What a horrendous creature he is. I have absolutely no comprehension of this idea that a few microscopic cells should receive more human rights than a grown woman. Despicable.
you know what, simply out of spite, I'm going to vote for Rick, based on the amount of hilarious butthurt and pre-teen rage im seeing in the comments.
Santorum should, himself, make the best out of a bad situation. In other words, he's going to be the death of the Republican party on the national scale.
This guy is one sick fucker! To say "everything is sacred" and then to call it "horribly created"! You know he would get his daughter an abortion and pay to cover it up too!
A gift from God Rick? Your God must be one evil SOB. Every time the woman looks into the eyes of that child she will see the eyes of her rapist..the gift that just keeps on giving!
Even extremists like Santorum can't remain consistent with their view on abortion. If life begins at conception and you honestly believe that they are people, then you should advocate a murder investigation for every miscarriage, conspiracy to commit homicide for seeking the morning after pill, and murder in the first for abortions. They all live in cognitive dissonance.
What a fucking idiot. So, if a woman is raped and gets pregnant against her will, it is a gift from God? Holy shit. Talk about a loss of civil liberties.
And that would also make for a child born out of wedlock, which he preaches against.
I am not a Democrat by any means. But this proves just how looney he is and why I do not care for the Religious Right.
Why would any sane person want their daughter to have a baby by some creep who raped her?
Right when he said "...what God has given you" is the dumbest fucking thing a president can say. I'm a Christian, but not everyone believes in God, and he's basically forcing the belief on people with that mindset, which is tyranny.
@Tampaandrewful read the first few lines of the declaration of independence. it's not tyranny to believe in a God who believes in other people besides yourself too.
@willberthepig I see nothing in the DOI that has anything to do with what your talking about. Who is he to deny someone the right to happiness by forcing them to have a kid that isn't even theirs, a child born of adultery and rape. Who is he to force a person to relive such trauma every time they look at said child. Rick Santorum is a piece of shit, you should not force your interpretation of the heavenly father's will on someone.
@Tampaandrewful oh the part where it talks about God-given rights and nature's Creator in the first two lines. ; ) Santorum's not saying that that is easy to have your child when you were raped in conceiving them. the whole debate rest on when life in the womb begins. Santorum supports that it begins at conception. that's not him forcing his interpretation of the heavenly father's will on someone.
@willberthepig It doesn't matter what Santorum thinks is right based on his religion. There is a separation of church and state in this country, and if the president's arguments are all backed by what he thinks the holy father wants, then he shouldn't even be eligible for the presidency.
@Tampaandrewful he's not using his religion to defend his stances actually. it is some of the people that oppose him that pass him off as using his religion to make his stances. we also have a freedom to religion in this country. religions teach morals. people, like santorum, obama or pretty much anyone who runs for office practices or has practiced a religion that taught them morals. it's unlikely there's anyone outside of this box. should catholics be allowed to run for office?
@willberthepig When he says that life is a gift from God and we should except that gift, that is imposing religion. If an atheist woman was raped and told she couldn't abort the child because the president says, "Except this gift from God!" is nothing short of imposing religion. Who is he to say that the woman COULD POSSIBLY feel bad for killing a fetus, how can he make such a huge leap and assume that someone would feel bad for a killing a child that was forced upon them?
@Tampaandrewful she wouldn't be told that tho and that is not the only reason for making abortion unlawful again. it is funny that rick offers up a lot of information onto how he came about his stance on abortion and he mentions God once and then his stance is claimed to be a religious imposition. He states that life begins at conception and that murder or taking a life is against the law.
@Tampaandrewful I'm with you the Govt should stay out of it. BBBUT the law has to make a stance somewhere. IE you can't say It's a life and then allow it no constitutional protection. And on the other end, you can't say it's not a life yet and then charge tripple murder if someone kills a woman pregnant with twins. The law has to pick a stance, I don't really care which one, but it has to pick. Food for thought.
@61attheright Interesting perspective, but we should also consider how practical abortion is. There are 7 billion people on the planet now, and by 2044, possibly 9 billion. We don't need more people on the planet, and if a woman chooses to get an abortion it should be her own choice. Just like if someone wants to have gay-sex, it's their choice and they should be free to choose.
@Tampaandrewful -- not at all. He is simply stating his values and position. What he would advise his daughters. That's what he was asked. Nowhere did he say he would impose his religious view on anyone.
@raf952 Errrr you think that isn't EXACTLY what he'd do if he was elected?? He'd impose his religious views on EVERYBODY. He's explicitly stated that he doesn't believe in the separation of church and state - one of America's founding principles.
Reminds me of the bumper sticker, "If you're against abortion don't get one." But people like Santorum want everyone to be just like them and aren't happy unless everyone else changes. That is what scares me.
I am so surprised this guy won 3 states on Tuesday. This guy is so far right that he is going to scare away all the moderate and independent voters he will need to beat Obama. The Republicans better consider someone else because this guy will lose horribly against Obama if he is the GOP candidate.
What if the baby is from incest rape? Not only could this cause complications for the baby, but how could you justify that?
What if the woman has a condition that pregnancy will exacerbate so much that she will die if she tries to carry to term? Do we just let her die?
What if the woman lives in a third-world country where she can afford to get an abortion, but if she tries to feed another mouth that means the rest of her family could starve? Or the baby just dies from malnourishment anyway?
@cbcbarzarz Solution to death and suffering is killing? I guess this is the world today. "What ever happened to predictibility? The milkman, the paperboy, evening TV."
I understand why people would not think it was a life before 6 weeks. But at 6 weeks THE BABY HAS A HEARTBEAT. I don't think anyone can HONESTLY say that something with a heartbeat is not alive. America is in a sorry state when the majority believes that killing a person is a good idea to save that person from a difficult life.
@snowday333 First sentence: SPOT ON!!! Second sentence: A little much... I would not wish that on them, you can't blame them for having an evil, un-compassionate, stupid father, i hope they don't get raped/pregnant because then they'll have to suffer and he won't care at all.
I think we need to get away from the stance that attacks him for his view of any pregnancy as a gift from God. That is not really a surprising view from any Christian. What needs to be attacked - vociferously - is his idea that because he holds that view, that he can then decide what is BEST and RIGHT for an individual woman. More so - that he thinks we should LEGISLATE what he thinks is right into law.
Seriously! He can say that with a straight face. Oh my gosh. I hope that his daughters are never in that situation, he's cool with his daughters having a child that was produced from rape.
There are a lot of interesting arguments on both sides. However, I personally lean toward abortions being illegal after the 8th week. It's kind of extremist to believe that life begins at conception - IIRC, this is the point at which the sperm fertilizes the egg - which is basically a few moments after the man says "Gee honey, I was going to pull out, but the phone rang and it startled me. :D
But seriously though, rape is no laughing matter. It's traumatic for the victim, and to force a
My great grandma was a rape baby. She had a horrible life. She was tossed around between families, horrifically abused, and eventually found solace in a crazy, extreme religion that controlled her life. She was used as a slave in foster homes. I wouldn't wish that on anyone, anywhere. In a situation like this, abortion is a merciful act towards the unborn child. I would rather not exist than have her live the life she did.
@emilyxdaniels i just wanted to point out that you're saying that it was better off your great grandma didn't live. wouldn't that mean you wouldn't be alive? i don't wish the horrible things that happened to her either and i don't know you but just cause we're both people i'm glad you're around.
@willberthepig It doesn't really matter if he existed it or not. I wouldn't like anyone to live that kind of life. I'd rather be aborted then that happening.
@thelastblah i don't like that people have to go through hard stuff too (not that i haven't put people through hard stuff even through my own fault before). i'm more than glad they're around though and i hope they don't think themselves worth less or something because of how they came about. it's something i probably can't understand that well because it's such a hard situation, i'm definitely glad they're here though and i'm sure they have a lot to say too and much to offer.
