.O.K. - I know I keep going on about it - but the drumming THROUGHOUT this piece is some of the best I've ever heard. If you released it as a separate track on it's own - I would go out and buy it. This bloke knows when to play - and when NOT to - a mystery unknown to many drummers (even top ones). The secret is: What's good for the piece? What suits Simone's vocals? AND NOT: What get's me more attention!
This is, by far, one of my favorite songs by Epica! Is there anywhere I can possibly buy the CD that has this song on it? Or a place to download it from? Dance of Fate and Insomnia are also good songs. And the Last Crusade. What songs does she sing that doesn't sound good?
The more I hear that fantastic drumming of Ariën's from 3.20- 3.54 behind Simone's beautiful voice, the more astounded I am. The sheer subtely of it. Go on listen to it now. The blokes a master Technician. But a technician with a heart ... and a soul (a rare combination - especially in a Metal Drummer)
ooooh - I 've just listened to that section from 3.06 to 2.55 and me' insides have gone all jellified again (shiver).
Simone what is the secret of your magic? One answer to that is of course the beautiful writing. Simone needs beautiful writing to bring out the best in her. And in my view that section is one of the best things they (or anybody else for that matter) has done (and its not short of competition!)
...Oh and those bloody drums that come in behind her at 3.24. Talk about Epic. Ariën van Weesenbeek you are a GENIUS (Watch his video on the making of the drums parts on 'Design Your Universe')
Yep - I've applied the tingle test. And its passed with flying colours - that masterful, dreamy Simone Soliloquy from 3.06 where she takes us into another world. Tingle Factor Seven ('Beam me up Scottie')
If they released this as a single from 3.06 - 3.57 and extended it to two and half minutes i would go out and buy it (well download it). I love the lazy way the drums come in in this section at. 3.35. It is PURE BRILLIANCE and It is this kind of clever, 'laid back' arrangement with sudden changes of rhythm that marks Epica out as truly outstanding and puts them heads and shoulders above all their rivals. However that doesnt mean they are consistently good. 'Cause they arn't.
This is one of those Epica Numbers where they have the 'Disneyland Seven Dwarfs' male/female choruses in it (1.10-1.58 & 2.31-3.04). No they're not my favourites ('cause they sound a bit naff). BUT again -I dont want them to stop doing them 'cause they make me laugh. Thing about Epica is -they parody themselves. Its one of things (besides Simone) that makes em unique and so entertaining.
Simone incidentally is sensational in this, ESPECIALLY FROM 3.06. (So is drums - his work rate is ferocious)
I don't have any problem with growling/grunting in Epica, the contrast of light and dark is what Epica is about, it's just that Mark Jansen isn't very good at it :p
@DrCornwallis That may be true of Metal Fan Base -but for rest of us-its numbers like Solitary Ground, Feint, Run for a Fall, Higher, Tides of Time that truly mark them out as world class. These numbers are not identifiable as Metal at all (nor Symphonic incidentally although have some orchestral input). To be honest I dont see a lot of darkness in Epica (sure they dealmwith some dark themes) - certainly not in manner of other Metal Bands. They dont take themselves too seriously (thankgoodness)
You know what? I prefer the album version. Without the grunts in the chorus, I kinda feel like this song is missing something. Besides, Epica isn't Epica without Mark's grunting and growling. I love the demonic/angelic contrast between Mark and Simone.
Great piece and thanks for posting. I have not heard the version with the grunts and growls but I have in Epica's other songs and the growling does detract from the music and why in the world would anyone want to detract from such a beautiful singing voice as that of Simone's. Listen to the great Viking metal band Amon Amarth if you want the grunts. The genre differences are subtle but distinct. Symphonic metal is a wonderful marriage of percussion, guitar, symphony and operatic vocals.
i don't get the meaning of this song but i'd thought i'd check it out becuse of the title "mother of light" and i have to say its likewise for epica to have another awesome song with sick drums
The constant moving around and manipulation of the same two pictures kind of pisses off my eyes when I'm trying to listen to the song... But other than that I fucking love Epica in every way. They're even more amazing in concert, so if you ever get the chance SEE THEM LIVE!
Stop to deify Simon Simons... I actually hate her because of all of you that think she is the best and so brillant... there are so many other like she and so better, and she is not the only one in Epica!
@NoGruntEpica You got it - great summary! However could we just have one number per set where Mark is allowed to grunt - (sorry asthmatically wheeze) - ONLY ONE HONEST - because it makes me (and Simone and Amanda etc) laugh?
