Will someone please tell me which Cirque du Soleil show is this? I've seen every of them shows since they premiered in 1985 and I do not believe I've seen this...The only things missing are the acrobat performers----WOW!!!
I recently decided to explore the Catholic faith after years of atheism. I was looking for a connection to tradition, authenticity, etc. It makes me sad to realize that the catholic church isn't what i thought it was. I can tell you that I'm not alone. People are hungry for authenticity and tradition. I want an antidote to the crappy modern world, not a sad compromise with it.
You need to look into the Tridentine mass which is being kept alive by groups such as SSPX (Society of Saint Pius X) and CRMI, and others. Tradition lives! And Grows!
@s2srea , though i condemn this most horrendous sacrilege, the SSPX are not to be followed. Tradition tells us to unite with the Bishop of Rome which they dont. what saint in Heaven would support the SSPX. name just one.. who despite a validly elected Pope, wouls till declare sede vacante and not follow the pope
Thank you aarespo! Tradition also tells us when a bishop or pope falls outside the circle of Tradition, the also fall outside the protection of the Church, and are not to be followed. Not to mention, the SSPX are not sedevecantist, nor have they ever been.
To answer your question (what saint in heaven would support SSPX): Saint Pius V, X, Aquinas, Bellarmine, Tomas a Canterbury- all defenders of the Church and Tradition!
Now, what saint would go along with a protestantized Rite?
yes but only to the degree which the move from tradition, i for example was utterly displeased with the late popes kissing of the koran. but those are human errors and popes have always made human errors from Peter onwards. When Peter caved in to the circumcision party, Paul objected openly but Peter was still the Pope, Paul did not break communion with Peter, note also that Peter's cowardice there was a personal un-dogmatic action in which Popes can err...
continued.. it is only when the Pope make a 'solemn' heretical definition on some matter that he ceases to become Pope and that has Never happened(unless you can cite instances of when heresy was proclaimed in a DOGMATIC manner). I now ask you that if Peter refused to change would Paul have founded his own sect? the pope makes alot of mistakes, but none of these except the one mentioned above can deny him of the office of Pope
Habemus Papam! you note that the SSPX are not sedevacantist, so there is a Pope then? so Peter is alive, weak as usual, and infallible in dogmatic pronunciations as usual; yet you are not united to him. any block not united to the foundation is another building, the SSPX by breaking communion with Rome has broken from the Holy Catholic Church. this is serious, there has always been instances where some group of faithful disagree with the Pope until infallible dogmatic pronunciations were made..
till then these groups tolerated the weakness of the Pope and prayed for him. if the Pope said something in an un-solemn way, I may still say its wrong ..yet must unite with him, for example, I think the ecumenism approach is very faulty..it is only when the Pope Solemnly proclaims heresy like if he dogmatically defines the Gospel of Luke to be invalid, then I would remove my allegiance (and the Holy Spirit makes it impossible for him to do that).. well its a bit too much my comments
Agreed! Which is why I am not a sedevecantist! I do not believe the seat of Peter to be vacant. I do not equate the pope to God, as I believe sede's do. I believe he can error, and we must pray for him.
To your question: I don't think Paul/Peter would have created separate sects, no. However, as I'd just mentioned above, we're dealing with a completely different situation. Its undeniable that the teachings of Vatican II have many Protestantized teachings.
While the popes kissing of the Koran was also embarrassing to myself as well, I do believe the errors are much more grave than kissing a book which calls all believers in the Trinity excrement.
No Paul did not break communion with Peter, however, Peter never created nor supported an entirely non-Catholic Rite, as the new Pope have.
Epieikeia supports those priests in the trad movement who are giving what the current clergy are failing to provide
@bawright462 I was raised Catholic, and became disturbed by the Church's inconsistency in changing the mass at will. I too sought authenticity and an unchanging worship rooted in real tradition. After several years examining other denominations while remaining a Catholic in theory, I was drawn to Orthodoxy. After a year of deep prayer and study, I was received into the Orthodox Church in America on December 4 in Washington DC. With humility, I would direct you to oca.org. May God guide you!
I believe this is not even a consecrated church. This is the work of the Devil.
Were is the ceremonius Mass? This priest must be fired for the fact that he has raped the Holy Mass. THIS IS NOT CATHOLIC, would you not like the NORMAL CATHOLIC MASS (how it should be)!!!! Then go to a protestant church! Shame to al the people who are there!
This is like a Pentecostal or a liberal Protestant liturgy, even the songs are the same. Are you sure this is not Episcopalian? If its Roman Catholic this Priest is like Antiochus Epiphanes the desolator of the Holy Temple.
It looks like the girl dancing in front of the puppets ran away from a psychatric institute or something and the puppets is her imagenary friends. Whats the meaning with this anyway? Who are this nightmarish giant puppets supposed to be? Demons?
@jedi1991 Detraction is also a sin. Be cautious of what you say about a priest---disobedient or not, he is still a priest, and Christ Himself will deal with him.
What I think is very important to point out is the age of almost all of the participants in this "liturgy". They are all older people, most young Catholics who haven't fallen by the wayside will be at a much more liturgically correct Mass. Especially with this growing trend in traditionalism where the pews in traditional parishes are filled with the young. I see it in my home parish.
The good thing is that most of these retarded heretics are drop dead old. Time will take care of this garbage in another 5 or 10 years. Call to Action should be renamed Called to Retardation.
@nianoniano1 When a lie becomes the truth, then it is case for great worry, this is why the world is what it is because people like you think, "oh that's medieval" well you know something nothing has changed since the middle ages except for clothes and scientific theories, rather we have regressed in everything else. The more things change the more they stay the same.
This is not even Catholic Hahahah. They can call themselves Catholics but there a bunch of liturgical abusers to Christ. Our Lord would be crying. These people who creatue such evil only think about themselves not about Jesus. This is a self centred liturgy No Love for Christ here only the Love for the individual with silly dancing and puppits HAHAHA. This reminds me of some masonic worship session Hahahaha
you Protestants are lost people and you fools doing this crazy Mass are heretics and heresy is a grave sin.....Get a Life and Stop bother Jesus with you invalid Masses and go to a real Mass with the real Jesus, and btw only the priest is supose to say the words of consecration not the whole damn church! I pray for you lost people and pray that God has much Mercy on you Heretics!
and BTW its "May God Bless you in the name of the FATHER and THE SON, and THE HOLY SPIRIT!!!!!! fools!
@Catholic00012 I agree that what takes place in this video is ridiculousness, but please realize that the prejudices contained in this comment are very unchristian and counter-constructive. It is a greater sin to fail to love people than to fail to celebrate a perfect liturgy. Remember that Jesus instituted the Eucharistic liturgy for the people, not the people for the liturgy. Love God first, people second, liturgy third. Peace.
@tsennett9 No I'm sorry I see no prejudices here, only facts and LOVE is what I have for these PEOPLE but HATE is what I have for their mockery of the Holy Mass, like its said love the sinner and hate the sin, well there you go the same situtation here! don't let your love for people stop you from defending whats right, Jesus did remember he got really mad and flipped tables because people were selling things in his Fathers house! I defend whats right and love at the sametime, my friend
@tsennett9 That's right: hate the sin, love the sinner. While you're praying for them, please pray for me too; because even though the Lord has given me the grace to recognize authentic from unauthentic Christian worship, I still do not love the Mass and humbly receive Jesus in the Eucharist as much as I should. It's a terrible fault of mine. Thanks, man.
Hey! This was probably the fruit of some hard planning and discussing between some experienced and professional liturgists! ......who obviously don't have a clue about the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.
This mocks Our Lord. This is not worship. This is no different from a protestant mega church service.
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@orthodox33 Their service looks like it was put together by brain dead aging hippies aka idiots. If you think I'm a real Bishop, I've got some news for you. I hope you don't go to this church. Don't drink the punch!
The only time dancing of any sort should be used in Mass is if it is a cultural norm...and I highly doubt it is there. and WTH are those big headed things????
