Some steps were cool but some were horrible. This championship salsa NOT salsa you would see someone dancing in a club n if they do their just keen. QUE VIVA LA RAZA LATINA!!
i thought a nyc choreographer came up with that beyonce dance. who knows what dances they were trained in. looked like samba hip rolls to me. flamenco has crazy hip rolls. via rajastani gypsies and north african styles.
"i thought a nyc choreographer came up with that beyonce dance"
Again, recycling of dances. Josephine Baker brought the same "booty dance" to Paris in the 20s. I am quite sure 18th & 19th century North American Black folk had little or no contact with samba or flamenco. This demonstrates the bond that Black dance in all of the Americas shares.
JUemadreeee...esq cada vez que veo este video me inspira a ser mejor bailarina. Que orgullosa me siento de tener raices en un pais tan rico de muscia, baile y pasion. Viva COLOMBIA!
I pitty "BoriquaRikan's" ethnocentric views. Oh, I'm sorry...you might have to look that word up in the dictionary because, based on your responses, I can tell you have limited knowledge of vocabulary. A true critique always gives credit to the art of dancing. A true dancer or one who has experience in dancing RESPECTS the efforts and uniqueness of other dancers. Oh, and check the word ignorant in the dictionary as well, your picture might be on there...
la cuestion no es de pelea, la salsa es hermosa y cada cual la baila como quiere.........pero para mi el estilo colombiano es el mejor, nos pone a brincar la sangre.......
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The thing is These Moves are all Tipical PUETORICAN MOVES...jajaj Don't know what the Hype is all about??...Another Colombian imitating a BORICUA Style..lol Still looks like shit since this is Fekka' Fekka'...Not Orignal. Please, Make up your own Moves Colombia dejen de Copiar...dejen la Guasimiya...hasta en la Music se copean
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WHAT????...jajaja That Africans Brought to the Americas??? WHAT????...Are you fucken Kid'n me?? Dude, check yourself before you wreck yourself..Man, Papa U pa, I thought you would come back Strong! Damm! Africa has nothing to do with the Moves at all...Salsa dancing and Music has African Influence YES! only the instruments, Conga,Bongo,Maracas.Not Trombon, Not Trumpet, Not Sax! The moves were made up from the people who mixed other dances..your talking about GUAGUANCO, BOMBA, PLENA thats AFRICAN
Dude the foundation of the music is African. Just like with jazz, the Black descendants of the African slaves combined the rhythms of their homelands with new influences they found in the new land and created a new music. Everybody else heard these sounds, but it was the African descendants who created the new sound.
Look at swing dancing, lindy hop. It is a dance that incorporated African dance with European waltz. Again it was the African descendant who created this dance mixing the old with the new. Same with this. If you study traditional African dance you will find very similar moves. You certainly will not find this athleticism, fluidity of movement & grace in Euro dancing or even Native dancing.
@luvureally "You certainly will not find this athleticism, fluidity of movement & grace in Euro dancing or even Native dancing."
maybe not this specific version athleticism, fluidity and grace... both native americans and europians have deep traditions of dance. the waltz or ballet for example is very fluid and graceful. flamenco or irish footwork can be athletic. native dance culture is deep too. its central to many tribes.
american dances are a mix of american cultures and influences.
All cultures have a tradition of dance. I meant this form of dance. I will also include the other popular dances created by people of African descent in the Americas - swing/lindy hop, Charleston, merenque, mambo, rumba, cha-cha-cha, cakewalk, samba, black bottom, R&R dance. My comment should have emphasized rhythm. The rhythm is what really stands out with these dances. Different than that of Europeans & Native Americans.
Yes American dances are a mixture of cultures & influences, but it was Blacks (for the most part) who added the new influences to their African rhythms and created these new dances in the Americas.
theres a flamenco step that becomes the samba step if you speed it up. many carribean syncopations mimick bird calls and insect noises. the influence of gallic footwork on black dancing is well known (TAP). obviously people of native and euro decent were very influenced by africans. its weird you would see it as a one way influence.
In my previous comment I stated that Blacks combined their African rhythms with cultural influences from their new land to create new dances. This happened with the music also.
I see that you want to give blacks %1000 of the credit for developing these dance and music styles. thats just not realistic. there are many famous non black artists in all the dance and music forms you have described. there is a feedback loop between artists of all ethnicities on all continents - like a global cypher. they pass steps/styles back and forth like a conversation. check sailor dances of the 18th and 17th century. etc
What part did you not understand? I said Blacks created dances that had influences from other cultures. For instance lindyhop was definitely influenced by the waltz. Those new dances were first done in Black communities and then spread to other communities.
@luvureally you keep back tracking and qualifying your words. you start out saying that this is exclusively an african dance and the moves were brought over from africa. then you aknowledge that the africans were reacting to styles from other sources. then you aknowledge that the styles moved on from teh africans. so essentially all that matters to you is that some black people did the style for a minute in their community? based on other styles. before the styles continued on ...
Based on other styles? Black people created dances and styles based on African tradition with European and Native influences. The one thing that never changed was the rhythm Africans brought with them. Done for a minute? Dances in the Black community continue on with different name. The moonwalk goes back to slavery, it was known as the backslide in the early 20th century. In 50s it was called the slop.
Jukin, jit, krumpin, breaking, poppin, lockin, clowining, dances they have been around in some form since Blacks have been in the Americas! Look up the 1936 video "Ag'ya Danmye Lada Compilation", it is a demonstration of a capoira style of martial arts in Martinique. In USA Blacks had something that was called "knockin & kickin". There was a video from 1894 of three Black men doing something very similar to break dancing. The dance of Black folk was/is similar throughout the Americas.
you can look at the similarities of the dances and make sweeping generalizations & simplifications based on ethnic pride. i am pointing out the differances and complexity. the individuality of the dances/dancers & the complexity of the influences. breaking vs capeoira vs what they do in angola and martinique vs kung fu hurricane kicks etc
The point is they brought it with them from Africa. Why do Blacks throughout the Americas have very similar dance styles? Blacks developed swing/waltz like dances in North & South America & the Caribbean. You cannot twist it. Based on African rhythms and adding influences from their new lands, Africans created new dances. That is what people do when stripped of their original culture. Create a new one. Brought here with nothing but memories, Africans went on to create new cultures.
@luvureally i appluad your afrocentrism. but youre never going to convince me that all american music and dance styles are african just because they are influenced by african styles. the iberian influence on latin dance and music is obvious. the guy in this vid is wearing flamenco style boots. the root vs influence of those styles would depend on perspective and individual artist. the iberian+native influence can account for regional differances etc.
As I applaud your eurocentrism. It was Blacks who combined the African dance moves & European influences to create new styles. Why did the dances first appear in Black communities? White folks dropped in the hood to show them these new dance steps before demonstrating them in their own 'hoods? Since late 19th century most popular USA dances created in Black community. Similar pattern in Latin countries with African presence.
"the guy in this vid is wearing flamenco style boots"
Jackie Wilson wore a similar boot in the 60s, it was fashion! If one wears an Italian suit to a dance does that mean you will be doing Italian dances? Most Black folks in the west wear European clothing, so what does that have to do with anything?
if jackie wilson was wearing those boots in 2008 (or whenever this was done) rahter than in the 1960s (when they were in style as part of the british invasion) and he was doing flamenco inspired moves as part of a latin dance. the boots might have significance.
i see youre blind to everything that doesnt fit into your world view. if africans build on a non african style = an african style. if non africans build on a african style = a african style. thats a silly catch 22.
You're ass-uming on something you obviously know nothing about. At least do a little research, Wilson died in 1984. It had nothing to do with flamenco, it was the fashion of the times. Wilson was an ex-boxer who incorporated boxing moves along with splits and spins into his choreography. No flamenco. One of best singers & performers of R&R era. Much of what is known as "latin" dance in Americas shld be called Afro-Latin dance.
@luvureally youve obviously mis-read my statement. I never said Wilson was influenced by Flamenco. I did say his reason for wearing boots is in a differant context.
but yes clothing, costume and footwear do influence dance styles. and good luck adding afro to any genre you think was influenced by africans decendents.
@luvureally only in your brain am i trying to diminish the influence of african movements on americans of african decent. im also pointing out that some styles become international and global and take on a life of their own - they become a subculture onto their own. aknowleding that some music or dance cultures grow larger than the 20 or so people that may originate a style does in no way diminish the contribution of those specific individuals regardless of their ethnic background.
I am talking about the creators, the people who were the first to play a certain music or dance in a certain style. There would not be a subculture if not for the original culture. Most of the music created by Black folks in the Americas has become international. Those "20 or so people" as you put it, were Black people who created the dance and music styles. Styles rooted in their African ancestry with influences from their new land.
@luvureally It would be a HUGE exagerration to imagine that "Most of the music created by Black folks in the Americas has become international." also, I draw a destinction between various african american regional cultures and styles and those of the specific tribes of africa. and I also aknowledge the value of the specific individuals whos invent a style. they go to a lot of trouble to develope unique personal styles. they could be influenced by mimes on tv. or their next door neighbor.
"It would be a HUGE exagerration to imagine that "Most of the music created by Black folks in the Americas has become international."
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reggae, calypso, blues, jazz, gospel, soul/r&b,
funk, ragtime, ska, son, cumbia,samba, R&R, hip hop, rumba, mambo, reggaeton, merengue, rock steady, bachata. I am sure 18th & 19th century slaves learned plenty from mimes on t.v.
@luvureally those are a miniscule number of styles compared to number of "black" styles that exist at this moment. let alone going back to the 19th and 18th century.
pan africanism has largly been abandoned by african nation states. puerto ricans will proudly tell you that salsa is a puerto rican, and cubans call colombian salsa cumbia. etc. these are distinct regional american styles.
That "miniscule" number, created by the descendants of Africans, has made a huge impact on music the world over. In USA alone there are millions of people of Italian, German, Irish, Polish, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Filipino, Mexican & other ethnic persuasions. None has created as many genres of music and dance styles that have had the global impact of those of West African ancestry.
