Peak Moment TV is categorically the best video series around that discuses’ all the important issues today. They are second to absolutely none. Such a great variety of opinions and slants and so many diverse topics...wonderful...bountiful...profound and above all inspiring for us all, as they show that we can live in a different more Earth friendly manner.
@ 23:00 "we don't need money in-between. We don't need interest. We don't need corporations gaining profit. " I love it!!! He’s is so right. The way we operate is totally insane and ridiculous it’s actually probably a really live miracle that we got this far with such an absurd mode of living!!!
It is do or die, sink or swim, we must change our way of living on Earth or perish while potentially bringing down many other living beings with us. It is a very serious situation and one that requires a high degree of maturity and sense of responsibility if we are to make adequate changes in time.
what this man says is a very accurate and simple cimmentary on how the a lot of people live in todays world. Its sad, but its the stark truth. I hope more people can become informed enough through meduims like Peak Moment TV to that they can have the courage to change to a low-impact, self-sufficant and localised mode of living on Earth. One that is based on real and close raltionship to the people and planetary life supporting systems we have around us.
@matchbox555 Archeology is not your strong point, matchbox. The lowest historical life expectancies in history are now being experienced in sub-Saharan and East Africa due to HIV, war and famine. These conditions can all be traced back to the activities of industrial civilization - yes, even HIV, which is prevalent due to mysogenistic behaviour unknown in non-civilized societies. Typical life expectancies in the same parts of the world in non-civilized tribes are far higher.
@matchbox555 Hello matchbox, am I the Unabomber, then? Yes, look at the names.
You, on the other hand are a homophobic idiot. HIV caused by gay people?!! So all the kids and women dying of AIDS in Africa have been infected by gay men have they?
P.S. Which non-civilized cultures manufacture guns?
@matchbox555 I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you *can* be a decent person, though the "gay" slur was unpleasant. All I have to say on the means by which we are made to behave in certain ways is in my new book, "Underminers". Go to chapter two. This link should work:
@matchbox555 I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you *can* be a decent person, though the "gay" slur was unpleasant. All I have to say on the means by which we are made to behave in certain ways is in my new book, "Underminers". Search for "underminers chapter 2" on Google, that will take you there. K.
@matchbox555 I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you *can* be a decent person, though the "gay" slur was unpleasant. All I have to say on the means by which we are made to behave in certain ways is in my new book, Underminers. Search for "underminers chapter 2" on Google, that will take you there. K.
our happy lil farm, You could buy meat that has been fed cardboard and chicken shit. beef that has never even seen real grass or an open pasture. these animals are healthy and happy and giving an animal a name and a happy life doesnt give it any greater value. like our animals they only have one bad second in their life and then are enjoyed as food as they were in life. so go to walmart and buy unhappy vaccine and hormone filled meats eggs and milk thats the best thing for ignorant people like U
our happy lil farm, You could by meat that has been feed cardboard and chicken shit. beef that has never even seen real grass or an open pasture. these animals are healthy and happy and giving an animal a name and a happy life doesnt give it any greater value. like our animals they only have one bad second in their life and then are enjoyed as food as they were in life. so go to walmart and buy unhappy vaccine and hormone filled meats eggs and milk thats the best thing for ignorant people like U
Very on-target, though as for sharing food from our gardens, a freeconomy etc, if we ignore the root problem of land taxes/costs, those suggestions/experiences will remain unfeasible and impossible on a significant level. Most people dont have the land or time to grow enough veggies for self-sufficiency because they are money/government slaves, forcibly disconnected from the Earth. Tax-free Land as a Human Right is the key, otherwise we cannot escape the unjust restrictions imposed by fascists.
Mr. Farnish should watch Prof. Michio Kaku video in which he explains the 4 levels of civilizations, from zero to 3. Science and technology advancement is badly needed in order to reach level one since we are at level zero. We can not get back to the caves ages as Mr. Farnish suggests.
@acuaman42 If you read my book, acuaman, you will see I quote from Michio Kaku, and have read about his four levels of civilization. I find them depressing and disconnected from what being human is about. Could you ever imagine being just data?
@farnishk Thank you for your advice I will try to read your book. Same for you, read the latest book by Stephen Hawking, THE GRAND DESIGN, I hope you will be able to understand it, and on it he says that we are not even data but just a projection of a quantum field. And also, Hawking writes that we do not even have FREE WILL, because all our apparent thoughts are quantum field interactions. Good Luck.
Talk about a writer who doesn't know how to use words, can't express himself, and has the thought-speed of snail... When you are so incoherent that the interviewer has to put words into your stupid mouth just so the viewers can get a vague idea of what you are mumbling about: it is time to click off this video and decide to NOT buy his book. I know 3rd graders who can think faster than he can and talk better than he can..
@turak0, Don't write off the book without reading it (free on the internet). Especially if you find the ideas intriguing. not everyone who writes well can speak comfortably. I've been to many an author's lecture and found them far better as writers than presenters.
@turak0 That's very rude. Maybe you prefer gabbing off at the speed of sound, but some people prefer to think before they answer. I tell you what, contact me and we'll do a Skype interview - I'll ask some tricky questions about highly significant issues and we'll see how you get on. Then I'll put it up on YouTube and see what other people think of your answers. But I know what your real problem is - you just don't agree with me, so resort to calling me "stupid".
So, by doing a survey> a random uncontrolled opinion poll? Of whoever surf s the internet! You mean all the 10 yr-olds, and druggies and potheads who happen to have a computer and no social life... is how YOU! measure intelligence!? Rather than relying on your own ability to decide what is intelligent and what is not?
All of your words are nothing more then emotive crap, it is not that I disagrese with what you are doing, But just because it feels nice to say or it fits in with your ideology does not mean it is right!
We can have our cake and eat it too. We can reach for the stars and not harm nature. These two things are not at odds. This would be a mistake to look at the problem in that way. I agree that the status quo is a path to death but we must advance and at the same time work with closed system technologies.
This guy just lost all credibility when it was mentioned that he has two girls.
He can yap all he wants with useless generalities about the evils of industrial society. But, when it comes to the one single PRACTICAL thing he can do for a better world - i.e. NOT overpopulate it, NOT have kids - (aside from NOT voting for Demopublicans in the USA or whatever the 2 biggest political parties are in the UK) FAIL!
@deskset24 Really, is just not having kids the ONLY practical thing? How many children in southern India or Vanuatu equate to the *average* child in the USA or the UK? Yes, I quite agree, we need to reduce the population dramatically, but that is often used as an excuse by right-wingers to say: "Those (insert name for foreigner) should stop having so many kids; I only have two", while turning up the air conditioning and filling up their SUVs.
@farnishk Just because right-wingers "use that as an excuse" to then impose it against people based on their stupid xenophobia doesn't mean we shouldn't still fight for it. People fight against rape, by supporting laws against it, even though rightwingers use that as an excuse to imprison black males unjustly,
@farnishk Well, of course, GOING VEGAN is the #1 thing people SHOULD do, and should be required by LAW to do, after #2.
So, does your book express everything out in game theory, and not just require the reader to read, but to do exercises calculating the consequences of all possible sets of choices, and draw general theorems from it?
Or, is it just more philosophizing?
Even *I* shouldn't be responding in these stupid textboxes!
@deskset24 You can read it, if you want: go to timesupbook[dot]com and click on the "read for free" link. I credit people with a certain level of intelligence - quite a lot once the dumb-down influences have been removed; humans did pretty well on Earth before certain people decided they would be in charge.
@deskset24 ...stopped having children a long time ago; and would probably not have them now given what we now know.
And what about the other PRACTICAL things we can do, like undermining the industrial killing machine? Or is that not important, so long as we just have a billion or so American hyper-consumers?
3. The `war on terror' has been used for "collective manipulation by creating phobias and boogeymen". Ok. But why wouldn't this so-called `scarcity' (water, land, resources, etc) not be used for collective manipulation as well? Megacorporations (quite suspiciously) are pushing a militant green agenda. Could there not be `artificial scarcity', hoarding resources, to put a check on India and China? Why are those least responsible (average people), again, expected to pay for the elite's abuses?
@CRAPCANNONS In what way are corporation pushing a "militant green agenda"? I see nothing but greenwash. There is bound to be an attempt at hoarding on a national scale - I would be fascinated to see how that and the global ambitions of corporations plays out. I recommend you read Dmitry Orlov's work on the Soviet Union - people manage surprisingly well.
"In what way are corporation pushing a "militant green agenda"?"
the cap and trade scheme has all the megacorporations on board. also, it was developed by al gore and ken lay (of Enron).
Have you visited Monsanto's website?
"Sustainable agriculture is at the core of Monsanto. We are committed to developing the technologies that enable farmers to produce more crops while conserving more of the natural resources that are essential to their success. By 2030, we will do our part by:"
@CRAPCANNONS Cap and Trade is a political / corporate instrument to keep pollution flowing - there's nothing "militant" and certainly nothing radical about it. What you are talking about is greenwash, which is corporations and politicians (and increasingly NGOs) pretending they are doing good when they are doing nothing but bad. I'm surprised you have fallen for this as you seem to be well informed.