Well, I don't think grunts have anything special to offer to this song. I didn't even notice jansen's absence in vocals the first time i heard this video! In my opinion ( and that's just my opinion ) jansen's grunts are not adding that much quality to epica. Anyway, a good song from a good band!
uhm, without those grunts epica would have been a ripoff of WT or NW, the grunts make Epica different and unique in their own way and thats why i like them the most (after Kamelot)
i dun have anything against WT or NW but the style of Epica is better, im not saying that the grunts define Epica, im saying that the grunts perfectionize the music of Epica in my opinion
i love screaming and grunts just as much as the next metalhead, but after hearing this, I agree. Epica sounds a ton better without the grunting. The singer's voice is too beautiful.
a total joke. I could argument for a while why those grunts exist, but prolly most of ppl still wouldn't understand the reason of their existence. I've talked about this subject with prolly 10 people before and every single of them got it and agreed with it, though.
have to say that go to listen Evanescene or some other mainstreamers if you dislike 'em too much. grunts are very essential part of Epica and it's what makes them special in their own way (contrast with Simone's voice)
well if you've talked to prolly 10 people before and they agreed then I'm sure that encompasses everyone then huh?
It's not a total joke. It's cool if you don't like this version. I'm not going to bash you for it, but don't bash people like me for liking this one better. It's just a preference.
well I admit I didn't make myself clear. sorry about that. I just mean that ppl who don't like grunts should understand why they are essential for many ppl. still ppl shouldn't like them if they dont. that's my point :) it's for the contrast what Mark is always talking about and and feeling what it gives to the song! :)
Yeah fair enough. And that's a good argument too. I just don't like the grunt in general and it's Mark's grunting that keeps me from just falling in love with Epica, as they are the songs where they don't do the grunt like Last Crusade are some of my favorite symphonic metal songs I've heard.
Agreed. Not everyone likes death metal grunting...ruins Epica for me in many ways. Lots of people like it--fine. Just too bad Epica's lovely music contains it, since a lot of other people will turn away, like me. Simone's voice is radiant, and being a classical cellist I appreciate the strings and soaring vocals. Then the death grunting comes in....yuck. Every grunter I've heard sounds exactly the same. Grunting and screaming are not singing, sorry. Not everyone's preference.
@SydBarker grunts are the thing what makes the band different from for example within temptation. it makes 'em less mainstream, seriously. and I don't mean this to be offensive to them because I like WT a lot, too.
i disagree as a fan of heavy and dark and goth metal alot include grunts if PROPERLY done they can be a hella skill. Problem is most do them wrong or off on the timing epicas are not the worst or best but i like having more then one version to enjoy!
@TearisShatteredMoon of course could, but grunts are there to stay. they want to keep their style because it separates them from other similar artists (whom are mostly mainstreamers).
I never said they werent or that i disliked them I am just saying there is more to the band then them and disliking an offical release is kinda silly.
Did I ever say they needed to go without grunts? I said I like them though he is not the best grunter out there its good its part of who they are but they themselves make songs without it its all parts of their style
@sparileidlon Not even close. Sound more like Nightwish than ever without the grunts. Simone Simons beats the living s**t out of Britney Spears. Not to mention that the band that plays for Britney Spears is about as talented as my left nut. Epica is great whether you like grunts or not.
I think the Grunt version is much better. It's a zenith song of gothic metal for me. guttural voice and mezzosoprano coloratura in duet, unique piece!
It's cool that there's both versions then huh? I can't stand the grunts, just in general, not just with Epica so this fits me much better. Simone is out of this world awesome.
I always liked this version way better, even though I generally don't have a problem with Mark's vocal stylings. This version should have been on the album, and the grunt version should've been on the single.
No, this is f**king great without grunts! Don't get me wrong, those grunts are not bad, it's just that they somewhat drown out Simone's kickass voice. Simone's voice is pure gold and should be preserved as much as possible ;)
Those Nightwish fans need to learn how to deal with change. I'm a Nightwish fan myself, they are the ones who got me into this kind of music but they are still great with Anette. And about Epica I love the contrast with the grunts but also like this version...as long as these bands don't make rap albums lol
about Nightwish: sorry to say it, I'm a real FAN of NW, but the stuff they do with Anette, i just can not stand it. (saw it live, paris 2008, believe me, exepted The Siren, she did pretty well, the reste was .. basic.)
about Epica: versions without grunting are 10x better :D
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Ths version is pure shit. The song loses all its power without the grunts.
