First off, the Koran doesn't allow killing but in very limited circumstances (in defense). It doesn't advocate wanton killing. Ironically, this sounds very similar to your reading of the Torah. Second, it's funny how people say moderate Muslims won't speak up, but then people like you slam moderates as merely ignorant of the allegedly evil nature of Islam. Third, having your ass kicked sounds like it would do you some good. That's true of most online bigots. I say that as a non-Muslim.
You are a Muslim, so please stop peddling your lies to me, nobody who is not Muslim and is knowledgeable about the koran would defend a sick, misogynistic, murderous cult, bent on world domination through force.
The koran most definitely calls for killing infidels, and this has been said not by me, but by the imams, the daily prayers, the Islamic clerics (do you want to explain to ALL of them their religion.)
Terrorism is done in the name of Islam due to them, not me.
@202pdiddy [continued] & if ur going to reply saying "look at the gaza situation!", then consider that the troubles there are caused mostly by their own tyrannical regime called hamas. hamas did some good things for palestinian infrastructure there, but most of their money goes at rockets to aim at schools, cafes etc as their political charters call for killing Every jewish man, woman & child. they're as corrupt as any regime, but with a twist of nazi goals, & nazi education & media.
@oc00011 Israel does preside over an apartheid society. I don't think Hamas managed affairs well, but then again you can't expect an economy to thrive in in stateless territory that is effectively quarantined.
Muslims are the only ones who want to spread their religion? Sure, whatever you say. Ever wonder how the entire western hemisphere came to be Christianized? Israel is an apartheid state. None of that absolves aggression by Muslims, of course; I only bring this up to point out your prejudice.
I never wrote that, "Muslims are the only ones who want to spread their religion" !!! Why make up things that I never wrote, I guess taqiyya (lying as commanded in your koran) is the only way out of the hole you have made here with your ignorant comments, like "the koran doesn't allow killing but in very limited circumstances (in defense)"
Mohamed was a warlord and murdered many in cold blood or just to rob them. All the Jewish tribes in Saudi Arabia were murdered, Khaybar is proof!
@abbienetvision Your argument is that Islam orders Muslims to kill innocents, which is bullshit. It's ironic that you're peddling this semantic distinction between "killing" and "murder", yet you don't afford the Koran the same latitude when it comes to interpretation.
To begin with, it is not "my interpretation" which causes terrorism, it is the imams, clerics, and Muslims themselves who say it.
Islam is a militant violent political cult, and you do not see the muslims out screaming anywhere as they do when they are offended, by anything, ie. the burning of korans in Afghan (an accident.)
I am not the one who is misinterpreting, I just point out why terrorism happens wherever Islam exists. Koran explained:v=_jdPVmJ2q8A
@202pdiddy i lived there many years & israelis r the most anti-racist ppl i ever known! 2nd most multicultural place on earth. middle-eastern, euro, ethiopian, latino, all mixed too. there's been 63 arab members of the knesset, they represent over 10% of total membership. they hav 9 political parties. some arab members were pro-gadafi, 1 was even in the flotilla fighting against the country! 1.8 million arab citizens with full rights. arabs there hav more rights than Any arab country!
You know that Gaza has a border with Egypt, so it easily could be opened. Egypt is 46 times the size of Israel, so they have lots of room for them.
In case you didn't know, Israel is tiny, Jordan is 4 times her size, Iraq 20,
as I wrote already Egypt 46; Saudi Arabia is nearly 90 times the size of Israel.
The only reason that Israel is attacked is the knowledge from the Muslims that they have big countries with no accomplishments, while Israel is tiny with huge accomplishments
@abbienetvision Israel would never allow Egypt to open up a border with Gaza. Gaza is their holy land, why would they want to have it occupied by more Muslims that they despise so?
Prior to 1967 Gaza was Egyptian territory, seems you are quite ignorant on Middle Eastern history, or you would know that simple fact.
Egypt doesn't want them&didn't want them ever,in fact the NGO's have been in Gaza since 1948, and it was Egyptian land.
Egypt opened the border, more than once &found it was problematic for them. They can't control the terrorists, hence the 5 recent gas line attacks in the Sinai.
Gaza had no electricity last week, since Egypt is responsible for it
Also Gaza is completely 100% free of Jews, so while the Jews in the Ghettos in Europe were visited and tormented by Nazis and all the non-Jewish kids and others were able to enter and leave, a Jew who goes into Gaza will be murdered. Ghettos didn't have food, stores, beaches, hotels,water parks!
Two Jews got lost in the Pali territory, and in the police station were lynched&disembodied;The Palis held up their organs in cheer. The blood on their hands was shown proudly! REMEMBER IT?
@202pdiddy not exactly "good point" bcoz i wrote there Many points, all of which R factual. instead of simply replying "they're all in ghettos", how about actually addressing each & every one of the facts i wrote? how about u equally criticize actual apartheid like in, say, palestinian territories where palestinian christians are threatened, raped, tortured, killed, persecuted, & forget treatment of jews there, fuck. how about women? gays? political opposition? lol apartheid, come on.
@oc00011 Why don't I criticize bigotry among Palestinians? Because I was originally responding to an anti-Muslim bigot. That's why. Gays? Please, all three of the largest religions are intensely anti-gay. But ok, yeah, there's a lot of bigoted, chauvinistic attitudes in the Arab countries. And Israel most certainly does preside over an apartheid society.
@202pdiddy "all three of the largest religions are intensely anti-gay" - tel aviv (israel) is officially the most gay-friendly city in the world. gays were allowed in the israeli army TEN YEARS before USA changed their law about it.
"I don't think Hamas managed affairs well, but then again you can't expect.." - don't manage "well"?! r we having a dialogue? be freakin honest with urself will u, they're tyrannical nazis. hamas turned gaza into a sewer, not israel, got proof if u want.
@202pdiddy israel apartheid? a country where by law, women, gays, blacks&whites, euro&middle-eastern, all have Full Equal Rights. there's freedom of worship with All religions. its a country where palestinian arabs are doctors, lawyers & university directors. even judges in israeli supreme court!
u talk about apartheid here's a challege for u, name me ONE other middle-eastern country that has ONE of these freedoms! bcoz asking for ALL of those freedoms would be verging on ridiculous.
@Cassandra1821 u shud know that its against youtube regulations to spam. if u have sound counter-arguments to my points written below, please feel free to communicate them.
@oc00011 you have apparently not seen this little video, which is from the series "Defend Israel" .... no need to further comment, as it's all said there !
Silence, or I'll smite you with the Holy Spear of Antioch (an actual holy relic) - but only in defense! Silence I say, or I'll launch my holy rockets at you. Apologies in advance to innocents who may be standing next to you - but then again, these deaths are mere "killing" according to the Torah! Take comfort in the fact that I've only "killed" innocents, not "murdered" them! Who knew it was that easy - all you need is the right rabbi!
Please write facts, rather than opinions. The Muslims in USA have a much higher rate of abuse of the family, since many are immigrants and are brought up where the man is the last word and there can be no other. The man is able to hit all that live under his roof, as acceptable behavior, as islam also teaches that a woman can be raped and taken at her man's will, she is nothing but his sex slave and worth less than a cow. Islam allows beating of women, calls for it.
@abbienetvision You ask for facts, not opinions. But all you've posted is opinion, much of it crass anti-Muslim bigotry. Your whole argument consists of finding examples of Muslims doing bad things, then finding the most tenuous justification in Islamic religious texts. What you're saying is no different than the blood libel perpetrated against Jews in the Middle Ages.
Abbie: In less enlightened times, people used to say that Jews killed children. That was blood libel. Now you're saying that Muslims are rapists/murderers/liars. Seriously, grow up. Be a better person.
You claimed previously that CAIR has no members/officers and never did who were terrorists or involved in terror...right?
Now you make a comment about Marzook's involvement in both 20+ yrs ago. It is irrelevant. The Nazis were over 50 yrs ago, however the philosophy remains the same!
You may be young and 20 yrs may be a lot, however it isn't! Since your profile is non-existent and your channel blank, no way for me to know (convenient.)
@abbienetvision The Marzook "connection" is ridiculous. The fact that Marzook was never a member of CAIR seems to go right over your head. And yes, I do think the fact that you're referring to events of 20+ years ago, before CAIR even existed, reflects your selectivity in regard to CAIR. The U.S. government supplied the Taliban and Saddam Hussein with weapons and training in the 1980's. By your logic, this makes the U.S. government a terrorist organization.
MORE CAIR terror links/convictions (all upheld by the 5th circuit court of appeals):
-Nihad Awad: Executive director of CAIR. Wiretap evidence from the Holy Land case placed Awad at a Philadelphia meeting of Hamas leaders and activists
-Abdurahman Alamoudi: Another CAIR director, Alamoudi is currently serving 23 years in federal prison for plotting terrorism; he was caught on tape complaining that bin Laden hadn’t killed enough Americans
Mousa Abu Marzook, who is Hamas leader in Syria today
1. Nihad Awad has never been charged with a crime, nor is he under investigation. Who made you God?
2. Abdurahman Alamoudi was never a CAIR director. He wasn't even employed by CAIR. And he's not in jail for "plotting terrorism". Good lord you're full of shit.
"We have no formal relationship with CAIR because of concerns with regard to the national leadership," FBI's Muller TESTIFIED
Wiretap evidence from the Holy Land Foundation terror-finance case put Awad at a Philadelphia meeting of Hamas leaders that was secretly recorded by the FBI. Participants hatched a plot to disguise payments to Hamas terrorists as charity. Wiretaps also record them stating the need to deceive Americans about their true aims.
@abbienetvision He was never even charged with a crime, genius. If the FBI could have brought charges, they would have. Also, I think you're confused about how due process works. The FBI's job is to follow investigative leads. It's a court's job to render judgement. But I realize due process doesn't mean anything to you.
@abbienetvision Again, a federal court rejected the FBI's claims that CAIR was involved in terrorism for lack of evidence. You're just spouting accustions. A court reviewed the FBI's case and decided the evidence was not there.
A federal court found that that CAIR was involved in terrorism Dec.2011...if you found something more recent, please give details. To write they didn't without proof is pointless.
Almost daily Jihad attacks in USA:
Tampa-Sami Osmakac,devout Muslim- look at his youtube channel @ chekdamize7 -see message to Jews and Christians!
CAIR defends him as entrapment (I do not buy bombs from anyone, do you?) CAIR was not aware of any of the vids?? Do you even believe what you write?
