He just keeps stirring up Judy. Why did he even call her? And poor Lorna. She was, what, 15 years old, and having to hear this man tell her that someone has been saying "things" about Judy. He says he can't say what they are, he's "on the spot," but he keeps bringing them up.
What he did was illegal, of course--BUT--I'm actually glad he did it cuz we have charming witty frank off the cuff (non tv) comments from her. Its priceless really.
interesting,that people think its horrible that wayne taped these but the same people listen to every word of it! Also, this call is very unfair to nancy barr.We all know how Judy was,one moment she loved you and the next moment she hated you and than later loved you again.This was just one days feelings and doesnt tell the whole picture of what was going on.
Wayne was a bottom feeder and he added fuel to the fire of whatever went on and Poor Judy unaware of this recording is just criminal. Wayne should have gotten a good old A*ss Whipping.
What an egotistical turd. "Uncle Wayne" indeed. If Judy truly had a "biggest fan", he/she wouldn't openly express it. Egging her on about the comments supposedly said by Nancy Barr (and then not even telling her what she said!) is a damn cheat. As for taping Judy without her knowledge, that pretty much speaks for itself; it's almost like voyeurism.
Negative comments aside, it is wonderful to have a recording of a relaxed, casual Judy. Thanks so much for sharing this.
This is so typical. I've known of other situations where celebrities befriend the wrong type of fans. It's usually because those types of fans are the most pushy and not afraid to stick their nose into the celebrity's life without any regard for their privacy.
I guess if you've listened to all of Wayne's tapes, you would come away with a different impression. From listening to ALL the tapes, I come away with the impression that he was very good to Judy and visa versa.
Are you kidding, Damone? He would not defend JG when he heard Nancy Barr-Brandon (who is a VIPER) maligning her; he upset JG by telling her Nancy was telling nasty stories about her, but refused to give JG or Lorna Luft even a clue about what was said; and the WORST part of all, he was taping her w/o her knowledge, pretending to be her staunch friend and loyal supporter, and if you knew Miss Judy, you'd know she would have flipped if she knew that he was betraying her by secretly recording her!
@mmdillons Nancy Barr was a fan that Judy had an affair with. These types of affairs were very closeted then. My question -- did Nancy have an affair with Liza too?
This freako is capable of anything. Blackmail, embezzlement, stalking, even maybe murder. He just sounds freaky. "Darling." "Judy, Judy" using hr name over and over so the recording will prove it's indeed her. Seriously, if Judy had been murdered by Wayne, these calls would sure fit the behavior of a killer stalker freak. Dangerous man, as well as underhanded and exploitive.
Judy was such a wonderful person and funny and intelligent and charming. So many people took advantage of her and hung on because of her celebrity, like vultures they were and when we lost Judy we lost the most incredible talent ever and the likes of her will not be seen on this earth again.
i read on a comment that nancy barr had had affairs with judy and liza, and when she tried to sleep with lorna who was juast a teenager, judy made her leave! OMG, is this true?? i am a huge fan, and i just can't belive it! was it in the papers or anything?? i've also read alot of her biographys', and have never even heard of nancy barr, untill now? if anyone has any info about it, please fill me in!! thanks :)
nancy barr is a closet les-wayne martin was a loser who was addicted to judy and used her-judy was an immature addict and these shits used her-wayne i=was a fat faggot and nancy a lesbian
Nancy Barr mooched off of Judy and Liza for years. She was the lover of Margaret Whiting in her last years and claimed to have had affairs with Judy and Liza. When she tried to sleep with Lorna who was just a teenager, Judy cut her off completely.
She even had the audacity of taking a photo of Judy on the toilet passed out and SOLD it through her "photo service". She had another lover by the name of Judie Bernstein who was scary!!! Pretty bad taste all around. She rescues animals. Poor animals!
This conversation would have taken place in 1968 - about one year before she passed away (not two years as shown on the video). He talked about Lorna performing at the Palace with her mother "last summer", which happened in 1967.
This shows exactly how much Judy lied in the last years of her life. Nancy is a friend of mine and everything that Judy says about her is wrong. Judy herself lived off Nancy and anyone else who would put up with her crap. I loved Judy Garland but she told lies and made up stories at the drop of a hat. I hate to say it but Judy was a nut case.
I guess anyone on here could be a friend of anyone, lol. Metaphorically, I could be a long lost, estranged step sister of Liza from Judy's secret affair with Mickey Rooney, couldn't I?
No one knows the truth except Nancy and Judy, regardless of Judy's problems at the time.
It might be in your best interest to realize that all of these people, Barr, Martin, etc. were hangers-on; they did make money off of Judy, and although Judy certainly had her problems, the "nutcases" were all around her and picking her bones clean. If Judy were such a nut and living off of them, why did they choose to stay in her life? Shame on all of them!
How amazing that Judy was so accessible to her fans. She suffered with these creeps like Wayne Martin who claimed he loved Judy and yet he taped her phone calls. She trusted this man with her private phone number. He's one creepy man. Nowadays the people who are "fans" are wacked. Wayne is wacked backed then. He also sounded he was out to get Judy to help him out financially. He kept throwing in his "situation" & maybe she would offer to help him out. What a BUM
It IS shocking that he had the audacity to tape these calls . . . a friend does NOT do that . . . quite simply. How desperate was Mr. Martin at this point in time . . . poor taste -- for sure.