If you'd prefer Epica without grunts, go listen to the "new" Within Temptation (or some other shit like this) and stop wanting the band to get rid of the essence of their music !
Chill out! If you didn't notice in the title, Epica officially released this version on one of their singles. They removed the grunts themselves! So, if you are going to rip into anyone, rip into Epica for providing us with an alternative version of their own material.
I know, I read the title. But it's not because this is an official version of the song that you didn't make "no grunt" versions on your own. I still don't get why you're listening to Epica if you don't like grunts.
I fell in love with Simone's awesome vocals, the bombastic and majestic orchestrations and chorus merging symphonic, power, progressive, and goth metal ... I actually listen to both versions ... but prefer to something more Simone centric than their contrasty light and dark essence. If you are a purist, listen to the original ... if not, this is simply an alternative ... nothing more.
@Talttua What, you can't listen to a band when 9/10 of it is awesome and 1/10 is hard to listen to? I'd love to see your logic applied to just about any other subject.
This isn't the best song to remove grunts, but is a nice alternate version.
In Divine Conspiracy are a lot of songs that will be great with an alternate no-grunt version, also without the heaviest part of some song (for example in chasing the dragon that have both)
Hi, just wanted to say that i love both of the versions of this song, it's an amazing song. second, i really loved to read what you (NoGruntEpica) wrote in the "more info" section. really intersting, it sounds like you have many things to say about their music. love to hear more.
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Ok! shit heads i know that this must be the band you have heard after the shit Evanescence. Grunts are badass and Epica would suck without them! Simone+orchestra+grunts= Epica. Tennisham you are a gay bitch. Fuk everyone who hate grunts!!!!
Huh, well, this is certainly different. I'd imagine it'd be a bit of a shock for people to hear this first, and then the one that was released on "Consign to Oblivion." It's kinda the same if you're used to the CtO version with the growls, because for me, the song sounds kinda hollow without them now. After listening to it a couple times though, after the shock has died away, I'd say it's a perfectly acceptable verison as well, although I personally prefer the CtO version of this song.
Personally, Simone's singing and the beautiful backing vocals are enough to make me tolerate the grunts (and Mark Jensen is pretty good at what he does). In some songs (Facade of Reality and Cry for the Moon, especially) the grunting is even growing on me. The grunting even adds a nice contrast, even if I don't particularly care for it.
Del minuto 3:07 al 3:54 la voz de Simone suena simplemente angelical <3
ale8014 4 months ago
Serenity is taking over all I am...
GothicWarrior94 5 months ago
The video is making me dizzy
WhiteRoseWithering96 7 months ago 4
Oh God - If only i'd had a drummer of that quality - things might have been SO different.
... OK - there is the little matter of the vocalist as well .... errr who is it - mmmm - the name escapes me ..... (scratching head). ...
jezkn 7 months ago
i like the grunt version because it provides a good contrast. Mark's voice sounds good with Simone's.
AgentSapphire 8 months ago 7
Beste band ooit.
6disturbed6Smile6 8 months ago
@6disturbed6Smile6 egt wel
quadjeffrey 5 months ago
.O.K. - I know I keep going on about it - but the drumming THROUGHOUT this piece is some of the best I've ever heard. If you released it as a separate track on it's own - I would go out and buy it. This bloke knows when to play - and when NOT to - a mystery unknown to many drummers (even top ones). The secret is: What's good for the piece? What suits Simone's vocals? AND NOT: What get's me more attention!
jezkn 9 months ago
This is, by far, one of my favorite songs by Epica! Is there anywhere I can possibly buy the CD that has this song on it? Or a place to download it from? Dance of Fate and Insomnia are also good songs. And the Last Crusade. What songs does she sing that doesn't sound good?
Cidean 9 months ago 5
@Cidean This official No Grunt Version of an Epica masterpiece was released on the Solitary Ground Single CD as a previously unreleased track.
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wvdkoelen 9 months ago
The more I hear that fantastic drumming of Ariën's from 3.20- 3.54 behind Simone's beautiful voice, the more astounded I am. The sheer subtely of it. Go on listen to it now. The blokes a master Technician. But a technician with a heart ... and a soul (a rare combination - especially in a Metal Drummer)
jezkn 9 months ago
ooooh - I 've just listened to that section from 3.06 to 2.55 and me' insides have gone all jellified again (shiver).