@abbienetvision Sami Osmakac didn't have any connection to CAIR whatsoever, dipshit. He hated CAIR. And the FBI refutes the connection your making between the Muslim community at large and Osmakac, as the quote I already posted showed.
A federal court found that that CAIR was involved in terrorism Dec.2011...if you found something more recent, please give details. To write they didn't without proof is pointless.
Almost daily Jihad attacks in USA:
Tampa-Sami Osmakac, is defended by CAIR? (I do not buy bombs from anyone, do you?) CAIR was not aware of any of the vids?? Try to not CHANGE THE SUBJECT AGAIN.
Do you buy bombs? Why is CAIR defending a terrorist, without any connection?
Mousa Abu Marzook was never employed or affiliated with CAIR either. Wow, you're really a wellspring of misinformation aren't you? Dude admit it - you're just bigoted against Muslims, and that's what this is really about.
Your lack of knowledge on CAIR is clear...who started CAIR? What affiliations did they have? Did they come from Marzook's Islamic Association for Palestine (IAP)..or do you not even know that IAP is an islamic Terrorist organization responsible for MANY MURDERS?
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Abbie: I just checked out your Youtube homepage. It's exactly what I suspected, full of anti-Muslim links. Face it, you just have a problem with CAIR because you don't like Muslims.
Abbie: You wrote that "anyone affiliated with CAIR is a terrorist." The U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit found no merit to the accusation that CAIR has organizational ties to terrorists. The decision says the accusation is "simply an untested allegation made in anticipation of a possible evidentiary dispute that never came to pass." You said that U.S. laws and courts take precedence after all. The fact is that if there were organizational ties to terrorists, CAIR wouldn't exist.
Look Abbie, If you want to get into a an argument where we start making broad generalizations ("If a Muslim is tied to CAIR, he is a terrorist."), we can do that. It's as easy as finding a member of a religious organization who's been charged with a crime, and extrapolating to make a broad generalization about the organization. And look at your reasoning - basically "Sharia is a Islamic law, therefore Muslims are against U.S. law." How crude. You could say the same thing about Jewish law.
Dec.2011 A Federal court has upheld the CONVICTIONS OF MULTIPLE OFFICIALS with the CAIR and others for providing funding to a terrorist group.
The Holy Land Foundation trial was the largest terrorism funding trial in American history. CAIR, the Islamic Society of North America and other Muslim organizations were named as un-indicted co-conspirators in the case.
Still want to stick with your idea that the CAIR officers/members were not convicted of crimes? SO MANY CONVICTIONS!
@abbienetvision "so many convictions" Okay, you've mentioned 3 people. CAIR has been existence for over 10 years and has 33 chapters. This is just anti-Muslim bigotry.
Randall Royer, the former CAIR communications specialist, in 2003, he was indicted on charges stemming from participation in the ongoing jihad in Kashmir -- specifically, doing propaganda work for Lashkar-e Taiba Global Terrorist group.
Pleading guilty to weapons and explosives charges in 2004, he was sentenced to 20 years in prison. In later grand jury testimony, Royer admitted that the cell's primary goal was to fight with the Taliban against United States forces in Afghanistan
@abbienetvision You already mentioned Royer. That's three people....any other terror-related convictions? Because if that's all you have, you'd have to admit that it's a long way from "so many convictions", as you described it.
As an American, the Constitution, which is against everything which could lead to a totalitarian gov't (ie, sharia-the call of every Good Muslim)
Siraj Wahhaj was a co-conspirator of the 1993 WTC bombing, just not charged. You know that many criminals are not charged, but that doesn't mean they are innocent of the crime?
Cair is well know to support terror and your support of Cair make you a bad American (if you are an American) and a supporter of hatred and terror
"the Constitution, which is against everything which could lead to a totalitarian gov't (ie, sharia-the call of every Good Muslim)"
At the risk of allowing reality to get in the way of your fantasies, the truth is that most Muslims do not follow Sharia, and there is a wide spectrum of interpretation of Sharia as well. You're portraying all Muslims as ultra-orthodox, but that's like saying all Jews are ultra-orthodox.
If a Muslim is tied to Hamas, CAIR, Hezbollah, he is a terrorist.
What is the difference? NONE Not all Jews are Hassidic, but even a Hassidic Jew is taught that the law of the place you live is always before Jewish law and no Jews are trying to make all other places they live follow their customs or laws (dietary or otherwise.)
Islam is not the same, they have a goal, to destroy and take over the world.
I guess you've never been to Brooklyn NY, where Hasidic Jews' sexist traditions have run up against our laws.
My point isn't that all Jews are sexist; my point is that it's easy to make ignorant generalizations. You wrote "CAIR is full of terrorists", yet you can't even show a single member of CAIR who's been charged (much less convicted) with a terror-related crime. After all, it's "full" of them, right? Put up or shut up.
There is a Jewish law which says that EVERY JEW MUST live within the laws of the land they live. This is the law which is always prominent.
When I present you with CAIR members which have BEEN CONVICTED, you seems to excuse them.
CAIR is similar to KKK or Nazis and any Nazi or Nazi group member is a hater, racist, antisemite. CAIR is a pro-Sharia, anti-American group, whether you admit it or not is irrelevant, so many convictions, so many in terror, JUST FACT
@abbienetvision Gee, that's great. Tell that to the Orthodox Jews in Brooklyn who make women sit in the back of their buses. You just have a personal vendetta against Muslims. Just say it. You aren't being honest. CAIR doesn't want Sharia to supplant U.S. law. Again, the courts already ruled on this crackpot idea. THE COURTS ALREADY RULED ON THIS, DIPSHIT!
This vid is a joke. CAIR is full of terrorists. The founders of CAIR are from the Islamic Association for Palestine. The IAP, founded by senior Hamas figure Mousa Mohammed Abu Marzook.
One of CAIR's original advisory board members, Siraj Wahhaj, served as a character witness for Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman (Convicted-tried to bomb NY landmarks)
"Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant" Omar Ahmed,CAIR's founding Chairman
1 Omar ahmad was not charged with a crime, however he is part of the Muslim brotherhood, well know terrorist group!
2 Siraj Wahhaj:Advisory board member of the CAIR- Named as a possible co-conspirator in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing,
Advocates the replacement of the U.S. government with an Islamic Caliphate
3 CAIR is a terrorist supporting group, Mousa Marzook and other founders are terrorists, were and always will be. CAIR and terror are ONE, tied at the hip. CAIR Taqiyya
Siraj Wahhaj was never named as a co-conspirator in the 1993 WTC bombing, nor was he charged. Look it up. Also, he's not on the advisory board at CAIR. He's on the advisory board at the American Islamic Council. Wahhaj was invited to say a prayer at the U.S. House of Reps. He's been a guest at State Department functions. Sorry to let facts intrude.
None of the other people you mentioned are currently employed by CAIR either.
So CAIR now has new terrorists and/or terrorist supporters. Do you know how many? Why are all those whom I mentioned below (who have ties to terrorism) now with CAIR today and why were they ever with CAIR, if it is not a terrorist promoting group?
You may want to reject the facts, but they will remain true anyway.
Riad Abdelkarim -Former Board Chairman of CAIR-Florida-tied to Holy Land Foundation Terrorist Group
Christina Abraham -Civil Rights Coordinator of CAIR-Chicago- Hamasnick
I know you don't like to hear this, but we have laws in country. The people you've mentioned haven't even been charged with any crimes, much less been convicted of anything. You can't even get their basic info straight.
By the way, kudos to 10th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals for upholding the Constitution in the anti-Sharia case in Oklahoma today.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but many in CAIR have been charged, regardless of your words here, you need to check it, I guess.
ALLCONVICTED: Ghassan Elashi, a founding board member of CAIR-Texas; Randall (Ismail) Royer, once a communications specialist for the national group, & Bassam Khafagi, the organization's one-time director of community relations.
Ghassan was convicted in 2004 on 6criminal counts, false statements, conspiracy charges, just to name a few. CHECK FACTS!
@abbienetvision: Ok, that's 3. Do you hold other organizations to this same standard? AIPAC members have been involved in espionage. Does that make AIPAC a terrorist organization? I'm just using your logic.
"FBI: CAIR is a front group, and Holy Land Foundation tapped Hamas clerics for fundraisers"
Yes, the Nazis, KKK, White Power, Black Panthers and all other hate groups, I link together. Any group which has MANY OFFICIALS who were convicted, some even admitted, that they were involved in terrorism or supporting terrorism.
CAIR is a terrorist group, and while other groups can have one bad apple, CAIR is all about promoting terrorism, that is the difference!
Please find me, ONE member of AIPAC who said that Bin Lauden hadn't killed enough Americans or collected money for terrorists who are bent on destroying USA. You wrote that AIPAC is as guilty as CAIR, now can you prove it...so many in CAIR, so can you just give me ONE in AIPAC?
@abbienetvision My intent was not to compare two totally different organizations. I was merely showing that it's easy to make generalizations of the kind you're making about CAIR. AIPAC is a pro-Israel lobbyist group, and that's fine - although I don't believe billions of dollars should be spent lobbying for the interests of a foreign nation. CAIR's mission is to protect the Constitutional rights of American Muslims, and to promote for/educate about Islam. You simply don't like Muslims.
You compare AIPAC to CAIR and claim that what I wrote about CAIR can also be said about AIPAC, but when I tell you to write only ONE incident (to the many CAIR has in terror ties) you refuse and make a cheap, weak excuse.
CAIR's mission is to instill Sharia law and create the caliphate, according to the few honest CAIR members
@202pdiddy Funny you should mention the Constitution. I know you don't like it, but we have this thing called due process. Stop complaining. These people weren't even charged with a crime, much less convicted.
You want to keep rejecting the facts here, in youtube, but the convictions stand, and their ties to CAIR were or are. They are all criminals, terrorists, support terror and to write here the most Muslims don't follow Sharia is OFF TOPIC.
CAIR does call for Sharia, the imams and leader of CAIR call for Sharia, CAIR is a terrorist group, well know today with so many clear ties to terror.
As for the TN ruling, CAIR brought the charges against the anti-Sharia law! Hence, the lawsuit
Bassam Khafagi pleaded guilty to bank &visa fraud charges in September 2003, after his arrest and indictment earlier that year. "At the time of his arrest,he was community affairs director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations."
Khafagi also served as a founding member and president of the Islamic Assembly of North America. That group was investigated on charges of money laundering and recruiting terrorists over the Internet and the FBI raided its offices in February 2003.
