Yeah what a heartwarming story. You are guys are cheering the nullification of private property. This factory owner was the beginning. Its called Communism.
@edro2383 : no, it's not the nullification of private property, it's the nullification of private ownership of means of production that weren't supposedly profitable, by people we were robbed of their salaries. Yes, it’s a form of communism, but not of State communism. I cheer it!
Actually, there's no such thing as State Communism, ideologically Communism is a stateless ideology. We commies believe that the state must exist for a while after the revolution, that stage is Socialism, but as time goes more and more power will go over to the hands of the people and finally the state will dissolve. Then the Communist stage will begin:)
There's a reason this sort of thing doesn't matter in well-functioning countries. Also, the industries shown in this are STILL under pressure from non-Argentine companies who are able to outcompete them, and Argentina STILL cannot effectively compete.
I like how he says all the work was mine -_- sadly this is how most corporate owners see things their workers are just slaves they didnt contribute anything to the company cause well they are just peasants why thank a peasant?
There can also be warranted collective violence for example the Poll Tax riots in London, but the violence by workers was largely counter-violence and it was part of other efforts and non violent action.
What I would like to know is what makes these people different from others - that is, people here in America would just riot and resort to violence and stealing from each other, and we see this all over the world; when things fall apart, people become destructive, not constructive. Why are Argentinians (and any others I don't know about, if any) different?
1. if those specific argentinians would have been more aggresive, they would have been probably the previous owners or the bankers themselves
2. those are the ppl from working class. they starved, but materially lost nothing except generating debts here or there, again havin little respect to debt as such after what happened. in similar situation, US ppl would have hade much more to loose and too many weapons per capita to stay calm
3. they are not software factory... all are equal and simple
The situation was a lot more severe in Argentina than in American history. For good or bad, we also have a flawed and ingrained Capitalistic mindset which teaches us that perseverance will result in prosperity and that if you dig yourself into a hole it is your fault and you must work harder, because we all can be like John Rockefeller. etc.
Agreed. Such an attitude was nicely represented by the character of Boxer in George Orwell's, "Animal Farm". But, Boxer, like the other animals, were in the predicament they were in because they weren't smart enough, on average, to avoid it. They may reject neo-liberalism for now, but in time they'll be exploited again because there are just not enough around who are smart enough to know better. That's just the story of humanity. That's the nature of the bell curve. And the pigs know it.
Just one thing: "The Bell Curve" is still heavily disputed and at least some of it's claims are not up-to-date any more. Intelligence is a more dynamic thing than the research in the 80s and early 90s suggested. The discussion isn't (and probably never will be) finished, but I can't let the "mankind is too stupid to avoid being exploited by itself" pass so easily. There are some studies today that suggest we really can become smarter and adapt to a new mindset outside of that.
I wasn't referring to the book. I meant that intelligence falls on a normal curve. Few people are mentally retarded. Few people are geniuses. Most of us are somewhere in between. If there is a study that suggests this can be changed, you really have to point it out. Something like that would be a turning point for all of humanity for all of time.
I am not sure that it takes higher intelligence for everyone to create a more egalitarian society. I think we would have to educate and try to change social structures.
I don't think that these workers are all the most intelligent people, but just regular people who wanted change. I don't see why it takes a genius to organize social movements.
I don't think the people are that different. Largely it's a false perception created by bourgeois media. An example for USA would be the 'rioting blacks' during Katrina. When in fact there were numerous collective activities going on which were spontaneous. More recently in Britain when bosses have been making workers redundant they have been occupying work places and not rioting or just going home without a job.
You made an assertion that people are not that different and then followed it with statements describing the ways people are different. Some riot. Some don't. Some people respond to crisis by helping each other. Some people respond to crisis by throwing their fists around in the air and biting and scratching each other and hooting and howling (and blaming their problems on that group of people over there who aren't behaving like chimpanzees).
No you cretin! The media was saying people are 'rioting' (implying everyone, and that's all they were doing), the media portrayed LARGE numbers of black people 'rioting'. Typical of bourgeois media, trying to divide workers and the class as a whole at every opportunity. The MAJORITY of people were not 'rioting' and in fact working collectively which is something you don't seem to think people from outside Argentina are capable of.
Yeah what a heartwarming story. You are guys are cheering the nullification of private property. This factory owner was the beginning. Its called Communism.
edro2383 1 year ago
@edro2383 : no, it's not the nullification of private property, it's the nullification of private ownership of means of production that weren't supposedly profitable, by people we were robbed of their salaries. Yes, it’s a form of communism, but not of State communism. I cheer it!
signeponge 10 months ago 4
@signeponge
Actually, there's no such thing as State Communism, ideologically Communism is a stateless ideology. We commies believe that the state must exist for a while after the revolution, that stage is Socialism, but as time goes more and more power will go over to the hands of the people and finally the state will dissolve. Then the Communist stage will begin:)
maxcommunist 6 months ago
@maxcommunist : No objections. My use of "State communism" was a rough simplification for "Marxist-Leninist".
signeponge 6 months ago
@signeponge
Ah, I see:)
maxcommunist 6 months ago
What are you producing in your factory can you sell it on the internet??????????Have you solved anything?????
daisypop100 1 year ago
What are you producing in your factory can you sell it on the internet??????????
daisypop100 1 year ago
There's a reason this sort of thing doesn't matter in well-functioning countries. Also, the industries shown in this are STILL under pressure from non-Argentine companies who are able to outcompete them, and Argentina STILL cannot effectively compete.