Simone what is the secret of your magic? One answer to that is of course the beautiful writing. Simone needs beautiful writing to bring out the best in her. And in my view that section is one of the best things they (or anybody else for that matter) has done (and its not short of competition!)
jezkn 10 months ago
Orgasmic! \m/
StraytRayzorSymphony 10 months ago
Otro buen tema de epica
Lilithnights 11 months ago
I just got all of the albums and this band deserves mors recognition just epic
rob4109 1 year ago
@rob4109 I've been looking everywhere for this album, where did you get it?
DanielAuthor22 11 months ago
you're voice brings angels in love
kgc361 1 year ago
I didn't know Epica at all, but I must acknowledge I am fan! A splendid mix between symphonic, voice lyrics and metal...
The whole is well to proportion, without to give to not initiated the desire for for passing to another thing
StigmateB 1 year ago
I like the grunts!
808thampire 1 year ago 5
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fallingwater 1 year ago
...Oh and those bloody drums that come in behind her at 3.24. Talk about Epic. Ariën van Weesenbeek you are a GENIUS (Watch his video on the making of the drums parts on 'Design Your Universe')
jezkn 1 year ago
Yep - I've applied the tingle test. And its passed with flying colours - that masterful, dreamy Simone Soliloquy from 3.06 where she takes us into another world. Tingle Factor Seven ('Beam me up Scottie')
jezkn 1 year ago
ok yes, my wife would love this one... you pussy fuckers
pauhell 1 year ago
@pauhell Leave the Cat out of it. Poor thing
jezkn 1 year ago
If they released this as a single from 3.06 - 3.57 and extended it to two and half minutes i would go out and buy it (well download it). I love the lazy way the drums come in in this section at. 3.35. It is PURE BRILLIANCE and It is this kind of clever, 'laid back' arrangement with sudden changes of rhythm that marks Epica out as truly outstanding and puts them heads and shoulders above all their rivals. However that doesnt mean they are consistently good. 'Cause they arn't.
jezkn 1 year ago
everybody gonna love u in brasil i promise you
Inha2012 1 year ago
everybody is gonna love u in brazil i primise
Inha2012 1 year ago
This is one of those Epica Numbers where they have the 'Disneyland Seven Dwarfs' male/female choruses in it (1.10-1.58 & 2.31-3.04). No they're not my favourites ('cause they sound a bit naff). BUT again -I dont want them to stop doing them 'cause they make me laugh. Thing about Epica is -they parody themselves. Its one of things (besides Simone) that makes em unique and so entertaining.
Simone incidentally is sensational in this, ESPECIALLY FROM 3.06. (So is drums - his work rate is ferocious)
jezkn 1 year ago
I don't have any problem with growling/grunting in Epica, the contrast of light and dark is what Epica is about, it's just that Mark Jansen isn't very good at it :p
DrCornwallis100 1 year ago
@DrCornwallis That may be true of Metal Fan Base -but for rest of us-its numbers like Solitary Ground, Feint, Run for a Fall, Higher, Tides of Time that truly mark them out as world class. These numbers are not identifiable as Metal at all (nor Symphonic incidentally although have some orchestral input). To be honest I dont see a lot of darkness in Epica (sure they dealmwith some dark themes) - certainly not in manner of other Metal Bands. They dont take themselves too seriously (thankgoodness)
jezkn 1 year ago
You know what? I prefer the album version. Without the grunts in the chorus, I kinda feel like this song is missing something. Besides, Epica isn't Epica without Mark's grunting and growling. I love the demonic/angelic contrast between Mark and Simone.
pmanderson 1 year ago
Great piece and thanks for posting. I have not heard the version with the grunts and growls but I have in Epica's other songs and the growling does detract from the music and why in the world would anyone want to detract from such a beautiful singing voice as that of Simone's. Listen to the great Viking metal band Amon Amarth if you want the grunts. The genre differences are subtle but distinct. Symphonic metal is a wonderful marriage of percussion, guitar, symphony and operatic vocals.
dapsapsrp 1 year ago 3
i don't get the meaning of this song but i'd thought i'd check it out becuse of the title "mother of light" and i have to say its likewise for epica to have another awesome song with sick drums
kennsie8 1 year ago
i actually love the grunts. it adds the metal to symphonic metal! go Simone and Marc!!!
LSKB101 1 year ago
@LSKB101 lol, it's Mark, not Marc
xoxILoveCatsxox 1 year ago
The constant moving around and manipulation of the same two pictures kind of pisses off my eyes when I'm trying to listen to the song... But other than that I fucking love Epica in every way. They're even more amazing in concert, so if you ever get the chance SEE THEM LIVE!
saintanger12 1 year ago 2
great song with or without grunts.
the choir parts are fabulous as in all epica songs
Algernon483 1 year ago 3
I like the "grunt" version better. It's what gives it its raw beauty.
mayoarm11 1 year ago
love the drums on this
masterchaoss 1 year ago
I love both versions of this song
MagicBlubber 1 year ago
Why does it seem that every video seems to have a Tarja vs. Anette debate?