@orthodox33 enter "Litergical Dance and Cardinal Arinze" into the search bar. Listen to Cardinal Arinze, Prefect for the Congregation of Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments. He says it best.
@orthodox33 And yes, we all should worship the one true God in some personal way, BUT when someone starts to poke fun at the Mass which is not only a DIRECT connection to all Christians throughout the world and throughout time, but is by far the most Holy of sacrifices and the most Holiest of times in this chaotic world (Because Christ himself Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity are made present in the "here and now"), not only Catholics but also ALL Christians should be upset.
@CatholicsRock1 I would like to say this and to all the other haters out there, they are Giving it a Go, they are celebrating the Lord Jesus and to them its certainly not a funeral Good On them, Now my friend the Mass isn't a sacrifice thats an insult to the Cross of calvary the "Once and For all sacrifice" I peter 3:18 Christ also has once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: the mass Amen
Catholics Rock the Mass is a sacrifice of Praise and Thanksgiving and Spiritual Anamenisis bringing about the reality that it represents Jesus Christ was Crucified before the foundations of the World Rev 13:8 its a Bloodless sacrifice the Mass is a Spiritual meal we tap into the reality of Calvary.
@orthodox33 Yes Christ did die once and for all -Amen. But the Mass is a continuation of that sacrifice, that's why you might hear the phrase "The Holy Sacrifice of the Mass", it is the same sacrifice made at Calvary re offered to God the Father through the Eucharist so that we, in this generation may take part in it. And apart from the physical sacrifice of Christ's body, blood, soul, and divinity, when we comsume the one true Lamb of God just as it says to do in 1 Cor. 5:7
@orthodox33 In 1 Cor. 5:7 St. Paul tells us that the Lamb (Christ) has been sacrificed, but what do we do now?? this is where many Protestants say we must now accept him, but that's it. In ancient Jewish sacrifices the Lamb that was sacrificed had to be eaten so we have the Eucharistic meal where we consume the body, blood, soul and divinity of Christ. That is why the Mass is so sacred. No we do not RE-SACRIFICE over and over and over again, we partake in the one true sacrifice of Calvary. We
@orthodox33 also recive the Eucharist for the forgiveness of Venial Sins. and if you say that no we do not need the Eucharist to be healed from that sin, then you are saying that we do not need Christ to be forgiven. Riciving the Eucharist in Venial sin is a physical and spiritual sign that we have turned away from sin and back to God the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. And that's why we also have the Sacrament of Penance, because we receive the forgiving grace of God through the words of
@orthodox33 Absolution said by the priest. But in the Eucharist we are put into the presence of God, and by receiving him in the Eucharist we accept and realize that he is now a part of our daily lives, in every way. no where in Catholic teaching does it say that the Mass is another sacrifice, it is the same, carried out in our daily lives, in our very midst.
And to call people "Haters" for sticking up for the dignity of the Mass is just outright immature. avoid the Ad Hominem attacks, sir.
@orthodox33 And I'm guessing that you are not Catholic? maybe? Kinda? well my last remark will be this: lets not forget NO Christian Denomination could exist without the Catholic Church because up until the 16th century there we not any other Christian Denominations. if the Catholic or the "Universal" Church as the word catholic literally means, had not put together the Bible as we know it today, you would not have been able to use that citation that you just used. Yes, God is the Divine author
@orthodox33 but if it was left at that the books that make up the Bible would be left scattered and soon forgotten, of course we would still have the Torah. But the Catholic Church was the one that sat down and put the Gospels and the rest of the New Testament together. And since we are universal, I beg you to please step into a Catholic Church or read our Catechism. It is time for all Christians to come home. And if you believe none of what I just said, please do some research.
@CatholicsRock1 Its a a bloodless sacrificehe Catholic Church does not teach that the Mass is a re-crucifixion of Christ, die again in the Mass.he Catholic Church specifically says Christ does not die again—his death is once for all. be something else if the Church were to claim he does die again, but it doesn’t make that claim.
@CatholicsRock1hrough his intercessory ministry in heaven and through the Mass, Jesus continues to offer himself to his Father as a living sacrifice, and he does so in what the Church specifically states is "an unbloody manner"does not involve a new crucifixion.
I can't help but notice that there is no one under 50 in the congregation. Fortunately young catholics are returning to more conservative catholic parishes and priestly orders.
@triczka I'M SURE YOU DO, ESPECIALLY DOING ALL THOSE AEROBICS IN FRONT OF THE ICONS AND INHALING INCNESE. GOTTA LOVE THOSE LONG MEANINGLESS RITUALS......LORD HAVE MERCY 40X? REALLY?
@NativeNewYorkGuy Aerobics in front of the icons? You mean standing versus just sitting there?
Also, the ritual is meaningless of course if you're the kinda guy who's 13 and uses all caps and doesn't know what the hell he's talking about. I'm honestly surprised you've even been to a Byzantine Liturgy since, well, you don't strike me as the cultured type.
Ok. Are you also defending the content of this video? Are you daring a come-back and honest-to-god saying that the Byzantine Liturgy, compared to this joke of a Mass, is not like a high requiem being compared to a street side puppet show?
@triczka I'm not defending it nor am I condemning it, it was an offering to God , the Eucharist was consecrated. While it may not be what YOU like, its not you that it was offered to, let God be the judge of that. I personally don't care for it but I see nothing wrong with it. Ritual and tradition are just external expression. And ALL tradition is man made. Tradition and ritual does not give us any special clout with God, does it?
You judged the Byzantine tradition of Liturgy you fucking hypocrite.
Besides, no, I'm not jut going to accept this puppet show as valid offering to God as if it were an equal to the traditions created by God's saints. Take your hypocritical, hippy-ass views and shove them as deep as they'll go. While you're at it, I don't want to see your like at a Byzantine Liturgy ever again, all showing up wanting to play your lame kumbaya songs; no tolerance, you cunts are cut off
@triczka Go fuck yourself ya fucking CUNT! take your man made, dried up, meaningless traditions and shove them up your ass! okay? Fucking pharisee shit on your part!
Get Richard Simmons to a Byzantine liturgy and you can sweat to the oldies in front of your icon of choice!
@triczka St.John Chrysostomos was an anti semite and a pervert. The Great Friday Liturgy is rabidly anti semitic and so where many of his writings. So stick with that hateful pervert and your dried up man made traditions. See ya!
@triczka Oh blow it out your ass! I rather grammatical errors than errors of religion. You can't judge anyone's relationship to God and the religious arrogance is pathetic. The rituals, any ritual whether its this Mass or a Byzantine liturgy does not get you any clout with God....so blow it out your ass dear!
Its not dried up ritual that gets you to heaven. Chrysostomos was an antisemite and a pervert.
Actually, I was just being linguistically arrogant. You were the religiously antagonistic. I could reply to your statements, but if you can't even form coherent thoughts that would be more like educating you, and I don't do that shit for free.
I'm nice though, so here's a little perspective:
Chrystostom: renowned scholastic, a celebrated rhetorician, a champion of the people and liturgist with brilliant, aesthetic insight.
This so called "mass" is channeling those services of Jim Jones' infamous People's Themple. It's an outrage and a disgrace. These people must be excommunicated.
@terriblita308 So if its not a real mass for you, would you throw the eucharist in the toilet both bread and wine , then shit and piss on it then wipe your ass with the pages of their Bible? something tells me YOU would.
@NativeNewYorkGuy Whoa, someone has thin skin! And yes, regrettably, the consagration is valid, for it was done by a priest. The ceremony itself is a shame, borderline sacrilegious, a mockery of the Holy Sacrafice of The Mass. The same goes for your comment.
These people need to be excommunicated for making a mockery of the holy sacrifice of the mass. What a disgrace of Catholicism! The Bishop needs to bring the hammer down on this garbage!!!!
I can assure you the "bishop" needs the hammer brought down on him. Like all bishops, including the so-called "Pope", of the Vatican II Sect, they're nothing but apostate heretics. While this would be bad enough in itself, that they have the temerity to claim they represent, and have authority in, Christ's Holy Catholic Church, reveals them the sons of Satan they've proven to be. Please don't confuse the Novus Ordo Sect, that accursed spawn of the invalid "V-II" Robber Council, with the Church.