Load of crap, this is. This is a man, trying to imagine what it would be like to have a traumatic experience with life changing effects...and saying a woman should keep what will be a daily reminder of that experience? I'd be more messed up in the head doing that, than if I 'killed' my child.
i sometimes wonder if the sperm that comes out of me feels pain when i throw the tissue in the fireplace. If i take one my girl's unfertilized eggs, put it in a culture tray and lob some sperm on it, and then throw it in the fire, is it now baby murder? Imagine this guy as vice prez to that crazy rich Mormon guy? Hahaha....And people wonder why most of the world hates the USA.....those are the front runners our society picked as leaders?
@Knucklesound To be correct, the people you are referring to are republicans. Granted, democrats aren't perfect and I completely resent Obama for going to war with Libya. Also, democrats often do stupid politician shit like selling out and lying to the public. But I have yet to see a democrat who openly opposes contraception and raped-victim abortions. These fucking republicans really give our country a bad name. I would hate the US too if I was in another country.
@adamlambertisanangel you could consider from the opposite view of what effect does legalizing abortion and making it more available have on views of sexuality. if people don't have to consider that they are gonna make someone else pregnant cause they can just get an abortion than aren't they gonna be more likely to rape someone else? takes out a whole moral blocker to the situation. that is a very hard situation tho.
@willberthepig I'm pretty sure rapists don't really care if the woman gets pregnant or not. And abortions can be expensive and painful, and even though they are pretty safe, there can always be complications. I would rather buy condoms than get an abortion any day, as I'm sure any woman would. When abortions are illegal the number does NOT lower, women will still get scared and panic, except now they're more likely to die because of unsafe, botched abortions, and there's proof.
@PurpleMeatloaf my point is that legalizing abortions and making them more available promotes sexual promiscuity. contraception promotes it too. the problem is obviously not that we are sexual but is how we use are sexuality. if the problems we face today (on this subject) are caused by our own problems with our sexuality then how will promoting people to have sex more ultimately solve the problem? maybe we should focus on being more supportive and caring rather than this.
@willberthepig No, it doesn't. But not having access to birth control does lead to a higher amount of abortions, and not having access to legal abortions leads to higher amount of deaths. And even if there was more promiscuity, so what? Why is having sex a problem? When people have access to the information, and know the risks safe sex ensues. Not teaching about sex does not stop people from having it, ignoring a problem will not make it go away.
@PurpleMeatloaf the point is that that's the root of the problem. (i'm talking about men and women here just to let you know) i'm not saying don't teach about it, really what i'm saying suggests the opposite. teach kids about all the issues we have today and where they come from and they'll see the root of the problem too. in the big picture having access to birth control, contraceptives and abortion promotes sexual promiscuity.
@willberthepig That's just it, it does NOT promote sexual promiscuity. NOT knowing about it does, because kids think it's all fun and games, not realizing the risks involved. And even if we taught only risks, and not how to prevent them, kids will think "it'll never happen to me" Because that's human nature, we think we're impervious. Have you ever not worn your seatbelt? We know the risks, but do it anyway. People WILL have sex, even if contraceptives/abortion are not available.
@PurpleMeatloaf not knowing about sex or what it's about leaves someone open to sexual promiscuity moreso than not knowing about contraception or abortion. if you know about those things how would it make you less sexually promiscuous? maybe people should be taught (or moreso people should teach) about what sex is really about (not just what happens during it or what it does) and what marriage is really about.
Hey Santorum, how about you let that poor raped woman choose how she lives her life? Even if she chooses to have an abortion, and even if she later believes that choice was something that ruined her life, IT WAS HER CHOICE. And until that fetus can survive on its own, IT'S HER BODY.
@ztnagobw No, until about the third trimester I was completely parasitic to my mother's own body. Had I been removed from her body, for whatever reason, I would not have been able to survive. If my mother had not wanted me, it would have been her right to shed a parasite, it would have been her right to decide what she wold do with her own body.
I never thought I'd say this, but I tend to agree with Santorum on this issue. The negative circumstance in which a child is brought into the world doesn't give anybody the right to end that child's life. Once that child is conceived, it is a sovereign entity, and has rights of it's own, and ending it's life is akin to murder. It may not seem like it, because the child is inside the mother's stomach,not laying in front of you, and seemingly non-existant, but it is a child nonetheless.
Bigot. I hate when religion and politics are in bed with each other. Separation of Church and State, it's not hard! Also, yes I am in the pro camp, even though I am adopted. Why? Well one, it's none of the Gov's damn business, two, attitude like his and most of the anti's. Is there better options? Yes. However, let women do what they want, especially in this case!
Whoever thought that religion should go along with politics and public affairs should have been shot. The religious right and the Bible belt is keeping old horrendous "values" alive.
she shouldnt have the kid because after birth the vagina gets stretched out and she would be pretty much no good for sex after that. maybe with horses
The same anti abortion crowd will napalm millions of children and if you point out to the anti abortion people that there were no WMD's the anti abortion people will shrug their shoulders and brush it all off as if they did nothing more than eat a hamburger.
@ShabbasDragoon Clump of cells is a human being, at its earliest stage. In fact, we're all just a larger clump of cells. What gets me is I cannot figure out where that line is drawn, where a clump of cells changes into "person." At what precise moment does this clump of cells become a person, and why is it that particular moment?
If you are raped and you have a child, it is up to you if you want or do not want the child. If it was my child that in general, pregnant, i would tell them get an abortion.
@TheJasonDR the point is not about satan and abortion the point is that the words coming out of this mans mouth do not equate with something that a god of love would want his followers to say. True christians are taught to love thy neighbor and not to judge. Satan works in such a way that by this man saying this it possibly turns people away from god and there is no need for insults i am not a very dumb individual just for expressing an opinion.
@adamlambertisanangel ...you should watch this video again to understand what he is saying....he is literally saying that he would talk his daughter out of having an Abortion
@TheJasonDR Also why would satan like abortions after all innocents ie children go to heaven it is easier for satan to try to claim souls from adults though we are all born with sin children do not know any better. You do not have to share my view after all it is just a theory i had though i do believe in god and follow jesus as my lord and savior. By the way that is not to say that god wants abortions just because he wants souls in heaven he wants people to come to him of their own free will
@ShabbasDragoon You want to depopulate, start with yourself, not someone else. The fetus is a human being aka a person, it is not a citizen, and i am arguing that he/she does deserve rights. The government can criminalize a practice that kills persons.
@johnhzeeb1 Not a person. It has the potential to be a person but it isnt. It isnt killing its just preventing a life from occuring. People should take religion out of these things and look at it from an ethical point of view. There are to many situations to say whether abortion is right or wrong, but in the case of pregnancy of a young teen through rape then i would advise abortion. A child would wreck to many lives. It would also remind the girl of her rape and torture her because of that.
@artilleryboy1 Yea, it is a person. It has the potential to be a doctor, lawyer, etc., but it is a person already. Abortion does not prevent a life from occurring, it ends a life that is existing already. That "clump of cells" is an organism that is going through normal life processes.
@ShabbasDragoon Are you honestly telling me that we got to the abolition of slavery and the ending of apartheid through GUT FEELING instead of rationalised and debate?
@ShabbasDragoon On the contrary - that is EXACTLY what I am saying. And I think you'd find that most of the literature on developmental psychology would agree with me.
I think, and again I will direct your attention to this video alone, that it's very naive to say that 'everyone feels a common reaction to morality'.
And even if it IS a 'gut feeling' - it should be able to be rationalised, shouldn't it? Fear, anger and disgust are all gut feelings, but we can certainly discuss them.