I have not fallen for it at all. I'm saying that, just as punk cd's are now sold in Starbucks, the green paradigm has been infiltrated and coopted by the corporate interests, Cointelpro-style. There is too much at stake for corporations to let the green narrative get away from them. They've weaponized the `green meme' and will effectively pose as the real thing to choke out obstacles, both the true-green and the average people, who they are endeavoring to have turn on each other.
@CRAPCANNONS In that case, you understand the difference between real environmentalism, and fake. I have a whole website about it (The Unsuitablog); it makes for interesting reading, and my friends and colleagues in the efforts we make are not fooled by any of it.
Even when sustainable green living is lived locally and lead by example, there are now laws being pushed through to police small family farms, prohibiting selling your own vegetables, from storing seeds, from collecting rainwater, etc. When asked why these laws are being forced on people they invariably use a `green' argument (as they know the corporate one won't work.)
Hearts and minds. Mrs Obama can photo op a WH vegetable garden as her husband appoints Vilsack to head the USDA.
So we are in agreement at least this far. The question then is how to stop or reverse this, the bait and switch? ex. declaring Eminent Domain on family farms in the name of `sustainability', then selling the land to cronies? Then only answer I see is through the legal system. It takes a long time but it is the only civilized way. The system would have us turn on each other. But that's a trap set for us. This isn't a right-left issue; it's those with all the power vs those with none.
Well Gandhi would say `civilized' draws the line at physically harming individuals and damaging property. All that does is guarantee a backlash that will be swift, much stronger, and with the argument of self-defense on its side, not to mention the inevitable chance of harming innocent bystanders.
By your silence I assume that we do not have the same definition of civilized.
The next step is those Black Bloc folk and their sloppy hooliganism.
After that is Action Direct, Baader Meinhoff, The Weather Underground, Brigate Rosse, Volkert van der Graaf, and now James Jay Lee.
Property damage and murdering people, besides being morally wrong, is ineffective, as, again, the backlash is always twice as hard, followed by infiltration/subversion.
@CRAPCANNONS I was just writing to say I have enjoyed our conversations but I'm going to have to stop because I am incredibly busy; but we can carry on if you have some kind of outlet for our discussion, so that more people can see what we are talking about. A lot of what I am saying is already in my blogs and in Time's Up! (you can read an earlier version on the A Matter of Scale web site) so that might help you understand where I am coming from.
@CRAPCANNONS I also recommend you follow that up with the Earth Blog mini-book "Dispatches from The Earth Blog" which has quite a lot of more detailed, and personal work in it.
@CRAPCANNONS - u need to be very careful anytime u start organising violence, otherwise u run the risk of becoming the evil that u fight.
but u need to realise that calling direct action one thing, and calling the warmongering mass-murdering nature-rapist artificial system that is forced on this planet legit; u lose all credibility to anyone who can think clearly and knows what's going on.
put all u mentioned together - not even as terrorist as 1 road or development being forced in
@farnishk The ways in which the brainless blame the underfunded and powerless movements who fight against problem X with causing X, and with siding with the enemy, is truly inventive. And it never ends.
@CRAPCANNONS - look out your window, chances r all u'll see is nature raped away, rocks that have been blown up and then moved over to where u live, replacing the grass that ought to be there. even if live on a farm, it's probably monocropped and not even organic. & - if ur lucky enough to look out and see&hear planet Earth as it's meant to be, then u must know that doesn't apply to most places on it anymore.
no disrespect but you seem very absolute in your thinking. you seem to think the entire human story should be deleted, rather than simply the abuses of nature- you instead seem to think human life in itself is an abuse. unfortunately that is not unlike what James Jay Lee thought.
You also conflate sustainability with spiritually, which is, well, dangerously cult-like. an individual's spiritual path is their choice. the collective is again confronted by individual will.
@CRAPCANNONS - nope, what u said about me is actually what ur evil cult did. ur the dangerous lunatics who've fucked up the planet and use lies to promote ur delusions that uv done anything but.
kill yourself u lying pile of shit4brains scum. u have no clue how technology is made, u'll never be able to sustain it, ur too stupid.
@randomlaughingman Be a bit careful with the abuse - I know it makes you angry, but put that anger into something creative and effective; like undermining the system.
@farnishk - it works tho. they go into meltdown quicker cause they r programmed to tell lies in the first place and they can't deal with anyone not playing their games like they are real people with a point, cause they sold their souls. they're all the same cult of idiots, they defend that shit cause they're the same ones that forced reality to go that way.
I am trying to keeping things to issues and not namecall. I'm just looking for an answer about large-scale implementation of these ideas or if that is even possible. It's apparent that blind militant idealism (like randomlaughingman's) inevitably turn violent and discredits a movement for everyone else (Action Direct, Baader Meinhoff, etc)
Also, my point was China and India are going full-tilt in the other direction. Without coercion how can they be stopped? They will only resist.
@CRAPCANNONS - well i did say (write) to u, look at how the evil un-natural systems have been forced in. how can u think the right way to do things will be less hard to put back in, than how the wrong way to go about it was forced in - before there were brainwashed people that believe that shit is ok? that's just stupid.
1. I don't have a cult, unless you mean secular humanism, right?
2. Im not quite sure what you mean by dangerous lunatics. could you be a bit more precise?
3. which lies are being promoted? again, please be more specific. i really would like to understand.
We're not in disagreement about the what, but only about the how. But it's plain to see that you have a great deal of murderous aggression in you and will be in the eventual Kibbutz Police. So much for healthy debate.
@CRAPCANNONS - well ur right about one thing, which is odd for ur kind to be right about anything. if there was a kibbutz police yes i'd be in it already, but i'm not a jewbag, same way i'm not a nazi but i'd be in the ss. kill yourself.
@CRAPCANNONS - cause i'm right. and sane people, like me, only care about that, cause even if we see someone telling a cunt they are a cunt, decent people know - there could be any reason for that. so u don't judge someone cause u see them interacting with another in ways that mind-control lies say is always wrong. u'd ask them why they hate that person, and i'm right to hate u liars. u don't even know what i just wrote - i'm having to explain something that easy to u. kill yourself.
2. Such collectivist ideas, even if they are ‘grass-roots’ (though their financing often suggests otherwise), presume that the idea of the individual must change and inevitably dilute to the ‘collective good’. But many individuals would like to be left alone. If s/he refuses to comply with the new way, there is an unspoken given that coercion to comply is ultimately a necessary evil for this collective good. This is dangerously close to Pol Pot's agrarian utopia, which had its share of flaws.
@CRAPCANNONS What do you mean by "financing". Where have I ever mentioned monetary input? There is also no program or deliberate plan to any of my ideas - that's a civilised way of thinking - therefore cannot be coercion.
by "financing" i meant that many earth-first grass roots movements are funded by the largest corporations and ive never understood why, since it appears to stand for everything they claim to be against. so one has to ask questions.
i was debating the ideas. there's nothing wrong the anti-commercial/back to nature philosophy. i was just wondering about implementation. when you have those who refuse to go along you will have problems. i was wondering how you will deal with them.
@CRAPCANNONS Again, that's greenwash you're talking about - these organisation are just trying to prop up their position in the civilised heirarchy, I quite agree, though, that we have to consider the majority of people who won't do anything: I try and make a good fist of that in my book in the chapter called "Making The Change" (also free). Coercion will inevitably lead to unrest; on the other hand social influence could make a huge difference - but only in the absence of disconnecting forces.
@CRAPCANNONS "But many individuals would like to be left alone. If s/he refuses to comply with the new way" - doesn't apply, cause we're forced against our free-wills to live in a reality that's completely destroyed & un-natural. any of the jobs and social systems that ought to exist, they mostly don't. the systems we need for basic survival r all implented wrongly, and they aren't going to last long.
it's not an acceptable situation, the way things r here. not even close.
If the given agreement is that no one is free, then the issue becomes each individual has the right to deal with their bondage in their own way.
I know this is a difficult decision to make precise but ultimately, and as you well know, this majority of 'free thinkers' will have to impose the 'new way' on those who refuse to go along. What if someone refuses to go "fences down"? Coersion- emotional, intellectual, then physical- is inevitable. I'm asking how this is dealt with.
@CRAPCANNONS - put it this way - see what u cunts did to force in ur idiot systems? that, except it'll be forcing in proper ways instead. kill yourself, or wank off to some gundam fantasy u wish would come true, cause skynet the real version is coming as u seem to agree, but u morons won't be controlling it. 'what could possibly go wrong?!' - for u, everything.
1. Technology is not going to just stop because of a paradigm shift. It is, in fact, speeding up and will continue to advance, but will be uncommercialized and hoarded by the select few. Ending bourgeois materialism will not lead to a one-classed loving world-kibbutz, but a two-classed system; the 1% mega-wealthy elites (the very elites who caused the problems in the first place), and the 99% `great unwashed', who will wander shoeless, fighting each other for twigs and berries, The Road-style.
@CRAPCANNONS By definition a paradigm shift will change the way people think; if this shift is with regards to technology then it will change the way people think about technology. Technology cannot be uncommercialised - the nature of technology requires a commercial infrastructure; try making a laptop without an industrial manufacturing base - it can't be done.
it's the "will change" word I doubt a bit. what if it doesn't? what if you have complete globalization, the domestic work force no longer wishes to partake in the old way, but you have billions of poor educated foreigners thankful to take those jobs from you? what is to be done with these 'hold outs'?