@uponthisrock32 I totally agree with you but its sad when sometimes its the Bishops themselves doing this crazy stuff, it is exactly as you said, "a mockery of the holy mass" Its vatican II taken way out of contents! the way I deal with heresy is threaten the heretics with the Aposolic Nucio, they have to look into it and they will stop it, thanks to our current pope..Help preserve our beautiful liturgy and do away with this creepy stuff
@cathofaithdef They might be "FAKE Catholics" but they are real Christians.....I've noticed many of the Traditionalist Catholics just worship man made tradition and ritual and have no inkling of what being a true Christian is. And that is sad!
These traditions have been passed down for 2000 years. since the church was established. The traditional mass is the most beautiful and sacred act of love for God.
@cathofaithdef 2,000 years? The Tridentine Mass was INVENTED in Europe during the Council of Trent. Latin was never used by Jesus or any of the apostles.
The most sacred and beautiful act of love for God, is being loving and compassionate towards your neighbor.
God is not impressed by the smells and bells nor does He need it. YES, man made traditions and rituals.
That in itself does not make you a Christian, does it?
@NativeNewYorkGuy INVENTED? The tridentine mass was put into practice in the council of trent. But the traditions was used by early Christians..AND I'TS LATIN BECAUSE PEOPLE IN THE ROMAN EMPIRE SPOKE LATIN.
The church was run by people in Italy... Italy didn't speak italian since the early days.
And you should read the bible more often: 2 thess 2:15 So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by our spoken word or by our letter.
@cathofaithdef The language used by the Church in Jerusalem was Aramaic and by the time Christianity reached Rome the language in use was Greek. Latin came into use only after Constantine organized the Roman Catholic Church in 313 AD . Jesus nor the apostle would think of using the language of the pagan Romans who occupied their land. There is nothing in the Tridentine Mass that can be traced to the apostles.
Respond to this video... Well, gee thanks for informing that Italy didn't always speak Italian, WOW! I've lived in Italy, I have family there and I speak Italian fluently, in fact I speak it everyday. How much do you speak of it?
Jesus was always berating the Pharisees because of their worship of Tradition and how it was practiced, you like them miss the point. The traditional catholic Mass is long and boring and quite useless in Africa or China. Don't you think?
@NativeNewYorkGuy DOES IT MATTER IF I SPEAK ITALIA OR NOT... THAT IS SO BESIDE THE POINT.
Yes the pharisees had traditions... MADE BY MEN. But the traditions were passed down.... TAUGHT BY THE APOSTLES. please see source on 2 thess 2:15.i wrote to u last message.
@cathofaithdef It does matter, do you? because then why speak about something you don't know? The Tradtions of the Pharisees like the traditions and "dogmas" of the RC Church are all MAN MADE...the reference you make from Thessalonians has nothing to do with traditions that were centuries away from being invented.
The smells and bells you so much glorify does not make anyone a better Christian necessarily, does it? nor does it save their soul.
@cathofaithdef Congratulations and I'm sure you will in your Junior High School honor roll.
Latin was the language of the western Roman Empire, but not the language of the church until Constantine formed the Roman Catholic Church in 313 AD....there is no record of Peter being the bishop of Rome nor of even being martyred there, he was not a "pope"
@cathofaithdef Latin was the Roman Empire's language and from it sprung the Romance languages,
The Italian language was the Florentine/Tuscan dialect that was the language of the Renaissance . In 1870 with the Unification of Italy was exalted as the national language. Italy has hundreds of regional dialects , some with their own literature. Today most Italians speak the national language, however should 2 Italians speaking in their own dialect might not be able to understand each other.
@NativeNewYorkGuy STOP BEING RETARDED. I'm not asking about Italian language. That is so beside the point, why are you bringing it up? Maybe because you can't answer my stuff so you just keep up the famous protestant babbling...I'M REALLY DONE WITH YOU HERETICS, YOU PEOPLE JUST GO ON AND ON WITH YOUR SENSELESS BULLSHIT.
SPEAKING TO PROTESTANTS IS LIKE TEACHING BRICKS TO FLY.
@cathofaithdef Hey buddy, you're the one with the senseless bullshit and your very morbid and macabre religion. 'protestant' "heretic" you belong in the XV century ..call me what you wish, I laugh at it...I prefer to be a Christian. God is greater than your mundane and corrupt organization and neither does the Church keep God captive. Wallow in your bullshit.
@cathofaithdef I never said that Catholics are not Christians. it would be indeed ignorant or malicious to say so....but being Christian is not about Catholic or Protestant, its about the fundamental and universal principles of the teaching of Jesus which has nothing to do with "rites" or "tradition" ...those things are just outward manifestations and symbols, if we get caught up on that then we miss the point. Catholics have no particular privilege or favoritism before God over anyone else.
Jesus wept. What is that foolish woman supposed to be doing? It looks ridiculous. I'm female and I vote for not letting women take part in the mass like this at all. No altar girls either.
@forgetfulmuse Jeus wept? Yeah he did ....but now you are taking things out of context...wether this Mass or some boring outdated Tridentine Mass, I am so glad, I left the Roman Catholic Church.
@NativeNewYorkGuy So u left the catholic church... Sad... Instead of helping the church change you leave it... SAD heretic chicken...That's what you are.
@cathofaithdef Thank you! With people like you, I realize I made the right decision to leave the RCC. "Heretic"? I believe in God, its your superstition and made made traditions you worship I don't believe in. The RCC does not hold God captive. What is there to change about a totalitarian corrupt and mundane organization that claims to speak for God? there are other more positive options, keep your superstition. I may be weak but you are a brainless idiot, go puke yourself to death then.
@IngerIdeology I understand God doesn't want to Paganism mixed with worship of Him, but why then is Catholic ritual and tradition so heavily laden with Anceint Roman Paganism? ....In some countries there are statues dressed in brocaded ouitfits, jewelry and human hair, and many claim to "miraculous" images that can heal ...dos that not smack of idolatry? Latin was a pagan language, Jesus nor any of His disciples used Latin , lets talk Paganism
@NativeNewYorkGuy Latin was the known international language at the time of our Lord Jesus. You are correct God obviously doesn't want Paganism mixed with Christian worship. Our Lord Jesus, the
Apostles and Saints met weekly for the first 300 years for communal worship on the Sabbath Day, which as I am sure you know is our Saturday. Now most of us meet for weekly Worship on the day of the Pagan Sun God and even call it Sunday!! Isn't a proper relationship with our Lord Jesus more important?
@NativeNewYorkGuy good questions. Well what the Church did to help pagans convert was to take some of their things and sanctify them. For example Latin. Statues of venus and Mars where adopted to look like the Virgin Mary, not to be adored but just to help us focus more, in my countries we do have statues with fine things, but thats more of a mentality to help people see how nice Mary is and Jesus, dressed with the best, and we give the best, silly thinking but it helps.
For all you whining TRADIDIOTS whether you like it or not this Mass is valid and Christ is just as present as in any other Mass. If you dislike this particular Mass that's okay but the fact remains its 100% valid, Nothing blasphemous here. For those of you claiming its not valid, would you then take the Eucharist and the Wine, and throw in the toilet, shit and piss on it and flush it? would you? I DARE YOU!
@NativeNewYorkGuy It's David's Christ they are worshipping you dunce. I'll do it, then I'll burn their bible, because "the Lord" is NOT god. It's Satan, and he has deceived ALL NATIONS, just as planned. The Mother of God said the Rosary is all there is left. She said this for a reason. Don't be so proud of things you don't understand, you'll have much to regret.
@fatimamovement Thak You judt as I thought, Your FALSE religion is venemous and toxic. You are the one who has no understanding of what TRUE Christianity is. So shove your Fatima hoax!