@StoogeWatcher Actually, you're wrong. There is no wider movement within CAIR or among U.S. Muslims to replace Constitutional law with Sharia. Name a single current member of CAIR who says he wants to replace the Constitution. A lot of what they do is defending the Bill of Rights. You're doing exactly what Abbie was doing - using some scattered individuals to make a broad generalization.
@202pdiddy You can go on the Anti-CAIR website. Also, in the case of a Florida Muslim who was arrested in a terror plot, the same CAIR that was thanking the Muslim community for busting him was crying about "entrapment" a few days later. And a few days ago, CAIR joined the chorus of "outrage" in whining over what happened to some dead Taliban. CAIR attacked people who questioned a Muslim charity event whose keynote speaker was an unindicted co-conspirator in the 1993 WTC attack.
@StoogeWatcher Of course! How silly of me. If I want information about CAIR, I should have gone to the anti-CAIR website!
You mean CAIR objected to a bunch of unabashed bigots who screamed "Go home" and "Go beat your wives" at a charity event for domestic abuse? How dare they!
As for the rest, you're going to have to be more specific. I'm not here to do Google searches for you.
@202pdiddy It's not bigoted to protest against a "peaceful" groups whose keynote speaker is an apologist for terrorist groups like Hamas and Hezbollah.
Nihad Awad: "Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faiths, but to become dominant. The Koran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth."
@StoogeWatcher That is no different from how many Christians and Jews feel about their own religions. I find it odd that people want to force American Muslims to choose between their religion and their country, but the same is not asked of members of other religions. And sorry, screaming "Go home!" and "We don't want you here!" at American Muslims, including children, most certainly is bigoted.
Jews do not allow rape of women, do not believe in dhimmi status, do not allow pedophilia, do not circumcise females, do not preach murder as the only sure way to get to paradise. Just to mention a few differences.
While the Muslims have committed many acts of terrorism and killed many Americans on and off American soil, the same cannot be said about Christians or Jews. Get a grip on reality, please!
@abbienetvision Um, Islam doesn't condone rape, murder or pedophilia. If you're referring to young girls being married - which I find abhorrent as well - that's cultural, not necessarily Islamic. Unfortunately this still hangs on in some places, including non-Muslim countries. And yes, I realize there are passages in the Koran which condone violence, just as there are passages in the Old Testament and the New Testament which condone violence.
Did you actually write, "Islam doesn't condone rape, murder or pedophilia"?
Then why does Sura 65:1 speak about divorce prior to a girl even having her period?
Why do most Islamic countries allow child brides?Afghanistan, Iran, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Lebanon have nothing in common, but Islam! They all allow child brides!
Do Muslims not have a mission to be more like Mohamed? Did Mohamed marry a child and have sex with her?
Sharia allows child brides and FGM (female circumcision)
@StoogeWatcher Special agent Steve Ibison, the FBI agent in charge of the case you're referring to: "The case is not about the Muslim religion and it's not about the Muslim community. It's about an individual who committed a crime." Second, CAIR hardly expressed "outrage" (as you put it). They also thought the man was dangerous and belonged in jail. They merely expressed "concern about a perception of entrapment." They word is "perception". Read more carefully.
First off, I wrote only 3 due to the char. limit in the comments box and not wanting to take up an entire page with comments on those CAIR officers who were convicted, charged or known to have taken part in terrorism or supporting it.
That was just common courtesy, since I easily could write the others, but it would take more than 20 comment boxes!
Who in CAIR calls for Sharia Law? I believe it is one of the keynotes, so everyone in CAIR! That is why CAIR fought the anti-Sharia law!
Idiot...the only reason the anti-Sharia law has been found unconstitutional is because it singled out Sharia (Muslims.) When the law is rewritten to include all foreign laws, it will pass.
70% of TN voters voted for this law, maybe after seeing a man who raped his wife go free due to Sharia law in New Jersey and the other horrible crimes accepted in Sharia, which are vile and illegal in the USA
@abbienetvision I'm starting to think you're not only bigoted, but just a dumbfuck. Right, it was unconstitutional because it singled out one religion - I don't see how that bolsters your argument. Who cares what 70% of TN voters thought of an obviously unconstitutional law, beyond it being a comment about mass ignorance? TN isn't exactly known for its tolerance of minorities. No one found guilty of rape went free, I might add. Listen to yourself. You've gone off the deep end.
Seems that you are not a person who follows current events or you would know the stories of the Muslim who RAPED his wife and was freed:"This court does not feel that, ... had a criminal desire to or intent to sexually assault ..the plaintiff when he did. The court believes that he was operating under his belief.., as the husband, his desire to have sex when &whether he wanted to, was something that was consistent with his practices and it was something that was not prohibited."
And he shall not acquire many wives for himself, lest his heart turn away, nor shall he acquire for himself excessive silver and gold.
And yes, in the oldest of times taking women was allowed, but today the only ones who still believe and do that are Muslims, and Islamic slavery is still strong in Sudan
@abbienetvision Of course you can find conflicting quotes from the Torah. That is my point; you're being selective in pointing out the reprehensible parts of Islamic religious texts.
The Koran also states:
"...Do not retain them (i.e., your wives) to harm them..."(2:231)
"...And he has put love and kindness among you(husband and wife). Herein surely are signs for those who reflect." (30:21)
I know Muslims who are jerks. I also know Muslims who are among the most kind people I've met.
This is not about conflicting quotes. This is about CAIR and its ties to terrorism. Just go to the investigativeproject to see all the court cases and the ties (not because I say it.) The FBI didn't cut off ties with CAIR because I say Islam is a religion for legalizing rape and murder.
You really need to stop being defensive and learn the truth, since if you are not a Muslim, they will be coming for you and there will not be anyone to help you!
@abbienetvision Again, you're cherry picking religious texts. The FBI is also suspicious of AIPAC - as the espionage case shows. But mere suspicion doesn't hold much water. Federal courts reviewed the FBI's evidence and decided it didn't amount to what the FBI was contending. The FBI viewed Rev. Martin Luther King as a threat.
Again, you are changing the subject, saying that, "Federal courts reviewed the FBI's evidence and decided it didn't amount to what the FBI was contending"
But as I have written previously, a federal court found that that CAIR was involved in terrorism Dec.2011...if you found something more recent, please give details. You want to change the court's decision here, regardless of the actual findings of the court?
@abbienetvision The rationale for your whole argument is just bringing up cases in which Muslims have done bad things. For instance, you bring up slavery in Sudan. But that's not legal. There's not a single Muslim nation that has legalized slavery. It would be like saying there are Jewish or Christian sex traffickers, therefore Judaism/Christianity condones sexual slavery. It's ridiculous. For you, bad behavior is only attributable to religion when it comes to Islam. That's bullshit.
The Qur’an commands every Muslim to spread Islam, by violent or non-violent means, depending on the circumstances. Aldawsari, like the other Muslim terrorists, was just fulfilling his religious obligation.
When did you hear about a Jew killing his wife in honor killings, setting off bombs to kill civilians, or doing any other terrorist act, in the name of their religion. This is what you refuse to recognize
Any Muslim who becomes more religious will have to murder infidels as duty
@abbienetvision I hate to break this to you, but Jews do all kinds of horrible things, just like other people. Are you seriously contending that Jews are somehow better people than Muslims, Christians, Buddhists, etc.? I have no problem with you being Jewish, but the bigotry and sanctimony you show is really lame. Put aside the tribalism for a second.
All people can do bad things, regardless of religion, however a Muslim who becomes more religious will do bad things, due to the fact that Muslims should all become like Mohamed, who was a warloard, mass murderer, pedophile, rapist, thief, liar and commanded that of his followers.
Most religions preach peace and Christianity and Judaism both have the 10 commandments, which say not to murder. There is no golden rule in Islam and no commanding of not to murder, but the opposite.
@abbienetvision Again, you're cherry-picking. From the Koran: "O mankind! We created you from a male and a female and made you into nations and tribes that you may know and honor each other (not that you should despise one another). Indeed the most honorable of you in the sight of God is the most righteous." (Chapter 49, Verse 13) You can find whatever you want.
Due to abrogation, these peaceful verses are moot.
Chapter 9 of the Qur'an,is the most important concerning the issues of abrogation/jihad against unbelievers. It is the only chapter that does not begin "in the name of God, most benevolent ever-merciful."Commentators agree that Muhammad received this revelation the year before his death, when he had returned to Mecca and was at his strongest.Muhammad bin Ismail al-Bukhari (810-70), said it was the last chapter revealed to Muhammad
@abbienetvision Really, no Jewish man has ever killed his wife? The IDF hasn't killed lots of civilians? You can argue that this is in self-defense, but doesn't this apply to almost every case of nationalist aggression in history? If you're looking for violence, the justification is there to be found, whether it be the Koran, the Torah, etc. By the way, Muslims also regard the Old Testament as a sacred text.
The IDF hasn't killed a lot of civilians, there are lots of terrorists in the palestinians. They are taught, as you can see here (this vid is from this month, the Mufti of Jerusalem) where the koran is used to show what to do with Jews, if you are Muslim. The Mufti has said that he cannot be charged with antisemitism due to this speech, since he was only saying what is written in the koran. v=YAycGEQigSs
Do you want to see the koran's text here? Koran is 80% violent against others
I understand where your information is from, but is it realistic? Red Cross, amnesty international,and UN are all terrorist fronts. Want to see the vid of the palis who shoot out of Red Cross Ambulances or carry terrorists in them? Or the palis who are in the UN buildings shooting at Israelis and using the yards of the UN for rocket launching?
Human right watch? Which one?
Why is it that those innocent palis who are killed are almost all within the age range of terrorist and male?
Did your independent observers say that out of 1285 fatalities, at least 950 were males aged 15 or higher. While males over age 15 make up approximately 25%of the Gaza population, they made up over 74%of the fatalities?
Where is the report by your human rights groups on this story from 17/1/2012 –"A Palestinian rights activist in Gaza who criticised the Palestinian government &"resistance" in an article has been stabbed many times"?
Are you saying abrogation of the peaceful verses of the koran is "a pretty flimsy argument" of the reports on civilian deaths taken from the pali groups are false (the Human Rights groups in Gaza are run by Hamas) there is no independent source there!
Who works for these groups and is there any group in Gaza that is allowed to report the truth? You know about the Pali who wrote about Hamas killing the palis and was stabbed to death this past week? That is why nobody is unbias in Gaza
@abbienetvision You can repeat the same flimsy arguments over and over, but the fact is that Israel has killed plenty of civilians. Independent observers, including the UN, have condemned Israel for this. Ya, the Red Cross, Amnesty International and the UN are all tools of Hamas...whatever. Just look at the casualty figures; it's obvious a lot of civilians have been killed by the Israeli military. Saying most of them were young males hardly mitigates those figures. This is insane.