"pan africanism has largly been abandoned by african nation states."
Abandoned by corrupt, immoral despots who have handed over the resources of their country for a few trinkets.
Black Americans will proudly tell you that jazz, gospel, blues, soul, ragtime, hip hop, etc., are all American music and that they were all created by Black people. These genres are also "distinct regional American styles". So whats your point?
aside from the fake colonial borders that plague africa theres an underlying tribal conflict. see hutus and tutsi. and also within music genres. my point being that its nice you identify with such a wide group of people. across the world. im sure if you were chinese you would be crowing about the invention of paper and how all paper based culture around the world is chinese culture or some such nonsense.
"my point being that its nice you identify with such a wide group of people. across the world."
I am speaking of music & dance created by American descendants of African captives from West Africa -present day Ghana, Senegal, Sierra Leone, Nigeria, Cameroon, Gambia, Angola, etc., I did not say anything about music of Ethiopian, Sudan, Somalia, Morocco, Kenya, Uganda, etc.,. There you go with your double talk again.
at first you generalized "african" - only now youre distinguishing west african and getting specific about post colonial territories. if you were truly proud of west african heritage you might want to identify these people by their tribal identites.
If you knew more about euro dances you could point out that iberian dance is highly influenced by west african music. the triplet shuffle pattern is from moroc via mali. ballet dance is also highly influenced by african dance by way of spain.
"if you were truly proud of west african heritage you might want to identify these people by their tribal identites."
I said they are now known as. Ok how about Yoruba, Edo, Igbo, Edo, Mandinka, Wolof, Hausa, Fulani, Akan, Asante, Ashanti ? Still double talk. You are not dealing with the fact that Black folks built upon traditions from their homeland & added influences from new land to create new cultures-music, food, dance, etc., Even gave Christianity a new twist.
youre already "dealing with" or asserting the african narrative - from an african american perspective. im sure many of the puerto ricans that created the first music marketed as salsa in spanish harlem in nyc in teh 70s were of mixed race backgrounds. new individualistic and regionals styles of music are still being created - many identified as salsa - others rejected as salsa and catagorized differantly according to various critical or mercatile gate keepers/promoters and according to pride.
you may want to take your fight to wikipedia since they dont support your pov (yet).
thanks for the tribal list. afro cuban and yoruba dance styles look very close. a couple of John Jairo " Piña" Rodriguez moves look very sabar. the leg sweep looks edo. breaking gets many floor moves from carib.
the knee slaps look like a gypsy/flamenco influence. the toe and heel hits are very euro - from boot based dances. could be flamenco. or celtic/gallic by way of american swing tap influence.
is spagetti italian? chinese might say there would be no noodles without china. some one from venice might claim marco polo. a tribal person from southern china that eats only rice might have a problem with "china." an italian might have a problem with american chef boyardi. spagetti in india has a unique flavor - is it still spagetti? at some point one chef invented spagetti. is that hair splitting or double talk? reality is complex. history is simple because its mythology.
Like music, food can be influenced by different cultures. Indians, Jamaicans, Chinese, Thai, etc., are known for their curry food. All good, but unique & different. Same with rice. Spaghetti or noodles used by many cultures, they call came up with something new and different. Why is there Italian food, Indian food, Thai food, etc.,? Simple in that folk will always take away influences from others and come up with new ideas. What is complex about that?
i agree. many of the music genres youre proud of were labelled to marginalize music/musicians. the labels youre using are part of the same game. of dividing people to your own personal agrandizement. thats why your choice to divid people by ethnicity, region or nation state changes to support whatever arguement youre choosing t make.
the peruvians grow 30 types of potatos. the europians chose one style to grow in ireland etc. what we consider modern potatos comes from this. saying peru invented or domesticated the potato is true. but the full story is more complex. the world is a complex place. you can do youre afro affirmations and honor your heroic narrative but thats a simplified picture.
"European culture has been the standard by which other cultures have been judged" the europian powers used technology to dominate other cultures. note that the first historian on record, the greek herotodus, gave credit to egypt and sub saharan africa for thier cultural roots.
I know this, but most people do not. But back to the dance & music. There is nothing new about one culture absorbing influences from others to create a new art form. What is so hard about that. Yes the music & dance created by African descendants has influences from Europe & Indigenous people. But again, it was the Africans who added those influences to their own music & dance traditions to create something new. Others were surrounded by the same sounds, but it was Blacks who did it.
"proudly tell you" i dont care what they will tell me - if its based on something as borish as pride. if some european started boasting about harmonics and (stacking notes) chording that created a revolution in music around the world - my eyes would glaze over and roll back into my head.
if some european started boasting about harmonics and (stacking notes) chording that created a revolution in music around the world - my eyes would glaze over and roll back into my head.
Well they most be permanently glazed and stuck back into your head. There is no escaping the worldwide glorification of European culture. The only "serious" music & dance is European. The job has been so thorough that millions of non-whites bleach their skin & alter their features in pursuit of "whiteness".
I don't know much about European classical music & dance, but what I hear and see is beautiful, thanks to PBS. You have the luxury of pontificating from your 'we are all one", pseudo liberalism stance, since for centuries European culture has been the standard by which other cultures have been judged. Jazz, blues, rumba, samba, etc., in early years all denigrated by ruling class, now all of a sudden it is all "colorblind". Wasn't so in beginning.
i think the proper person for you to argue with is some one that has no knowledge of music or dance history. then youre arguements might be worth your breath. i find youre emphasis on black pride to be overly simplistic and borish. i hope youre of african decent, otherwise you sound silly.
"I draw a destinction between various african american regional cultures and styles and those of the specific tribes of africa."
More double talk. Italian American, Irish-American, Mexican-American culture, etc., not identical to that of their ancestral homelands. I quote James Brown "You're like a dull knife that just ain't cuttin, just talking loud & saying nothing"!
obviously were not going to see eye to eye. mostly a point of emphasis than anything else. & yes, its getting boring for both of us. since were having this conversation, i will ask - which specific west african dance or dances did the heel toe c-walk type movements come from?
Country music has English, Scott-Irish & blues & gospel influences. Jimmie Rodgers & Hank Williams were heavily influenced by blues. Southern whites of English & Scott-Irish descent used those influences to create country music. The music has many influences, but its creators were American southern whites. Tejano incorporates polka, mariachi, blues, country, r&b, R&R. Mexican Americans used those influences to create tejano. Folks use influences to create something new all the time, even Blacks
the genre salsa and caleno salsa are classified under seperate names from afro colombian, afro cuban and congelese rhumba.
the banjo is an instrument that originated in africa . calling country a white genre is an over simplification. many early rural musicians (black and white) performed country and blues. & im sure theres a heavy native influence in tejano.
banjo, banjar, banjil, bango, it had many names. In the early days of country music the most difficult form of guitar picking was known as "nigger pickin". Whites played blues after hearing Blacks folks play it first. Again, like Blacks, southern Whites also combined their ancestral heritage along with new influences in the new land to create a new music. Salsa is the 1st cousin if not brother of Afro-Cuban music.
@luvureally its funny that you would recognize mexican americans as mexican (rather than as euro and native americans) and you refuse to recognize colombians as colombians.
Get off the double talk. Many if not most Mexican Americans describe themselves as Mexican Americans, some in California use Chicano. Large percentage are mestizo, some are Native and a small amount have African ancestry. You're playing word games and going around the mulberry bush in your attempt to deny the & diminish the contributions Blacks have made to dance & music in the Americas.
@luvureally Yes the roots of most Latin American musics and genres are from BLACK AFRICANS! Fact! Look at salsa! It developed from Afro Cubans! And Afro Cubans came from Africa and Jamaica, and Haiti and other parts of the West Indies and they added an influence and this is the roots of Salsa!
@mexidominikingable2 The best music and dance out of Latin America & North America produced by those of African descent. Mexico even "adopted" cumbia from the Black Colombians, just as the Mexican-Americans have "adopted" Black American music (classic soul/r&b) and refer to it as Chicano oldies and swear that rap came from the Aztecs.
@luvureally NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO IN YOUR DREAM BLACK COLOMBIAN ?????? I KNOW COLOMBIAN BUT BLACK BCOLOMBIAN I DONT NOW THAT AND YES THE MORE AFLYUENSE INA AMERICALATIA IS SPAICH INFLUENSE FORM SPAIN THANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNK YOU
@mexidominikingable2 I am BLACK American and have ancestors from West Africa just like millions of Blacks in Latin American, we come from the same African cultures. Over 200,000 Africans brought to Mexico during colonial years. At one time Africans out numbered Spaniards. You Mexican & Dominican? Dominican Republic has large Black population. Most of the Blacks in Major League Baseball are from Dominican Republic. So you might have a double dose of Black ancestry.
@luvureally noooooooooooo listen here all the pople in america like my and aniother hispanic mulato are tree rasail mestizo mulato for many years many cycle thhis popluatio was mixed i many generation we ave othing too se whit black rase and america latina ave nothig to see whit africa because the majority are ative amrica n or mixed white and native and this people come from asia mongholia chia and the mulato mestizo like my and in general are not black and
@mexidominikingable2 so David "Big Papi" Ortiz, Sammy Sosa, Robinson Cano, Roberto Clemente, Teofilo Stevenson, Jon Secada, Manny Ramirez, Immortal Technique, Johnny Loboriel, Beny More, Christina Milian, Ibrahim Ferrer, Celia Cruz, Christina Milian, Felix "Tito" Trinidad, Rosario Dawson, Rosie Perez, Irene Cara, Lauren Velez, Giovani dos Santos Ramírez, Kalimba Marichal Ibar, are all white??
@mexidominikingable2 LOL, most of those people I named do not look anymore mixed than Black Americans. Celia Cruz, Big Papi, Johnny Loboriel, Felix Trinidad white??!! You are funny and desperate.