Killer song by the way.
BurningMeUpInside 1 year ago
great song
dvlCerberuz 1 year ago
this is awsome
quake533 1 year ago
Pinkpop 10 ..... i`m coming! :)
HendriX0815 1 year ago
This is more classical, I like it
k88098 1 year ago
Stop to deify Simon Simons... I actually hate her because of all of you that think she is the best and so brillant... there are so many other like she and so better, and she is not the only one in Epica!
karimds 1 year ago
Antepenultimo parrafo
Anglrms 1 year ago
GENIAL!!!!!!!!!!
blackdsteph 1 year ago
Arh... This version was lame... The original is better.
Freakyfish42 1 year ago
fucking awesome!!
gonzalojudovm 2 years ago
Epica and Simone are great!
with or without grunts :D
Some1Nameless 2 years ago 2
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Some1Nameless 2 years ago
What separates Epica from other symphonic bands is Simone's beautiful voice and excellent writing by the band.
NoGruntEpica 2 years ago 44
@NoGruntEpica well the writting is weak comparing with Nightwish or Within Temptation
overloadgr 1 year ago
@overloadgr
Any song in The Phantom Agony is better written than any song that Within Temptation had ever written. But you are right about Nightwish.
reafras 1 year ago
@NoGruntEpica That's like saying what separates a good band from a bad band is the good band is good :p
Good vocals and music are pretty much the only elements which you judge a band off of
mayoarm11 1 year ago
@NoGruntEpica Well said matey.
Scroopulous 1 year ago
@NoGruntEpica You got it - great summary! However could we just have one number per set where Mark is allowed to grunt - (sorry asthmatically wheeze) - ONLY ONE HONEST - because it makes me (and Simone and Amanda etc) laugh?
jezkn 1 year ago
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jezkn 1 year ago
@NoGruntEpica plus the unique instrumental tunes in epica u can knw an epica song directly frm the begining of their song by just hearing the intro
HellFire2034 4 months ago
basically youre saying epica is nothing more than NW with grunts?
bullshit.
sh33p0fd00m 2 years ago 3
Well, I don't think grunts have anything special to offer to this song. I didn't even notice jansen's absence in vocals the first time i heard this video! In my opinion ( and that's just my opinion ) jansen's grunts are not adding that much quality to epica. Anyway, a good song from a good band!
7eustace 2 years ago 2
uhm, without those grunts epica would have been a ripoff of WT or NW, the grunts make Epica different and unique in their own way and thats why i like them the most (after Kamelot)
i dun have anything against WT or NW but the style of Epica is better, im not saying that the grunts define Epica, im saying that the grunts perfectionize the music of Epica in my opinion
Kalimdor199 2 years ago
i love screaming and grunts just as much as the next metalhead, but after hearing this, I agree. Epica sounds a ton better without the grunting. The singer's voice is too beautiful.
castirontoaster 2 years ago 3
Could such great songs like the The Divine Conspiracy, Menace Of Vanity, and Consign To Oblivion, be the same without grunts?
zerobuu 2 years ago 2
How could you have this music and not have grunts in them?
zerobuu 2 years ago
a total joke. I could argument for a while why those grunts exist, but prolly most of ppl still wouldn't understand the reason of their existence. I've talked about this subject with prolly 10 people before and every single of them got it and agreed with it, though.
have to say that go to listen Evanescene or some other mainstreamers if you dislike 'em too much. grunts are very essential part of Epica and it's what makes them special in their own way (contrast with Simone's voice)
creativenick1 2 years ago
@creativenick1
well if you've talked to prolly 10 people before and they agreed then I'm sure that encompasses everyone then huh?
It's not a total joke. It's cool if you don't like this version. I'm not going to bash you for it, but don't bash people like me for liking this one better. It's just a preference.
RicoLen1 2 years ago
well I admit I didn't make myself clear. sorry about that. I just mean that ppl who don't like grunts should understand why they are essential for many ppl. still ppl shouldn't like them if they dont. that's my point :) it's for the contrast what Mark is always talking about and and feeling what it gives to the song! :)
creativenick1 2 years ago
Yeah fair enough. And that's a good argument too. I just don't like the grunt in general and it's Mark's grunting that keeps me from just falling in love with Epica, as they are the songs where they don't do the grunt like Last Crusade are some of my favorite symphonic metal songs I've heard.