Nobody says the torah or the bible is perfect; they both contradict many times, but no Jew or Christians considers them perfect! The koran says it is PERFECT and it contradicts in the worst ways, saying to be peaceful then saying to murder, and the rule of abrigation (the later being the only one to follow) exists ONLY in the Koran.
@abbienetvision Gee, really? Ask a Christian/Jew/Muslim whether their respective holy book is the word of God and they'll all answer yes. What a quibbling response.
What bullshit. Nobody says the bible or Torah are PERFECT. Please get your head out of your ass and look it up.
There are loads of books even on it, one is by a man who was raised as a religious Jew, who is very well known and very Zionistic and is a Harvard law professor. His name is Alan Dershowitz.
Look up his books and see that nobody ever said the Torah is perfect and we should follow everything they did. Many times in the Torah, people behaved badly and were PUNISHED!
If you had read the Bible or Torah you would have known the basic principles of both of these religions is the ten Commandments and the Golden Rule.
Islam,on the other hand, doesn't have either of these, and says the exact opposite, rather than love your neighbor, the koran says to kill him, rather than don't murder, the koran says the only 100% way into paradise is to murder.
The koran doesn't say to treat others well, but badly, hurt them, lie to them, destroy them, no love there!
If 80% of the koran was not about who to hate and who to kill, if mohamed hadn't been a warlord, pedophile, thief, liar who all Muslims should aim to emulate, if the Muslims were not committing terror acts around the world daily, if the thousands dead just in the past few years from these people were still alive, I would be guilty of blood libel. However, the facts remain that everything that I have written here is factual, time to stop hiding behind the veil and stop lying!
@abbienetvision There's about a billion Muslims worldwide, dipshit. I don't deny there's a problem with Islamic terrorism, but you're just being a bigot. I've already brought up independent human rights organizations who have condemned Israeli killing. But unlike you I won't go into bigotry; that doesn't mean Jews are violent people. I wouldn't argue that Christians are inherently violent because some have killed massive numbers of people. You're a small-minded person.
It only takes one of the 'moderates' to open the koran and decide to follow it, as it is meant to be followed, behaving like Mohamed. If any Muslim does this, he must become a murderer. THIS IS FACT!
Islam is the only religion, which calls for murdering others to go to paradise, there is no other.
Islam is the only religion, which kills every day, all over the world, there is no other.
Islam is the only religion who is bent on taking over the world by force, there is no other.
@abbienetvision You're saying Muslims think the Koran is "perfect", which is true in the sense that they consider it to be the word of God. But that doesn't mean that they don't discuss its interpretation just as other religions do with their own holy books. Also, it's strange that you would bring up the Ten Commandments, which are considered to be the literal word of God also. Muslims hold the Old Testament as a sacred text.
Are you saying abrogation of the peaceful verses of the koran is "a pretty flimsy argument" of the reports on civilian deaths taken from the pali groups are false (the Human Rights groups in Gaza are run by Hamas) there is no independent source there!
Who works for these groups and is there any group in Gaza that is allowed to report the truth? You know about the Pali who wrote about Hamas killing the palis and was stabbed to death this past week? That is why nobody is unbias in Gaza
If Israel targeted civilians (even Goldstone has retracted that claim) then why would 75% dead be men, between the age of 15-40? This sex/age group is only 25% of the population of Gaza, so it is not coincidence, it is due to the terrorists being counted as civilians. Moreover, the terrorist dress as civilians so it is easy to lie about who they were.
If Israel targeted civilians (even Goldstone has retracted that claim) then why would 75% dead be men, between the age of 15-40? This sex/age group is only 25% of the population of Gaza, so it is not coincidence, it is due to the terrorists being counted as civilians. Moreover, the terrorist dress as civilians so it is easy to lie about who they were.
If Israel targeted civilians (even Goldstone has retracted that claim) then why would 75% dead be men, between the age of 15-40? This sex/age group is only 25% of the population of Gaza, so it is not coincidence, it is due to the terrorists being counted as civilians. Moreover, the terrorist dress as civilians so it is easy to lie about who they were.
@abbienetvision My point in posting these passages is not to elevate or denigrate anyone's religion. Taking the most orthodox, literal interpretations of 1000+ year old religious texts, while ignoring the religion as it is most commonly practiced, is dishonest.
Also, the judgement of the rape case in NJ you referred to was not based on Sharia. It was based on NJ legal statutes. I think the guy was despicable also, but you're claiming he's representative of Muslims at large, which isn't so.
I again present you with a challenge, since your analogy of Orthodox Jews to Muslims is still not applicable. Find ONE orthodox jew who will say that raping non-Jewish women or raping them is alright, or says that marrying a little girl is acceptable!
I can show you loads, here in youtube alone, of Muslims imams and clerics who tell Muslims that this is acceptable behavior TODAY!
The NJ judge based his decision on Islamic disrespect of women as the norm, not criminal!
First off, the Koran doesn't allow killing but in very limited circumstances (in defense). It doesn't advocate wanton killing. Ironically, this sounds very similar to your reading of the Torah. Second, it's funny how people say moderate Muslims won't speak up, but then people like you slam moderates as merely ignorant of the allegedly evil nature of Islam. Third, having your ass kicked sounds like it would do you some good. That's true of most online bigots. I say that as a non-Muslim.
202pdiddy 1 week ago
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You are a Muslim, so please stop peddling your lies to me, nobody who is not Muslim and is knowledgeable about the koran would defend a sick, misogynistic, murderous cult, bent on world domination through force.
The koran most definitely calls for killing infidels, and this has been said not by me, but by the imams, the daily prayers, the Islamic clerics (do you want to explain to ALL of them their religion.)
Terrorism is done in the name of Islam due to them, not me.
Stop lying here
abbienetvision 5 days ago
@202pdiddy [continued] & if ur going to reply saying "look at the gaza situation!", then consider that the troubles there are caused mostly by their own tyrannical regime called hamas. hamas did some good things for palestinian infrastructure there, but most of their money goes at rockets to aim at schools, cafes etc as their political charters call for killing Every jewish man, woman & child. they're as corrupt as any regime, but with a twist of nazi goals, & nazi education & media.
oc00011 4 days ago
@oc00011 Israel does preside over an apartheid society. I don't think Hamas managed affairs well, but then again you can't expect an economy to thrive in in stateless territory that is effectively quarantined.
202pdiddy 2 days ago
Muslims are the only ones who want to spread their religion? Sure, whatever you say. Ever wonder how the entire western hemisphere came to be Christianized? Israel is an apartheid state. None of that absolves aggression by Muslims, of course; I only bring this up to point out your prejudice.
202pdiddy 1 week ago
@202pdiddy
I never wrote that, "Muslims are the only ones who want to spread their religion" !!! Why make up things that I never wrote, I guess taqiyya (lying as commanded in your koran) is the only way out of the hole you have made here with your ignorant comments, like "the koran doesn't allow killing but in very limited circumstances (in defense)"
Mohamed was a warlord and murdered many in cold blood or just to rob them. All the Jewish tribes in Saudi Arabia were murdered, Khaybar is proof!
abbienetvision 5 days ago
@abbienetvision Your argument is that Islam orders Muslims to kill innocents, which is bullshit. It's ironic that you're peddling this semantic distinction between "killing" and "murder", yet you don't afford the Koran the same latitude when it comes to interpretation.
202pdiddy 3 days ago
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To begin with, it is not "my interpretation" which causes terrorism, it is the imams, clerics, and Muslims themselves who say it.
Islam is a militant violent political cult, and you do not see the muslims out screaming anywhere as they do when they are offended, by anything, ie. the burning of korans in Afghan (an accident.)
I am not the one who is misinterpreting, I just point out why terrorism happens wherever Islam exists. Koran explained:v=_jdPVmJ2q8A
abbienetvision 3 days ago
@abbienetvision Wow. A "a militant violent cult"? I think this conversation is over.
202pdiddy 2 days ago
@202pdiddy i lived there many years & israelis r the most anti-racist ppl i ever known! 2nd most multicultural place on earth. middle-eastern, euro, ethiopian, latino, all mixed too. there's been 63 arab members of the knesset, they represent over 10% of total membership. they hav 9 political parties. some arab members were pro-gadafi, 1 was even in the flotilla fighting against the country! 1.8 million arab citizens with full rights. arabs there hav more rights than Any arab country!
oc00011 4 days ago
@oc00011 Yes, Israeli policy is very tolerant of Arabs, except for the ones they've confined to the ghetto. Good point.
202pdiddy 3 days ago
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You know that Gaza has a border with Egypt, so it easily could be opened. Egypt is 46 times the size of Israel, so they have lots of room for them.
In case you didn't know, Israel is tiny, Jordan is 4 times her size, Iraq 20,
as I wrote already Egypt 46; Saudi Arabia is nearly 90 times the size of Israel.
The only reason that Israel is attacked is the knowledge from the Muslims that they have big countries with no accomplishments, while Israel is tiny with huge accomplishments
abbienetvision 3 days ago
@abbienetvision Israel would never allow Egypt to open up a border with Gaza. Gaza is their holy land, why would they want to have it occupied by more Muslims that they despise so?
morbidchid 3 days ago
@morbidchid
Prior to 1967 Gaza was Egyptian territory, seems you are quite ignorant on Middle Eastern history, or you would know that simple fact.
Egypt doesn't want them&didn't want them ever,in fact the NGO's have been in Gaza since 1948, and it was Egyptian land.
Egypt opened the border, more than once &found it was problematic for them. They can't control the terrorists, hence the 5 recent gas line attacks in the Sinai.
Gaza had no electricity last week, since Egypt is responsible for it
abbienetvision 2 days ago
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Also Gaza is completely 100% free of Jews, so while the Jews in the Ghettos in Europe were visited and tormented by Nazis and all the non-Jewish kids and others were able to enter and leave, a Jew who goes into Gaza will be murdered. Ghettos didn't have food, stores, beaches, hotels,water parks!