@luvureally FPOR THIS TRIONIDAD IS TREE RASIAL PERDON SPAICH MAKE BLACK IN SLAVE AAAAAAAAAAAAA BLAK WAS MAKLE IN SLAVE IN AFRICA PEOPLE MAKE BLACK IN SLAVE IN AFRICA BEFORE THE EUROPEEN ARE T ANOTHER BLACK AFRICAN AND ARABICpeople too make black in slave , THA IS THE HISTORY OF ESCLAGISMA BEFORE EUROPEEN KOMMM IN AFRICA
@mexidominikingable2 There were civilizations in Africa long before the Arabs & the Europeans arrived. Nothing changes the fact that there are millions of Black Spanish speaking people in Latin America. Trinidad is a Black man, anybody with eyes can see that. What was the great Celia Cruz, what about Roberto Clemente & Mexican singer Johnny Loboriel?
@mexidominikingable2 Well then what are those people I listed like Celia Cruz, Felix Trinidad, Roberto Clemente, Irene Cara, Carlos Delgado, David Ortiz? Did I say you were all Black, no I didn't. Buy many of you are. It is Blacks that produced this hard, swinging percussive music.
@luvureally trinidad all are mixed all we are not black not african why you want asositae black ate latino nooooooooo i know my history is not the same at you thank
@luvureally IN MEXICO AVE IMIGRATION TOO HAVE HAITIAN OR BLACK AMERICAN IN MEXICO MARIO VAN PEBLES ARE AMERICAN AND MEXICAN SU FATHER IS BLACK AMERICAN
@mexidominikingable2 I did not say Marc Anthony, Rosalyn Sanchez & Ricky Martin were Black, obviously they are not. Puerto Ricans who are Black include Felix Trinidad, Tego Calderon, Irene Cara, Carlos Delgado, Juano Hernandez, Bernie Williams, Roberto Clemente, Maxwell, Antonio Fargas, Wilfred Benitez, Willie Bobo.
@luvureally NLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO RIKY MARTIN ROSELYN SANNNNNCHEZ EVA MENDEZ MARC ANTOHNY TIA TEXADA ROSELLY SNCHEZ ARE TAINO NATIVE AMERICAN MIXED WHIT WHITR TRINIDAD IS TREE RASIAL ANTOIO FRAGAS TOO BENITEZ TOO STOP INSITE WE ARE OT THE SAME AT YOU FOR NOTHING
@mexidominikingable2 Face there are millions of Black "latinos". Do you know the difference between English speaking Blacks and Spanish speaking Blacks - one group was enslaved by the English the other enslaved by the Spanish.
@luvureally FIRS PORTO ?RICAN MAY ARE WHITE AD NATIVE AMERICA MARC ATOHY JENY LOPEZ RENOLY SANTIAO TIA TEXADA ARE NOT BLACK PORTO RICAN ARE TREE RASIAL %MANY ARE WHITE ONLY OR TAIO ONKLY LIKE CUBAN FOMIICAN ARE TREE RASIAL SO OOOOOOOOOOOOOO AFRICAN NOT BLACK OK
@mexidominikingable2 But Roberto Clemente, Felix Trinidad, Wilfredo Benitez, Ruben Sierra, Irene Cara, Orlando Cepeda, Carlos Delgado - all Puerto Ricans and are Black. What do you mean African not Black? Blacks in Cuba & Puerto Rico come from the same West African countries as Blacks in USA, Jamaica & Haiti. Blacks in USA, Jamaica, Haiti have African, European & Native ancestry also. So I guess everybody is "tree raisal".
@luvureally black was in slave in africa before the europekomm in africa black african was i slave by another black african ethnie and arabic too mke black in slave before the europeen,
@mexidominikingable2 What does that have to do with the fact that there are millions of Black Latinos?! They came to America as a result of European slavery. The Aztecs and the Mayans had slavery before the Europeans arrived, so what are you saying? Slavery was practiced everywhere.
@luvureally we ave hite origin to so we are europeen too we have native american too so if you want more about native origin we are asian too so whu you see african origin here the majority in america contienet is ative american and mestizo white and native in carie many are white native american tainio and the mestizo mulato mean tree rasial mulato whit white and native american origin so nooooooooooooooo black we re not african thank you
@mexidominikingable2 There are millions of Latinos who are Native & European, but also millions who aren't, like Celia Cruz, Sammy Sosa, Felix Trinidad, Roberto Clemente, Pele, Orlando Cepeda, David Ortiz, Gina Torres, Edgar Renteria, Felix Trinidad, etc., These people are BLACK whether you like it or not.
@luvureally TIA TEXADA MARC ANTONY ROSELYN SANCHEZ EVA MENDEZ RENOLY SANTIAO ARE NOT BLACKKKKKKKKKKKK WHY YOU WE ARE OT THE SAME AT YOU WE AE TRI RASIAL YOU YOU BLACK LATINO IS LATINIO WE ARE NOT PART OF BLACK COMUNUTY STOP INSITED GRASIAS
@luvureally MILION MESTIZO OR NATIVE ARE I AMERICA LATINA IS THE MAJORITY WHY YO U SAY BLA I TOLD YOU WE ARE NOT BLACK WE ARE TREE RASIAL SO NON BLCK BLACK IS AFRICAN HATIAN JAMAICAN BLACK AMERICAN IF WE WANT CALL HIM AMERICAN ALL YOU ARE BLACK LATIN NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO TRINIDAD TRI RASIAL CLEMENTE TOO ORMLANDO CXEPEDO TOO
@mexidominikingable2 The ones I mentioned ARE NOT white or Taino. Felix Trinidad and Roberto Clemente are not white or Taino. So what are the "tree Raises"?
@luvureally Mexidominikingable2 is a racist and says that there are no Black Latinos! Mexidominikingable2 is black himself! He can't even speak English or Spanish lol! He says Black Matinos are immigrants from Jamaica or Haiti or Black Americans but he is nothing more than a self centered racist fuck!!!
@luvureally He called u a nigger afocentrist monkey bitch! In his comments he was saying you are an African monkey bitch! He was saying that Latinos are Latinos and that since you talk about blacks you are a Caribbean or black American cuz he cla them dirty niggers and racist names but mexidominikingable2 is black himself!!
@chsn09 He is one sick little twisted lawn jockey! He will eat a yard of shit from people that hate him and then run to the doctor to get an okay to eat another yard. Old stank mouth!
@mexidominikingable2 I'm not teaching your history, if Celia Cruz, Felix Trinidad, Roberto Clemente, Johnny Loboriel, Beny More, Sammy Sosa, Manny Ramirez, Big Papi & Irene Cara aren't Black, what are they? Are you saying they are white?!
@mexidominikingable2 Sorry Felix Trinidad white & Taino?! I'm sure he has some white ancestry and maybe a little Taino, but the African ancestry is the dominant one. Rosie Perex has full nose & lips and nappy hair she has to chemically relax to get it straight.
@mexidominikingable2 Brown haired, gray eyed Vanessa Williams also "pure black africa" Bob Marley with the white father and black mother & Sean Paul who looks whiter than most Mexicans is "pure african like jamaicabn"? Spanish is not the only Latin language - French, Italian, Portuguese & Romanian are also Latin languages. Latino is not a race (if there is such a thing). Latinos can be of Asian, African, European, Indigenous ancestry or all of the above. Not much pure anything in Americas.
@luvureally LOL! Aim Higher in YOUR analasyis! You NEED to know and make sure how YOU define mestizo? Because it can mean triracial! Many mestizoes may have strong African ancestry in them along with European and indigenous ancestry and might be called afro mestizos etc or euro zambos! And West African admixture in LOW amounts is VERY common among MANY Mexicans! The Afro/Black population of Mexico is MORE than 5 million people!!!
@chsn09 I am aware of the African presence in Mexico. But I always thought mestizo meant indigenous and European. The mestizos that I have know have always claimed an indigenous and European ancestry. I guess Hugo Chavez would be an example of this triracial makeup. It makes sense.
@luvureally Hugo Chavez is considered a pardo in Venezuela! More than 75% of Venezuela's population has African ancestry! Yeah, studies have shown in a multitude of mestizo pplz/communities many posessed significant and/or traceable amounts of black ancestry in the mestizoes! Also many mestizoes may be a mix of mulattoes and mestizoes! Traditionally, mestizo does refer to European and indigenous however it has included black into that mix as well!
@luvureally Higo Chavez is of mixed black, white, and indigenous descent! Many of the mestizoes that you have known may have claimed to be of a European and indigenous mix, however many of them could be just Spanish speaking indigenous ppl or they chose to deny or downplay or not know about their African heritage!
Of course "Colombians are Colombians". I was speaking of the cultural contributions of those of African descent, a group that is still being discriminated against and marginalized.
first you describe how blacks combined European influences with their own. then you deny the same influence with your "White folks dropped in the hood" dismissal. and you omit that once a style passed through the hood, and it influenced broader culture, the new style influenced the hood again. its a feedback loop. Im just stating that in the americas and in the world, artists are influenced by other artists. to try to dissect and seperate/segregate artistic influence is arbitrary.
I am not denying anything. It was Black people who combined their African traditions with the influences they found in the new land to create new dances. Others heard these same sounds, but it was BLACK folk who put them TOGETHER to create new dances and music. I'm just saying artist use influences to create new sounds.
@luvureally you can look at the styles ethnocentrically, and it will allow you to appreciate an ethnic contribution. or you can look at the style geocentrially. "cali is the salsa capitol of teh world" or whatever. just remember that such limited perspectives distort the picture.
From my very first comment I stated that Africans combined their own dance & music traditions with those that saw and heard in their new lands. Read my comment from 6 months ago! In doing so they created new dance & music styles.
your ***FIRST*** comment from 7 months ago: "These are dances moves that Africans brought to the Americas. Latin America, USA, Caribbean, the dances are similar. " your revised statement is as bland as some one saying caleno salsa is a latin dance which was influenced by africans who were influenced by spaniards, who were influenced by gypsies who were influenced by arabs who were influenced by northern indians. etc
Of course they brought moves with them from Africa! If you have ever seen any kind of West African ( Where the majority of captives came from) dance you can see the similarity. The African moves are the foundation of the dances with Euro and Native influences added. Beyonce's "booty shakin" dance is of African origin. Show me a booty shakin dance of Euro or Native origin. Show me a Euro or Native dance with as much hip movement as African dance.