"Technology cannot be uncommercialised". Look into cutting edge military technology. It is both 1. highly advance technologically, and 2. never designed for commercial consumption.
@CRAPCANNONS If we have complete globalisation then we are totally screwed, end of. Nothing anyone can do - but at least we won't have long to wait until the end :-(
By "commercial" I am talking about the entire industrial infrastructure - the miltary and the corporate world are intrisically connected (Halliburton, Bechtel, Lockheed etc.) and what do you think pays for all these weapons? That's the apotheosis of commercial, I reckon.
Complete globalization seems to be where everything is tending towards. There is no disincentive to outsource to countries with no labor laws, nor to import illegal immigrants as cheap undocumented labor. These issues are instead hijacked by the left and right as racist or non-racist issues when they are always only economic.
By commercial I meant available to the average consumer. The world of advanced technologies and weapons is its own parallel economy which is unreachable to us.
And again, what do you think will become of this 1% mega-wealthy elite in this new age? will they go along peacefully? or will they, as they always do whether time are good or bad for everyone else, eat drink and be merry and look out for their own? Again, why are those least responsible (average people), expected to pay for the elite's abuses?
@CRAPCANNONS - how r they going to manufacture technology, without the other 99% u mention?!?! do u think they know how to photolith a silicon wafer or maintain the machines that make CPUs for example?! on their own? they're going to grow the crystals, and etch them, after designing a processor....that's just one example. extrapolate it to - everything else, even manufacturing a knife or a nail. no they won't have robots, they can't build or fix them either can they. THINK.
"how r they going to manufacture technology, without the other 99% u mention?"
It's already being done. The system in place is designed to build itself without dependence on a labor force, certainly not one as you imagine it. Look into cutting edge military technology. It is both 1. highly advance technologically, and 2. not designed for commercial consumption.
"they won't have robots"
"they" already have a bottomless supply of cheap grateful labor. that will never change.
@CRAPCANNONS - of course it'll change u idiot. people need certain things to keep them healthy. ur idiot systems have removed all the basics, so they're going to start dropping much quicker over the next few generations anyway. u won't have any workers. u'll have factories and machines that u can't power and u don't know how to operate. go, print off one fucking pcb for ur computer or mobile phone, without all those systems that r about to cave in. moron, u idiots r all the same - delusional.
@CRAPCANNONS "how r they going to manufacture technology, without the other 99% u mention?" - u as all of ur kind failed to deal with the reality of that.
u have robots that go and say, find metal and materials for capacitors, and make those materials, load them into the automated devices that manuf them? no u don't. do u know how complicated a machine is that does easy stuff like fill a can up and then seal it? 1 mm out in calibration and it all falls apart.
@CRAPCANNONS - ur completely unrealistic, u think robots come off of spaceships and work for humans?!
they're machines too, u need robots - designed and maintained by humans, who have to be very good at engineering computing etc - that requires a good schooling system - and u need things to build them with, software writers, component manufacture, PCB manuf. - to build robots.
ur dreaming. i like cyberpunk too, but as fiction. it doesn't pan out in reality.
@CRAPCANNONS - stop with technology entirely, or...not sure what u mean.
the resources r running out anyway, it's not sustainable enough to go on much longer, plus people r getting dumber, there won't be enough left who understand anything, they already can't run the basic systems without computers.
How are you supposed to recognize the complete lack of freedom and then continue living, aren't we just helpless? Embracing it just causes me pain and unhappiness.
@ortsa123 Don't embrace the system, but recognise it for what it is, and find as many ways as possible to separate yourself from it - ideally taking others along with you. We are certainly not helpless as those in power would like us to believe - it's all part of the power game making people feel helpless.
Lets collaborate on a global scale to create abundance, sustainability, and well being for all. We can do it. We have the ability. Let's align our way of life with the current collective capabilities of man for social concern.
I think Keith hit the nail on the head in many regards. Good on you, Keith.
I just saw the recent Yes Men Fix The World, too, which you can download for free at Vodo.
I seem to recall Derrick Jensen (do a search on YT, with "This Means War" in quotes) suggesting subverting 'the system' in ways that are comfortable to each person, whether it's blowing up dams, making thoughtful sociopolitical graffiti, bartering, gardening and/or joining the Permaculture/Transition movement and/or an ecovillage.
@Glomerol Thanks, Derrick has been a big influence on my work, and there are lots of people branching 'off from his ideas to find their own way of doing things. It's a terrific adventure; frightening, enthralling and life-affirming all at once.
Thanks for the Yes Men tip, too - was wondering where to get it.
Industrial civilization isn't going foward as alot people would like to believe. Sustainability is the only way of a good future for humans and the planet. Industrial civilization has no proven track record of lasting 10.000 years, 1.000 years, it won't even last 50 more years from now. People love to talk about all this progress but the reality is we can't even rise above war, crime, poverty, greed, and disease. I'm sorry but i don't really see humanity as a whole PROGRESSING!
@MrElektrolyt Can't adapt? Well I congratulate you on developing gills and USB powered limbs; but I think I prefer plugging into something a bit more natural in the long term.
11.20 it's the faux freedom of consumer choice - but the implied agreement is that you shut up, obey the rules and don't ask questions that mean anything....
the freedoms that allow us to go to the mall and buy a whole bunch of useless stuff is not freedom at all- the idea that the market can control all aspects of our lives is the most insane vision right up there with the vision that there is a celestial being watching your life choices 24hrs a day and if you act wrong you will go to hell!!
Here is a little test if you want to find out how much FREEDOM you really have in America. If u want to see how FREE you are in America today try this at your own peril :1) do not pay Federal Income Taxes go to Jail free card,2) refuse to pay Sales Tax you can't make the purchase 3) refuse to pay Property Taxes they take your land 4) Refuse to buy License Plates for your car You can't drive legally 5) Refuse to pay your Mortgage they take your house and kick you out in the street 6)refuse to bu
Freedom is an illusion u are told you have freedom but you are actually as much a slave as anyone at any point in history has ever been. We are just being tricked into believing we have choice and freedom but the truth is we are steered toward what the man behind the curtain wants us to do.
Ok now listen this guy is a part of the problem he is railing against. He wrote a book that is published by a company that buys the paper from a company that cut down a tree in the rain forest for his book to be printed on it is a profit chain at the expense of our planet for the continuance of the same unsustainable consumerism he and you are trying to end ? The problem in the world today is not that the gulf between the rich and the poor , the have's and the have nots is getting bigger and bi
@mythic89 Actually, the book is printed from 100% recycled paper, by a company that makes minimal profit - which allowed me to also publish the book online for free. I have made no money from the book, and always ask people to go to the online version first when I have the option.
Just thought you should know, because assumptions can be very dangerous things.
I have always wondered what percentage of purchases made in the west are strictly "necessary". Leading from that, take account of the number of working hours used up. Would it be fair to say that a large part of the world's population are working to make things that people don't need, time that could be productively used to improve personal development and family ties. We're product-rich and time poor in the West, even though technology should be used to liberate us from work, not enslave us.
civilization is not the problem. fossil fuel use is the problem. Only free markets can allow for the the most efficient allocation of resources into the various alternative energies to compensate for a ban on fossil fuel energy. if the switch to non-fossil fuel energies is not done as efficeintly as possible, it is less likely to happen at all until the time we run out and it's too late. but it's too late already.
it is the embracing of the Buddha mind- the meta mind- the acceptance of the interdependent nature of our existence-
this is the Dharma the dependent co arising , this is perceiving all existence as a dynamic self sustaining web of relations- the flowering interaction of things as they provide occasion and context fro each other's emergence and subsiding- each as real as the air each as transient as a moment
The movie Time Machine comes to mind. There is no way to totally expunge the vast knowledge humans have compiled to date; ensuring it does not demise to humans who will exist far into the future. One must conclude, to avoid a divide between those who seek and covet knowledge from those who are kept ignorant and oppressed by it, is to ensure perpetual universal access to the same compendium of knowledge. Don`t think The Borg from Star Trek, think Jedi permacultualists with internet.
We do not need all the plastic toys in wal-mart, nor the mountains of garbage in the isles of costco, nor the designer purses etc... Our own consumption is killing us. Our egos are killing us. Our greed is killing others. There is a monumental chasm between need and want!
If things went back to the way they were, ie; primitive living, there would be no need for BP to drill holes a mile beneath the ocean surface. If people would just be happy with a more simple, less luxurious way of living then we could be freed from the shackles of "economic addiction". And if we went back to our connection with our planet, we would do better as a whole instead of heads of industry and state living like kings while the masses toil in the fields. Even your health could be better
increasing polution is from an increase in people. hey get rid of the people and alot of the polution will go away. that wont work either, so I think we should make our foot print lighter on the enviorment but to totally go back to the begining it would never happen. I agree. I love going in to the garden and conecting with the earth but not everyone is going to do this.If we could change the minds of a few that will do more good then trying to get to the masses.do what u want hurt no one wicca?