Two Jews got lost in the Pali territory, and in the police station were lynched&disembodied;The Palis held up their organs in cheer. The blood on their hands was shown proudly! REMEMBER IT?
abbienetvision 3 days ago
@202pdiddy not exactly "good point" bcoz i wrote there Many points, all of which R factual. instead of simply replying "they're all in ghettos", how about actually addressing each & every one of the facts i wrote? how about u equally criticize actual apartheid like in, say, palestinian territories where palestinian christians are threatened, raped, tortured, killed, persecuted, & forget treatment of jews there, fuck. how about women? gays? political opposition? lol apartheid, come on.
oc00011 3 days ago
@oc00011 Why don't I criticize bigotry among Palestinians? Because I was originally responding to an anti-Muslim bigot. That's why. Gays? Please, all three of the largest religions are intensely anti-gay. But ok, yeah, there's a lot of bigoted, chauvinistic attitudes in the Arab countries. And Israel most certainly does preside over an apartheid society.
202pdiddy 2 days ago
@202pdiddy "all three of the largest religions are intensely anti-gay" - tel aviv (israel) is officially the most gay-friendly city in the world. gays were allowed in the israeli army TEN YEARS before USA changed their law about it.
"I don't think Hamas managed affairs well, but then again you can't expect.." - don't manage "well"?! r we having a dialogue? be freakin honest with urself will u, they're tyrannical nazis. hamas turned gaza into a sewer, not israel, got proof if u want.
oc00011 2 days ago
@202pdiddy israel apartheid? a country where by law, women, gays, blacks&whites, euro&middle-eastern, all have Full Equal Rights. there's freedom of worship with All religions. its a country where palestinian arabs are doctors, lawyers & university directors. even judges in israeli supreme court!
u talk about apartheid here's a challege for u, name me ONE other middle-eastern country that has ONE of these freedoms! bcoz asking for ALL of those freedoms would be verging on ridiculous.
oc00011 2 days ago
@oc00011 APARTHEID IN ISRAEL? youtube.com/watch?v=IMYIezagDUU
Cassandra1821 2 days ago
@Cassandra1821 u shud know that its against youtube regulations to spam. if u have sound counter-arguments to my points written below, please feel free to communicate them.
oc00011 2 days ago
@oc00011 you have apparently not seen this little video, which is from the series "Defend Israel" .... no need to further comment, as it's all said there !
Cassandra1821 2 days ago
@oc00011 sorry :-!! got the link wrong – here the right one: ISRAEL APARTHEID WEEK youtube.com/watch?v=w4SxXVMYSww
Cassandra1821 2 days ago
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@oc00011 sorry :-!! got the link wrong – here the right one: ISRAEL APARTHEID WEEK youtube.com/watch?v=w4SxXVMYSww
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Silence, or I'll smite you with the Holy Spear of Antioch (an actual holy relic) - but only in defense! Silence I say, or I'll launch my holy rockets at you. Apologies in advance to innocents who may be standing next to you - but then again, these deaths are mere "killing" according to the Torah! Take comfort in the fact that I've only "killed" innocents, not "murdered" them! Who knew it was that easy - all you need is the right rabbi!
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202pdiddy 1 month ago
By the way, spousal abuse among American Muslims occurs at the same rate that it does for other groups.
202pdiddy 1 month ago
@202pdiddy
Please write facts, rather than opinions. The Muslims in USA have a much higher rate of abuse of the family, since many are immigrants and are brought up where the man is the last word and there can be no other. The man is able to hit all that live under his roof, as acceptable behavior, as islam also teaches that a woman can be raped and taken at her man's will, she is nothing but his sex slave and worth less than a cow. Islam allows beating of women, calls for it.
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202pdiddy 1 month ago
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@abbienetvision You ask for facts, not opinions. But all you've posted is opinion, much of it crass anti-Muslim bigotry. Your whole argument consists of finding examples of Muslims doing bad things, then finding the most tenuous justification in Islamic religious texts. What you're saying is no different than the blood libel perpetrated against Jews in the Middle Ages.
202pdiddy 1 month ago
Abbie: In less enlightened times, people used to say that Jews killed children. That was blood libel. Now you're saying that Muslims are rapists/murderers/liars. Seriously, grow up. Be a better person.
202pdiddy 1 month ago
Wow, you mean Marzook, 20+ years ago, was connected to the organization that was connected to CAIR? I rest my case, your Honor!
202pdiddy 1 month ago
@202pdiddy
You claimed previously that CAIR has no members/officers and never did who were terrorists or involved in terror...right?
Now you make a comment about Marzook's involvement in both 20+ yrs ago. It is irrelevant. The Nazis were over 50 yrs ago, however the philosophy remains the same!
You may be young and 20 yrs may be a lot, however it isn't! Since your profile is non-existent and your channel blank, no way for me to know (convenient.)
KKK also have the same mantra for 80yrs!
abbienetvision 1 month ago
@abbienetvision The Marzook "connection" is ridiculous. The fact that Marzook was never a member of CAIR seems to go right over your head. And yes, I do think the fact that you're referring to events of 20+ years ago, before CAIR even existed, reflects your selectivity in regard to CAIR. The U.S. government supplied the Taliban and Saddam Hussein with weapons and training in the 1980's. By your logic, this makes the U.S. government a terrorist organization.
202pdiddy 1 month ago
@abbienetvision Uh, I'm not that young, and yes, 20+ years is a long time no matter how old you are.
202pdiddy 1 month ago
MORE CAIR terror links/convictions (all upheld by the 5th circuit court of appeals):
-Nihad Awad: Executive director of CAIR. Wiretap evidence from the Holy Land case placed Awad at a Philadelphia meeting of Hamas leaders and activists
-Abdurahman Alamoudi: Another CAIR director, Alamoudi is currently serving 23 years in federal prison for plotting terrorism; he was caught on tape complaining that bin Laden hadn’t killed enough Americans
Mousa Abu Marzook, who is Hamas leader in Syria today
abbienetvision 1 month ago
@abbienetvision
1. Nihad Awad has never been charged with a crime, nor is he under investigation. Who made you God?
2. Abdurahman Alamoudi was never a CAIR director. He wasn't even employed by CAIR. And he's not in jail for "plotting terrorism". Good lord you're full of shit.
202pdiddy 1 month ago
"We have no formal relationship with CAIR because of concerns with regard to the national leadership," FBI's Muller TESTIFIED
Wiretap evidence from the Holy Land Foundation terror-finance case put Awad at a Philadelphia meeting of Hamas leaders that was secretly recorded by the FBI. Participants hatched a plot to disguise payments to Hamas terrorists as charity. Wiretaps also record them stating the need to deceive Americans about their true aims.
Nihad Awad is Innocent? Hmm, FBI disagrees
abbienetvision 1 month ago
@abbienetvision He was never even charged with a crime, genius. If the FBI could have brought charges, they would have. Also, I think you're confused about how due process works. The FBI's job is to follow investigative leads. It's a court's job to render judgement. But I realize due process doesn't mean anything to you.
202pdiddy 1 month ago
@abbienetvision Again, a federal court rejected the FBI's claims that CAIR was involved in terrorism for lack of evidence. You're just spouting accustions. A court reviewed the FBI's case and decided the evidence was not there.
202pdiddy 1 month ago
@202pdiddy
A federal court found that that CAIR was involved in terrorism Dec.2011...if you found something more recent, please give details. To write they didn't without proof is pointless.
Almost daily Jihad attacks in USA:
Tampa-Sami Osmakac,devout Muslim- look at his youtube channel @ chekdamize7 -see message to Jews and Christians!
CAIR defends him as entrapment (I do not buy bombs from anyone, do you?) CAIR was not aware of any of the vids?? Do you even believe what you write?
abbienetvision 1 month ago
@abbienetvision Sami Osmakac didn't have any connection to CAIR whatsoever, dipshit. He hated CAIR. And the FBI refutes the connection your making between the Muslim community at large and Osmakac, as the quote I already posted showed.
202pdiddy 1 month ago
@abbienetvision What your posts really amount to is that this isn't really about CAIR for you; it's about you hating Muslims.
202pdiddy 1 month ago
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A federal court found that that CAIR was involved in terrorism Dec.2011...if you found something more recent, please give details. To write they didn't without proof is pointless.
Almost daily Jihad attacks in USA:
Tampa-Sami Osmakac, is defended by CAIR? (I do not buy bombs from anyone, do you?) CAIR was not aware of any of the vids?? Try to not CHANGE THE SUBJECT AGAIN.
Do you buy bombs? Why is CAIR defending a terrorist, without any connection?
Think a bit!
abbienetvision 1 month ago
@abbienetvision
Mousa Abu Marzook was never employed or affiliated with CAIR either. Wow, you're really a wellspring of misinformation aren't you? Dude admit it - you're just bigoted against Muslims, and that's what this is really about.
202pdiddy 1 month ago
@202pdiddy
Your lack of knowledge on CAIR is clear...who started CAIR? What affiliations did they have? Did they come from Marzook's Islamic Association for Palestine (IAP)..or do you not even know that IAP is an islamic Terrorist organization responsible for MANY MURDERS?
Let's see if you can answer these simple questions! I doubt it, since you seem to live in Disneyworld, where there is only Cinderella and Mickey Mouse around you!
abbienetvision 1 month ago
@abbienetvision Was Marzook ever affiliated or employed by CAIR? No, he wasn't.
202pdiddy 1 month ago
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tigersforchrist 1 month ago
@tigersforchrist Gee, you sound like a pious Christian.
202pdiddy 1 month ago
Abbie: I just checked out your Youtube homepage. It's exactly what I suspected, full of anti-Muslim links. Face it, you just have a problem with CAIR because you don't like Muslims.
202pdiddy 1 month ago
Abbie: You wrote that "anyone affiliated with CAIR is a terrorist." The U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit found no merit to the accusation that CAIR has organizational ties to terrorists. The decision says the accusation is "simply an untested allegation made in anticipation of a possible evidentiary dispute that never came to pass." You said that U.S. laws and courts take precedence after all. The fact is that if there were organizational ties to terrorists, CAIR wouldn't exist.
202pdiddy 1 month ago
Look Abbie, If you want to get into a an argument where we start making broad generalizations ("If a Muslim is tied to CAIR, he is a terrorist."), we can do that. It's as easy as finding a member of a religious organization who's been charged with a crime, and extrapolating to make a broad generalization about the organization. And look at your reasoning - basically "Sharia is a Islamic law, therefore Muslims are against U.S. law." How crude. You could say the same thing about Jewish law.
202pdiddy 1 month ago
@202pdiddy
Dec.2011 A Federal court has upheld the CONVICTIONS OF MULTIPLE OFFICIALS with the CAIR and others for providing funding to a terrorist group.
The Holy Land Foundation trial was the largest terrorism funding trial in American history. CAIR, the Islamic Society of North America and other Muslim organizations were named as un-indicted co-conspirators in the case.