RicoLen1 2 years ago
Agreed. Not everyone likes death metal grunting...ruins Epica for me in many ways. Lots of people like it--fine. Just too bad Epica's lovely music contains it, since a lot of other people will turn away, like me. Simone's voice is radiant, and being a classical cellist I appreciate the strings and soaring vocals. Then the death grunting comes in....yuck. Every grunter I've heard sounds exactly the same. Grunting and screaming are not singing, sorry. Not everyone's preference.
Gothb4goth 2 years ago
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SydBarker 2 years ago
Grunts suck, period.
That's the main reason why I'm not a big Epica fan. Otherwise, I would adore them.
It's frustrating, really.
I love Simone's voice and Epica's music is really good, but those grunts... damn, I can't stand them.
SydBarker 2 years ago 5
@SydBarker grunts are the thing what makes the band different from for example within temptation. it makes 'em less mainstream, seriously. and I don't mean this to be offensive to them because I like WT a lot, too.
creativenick1 2 years ago
@SydBarker Agreed, oh so much.
AdvocateToTheAccuser 2 years ago
i disagree as a fan of heavy and dark and goth metal alot include grunts if PROPERLY done they can be a hella skill. Problem is most do them wrong or off on the timing epicas are not the worst or best but i like having more then one version to enjoy!
TearisShatteredMoon 2 years ago
funny since they made this version themselves yes the grunts are good but simone could carry the band without them
TearisShatteredMoon 2 years ago 5
@TearisShatteredMoon of course could, but grunts are there to stay. they want to keep their style because it separates them from other similar artists (whom are mostly mainstreamers).
creativenick1 2 years ago
I never said they werent or that i disliked them I am just saying there is more to the band then them and disliking an offical release is kinda silly.
TearisShatteredMoon 2 years ago
Well, if they consider that more important than the fact that the grunts are just plain ugly and disturbing.
Well, at least to me, and a few other people. Unfortunately not to most people :P
Allard88 2 years ago 2
I don't think Epica would be able to keep on playing the same style if they were to loose the grunts, Could you image a gruntless Menace Of Vanity
zerobuu 2 years ago
Did I ever say they needed to go without grunts? I said I like them though he is not the best grunter out there its good its part of who they are but they themselves make songs without it its all parts of their style
TearisShatteredMoon 2 years ago
@zerobuu A gruntless Menace of Vanity would just be an epic FAIL.
AlexHartgrave 1 year ago
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sounds like britney spear without grunt
sparileidlon 2 years ago
@sparileidlon Not even close. Sound more like Nightwish than ever without the grunts. Simone Simons beats the living s**t out of Britney Spears. Not to mention that the band that plays for Britney Spears is about as talented as my left nut. Epica is great whether you like grunts or not.
RicoLen1 2 years ago 2
Ahah! I was joking, but actually i dont really like nightwish.
sparileidlon 2 years ago
Ah, that's better. The grunts are the only thing I don't like about Epica.
JoeAJ91 2 years ago
I think the Grunt version is much better. It's a zenith song of gothic metal for me. guttural voice and mezzosoprano coloratura in duet, unique piece!
alejonightwish 2 years ago 4
i like it better with grunts..
Omikron611 2 years ago 2
Agree with bodombodom123, without screams it's not the same. I like grunts in contrast to Simone's voice ^.^
SparklingLynn 2 years ago 2
It's cool that there's both versions then huh? I can't stand the grunts, just in general, not just with Epica so this fits me much better. Simone is out of this world awesome.
RicoLen1 2 years ago 2
OMG :O this is awesome <3
VanillaPink13 2 years ago
ik vind het filmpje beetje spacend :P
Viiee666 2 years ago
I always liked this version way better, even though I generally don't have a problem with Mark's vocal stylings. This version should have been on the album, and the grunt version should've been on the single.
skullvomit666 2 years ago 19
upss!!!
i did not notice that this song was without grunts until i read the comments!!..........lol
i like both of the versions ^_^
they are really awesome
SairenKisaki 2 years ago
Yay!
I don't like grunts at all, so this is great! :)
Allard88 2 years ago 3
Ditto!
DollarZXZ 2 years ago
aguante epica
rinengan666 2 years ago
excelent song, crazy drums and voice!