Yeah...That's True, After Seeing that Crap!! of Off beat sin Clave ya do, and going so fast it just don't look right...jajaja Colombieans call that Salsa??
Exactly!!!!!...NEVER!!! jajajaja and the Shit is, that the Music is a BORICUA Group.that a Colombian is dancing to, which is a Colombians dream to Be like a BORICUA(PUERTORICAN) got me!!
Stick to Cumbia, and even in that...If we Boricuas feel like it, We would take Cumbia and give it another Twist ...and take it to another level just like we did with LA BACHATA!! Thanks to two Boricuas called TEG/DonOMAR..i'm sure you wouldn't know what the fuck i'm talking about...Stick with your CUMBIA!
yeah?? do u even know who sings this?? why don't u give a try and tell me?? yeah i respect cuba and puerto rico for having bringing bomba, plena and guaguanco to NY, the same way a respect other countries for bring other native rythms to create salsa, because salsa was NOT created in puerto rico or cuba, it's a mix of alot of rythms including the colombian cumbia that you talk about...by the way, u just contradicted yourself when u said that these were boricuan moves. Try again!!
Dude...look's like he has no kind of balance...jajaja He look's like he's trying to Kill Fly's and Roches..His Heel Toe, Heel Toe is Supa WHACK!!...Papa, Colombia has no say so, in what so ever in SALSA!...ya like it, ya Hear it..and ya Buy it, What are the Salsa bands that Constantly Feed Salsa To ya?? THE BORICUAS!!PUNTO!ME BASTA Y ME SOBRA! tate' Tranquilo Man!You wish that Colombia had something to do with Salsa...Dream On!It's a CARIBEAN THING CONZUL,NOT SOUTH AMERICAN!me Basta y me Sobra!!
well, u still don't know who sings this, makes me think u don't know shit about SALSA!!...conzultico, let me remind you...is a latin thing! not a "caribbean" thing...yeah puerto rico mastered it but u have much to thank other countries for their influences....and to prove you that colombia has ALOT to do with salsa LET ME REMIND YOU WHO HAS WON THE LAST WORLD SALSA CHAMPIONSHIPS EVEN THE ONE IN PR. THE COLOMBIANS!!!! TRY AGAIN!!
Please, That Tema is from LA SONAR PONCEña which whoever is this PacoTiya Group trying to copy it...jaja Fijate lo que te voy a decir, It's about time that Colombia has won a Championship! and i'm pretty sure, the ones that ya went up against were WHACK DANCERS jaja..beleive me!! Shit!...Just Papito Jala'Jala's Group just one out of the Group would Smoke tha' Shit out of all the Colombian Wanna be Salsa Dancers jaja DUDE...Tate' Tran-Culo Y sin Pero-Cu-Peo' ser boricua es lo que esta de Moda!
juaa!! La poncena pana?? are u serious?? TRY AGAIN!! that's why los artistas boricuas le deben tanto a los colombianos por que si no hubiese sido por nosotros ese ritmo estuviese muerto. Los calenos mantenemos la salsa viva y pegando. and let me tell you that colombian won the championship in puerto rico on 2004 and won the ESPN championships against the worlds best salsa dancers, boricuas and everyone else, from 05 till 07...by the way its camilo azuquita with cortijo y su combo. keep trying
definitivamente el mejor estilo de salsa es el de cali asi les duela a los boriquas...y este man baila una chimba si no que con una pareja se veria mejor
Muy cierto, pero claro los boricuas se han concentrado tanto en copiar todos los generos musicales que nunca han movido los pies, sino el cuello que estiran. De baile nada!
john Rodriguez....El mejor bailarín de salsa en el mundo..tiene el sabor que muy pocos tienen y mirale que elegancia de movimientos...así es:champion de champions !!!...Dios te bendiga hombre.
Some steps were cool but some were horrible. This championship salsa NOT salsa you would see someone dancing in a club n if they do their just keen. QUE VIVA LA RAZA LATINA!!
colmbianoitaly 1 year ago
i thought a nyc choreographer came up with that beyonce dance. who knows what dances they were trained in. looked like samba hip rolls to me. flamenco has crazy hip rolls. via rajastani gypsies and north african styles.
ginsushark 2 years ago
A samba hip roll is an African hip roll!
"i thought a nyc choreographer came up with that beyonce dance"
Again, recycling of dances. Josephine Baker brought the same "booty dance" to Paris in the 20s. I am quite sure 18th & 19th century North American Black folk had little or no contact with samba or flamenco. This demonstrates the bond that Black dance in all of the Americas shares.
luvureally 2 years ago
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colombianita7196 2 years ago
JUemadreeee...esq cada vez que veo este video me inspira a ser mejor bailarina. Que orgullosa me siento de tener raices en un pais tan rico de muscia, baile y pasion. Viva COLOMBIA!
Colombnblood 2 years ago 2
He would be a beast at samba!
fuzmiq 2 years ago 2
@fuzmiq caleno salsa styles like boogaloo and pachanga mix well with samba.
ginsushark 2 years ago
hey pana a vos no te conoci en palmira vé?
gmomartinez 2 years ago
I pitty "BoriquaRikan's" ethnocentric views. Oh, I'm sorry...you might have to look that word up in the dictionary because, based on your responses, I can tell you have limited knowledge of vocabulary. A true critique always gives credit to the art of dancing. A true dancer or one who has experience in dancing RESPECTS the efforts and uniqueness of other dancers. Oh, and check the word ignorant in the dictionary as well, your picture might be on there...
Colombnblood 2 years ago 2
la cuestion no es de pelea, la salsa es hermosa y cada cual la baila como quiere.........pero para mi el estilo colombiano es el mejor, nos pone a brincar la sangre.......
yyerris2 2 years ago
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The thing is These Moves are all Tipical PUETORICAN MOVES...jajaj Don't know what the Hype is all about??...Another Colombian imitating a BORICUA Style..lol Still looks like shit since this is Fekka' Fekka'...Not Orignal. Please, Make up your own Moves Colombia dejen de Copiar...dejen la Guasimiya...hasta en la Music se copean
BoriquaRikan1227 2 years ago
BoriquaRikan1227 These are dances moves that Africans brought to the Americas. Latin America, USA, Caribbean, the dances are similar.
luvureally 2 years ago 4
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WHAT????...jajaja That Africans Brought to the Americas??? WHAT????...Are you fucken Kid'n me?? Dude, check yourself before you wreck yourself..Man, Papa U pa, I thought you would come back Strong! Damm! Africa has nothing to do with the Moves at all...Salsa dancing and Music has African Influence YES! only the instruments, Conga,Bongo,Maracas.Not Trombon, Not Trumpet, Not Sax! The moves were made up from the people who mixed other dances..your talking about GUAGUANCO, BOMBA, PLENA thats AFRICAN
BoriquaRikan1227 2 years ago
Dude the foundation of the music is African. Just like with jazz, the Black descendants of the African slaves combined the rhythms of their homelands with new influences they found in the new land and created a new music. Everybody else heard these sounds, but it was the African descendants who created the new sound.
luvureally 2 years ago 6
Look at swing dancing, lindy hop. It is a dance that incorporated African dance with European waltz. Again it was the African descendant who created this dance mixing the old with the new. Same with this. If you study traditional African dance you will find very similar moves. You certainly will not find this athleticism, fluidity of movement & grace in Euro dancing or even Native dancing.
luvureally 2 years ago 4
@luvureally "You certainly will not find this athleticism, fluidity of movement & grace in Euro dancing or even Native dancing."
maybe not this specific version athleticism, fluidity and grace... both native americans and europians have deep traditions of dance. the waltz or ballet for example is very fluid and graceful. flamenco or irish footwork can be athletic. native dance culture is deep too. its central to many tribes.
american dances are a mix of american cultures and influences.
ginsushark 2 years ago
All cultures have a tradition of dance. I meant this form of dance. I will also include the other popular dances created by people of African descent in the Americas - swing/lindy hop, Charleston, merenque, mambo, rumba, cha-cha-cha, cakewalk, samba, black bottom, R&R dance. My comment should have emphasized rhythm. The rhythm is what really stands out with these dances. Different than that of Europeans & Native Americans.
luvureally 2 years ago
Yes American dances are a mixture of cultures & influences, but it was Blacks (for the most part) who added the new influences to their African rhythms and created these new dances in the Americas.
luvureally 2 years ago
theres a flamenco step that becomes the samba step if you speed it up. many carribean syncopations mimick bird calls and insect noises. the influence of gallic footwork on black dancing is well known (TAP). obviously people of native and euro decent were very influenced by africans. its weird you would see it as a one way influence.
ginsushark 2 years ago
In my previous comment I stated that Blacks combined their African rhythms with cultural influences from their new land to create new dances. This happened with the music also.
luvureally 2 years ago
I see that you want to give blacks %1000 of the credit for developing these dance and music styles. thats just not realistic. there are many famous non black artists in all the dance and music forms you have described. there is a feedback loop between artists of all ethnicities on all continents - like a global cypher. they pass steps/styles back and forth like a conversation. check sailor dances of the 18th and 17th century. etc
ginsushark 2 years ago
What part did you not understand? I said Blacks created dances that had influences from other cultures. For instance lindyhop was definitely influenced by the waltz. Those new dances were first done in Black communities and then spread to other communities.
luvureally 2 years ago
@luvureally you keep back tracking and qualifying your words. you start out saying that this is exclusively an african dance and the moves were brought over from africa. then you aknowledge that the africans were reacting to styles from other sources. then you aknowledge that the styles moved on from teh africans. so essentially all that matters to you is that some black people did the style for a minute in their community? based on other styles. before the styles continued on ...