"The miracle of the sun" ...yeah right! Funny how only a handful of illiterate Portuguese peasants ''witnessed" this but nothing was reported in NYC or Australia, I mean this is the sun, okay and when did Russia become Catholic? FUCKING IDIOTS!
@fatimamovement Hey the sun, THE SUN "danced in the sky"? nice story! this was of course seen in India, Australia and NYC , after all it was the sun, no? and of course Russia is now a nation of "devout" Catholics , rights? Do you even understand what Christianity is about or just, the Vatican's contrived tale with a political agenda with illiterate Portuguese peasants used as props?
@NativeNewYorkGuy No, it was seen over an area of 32 x 20 km in Portugal. Portugal was the only country to follow the consecration orders before WWII. The rest of Europe had to deal with the consequences of not following Our Lady's requests.
Check out the Aurora Borealis, the sign given by God that the world was about to be punished for its crimes of heresy- Europe thought the sky was on fire. That was Jan. 25, 1938. That's in many papers-
That was also the day Stalin started WWII. Look it up
@fatimamovement So the sun revolves around Portugal, WOW! look at that! so God, the Creator of all that exists, uses natural wonders to scare the shit out of the people so they can believe in Him? Where do you people end the ridiculous nonsense? do you? So where is Russia's conversion? So the Catholics are going to topple the Russian Orthodox and every Russian will become Catholic? Now what about the cryptic mysterious 'Third Secret" LMFAO!
@fatimamovement Yeah, you would burn a Bible , all that matters to you is the Fatima hoax< ALL NONSENSE!
Now I asked you, and answer the question: If you believe that this Mass is not valid and so evil, would you take the Eucharist, bread and wine ......throw it in the toilet, shit and piss on it then flush it? its a YES or a NO answer. Lets hear it.......
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intervisitor 15 hours ago
This video should be deleted, it's so horrible!
balok3 4 days ago
How on earth is this crap honoring God?
PZMedic 4 days ago
Jim Henson is rolling over in his grave. This is an embarrasment to puppets everywhere!
LiturgicalChants 4 days ago
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This is a very "physical" video. =p
enriqueowens616 1 week ago
Nothing I can say to all of these doctrinal disputes (bizarre as this video is).
Jesus had something to say on the matter, though!
“Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift?”
Nictusempra 1 week ago
Well, the only good thing I can say about this is that it wasn't done in a Catholic church!
CarlVDW3 2 weeks ago
This is a bogus celebration and bogus priest.
1tontomato 2 weeks ago in playlist The Errors Of Vatican II/ What is wrong w/Vatican II??
Even as just performance art, this sucks. Why even try to defend it as religion?
333666666 3 weeks ago
haha Michael Vorris must see this !!
aarespo 1 month ago
Notice how they are all elderly.
TraditionalistThomas 1 month ago
Will someone please tell me which Cirque du Soleil show is this? I've seen every of them shows since they premiered in 1985 and I do not believe I've seen this...The only things missing are the acrobat performers----WOW!!!
phambo101 1 month ago
i heard, i thought it was hear say.. now i have seen
aarespo 1 month ago
hmm.. my eyes have seen!
aarespo 1 month ago
I recently decided to explore the Catholic faith after years of atheism. I was looking for a connection to tradition, authenticity, etc. It makes me sad to realize that the catholic church isn't what i thought it was. I can tell you that I'm not alone. People are hungry for authenticity and tradition. I want an antidote to the crappy modern world, not a sad compromise with it.
bawright462 1 month ago
@bawright462
You need to look into the Tridentine mass which is being kept alive by groups such as SSPX (Society of Saint Pius X) and CRMI, and others. Tradition lives! And Grows!
s2srea 1 month ago
@s2srea , though i condemn this most horrendous sacrilege, the SSPX are not to be followed. Tradition tells us to unite with the Bishop of Rome which they dont. what saint in Heaven would support the SSPX. name just one.. who despite a validly elected Pope, wouls till declare sede vacante and not follow the pope
aarespo 1 month ago
@aarespo
Thank you aarespo! Tradition also tells us when a bishop or pope falls outside the circle of Tradition, the also fall outside the protection of the Church, and are not to be followed. Not to mention, the SSPX are not sedevecantist, nor have they ever been.
To answer your question (what saint in heaven would support SSPX): Saint Pius V, X, Aquinas, Bellarmine, Tomas a Canterbury- all defenders of the Church and Tradition!
Now, what saint would go along with a protestantized Rite?
JMJ
s2srea 1 month ago
@s2srea Merry Christmas!!
yes but only to the degree which the move from tradition, i for example was utterly displeased with the late popes kissing of the koran. but those are human errors and popes have always made human errors from Peter onwards. When Peter caved in to the circumcision party, Paul objected openly but Peter was still the Pope, Paul did not break communion with Peter, note also that Peter's cowardice there was a personal un-dogmatic action in which Popes can err...
aarespo 1 month ago
continued.. it is only when the Pope make a 'solemn' heretical definition on some matter that he ceases to become Pope and that has Never happened(unless you can cite instances of when heresy was proclaimed in a DOGMATIC manner). I now ask you that if Peter refused to change would Paul have founded his own sect? the pope makes alot of mistakes, but none of these except the one mentioned above can deny him of the office of Pope
aarespo 1 month ago
Habemus Papam! you note that the SSPX are not sedevacantist, so there is a Pope then? so Peter is alive, weak as usual, and infallible in dogmatic pronunciations as usual; yet you are not united to him. any block not united to the foundation is another building, the SSPX by breaking communion with Rome has broken from the Holy Catholic Church. this is serious, there has always been instances where some group of faithful disagree with the Pope until infallible dogmatic pronunciations were made..
aarespo 1 month ago
continued..
till then these groups tolerated the weakness of the Pope and prayed for him. if the Pope said something in an un-solemn way, I may still say its wrong ..yet must unite with him, for example, I think the ecumenism approach is very faulty..it is only when the Pope Solemnly proclaims heresy like if he dogmatically defines the Gospel of Luke to be invalid, then I would remove my allegiance (and the Holy Spirit makes it impossible for him to do that).. well its a bit too much my comments
aarespo 1 month ago
@aarespo
Agreed! Which is why I am not a sedevecantist! I do not believe the seat of Peter to be vacant. I do not equate the pope to God, as I believe sede's do. I believe he can error, and we must pray for him.
To your question: I don't think Paul/Peter would have created separate sects, no. However, as I'd just mentioned above, we're dealing with a completely different situation. Its undeniable that the teachings of Vatican II have many Protestantized teachings.
s2srea 1 month ago
@aarespo Merry Christmas to you too !
While the popes kissing of the Koran was also embarrassing to myself as well, I do believe the errors are much more grave than kissing a book which calls all believers in the Trinity excrement.
No Paul did not break communion with Peter, however, Peter never created nor supported an entirely non-Catholic Rite, as the new Pope have.
Epieikeia supports those priests in the trad movement who are giving what the current clergy are failing to provide
s2srea 1 month ago
@s2srea The CRMI are sedevacantists and are to be avoided.
TraditionalistThomas 1 month ago
@bawright462 I was raised Catholic, and became disturbed by the Church's inconsistency in changing the mass at will. I too sought authenticity and an unchanging worship rooted in real tradition. After several years examining other denominations while remaining a Catholic in theory, I was drawn to Orthodoxy. After a year of deep prayer and study, I was received into the Orthodox Church in America on December 4 in Washington DC. With humility, I would direct you to oca.org. May God guide you!
daprezn2028 1 month ago
Where is the Head of John The Baptist
Panvert22 1 month ago
This is so stupid. I am thinking the poor outwitted parish is nothing but sheep asleep. Pity them. Pity them.
vkorchnoifan 2 months ago
I believe this is not even a consecrated church. This is the work of the Devil.