@ShabbasDragoon You really couldn't be more wrong about morality being 'in your from the start'! Think about the behaviour of babies! They learn not to take toys off of other children when we have explained to them why it's wrong, otherwise they just wouldn't do it!
I urge you to look up and really study 'moral error theory' on Wikipedia. It may give you a viewpoint which shows how difficult a topic morality really is.
@ShabbasDragoon Well, at the risk of being awkward, I'm bisexual, and I do get kinda sick of people telling me that my 'arguments' (i.e. facts about whether or not my feelings are choice or not) are akin to those of the Devil... Not that you are.
It's a bizarre feeling, watching some of the US pres. candidates whom are 'lucky', if you will, enough to be straight, talking about gays. It's confusing to think that someone could hate and misunderstand me so much without even knowing I exist.
@ShabbasDragoon Maybe that is the moral ideal (though we cannot help how we feel about individuals we are attracted to, hence the homosexuality anger that Mr. Santorum strikes up) But we're animals. Few animals are monogamous.
I completely agree with you that it's best to teach condom use, moderation etc - but we do that already, and I can' t think of any organisation that is rallying for the promotion of the morning-after-pill ALONGSIDE *decreasing* sex education. Often it's the opposite.
@ShabbasDragoon Pal, I have to say this - if you believe that withdrawing the morning after-pill will reduce the amount of promiscuity, then you really don't understand the teenage-psyche. Your statement is, sadly, simply wrong.
I mean, damn, people say 'the death penalty is a deterrent' - but look at Texas. Here in England we have no such thing, and a farrrrrrr lower murder rate.
@ShabbasDragoon Why are you 'sure' if you don't think we could ever quantify it?
Isn't that prejudice?
Also, I'm really playing devils advocate as I'm more happy about the fact you're pro-choice simply through practicality (abortions are gonna happen anyway, right? best through a hospital than in an alley with a coat-hanger...)
Random question: Do you consider the morning-after-pill to be a form of abortion?
'Morality is simple, but I'm having a very hard time defining it so I'm beating about the bus hand throwing ad homonim insults in order to detract from the fact'.
@ShabbasDragoon Well, like I said, it's irrelevant whether you believe me or not - but what would you like me to do to prove it? I had an exam on electrochemistry today - would you like me to describe PEM or Lithium Ion fuel cells? The sticking probability of molecules at an electrode surface? The Leivich or Cottrel equation? The behavioural differences between chemisorbed and physisorbed molecules on a Platinum catalyst? By all means, make today worthwhile for me.
@ShabbasDragoon Having said that though, I only remarked about my science background because of your point about the heart (which was irrelevant completely) - I completely accept that morality is not a scientific issue.
@ShabbasDragoon Right, so your definition of morality is 'harming yourself or others' then? (finally something I can work with!). Why is that? I can understand not harming others - I totally agree, you have no right to - but doesn't your body belong to YOU? Damaging someone else's property is immoral, but if I buy an object, then destroy it, does that make me immoral? I would argue no. It's mine to do with what I please, and if that hurts nobody - who is to complain? God? I don't believe in God.
@ShabbasDragoon And if someone's body suffers - how does that equate to having poor morals!? Our bodies suffer when we accidentally cut ourselves. And? am I a bad person for tripping over? You're talking crap.
@ShabbasDragoon I am a scientist... I've spent the last 4 years studying science and I work in a laboratory.
Moving on...
I didn't see you backing up your 'complicated heart muscle' claim. Even children know your heart doesn't think.
And ONCE AGAIN you are telling me that 'something is wrong by definition', but failing to define morality.
So, finally, I will ask you what your definition of morality is - it should NOT BE HARD for you, from what you have said. Just do me this one bloody favour?
@ShabbasDragoon Please, I am a scientist - what is your job?
Secondly, I think you're right - I won't convince anyone with such a lack of basic understanding of biology/life in general of anything. You called RUNNING immoral. Lets focus on that, now, shall we? HOW on Earth could *running* too much ever be immoral?
I remember one news story where this poor ten year old girl was raped by her stepfather and was pregnant with twins. Even though her mom was Catholic, she allowed an abortion because she was terrified what going full-term would do to her child. Unfortunately the mom was threatened with excommunication but not the rapist.
He's not any better than the church that threatened the mom.
@ShabbasDragoon I have never seen His face. I've spoken to him. I think i may have heard his response. Cant prove it. Not trying to. This issue is a concern of anyone who chooses to concern themself with it. This is civil rights baby, right up my alley. nuff copouts, don't tell me not to advocate for the defenseless, my choice. Lets talk about personhood or something, not religious bla bla, i see you dont care for it
@ShabbasDragoon I will imagine all of the unfit and fit mothers through the same lense: the one that focuses on the child. The child has a number of possible outcomes. 1. abortion by being vacuumed apart or poisoned or hangered or whatever. Murder. 2. They can be born and face the same obstacles as any of us. Freedom.
I don't understand how you can say life begins at conception protect it even in cases of rape,but then kill innocent civilians in war. These are women,children and men who may even object to their country polices and are to poor to move. If you say protect life no matter what then mean it across the board hypocrite. maybe someone should impregnate him I know he has a pussy.
@ShabbasDragoon Never once have i contended that choice cannot be limited. I believe in freedom so long as it does not unduly encroach upon another's ability to exercise their own freedom. Removing impulses is not the goal of legislation, there are 5 goals to punishment, wiki them.
Insane to think that a girl impregnated by rape is a gift from God!!! Really....God condones the violation? God condones the violence? That is how God gave a gift? Really? Insane!!!! If that is how you believe....then keep your God away from every woman in the world. I am sure a husband, a Father and cousin, a brother, a friend would never ever thank God for that kind of gift!!
@Odinsjoke rape is not a gift from God, he was merely saying that the resultant child and motherhood is a gift from God. He's also looking at the glass as half full, i guess you could say. The point people focus on is the rape, but not what happens to a child. He believes a child is not subject to be legally murdered no matter how he/she is conceived.
@johnhzeeb1 Understood! I do not blame the child. But how dare he call it a gift from God!! More like a challenge from God as it takes a strong person to see through the pain to accept the child and not assign hate/malice/blame. I have no issues with a person making that decision. I also have no issues with a person not willing to carrying an embryo to term. But the concept of a "gift from God" is offensive to believers and non alike!
@Odinsjoke God loves all his children. We are called as believers to love all, even our enemies. Even a child spawned from a loving relationship is a challenge. Your response is an emotional one, granted understandable, but very harsh. Santorum, in this instance, is exhibiting the love God has for all of us, from the unborn to the elderly. Yes, a child in any form should ideally be considered a gift, and a challenge at the same time. That baby is still gonna wanna hug from momma
@johnhzeeb1 I am with you on that. A child into the world deserves all the love and opportunities that can be bestowed. But then we really aren't talking about that. We are talking about whether we are pro-life or pro-choice. I do not want to get into that debate. I am 100% pro-life but understand/accept the opposite point of view. And if God loved all his children, why so much hate, and misery in the world? No one can answer that. Yet I still believe! But God has nothing to do with it.
@Odinsjoke 100% pro-life means you do not accept abortion at all. Anyway, I was only disagreeing with your impression of his comment about the gift thing. Not such a bad answer for such a "F'd if you do, F'd if you don't" type question.
@johnhzeeb1 It isn't so black and white. I see grey in the issue. I can be for life yet also respect a woman's right to choose, especially if rape is a factor. And you are right....it is a f'd if you do and f'd if you don't type question.
@hildormuthafo Gift was associated with child, not rape. Do you really think he sees rape as a gift? And I'm sorry to sound cruel but whether one wants kids or not has no bearing on whether abortion is murder. It's not that conservative (at least like me) are standing there pointing at women like "Have a baby!" but more like "don't kill a baby."