ginsushark 2 years ago
Based on other styles? Black people created dances and styles based on African tradition with European and Native influences. The one thing that never changed was the rhythm Africans brought with them. Done for a minute? Dances in the Black community continue on with different name. The moonwalk goes back to slavery, it was known as the backslide in the early 20th century. In 50s it was called the slop.
luvureally 2 years ago
Jukin, jit, krumpin, breaking, poppin, lockin, clowining, dances they have been around in some form since Blacks have been in the Americas! Look up the 1936 video "Ag'ya Danmye Lada Compilation", it is a demonstration of a capoira style of martial arts in Martinique. In USA Blacks had something that was called "knockin & kickin". There was a video from 1894 of three Black men doing something very similar to break dancing. The dance of Black folk was/is similar throughout the Americas.
luvureally 2 years ago
you can look at the similarities of the dances and make sweeping generalizations & simplifications based on ethnic pride. i am pointing out the differances and complexity. the individuality of the dances/dancers & the complexity of the influences. breaking vs capeoira vs what they do in angola and martinique vs kung fu hurricane kicks etc
ginsushark 2 years ago
The point is they brought it with them from Africa. Why do Blacks throughout the Americas have very similar dance styles? Blacks developed swing/waltz like dances in North & South America & the Caribbean. You cannot twist it. Based on African rhythms and adding influences from their new lands, Africans created new dances. That is what people do when stripped of their original culture. Create a new one. Brought here with nothing but memories, Africans went on to create new cultures.
luvureally 2 years ago
@luvureally i appluad your afrocentrism. but youre never going to convince me that all american music and dance styles are african just because they are influenced by african styles. the iberian influence on latin dance and music is obvious. the guy in this vid is wearing flamenco style boots. the root vs influence of those styles would depend on perspective and individual artist. the iberian+native influence can account for regional differances etc.
ginsushark 2 years ago
As I applaud your eurocentrism. It was Blacks who combined the African dance moves & European influences to create new styles. Why did the dances first appear in Black communities? White folks dropped in the hood to show them these new dance steps before demonstrating them in their own 'hoods? Since late 19th century most popular USA dances created in Black community. Similar pattern in Latin countries with African presence.
luvureally 2 years ago
"the guy in this vid is wearing flamenco style boots"
Jackie Wilson wore a similar boot in the 60s, it was fashion! If one wears an Italian suit to a dance does that mean you will be doing Italian dances? Most Black folks in the west wear European clothing, so what does that have to do with anything?
luvureally 2 years ago
if jackie wilson was wearing those boots in 2008 (or whenever this was done) rahter than in the 1960s (when they were in style as part of the british invasion) and he was doing flamenco inspired moves as part of a latin dance. the boots might have significance.
i see youre blind to everything that doesnt fit into your world view. if africans build on a non african style = an african style. if non africans build on a african style = a african style. thats a silly catch 22.
ginsushark 2 years ago
You're ass-uming on something you obviously know nothing about. At least do a little research, Wilson died in 1984. It had nothing to do with flamenco, it was the fashion of the times. Wilson was an ex-boxer who incorporated boxing moves along with splits and spins into his choreography. No flamenco. One of best singers & performers of R&R era. Much of what is known as "latin" dance in Americas shld be called Afro-Latin dance.
luvureally 2 years ago
@luvureally youve obviously mis-read my statement. I never said Wilson was influenced by Flamenco. I did say his reason for wearing boots is in a differant context.
but yes clothing, costume and footwear do influence dance styles. and good luck adding afro to any genre you think was influenced by africans decendents.
ginsushark 2 years ago
Afro-Cuban has already been in use for quite sometime to describe certain Cuban music & dance styles.
luvureally 2 years ago
@luvureally only in your brain am i trying to diminish the influence of african movements on americans of african decent. im also pointing out that some styles become international and global and take on a life of their own - they become a subculture onto their own. aknowleding that some music or dance cultures grow larger than the 20 or so people that may originate a style does in no way diminish the contribution of those specific individuals regardless of their ethnic background.
ginsushark 2 years ago
I am talking about the creators, the people who were the first to play a certain music or dance in a certain style. There would not be a subculture if not for the original culture. Most of the music created by Black folks in the Americas has become international. Those "20 or so people" as you put it, were Black people who created the dance and music styles. Styles rooted in their African ancestry with influences from their new land.
luvureally 2 years ago
@luvureally It would be a HUGE exagerration to imagine that "Most of the music created by Black folks in the Americas has become international." also, I draw a destinction between various african american regional cultures and styles and those of the specific tribes of africa. and I also aknowledge the value of the specific individuals whos invent a style. they go to a lot of trouble to develope unique personal styles. they could be influenced by mimes on tv. or their next door neighbor.
ginsushark 2 years ago
"It would be a HUGE exagerration to imagine that "Most of the music created by Black folks in the Americas has become international."
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reggae, calypso, blues, jazz, gospel, soul/r&b,
funk, ragtime, ska, son, cumbia,samba, R&R, hip hop, rumba, mambo, reggaeton, merengue, rock steady, bachata. I am sure 18th & 19th century slaves learned plenty from mimes on t.v.
luvureally 2 years ago
@luvureally those are a miniscule number of styles compared to number of "black" styles that exist at this moment. let alone going back to the 19th and 18th century.
pan africanism has largly been abandoned by african nation states. puerto ricans will proudly tell you that salsa is a puerto rican, and cubans call colombian salsa cumbia. etc. these are distinct regional american styles.
ginsushark 2 years ago
That "miniscule" number, created by the descendants of Africans, has made a huge impact on music the world over. In USA alone there are millions of people of Italian, German, Irish, Polish, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Filipino, Mexican & other ethnic persuasions. None has created as many genres of music and dance styles that have had the global impact of those of West African ancestry.
luvureally 2 years ago
"pan africanism has largly been abandoned by african nation states."
Abandoned by corrupt, immoral despots who have handed over the resources of their country for a few trinkets.
Black Americans will proudly tell you that jazz, gospel, blues, soul, ragtime, hip hop, etc., are all American music and that they were all created by Black people. These genres are also "distinct regional American styles". So whats your point?
luvureally 2 years ago
aside from the fake colonial borders that plague africa theres an underlying tribal conflict. see hutus and tutsi. and also within music genres. my point being that its nice you identify with such a wide group of people. across the world. im sure if you were chinese you would be crowing about the invention of paper and how all paper based culture around the world is chinese culture or some such nonsense.
ginsushark 2 years ago
"my point being that its nice you identify with such a wide group of people. across the world."
I am speaking of music & dance created by American descendants of African captives from West Africa -present day Ghana, Senegal, Sierra Leone, Nigeria, Cameroon, Gambia, Angola, etc., I did not say anything about music of Ethiopian, Sudan, Somalia, Morocco, Kenya, Uganda, etc.,. There you go with your double talk again.
luvureally 2 years ago
at first you generalized "african" - only now youre distinguishing west african and getting specific about post colonial territories. if you were truly proud of west african heritage you might want to identify these people by their tribal identites.
If you knew more about euro dances you could point out that iberian dance is highly influenced by west african music. the triplet shuffle pattern is from moroc via mali. ballet dance is also highly influenced by african dance by way of spain.
ginsushark 2 years ago
"if you were truly proud of west african heritage you might want to identify these people by their tribal identites."
I said they are now known as. Ok how about Yoruba, Edo, Igbo, Edo, Mandinka, Wolof, Hausa, Fulani, Akan, Asante, Ashanti ? Still double talk. You are not dealing with the fact that Black folks built upon traditions from their homeland & added influences from new land to create new cultures-music, food, dance, etc., Even gave Christianity a new twist.
luvureally 2 years ago
youre already "dealing with" or asserting the african narrative - from an african american perspective. im sure many of the puerto ricans that created the first music marketed as salsa in spanish harlem in nyc in teh 70s were of mixed race backgrounds. new individualistic and regionals styles of music are still being created - many identified as salsa - others rejected as salsa and catagorized differantly according to various critical or mercatile gate keepers/promoters and according to pride.
ginsushark 2 years ago
you may want to take your fight to wikipedia since they dont support your pov (yet).
thanks for the tribal list. afro cuban and yoruba dance styles look very close. a couple of John Jairo " Piña" Rodriguez moves look very sabar. the leg sweep looks edo. breaking gets many floor moves from carib.
the knee slaps look like a gypsy/flamenco influence. the toe and heel hits are very euro - from boot based dances. could be flamenco. or celtic/gallic by way of american swing tap influence.
ginsushark 2 years ago
is spagetti italian? chinese might say there would be no noodles without china. some one from venice might claim marco polo. a tribal person from southern china that eats only rice might have a problem with "china." an italian might have a problem with american chef boyardi. spagetti in india has a unique flavor - is it still spagetti? at some point one chef invented spagetti. is that hair splitting or double talk? reality is complex. history is simple because its mythology.
ginsushark 2 years ago
Like music, food can be influenced by different cultures. Indians, Jamaicans, Chinese, Thai, etc., are known for their curry food. All good, but unique & different. Same with rice. Spaghetti or noodles used by many cultures, they call came up with something new and different. Why is there Italian food, Indian food, Thai food, etc.,? Simple in that folk will always take away influences from others and come up with new ideas. What is complex about that?
luvureally 2 years ago
i agree. many of the music genres youre proud of were labelled to marginalize music/musicians. the labels youre using are part of the same game. of dividing people to your own personal agrandizement. thats why your choice to divid people by ethnicity, region or nation state changes to support whatever arguement youre choosing t make.
ginsushark 2 years ago
the peruvians grow 30 types of potatos. the europians chose one style to grow in ireland etc. what we consider modern potatos comes from this. saying peru invented or domesticated the potato is true. but the full story is more complex. the world is a complex place. you can do youre afro affirmations and honor your heroic narrative but thats a simplified picture.
ginsushark 2 years ago
"European culture has been the standard by which other cultures have been judged" the europian powers used technology to dominate other cultures. note that the first historian on record, the greek herotodus, gave credit to egypt and sub saharan africa for thier cultural roots.
ginsushark 2 years ago
I know this, but most people do not. But back to the dance & music. There is nothing new about one culture absorbing influences from others to create a new art form. What is so hard about that. Yes the music & dance created by African descendants has influences from Europe & Indigenous people. But again, it was the Africans who added those influences to their own music & dance traditions to create something new. Others were surrounded by the same sounds, but it was Blacks who did it.
luvureally 2 years ago
"proudly tell you" i dont care what they will tell me - if its based on something as borish as pride. if some european started boasting about harmonics and (stacking notes) chording that created a revolution in music around the world - my eyes would glaze over and roll back into my head.
ginsushark 2 years ago
if some european started boasting about harmonics and (stacking notes) chording that created a revolution in music around the world - my eyes would glaze over and roll back into my head.