I get it, I love it, but it seems to bypass some rather dark realities of human nature have been omitted, namely Pol Pot, Stalin, etc. We have to consider the fact that not all wish to live this way and some of them are as close to evil as I could ever imagine. If there would be a collapse...evil people will still be around, humans will do exactly as he says kill either globally and/or locally that is the part that just scares the hell out of me
@yonny1954 We can use that fear constructively; our fears are sometimes the drive that creates change, and have to also make the most of the few freedoms we have left before any dissidence is made a crime against the state.
people have been saying these things for over 40 years - nothing will change - economies will grow, populations will grow - the planet will adapt and we will use technology to power us forward .. the glass is 3/4 full.
Did it ever occur to you that even if we did grow and adapt with no restrictions that pretty soon there will be no wilderness left? It would be like Corouscant in the Star Wars universe. One big city. Is that your idea of "mission accomplished"?
@mos6507 I know Derrick a little, and admire his work, but I think he can sometimes alienate people with his personal views; I'm glad you recognised the distinction, although radicalism doesn't have to be obvious ;-)
@PathofTorah4life We don't! Bacteria free living is what breeds super-diseases, we need a certain amount of exposure to the nasties to keep our immune systems up. And we wouldn't have to chemically sanitize our water if we weren't constantly polluting it. Nothing in Nature is sterile.
@PathofTorah4life Which is why I say in my book that the ability to manage sanitation is one of the key skills for survival that we must carry forwards...
@farnishk - I haven't read your book, but plan to. I'm also in the UK and struggling to come to terms with and reconcile my current way of life with my deep ecological feelings. Something has to give.
@ecraftsmen Thanks very much; as a good friend of mine said, "There is always a payoff" - follow your instincts rather than what the culture tells you, and let me know how you are getting on,
The stone age is pretty much where we're going, we don't have choice, so we'd better get used to it. But it will be better due the the knowledge we'll take with us.
don't forget that idealist are not bad they just need to be taken lightly. A guy like this is not all wrong he is just way down his own rabbit hole. Take from it what helps you and don't get crazy about what may seem like foolishness.
Me I have plans that will help stop pollution and yet allow the manufacture of goods and products that we will need unless you plan on moving into a cave.
One of the good things that I plan on doing is recycling old ships so that they are not rotting into the sea
0:33 "[...] because it's probably the only chance we have to save humanity from our own destructive behavior."
ejsd. org/public/journal_article/16
"The notion of a centrally directed social order brings with it an implicit elitism. Simon rejected the notion that social elites should act as central planners for the less-educated masses who need guidance in their daily lives because they are unable to make sense of the great picture by themselves. He suspected that this implicit assumption
"fueled the attitude of many intellectuals and educated people. Yet, these people are rarely open enough, while being politically astute enough, to admit to their belief that “trained intellects” should have an assured position of control in society. Their lack of confidence in the abilities of the poor to run their own lives is a function of their own ignorance of daily resourcefulness, creativity, and ingenuity of people in day-to-day business, and that the uneducated and poor "can really
""create resources by way of creating new ideas". Failing to understand these simple facts betrays a flawed understanding of society and becomes yet another powerful impediment to clear thinking about population and resources issues (Simon 1999, pp. 41)."
""humans’ activities tend to increase the order and decrease the randomness of nature. . . . Humans perceive order, and create it.""
money is not the problem, it's the control over the quantaty of money, who controls the quantaty rules within a civilisation. within a fractual banking system where privat corperate enteties creat 95% of all money via debt .... history repeats. The good old Tali Sticks worked for over 700 years. But this little fact has been scratched out of history books and therefore is not being tought in schools anymore! Who controls the quantity of a Money system can do what they want.
Peak Moment TV is categorically the best video series around that discuses’ all the important issues today. They are second to absolutely none. Such a great variety of opinions and slants and so many diverse topics...wonderful...bountiful...profound and above all inspiring for us all, as they show that we can live in a different more Earth friendly manner.
ammachi3 2 months ago
@ 23:00 "we don't need money in-between. We don't need interest. We don't need corporations gaining profit. " I love it!!! He’s is so right. The way we operate is totally insane and ridiculous it’s actually probably a really live miracle that we got this far with such an absurd mode of living!!!
ammachi3 2 months ago
@ammachi3 Thank you.
farnishk 3 weeks ago
It is do or die, sink or swim, we must change our way of living on Earth or perish while potentially bringing down many other living beings with us. It is a very serious situation and one that requires a high degree of maturity and sense of responsibility if we are to make adequate changes in time.
ammachi3 2 months ago
what this man says is a very accurate and simple cimmentary on how the a lot of people live in todays world. Its sad, but its the stark truth. I hope more people can become informed enough through meduims like Peak Moment TV to that they can have the courage to change to a low-impact, self-sufficant and localised mode of living on Earth. One that is based on real and close raltionship to the people and planetary life supporting systems we have around us.
ammachi3 2 months ago
wish i was there -beautiful birds and trees nice ideas -cheers*
acent2112 4 months ago
nature is not your friend
nature would put your life expectancy at 25
technology is your TRUE friend
matchbox555 5 months ago
@matchbox555 Archeology is not your strong point, matchbox. The lowest historical life expectancies in history are now being experienced in sub-Saharan and East Africa due to HIV, war and famine. These conditions can all be traced back to the activities of industrial civilization - yes, even HIV, which is prevalent due to mysogenistic behaviour unknown in non-civilized societies. Typical life expectancies in the same parts of the world in non-civilized tribes are far higher.
farnishk 5 months ago
@farnishk wow what a wacko you are
HIV was caused by gay people and the technology of the condom prevents it
famine is caused by their lack of agricultural technology
war is caused by their lack of education and brutal culture (think rwanda)
go live there if its so great, enjoy your mud hut and shitting in a hole
this guy in the video reminds me of the unabomber
matchbox555 5 months ago
@matchbox555 Hello matchbox, am I the Unabomber, then? Yes, look at the names.
You, on the other hand are a homophobic idiot. HIV caused by gay people?!! So all the kids and women dying of AIDS in Africa have been infected by gay men have they?
P.S. Which non-civilized cultures manufacture guns?
farnishk 5 months ago
@farnishk
they don't manufacture guns because they don't have the ability not because they are "nicer".
we in the west are the most moral ethical civilization ever formed.. however we still more improvement left to do.
in the meantime let me refer you to this video >>> watch?v=1Lv-dVk_bPo
matchbox555 5 months ago
@matchbox555 I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you *can* be a decent person, though the "gay" slur was unpleasant. All I have to say on the means by which we are made to behave in certain ways is in my new book, "Underminers". Go to chapter two. This link should work:
underminers[dot]org/the-book/chapter-2-part-1
farnishk 5 months ago
@matchbox555 I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you *can* be a decent person, though the "gay" slur was unpleasant. All I have to say on the means by which we are made to behave in certain ways is in my new book, "Underminers". Search for "underminers chapter 2" on Google, that will take you there. K.
farnishk 5 months ago
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@matchbox555 I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you *can* be a decent person, though the "gay" slur was unpleasant. All I have to say on the means by which we are made to behave in certain ways is in my new book, Underminers. Search for "underminers chapter 2" on Google, that will take you there. K.
farnishk 5 months ago
That definition of freedom is the best that I've heard and I think more people need to hear and understand it
MrBurtley 7 months ago
our happy lil farm, You could buy meat that has been fed cardboard and chicken shit. beef that has never even seen real grass or an open pasture. these animals are healthy and happy and giving an animal a name and a happy life doesnt give it any greater value. like our animals they only have one bad second in their life and then are enjoyed as food as they were in life. so go to walmart and buy unhappy vaccine and hormone filled meats eggs and milk thats the best thing for ignorant people like U
pisalarker 7 months ago
our happy lil farm, You could by meat that has been feed cardboard and chicken shit. beef that has never even seen real grass or an open pasture. these animals are healthy and happy and giving an animal a name and a happy life doesnt give it any greater value. like our animals they only have one bad second in their life and then are enjoyed as food as they were in life. so go to walmart and buy unhappy vaccine and hormone filled meats eggs and milk thats the best thing for ignorant people like U
pisalarker 7 months ago
In an ideal world this will work unfortunately is not possible in the real one and mostly because bad education and some time genetics.
electrodacus 8 months ago
Very on-target, though as for sharing food from our gardens, a freeconomy etc, if we ignore the root problem of land taxes/costs, those suggestions/experiences will remain unfeasible and impossible on a significant level. Most people dont have the land or time to grow enough veggies for self-sufficiency because they are money/government slaves, forcibly disconnected from the Earth. Tax-free Land as a Human Right is the key, otherwise we cannot escape the unjust restrictions imposed by fascists.