Were is the ceremonius Mass? This priest must be fired for the fact that he has raped the Holy Mass. THIS IS NOT CATHOLIC, would you not like the NORMAL CATHOLIC MASS (how it should be)!!!! Then go to a protestant church! Shame to al the people who are there!
mmmpok 2 months ago
This is like a Pentecostal or a liberal Protestant liturgy, even the songs are the same. Are you sure this is not Episcopalian? If its Roman Catholic this Priest is like Antiochus Epiphanes the desolator of the Holy Temple.
malixpek 2 months ago
What religon is????????
srjorgechant 2 months ago
it's a bad thing to go there.
vkorchnoifan 2 months ago
It looks like this was one of many masses at Los Angeles Congress.
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giovannidarho 2 months ago
This is the funniest thing I've seen in a long, long time. (It's also why I'm now Eastern Catholic!) :-)
stoogeswoman 2 months ago
this is heartbreaking to watch! Lord have mercy :(
MarysLittleFlower 3 months ago
What a nightmare!
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It looks like the girl dancing in front of the puppets ran away from a psychatric institute or something and the puppets is her imagenary friends. Whats the meaning with this anyway? Who are this nightmarish giant puppets supposed to be? Demons?
sagautrek 3 months ago
Excommunication.
SimplyDavid42 3 months ago
Notice he puts special emphasis on "for ALL" in the "consecration" of the Kool-Aid.
mackbee628 3 months ago
Lol what a joke. Bad theatre, yes. Eucharist, no. Sad, bad and mad.
ASignOfContradiction 3 months ago
YOu have been excommunicated according to the mystical body of christ! you worship is a sin!
sofioagainstevlobama 3 months ago
WHAT CHURCH IS THIS AT?!!!
sofioagainstevlobama 3 months ago
Probably some excommunicated priest..... bastard
jedi1991 3 months ago
@jedi1991 Detraction is also a sin. Be cautious of what you say about a priest---disobedient or not, he is still a priest, and Christ Himself will deal with him.
GMLFire 3 months ago
@GMLFire Check your Catechism again...detraction is revealing other's faults WITHOUT GOOD REASON.
I'd say an illicit (possibly invalid) Mass is good reason enough...
mburmy 2 months ago
@mburmy ...and unless you're the pope or a canon lawyer and know for a fact that he is an excommunicated priest, YOU'RE DETRACTING.
GMLFire 3 weeks ago
I highly doubt that this parish is in communion with Rome....probably some aberrant sect... no bishop would allow this, or would they? :(
Considering this is taking place in a hotel room, I highly doubt it's Roman Catholic.
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jedi1991 3 months ago
where the heck is this?
evildarkass5 3 months ago
Okay, if this is saying all NO masses are wrong, then I say; Abusus non tollit usum.
brndurham 3 months ago
nuts
Burufunk 4 months ago
All religious people are retarded. Some are just more retarded than others.
Kiroswan 4 months ago
What I think is very important to point out is the age of almost all of the participants in this "liturgy". They are all older people, most young Catholics who haven't fallen by the wayside will be at a much more liturgically correct Mass. Especially with this growing trend in traditionalism where the pews in traditional parishes are filled with the young. I see it in my home parish.
farmer88 4 months ago
And.. Father Harry Heretic - the principal heretic celebrant of this Holy Sacrifice should be packed off to Alaska.
MrJamesthecatholic 4 months ago 2
The good thing is that most of these retarded heretics are drop dead old. Time will take care of this garbage in another 5 or 10 years. Call to Action should be renamed Called to Retardation.
HERETICS. St Bellarmine - Pray for us.
MrJamesthecatholic 4 months ago
there just old people! Only on boy...he had probably to come with his grandmother...
Frankenapostel 4 months ago
This shit made me laugh my ass off!
JohnBigmon 4 months ago
good God, what the hell is going on here? Saturday night fever? African Jesus? If only Paul VI was alive to see this.........................
priest008 5 months ago
This is some funny ass shit!!
shanegalang2 5 months ago
whoa, christian scum arguing with each other, you can all return to the middle ages.
nianoniano1 5 months ago
@nianoniano1 When a lie becomes the truth, then it is case for great worry, this is why the world is what it is because people like you think, "oh that's medieval" well you know something nothing has changed since the middle ages except for clothes and scientific theories, rather we have regressed in everything else. The more things change the more they stay the same.
priest008 5 months ago
@priest008 I won't discuss the "truth" or lies with a Christian, is like talking with a wall.
nianoniano1 5 months ago
What's with the Oracle of Delphi dancing?
HeraldDRoi 5 months ago 9
Thank God there weren't any small children in attendance, that could traumatize them for life! This is a modern day Black Mass.
AttorneyCJones 5 months ago
The only thing more ridiculous than the video is the butthurt comments.
Purin95 5 months ago
@Purin95 Exactly.
Psydecar 5 months ago
This is everyone's religion.
Purin95 5 months ago
esto es una blasfemia; pero ¿que se podía esperar después del concilio vaticano ii?
intervisitor 5 months ago
@intervisitor ¿Puedes citarme el documento del CVII en el que se da la descripción de lo que aparece en el video, o la permisión para el mismo?
Mithferion 5 months ago
morons
henrykfarino 6 months ago
Are "Vatican II" catholics really getting that old?
NixonisLord 6 months ago
This is a parody by Steven Colbert, isn't it? Otherwise, it's gay even for Jesuits.
NixonisLord 6 months ago
Queers and retards...
Gorbachenko 6 months ago
Oh Dear!
Where is this abomination occuring?
Could someone please show these poor misguided souls the door?
Silverdaddy101 6 months ago
This is not even Catholic Hahahah. They can call themselves Catholics but there a bunch of liturgical abusers to Christ. Our Lord would be crying. These people who creatue such evil only think about themselves not about Jesus. This is a self centred liturgy No Love for Christ here only the Love for the individual with silly dancing and puppits HAHAHA. This reminds me of some masonic worship session Hahahaha
icecreamisawesomeify 6 months ago
Round tables may work for my Wiccan friends but it dose not work for the Catholic Church
umaara100 7 months ago
Lets not judge so fast.Was this some kind of festival
umaara100 7 months ago
you Protestants are lost people and you fools doing this crazy Mass are heretics and heresy is a grave sin.....Get a Life and Stop bother Jesus with you invalid Masses and go to a real Mass with the real Jesus, and btw only the priest is supose to say the words of consecration not the whole damn church! I pray for you lost people and pray that God has much Mercy on you Heretics!
and BTW its "May God Bless you in the name of the FATHER and THE SON, and THE HOLY SPIRIT!!!!!! fools!
Catholic00012 7 months ago
@Catholic00012 I agree that what takes place in this video is ridiculousness, but please realize that the prejudices contained in this comment are very unchristian and counter-constructive. It is a greater sin to fail to love people than to fail to celebrate a perfect liturgy. Remember that Jesus instituted the Eucharistic liturgy for the people, not the people for the liturgy. Love God first, people second, liturgy third. Peace.
tsennett9 6 months ago
@tsennett9 No I'm sorry I see no prejudices here, only facts and LOVE is what I have for these PEOPLE but HATE is what I have for their mockery of the Holy Mass, like its said love the sinner and hate the sin, well there you go the same situtation here! don't let your love for people stop you from defending whats right, Jesus did remember he got really mad and flipped tables because people were selling things in his Fathers house! I defend whats right and love at the sametime, my friend
Catholic00012 6 months ago
@tsennett9 That's right: hate the sin, love the sinner. While you're praying for them, please pray for me too; because even though the Lord has given me the grace to recognize authentic from unauthentic Christian worship, I still do not love the Mass and humbly receive Jesus in the Eucharist as much as I should. It's a terrible fault of mine. Thanks, man.
tsennett9 6 months ago
Hey! This was probably the fruit of some hard planning and discussing between some experienced and professional liturgists! ......who obviously don't have a clue about the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.
This mocks Our Lord. This is not worship. This is no different from a protestant mega church service.
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IoanIlieMinaGheorghe 7 months ago
This is DISGUSTING!
I hope to God that all the idiots that celebrated this "mass" get converted before they die.
SICK SICK SICK
maple1212 7 months ago
@maple1212 YOU should become a true CHRISTIAN before YOU die, because if anyone here is sick its YOU.