@johnhzeeb1 Hah, ok, the Rape is a gift... was a tasteless joke. Aiight? Now, my point is, say you are an 18 year old girl. And you just got raped, and are pregnant. You were going to go to college, and have a great life. Santorum says you can't abort the kid, so now, besides having been raped which is horrible enough. You now have to take care of a kid that you didn't want or ask for, can't go to college, or live the life you wanted.
@hildormuthafo Ah, funny, so how bout this...You are in a car accident and need a heart transplant or you are never going to be able to do all those things you wanted to do (not die). There is only one heart in the world that fits you. It's in a patient sitting across from you. He has the POTENTIAL to survive his ailment, but nothing is certain. Is it moral to pull his plug, knowing you will get his heart? See what I did there?
@johnhzeeb1 these decisions are already illegal, and it still happens. In our history taking away things just shows to back fire completely. Abortion would still be done no matter what. None of this really matters anyway. Abortion would never be taken away.
@bmb2058 As will murder and rape. They are criminalized and i think its beyond argument that they should be. See what I mean? That "its never going away so this is pointless" argument is bunk.
@bmb2058 whoops misread the comment, but still, that it will never go away depends on alot of factors, including future medical understanding. This is far from pointless also because even if the legal climate remains the same, people should at least make an informed decision, so chatting this out is helpful.
i just posted the video response REPUBLICAN HEAVEN i hope they post it, why do the republicans care about sperm and embryo's but not the children once they are alive?
There is nothing greater in life than taking care of a child that will remind you of being raped. Truly a gift from god.
gev2323 15 hours ago 2
What a horrendous creature he is. I have absolutely no comprehension of this idea that a few microscopic cells should receive more human rights than a grown woman. Despicable.
Quixoticity 16 hours ago 2
you know what, simply out of spite, I'm going to vote for Rick, based on the amount of hilarious butthurt and pre-teen rage im seeing in the comments.
liberal tears will never have tasted so sweet.
BeyondLame 19 hours ago
@BeyondLame you have no friends
ohyeahhoneysheband 18 hours ago
@ohyeahhoneysheband
keep cryin'
BeyondLame 16 hours ago
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BeyondLame 19 hours ago
I find it very troublesome that the concept of life itself is granted more dignity than the actual living being itself.
Gonnakillyou 21 hours ago 7
Would one advise rape victims make the the worst out of a bad situation?
raf952 1 day ago
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raf952 1 day ago
Santorum should, himself, make the best out of a bad situation. In other words, he's going to be the death of the Republican party on the national scale.
MLFromGeorgia 4 days ago 3
There is not a debate. This asshole is a asshole!
MIKEANDKT 4 days ago
I have to learn Dutch.
themapoe 5 days ago
FUCKING IDIOT
CHELHIRO 5 days ago
Ironically his wife had to undergo an abortion to save her life, guess we know whose a stupid ass hypocrite, huh Santorum?
Jefferyxu45 5 days ago 2
click my name to see his next job possibilities!
whitecollarsgodown 6 days ago
This guy is one sick fucker! To say "everything is sacred" and then to call it "horribly created"! You know he would get his daughter an abortion and pay to cover it up too!
macrent2 1 week ago
A gift from God Rick? Your God must be one evil SOB. Every time the woman looks into the eyes of that child she will see the eyes of her rapist..the gift that just keeps on giving!
JoselleHutton 1 week ago 3
Even extremists like Santorum can't remain consistent with their view on abortion. If life begins at conception and you honestly believe that they are people, then you should advocate a murder investigation for every miscarriage, conspiracy to commit homicide for seeking the morning after pill, and murder in the first for abortions. They all live in cognitive dissonance.
firstatheist 1 week ago
I wish Santorum had been aborted. Fuck this waste of oxygen.
nikolaypr 1 week ago 23
@nikolaypr Oxygen is not the only resource he's taking up quantities off.
Gonnakillyou 21 hours ago
i hope one of his kids says they are gay....he is cold when it comes to that matter.
ihofaerefa 2 weeks ago
If you are against welfare, you should be in favor of abortion. Or at least favor some abortion.
darthtalonisback 2 weeks ago
@darthtalonisback what's your logic?
willberthepig 2 weeks ago
What a fucking idiot. So, if a woman is raped and gets pregnant against her will, it is a gift from God? Holy shit. Talk about a loss of civil liberties.
And that would also make for a child born out of wedlock, which he preaches against.
I am not a Democrat by any means. But this proves just how looney he is and why I do not care for the Religious Right.
Why would any sane person want their daughter to have a baby by some creep who raped her?
darthtalonisback 2 weeks ago
Right when he said "...what God has given you" is the dumbest fucking thing a president can say. I'm a Christian, but not everyone believes in God, and he's basically forcing the belief on people with that mindset, which is tyranny.
Tampaandrewful 2 weeks ago
@Tampaandrewful read the first few lines of the declaration of independence. it's not tyranny to believe in a God who believes in other people besides yourself too.
willberthepig 2 weeks ago
@willberthepig I see nothing in the DOI that has anything to do with what your talking about. Who is he to deny someone the right to happiness by forcing them to have a kid that isn't even theirs, a child born of adultery and rape. Who is he to force a person to relive such trauma every time they look at said child. Rick Santorum is a piece of shit, you should not force your interpretation of the heavenly father's will on someone.
Tampaandrewful 2 weeks ago
@Tampaandrewful oh the part where it talks about God-given rights and nature's Creator in the first two lines. ; ) Santorum's not saying that that is easy to have your child when you were raped in conceiving them. the whole debate rest on when life in the womb begins. Santorum supports that it begins at conception. that's not him forcing his interpretation of the heavenly father's will on someone.
willberthepig 2 weeks ago
@willberthepig It doesn't matter what Santorum thinks is right based on his religion. There is a separation of church and state in this country, and if the president's arguments are all backed by what he thinks the holy father wants, then he shouldn't even be eligible for the presidency.
Tampaandrewful 1 week ago
@Tampaandrewful he's not using his religion to defend his stances actually. it is some of the people that oppose him that pass him off as using his religion to make his stances. we also have a freedom to religion in this country. religions teach morals. people, like santorum, obama or pretty much anyone who runs for office practices or has practiced a religion that taught them morals. it's unlikely there's anyone outside of this box. should catholics be allowed to run for office?
willberthepig 1 week ago
@willberthepig When he says that life is a gift from God and we should except that gift, that is imposing religion. If an atheist woman was raped and told she couldn't abort the child because the president says, "Except this gift from God!" is nothing short of imposing religion. Who is he to say that the woman COULD POSSIBLY feel bad for killing a fetus, how can he make such a huge leap and assume that someone would feel bad for a killing a child that was forced upon them?
Tampaandrewful 1 week ago 13
@Tampaandrewful she wouldn't be told that tho and that is not the only reason for making abortion unlawful again. it is funny that rick offers up a lot of information onto how he came about his stance on abortion and he mentions God once and then his stance is claimed to be a religious imposition. He states that life begins at conception and that murder or taking a life is against the law.
willberthepig 1 week ago
@Tampaandrewful I'm with you the Govt should stay out of it. BBBUT the law has to make a stance somewhere. IE you can't say It's a life and then allow it no constitutional protection. And on the other end, you can't say it's not a life yet and then charge tripple murder if someone kills a woman pregnant with twins. The law has to pick a stance, I don't really care which one, but it has to pick. Food for thought.
61attheright 5 days ago
@61attheright Interesting perspective, but we should also consider how practical abortion is. There are 7 billion people on the planet now, and by 2044, possibly 9 billion. We don't need more people on the planet, and if a woman chooses to get an abortion it should be her own choice. Just like if someone wants to have gay-sex, it's their choice and they should be free to choose.