8foldpath4peace 10 months ago
Mr. Farnish should watch Prof. Michio Kaku video in which he explains the 4 levels of civilizations, from zero to 3. Science and technology advancement is badly needed in order to reach level one since we are at level zero. We can not get back to the caves ages as Mr. Farnish suggests.
acuaman42 10 months ago
@acuaman42 If you read my book, acuaman, you will see I quote from Michio Kaku, and have read about his four levels of civilization. I find them depressing and disconnected from what being human is about. Could you ever imagine being just data?
farnishk 9 months ago
@farnishk Thank you for your advice I will try to read your book. Same for you, read the latest book by Stephen Hawking, THE GRAND DESIGN, I hope you will be able to understand it, and on it he says that we are not even data but just a projection of a quantum field. And also, Hawking writes that we do not even have FREE WILL, because all our apparent thoughts are quantum field interactions. Good Luck.
acuaman42 9 months ago
Talk about a writer who doesn't know how to use words, can't express himself, and has the thought-speed of snail... When you are so incoherent that the interviewer has to put words into your stupid mouth just so the viewers can get a vague idea of what you are mumbling about: it is time to click off this video and decide to NOT buy his book. I know 3rd graders who can think faster than he can and talk better than he can..
turak0 11 months ago
@turak0, Don't write off the book without reading it (free on the internet). Especially if you find the ideas intriguing. not everyone who writes well can speak comfortably. I've been to many an author's lecture and found them far better as writers than presenters.
peakmoment 11 months ago
@peakmoment I am a writer: Only idiots who can't think and can't write talk like this dolt.
Since you are happy with the mediocre garbage he writes:you do not know what writing is..
Read Stendahl's 'Scarlet and Black ' in the Penguin edition. That will teach you what writing is.
If you want to learn what thinking is: read my book. Which will be coming out soon.
turak0 11 months ago
@turak0 I look forward to your excellent book. Please post when you have published it.
farnishk 9 months ago
@turak0 That's very rude. Maybe you prefer gabbing off at the speed of sound, but some people prefer to think before they answer. I tell you what, contact me and we'll do a Skype interview - I'll ask some tricky questions about highly significant issues and we'll see how you get on. Then I'll put it up on YouTube and see what other people think of your answers. But I know what your real problem is - you just don't agree with me, so resort to calling me "stupid".
farnishk 9 months ago
@farnishk
So, by doing a survey> a random uncontrolled opinion poll? Of whoever surf s the internet! You mean all the 10 yr-olds, and druggies and potheads who happen to have a computer and no social life... is how YOU! measure intelligence!? Rather than relying on your own ability to decide what is intelligent and what is not?
HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HAQ!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA
turak0 9 months ago
@farnishk
If you want to measure intelligence by how 'polite' or how 'rude' a person is...
Then : the Queen of England MUST be the most intelligent human on earth!
And George Carlin MUST be the most stupid person on earth!
HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!
turak0 9 months ago
@turak0 [Yawn]
farnishk 9 months ago
@farnishk That is what dummies do: go to sleep dummy.
When you can't answer: just shut up.
There are millions of egotistical assholes like you.
They do exactly the same thing you do.
Words cannot describe how boringly predictable your denial is.
turak0 9 months ago
@turak0 [grin]
farnishk 9 months ago
@turak0 OK where is YOUR book, and what is YOUR contribution, solution ????
sherkhan17 7 months ago
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farnishk 3 weeks ago
@turak0 Good questions deserve good answers, that's called respect, and I respect Janaia greatly.
farnishk 3 weeks ago
All of your words are nothing more then emotive crap, it is not that I disagrese with what you are doing, But just because it feels nice to say or it fits in with your ideology does not mean it is right!
blaiko 1 year ago
@blaiko Hello. In what way am I wrong, blaiko?
farnishk 1 year ago
@blaiko
Little idiot:
I have no ideology: you do.
Your ideology is: the dumbest idiots on internet forums are the best evaluators of human intelligence.
YOU! on the other hand,... are even STUPIDER than they are! You need to rely on random opinion polls to decide anything!
Do you have any idea of how totally insane that is?
Of course not. That's why you're posts are so funny.
Go back to kindergarten little baby: you can't even write a simple paragraph correctly.
turak0 9 months ago
What are the scientific qualifications of this man to talk about the environment and how to solve our problems?
acuaman42 1 year ago
@acuaman42 Hello troll. Still haven't answered any of my questions on my other video, have you?
farnishk 1 year ago
@farnishk No I have not answered it because you have blockade my name. Are you affraid of people's ideas contrary to yours?
acuaman42 10 months ago
We can have our cake and eat it too. We can reach for the stars and not harm nature. These two things are not at odds. This would be a mistake to look at the problem in that way. I agree that the status quo is a path to death but we must advance and at the same time work with closed system technologies.
zigzigerblat 1 year ago
brilliant, three thumbs up!!
permacultureli 1 year ago
This guy just lost all credibility when it was mentioned that he has two girls.
He can yap all he wants with useless generalities about the evils of industrial society. But, when it comes to the one single PRACTICAL thing he can do for a better world - i.e. NOT overpopulate it, NOT have kids - (aside from NOT voting for Demopublicans in the USA or whatever the 2 biggest political parties are in the UK) FAIL!
deskset24 1 year ago
@deskset24 Really, is just not having kids the ONLY practical thing? How many children in southern India or Vanuatu equate to the *average* child in the USA or the UK? Yes, I quite agree, we need to reduce the population dramatically, but that is often used as an excuse by right-wingers to say: "Those (insert name for foreigner) should stop having so many kids; I only have two", while turning up the air conditioning and filling up their SUVs.
N.B. If you read my book, you will see that we...
farnishk 1 year ago
@farnishk Just because right-wingers "use that as an excuse" to then impose it against people based on their stupid xenophobia doesn't mean we shouldn't still fight for it. People fight against rape, by supporting laws against it, even though rightwingers use that as an excuse to imprison black males unjustly,
but rape is still bad.
deskset24 1 year ago
@farnishk
FYI: I make no distinction between civilians vs soldiers blowing things up.
The only distinctions that matter is the good outweighing the bad to those who deserve it.
deskset24 1 year ago
@farnishk Well, of course, GOING VEGAN is the #1 thing people SHOULD do, and should be required by LAW to do, after #2.
So, does your book express everything out in game theory, and not just require the reader to read, but to do exercises calculating the consequences of all possible sets of choices, and draw general theorems from it?
Or, is it just more philosophizing?
Even *I* shouldn't be responding in these stupid textboxes!
deskset24 1 year ago
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farnishk 1 year ago
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@deskset24 You can read it, if you want: go to timesupbook[dot]com and click on the "read for free" link. I credit people with a certain level of intelligence - quite a lot once the dumb-down influences have been removed; humans did pretty well on Earth before certain people decided they would be in charge.
farnishk 1 year ago
@deskset24 ...stopped having children a long time ago; and would probably not have them now given what we now know.
And what about the other PRACTICAL things we can do, like undermining the industrial killing machine? Or is that not important, so long as we just have a billion or so American hyper-consumers?
farnishk 1 year ago
@farnishk Hey - I'm all for blowing that up!
deskset24 1 year ago
@deskset24 I wouldn't encourage blowing things up, unless you know it won't harm anyone; but feel free to be creative.
farnishk 1 year ago
in other words, what he is saying, is we can still have mass consumption . (like he said we can still feel comfortable) WHAT A JOKE HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
stonerj0e 1 year ago
@stonerj0e Am I? That would be entirely down to your system-created perception of the word "comfortable".
farnishk 1 year ago
3. The `war on terror' has been used for "collective manipulation by creating phobias and boogeymen". Ok. But why wouldn't this so-called `scarcity' (water, land, resources, etc) not be used for collective manipulation as well? Megacorporations (quite suspiciously) are pushing a militant green agenda. Could there not be `artificial scarcity', hoarding resources, to put a check on India and China? Why are those least responsible (average people), again, expected to pay for the elite's abuses?
CRAPCANNONS 1 year ago
@CRAPCANNONS In what way are corporation pushing a "militant green agenda"? I see nothing but greenwash. There is bound to be an attempt at hoarding on a national scale - I would be fascinated to see how that and the global ambitions of corporations plays out. I recommend you read Dmitry Orlov's work on the Soviet Union - people manage surprisingly well.
farnishk 1 year ago
@farnishk
"In what way are corporation pushing a "militant green agenda"?"
the cap and trade scheme has all the megacorporations on board. also, it was developed by al gore and ken lay (of Enron).
Have you visited Monsanto's website?
"Sustainable agriculture is at the core of Monsanto. We are committed to developing the technologies that enable farmers to produce more crops while conserving more of the natural resources that are essential to their success. By 2030, we will do our part by:"
CRAPCANNONS 1 year ago
@CRAPCANNONS Cap and Trade is a political / corporate instrument to keep pollution flowing - there's nothing "militant" and certainly nothing radical about it. What you are talking about is greenwash, which is corporations and politicians (and increasingly NGOs) pretending they are doing good when they are doing nothing but bad. I'm surprised you have fallen for this as you seem to be well informed.
farnishk 1 year ago
@farnishk
I have not fallen for it at all. I'm saying that, just as punk cd's are now sold in Starbucks, the green paradigm has been infiltrated and coopted by the corporate interests, Cointelpro-style. There is too much at stake for corporations to let the green narrative get away from them. They've weaponized the `green meme' and will effectively pose as the real thing to choke out obstacles, both the true-green and the average people, who they are endeavoring to have turn on each other.
CRAPCANNONS 1 year ago
@CRAPCANNONS In that case, you understand the difference between real environmentalism, and fake. I have a whole website about it (The Unsuitablog); it makes for interesting reading, and my friends and colleagues in the efforts we make are not fooled by any of it.
farnishk 1 year ago
@farnishk
I'll check it out. Thanks.