NativeNewYorkGuy 7 months ago
Where's a group of Mexican kids wanting to hit a pinata when you need them?
BishopHatto 7 months ago
Its a shame that so many catholics are miserable these days good on these people for giving it a go
orthodox33 7 months ago
Average age of those attending Call to Action : 74
Average age of those attending reverent Ordinary form and Extraordinary form Masses: 20's and 30's
Glory to God in the Highest!
CDOG111 7 months ago
Cult alert!
These people are morons.
BishopHatto 7 months ago
@BishopHatto It doesn't hurt to be nice being a bishop does it? why are they morons?
orthodox33 7 months ago
@orthodox33 Their service looks like it was put together by brain dead aging hippies aka idiots. If you think I'm a real Bishop, I've got some news for you. I hope you don't go to this church. Don't drink the punch!
BishopHatto 7 months ago
The only time dancing of any sort should be used in Mass is if it is a cultural norm...and I highly doubt it is there. and WTH are those big headed things????
CatholicsRock1 7 months ago
@CatholicsRock1 where does it say that? its ther cultural norm let them celebrate the Lord they way they want
orthodox33 7 months ago
@orthodox33 enter "Litergical Dance and Cardinal Arinze" into the search bar. Listen to Cardinal Arinze, Prefect for the Congregation of Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments. He says it best.
CatholicsRock1 7 months ago
@orthodox33 And yes, we all should worship the one true God in some personal way, BUT when someone starts to poke fun at the Mass which is not only a DIRECT connection to all Christians throughout the world and throughout time, but is by far the most Holy of sacrifices and the most Holiest of times in this chaotic world (Because Christ himself Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity are made present in the "here and now"), not only Catholics but also ALL Christians should be upset.
CatholicsRock1 7 months ago
@CatholicsRock1 I would like to say this and to all the other haters out there, they are Giving it a Go, they are celebrating the Lord Jesus and to them its certainly not a funeral Good On them, Now my friend the Mass isn't a sacrifice thats an insult to the Cross of calvary the "Once and For all sacrifice" I peter 3:18 Christ also has once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: the mass Amen
orthodox33 7 months ago
Catholics Rock the Mass is a sacrifice of Praise and Thanksgiving and Spiritual Anamenisis bringing about the reality that it represents Jesus Christ was Crucified before the foundations of the World Rev 13:8 its a Bloodless sacrifice the Mass is a Spiritual meal we tap into the reality of Calvary.
orthodox33 7 months ago
@orthodox33 Yes Christ did die once and for all -Amen. But the Mass is a continuation of that sacrifice, that's why you might hear the phrase "The Holy Sacrifice of the Mass", it is the same sacrifice made at Calvary re offered to God the Father through the Eucharist so that we, in this generation may take part in it. And apart from the physical sacrifice of Christ's body, blood, soul, and divinity, when we comsume the one true Lamb of God just as it says to do in 1 Cor. 5:7
CatholicsRock1 7 months ago
@orthodox33 In 1 Cor. 5:7 St. Paul tells us that the Lamb (Christ) has been sacrificed, but what do we do now?? this is where many Protestants say we must now accept him, but that's it. In ancient Jewish sacrifices the Lamb that was sacrificed had to be eaten so we have the Eucharistic meal where we consume the body, blood, soul and divinity of Christ. That is why the Mass is so sacred. No we do not RE-SACRIFICE over and over and over again, we partake in the one true sacrifice of Calvary. We
CatholicsRock1 7 months ago
@orthodox33 also recive the Eucharist for the forgiveness of Venial Sins. and if you say that no we do not need the Eucharist to be healed from that sin, then you are saying that we do not need Christ to be forgiven. Riciving the Eucharist in Venial sin is a physical and spiritual sign that we have turned away from sin and back to God the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. And that's why we also have the Sacrament of Penance, because we receive the forgiving grace of God through the words of
CatholicsRock1 7 months ago
@orthodox33 Absolution said by the priest. But in the Eucharist we are put into the presence of God, and by receiving him in the Eucharist we accept and realize that he is now a part of our daily lives, in every way. no where in Catholic teaching does it say that the Mass is another sacrifice, it is the same, carried out in our daily lives, in our very midst.
And to call people "Haters" for sticking up for the dignity of the Mass is just outright immature. avoid the Ad Hominem attacks, sir.
CatholicsRock1 7 months ago
@orthodox33 And I'm guessing that you are not Catholic? maybe? Kinda? well my last remark will be this: lets not forget NO Christian Denomination could exist without the Catholic Church because up until the 16th century there we not any other Christian Denominations. if the Catholic or the "Universal" Church as the word catholic literally means, had not put together the Bible as we know it today, you would not have been able to use that citation that you just used. Yes, God is the Divine author
CatholicsRock1 7 months ago
@orthodox33 but if it was left at that the books that make up the Bible would be left scattered and soon forgotten, of course we would still have the Torah. But the Catholic Church was the one that sat down and put the Gospels and the rest of the New Testament together. And since we are universal, I beg you to please step into a Catholic Church or read our Catechism. It is time for all Christians to come home. And if you believe none of what I just said, please do some research.
Peace, brother,
CatholicsRock1 7 months ago
@CatholicsRock1 Its a a bloodless sacrificehe Catholic Church does not teach that the Mass is a re-crucifixion of Christ, die again in the Mass.he Catholic Church specifically says Christ does not die again—his death is once for all. be something else if the Church were to claim he does die again, but it doesn’t make that claim.
orthodox33 7 months ago
@CatholicsRock1hrough his intercessory ministry in heaven and through the Mass, Jesus continues to offer himself to his Father as a living sacrifice, and he does so in what the Church specifically states is "an unbloody manner"does not involve a new crucifixion.
orthodox33 7 months ago
@orthodox33 i never said anything about a new crucifixion...
CatholicsRock1 7 months ago
I can't help but notice that there is no one under 50 in the congregation. Fortunately young catholics are returning to more conservative catholic parishes and priestly orders.
PZMedic 7 months ago
Damn it feels good to be a Byzantine.
lol @ Roman hippies
triczka 7 months ago
@triczka I'M SURE YOU DO, ESPECIALLY DOING ALL THOSE AEROBICS IN FRONT OF THE ICONS AND INHALING INCNESE. GOTTA LOVE THOSE LONG MEANINGLESS RITUALS......LORD HAVE MERCY 40X? REALLY?
NativeNewYorkGuy 7 months ago
@NativeNewYorkGuy Aerobics in front of the icons? You mean standing versus just sitting there?
Also, the ritual is meaningless of course if you're the kinda guy who's 13 and uses all caps and doesn't know what the hell he's talking about. I'm honestly surprised you've even been to a Byzantine Liturgy since, well, you don't strike me as the cultured type.
triczka 7 months ago
@triczka The all caps was a mistake, Yes I have been to many Byzantine Liturgies both Orthodox and Uniat.
NativeNewYorkGuy 7 months ago
@NativeNewYorkGuy
Ok. Are you also defending the content of this video? Are you daring a come-back and honest-to-god saying that the Byzantine Liturgy, compared to this joke of a Mass, is not like a high requiem being compared to a street side puppet show?
triczka 7 months ago
@triczka I'm not defending it nor am I condemning it, it was an offering to God , the Eucharist was consecrated. While it may not be what YOU like, its not you that it was offered to, let God be the judge of that. I personally don't care for it but I see nothing wrong with it. Ritual and tradition are just external expression. And ALL tradition is man made. Tradition and ritual does not give us any special clout with God, does it?
Don't participate in it and don't judge.
NativeNewYorkGuy 7 months ago
@NativeNewYorkGuy
You judged the Byzantine tradition of Liturgy you fucking hypocrite.
Besides, no, I'm not jut going to accept this puppet show as valid offering to God as if it were an equal to the traditions created by God's saints. Take your hypocritical, hippy-ass views and shove them as deep as they'll go. While you're at it, I don't want to see your like at a Byzantine Liturgy ever again, all showing up wanting to play your lame kumbaya songs; no tolerance, you cunts are cut off
triczka 7 months ago
@triczka Go fuck yourself ya fucking CUNT! take your man made, dried up, meaningless traditions and shove them up your ass! okay? Fucking pharisee shit on your part!