Tampaandrewful 4 days ago 2
@Tampaandrewful -- not at all. He is simply stating his values and position. What he would advise his daughters. That's what he was asked. Nowhere did he say he would impose his religious view on anyone.
raf952 1 day ago
@raf952 Errrr you think that isn't EXACTLY what he'd do if he was elected?? He'd impose his religious views on EVERYBODY. He's explicitly stated that he doesn't believe in the separation of church and state - one of America's founding principles.
Quixoticity 16 hours ago
@Tampaandrewful I don't think abortion is about killing children.
Gonnakillyou 21 hours ago
Google "Santorum".
danielrodriguez2264 2 weeks ago
Reminds me of the bumper sticker, "If you're against abortion don't get one." But people like Santorum want everyone to be just like them and aren't happy unless everyone else changes. That is what scares me.
Brettpavel1 2 weeks ago
I am so surprised this guy won 3 states on Tuesday. This guy is so far right that he is going to scare away all the moderate and independent voters he will need to beat Obama. The Republicans better consider someone else because this guy will lose horribly against Obama if he is the GOP candidate.
BoiledDogs 2 weeks ago
Wow Santorum you are an idiot (for a lack of a better term)!
aristicks 2 weeks ago
What if the baby is from incest rape? Not only could this cause complications for the baby, but how could you justify that?
What if the woman has a condition that pregnancy will exacerbate so much that she will die if she tries to carry to term? Do we just let her die?
What if the woman lives in a third-world country where she can afford to get an abortion, but if she tries to feed another mouth that means the rest of her family could starve? Or the baby just dies from malnourishment anyway?
PurpleMeatloaf 2 weeks ago
@cbcbarzarz Solution to death and suffering is killing? I guess this is the world today. "What ever happened to predictibility? The milkman, the paperboy, evening TV."
johnhzeeb1 2 weeks ago
... oh Jesus Christ, that guy is such a santorum.
TheMadFriday 2 weeks ago
what a lunatic.
sifelaver 2 weeks ago
I understand why people would not think it was a life before 6 weeks. But at 6 weeks THE BABY HAS A HEARTBEAT. I don't think anyone can HONESTLY say that something with a heartbeat is not alive. America is in a sorry state when the majority believes that killing a person is a good idea to save that person from a difficult life.
davebussard 3 weeks ago
this guy seems to be trying to give answers moreso than ask questions (the interviewer).
willberthepig 3 weeks ago
fuck this guy
Acidstamps 3 weeks ago 9
Santorum, you are an evil bastard and you deserve to rot in hell. I hope your daughters get repeatedly raped by mentally defective black men.
snowday333 3 weeks ago
@snowday333 First sentence: SPOT ON!!! Second sentence: A little much... I would not wish that on them, you can't blame them for having an evil, un-compassionate, stupid father, i hope they don't get raped/pregnant because then they'll have to suffer and he won't care at all.
PurpleMeatloaf 2 weeks ago
wow...i mean i knew he was kind of a shitbird, but i didn't know it was this bad
shalombitchez 3 weeks ago
This man is absolutely absurd.
isnerdy 3 weeks ago
santorum for president!... if you want this country to fail
swagfcuk 3 weeks ago
Santorum is such a slimy little fucking rat.
gunzt3rkenfu92 3 weeks ago
I think we need to get away from the stance that attacks him for his view of any pregnancy as a gift from God. That is not really a surprising view from any Christian. What needs to be attacked - vociferously - is his idea that because he holds that view, that he can then decide what is BEST and RIGHT for an individual woman. More so - that he thinks we should LEGISLATE what he thinks is right into law.
Volvican 3 weeks ago
@ShabbasDragoon why did you leave the o out of God
adamlambertisanangel 4 weeks ago
If facehuggers from the Aliens universe existed, I'd petition to have one put on this guy's face. We'll see how he likes THAT 'gift'.
Azure6018 4 weeks ago
Always look on the bright side of rape
Always look on the bright side of rape
Some things in life are bad, they can really make you mad
Other things just make you swear and curse
When you're chewing on life's gristle, don't grumble give a whistle
This will help things turn out for the best
Always look on the bright side of rape
Always look on the right side of rape
If life seems jolly rotten, there's something you've forgotten
And that's to laugh and smile and dance and sing!
shonuffisthemaster 4 weeks ago
Is he fucking crazy? I can't believe I'm hearing this.
MrTony1540 1 month ago
Seriously! He can say that with a straight face. Oh my gosh. I hope that his daughters are never in that situation, he's cool with his daughters having a child that was produced from rape.
leslieuresti 1 month ago
There are a lot of interesting arguments on both sides. However, I personally lean toward abortions being illegal after the 8th week. It's kind of extremist to believe that life begins at conception - IIRC, this is the point at which the sperm fertilizes the egg - which is basically a few moments after the man says "Gee honey, I was going to pull out, but the phone rang and it startled me. :D
But seriously though, rape is no laughing matter. It's traumatic for the victim, and to force a
RadcliffOfCrymod 1 month ago
woman to continue to have this child against her will is completely wrong, and that decision should be left to the woman.
That's just my personal belief though. :)
RadcliffOfCrymod 1 month ago
Correction: That should say 8th month, not 8th week. :)
RadcliffOfCrymod 1 month ago
My great grandma was a rape baby. She had a horrible life. She was tossed around between families, horrifically abused, and eventually found solace in a crazy, extreme religion that controlled her life. She was used as a slave in foster homes. I wouldn't wish that on anyone, anywhere. In a situation like this, abortion is a merciful act towards the unborn child. I would rather not exist than have her live the life she did.
emilyxdaniels 1 month ago 15
@emilyxdaniels without your great grandma, you would not be here to write this comment.
marksyron7 4 weeks ago
@marksyron7 And I wouldn't care, because I wouldn't have any consciousness of my potential existence.
emilyxdaniels 4 weeks ago
@emilyxdaniels i just wanted to point out that you're saying that it was better off your great grandma didn't live. wouldn't that mean you wouldn't be alive? i don't wish the horrible things that happened to her either and i don't know you but just cause we're both people i'm glad you're around.
willberthepig 3 weeks ago
@willberthepig It doesn't really matter if he existed it or not. I wouldn't like anyone to live that kind of life. I'd rather be aborted then that happening.
thelastblah 2 weeks ago
@thelastblah i don't like that people have to go through hard stuff too (not that i haven't put people through hard stuff even through my own fault before). i'm more than glad they're around though and i hope they don't think themselves worth less or something because of how they came about. it's something i probably can't understand that well because it's such a hard situation, i'm definitely glad they're here though and i'm sure they have a lot to say too and much to offer.
willberthepig 2 weeks ago 2
What an idiot to even think this, much less say it. It sounds like he is from a century or so ago.
artistpw 1 month ago
How about we rape his wife and see how he likes that.
TheRedWarden 1 month ago
Load of crap, this is. This is a man, trying to imagine what it would be like to have a traumatic experience with life changing effects...and saying a woman should keep what will be a daily reminder of that experience? I'd be more messed up in the head doing that, than if I 'killed' my child.
bombygriz 1 month ago
i sometimes wonder if the sperm that comes out of me feels pain when i throw the tissue in the fireplace. If i take one my girl's unfertilized eggs, put it in a culture tray and lob some sperm on it, and then throw it in the fire, is it now baby murder? Imagine this guy as vice prez to that crazy rich Mormon guy? Hahaha....And people wonder why most of the world hates the USA.....those are the front runners our society picked as leaders?