Still want to stick with your idea that the CAIR officers/members were not convicted of crimes? SO MANY CONVICTIONS!
abbienetvision 1 month ago
@abbienetvision "so many convictions" Okay, you've mentioned 3 people. CAIR has been existence for over 10 years and has 33 chapters. This is just anti-Muslim bigotry.
202pdiddy 1 month ago
@202pdiddy CAIR wants to cry about bigoty? They ARE the bigots.
StoogeWatcher 1 month ago
@StoogeWatcher
Watch any interesting videos about "Glock Destruction" or the "ethnic cleansing" of whites in Britain lately?
202pdiddy 1 month ago
@202pdiddy
Randall Royer, the former CAIR communications specialist, in 2003, he was indicted on charges stemming from participation in the ongoing jihad in Kashmir -- specifically, doing propaganda work for Lashkar-e Taiba Global Terrorist group.
Pleading guilty to weapons and explosives charges in 2004, he was sentenced to 20 years in prison. In later grand jury testimony, Royer admitted that the cell's primary goal was to fight with the Taliban against United States forces in Afghanistan
abbienetvision 1 month ago
@abbienetvision You already mentioned Royer. That's three people....any other terror-related convictions? Because if that's all you have, you'd have to admit that it's a long way from "so many convictions", as you described it.
202pdiddy 1 month ago
abbienetvision:
Just curious, what do you consider the higher authority, the Bible or the U.S. Constitution?
202pdiddy 1 month ago
@202pdiddy
As an American, the Constitution, which is against everything which could lead to a totalitarian gov't (ie, sharia-the call of every Good Muslim)
Siraj Wahhaj was a co-conspirator of the 1993 WTC bombing, just not charged. You know that many criminals are not charged, but that doesn't mean they are innocent of the crime?
Cair is well know to support terror and your support of Cair make you a bad American (if you are an American) and a supporter of hatred and terror
abbienetvision 1 month ago
@abbienetvision
"the Constitution, which is against everything which could lead to a totalitarian gov't (ie, sharia-the call of every Good Muslim)"
At the risk of allowing reality to get in the way of your fantasies, the truth is that most Muslims do not follow Sharia, and there is a wide spectrum of interpretation of Sharia as well. You're portraying all Muslims as ultra-orthodox, but that's like saying all Jews are ultra-orthodox.
202pdiddy 1 month ago
@202pdiddy
If a Jew is Hassidic, he is orthodox.
If a Muslim is tied to Hamas, CAIR, Hezbollah, he is a terrorist.
What is the difference? NONE Not all Jews are Hassidic, but even a Hassidic Jew is taught that the law of the place you live is always before Jewish law and no Jews are trying to make all other places they live follow their customs or laws (dietary or otherwise.)
Islam is not the same, they have a goal, to destroy and take over the world.
abbienetvision 1 month ago
@abbienetvision Oh really?
I guess you've never been to Brooklyn NY, where Hasidic Jews' sexist traditions have run up against our laws.
My point isn't that all Jews are sexist; my point is that it's easy to make ignorant generalizations. You wrote "CAIR is full of terrorists", yet you can't even show a single member of CAIR who's been charged (much less convicted) with a terror-related crime. After all, it's "full" of them, right? Put up or shut up.
202pdiddy 1 month ago
@202pdiddy
There is a Jewish law which says that EVERY JEW MUST live within the laws of the land they live. This is the law which is always prominent.
When I present you with CAIR members which have BEEN CONVICTED, you seems to excuse them.
CAIR is similar to KKK or Nazis and any Nazi or Nazi group member is a hater, racist, antisemite. CAIR is a pro-Sharia, anti-American group, whether you admit it or not is irrelevant, so many convictions, so many in terror, JUST FACT
abbienetvision 1 month ago
@abbienetvision Gee, that's great. Tell that to the Orthodox Jews in Brooklyn who make women sit in the back of their buses. You just have a personal vendetta against Muslims. Just say it. You aren't being honest. CAIR doesn't want Sharia to supplant U.S. law. Again, the courts already ruled on this crackpot idea. THE COURTS ALREADY RULED ON THIS, DIPSHIT!
"CAIR is similar to the KKK" Ya. Whatever man!
202pdiddy 1 month ago
Some people are just bigots. They complain that Muslims won't condemn terrorism, but won't listen to them when they do.
202pdiddy 2 months ago
@202pdiddy
This vid is a joke. CAIR is full of terrorists. The founders of CAIR are from the Islamic Association for Palestine. The IAP, founded by senior Hamas figure Mousa Mohammed Abu Marzook.
One of CAIR's original advisory board members, Siraj Wahhaj, served as a character witness for Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman (Convicted-tried to bomb NY landmarks)
"Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant" Omar Ahmed,CAIR's founding Chairman
CAIR and terrorism are one!
abbienetvision 2 months ago
@abbienetvision
Let's look at the facts.
(1) Omar Ahmad was never even charged with a crime. He isn't employed by CAIR.
(2) Siraj Wahhaj, who was never charged with a crime. He isn't employed by CAIR.
(3) Omar Abdel Rahman has never been affiliated with CAIR.
According to their core principles, CAIR
"..supports domestic policies that promote civil rights, diversity and freedom of religion."
"..condemns all acts of violence against civilians by any individual, group or state."
202pdiddy 2 months ago
@202pdiddy
1 Omar ahmad was not charged with a crime, however he is part of the Muslim brotherhood, well know terrorist group!
2 Siraj Wahhaj:Advisory board member of the CAIR- Named as a possible co-conspirator in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing,
Advocates the replacement of the U.S. government with an Islamic Caliphate
3 CAIR is a terrorist supporting group, Mousa Marzook and other founders are terrorists, were and always will be. CAIR and terror are ONE, tied at the hip. CAIR Taqiyya
abbienetvision 2 months ago
@abbienetvision
Get your facts straight.
Siraj Wahhaj was never named as a co-conspirator in the 1993 WTC bombing, nor was he charged. Look it up. Also, he's not on the advisory board at CAIR. He's on the advisory board at the American Islamic Council. Wahhaj was invited to say a prayer at the U.S. House of Reps. He's been a guest at State Department functions. Sorry to let facts intrude.
None of the other people you mentioned are currently employed by CAIR either.
202pdiddy 1 month ago
@202pdiddy
So CAIR now has new terrorists and/or terrorist supporters. Do you know how many? Why are all those whom I mentioned below (who have ties to terrorism) now with CAIR today and why were they ever with CAIR, if it is not a terrorist promoting group?
You may want to reject the facts, but they will remain true anyway.
Riad Abdelkarim -Former Board Chairman of CAIR-Florida-tied to Holy Land Foundation Terrorist Group
Christina Abraham -Civil Rights Coordinator of CAIR-Chicago- Hamasnick
abbienetvision 1 month ago
@abbienetvision
I know you don't like to hear this, but we have laws in country. The people you've mentioned haven't even been charged with any crimes, much less been convicted of anything. You can't even get their basic info straight.
By the way, kudos to 10th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals for upholding the Constitution in the anti-Sharia case in Oklahoma today.
202pdiddy 1 month ago
@202pdiddy
Sorry to burst your bubble, but many in CAIR have been charged, regardless of your words here, you need to check it, I guess.
ALLCONVICTED: Ghassan Elashi, a founding board member of CAIR-Texas; Randall (Ismail) Royer, once a communications specialist for the national group, & Bassam Khafagi, the organization's one-time director of community relations.
Ghassan was convicted in 2004 on 6criminal counts, false statements, conspiracy charges, just to name a few. CHECK FACTS!
abbienetvision 1 month ago
@abbienetvision: Ok, that's 3. Do you hold other organizations to this same standard? AIPAC members have been involved in espionage. Does that make AIPAC a terrorist organization? I'm just using your logic.
202pdiddy 1 month ago
@202pdiddy
"FBI: CAIR is a front group, and Holy Land Foundation tapped Hamas clerics for fundraisers"
Yes, the Nazis, KKK, White Power, Black Panthers and all other hate groups, I link together. Any group which has MANY OFFICIALS who were convicted, some even admitted, that they were involved in terrorism or supporting terrorism.
CAIR is a terrorist group, and while other groups can have one bad apple, CAIR is all about promoting terrorism, that is the difference!
abbienetvision 1 month ago
@202pdiddy
Please find me, ONE member of AIPAC who said that Bin Lauden hadn't killed enough Americans or collected money for terrorists who are bent on destroying USA. You wrote that AIPAC is as guilty as CAIR, now can you prove it...so many in CAIR, so can you just give me ONE in AIPAC?
abbienetvision 1 month ago
@abbienetvision My intent was not to compare two totally different organizations. I was merely showing that it's easy to make generalizations of the kind you're making about CAIR. AIPAC is a pro-Israel lobbyist group, and that's fine - although I don't believe billions of dollars should be spent lobbying for the interests of a foreign nation. CAIR's mission is to protect the Constitutional rights of American Muslims, and to promote for/educate about Islam. You simply don't like Muslims.
202pdiddy 1 month ago
@202pdiddy
You compare AIPAC to CAIR and claim that what I wrote about CAIR can also be said about AIPAC, but when I tell you to write only ONE incident (to the many CAIR has in terror ties) you refuse and make a cheap, weak excuse.
CAIR's mission is to instill Sharia law and create the caliphate, according to the few honest CAIR members
abbienetvision 1 month ago
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202pdiddy 1 month ago
@abbienetvision Many? That's 3 people.
202pdiddy 1 month ago
@202pdiddy Funny you should mention the Constitution. I know you don't like it, but we have this thing called due process. Stop complaining. These people weren't even charged with a crime, much less convicted.
202pdiddy 1 month ago
@202pdiddy
You want to keep rejecting the facts here, in youtube, but the convictions stand, and their ties to CAIR were or are. They are all criminals, terrorists, support terror and to write here the most Muslims don't follow Sharia is OFF TOPIC.
CAIR does call for Sharia, the imams and leader of CAIR call for Sharia, CAIR is a terrorist group, well know today with so many clear ties to terror.
As for the TN ruling, CAIR brought the charges against the anti-Sharia law! Hence, the lawsuit
abbienetvision 1 month ago
@202pdiddy
Bassam Khafagi pleaded guilty to bank &visa fraud charges in September 2003, after his arrest and indictment earlier that year. "At the time of his arrest,he was community affairs director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations."