CRAPCANNONS 1 year ago
@farnishk
Even when sustainable green living is lived locally and lead by example, there are now laws being pushed through to police small family farms, prohibiting selling your own vegetables, from storing seeds, from collecting rainwater, etc. When asked why these laws are being forced on people they invariably use a `green' argument (as they know the corporate one won't work.)
Hearts and minds. Mrs Obama can photo op a WH vegetable garden as her husband appoints Vilsack to head the USDA.
CRAPCANNONS 1 year ago
@CRAPCANNONS Spot on; you are discovering the system is the same all over ;-)
farnishk 1 year ago
@farnishk
So we are in agreement at least this far. The question then is how to stop or reverse this, the bait and switch? ex. declaring Eminent Domain on family farms in the name of `sustainability', then selling the land to cronies? Then only answer I see is through the legal system. It takes a long time but it is the only civilized way. The system would have us turn on each other. But that's a trap set for us. This isn't a right-left issue; it's those with all the power vs those with none.
CRAPCANNONS 1 year ago
@CRAPCANNONS But who says we have to be civilised?
farnishk 1 year ago
@farnishk
Well Gandhi would say `civilized' draws the line at physically harming individuals and damaging property. All that does is guarantee a backlash that will be swift, much stronger, and with the argument of self-defense on its side, not to mention the inevitable chance of harming innocent bystanders.
Why, how would you define civilized?
CRAPCANNONS 1 year ago
@farnishk
By your silence I assume that we do not have the same definition of civilized.
The next step is those Black Bloc folk and their sloppy hooliganism.
After that is Action Direct, Baader Meinhoff, The Weather Underground, Brigate Rosse, Volkert van der Graaf, and now James Jay Lee.
Property damage and murdering people, besides being morally wrong, is ineffective, as, again, the backlash is always twice as hard, followed by infiltration/subversion.
saw the blog btw. very interesting.
CRAPCANNONS 1 year ago
@CRAPCANNONS I sent you a message a couple of hours ago; please read. K
farnishk 1 year ago
@farnishk
Oh sorry. Checked my PM inbox but couldnt see it. Could you please send again? Thanks.
CRAPCANNONS 1 year ago
@CRAPCANNONS Can't send you messages. Will try here.
farnishk 1 year ago
@CRAPCANNONS I was just writing to say I have enjoyed our conversations but I'm going to have to stop because I am incredibly busy; but we can carry on if you have some kind of outlet for our discussion, so that more people can see what we are talking about. A lot of what I am saying is already in my blogs and in Time's Up! (you can read an earlier version on the A Matter of Scale web site) so that might help you understand where I am coming from.
farnishk 1 year ago
@farnishk
Understood. Good chat. I hope I was not too brusque in my strident insistence on clarification.
Thanks
Reg
CRAPCANNONS 1 year ago
@CRAPCANNONS I also recommend you follow that up with the Earth Blog mini-book "Dispatches from The Earth Blog" which has quite a lot of more detailed, and personal work in it.
Thanks
Keith
farnishk 1 year ago
@CRAPCANNONS - u need to be very careful anytime u start organising violence, otherwise u run the risk of becoming the evil that u fight.
but u need to realise that calling direct action one thing, and calling the warmongering mass-murdering nature-rapist artificial system that is forced on this planet legit; u lose all credibility to anyone who can think clearly and knows what's going on.
put all u mentioned together - not even as terrorist as 1 road or development being forced in
randomlaughingman 1 year ago
@farnishk The ways in which the brainless blame the underfunded and powerless movements who fight against problem X with causing X, and with siding with the enemy, is truly inventive. And it never ends.
deskset24 1 year ago
@CRAPCANNONS - look out your window, chances r all u'll see is nature raped away, rocks that have been blown up and then moved over to where u live, replacing the grass that ought to be there. even if live on a farm, it's probably monocropped and not even organic. & - if ur lucky enough to look out and see&hear planet Earth as it's meant to be, then u must know that doesn't apply to most places on it anymore.
unsustainable living = spiritually corrupt.
randomlaughingman 1 year ago
@randomlaughingman
no disrespect but you seem very absolute in your thinking. you seem to think the entire human story should be deleted, rather than simply the abuses of nature- you instead seem to think human life in itself is an abuse. unfortunately that is not unlike what James Jay Lee thought.
You also conflate sustainability with spiritually, which is, well, dangerously cult-like. an individual's spiritual path is their choice. the collective is again confronted by individual will.
CRAPCANNONS 1 year ago
@CRAPCANNONS - nope, what u said about me is actually what ur evil cult did. ur the dangerous lunatics who've fucked up the planet and use lies to promote ur delusions that uv done anything but.
kill yourself u lying pile of shit4brains scum. u have no clue how technology is made, u'll never be able to sustain it, ur too stupid.
randomlaughingman 1 year ago
@randomlaughingman Be a bit careful with the abuse - I know it makes you angry, but put that anger into something creative and effective; like undermining the system.
farnishk 1 year ago
@farnishk - it works tho. they go into meltdown quicker cause they r programmed to tell lies in the first place and they can't deal with anyone not playing their games like they are real people with a point, cause they sold their souls. they're all the same cult of idiots, they defend that shit cause they're the same ones that forced reality to go that way.
randomlaughingman 1 year ago
@farnishk
I am trying to keeping things to issues and not namecall. I'm just looking for an answer about large-scale implementation of these ideas or if that is even possible. It's apparent that blind militant idealism (like randomlaughingman's) inevitably turn violent and discredits a movement for everyone else (Action Direct, Baader Meinhoff, etc)
Also, my point was China and India are going full-tilt in the other direction. Without coercion how can they be stopped? They will only resist.
CRAPCANNONS 1 year ago
@CRAPCANNONS - well i did say (write) to u, look at how the evil un-natural systems have been forced in. how can u think the right way to do things will be less hard to put back in, than how the wrong way to go about it was forced in - before there were brainwashed people that believe that shit is ok? that's just stupid.
randomlaughingman 1 year ago
@randomlaughingman
1. I don't have a cult, unless you mean secular humanism, right?
2. Im not quite sure what you mean by dangerous lunatics. could you be a bit more precise?
3. which lies are being promoted? again, please be more specific. i really would like to understand.
We're not in disagreement about the what, but only about the how. But it's plain to see that you have a great deal of murderous aggression in you and will be in the eventual Kibbutz Police. So much for healthy debate.
CRAPCANNONS 1 year ago
@CRAPCANNONS - well ur right about one thing, which is odd for ur kind to be right about anything. if there was a kibbutz police yes i'd be in it already, but i'm not a jewbag, same way i'm not a nazi but i'd be in the ss. kill yourself.
randomlaughingman 1 year ago
@randomlaughingman
Why would anyone ever listen to you, even if you were right?
You are not a very nice person.
And you discredit this cause with your ugly aggression.
Good day.
CRAPCANNONS 1 year ago
@CRAPCANNONS - cause i'm right. and sane people, like me, only care about that, cause even if we see someone telling a cunt they are a cunt, decent people know - there could be any reason for that. so u don't judge someone cause u see them interacting with another in ways that mind-control lies say is always wrong. u'd ask them why they hate that person, and i'm right to hate u liars. u don't even know what i just wrote - i'm having to explain something that easy to u. kill yourself.
randomlaughingman 1 year ago
2. Such collectivist ideas, even if they are ‘grass-roots’ (though their financing often suggests otherwise), presume that the idea of the individual must change and inevitably dilute to the ‘collective good’. But many individuals would like to be left alone. If s/he refuses to comply with the new way, there is an unspoken given that coercion to comply is ultimately a necessary evil for this collective good. This is dangerously close to Pol Pot's agrarian utopia, which had its share of flaws.
CRAPCANNONS 1 year ago
@CRAPCANNONS What do you mean by "financing". Where have I ever mentioned monetary input? There is also no program or deliberate plan to any of my ideas - that's a civilised way of thinking - therefore cannot be coercion.
farnishk 1 year ago
@farnishk
by "financing" i meant that many earth-first grass roots movements are funded by the largest corporations and ive never understood why, since it appears to stand for everything they claim to be against. so one has to ask questions.
i was debating the ideas. there's nothing wrong the anti-commercial/back to nature philosophy. i was just wondering about implementation. when you have those who refuse to go along you will have problems. i was wondering how you will deal with them.
CRAPCANNONS 1 year ago
@CRAPCANNONS Again, that's greenwash you're talking about - these organisation are just trying to prop up their position in the civilised heirarchy, I quite agree, though, that we have to consider the majority of people who won't do anything: I try and make a good fist of that in my book in the chapter called "Making The Change" (also free). Coercion will inevitably lead to unrest; on the other hand social influence could make a huge difference - but only in the absence of disconnecting forces.
farnishk 1 year ago
@CRAPCANNONS "But many individuals would like to be left alone. If s/he refuses to comply with the new way" - doesn't apply, cause we're forced against our free-wills to live in a reality that's completely destroyed & un-natural. any of the jobs and social systems that ought to exist, they mostly don't. the systems we need for basic survival r all implented wrongly, and they aren't going to last long.
it's not an acceptable situation, the way things r here. not even close.
randomlaughingman 1 year ago
@randomlaughingman
If the given agreement is that no one is free, then the issue becomes each individual has the right to deal with their bondage in their own way.