Knucklesound 1 month ago
@Knucklesound To be correct, the people you are referring to are republicans. Granted, democrats aren't perfect and I completely resent Obama for going to war with Libya. Also, democrats often do stupid politician shit like selling out and lying to the public. But I have yet to see a democrat who openly opposes contraception and raped-victim abortions. These fucking republicans really give our country a bad name. I would hate the US too if I was in another country.
aznlalaland 1 month ago
what if the female that has been raped is just a child herself what if she is 13 or 14 and the rape is her first sexual encounter why should she
be expected to go through such an ordeal
adamlambertisanangel 1 month ago in playlist other crap 12
@adamlambertisanangel you could consider from the opposite view of what effect does legalizing abortion and making it more available have on views of sexuality. if people don't have to consider that they are gonna make someone else pregnant cause they can just get an abortion than aren't they gonna be more likely to rape someone else? takes out a whole moral blocker to the situation. that is a very hard situation tho.
willberthepig 3 weeks ago
@willberthepig I'm pretty sure rapists don't really care if the woman gets pregnant or not. And abortions can be expensive and painful, and even though they are pretty safe, there can always be complications. I would rather buy condoms than get an abortion any day, as I'm sure any woman would. When abortions are illegal the number does NOT lower, women will still get scared and panic, except now they're more likely to die because of unsafe, botched abortions, and there's proof.
PurpleMeatloaf 2 weeks ago
@PurpleMeatloaf my point is that legalizing abortions and making them more available promotes sexual promiscuity. contraception promotes it too. the problem is obviously not that we are sexual but is how we use are sexuality. if the problems we face today (on this subject) are caused by our own problems with our sexuality then how will promoting people to have sex more ultimately solve the problem? maybe we should focus on being more supportive and caring rather than this.
willberthepig 2 weeks ago
@willberthepig No, it doesn't. But not having access to birth control does lead to a higher amount of abortions, and not having access to legal abortions leads to higher amount of deaths. And even if there was more promiscuity, so what? Why is having sex a problem? When people have access to the information, and know the risks safe sex ensues. Not teaching about sex does not stop people from having it, ignoring a problem will not make it go away.
PurpleMeatloaf 2 weeks ago
@PurpleMeatloaf the point is that that's the root of the problem. (i'm talking about men and women here just to let you know) i'm not saying don't teach about it, really what i'm saying suggests the opposite. teach kids about all the issues we have today and where they come from and they'll see the root of the problem too. in the big picture having access to birth control, contraceptives and abortion promotes sexual promiscuity.
willberthepig 2 weeks ago
@willberthepig That's just it, it does NOT promote sexual promiscuity. NOT knowing about it does, because kids think it's all fun and games, not realizing the risks involved. And even if we taught only risks, and not how to prevent them, kids will think "it'll never happen to me" Because that's human nature, we think we're impervious. Have you ever not worn your seatbelt? We know the risks, but do it anyway. People WILL have sex, even if contraceptives/abortion are not available.
PurpleMeatloaf 2 weeks ago
@PurpleMeatloaf not knowing about sex or what it's about leaves someone open to sexual promiscuity moreso than not knowing about contraception or abortion. if you know about those things how would it make you less sexually promiscuous? maybe people should be taught (or moreso people should teach) about what sex is really about (not just what happens during it or what it does) and what marriage is really about.
willberthepig 2 weeks ago
Hey Santorum, how about you let that poor raped woman choose how she lives her life? Even if she chooses to have an abortion, and even if she later believes that choice was something that ruined her life, IT WAS HER CHOICE. And until that fetus can survive on its own, IT'S HER BODY.
Don't like that? STOP RAPE.
whatthehellpeople 1 month ago 2
@whatthehellpeople
Guess you've always been able to survive on your own then, huh?
ztnagobw 1 month ago
@ztnagobw No, until about the third trimester I was completely parasitic to my mother's own body. Had I been removed from her body, for whatever reason, I would not have been able to survive. If my mother had not wanted me, it would have been her right to shed a parasite, it would have been her right to decide what she wold do with her own body.
whatthehellpeople 1 month ago
santorum (san-TOR-um) n.
1. The frothy mixture of lube and fecal matter that is sometimes the by-product of anal sex
jigglyfidda125 1 month ago
@jigglyfidda125
I've always been a little confused by that definition.
Frothy?
Maybe if you're dating a blender!
WhattaWhistle 1 month ago
I never thought I'd say this, but I tend to agree with Santorum on this issue. The negative circumstance in which a child is brought into the world doesn't give anybody the right to end that child's life. Once that child is conceived, it is a sovereign entity, and has rights of it's own, and ending it's life is akin to murder. It may not seem like it, because the child is inside the mother's stomach,not laying in front of you, and seemingly non-existant, but it is a child nonetheless.
TheSuitIsNOTBlack 1 month ago
@TheSuitIsNOTBlack Finally, a sane person on the comment page!
ztnagobw 1 month ago
So if I, as an atheist, am raped and become pregnant...should I also embrace this 'gift from God'?
hucklebuckets 1 month ago 3
Bigot. I hate when religion and politics are in bed with each other. Separation of Church and State, it's not hard! Also, yes I am in the pro camp, even though I am adopted. Why? Well one, it's none of the Gov's damn business, two, attitude like his and most of the anti's. Is there better options? Yes. However, let women do what they want, especially in this case!
Ninspec 1 month ago
Put this guy in the shower room in D Block for a month or two and see if he changes his tune.
sucktastic 1 month ago 2
Haha! What a piece of shit!
TheEclipse9990 1 month ago
This dude is a worthless asshole.
colleenfrances 1 month ago
Whoever thought that religion should go along with politics and public affairs should have been shot. The religious right and the Bible belt is keeping old horrendous "values" alive.
metalmilitia89 1 month ago
* RELIGIOUS ZEALOTS ARE DANGEROUS !
niceguy1060 1 month ago
she shouldnt have the kid because after birth the vagina gets stretched out and she would be pretty much no good for sex after that. maybe with horses
mittROMNEY666 1 month ago
The same anti abortion crowd will napalm millions of children and if you point out to the anti abortion people that there were no WMD's the anti abortion people will shrug their shoulders and brush it all off as if they did nothing more than eat a hamburger.
666brainiac 1 month ago
@666brainiac So true, man. It's horrendous hypocrisy.
PsychoticNeurotic 1 month ago
@ShabbasDragoon Clump of cells is a human being, at its earliest stage. In fact, we're all just a larger clump of cells. What gets me is I cannot figure out where that line is drawn, where a clump of cells changes into "person." At what precise moment does this clump of cells become a person, and why is it that particular moment?
johnhzeeb1 1 month ago
If you are raped and you have a child, it is up to you if you want or do not want the child. If it was my child that in general, pregnant, i would tell them get an abortion.
artilleryboy1 1 month ago
I like Rick!
lordtiberius 1 month ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@lordtiberius proudly announced: "I like Rick!"
You "like Rick," do ya'? Good for you, lordtiberius! But the burning question?
The one that everybody reading this is waiting on their edge of their seats to hear the answer to is (drum roll, please):
Sure, but do you like Santorum?
WhattaWhistle 1 month ago
@WhattaWhistle
Who flagged my comment as spam? Who?
Step up and take your medicine, child.
Or kindly GTFO.