Khafagi also served as a founding member and president of the Islamic Assembly of North America. That group was investigated on charges of money laundering and recruiting terrorists over the Internet and the FBI raided its offices in February 2003.
abbienetvision 1 month ago
@abbienetvision Credit card fraud? Good lord. Grabbing at straws much?
202pdiddy 1 month ago
@abbienetvision You already mentioned Khafagi. You know, if you mention the same person twice, it doesn't count as two people...
202pdiddy 1 month ago
@202pdiddy CAIR wants to replace the Constitution with Sharia Law.
StoogeWatcher 1 month ago
@StoogeWatcher Actually, you're wrong. There is no wider movement within CAIR or among U.S. Muslims to replace Constitutional law with Sharia. Name a single current member of CAIR who says he wants to replace the Constitution. A lot of what they do is defending the Bill of Rights. You're doing exactly what Abbie was doing - using some scattered individuals to make a broad generalization.
202pdiddy 1 month ago
@202pdiddy You can go on the Anti-CAIR website. Also, in the case of a Florida Muslim who was arrested in a terror plot, the same CAIR that was thanking the Muslim community for busting him was crying about "entrapment" a few days later. And a few days ago, CAIR joined the chorus of "outrage" in whining over what happened to some dead Taliban. CAIR attacked people who questioned a Muslim charity event whose keynote speaker was an unindicted co-conspirator in the 1993 WTC attack.
StoogeWatcher 1 month ago
@StoogeWatcher Of course! How silly of me. If I want information about CAIR, I should have gone to the anti-CAIR website!
You mean CAIR objected to a bunch of unabashed bigots who screamed "Go home" and "Go beat your wives" at a charity event for domestic abuse? How dare they!
As for the rest, you're going to have to be more specific. I'm not here to do Google searches for you.
202pdiddy 1 month ago
@202pdiddy It's not bigoted to protest against a "peaceful" groups whose keynote speaker is an apologist for terrorist groups like Hamas and Hezbollah.
Nihad Awad: "Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faiths, but to become dominant. The Koran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth."
StoogeWatcher 1 month ago
@StoogeWatcher That is no different from how many Christians and Jews feel about their own religions. I find it odd that people want to force American Muslims to choose between their religion and their country, but the same is not asked of members of other religions. And sorry, screaming "Go home!" and "We don't want you here!" at American Muslims, including children, most certainly is bigoted.
202pdiddy 1 month ago
@202pdiddy
Jews do not allow rape of women, do not believe in dhimmi status, do not allow pedophilia, do not circumcise females, do not preach murder as the only sure way to get to paradise. Just to mention a few differences.
While the Muslims have committed many acts of terrorism and killed many Americans on and off American soil, the same cannot be said about Christians or Jews. Get a grip on reality, please!
abbienetvision 1 month ago
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202pdiddy 1 month ago
@abbienetvision Um, Islam doesn't condone rape, murder or pedophilia. If you're referring to young girls being married - which I find abhorrent as well - that's cultural, not necessarily Islamic. Unfortunately this still hangs on in some places, including non-Muslim countries. And yes, I realize there are passages in the Koran which condone violence, just as there are passages in the Old Testament and the New Testament which condone violence.
202pdiddy 1 month ago
@202pdiddy
Did you actually write, "Islam doesn't condone rape, murder or pedophilia"?
Then why does Sura 65:1 speak about divorce prior to a girl even having her period?
Why do most Islamic countries allow child brides?Afghanistan, Iran, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Lebanon have nothing in common, but Islam! They all allow child brides!
Do Muslims not have a mission to be more like Mohamed? Did Mohamed marry a child and have sex with her?
Sharia allows child brides and FGM (female circumcision)
abbienetvision 1 month ago
@StoogeWatcher Special agent Steve Ibison, the FBI agent in charge of the case you're referring to: "The case is not about the Muslim religion and it's not about the Muslim community. It's about an individual who committed a crime." Second, CAIR hardly expressed "outrage" (as you put it). They also thought the man was dangerous and belonged in jail. They merely expressed "concern about a perception of entrapment." They word is "perception". Read more carefully.
202pdiddy 1 month ago
@202pdiddy
First off, I wrote only 3 due to the char. limit in the comments box and not wanting to take up an entire page with comments on those CAIR officers who were convicted, charged or known to have taken part in terrorism or supporting it.
That was just common courtesy, since I easily could write the others, but it would take more than 20 comment boxes!
Who in CAIR calls for Sharia Law? I believe it is one of the keynotes, so everyone in CAIR! That is why CAIR fought the anti-Sharia law!
abbienetvision 1 month ago
@abbienetvision The anti-Sharia law was unconstitutional, disphit. A federal court said so. Why do you have a problem with the U.S. Constitution?
202pdiddy 1 month ago
@202pdiddy
Idiot...the only reason the anti-Sharia law has been found unconstitutional is because it singled out Sharia (Muslims.) When the law is rewritten to include all foreign laws, it will pass.
70% of TN voters voted for this law, maybe after seeing a man who raped his wife go free due to Sharia law in New Jersey and the other horrible crimes accepted in Sharia, which are vile and illegal in the USA
abbienetvision 1 month ago
@abbienetvision I'm starting to think you're not only bigoted, but just a dumbfuck. Right, it was unconstitutional because it singled out one religion - I don't see how that bolsters your argument. Who cares what 70% of TN voters thought of an obviously unconstitutional law, beyond it being a comment about mass ignorance? TN isn't exactly known for its tolerance of minorities. No one found guilty of rape went free, I might add. Listen to yourself. You've gone off the deep end.
202pdiddy 1 month ago
@202pdiddy
Seems that you are not a person who follows current events or you would know the stories of the Muslim who RAPED his wife and was freed:"This court does not feel that, ... had a criminal desire to or intent to sexually assault ..the plaintiff when he did. The court believes that he was operating under his belief.., as the husband, his desire to have sex when &whether he wanted to, was something that was consistent with his practices and it was something that was not prohibited."
abbienetvision 1 month ago
@abbienetvision All the Old Testament religions are rife with sexism. Since we're cherry picking:
From the Torah:
Exodus 21:7 God not only sanctions selling ones daughter into slavery, but he also gives out laws on how it should be done.
Exodus 21:10 God ordains men taking several wives and even sets up laws as to how multiple wives should be handled.
Deuteronomy 21:11-14 If you see a pretty woman among the captives then just take her home and "go in unto her."
202pdiddy 1 month ago
@202pdiddy
After Exodus!!
Corinthians 7:2
But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband.
Deuteronomy 17:17
And he shall not acquire many wives for himself, lest his heart turn away, nor shall he acquire for himself excessive silver and gold.
And yes, in the oldest of times taking women was allowed, but today the only ones who still believe and do that are Muslims, and Islamic slavery is still strong in Sudan
abbienetvision 1 month ago
@abbienetvision Of course you can find conflicting quotes from the Torah. That is my point; you're being selective in pointing out the reprehensible parts of Islamic religious texts.
The Koran also states:
"...Do not retain them (i.e., your wives) to harm them..."(2:231)
"...And he has put love and kindness among you(husband and wife). Herein surely are signs for those who reflect." (30:21)
I know Muslims who are jerks. I also know Muslims who are among the most kind people I've met.
202pdiddy 1 month ago
@202pdiddy
This is not about conflicting quotes. This is about CAIR and its ties to terrorism. Just go to the investigativeproject to see all the court cases and the ties (not because I say it.) The FBI didn't cut off ties with CAIR because I say Islam is a religion for legalizing rape and murder.
You really need to stop being defensive and learn the truth, since if you are not a Muslim, they will be coming for you and there will not be anyone to help you!
abbienetvision 1 month ago
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202pdiddy 1 month ago
@abbienetvision Again, you're cherry picking religious texts. The FBI is also suspicious of AIPAC - as the espionage case shows. But mere suspicion doesn't hold much water. Federal courts reviewed the FBI's evidence and decided it didn't amount to what the FBI was contending. The FBI viewed Rev. Martin Luther King as a threat.
202pdiddy 1 month ago
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@202pdiddy
Again, you are changing the subject, saying that, "Federal courts reviewed the FBI's evidence and decided it didn't amount to what the FBI was contending"
But as I have written previously, a federal court found that that CAIR was involved in terrorism Dec.2011...if you found something more recent, please give details. You want to change the court's decision here, regardless of the actual findings of the court?
That is the latest court case against CAIR!
Got something more recent?
abbienetvision 1 month ago
@abbienetvision The rationale for your whole argument is just bringing up cases in which Muslims have done bad things. For instance, you bring up slavery in Sudan. But that's not legal. There's not a single Muslim nation that has legalized slavery. It would be like saying there are Jewish or Christian sex traffickers, therefore Judaism/Christianity condones sexual slavery. It's ridiculous. For you, bad behavior is only attributable to religion when it comes to Islam. That's bullshit.
202pdiddy 1 month ago
@202pdiddy
The Qur’an commands every Muslim to spread Islam, by violent or non-violent means, depending on the circumstances. Aldawsari, like the other Muslim terrorists, was just fulfilling his religious obligation.
When did you hear about a Jew killing his wife in honor killings, setting off bombs to kill civilians, or doing any other terrorist act, in the name of their religion. This is what you refuse to recognize
Any Muslim who becomes more religious will have to murder infidels as duty
abbienetvision 1 month ago
@abbienetvision I hate to break this to you, but Jews do all kinds of horrible things, just like other people. Are you seriously contending that Jews are somehow better people than Muslims, Christians, Buddhists, etc.? I have no problem with you being Jewish, but the bigotry and sanctimony you show is really lame. Put aside the tribalism for a second.
202pdiddy 1 month ago
@202pdiddy
All people can do bad things, regardless of religion, however a Muslim who becomes more religious will do bad things, due to the fact that Muslims should all become like Mohamed, who was a warloard, mass murderer, pedophile, rapist, thief, liar and commanded that of his followers.
Most religions preach peace and Christianity and Judaism both have the 10 commandments, which say not to murder. There is no golden rule in Islam and no commanding of not to murder, but the opposite.
abbienetvision 1 month ago
@abbienetvision Again, you're cherry-picking. From the Koran: "O mankind! We created you from a male and a female and made you into nations and tribes that you may know and honor each other (not that you should despise one another). Indeed the most honorable of you in the sight of God is the most righteous." (Chapter 49, Verse 13) You can find whatever you want.
202pdiddy 1 month ago
@202pdiddy
Due to abrogation, these peaceful verses are moot.
