Full Fifths Tuning on Guitar (ES335 "jazzCittern")

[ButtsexV2]

what strings are you using? I broke an .11 trying to tune to this last night. the rest of the strings are fine. I thought it would be light enough since I normally get away with .16s in standard on this guitar.

[MrArtEffete]

What gauges are you using?

[dodecapusrex]

FCgdae is the mandolin pattern, but I like the sound from GDaebf# better. Is FCgdae easier for other players? I've been at this for a couple of months & what I'm finding is that there's a whole new repertoire with touch/tap, so you get a bit of Trey Gunn &/or Robert Fripp, and a wee bit of Stanley Jordan even if all you've got is just six thumbs.

[VadiaRotor]

wanna try FCGDAEB tuning?

[beranbr]

Why do people consider this the "New Standard Tuning" when this is a very old way of tuning? This is basically a mandcello and an octave mandolin combined. I only play instruments tunned in 5th, started on the mandolin and mandola and then went to the mandocello. Chords are not really that tough, you can basically get a mandolin chord book to learn chord formations.

[StrongHeartLives]

@beranbr "If you want a new idea, look in a very old book" - quoted from Harry Truman probably taken from an old book...lol

[grov6land]

Hey lazur1... In spite of the tuning being way different, stuff pretty much comes out sounding the same. Fortunately for me, the old habits translated pretty well. 

[lazur1]

@grov6land Do you gig? You're the most advanced anonymous player I've heard.

[lazur1]

You're playing some heavy lines. Did the tuning lead you into this style, or did you already play somewhat this way?

[geiroffenberg]

dont you trade away close chordings with this. I guess you cant even do a standard 1,3,5 chord with out some serious strech action. wouldt it be better to have most of the strings tuned to fiths, but leave one or two closer gaps at the top, like cgdade or cgdgbe or cgdgbd (my favourite now) pr evenm nst. im all for uniform tuning systems, but with six strings you can add a ununiform string or two for more possibilities.

[UncleTito72]

@geiroffenberg You have more range with AFT, but to play scales in one position you have to do 4 notes per string, otherwise you move toward the nut while going up the scale. In small instruments like the violin 4 notes per string is not a problem, but it is for the guitar. The cello should be tuned in 4ths, but because it's related to the violin it is tuned in 5ths. Try doing extended arpeggios in AFT. The notes are just too spread out. It's hard to do anything more than simple 1-3-5 sweeps.

[dodecapusrex]

@UncleTito72 Tap/touch method solves this.

[dodecapusrex]

@geiroffenberg The thirds become inverted ones (1-5-10). I don't miss the non-inverted thirds, it's a good trade. Fripp also did non-uniform P5, I believe he left his highest string at c (FCgdac instead of FCgdae). 

[myear23]

I still prefer NST for the expanded chord shapes possible with the high G string. Gives a bit more versatility while still being out of the way and not throwing off all the linearity.

[grov6land]

That's a good question. Octave4Plus makes strings for extended ranges. (No Financial Interest.) They make .006 strings from an alloy that can hold up. There are considerations: You can't do a bend of more than a half step on the B string. Also, it takes an hour or two to string one up, so live, you'll want to have a few guitars on hand, or be ready to go to NST.

But I had the one in this video on for over 9 months, I believe... they do last a long time.

[CorvetteCoonass]

What string gauges do you use? I want to know how the hell that high B is not snapping. :P

[crimsonisms84]

the chords and scales are pretty easy to work out,instead of 4ths you just expand the chords outwards a whole step each string,most chords are pretty tricky so you have to change the shapes accordingly but you get the advantage of being able to reach some of the more exotic chords with alot more ease,if u want standard tuning chords use standard tuning,if u want to experiment then this is the way to go! i now play mostly in new standard/pentatonic major/c major whatever u might call it tuning :)

[dodecapusrex]

@crimsonisms84 Exactly my thinking ...

[crimsonisms84]

i understand the benifits,i understand that it makes sight reading alot easier! and yes the scales are symetrical,but are people really going to be crazy enough to tune the high e to the full 5th up thats required without risking there health? i use nst and i get scared every time i tune up a measily minor 3rd from standard...and quite rightly so! iv had many a high string go twang on me! but thats just madness,makes sense though!

[skatingasian13]

@crimsonisms84 haha I can understand your concerns 5 whole steps does seem a little bit too much of tension on the neck and the .9 mm string itself. This tuning does seem like a bit fun to play just be like playing any instrument in orchestra really, it'd make me have to rethink all my chords though haha

[dodecapusrex]

@skatingasian13 Actually the P5 tuning alleviates tension on the neck, unless you tuned upward...

[dodecapusrex]

@crimsonisms84 Ooops. I see, he's tuning Cgdaeb ... I'm using Fripp's (and others) Mandola/Mandocello FCgdae or GDaebf# (note the overlapping interval pattern wrap... interesting).