880728leonjf 2 years ago
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Codarik 2 years ago
Stil nice, but without grunts it's kind of... incomplete
bodombodom123 2 years ago 5
No, this is f**king great without grunts! Don't get me wrong, those grunts are not bad, it's just that they somewhat drown out Simone's kickass voice. Simone's voice is pure gold and should be preserved as much as possible ;)
JumpingJack79 2 years ago 45
im not a fan of grunts or death meatal screams but i prefer the original.its much better
TheAlienskum 2 years ago
I simply like them so much! I had the chance to see Epica @ Gods of Metal few days ago and now I'm in peace
bryandavidson19 2 years ago
nah.. I prefer the version ith grunts
Beast197804 2 years ago
suena rara.... jejejeje... como tambien suene Living a lie de The classical Conspiracy... Solo Simone
feuerseele 2 years ago
Epica is one of the few bands where I enjoy grunts. I sort of prefer the original. Hadn't heard this one though. Thanks.
arbyjones 2 years ago
Hmm, I like the grunts better. I think the contrast between the two voices sounds nice, kinds like how black contrasts white.
saphirekosmos 3 years ago 3
does this happen with most metal bands? some never ending controversy? grunt, no grunt, tarja or anette, blah blah blah
GothicGrey 3 years ago 4
@GothicGrey
Unfortunately, yes. Almost every band has some sort of ''controversy'' among the fans....
TwilightAronXD 3 years ago
@GotchicGrey and @TwilightAronXD
yeah but be glad it's only grunt or no grunt, and not Tarja or Anette ^^
xxcloudedtigerxx 2 years ago 6
Those Nightwish fans need to learn how to deal with change. I'm a Nightwish fan myself, they are the ones who got me into this kind of music but they are still great with Anette. And about Epica I love the contrast with the grunts but also like this version...as long as these bands don't make rap albums lol
T041993 2 years ago 4
about Nightwish: sorry to say it, I'm a real FAN of NW, but the stuff they do with Anette, i just can not stand it. (saw it live, paris 2008, believe me, exepted The Siren, she did pretty well, the reste was .. basic.)
about Epica: versions without grunting are 10x better :D
SuxxCss 2 years ago
@SuxxCss I don't think Anette should sing the old songs either lol, thank god she never sung Swanheart
T041993 2 years ago
Well wouldn't the comments be quite boring without some controversy? ;-)
Tarja > Anette, + grunting > - grunting...
FemaleUnknownUser 2 years ago
I like the grunt version better... they kick more ass then this version... but this is of course good too!
MorbidPrincess556 3 years ago
m suena MAZO de rara asi
m encanta los gruñidos
viva mark jansen
DarckCloud44 3 years ago
Much better without grunts I think
icefangs15 3 years ago 7
This song is perfect any way....but I like the grunts, it gives a little extra...
Adjanian 3 years ago 6
awesome. there songs are good. but sometimes i just wanna hear just clean vocals
roytboga 3 years ago 10
I think this is better
ThelwEnaFiga 3 years ago 3
I think that all Epica's songs are masterpieces WITH the grunts
Algernon483 3 years ago 2
it's a very cool song. with or without grunts :-)
so it's nice
nighthawk82 3 years ago 5
i'm only prefer this song and never enough with grunts
soyelfeno 3 years ago
I like the version with grunts more... <3
Sfacteria 3 years ago 2
I personally like it with the grunts more.
iLikeSandwiches07 3 years ago 3
Prefer the song with grunts, but this is fine too.
dreamthief92 3 years ago
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Ths version is pure shit. The song loses all its power without the grunts.
If you'd prefer Epica without grunts, go listen to the "new" Within Temptation (or some other shit like this) and stop wanting the band to get rid of the essence of their music !
Talttua 3 years ago
Chill out! If you didn't notice in the title, Epica officially released this version on one of their singles. They removed the grunts themselves! So, if you are going to rip into anyone, rip into Epica for providing us with an alternative version of their own material.
NoGruntEpica 3 years ago 12
I know, I read the title. But it's not because this is an official version of the song that you didn't make "no grunt" versions on your own. I still don't get why you're listening to Epica if you don't like grunts.
Talttua 3 years ago
I fell in love with Simone's awesome vocals, the bombastic and majestic orchestrations and chorus merging symphonic, power, progressive, and goth metal ... I actually listen to both versions ... but prefer to something more Simone centric than their contrasty light and dark essence. If you are a purist, listen to the original ... if not, this is simply an alternative ... nothing more.