Chapter 9 of the Qur'an,is the most important concerning the issues of abrogation/jihad against unbelievers. It is the only chapter that does not begin "in the name of God, most benevolent ever-merciful."Commentators agree that Muhammad received this revelation the year before his death, when he had returned to Mecca and was at his strongest.Muhammad bin Ismail al-Bukhari (810-70), said it was the last chapter revealed to Muhammad
abbienetvision 1 month ago
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202pdiddy 1 month ago
@abbienetvision Really, no Jewish man has ever killed his wife? The IDF hasn't killed lots of civilians? You can argue that this is in self-defense, but doesn't this apply to almost every case of nationalist aggression in history? If you're looking for violence, the justification is there to be found, whether it be the Koran, the Torah, etc. By the way, Muslims also regard the Old Testament as a sacred text.
202pdiddy 1 month ago
@202pdiddy
The IDF hasn't killed a lot of civilians, there are lots of terrorists in the palestinians. They are taught, as you can see here (this vid is from this month, the Mufti of Jerusalem) where the koran is used to show what to do with Jews, if you are Muslim. The Mufti has said that he cannot be charged with antisemitism due to this speech, since he was only saying what is written in the koran. v=YAycGEQigSs
Do you want to see the koran's text here? Koran is 80% violent against others
abbienetvision 1 month ago
@abbienetvision "The IDF hasn't killed a lot of civilians..." Whatever you say Abbie.
202pdiddy 1 month ago
@202pdiddy
Are these kids civilians?
14 yr old suicide bomber v=PPU4UN03t7E
See the kids who want to kill Jews, more than live a good life..11 yr old girls v=8dPb1bF-s4M
Here is the 21 yr old innocent woman who had her life saved by Israel v=22XEkJY62VA
The teenagers who just last month killed a 25 yr old man and his baby by throwing rocks
The teenagers who massacred the Itamar Family last year
The HRW groups have all made these people "innocent" in their reports of deaths! But are they?
abbienetvision 1 month ago
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202pdiddy 1 month ago
@abbienetvision I defer to the findings of the Red Cross, the UN, Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch.
202pdiddy 1 month ago
@202pdiddy
I understand where your information is from, but is it realistic? Red Cross, amnesty international,and UN are all terrorist fronts. Want to see the vid of the palis who shoot out of Red Cross Ambulances or carry terrorists in them? Or the palis who are in the UN buildings shooting at Israelis and using the yards of the UN for rocket launching?
Human right watch? Which one?
Why is it that those innocent palis who are killed are almost all within the age range of terrorist and male?
abbienetvision 1 month ago
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202pdiddy 1 month ago
@abbienetvision Sure, who cares what numerous independent observers say. After all, most of those killed were young and male.
202pdiddy 1 month ago
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Terrorists were reported as "innocent civilians"
Did your independent observers say that out of 1285 fatalities, at least 950 were males aged 15 or higher. While males over age 15 make up approximately 25%of the Gaza population, they made up over 74%of the fatalities?
Where is the report by your human rights groups on this story from 17/1/2012 –"A Palestinian rights activist in Gaza who criticised the Palestinian government &"resistance" in an article has been stabbed many times"?
abbienetvision 1 month ago
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202pdiddy 1 month ago
@abbienetvision Even you would have to admit that that's a pretty flimsy argument.
202pdiddy 1 month ago
@202pdiddy
Are you saying abrogation of the peaceful verses of the koran is "a pretty flimsy argument" of the reports on civilian deaths taken from the pali groups are false (the Human Rights groups in Gaza are run by Hamas) there is no independent source there!
Who works for these groups and is there any group in Gaza that is allowed to report the truth? You know about the Pali who wrote about Hamas killing the palis and was stabbed to death this past week? That is why nobody is unbias in Gaza
abbienetvision 1 month ago
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@abbienetvision You can repeat the same flimsy arguments over and over, but the fact is that Israel has killed plenty of civilians. Independent observers, including the UN, have condemned Israel for this. Ya, the Red Cross, Amnesty International and the UN are all tools of Hamas...whatever. Just look at the casualty figures; it's obvious a lot of civilians have been killed by the Israeli military. Saying most of them were young males hardly mitigates those figures. This is insane.
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Nobody says the torah or the bible is perfect; they both contradict many times, but no Jew or Christians considers them perfect! The koran says it is PERFECT and it contradicts in the worst ways, saying to be peaceful then saying to murder, and the rule of abrigation (the later being the only one to follow) exists ONLY in the Koran.
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202pdiddy 2 weeks ago
@abbienetvision Gee, really? Ask a Christian/Jew/Muslim whether their respective holy book is the word of God and they'll all answer yes. What a quibbling response.
202pdiddy 2 weeks ago
@202pdiddy
What bullshit. Nobody says the bible or Torah are PERFECT. Please get your head out of your ass and look it up.
There are loads of books even on it, one is by a man who was raised as a religious Jew, who is very well known and very Zionistic and is a Harvard law professor. His name is Alan Dershowitz.
Look up his books and see that nobody ever said the Torah is perfect and we should follow everything they did. Many times in the Torah, people behaved badly and were PUNISHED!
abbienetvision 2 weeks ago
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202pdiddy 2 weeks ago
@abbienetvision Gee, I didn't notice the asterisks last time I opened a Bible or Torah. They also contain the same types of contradictions.
202pdiddy 2 weeks ago
@202pdiddy
If you had read the Bible or Torah you would have known the basic principles of both of these religions is the ten Commandments and the Golden Rule.
Islam,on the other hand, doesn't have either of these, and says the exact opposite, rather than love your neighbor, the koran says to kill him, rather than don't murder, the koran says the only 100% way into paradise is to murder.
The koran doesn't say to treat others well, but badly, hurt them, lie to them, destroy them, no love there!
abbienetvision 2 weeks ago
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202pdiddy 2 weeks ago
@abbienetvision Saying Muslims believe in murder as a virtuous act is a statement no different than the blood libel calling Jews child killers.
202pdiddy 2 weeks ago
@202pdiddy
If 80% of the koran was not about who to hate and who to kill, if mohamed hadn't been a warlord, pedophile, thief, liar who all Muslims should aim to emulate, if the Muslims were not committing terror acts around the world daily, if the thousands dead just in the past few years from these people were still alive, I would be guilty of blood libel. However, the facts remain that everything that I have written here is factual, time to stop hiding behind the veil and stop lying!
abbienetvision 1 week ago
@abbienetvision I like how you just make up a percentage, throw it out there, then call it a fact.
202pdiddy 1 week ago
@abbienetvision There's about a billion Muslims worldwide, dipshit. I don't deny there's a problem with Islamic terrorism, but you're just being a bigot. I've already brought up independent human rights organizations who have condemned Israeli killing. But unlike you I won't go into bigotry; that doesn't mean Jews are violent people. I wouldn't argue that Christians are inherently violent because some have killed massive numbers of people. You're a small-minded person.
202pdiddy 1 week ago
@202pdiddy
It only takes one of the 'moderates' to open the koran and decide to follow it, as it is meant to be followed, behaving like Mohamed. If any Muslim does this, he must become a murderer. THIS IS FACT!
Islam is the only religion, which calls for murdering others to go to paradise, there is no other.
Islam is the only religion, which kills every day, all over the world, there is no other.
Islam is the only religion who is bent on taking over the world by force, there is no other.
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@abbienetvision You're saying Muslims think the Koran is "perfect", which is true in the sense that they consider it to be the word of God. But that doesn't mean that they don't discuss its interpretation just as other religions do with their own holy books. Also, it's strange that you would bring up the Ten Commandments, which are considered to be the literal word of God also. Muslims hold the Old Testament as a sacred text.
202pdiddy 2 weeks ago
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@202pdiddy
Are you saying abrogation of the peaceful verses of the koran is "a pretty flimsy argument" of the reports on civilian deaths taken from the pali groups are false (the Human Rights groups in Gaza are run by Hamas) there is no independent source there!
Who works for these groups and is there any group in Gaza that is allowed to report the truth? You know about the Pali who wrote about Hamas killing the palis and was stabbed to death this past week? That is why nobody is unbias in Gaza
abbienetvision 1 month ago
@202pdiddy
If Israel targeted civilians (even Goldstone has retracted that claim) then why would 75% dead be men, between the age of 15-40? This sex/age group is only 25% of the population of Gaza, so it is not coincidence, it is due to the terrorists being counted as civilians. Moreover, the terrorist dress as civilians so it is easy to lie about who they were.
These are HAMAS officers, listed as civilians
• Mahmoud Shalpokh
• Ayman Siam
• Amir Mansi
• Muhammad Hilou
• Abu Zakaria al-Jamal
abbienetvision 1 month ago
@202pdiddy
If Israel targeted civilians (even Goldstone has retracted that claim) then why would 75% dead be men, between the age of 15-40? This sex/age group is only 25% of the population of Gaza, so it is not coincidence, it is due to the terrorists being counted as civilians. Moreover, the terrorist dress as civilians so it is easy to lie about who they were.
These are HAMAS officers, listed as civilians
• Mahmoud Shalpokh
• Ayman Siam
• Amir Mansi
• Muhammad Hilou
• Abu Zakaria al-Jamal
abbienetvision 1 month ago
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@202pdiddy
If Israel targeted civilians (even Goldstone has retracted that claim) then why would 75% dead be men, between the age of 15-40? This sex/age group is only 25% of the population of Gaza, so it is not coincidence, it is due to the terrorists being counted as civilians. Moreover, the terrorist dress as civilians so it is easy to lie about who they were.
These are HAMAS officers, listed as civilians
• Mahmoud Shalpokh
• Ayman Siam
• Amir Mansi
• Muhammad Hilou
• Abu Zakaria al-Jamal
abbienetvision 1 month ago
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202pdiddy 1 month ago
@abbienetvision My point in posting these passages is not to elevate or denigrate anyone's religion. Taking the most orthodox, literal interpretations of 1000+ year old religious texts, while ignoring the religion as it is most commonly practiced, is dishonest.
Also, the judgement of the rape case in NJ you referred to was not based on Sharia. It was based on NJ legal statutes. I think the guy was despicable also, but you're claiming he's representative of Muslims at large, which isn't so.
202pdiddy 1 month ago
@202pdiddy
I again present you with a challenge, since your analogy of Orthodox Jews to Muslims is still not applicable. Find ONE orthodox jew who will say that raping non-Jewish women or raping them is alright, or says that marrying a little girl is acceptable!
I can show you loads, here in youtube alone, of Muslims imams and clerics who tell Muslims that this is acceptable behavior TODAY!
The NJ judge based his decision on Islamic disrespect of women as the norm, not criminal!
abbienetvision 1 month ago