Well they most be permanently glazed and stuck back into your head. There is no escaping the worldwide glorification of European culture. The only "serious" music & dance is European. The job has been so thorough that millions of non-whites bleach their skin & alter their features in pursuit of "whiteness".
luvureally 2 years ago
I don't know much about European classical music & dance, but what I hear and see is beautiful, thanks to PBS. You have the luxury of pontificating from your 'we are all one", pseudo liberalism stance, since for centuries European culture has been the standard by which other cultures have been judged. Jazz, blues, rumba, samba, etc., in early years all denigrated by ruling class, now all of a sudden it is all "colorblind". Wasn't so in beginning.
luvureally 2 years ago
i think the proper person for you to argue with is some one that has no knowledge of music or dance history. then youre arguements might be worth your breath. i find youre emphasis on black pride to be overly simplistic and borish. i hope youre of african decent, otherwise you sound silly.
ginsushark 2 years ago
typical double talking eurocentric response.
luvureally 2 years ago
"I draw a destinction between various african american regional cultures and styles and those of the specific tribes of africa."
More double talk. Italian American, Irish-American, Mexican-American culture, etc., not identical to that of their ancestral homelands. I quote James Brown "You're like a dull knife that just ain't cuttin, just talking loud & saying nothing"!
luvureally 2 years ago
obviously were not going to see eye to eye. mostly a point of emphasis than anything else. & yes, its getting boring for both of us. since were having this conversation, i will ask - which specific west african dance or dances did the heel toe c-walk type movements come from?
ginsushark 2 years ago
Country music has English, Scott-Irish & blues & gospel influences. Jimmie Rodgers & Hank Williams were heavily influenced by blues. Southern whites of English & Scott-Irish descent used those influences to create country music. The music has many influences, but its creators were American southern whites. Tejano incorporates polka, mariachi, blues, country, r&b, R&R. Mexican Americans used those influences to create tejano. Folks use influences to create something new all the time, even Blacks
luvureally 2 years ago
the genre salsa and caleno salsa are classified under seperate names from afro colombian, afro cuban and congelese rhumba.
the banjo is an instrument that originated in africa . calling country a white genre is an over simplification. many early rural musicians (black and white) performed country and blues. & im sure theres a heavy native influence in tejano.
american styles are convoluted.
ginsushark 2 years ago
banjo, banjar, banjil, bango, it had many names. In the early days of country music the most difficult form of guitar picking was known as "nigger pickin". Whites played blues after hearing Blacks folks play it first. Again, like Blacks, southern Whites also combined their ancestral heritage along with new influences in the new land to create a new music. Salsa is the 1st cousin if not brother of Afro-Cuban music.
luvureally 2 years ago
@luvureally its funny that you would recognize mexican americans as mexican (rather than as euro and native americans) and you refuse to recognize colombians as colombians.
thats what i mean by arbitrary destinctions.
ginsushark 2 years ago
Get off the double talk. Many if not most Mexican Americans describe themselves as Mexican Americans, some in California use Chicano. Large percentage are mestizo, some are Native and a small amount have African ancestry. You're playing word games and going around the mulberry bush in your attempt to deny the & diminish the contributions Blacks have made to dance & music in the Americas.
luvureally 2 years ago
@luvureally Yes the roots of most Latin American musics and genres are from BLACK AFRICANS! Fact! Look at salsa! It developed from Afro Cubans! And Afro Cubans came from Africa and Jamaica, and Haiti and other parts of the West Indies and they added an influence and this is the roots of Salsa!
chsn09 1 year ago
@chsn09 I know that.
luvureally 1 year ago
@chsn09 NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO BITCHY THE ROOST IN AMERICA ARE MORE FROM SPAIN OR THE INDIGENOUS CULTURE
mexidominikingable2 1 year ago
@mexidominikingable2 The best music and dance out of Latin America & North America produced by those of African descent. Mexico even "adopted" cumbia from the Black Colombians, just as the Mexican-Americans have "adopted" Black American music (classic soul/r&b) and refer to it as Chicano oldies and swear that rap came from the Aztecs.
luvureally 1 year ago
@luvureally NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO IN YOUR DREAM BLACK COLOMBIAN ?????? I KNOW COLOMBIAN BUT BLACK BCOLOMBIAN I DONT NOW THAT AND YES THE MORE AFLYUENSE INA AMERICALATIA IS SPAICH INFLUENSE FORM SPAIN THANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNK YOU
mexidominikingable2 1 year ago
@mexidominikingable2 Look it up cumbia was created by Black Colombian slaves as a courtship dance.
luvureally 1 year ago
@luvureally COLOMBIANNNNNNNNNNNNNN BLAK IS YOU LATINO ARE LATINO PUNTO IM MEXICAN DOMINICAN
mexidominikingable2 1 year ago
@mexidominikingable2 I am BLACK American and have ancestors from West Africa just like millions of Blacks in Latin American, we come from the same African cultures. Over 200,000 Africans brought to Mexico during colonial years. At one time Africans out numbered Spaniards. You Mexican & Dominican? Dominican Republic has large Black population. Most of the Blacks in Major League Baseball are from Dominican Republic. So you might have a double dose of Black ancestry.
luvureally 1 year ago
@luvureally noooooooooooo listen here all the pople in america like my and aniother hispanic mulato are tree rasail mestizo mulato for many years many cycle thhis popluatio was mixed i many generation we ave othing too se whit black rase and america latina ave nothig to see whit africa because the majority are ative amrica n or mixed white and native and this people come from asia mongholia chia and the mulato mestizo like my and in general are not black and
mexidominikingable2 1 year ago
@luvureally domiican ave white ancestryu and native american ancestry like cuba and porto rico so we are not african for notrghing grasias
mexidominikingable2 1 year ago
@mexidominikingable2 so David "Big Papi" Ortiz, Sammy Sosa, Robinson Cano, Roberto Clemente, Teofilo Stevenson, Jon Secada, Manny Ramirez, Immortal Technique, Johnny Loboriel, Beny More, Christina Milian, Ibrahim Ferrer, Celia Cruz, Christina Milian, Felix "Tito" Trinidad, Rosario Dawson, Rosie Perez, Irene Cara, Lauren Velez, Giovani dos Santos Ramírez, Kalimba Marichal Ibar, are all white??
luvureally 1 year ago
@luvureally NONONONO AND NO WE ARE ALL MIXED AND WE ARE NOT THE SAME AT YOU IS CLEAR
mexidominikingable2 1 year ago
@mexidominikingable2 LOL, most of those people I named do not look anymore mixed than Black Americans. Celia Cruz, Big Papi, Johnny Loboriel, Felix Trinidad white??!! You are funny and desperate.
luvureally 1 year ago
@luvureally samyy sosa are englich caribeen originb felix trinidad trinidad rasial or this h
mexidominikingable2 1 year ago
@mexidominikingable2 Sammy Sosa "are englich caribeen originb" Sosa was born in Consuelo, Dominican Republic. Trinidad born in Puerto Rico.
luvureally 1 year ago
@luvureally FPOR THIS TRIONIDAD IS TREE RASIAL PERDON SPAICH MAKE BLACK IN SLAVE AAAAAAAAAAAAA BLAK WAS MAKLE IN SLAVE IN AFRICA PEOPLE MAKE BLACK IN SLAVE IN AFRICA BEFORE THE EUROPEEN ARE T ANOTHER BLACK AFRICAN AND ARABICpeople too make black in slave , THA IS THE HISTORY OF ESCLAGISMA BEFORE EUROPEEN KOMMM IN AFRICA
mexidominikingable2 1 year ago
@mexidominikingable2 There were civilizations in Africa long before the Arabs & the Europeans arrived. Nothing changes the fact that there are millions of Black Spanish speaking people in Latin America. Trinidad is a Black man, anybody with eyes can see that. What was the great Celia Cruz, what about Roberto Clemente & Mexican singer Johnny Loboriel?
luvureally 1 year ago
@luvureally I TOLD YOU WE ARE OT BLACK
mexidominikingable2 1 year ago
@mexidominikingable2 Well then what are those people I listed like Celia Cruz, Felix Trinidad, Roberto Clemente, Irene Cara, Carlos Delgado, David Ortiz? Did I say you were all Black, no I didn't. Buy many of you are. It is Blacks that produced this hard, swinging percussive music.
luvureally 1 year ago
@luvureally trinidad all are mixed all we are not black not african why you want asositae black ate latino nooooooooo i know my history is not the same at you thank
mexidominikingable2 1 year ago
@luvureally IN MEXICO AVE IMIGRATION TOO HAVE HAITIAN OR BLACK AMERICAN IN MEXICO MARIO VAN PEBLES ARE AMERICAN AND MEXICAN SU FATHER IS BLACK AMERICAN
mexidominikingable2 1 year ago
@mexidominikingable2 in Veracruz, Guerrero, Oaxaca, Costa Chica, there are Black Mexicans.