Nonamearisto 1 year ago
I like how he says all the work was mine -_- sadly this is how most corporate owners see things their workers are just slaves they didnt contribute anything to the company cause well they are just peasants why thank a peasant?
Ventorez 1 year ago 4
DETROIT SHOULD LEARN FROM THIS FILM USA CITIZENS THE MOST IGNORANT AND THE MOST DOCILE PASSIVE BUNCH OF WASTE OF PEOPLE
solimiansky 1 year ago 18
@solimiansky People shouldn't be afraid of their goverments, it is goverments who should be afraid of the people.
Marielalaura 1 year ago 4
Well done people!!! Power to the people, take it back, you're rich, don't let''em exploit you don't let them rob you. Kick their greedy asses!
raisinsunn 1 year ago
This is a real, modern example of anarchism
TheAvidAnarchist 1 year ago 27
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halcykon 1 year ago
the missing part of the lyrics by "las manos de filipi" played here by "bersuit bergarabat:" :
and there´s no doubt
this trash is rotting,
if this isnt a dictaroship?
what is it? what is it?
mdverme 2 years ago
@mdverme
What is the song called?
magnusmagnusmagnusyo 1 year ago
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mdverme 1 year ago
@magnusmagnusmagnusyo
"se viene el estallido" "the riot is coming"
mdverme 1 year ago
@mdverme te song is by bersuit bergarabat: and not las manos de filippi
mdverme 1 year ago
power to the people!!!
needcoffee 2 years ago
This is how former Yugoslavia 1945-1991 had it, factories were owned by the workers.
borceroy 2 years ago
There can also be warranted collective violence for example the Poll Tax riots in London, but the violence by workers was largely counter-violence and it was part of other efforts and non violent action.
9407113678 2 years ago
What I would like to know is what makes these people different from others - that is, people here in America would just riot and resort to violence and stealing from each other, and we see this all over the world; when things fall apart, people become destructive, not constructive. Why are Argentinians (and any others I don't know about, if any) different?
99rhetbaboons 3 years ago
1. if those specific argentinians would have been more aggresive, they would have been probably the previous owners or the bankers themselves
2. those are the ppl from working class. they starved, but materially lost nothing except generating debts here or there, again havin little respect to debt as such after what happened. in similar situation, US ppl would have hade much more to loose and too many weapons per capita to stay calm
3. they are not software factory... all are equal and simple
krbosak 3 years ago
The situation was a lot more severe in Argentina than in American history. For good or bad, we also have a flawed and ingrained Capitalistic mindset which teaches us that perseverance will result in prosperity and that if you dig yourself into a hole it is your fault and you must work harder, because we all can be like John Rockefeller. etc.
ddrumsman549 2 years ago
Agreed. Such an attitude was nicely represented by the character of Boxer in George Orwell's, "Animal Farm". But, Boxer, like the other animals, were in the predicament they were in because they weren't smart enough, on average, to avoid it. They may reject neo-liberalism for now, but in time they'll be exploited again because there are just not enough around who are smart enough to know better. That's just the story of humanity. That's the nature of the bell curve. And the pigs know it.
99rhetbaboons 2 years ago
Just one thing: "The Bell Curve" is still heavily disputed and at least some of it's claims are not up-to-date any more. Intelligence is a more dynamic thing than the research in the 80s and early 90s suggested. The discussion isn't (and probably never will be) finished, but I can't let the "mankind is too stupid to avoid being exploited by itself" pass so easily. There are some studies today that suggest we really can become smarter and adapt to a new mindset outside of that.
Odroerir2 2 years ago
I wasn't referring to the book. I meant that intelligence falls on a normal curve. Few people are mentally retarded. Few people are geniuses. Most of us are somewhere in between. If there is a study that suggests this can be changed, you really have to point it out. Something like that would be a turning point for all of humanity for all of time.
99rhetbaboons 2 years ago
I am not sure that it takes higher intelligence for everyone to create a more egalitarian society. I think we would have to educate and try to change social structures.
ddrumsman549 2 years ago
I don't think that these workers are all the most intelligent people, but just regular people who wanted change. I don't see why it takes a genius to organize social movements.
ddrumsman549 2 years ago
The leaders of the movement are smarter. As you get older, you'll notice that when many people do the right thing, they're merely pulling a Homer.
99rhetbaboons 2 years ago
That's the way it always happens, so there's something there you're not seeing.
99rhetbaboons 2 years ago
I don't think the people are that different. Largely it's a false perception created by bourgeois media. An example for USA would be the 'rioting blacks' during Katrina. When in fact there were numerous collective activities going on which were spontaneous. More recently in Britain when bosses have been making workers redundant they have been occupying work places and not rioting or just going home without a job.
9407113678 2 years ago
You made an assertion that people are not that different and then followed it with statements describing the ways people are different. Some riot. Some don't. Some people respond to crisis by helping each other. Some people respond to crisis by throwing their fists around in the air and biting and scratching each other and hooting and howling (and blaming their problems on that group of people over there who aren't behaving like chimpanzees).
People are different.
99rhetbaboons 2 years ago
No you cretin! The media was saying people are 'rioting' (implying everyone, and that's all they were doing), the media portrayed LARGE numbers of black people 'rioting'. Typical of bourgeois media, trying to divide workers and the class as a whole at every opportunity. The MAJORITY of people were not 'rioting' and in fact working collectively which is something you don't seem to think people from outside Argentina are capable of.
9407113678 2 years ago
Why would I talk to somebody who acts like you? Hanl.
99rhetbaboons 2 years ago