Get Richard Simmons to a Byzantine liturgy and you can sweat to the oldies in front of your icon of choice!
LMFAO! DUMB FUCK!
NativeNewYorkGuy 7 months ago
@NativeNewYorkGuy
Ha! Not so damn righteous anymore, are ya? So much for your trying to take the moral high ground.
I will take my traditions, created by saints Cyril, Methodius and Chrystostom, thank you very much. You have fun on Sesame Street now.
triczka 7 months ago
@triczka St.John Chrysostomos was an anti semite and a pervert. The Great Friday Liturgy is rabidly anti semitic and so where many of his writings. So stick with that hateful pervert and your dried up man made traditions. See ya!
NativeNewYorkGuy 7 months ago
@NativeNewYorkGuy
Well, you may have lost the moral high-ground, but you definitely take the cake for most irreverence and grammatical/spelling errors.
Once again, I will stick with my traditions, however one might describe them, and superior command of the English language. Ciao, bitch!
triczka 7 months ago
@triczka Oh blow it out your ass! I rather grammatical errors than errors of religion. You can't judge anyone's relationship to God and the religious arrogance is pathetic. The rituals, any ritual whether its this Mass or a Byzantine liturgy does not get you any clout with God....so blow it out your ass dear!
Its not dried up ritual that gets you to heaven. Chrysostomos was an antisemite and a pervert.
NativeNewYorkGuy 7 months ago
@NativeNewYorkGuy
Actually, I was just being linguistically arrogant. You were the religiously antagonistic. I could reply to your statements, but if you can't even form coherent thoughts that would be more like educating you, and I don't do that shit for free.
I'm nice though, so here's a little perspective:
Chrystostom: renowned scholastic, a celebrated rhetorician, a champion of the people and liturgist with brilliant, aesthetic insight.
You: jackass who can't even spell correctly.
triczka 7 months ago
@NativeNewYorkGuy wow..things are hot here.
priest008 5 months ago
This so called "mass" is channeling those services of Jim Jones' infamous People's Themple. It's an outrage and a disgrace. These people must be excommunicated.
terriblita308 7 months ago
@terriblita308 So if its not a real mass for you, would you throw the eucharist in the toilet both bread and wine , then shit and piss on it then wipe your ass with the pages of their Bible? something tells me YOU would.
NativeNewYorkGuy 7 months ago
@NativeNewYorkGuy Whoa, someone has thin skin! And yes, regrettably, the consagration is valid, for it was done by a priest. The ceremony itself is a shame, borderline sacrilegious, a mockery of the Holy Sacrafice of The Mass. The same goes for your comment.
terriblita308 7 months ago
These people need to be excommunicated for making a mockery of the holy sacrifice of the mass. What a disgrace of Catholicism! The Bishop needs to bring the hammer down on this garbage!!!!
uponthisrock32 8 months ago 15
@uponthisrock32 You need to become a true Christian!
NativeNewYorkGuy 7 months ago
I can assure you the "bishop" needs the hammer brought down on him. Like all bishops, including the so-called "Pope", of the Vatican II Sect, they're nothing but apostate heretics. While this would be bad enough in itself, that they have the temerity to claim they represent, and have authority in, Christ's Holy Catholic Church, reveals them the sons of Satan they've proven to be. Please don't confuse the Novus Ordo Sect, that accursed spawn of the invalid "V-II" Robber Council, with the Church.
GasconyKid 7 months ago
@uponthisrock32 I totally agree with you but its sad when sometimes its the Bishops themselves doing this crazy stuff, it is exactly as you said, "a mockery of the holy mass" Its vatican II taken way out of contents! the way I deal with heresy is threaten the heretics with the Aposolic Nucio, they have to look into it and they will stop it, thanks to our current pope..Help preserve our beautiful liturgy and do away with this creepy stuff
Catholic00012 7 months ago
@uponthisrock32 ; Bishops are mostly administrative cowards
mbukukanyau 7 months ago
@uponthisrock32 Good ol' christian caps lock. :3
Purin95 5 months ago
How disturbing, and even more so that the parishoners didnt storm out. I sure would have
redbaron998 8 months ago
@redbaron998 GOOD RIDDANCE!
NativeNewYorkGuy 8 months ago
Kyrie eleison.
cathofaithdef 8 months ago
Abusive... May God have mercy on these fake Catholics.
cathofaithdef 8 months ago
@cathofaithdef They might be "FAKE Catholics" but they are real Christians.....I've noticed many of the Traditionalist Catholics just worship man made tradition and ritual and have no inkling of what being a true Christian is. And that is sad!
NativeNewYorkGuy 8 months ago
@NativeNewYorkGuy Man made traditions???
These traditions have been passed down for 2000 years. since the church was established. The traditional mass is the most beautiful and sacred act of love for God.
cathofaithdef 8 months ago
@cathofaithdef 2,000 years? The Tridentine Mass was INVENTED in Europe during the Council of Trent. Latin was never used by Jesus or any of the apostles.
The most sacred and beautiful act of love for God, is being loving and compassionate towards your neighbor.
God is not impressed by the smells and bells nor does He need it. YES, man made traditions and rituals.
That in itself does not make you a Christian, does it?
NativeNewYorkGuy 8 months ago
@NativeNewYorkGuy INVENTED? The tridentine mass was put into practice in the council of trent. But the traditions was used by early Christians..AND I'TS LATIN BECAUSE PEOPLE IN THE ROMAN EMPIRE SPOKE LATIN.
The church was run by people in Italy... Italy didn't speak italian since the early days.
And you should read the bible more often: 2 thess 2:15 So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by our spoken word or by our letter.
cathofaithdef 8 months ago
@cathofaithdef The language used by the Church in Jerusalem was Aramaic and by the time Christianity reached Rome the language in use was Greek. Latin came into use only after Constantine organized the Roman Catholic Church in 313 AD . Jesus nor the apostle would think of using the language of the pagan Romans who occupied their land. There is nothing in the Tridentine Mass that can be traced to the apostles.
NativeNewYorkGuy 8 months ago
Respond to this video... Well, gee thanks for informing that Italy didn't always speak Italian, WOW! I've lived in Italy, I have family there and I speak Italian fluently, in fact I speak it everyday. How much do you speak of it?
Jesus was always berating the Pharisees because of their worship of Tradition and how it was practiced, you like them miss the point. The traditional catholic Mass is long and boring and quite useless in Africa or China. Don't you think?
NativeNewYorkGuy 8 months ago
@NativeNewYorkGuy DOES IT MATTER IF I SPEAK ITALIA OR NOT... THAT IS SO BESIDE THE POINT.
Yes the pharisees had traditions... MADE BY MEN. But the traditions were passed down.... TAUGHT BY THE APOSTLES. please see source on 2 thess 2:15.i wrote to u last message.
cathofaithdef 8 months ago
@cathofaithdef It does matter, do you? because then why speak about something you don't know? The Tradtions of the Pharisees like the traditions and "dogmas" of the RC Church are all MAN MADE...the reference you make from Thessalonians has nothing to do with traditions that were centuries away from being invented.
The smells and bells you so much glorify does not make anyone a better Christian necessarily, does it? nor does it save their soul.
NativeNewYorkGuy 8 months ago
@NativeNewYorkGuy Ohh i speak of something I know... You don't know me... You also don't know that I'm taking a history EC class. WITH HONORS
The official language of the roman empire was Latin, Italian only became widely spoken in the reinassance.
The Catholic church is Godly unless you deny the bible. "peter thou art rock and upon this rock I'll build my church". mat 16:18...
cathofaithdef 8 months ago
@cathofaithdef Congratulations and I'm sure you will in your Junior High School honor roll.