WhattaWhistle 1 month ago
stop blaming his belief in god for this he may be a christian but this shit he is spouting are the words of satan.
adamlambertisanangel 1 month ago
@adamlambertisanangel really ??... wouldn't satan like abortion you very dumb individual
TheJasonDR 4 weeks ago
@TheJasonDR the point is not about satan and abortion the point is that the words coming out of this mans mouth do not equate with something that a god of love would want his followers to say. True christians are taught to love thy neighbor and not to judge. Satan works in such a way that by this man saying this it possibly turns people away from god and there is no need for insults i am not a very dumb individual just for expressing an opinion.
adamlambertisanangel 4 weeks ago
@adamlambertisanangel ...you should watch this video again to understand what he is saying....he is literally saying that he would talk his daughter out of having an Abortion
TheJasonDR 4 weeks ago
@TheJasonDR Also why would satan like abortions after all innocents ie children go to heaven it is easier for satan to try to claim souls from adults though we are all born with sin children do not know any better. You do not have to share my view after all it is just a theory i had though i do believe in god and follow jesus as my lord and savior. By the way that is not to say that god wants abortions just because he wants souls in heaven he wants people to come to him of their own free will
adamlambertisanangel 4 weeks ago
for a good man to do bad things he only needs religion
ryancsmith2003 1 month ago
@ShabbasDragoon You want to depopulate, start with yourself, not someone else. The fetus is a human being aka a person, it is not a citizen, and i am arguing that he/she does deserve rights. The government can criminalize a practice that kills persons.
johnhzeeb1 1 month ago
@johnhzeeb1 Not a person. It has the potential to be a person but it isnt. It isnt killing its just preventing a life from occuring. People should take religion out of these things and look at it from an ethical point of view. There are to many situations to say whether abortion is right or wrong, but in the case of pregnancy of a young teen through rape then i would advise abortion. A child would wreck to many lives. It would also remind the girl of her rape and torture her because of that.
artilleryboy1 1 month ago
@artilleryboy1 Yea, it is a person. It has the potential to be a doctor, lawyer, etc., but it is a person already. Abortion does not prevent a life from occurring, it ends a life that is existing already. That "clump of cells" is an organism that is going through normal life processes.
johnhzeeb1 1 month ago
@johnhzeeb1 shut up. who cares. no rational thought = not a person. life is not sacred. nothing is. fuck you and fuck god.
mittROMNEY666 1 month ago
@johnhzeeb1 Not a person. It has a potential to do that but it isnt.
artilleryboy1 1 month ago
Since we know about genetics... im sure a raped woman would want a child that has a genetic predisposition to be a RAPIST... Fuck U crazy Fool!!
Levi6110 1 month ago
Fuck YOU Santorum ignorant FUCK
Levi6110 1 month ago
@ShabbasDragoon How many times do we have to discuss that the heart is just a muscle for pumping blood? Again - Wikipedia.
PsychoticNeurotic 1 month ago
@ShabbasDragoon Are you honestly telling me that we got to the abolition of slavery and the ending of apartheid through GUT FEELING instead of rationalised and debate?
PsychoticNeurotic 1 month ago
@ShabbasDragoon On the contrary - that is EXACTLY what I am saying. And I think you'd find that most of the literature on developmental psychology would agree with me.
I think, and again I will direct your attention to this video alone, that it's very naive to say that 'everyone feels a common reaction to morality'.
And even if it IS a 'gut feeling' - it should be able to be rationalised, shouldn't it? Fear, anger and disgust are all gut feelings, but we can certainly discuss them.
PsychoticNeurotic 1 month ago
@ShabbasDragoon You really couldn't be more wrong about morality being 'in your from the start'! Think about the behaviour of babies! They learn not to take toys off of other children when we have explained to them why it's wrong, otherwise they just wouldn't do it!
I urge you to look up and really study 'moral error theory' on Wikipedia. It may give you a viewpoint which shows how difficult a topic morality really is.
PsychoticNeurotic 1 month ago
@ShabbasDragoon As we have established - the difficult thing to do is know what is the moral thing to do in the first place.
And besides - ain't no such thing as sin. So as an atheist, I'm off the hook, right?
PsychoticNeurotic 1 month ago
@ShabbasDragoon Well, at the risk of being awkward, I'm bisexual, and I do get kinda sick of people telling me that my 'arguments' (i.e. facts about whether or not my feelings are choice or not) are akin to those of the Devil... Not that you are.
It's a bizarre feeling, watching some of the US pres. candidates whom are 'lucky', if you will, enough to be straight, talking about gays. It's confusing to think that someone could hate and misunderstand me so much without even knowing I exist.
PsychoticNeurotic 1 month ago
@ShabbasDragoon Maybe that is the moral ideal (though we cannot help how we feel about individuals we are attracted to, hence the homosexuality anger that Mr. Santorum strikes up) But we're animals. Few animals are monogamous.
I completely agree with you that it's best to teach condom use, moderation etc - but we do that already, and I can' t think of any organisation that is rallying for the promotion of the morning-after-pill ALONGSIDE *decreasing* sex education. Often it's the opposite.
PsychoticNeurotic 1 month ago
@ShabbasDragoon Pal, I have to say this - if you believe that withdrawing the morning after-pill will reduce the amount of promiscuity, then you really don't understand the teenage-psyche. Your statement is, sadly, simply wrong.
I mean, damn, people say 'the death penalty is a deterrent' - but look at Texas. Here in England we have no such thing, and a farrrrrrr lower murder rate.
PsychoticNeurotic 1 month ago
@ShabbasDragoon Why are you 'sure' if you don't think we could ever quantify it?
Isn't that prejudice?
Also, I'm really playing devils advocate as I'm more happy about the fact you're pro-choice simply through practicality (abortions are gonna happen anyway, right? best through a hospital than in an alley with a coat-hanger...)
Random question: Do you consider the morning-after-pill to be a form of abortion?
PsychoticNeurotic 1 month ago
@ShabbasDragoon (I really can't afford to be vain with *my* face :P )
PsychoticNeurotic 1 month ago
@ShabbasDragoon Nightclubs may be immoral. But I just went there to dance. And dance I did.
PsychoticNeurotic 1 month ago
@ShabbasDragoon I AM A MADAM, NOT A SIR.
Thank you.
PsychoticNeurotic 1 month ago
@ShabbasDragoon To be fair I just got a cheeseburger on my drunken stagger back from a nightclub.
God Bless the toastmakers.
PsychoticNeurotic 1 month ago
@ShabbasDragoon You cant say 'fin' and then add more stuff :P
PsychoticNeurotic 1 month ago
@ShabbasDragoon It's probably best we leave it here eh. I don't know about you but here in England it's 3.30am.
Peace x
PsychoticNeurotic 1 month ago
@ShabbasDragoon
'Morality is simple, but I'm having a very hard time defining it so I'm beating about the bus hand throwing ad homonim insults in order to detract from the fact'.
That's all I'm hearing.
Also, I'm a Ms, not a Mr. :P
PsychoticNeurotic 1 month ago
@ShabbasDragoon Well, like I said, it's irrelevant whether you believe me or not - but what would you like me to do to prove it? I had an exam on electrochemistry today - would you like me to describe PEM or Lithium Ion fuel cells? The sticking probability of molecules at an electrode surface? The Leivich or Cottrel equation? The behavioural differences between chemisorbed and physisorbed molecules on a Platinum catalyst? By all means, make today worthwhile for me.
PsychoticNeurotic 1 month ago
@ShabbasDragoon Having said that though, I only remarked about my science background because of your point about the heart (which was irrelevant completely) - I completely accept that morality is not a scientific issue.
PsychoticNeurotic 1 month ago
@ShabbasDragoon if you want to be specific - I'm a chemist.
PsychoticNeurotic 1 month ago
@ShabbasDragoon Right, so your definition of morality is 'harming yourself or others' then? (finally something I can work with!). Why is that? I can understand not harming others - I totally agree, you have no right to - but doesn't your body belong to YOU? Damaging someone else's property is immoral, but if I buy an object, then destroy it, does that make me immoral? I would argue no. It's mine to do with what I please, and if that hurts nobody - who is to complain? God? I don't believe in God.
PsychoticNeurotic 1 month ago
@ShabbasDragoon And if someone's body suffers - how does that equate to having poor morals!? Our bodies suffer when we accidentally cut ourselves. And? am I a bad person for tripping over? You're talking crap.