I know this is a difficult decision to make precise but ultimately, and as you well know, this majority of 'free thinkers' will have to impose the 'new way' on those who refuse to go along. What if someone refuses to go "fences down"? Coersion- emotional, intellectual, then physical- is inevitable. I'm asking how this is dealt with.
CRAPCANNONS 1 year ago
@CRAPCANNONS - put it this way - see what u cunts did to force in ur idiot systems? that, except it'll be forcing in proper ways instead. kill yourself, or wank off to some gundam fantasy u wish would come true, cause skynet the real version is coming as u seem to agree, but u morons won't be controlling it. 'what could possibly go wrong?!' - for u, everything.
randomlaughingman 1 year ago
1. Technology is not going to just stop because of a paradigm shift. It is, in fact, speeding up and will continue to advance, but will be uncommercialized and hoarded by the select few. Ending bourgeois materialism will not lead to a one-classed loving world-kibbutz, but a two-classed system; the 1% mega-wealthy elites (the very elites who caused the problems in the first place), and the 99% `great unwashed', who will wander shoeless, fighting each other for twigs and berries, The Road-style.
CRAPCANNONS 1 year ago
@CRAPCANNONS By definition a paradigm shift will change the way people think; if this shift is with regards to technology then it will change the way people think about technology. Technology cannot be uncommercialised - the nature of technology requires a commercial infrastructure; try making a laptop without an industrial manufacturing base - it can't be done.
farnishk 1 year ago
@farnishk
it's the "will change" word I doubt a bit. what if it doesn't? what if you have complete globalization, the domestic work force no longer wishes to partake in the old way, but you have billions of poor educated foreigners thankful to take those jobs from you? what is to be done with these 'hold outs'?
"Technology cannot be uncommercialised". Look into cutting edge military technology. It is both 1. highly advance technologically, and 2. never designed for commercial consumption.
CRAPCANNONS 1 year ago
@CRAPCANNONS If we have complete globalisation then we are totally screwed, end of. Nothing anyone can do - but at least we won't have long to wait until the end :-(
By "commercial" I am talking about the entire industrial infrastructure - the miltary and the corporate world are intrisically connected (Halliburton, Bechtel, Lockheed etc.) and what do you think pays for all these weapons? That's the apotheosis of commercial, I reckon.
farnishk 1 year ago
@farnishk
Complete globalization seems to be where everything is tending towards. There is no disincentive to outsource to countries with no labor laws, nor to import illegal immigrants as cheap undocumented labor. These issues are instead hijacked by the left and right as racist or non-racist issues when they are always only economic.
By commercial I meant available to the average consumer. The world of advanced technologies and weapons is its own parallel economy which is unreachable to us.
CRAPCANNONS 1 year ago
@farnishk
And again, what do you think will become of this 1% mega-wealthy elite in this new age? will they go along peacefully? or will they, as they always do whether time are good or bad for everyone else, eat drink and be merry and look out for their own? Again, why are those least responsible (average people), expected to pay for the elite's abuses?
CRAPCANNONS 1 year ago
@CRAPCANNONS - how r they going to manufacture technology, without the other 99% u mention?!?! do u think they know how to photolith a silicon wafer or maintain the machines that make CPUs for example?! on their own? they're going to grow the crystals, and etch them, after designing a processor....that's just one example. extrapolate it to - everything else, even manufacturing a knife or a nail. no they won't have robots, they can't build or fix them either can they. THINK.
randomlaughingman 1 year ago
@randomlaughingman
"how r they going to manufacture technology, without the other 99% u mention?"
It's already being done. The system in place is designed to build itself without dependence on a labor force, certainly not one as you imagine it. Look into cutting edge military technology. It is both 1. highly advance technologically, and 2. not designed for commercial consumption.
"they won't have robots"
"they" already have a bottomless supply of cheap grateful labor. that will never change.
CRAPCANNONS 1 year ago
@CRAPCANNONS - of course it'll change u idiot. people need certain things to keep them healthy. ur idiot systems have removed all the basics, so they're going to start dropping much quicker over the next few generations anyway. u won't have any workers. u'll have factories and machines that u can't power and u don't know how to operate. go, print off one fucking pcb for ur computer or mobile phone, without all those systems that r about to cave in. moron, u idiots r all the same - delusional.
randomlaughingman 1 year ago
@CRAPCANNONS "how r they going to manufacture technology, without the other 99% u mention?" - u as all of ur kind failed to deal with the reality of that.
u have robots that go and say, find metal and materials for capacitors, and make those materials, load them into the automated devices that manuf them? no u don't. do u know how complicated a machine is that does easy stuff like fill a can up and then seal it? 1 mm out in calibration and it all falls apart.
u watch too much sci-fi.
randomlaughingman 1 year ago
@randomlaughingman
this is the future in the east:
/watch?v=q__LoNnMNVI&feature=sub
they have the robots and probably plan to keep them and only make them better.
should we politely ask them to stop?
CRAPCANNONS 1 year ago
@CRAPCANNONS - ur completely unrealistic, u think robots come off of spaceships and work for humans?!
they're machines too, u need robots - designed and maintained by humans, who have to be very good at engineering computing etc - that requires a good schooling system - and u need things to build them with, software writers, component manufacture, PCB manuf. - to build robots.
ur dreaming. i like cyberpunk too, but as fiction. it doesn't pan out in reality.
randomlaughingman 1 year ago
@randomlaughingman
how would you propose making them stop?
/watch?v=qNEOI7bYl3c&feature=fvw
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CRAPCANNONS 1 year ago
@CRAPCANNONS - stop with technology entirely, or...not sure what u mean.
the resources r running out anyway, it's not sustainable enough to go on much longer, plus people r getting dumber, there won't be enough left who understand anything, they already can't run the basic systems without computers.
randomlaughingman 1 year ago
How are you supposed to recognize the complete lack of freedom and then continue living, aren't we just helpless? Embracing it just causes me pain and unhappiness.
ortsa123 1 year ago
@ortsa123 Don't embrace the system, but recognise it for what it is, and find as many ways as possible to separate yourself from it - ideally taking others along with you. We are certainly not helpless as those in power would like us to believe - it's all part of the power game making people feel helpless.
farnishk 1 year ago
Lets collaborate on a global scale to create abundance, sustainability, and well being for all. We can do it. We have the ability. Let's align our way of life with the current collective capabilities of man for social concern.
silversobe 1 year ago
I think Keith hit the nail on the head in many regards. Good on you, Keith.
I just saw the recent Yes Men Fix The World, too, which you can download for free at Vodo.
I seem to recall Derrick Jensen (do a search on YT, with "This Means War" in quotes) suggesting subverting 'the system' in ways that are comfortable to each person, whether it's blowing up dams, making thoughtful sociopolitical graffiti, bartering, gardening and/or joining the Permaculture/Transition movement and/or an ecovillage.
Glomerol 1 year ago
@Glomerol Thanks, Derrick has been a big influence on my work, and there are lots of people branching 'off from his ideas to find their own way of doing things. It's a terrific adventure; frightening, enthralling and life-affirming all at once.
Thanks for the Yes Men tip, too - was wondering where to get it.
farnishk 1 year ago
@farnishk :
Good stuff!
Glomerol 1 year ago
"Natural selection in an unnatural environment is the root of all evil"
qzlander 1 year ago
@qzlander I suppose that makes sense - depending, of course, who defines what "evil" is...
farnishk 1 year ago
Industrial civilization isn't going foward as alot people would like to believe. Sustainability is the only way of a good future for humans and the planet. Industrial civilization has no proven track record of lasting 10.000 years, 1.000 years, it won't even last 50 more years from now. People love to talk about all this progress but the reality is we can't even rise above war, crime, poverty, greed, and disease. I'm sorry but i don't really see humanity as a whole PROGRESSING!
MrEddievanhalo 1 year ago
nope wrong. Just cause you cant adapt und fallen behind dosnot mean we heading a wrong way.
MrElektrolyt 1 year ago
@MrElektrolyt Can't adapt? Well I congratulate you on developing gills and USB powered limbs; but I think I prefer plugging into something a bit more natural in the long term.
farnishk 1 year ago
It isn't about going backwards; it's more about scaling down. Less stuff, less space, less energy use. Good video; par usual!
simplespirit101 1 year ago
11.20 it's the faux freedom of consumer choice - but the implied agreement is that you shut up, obey the rules and don't ask questions that mean anything....
the freedoms that allow us to go to the mall and buy a whole bunch of useless stuff is not freedom at all- the idea that the market can control all aspects of our lives is the most insane vision right up there with the vision that there is a celestial being watching your life choices 24hrs a day and if you act wrong you will go to hell!!