Latin was the language of the western Roman Empire, but not the language of the church until Constantine formed the Roman Catholic Church in 313 AD....there is no record of Peter being the bishop of Rome nor of even being martyred there, he was not a "pope"
NativeNewYorkGuy 8 months ago
@cathofaithdef Latin was the Roman Empire's language and from it sprung the Romance languages,
The Italian language was the Florentine/Tuscan dialect that was the language of the Renaissance . In 1870 with the Unification of Italy was exalted as the national language. Italy has hundreds of regional dialects , some with their own literature. Today most Italians speak the national language, however should 2 Italians speaking in their own dialect might not be able to understand each other.
NativeNewYorkGuy 8 months ago
@NativeNewYorkGuy STOP BEING RETARDED. I'm not asking about Italian language. That is so beside the point, why are you bringing it up? Maybe because you can't answer my stuff so you just keep up the famous protestant babbling...I'M REALLY DONE WITH YOU HERETICS, YOU PEOPLE JUST GO ON AND ON WITH YOUR SENSELESS BULLSHIT.
SPEAKING TO PROTESTANTS IS LIKE TEACHING BRICKS TO FLY.
cathofaithdef 8 months ago 7
@cathofaithdef Hey buddy, you're the one with the senseless bullshit and your very morbid and macabre religion. 'protestant' "heretic" you belong in the XV century ..call me what you wish, I laugh at it...I prefer to be a Christian. God is greater than your mundane and corrupt organization and neither does the Church keep God captive. Wallow in your bullshit.
NativeNewYorkGuy 8 months ago
@NativeNewYorkGuy You prefer to be a Christian? Catholics are Christian... You people really make no sense.
study my friend.
cathofaithdef 8 months ago
@cathofaithdef I never said that Catholics are not Christians. it would be indeed ignorant or malicious to say so....but being Christian is not about Catholic or Protestant, its about the fundamental and universal principles of the teaching of Jesus which has nothing to do with "rites" or "tradition" ...those things are just outward manifestations and symbols, if we get caught up on that then we miss the point. Catholics have no particular privilege or favoritism before God over anyone else.
NativeNewYorkGuy 8 months ago
@NativeNewYorkGuy Wow, now we are speaking the same language. God doens't pick favorites. But we need a church to influence our lives as Christians.
cathofaithdef 8 months ago
@cathofaithdef Wow. Way to be understanding and kind.
ICodeInDreams 6 months ago
Jesus wept. What is that foolish woman supposed to be doing? It looks ridiculous. I'm female and I vote for not letting women take part in the mass like this at all. No altar girls either.
forgetfulmuse 8 months ago
@forgetfulmuse Jeus wept? Yeah he did ....but now you are taking things out of context...wether this Mass or some boring outdated Tridentine Mass, I am so glad, I left the Roman Catholic Church.
NativeNewYorkGuy 8 months ago
@NativeNewYorkGuy So u left the catholic church... Sad... Instead of helping the church change you leave it... SAD heretic chicken...That's what you are.
WEAK PEOPLE LIKE YOU, makes me want to vomit.
cathofaithdef 8 months ago
@cathofaithdef Lolx,,,,
eraser695 8 months ago
@cathofaithdef This is Palmorine or Sedevacantis Church who claim themselves to be catholic.
eraser695 8 months ago
@cathofaithdef Thank you! With people like you, I realize I made the right decision to leave the RCC. "Heretic"? I believe in God, its your superstition and made made traditions you worship I don't believe in. The RCC does not hold God captive. What is there to change about a totalitarian corrupt and mundane organization that claims to speak for God? there are other more positive options, keep your superstition. I may be weak but you are a brainless idiot, go puke yourself to death then.
NativeNewYorkGuy 8 months ago
@IngerIdeology I understand God doesn't want to Paganism mixed with worship of Him, but why then is Catholic ritual and tradition so heavily laden with Anceint Roman Paganism? ....In some countries there are statues dressed in brocaded ouitfits, jewelry and human hair, and many claim to "miraculous" images that can heal ...dos that not smack of idolatry? Latin was a pagan language, Jesus nor any of His disciples used Latin , lets talk Paganism
NativeNewYorkGuy 8 months ago
@NativeNewYorkGuy Latin was the known international language at the time of our Lord Jesus. You are correct God obviously doesn't want Paganism mixed with Christian worship. Our Lord Jesus, the
Apostles and Saints met weekly for the first 300 years for communal worship on the Sabbath Day, which as I am sure you know is our Saturday. Now most of us meet for weekly Worship on the day of the Pagan Sun God and even call it Sunday!! Isn't a proper relationship with our Lord Jesus more important?
frbjoernLA 8 months ago
@NativeNewYorkGuy good questions. Well what the Church did to help pagans convert was to take some of their things and sanctify them. For example Latin. Statues of venus and Mars where adopted to look like the Virgin Mary, not to be adored but just to help us focus more, in my countries we do have statues with fine things, but thats more of a mentality to help people see how nice Mary is and Jesus, dressed with the best, and we give the best, silly thinking but it helps.
priest008 5 months ago
For all you whining TRADIDIOTS whether you like it or not this Mass is valid and Christ is just as present as in any other Mass. If you dislike this particular Mass that's okay but the fact remains its 100% valid, Nothing blasphemous here. For those of you claiming its not valid, would you then take the Eucharist and the Wine, and throw in the toilet, shit and piss on it and flush it? would you? I DARE YOU!
NativeNewYorkGuy 8 months ago
@NativeNewYorkGuy It's David's Christ they are worshipping you dunce. I'll do it, then I'll burn their bible, because "the Lord" is NOT god. It's Satan, and he has deceived ALL NATIONS, just as planned. The Mother of God said the Rosary is all there is left. She said this for a reason. Don't be so proud of things you don't understand, you'll have much to regret.
fatimamovement 8 months ago
@fatimamovement Thak You judt as I thought, Your FALSE religion is venemous and toxic. You are the one who has no understanding of what TRUE Christianity is. So shove your Fatima hoax!
"The miracle of the sun" ...yeah right! Funny how only a handful of illiterate Portuguese peasants ''witnessed" this but nothing was reported in NYC or Australia, I mean this is the sun, okay and when did Russia become Catholic? FUCKING IDIOTS!
NativeNewYorkGuy 8 months ago
@fatimamovement Hey the sun, THE SUN "danced in the sky"? nice story! this was of course seen in India, Australia and NYC , after all it was the sun, no? and of course Russia is now a nation of "devout" Catholics , rights? Do you even understand what Christianity is about or just, the Vatican's contrived tale with a political agenda with illiterate Portuguese peasants used as props?
NativeNewYorkGuy 8 months ago
@NativeNewYorkGuy No, it was seen over an area of 32 x 20 km in Portugal. Portugal was the only country to follow the consecration orders before WWII. The rest of Europe had to deal with the consequences of not following Our Lady's requests.
Check out the Aurora Borealis, the sign given by God that the world was about to be punished for its crimes of heresy- Europe thought the sky was on fire. That was Jan. 25, 1938. That's in many papers-
That was also the day Stalin started WWII. Look it up
fatimamovement 8 months ago
@fatimamovement So the sun revolves around Portugal, WOW! look at that! so God, the Creator of all that exists, uses natural wonders to scare the shit out of the people so they can believe in Him? Where do you people end the ridiculous nonsense? do you? So where is Russia's conversion? So the Catholics are going to topple the Russian Orthodox and every Russian will become Catholic? Now what about the cryptic mysterious 'Third Secret" LMFAO!
NativeNewYorkGuy 8 months ago
@fatimamovement Yeah, you would burn a Bible , all that matters to you is the Fatima hoax< ALL NONSENSE!
Now I asked you, and answer the question: If you believe that this Mass is not valid and so evil, would you take the Eucharist, bread and wine ......throw it in the toilet, shit and piss on it then flush it? its a YES or a NO answer. Lets hear it.......
NativeNewYorkGuy 8 months ago
that thing looked like some demented Willy Wonka show. I hope there were no children there.
Abr022575 8 months ago
I just tossed my Franco-American
Abr022575 8 months ago
Worse than Jesus Camp.
ZharekRaldeesh 8 months ago