PsychoticNeurotic 1 month ago
@ShabbasDragoon I am a scientist... I've spent the last 4 years studying science and I work in a laboratory.
Moving on...
I didn't see you backing up your 'complicated heart muscle' claim. Even children know your heart doesn't think.
And ONCE AGAIN you are telling me that 'something is wrong by definition', but failing to define morality.
So, finally, I will ask you what your definition of morality is - it should NOT BE HARD for you, from what you have said. Just do me this one bloody favour?
PsychoticNeurotic 1 month ago
@ShabbasDragoon Please, I am a scientist - what is your job?
Secondly, I think you're right - I won't convince anyone with such a lack of basic understanding of biology/life in general of anything. You called RUNNING immoral. Lets focus on that, now, shall we? HOW on Earth could *running* too much ever be immoral?
You have NOT thought this through, Friend.
PsychoticNeurotic 1 month ago
I remember one news story where this poor ten year old girl was raped by her stepfather and was pregnant with twins. Even though her mom was Catholic, she allowed an abortion because she was terrified what going full-term would do to her child. Unfortunately the mom was threatened with excommunication but not the rapist.
He's not any better than the church that threatened the mom.
beardpapa12 1 month ago
@ShabbasDragoon I have never seen His face. I've spoken to him. I think i may have heard his response. Cant prove it. Not trying to. This issue is a concern of anyone who chooses to concern themself with it. This is civil rights baby, right up my alley. nuff copouts, don't tell me not to advocate for the defenseless, my choice. Lets talk about personhood or something, not religious bla bla, i see you dont care for it
johnhzeeb1 1 month ago
You may not NEED to, but I am politely ASKING you to, mainly because I don't think you can. I think you need to think about it more.
And 'listen to your heart'!? Give me a break! You heart is a muscle that pumps blood around your body - nothing more!
You have so much to say about morality, it should be 'simple', as you've asserted yourself, to define it.
PsychoticNeurotic 1 month ago
@ShabbasDragoon You can practically practicalize anything. Everything is done for some practical goal or another, no?
johnhzeeb1 1 month ago
@ShabbasDragoon I will imagine all of the unfit and fit mothers through the same lense: the one that focuses on the child. The child has a number of possible outcomes. 1. abortion by being vacuumed apart or poisoned or hangered or whatever. Murder. 2. They can be born and face the same obstacles as any of us. Freedom.
johnhzeeb1 1 month ago
@murdocha That is just another erroneous statement. Do you have it in you to speak simple truth?
robschwenck 1 month ago
I don't understand how you can say life begins at conception protect it even in cases of rape,but then kill innocent civilians in war. These are women,children and men who may even object to their country polices and are to poor to move. If you say protect life no matter what then mean it across the board hypocrite. maybe someone should impregnate him I know he has a pussy.
seatown2000 1 month ago
@ShabbasDragoon Never once have i contended that choice cannot be limited. I believe in freedom so long as it does not unduly encroach upon another's ability to exercise their own freedom. Removing impulses is not the goal of legislation, there are 5 goals to punishment, wiki them.
johnhzeeb1 1 month ago
@ShabbasDragoon So define it for me.
PsychoticNeurotic 1 month ago
@ShabbasDragoon Good troll, heh. Be careful or I'll have the mods pink you
johnhzeeb1 1 month ago
Insane to think that a girl impregnated by rape is a gift from God!!! Really....God condones the violation? God condones the violence? That is how God gave a gift? Really? Insane!!!! If that is how you believe....then keep your God away from every woman in the world. I am sure a husband, a Father and cousin, a brother, a friend would never ever thank God for that kind of gift!!
Odinsjoke 1 month ago
@Odinsjoke rape is not a gift from God, he was merely saying that the resultant child and motherhood is a gift from God. He's also looking at the glass as half full, i guess you could say. The point people focus on is the rape, but not what happens to a child. He believes a child is not subject to be legally murdered no matter how he/she is conceived.
johnhzeeb1 1 month ago
@johnhzeeb1 Understood! I do not blame the child. But how dare he call it a gift from God!! More like a challenge from God as it takes a strong person to see through the pain to accept the child and not assign hate/malice/blame. I have no issues with a person making that decision. I also have no issues with a person not willing to carrying an embryo to term. But the concept of a "gift from God" is offensive to believers and non alike!
Odinsjoke 1 month ago
@Odinsjoke God loves all his children. We are called as believers to love all, even our enemies. Even a child spawned from a loving relationship is a challenge. Your response is an emotional one, granted understandable, but very harsh. Santorum, in this instance, is exhibiting the love God has for all of us, from the unborn to the elderly. Yes, a child in any form should ideally be considered a gift, and a challenge at the same time. That baby is still gonna wanna hug from momma
johnhzeeb1 1 month ago
@johnhzeeb1 I am with you on that. A child into the world deserves all the love and opportunities that can be bestowed. But then we really aren't talking about that. We are talking about whether we are pro-life or pro-choice. I do not want to get into that debate. I am 100% pro-life but understand/accept the opposite point of view. And if God loved all his children, why so much hate, and misery in the world? No one can answer that. Yet I still believe! But God has nothing to do with it.
Odinsjoke 1 month ago
@Odinsjoke 100% pro-life means you do not accept abortion at all. Anyway, I was only disagreeing with your impression of his comment about the gift thing. Not such a bad answer for such a "F'd if you do, F'd if you don't" type question.
johnhzeeb1 1 month ago
@johnhzeeb1 It isn't so black and white. I see grey in the issue. I can be for life yet also respect a woman's right to choose, especially if rape is a factor. And you are right....it is a f'd if you do and f'd if you don't type question.
Odinsjoke 1 month ago 2
@hildormuthafo Gift was associated with child, not rape. Do you really think he sees rape as a gift? And I'm sorry to sound cruel but whether one wants kids or not has no bearing on whether abortion is murder. It's not that conservative (at least like me) are standing there pointing at women like "Have a baby!" but more like "don't kill a baby."
johnhzeeb1 1 month ago
@johnhzeeb1 Hah, ok, the Rape is a gift... was a tasteless joke. Aiight? Now, my point is, say you are an 18 year old girl. And you just got raped, and are pregnant. You were going to go to college, and have a great life. Santorum says you can't abort the kid, so now, besides having been raped which is horrible enough. You now have to take care of a kid that you didn't want or ask for, can't go to college, or live the life you wanted.
hildormuthafo 1 month ago
@hildormuthafo Ah, funny, so how bout this...You are in a car accident and need a heart transplant or you are never going to be able to do all those things you wanted to do (not die). There is only one heart in the world that fits you. It's in a patient sitting across from you. He has the POTENTIAL to survive his ailment, but nothing is certain. Is it moral to pull his plug, knowing you will get his heart? See what I did there?
johnhzeeb1 1 month ago
@johnhzeeb1 these decisions are already illegal, and it still happens. In our history taking away things just shows to back fire completely. Abortion would still be done no matter what. None of this really matters anyway. Abortion would never be taken away.
bmb2058 1 month ago
@bmb2058 As will murder and rape. They are criminalized and i think its beyond argument that they should be. See what I mean? That "its never going away so this is pointless" argument is bunk.
johnhzeeb1 1 month ago
@bmb2058 whoops misread the comment, but still, that it will never go away depends on alot of factors, including future medical understanding. This is far from pointless also because even if the legal climate remains the same, people should at least make an informed decision, so chatting this out is helpful.
johnhzeeb1 1 month ago
i just posted the video response REPUBLICAN HEAVEN i hope they post it, why do the republicans care about sperm and embryo's but not the children once they are alive?
487shawn 1 month ago
@murdocha So the defense of your position relies on jumping from one untenable, irrational analogy to the next. Brilliant.
robschwenck 1 month ago