luvureally 1 year ago
@luvureally riky martin are black,,,,,???? MARC ANTHONY ARE BLACK ROSELY SANCHEZ ARE BLACK????? noooooooooooooo
mexidominikingable2 1 year ago
@mexidominikingable2 I did not say Marc Anthony, Rosalyn Sanchez & Ricky Martin were Black, obviously they are not. Puerto Ricans who are Black include Felix Trinidad, Tego Calderon, Irene Cara, Carlos Delgado, Juano Hernandez, Bernie Williams, Roberto Clemente, Maxwell, Antonio Fargas, Wilfred Benitez, Willie Bobo.
luvureally 1 year ago
@luvureally NLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO RIKY MARTIN ROSELYN SANNNNNCHEZ EVA MENDEZ MARC ANTOHNY TIA TEXADA ROSELLY SNCHEZ ARE TAINO NATIVE AMERICAN MIXED WHIT WHITR TRINIDAD IS TREE RASIAL ANTOIO FRAGAS TOO BENITEZ TOO STOP INSITE WE ARE OT THE SAME AT YOU FOR NOTHING
mexidominikingable2 1 year ago
@luvureally I TOL YOU ALL ARE TRI RASIAL EXPET CELIA CRUZ AND EVA MENDEZ ARE WHITE AND TAINO TOO
mexidominikingable2 1 year ago
@luvureally didnt know bernie was rican lol. wow how the hell did a colombian salsa video become a racial forum??
emporio8404 1 year ago
@luvureally im from vera cruz we are all mixed whit native american you your black why blackmexican,,,, mexican not black
mexidominikingable2 1 year ago
@luvureally you your black ok latino are not black is dieferent
mexidominikingable2 1 year ago
@mexidominikingable2 Face there are millions of Black "latinos". Do you know the difference between English speaking Blacks and Spanish speaking Blacks - one group was enslaved by the English the other enslaved by the Spanish.
luvureally 1 year ago
@luvureally FIRS PORTO ?RICAN MAY ARE WHITE AD NATIVE AMERICA MARC ATOHY JENY LOPEZ RENOLY SANTIAO TIA TEXADA ARE NOT BLACK PORTO RICAN ARE TREE RASIAL %MANY ARE WHITE ONLY OR TAIO ONKLY LIKE CUBAN FOMIICAN ARE TREE RASIAL SO OOOOOOOOOOOOOO AFRICAN NOT BLACK OK
mexidominikingable2 1 year ago
@mexidominikingable2 But Roberto Clemente, Felix Trinidad, Wilfredo Benitez, Ruben Sierra, Irene Cara, Orlando Cepeda, Carlos Delgado - all Puerto Ricans and are Black. What do you mean African not Black? Blacks in Cuba & Puerto Rico come from the same West African countries as Blacks in USA, Jamaica & Haiti. Blacks in USA, Jamaica, Haiti have African, European & Native ancestry also. So I guess everybody is "tree raisal".
luvureally 1 year ago
@luvureally black was in slave in africa before the europekomm in africa black african was i slave by another black african ethnie and arabic too mke black in slave before the europeen,
mexidominikingable2 1 year ago
@mexidominikingable2 What does that have to do with the fact that there are millions of Black Latinos?! They came to America as a result of European slavery. The Aztecs and the Mayans had slavery before the Europeans arrived, so what are you saying? Slavery was practiced everywhere.
luvureally 1 year ago
@luvureally LATINO ARE NOT BLACK WHY YOU SAY BLACK LATINO BLACK ISYOU BLACK AMERICAN
mexidominikingable2 1 year ago
@mexidominikingable2 So there are no Black Latinos? Celia Cruz was a white woman & Roberto Clemente was a white man?!
luvureally 1 year ago
@luvureally we ave hite origin to so we are europeen too we have native american too so if you want more about native origin we are asian too so whu you see african origin here the majority in america contienet is ative american and mestizo white and native in carie many are white native american tainio and the mestizo mulato mean tree rasial mulato whit white and native american origin so nooooooooooooooo black we re not african thank you
mexidominikingable2 1 year ago
@mexidominikingable2 There are millions of Latinos who are Native & European, but also millions who aren't, like Celia Cruz, Sammy Sosa, Felix Trinidad, Roberto Clemente, Pele, Orlando Cepeda, David Ortiz, Gina Torres, Edgar Renteria, Felix Trinidad, etc., These people are BLACK whether you like it or not.
luvureally 1 year ago
@luvureally TIA TEXADA MARC ANTONY ROSELYN SANCHEZ EVA MENDEZ RENOLY SANTIAO ARE NOT BLACKKKKKKKKKKKK WHY YOU WE ARE OT THE SAME AT YOU WE AE TRI RASIAL YOU YOU BLACK LATINO IS LATINIO WE ARE NOT PART OF BLACK COMUNUTY STOP INSITED GRASIAS
mexidominikingable2 1 year ago
@luvureally MILION MESTIZO OR NATIVE ARE I AMERICA LATINA IS THE MAJORITY WHY YO U SAY BLA I TOLD YOU WE ARE NOT BLACK WE ARE TREE RASIAL SO NON BLCK BLACK IS AFRICAN HATIAN JAMAICAN BLACK AMERICAN IF WE WANT CALL HIM AMERICAN ALL YOU ARE BLACK LATIN NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO TRINIDAD TRI RASIAL CLEMENTE TOO ORMLANDO CXEPEDO TOO
mexidominikingable2 1 year ago
@luvureally OBIOSLY AKLL THIS PERSON I TOL YOU ARE PORTO RICAN BECAUSE OBIOUSLY MANY PORTO RICAN ARE WHITE OR TAINO ONLY
mexidominikingable2 1 year ago
@mexidominikingable2 The ones I mentioned ARE NOT white or Taino. Felix Trinidad and Roberto Clemente are not white or Taino. So what are the "tree Raises"?
luvureally 1 year ago
@luvureally FELIZ TRIONIDAD TRI RASIAL CLEMENTE TOO TREE RASIAL WAT IS FOR YOU THIS TERM?????
mexidominikingable2 1 year ago
@mexidominikingable2 What is TRI RAISAL? Roberto Clemente was darker than me!
luvureally 1 year ago
@luvureally tree rasial mestizo mulato you know who sygnificate his tem
mexidominikingable2 1 year ago
@luvureally mulato whit native american origin so who you cabn see african here,,,,???
mexidominikingable2 1 year ago
@mexidominikingable2 What is a "mulato"?
luvureally 1 year ago
@luvureally WHAT IS TREE RASIAL?????
mexidominikingable2 1 year ago
@luvureally What is tri rasial and "mulato"!
luvureally 1 year ago
@luvureally MANY NATIVE AMERICAN IN AMERICA LATINA ARE MOR DARC THAN MANY BLACK AND THEY ARE NOT AFRICAN OR BLACK
mexidominikingable2 1 year ago
@luvureally EXDTLY THE SALVERY WAS PRATIKED EXVERYWHERE ISCORECT
mexidominikingable2 1 year ago
@luvureally IM A MIXTURE OF FORRRRRRRRRRRRR PORIGIN MEXICAN NATIVE AMERICAN AD DOMINICAN TREE RASIAL
mexidominikingable2 1 year ago
@luvureally Mexidominikingable2 is a racist and says that there are no Black Latinos! Mexidominikingable2 is black himself! He can't even speak English or Spanish lol! He says Black Matinos are immigrants from Jamaica or Haiti or Black Americans but he is nothing more than a self centered racist fuck!!!
chsn09 1 year ago
@chsn09 He, she or it is very entertaining and probably illiterate in both Spanish & English.
luvureally 1 year ago
@luvureally He called u a nigger afocentrist monkey bitch! In his comments he was saying you are an African monkey bitch! He was saying that Latinos are Latinos and that since you talk about blacks you are a Caribbean or black American cuz he cla them dirty niggers and racist names but mexidominikingable2 is black himself!!
chsn09 1 year ago
@chsn09 He is one sick little twisted lawn jockey! He will eat a yard of shit from people that hate him and then run to the doctor to get an okay to eat another yard. Old stank mouth!
luvureally 1 year ago
@luvureally FORTHIS MY AME HEE IS SYNNIFICATIBVE OF MY ORIGIN THIS NAME ARE MEXIDOMINI SO MEXICANDOMIICAN
mexidominikingable2 1 year ago
@mexidominikingable2 Big Papi, Roberto Clemente, Celia Cruz, Sammy Sosa, Johnny Loboriel, Beny More, Teofilo Stevenson & Felix Trinidad are/were all darker than me. LOL!
luvureally 1 year ago
@luvureally lol you are black african dont insisted and ont teach my mi historyy remeber immm latino im from america altna thanks you
mexidominikingable2 1 year ago
@mexidominikingable2 I'm not teaching your history, if Celia Cruz, Felix Trinidad, Roberto Clemente, Johnny Loboriel, Beny More, Sammy Sosa, Manny Ramirez, Big Papi & Irene Cara aren't Black, what are they? Are you saying they are white?!
luvureally 1 year ago
@luvureally FELIX TRINIDAD TREE RASIAL WHITE AND TAINO TOO ROSIE PEREZ TOO ARE NOT AFRICANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN:!!!!!!
mexidominikingable2 1 year ago
@mexidominikingable2 Sorry Felix Trinidad white & Taino?! I'm sure he has some white ancestry and maybe a little Taino, but the African ancestry is the dominant one. Rosie Perex has full nose & lips and nappy hair she has to chemically relax to get it straight.
luvureally 1 year ago
@luvureally extaly felix ttrinidad ave taino origin we are latino not afro not african not nothing you yesssssssssssss
mexidominikingable2 1 year ago
@luvureally you your pure black pure african like jamaicabn hatian o french caribeen american, blackk are african pure latino are latino
mexidominikingable2 1 year ago
@mexidominikingable2 Brown haired, gray eyed Vanessa Williams also "pure black africa" Bob Marley with the white father and black mother & Sean Paul who looks whiter than most Mexicans is "pure african like jamaicabn"? Spanish is not the only Latin language - French, Italian, Portuguese & Romanian are also Latin languages. Latino is not a race (if there is such a thing). Latinos can be of Asian, African, European, Indigenous ancestry or all of the above. Not much pure anything in Americas.