NoGruntEpica 3 years ago 6
i agree ballads are as much rock as headbanging and i like having options thanks for the post
TearisShatteredMoon 3 years ago 3
kill yourself
alsophocus 3 years ago
@Talttua What, you can't listen to a band when 9/10 of it is awesome and 1/10 is hard to listen to? I'd love to see your logic applied to just about any other subject.
DKF295 1 year ago
totally agree with you
CordOfTheRings 3 years ago
amazing chorus!!!!!!!!!!!!
madguydrummer666 3 years ago
This isn't the best song to remove grunts, but is a nice alternate version.
In Divine Conspiracy are a lot of songs that will be great with an alternate no-grunt version, also without the heaviest part of some song (for example in chasing the dragon that have both)
NicoTorresCBA 3 years ago
i love to epica
aeternus2566 3 years ago
Simone is beautiful, the music is great, Epica rules!
DarkMoor99 3 years ago
I don't usually like grunts, but this song just sounds incomplete without them.
NoobixCube 3 years ago
i agree
kec228 3 years ago
Beautiful song....
elbujarron 3 years ago
EPICA SINCE DAY 1
RaphieRio 3 years ago
Meh. I prefer the version WITH the grunts.
SotiCoto 3 years ago 6
EPICA FOR THE LIFE
bleidard 3 years ago
Great work. Now, go do the rest of their songs. Thanks so much.
TheDeathWatcher 3 years ago
Wonderful song
LimitGlove 3 years ago 2
Hi, just wanted to say that i love both of the versions of this song, it's an amazing song. second, i really loved to read what you (NoGruntEpica) wrote in the "more info" section. really intersting, it sounds like you have many things to say about their music. love to hear more.
aurawish 3 years ago
Too good song lol :)
swords0 3 years ago
it's interesting to hear the song without grunts. both of them are really good, i love it!
TheDarkCrusade 3 years ago 2
Cool!!! Beatiful songs and singer:D
The best EPICA!!!
medalion212 3 years ago 3
In the Opera Festival the grunt parts should be sung by a tenor. That would be great.
LadyCarlota 3 years ago 5
yes^^
but i also like sensorium,fools of damnation,feint,run for a fall,etc!!
blackhoumor 4 years ago
epica ruuuulz!
blackhoumor 4 years ago 3
como q esta muy pobre la fotografia ehhh!!!!
rockie36 4 years ago 3
o a la otra pones mas fotos ps
anticona1 4 years ago 2
epica.... nice group, nice music a bit original exelent vocals.
P/S IRON MAIDEN ROCKS (I know it doesn't have to do with anything but they're best band ever)
UP THE IRONS
JMOJoker 4 years ago 3
Good call NoGruntEpica, with the "Let the controcersy begin..."
AnonymousWins 4 years ago
also it would be cooler to place a clear male voice on the part for grunt^^ not delete because it destroy the song if something missing :(
yamiimax 4 years ago
That could work. Personally, I've listened to this song so much that hearing just any diffen't variation is a nice touch.
AnonymousWins 4 years ago
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Ok! shit heads i know that this must be the band you have heard after the shit Evanescence. Grunts are badass and Epica would suck without them! Simone+orchestra+grunts= Epica. Tennisham you are a gay bitch. Fuk everyone who hate grunts!!!!
frankdakilla 4 years ago
this is Epica 's best song.
terminlatorre 4 years ago
this and "quietus" :)
MaIeshna 4 years ago
CABRON TE VOY A COMPRAR MAS FOTOS....
yoyordy 4 years ago
I would love to see an album of Epica without grunts. I love metal but I hate grunts and I know taht's really complicated. Love Simone!!!
tennisham 4 years ago 4
i prefer Grunt Version ^^
but its ok :]
sahmael777 4 years ago
Huh, well, this is certainly different. I'd imagine it'd be a bit of a shock for people to hear this first, and then the one that was released on "Consign to Oblivion." It's kinda the same if you're used to the CtO version with the growls, because for me, the song sounds kinda hollow without them now. After listening to it a couple times though, after the shock has died away, I'd say it's a perfectly acceptable verison as well, although I personally prefer the CtO version of this song.
darthy0da 4 years ago
Personally, Simone's singing and the beautiful backing vocals are enough to make me tolerate the grunts (and Mark Jensen is pretty good at what he does). In some songs (Facade of Reality and Cry for the Moon, especially) the grunting is even growing on me. The grunting even adds a nice contrast, even if I don't particularly care for it.
RichardMV 4 years ago 4
growls/grunts suck anyway lol
jelence82 4 years ago