CandianBear 1 year ago
Here is a little test if you want to find out how much FREEDOM you really have in America. If u want to see how FREE you are in America today try this at your own peril :1) do not pay Federal Income Taxes go to Jail free card,2) refuse to pay Sales Tax you can't make the purchase 3) refuse to pay Property Taxes they take your land 4) Refuse to buy License Plates for your car You can't drive legally 5) Refuse to pay your Mortgage they take your house and kick you out in the street 6)refuse to bu
mythic89 1 year ago
Freedom is an illusion u are told you have freedom but you are actually as much a slave as anyone at any point in history has ever been. We are just being tricked into believing we have choice and freedom but the truth is we are steered toward what the man behind the curtain wants us to do.
mythic89 1 year ago
Ok now listen this guy is a part of the problem he is railing against. He wrote a book that is published by a company that buys the paper from a company that cut down a tree in the rain forest for his book to be printed on it is a profit chain at the expense of our planet for the continuance of the same unsustainable consumerism he and you are trying to end ? The problem in the world today is not that the gulf between the rich and the poor , the have's and the have nots is getting bigger and bi
mythic89 1 year ago
@mythic89 Actually, the book is printed from 100% recycled paper, by a company that makes minimal profit - which allowed me to also publish the book online for free. I have made no money from the book, and always ask people to go to the online version first when I have the option.
Just thought you should know, because assumptions can be very dangerous things.
farnishk 1 year ago
I have always wondered what percentage of purchases made in the west are strictly "necessary". Leading from that, take account of the number of working hours used up. Would it be fair to say that a large part of the world's population are working to make things that people don't need, time that could be productively used to improve personal development and family ties. We're product-rich and time poor in the West, even though technology should be used to liberate us from work, not enslave us.
adrianallan 1 year ago
"product rich but time poor"
adrianallan 1 year ago
civilization is not the problem. fossil fuel use is the problem. Only free markets can allow for the the most efficient allocation of resources into the various alternative energies to compensate for a ban on fossil fuel energy. if the switch to non-fossil fuel energies is not done as efficeintly as possible, it is less likely to happen at all until the time we run out and it's too late. but it's too late already.
jffryh 1 year ago
@jffryh That's really funny fiction; thanks for the laugh :-) Now let's see what free markets have done for the world so far....
farnishk 1 year ago
it's our emotional attachments to our ideas- our ideals our Progress our technology-
it is the embracing of the Buddha mind- the meta mind- the acceptance of the interdependent nature of our existence-
this is the Dharma the dependent co arising , this is perceiving all existence as a dynamic self sustaining web of relations- the flowering interaction of things as they provide occasion and context fro each other's emergence and subsiding- each as real as the air each as transient as a moment
CandianBear 1 year ago
Thank you for the introduction to Keith Farnish. Very well done ladies.
thmsmhgn 1 year ago
@PathofTorah4life
And we view you with the same wistful regret.
D0g63rt 1 year ago
The movie Time Machine comes to mind. There is no way to totally expunge the vast knowledge humans have compiled to date; ensuring it does not demise to humans who will exist far into the future. One must conclude, to avoid a divide between those who seek and covet knowledge from those who are kept ignorant and oppressed by it, is to ensure perpetual universal access to the same compendium of knowledge. Don`t think The Borg from Star Trek, think Jedi permacultualists with internet.
HowToChangeTheWorld 1 year ago
i'm not going back to the stone age, i'll be pushing for the truth on anti gravity and BOEING or LOCKHEED can build the new smartgrid, fuck it
isawanangel2 1 year ago
u need the people of California to wake up, The population is enormous.
OnePresidentOfPeace 1 year ago
We do not need all the plastic toys in wal-mart, nor the mountains of garbage in the isles of costco, nor the designer purses etc... Our own consumption is killing us. Our egos are killing us. Our greed is killing others. There is a monumental chasm between need and want!
myprophet1 1 year ago
If things went back to the way they were, ie; primitive living, there would be no need for BP to drill holes a mile beneath the ocean surface. If people would just be happy with a more simple, less luxurious way of living then we could be freed from the shackles of "economic addiction". And if we went back to our connection with our planet, we would do better as a whole instead of heads of industry and state living like kings while the masses toil in the fields. Even your health could be better
Caveman0713 1 year ago
increasing polution is from an increase in people. hey get rid of the people and alot of the polution will go away. that wont work either, so I think we should make our foot print lighter on the enviorment but to totally go back to the begining it would never happen. I agree. I love going in to the garden and conecting with the earth but not everyone is going to do this.If we could change the minds of a few that will do more good then trying to get to the masses.do what u want hurt no one wicca?
crewlla 1 year ago
is that you philhellenes?
Blackliam 1 year ago
I get it, I love it, but it seems to bypass some rather dark realities of human nature have been omitted, namely Pol Pot, Stalin, etc. We have to consider the fact that not all wish to live this way and some of them are as close to evil as I could ever imagine. If there would be a collapse...evil people will still be around, humans will do exactly as he says kill either globally and/or locally that is the part that just scares the hell out of me
yonny1954 1 year ago
@yonny1954 We can use that fear constructively; our fears are sometimes the drive that creates change, and have to also make the most of the few freedoms we have left before any dissidence is made a crime against the state.
farnishk 1 year ago
people have been saying these things for over 40 years - nothing will change - economies will grow, populations will grow - the planet will adapt and we will use technology to power us forward .. the glass is 3/4 full.
florgat91 1 year ago
@florgat91
Did it ever occur to you that even if we did grow and adapt with no restrictions that pretty soon there will be no wilderness left? It would be like Corouscant in the Star Wars universe. One big city. Is that your idea of "mission accomplished"?
mos6507 1 year ago
@florgat91
The earth is a sphere
A sphere is finite
Therefore, the earth is finite
Surely, you jest.
Excop95 1 year ago
He came across less radical than I thought he would. I was assuming a firebrand Derrick Jensen type.
mos6507 1 year ago
@mos6507 I know Derrick a little, and admire his work, but I think he can sometimes alienate people with his personal views; I'm glad you recognised the distinction, although radicalism doesn't have to be obvious ;-)
farnishk 1 year ago
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SachaFels 1 year ago
@PathofTorah4life We don't! Bacteria free living is what breeds super-diseases, we need a certain amount of exposure to the nasties to keep our immune systems up. And we wouldn't have to chemically sanitize our water if we weren't constantly polluting it. Nothing in Nature is sterile.
leafydog 1 year ago
@PathofTorah4life - is that what was suggested in the video - don't think I heard them say that.
ecraftsmen 1 year ago
thank you for your awesome channel and work! Sending you positive thought and energy!
MrGreenbudha 1 year ago
@PathofTorah4life Which is why I say in my book that the ability to manage sanitation is one of the key skills for survival that we must carry forwards...
farnishk 1 year ago 2
@farnishk - I haven't read your book, but plan to. I'm also in the UK and struggling to come to terms with and reconcile my current way of life with my deep ecological feelings. Something has to give.
ecraftsmen 1 year ago
@ecraftsmen Thanks very much; as a good friend of mine said, "There is always a payoff" - follow your instincts rather than what the culture tells you, and let me know how you are getting on,
farnishk 1 year ago
@farnishk give me running water and i'm happy. I made sure I understand two important plumbing inventions: a) venting and b) the water trap
jchahine 1 year ago
The stone age is pretty much where we're going, we don't have choice, so we'd better get used to it. But it will be better due the the knowledge we'll take with us.
RelyOnYourselfTV 1 year ago
don't forget that idealist are not bad they just need to be taken lightly. A guy like this is not all wrong he is just way down his own rabbit hole. Take from it what helps you and don't get crazy about what may seem like foolishness.
Me I have plans that will help stop pollution and yet allow the manufacture of goods and products that we will need unless you plan on moving into a cave.
One of the good things that I plan on doing is recycling old ships so that they are not rotting into the sea
scarmenl 1 year ago
@scarmenl "I have plans that will help stop pollution"
Property rights?
juliansimon. com/writings/Ultimate_Resource
hitssquad 1 year ago
@hitssquad Property rights? If you are talking about my plan to recycle ships well I plan to purchase them and use the metal for other things.
If you are talking about this guy well I just figure that we all have a right to our opinion no matter how silly.
scarmenl 1 year ago
0:33 "[...] because it's probably the only chance we have to save humanity from our own destructive behavior."
ejsd. org/public/journal_article/16
"The notion of a centrally directed social order brings with it an implicit elitism. Simon rejected the notion that social elites should act as central planners for the less-educated masses who need guidance in their daily lives because they are unable to make sense of the great picture by themselves. He suspected that this implicit assumption
hitssquad 1 year ago
"fueled the attitude of many intellectuals and educated people. Yet, these people are rarely open enough, while being politically astute enough, to admit to their belief that “trained intellects” should have an assured position of control in society. Their lack of confidence in the abilities of the poor to run their own lives is a function of their own ignorance of daily resourcefulness, creativity, and ingenuity of people in day-to-day business, and that the uneducated and poor "can really
hitssquad 1 year ago
""create resources by way of creating new ideas". Failing to understand these simple facts betrays a flawed understanding of society and becomes yet another powerful impediment to clear thinking about population and resources issues (Simon 1999, pp. 41)."
""humans’ activities tend to increase the order and decrease the randomness of nature. . . . Humans perceive order, and create it.""
hitssquad 1 year ago
Great video quality...I'm speaking about both the image AND the information.
2bsirius 1 year ago
money is not the problem, it's the control over the quantaty of money, who controls the quantaty rules within a civilisation. within a fractual banking system where privat corperate enteties creat 95% of all money via debt .... history repeats. The good old Tali Sticks worked for over 700 years. But this little fact has been scratched out of history books and therefore is not being tought in schools anymore! Who controls the quantity of a Money system can do what they want.