luvureally 1 year ago
@luvureally LOL! Aim Higher in YOUR analasyis! You NEED to know and make sure how YOU define mestizo? Because it can mean triracial! Many mestizoes may have strong African ancestry in them along with European and indigenous ancestry and might be called afro mestizos etc or euro zambos! And West African admixture in LOW amounts is VERY common among MANY Mexicans! The Afro/Black population of Mexico is MORE than 5 million people!!!
chsn09 1 year ago
@chsn09 I am aware of the African presence in Mexico. But I always thought mestizo meant indigenous and European. The mestizos that I have know have always claimed an indigenous and European ancestry. I guess Hugo Chavez would be an example of this triracial makeup. It makes sense.
luvureally 1 year ago
@luvureally Hugo Chavez is considered a pardo in Venezuela! More than 75% of Venezuela's population has African ancestry! Yeah, studies have shown in a multitude of mestizo pplz/communities many posessed significant and/or traceable amounts of black ancestry in the mestizoes! Also many mestizoes may be a mix of mulattoes and mestizoes! Traditionally, mestizo does refer to European and indigenous however it has included black into that mix as well!
chsn09 1 year ago
@chsn09 YOU CRAZY O WHAT NIGGER THE MAJORITY I VENEZUEKLA ARE MEXTIZO WHITE AND NATIVE AMERICAN
mexidominikingable2 1 year ago
@chsn09 THE MAJORITY OF POUPOLATION IN SIOUTH AMERIC IS WHITE NATIVE AMERICAN ANNNNNNNNNNNDDDDD MEZTIZO MOREO ARE THE MINORITY SHUT FUK UP BITCH
mexidominikingable2 1 year ago
@luvureally Higo Chavez is of mixed black, white, and indigenous descent! Many of the mestizoes that you have known may have claimed to be of a European and indigenous mix, however many of them could be just Spanish speaking indigenous ppl or they chose to deny or downplay or not know about their African heritage!
chsn09 1 year ago
@chsn09 BLACK ONLY BLACK ALL THE HOURS ALL THE TIOME ALLDAY IS HERE PREACHIG SI BULLSHIT
mexidominikingable2 1 year ago
@luvureally NO AGAS CASO A CHSN ES UNA AFROSENTRSITA
mexidominikingable2 1 year ago
Of course "Colombians are Colombians". I was speaking of the cultural contributions of those of African descent, a group that is still being discriminated against and marginalized.
luvureally 2 years ago
first you describe how blacks combined European influences with their own. then you deny the same influence with your "White folks dropped in the hood" dismissal. and you omit that once a style passed through the hood, and it influenced broader culture, the new style influenced the hood again. its a feedback loop. Im just stating that in the americas and in the world, artists are influenced by other artists. to try to dissect and seperate/segregate artistic influence is arbitrary.
ginsushark 2 years ago
I am not denying anything. It was Black people who combined their African traditions with the influences they found in the new land to create new dances. Others heard these same sounds, but it was BLACK folk who put them TOGETHER to create new dances and music. I'm just saying artist use influences to create new sounds.
luvureally 2 years ago
@luvureally you can look at the styles ethnocentrically, and it will allow you to appreciate an ethnic contribution. or you can look at the style geocentrially. "cali is the salsa capitol of teh world" or whatever. just remember that such limited perspectives distort the picture.
ginsushark 2 years ago
From my very first comment I stated that Africans combined their own dance & music traditions with those that saw and heard in their new lands. Read my comment from 6 months ago! In doing so they created new dance & music styles.
luvureally 2 years ago
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your ***FIRST*** comment from 7 months ago: "These are dances moves that Africans brought to the Americas. Latin America, USA, Caribbean, the dances are similar. " your revised statement is as bland as some one saying caleno salsa is a latin dance which was influenced by africans who were influenced by spaniards, who were influenced by gypsies who were influenced by arabs who were influenced by northern indians. etc
ginsushark 2 years ago
Of course they brought moves with them from Africa! If you have ever seen any kind of West African ( Where the majority of captives came from) dance you can see the similarity. The African moves are the foundation of the dances with Euro and Native influences added. Beyonce's "booty shakin" dance is of African origin. Show me a booty shakin dance of Euro or Native origin. Show me a Euro or Native dance with as much hip movement as African dance.
luvureally 2 years ago
Relax boricua, there's no need to copy moves. Colombians have their own style of salsa. No sea odioso..
likexn0x0ther 2 years ago
Yeah...That's True, After Seeing that Crap!! of Off beat sin Clave ya do, and going so fast it just don't look right...jajaja Colombieans call that Salsa??
BoriquaRikan1227 2 years ago
jajajaaj never in your shitty life u would see a boricua doing any and i mean aaaannnnyyy of this moves...this is original colombian style sorry!!!
bartbrs 2 years ago
Exactly!!!!!...NEVER!!! jajajaja and the Shit is, that the Music is a BORICUA Group.that a Colombian is dancing to, which is a Colombians dream to Be like a BORICUA(PUERTORICAN) got me!!
Stick to Cumbia, and even in that...If we Boricuas feel like it, We would take Cumbia and give it another Twist ...and take it to another level just like we did with LA BACHATA!! Thanks to two Boricuas called TEG/DonOMAR..i'm sure you wouldn't know what the fuck i'm talking about...Stick with your CUMBIA!
BoriquaRikan1227 2 years ago
yeah?? do u even know who sings this?? why don't u give a try and tell me?? yeah i respect cuba and puerto rico for having bringing bomba, plena and guaguanco to NY, the same way a respect other countries for bring other native rythms to create salsa, because salsa was NOT created in puerto rico or cuba, it's a mix of alot of rythms including the colombian cumbia that you talk about...by the way, u just contradicted yourself when u said that these were boricuan moves. Try again!!
bartbrs 2 years ago
Dude...look's like he has no kind of balance...jajaja He look's like he's trying to Kill Fly's and Roches..His Heel Toe, Heel Toe is Supa WHACK!!...Papa, Colombia has no say so, in what so ever in SALSA!...ya like it, ya Hear it..and ya Buy it, What are the Salsa bands that Constantly Feed Salsa To ya?? THE BORICUAS!!PUNTO!ME BASTA Y ME SOBRA! tate' Tranquilo Man!You wish that Colombia had something to do with Salsa...Dream On!It's a CARIBEAN THING CONZUL,NOT SOUTH AMERICAN!me Basta y me Sobra!!
BoriquaRikan1227 2 years ago
well, u still don't know who sings this, makes me think u don't know shit about SALSA!!...conzultico, let me remind you...is a latin thing! not a "caribbean" thing...yeah puerto rico mastered it but u have much to thank other countries for their influences....and to prove you that colombia has ALOT to do with salsa LET ME REMIND YOU WHO HAS WON THE LAST WORLD SALSA CHAMPIONSHIPS EVEN THE ONE IN PR. THE COLOMBIANS!!!! TRY AGAIN!!
ATT:BART
bartbrs 2 years ago
Please, That Tema is from LA SONAR PONCEña which whoever is this PacoTiya Group trying to copy it...jaja Fijate lo que te voy a decir, It's about time that Colombia has won a Championship! and i'm pretty sure, the ones that ya went up against were WHACK DANCERS jaja..beleive me!! Shit!...Just Papito Jala'Jala's Group just one out of the Group would Smoke tha' Shit out of all the Colombian Wanna be Salsa Dancers jaja DUDE...Tate' Tran-Culo Y sin Pero-Cu-Peo' ser boricua es lo que esta de Moda!
BoriquaRikan1227 2 years ago
juaa!! La poncena pana?? are u serious?? TRY AGAIN!! that's why los artistas boricuas le deben tanto a los colombianos por que si no hubiese sido por nosotros ese ritmo estuviese muerto. Los calenos mantenemos la salsa viva y pegando. and let me tell you that colombian won the championship in puerto rico on 2004 and won the ESPN championships against the worlds best salsa dancers, boricuas and everyone else, from 05 till 07...by the way its camilo azuquita with cortijo y su combo. keep trying
bartbrs 2 years ago
yo suck. negro rappero
gmomartinez 2 years ago
idiot im half colombian and boricua and you are so way off the colombians are the champions on the salsa dancing business
MORTECINA2807 2 years ago
yo suck. negro reggetonero. back off
gmomartinez 2 years ago
woooow!!!!
ZoNLove07 2 years ago
Incredible.
mistadreadman 2 years ago
definitivamente el mejor estilo de salsa es el de cali asi les duela a los boriquas...y este man baila una chimba si no que con una pareja se veria mejor
colombiantom 2 years ago
Muy cierto, pero claro los boricuas se han concentrado tanto en copiar todos los generos musicales que nunca han movido los pies, sino el cuello que estiran. De baile nada!
calisii 2 years ago
looks like tap dancing
odetothecat 2 years ago
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lol good point
agud09 2 years ago
eso si es un caleñoo
parcero usted baila una chimbaaa
jorjiory 2 years ago
dude is wearing boots. amazing
ginsushark 3 years ago
Wooooooooooooooooow Awesome!
xXxTeenQueenxXx 3 years ago
YEAH thts my teacher right there, Piña taught me this routine but i cant ever do it as fast as him...ill get there soon....
Killer5555 3 years ago
lets chat
wanting new friends 9r
2007legoman2007 3 years ago
john Rodriguez....El mejor bailarín de salsa en el mundo..tiene el sabor que muy pocos tienen y mirale que elegancia de movimientos...así es:champion de champions !!!...Dios te bendiga hombre.
pipesalsa 3 years ago
ooo dammmnnn its like he is floating ,
amazing!
wfierroh 3 years ago
Asi es que se baila¡¡¡¡
gaitangalangarzon 3 years ago