He kept getting her to confirm that the arrangement for the book, would be - an exclusive. That's probably why he's recording it. He sounds like a whimp, and probably shifty, no matter how much he loves her. Poor thing desperately needed money. I wonder if he ever got her any thru "his friends." At least her last companion cared for her. He was gay, but she didn't need sex at that point. And she left happy and not alone. See you in the Etheric World, Judy.
isnt she so sweet and not one swear word from her and the way she speaks about lorna she was a true mother but sounds so lonely how sad it all was it makes you think if only we knew at the time ! why didnt her so called no1 fan help her i wonder how much money he has made from her over the years too ! very sad
Nabcy Barr also ran the Liza Minnelli fan club in the 70's..She would sned you snapshots of Liza that she took in performance and off stage. If you wanted any, you kept the ones you wanted and
sent her a check. She had a monthly newsletter too.
Nancy Barr was a a quasi-paparazzi in the 60s who traded on candid images of Judy. Met her once & bought a few snaps. She also claimed to have had an affair w/ Judy, not impossible yet who knows? Wayne was a true blue friend & fan of Judy's for years. So cut him some slack.
I love listening to these- Judy sounds lucid, hopeful & respectful of Wayne & his devotion- far less offensive than the tragic tapes she made for an auto-bio that never happened.
There is another recording in which Judy talks to Wayne about Valley of the Dolls and her involvment with the project. I have since lost this file but I am trying to get it back.
Where have I been? I didn't even know of these recordings! Where are they from? There can be no doubt that this is Judy,and boy it took forever going over the subject of Nancy Barr and all.I'm not so sure that Wayne was using Judy,mearly preserving something personal like this for Fans and Prosterity is wonderful interesting insightful and important from a historical view point.Are there any more I wonder? Thank you for posting all 3 parts,it's great to discover something new to me!
@marilynfanonline I dont believe any of that Lesbian rumor B.S. regarding Judy Garland. This woman even in death still has to endure these Guttersnipes. Wayne Martin is the lowest form of life there is. It saddens me to hear Judy so sincere and this freak is trying to make a buck off Judy and deep down thinks she could help him out financially by hinting that he is in dire straights. The fat bum should've gotten himself a real a job .
Meant to comment on the accompanying photos of Judy. Beautiful. I particularly enjoyed the pics from "Oz." Thx.
Jayee123 2 weeks ago
He just keeps stirring up Judy. Why did he even call her? And poor Lorna. She was, what, 15 years old, and having to hear this man tell her that someone has been saying "things" about Judy. He says he can't say what they are, he's "on the spot," but he keeps bringing them up.
Jayee123 2 weeks ago
What he did was illegal, of course--BUT--I'm actually glad he did it cuz we have charming witty frank off the cuff (non tv) comments from her. Its priceless really.
windstorm1000 1 month ago
@robobot3421 i think she did, i cant make it out xD
OldHollywoodLove 2 months ago
call the gang up the coast.......hahaha I LOVE HER!
misslilah01 5 months ago
WHAT A FUCKING LOSER!!!! AHHH I WANNA STRANGLE HIM! BAck off my Judy!!!
misslilah01 5 months ago
He says he loves judy yet continues to hurt her feelings by telling her that people are being rotten to her, what a creep!
xenagowge 11 months ago
weird
shnooger 1 year ago
It's heartbreaking to hear her trust being abused in this way - he sounds like such a seedy, kiss ass little worm.
All the same, it's interesting to hear. But still heartbreaking.
diddlybuds 1 year ago
interesting,that people think its horrible that wayne taped these but the same people listen to every word of it! Also, this call is very unfair to nancy barr.We all know how Judy was,one moment she loved you and the next moment she hated you and than later loved you again.This was just one days feelings and doesnt tell the whole picture of what was going on.
goatdennis 1 year ago
Wayne was a bottom feeder and he added fuel to the fire of whatever went on and Poor Judy unaware of this recording is just criminal. Wayne should have gotten a good old A*ss Whipping.
NFitalianGuy 1 year ago
Just Nice.
82abnoff 1 year ago
Wayne Martin, what.a.shit.
Beckie1406 1 year ago 3
What an egotistical turd. "Uncle Wayne" indeed. If Judy truly had a "biggest fan", he/she wouldn't openly express it. Egging her on about the comments supposedly said by Nancy Barr (and then not even telling her what she said!) is a damn cheat. As for taping Judy without her knowledge, that pretty much speaks for itself; it's almost like voyeurism.
Negative comments aside, it is wonderful to have a recording of a relaxed, casual Judy. Thanks so much for sharing this.
romantic2543 2 years ago
Whom did she refer to as a "lousy, lesbian child"?
OldieMusicMan 2 years ago
@OldieMusicMan - Nancy Barr
mkrobinson95 2 years ago
@OldieMusicMan She was referring to Nancy Barr. And I love her description.
Jayee123 2 weeks ago
This is so typical. I've known of other situations where celebrities befriend the wrong type of fans. It's usually because those types of fans are the most pushy and not afraid to stick their nose into the celebrity's life without any regard for their privacy.
MusicalAtmosphere 2 years ago
"i wish i could father you all" what a flippin' creepy douch bag!
merdy111 2 years ago
To record anyone with her knowledge is a betrayal. He's a criminal. He set her up from the beginning.
grainofsandfan 2 years ago
Yes, I do agree with you that taping JUDY without her knowledge was a breech, however I still believe that he had her best interests at heart.
damone77 2 years ago
i think hes a sweet heart.
trying to help her clear her name and get her out of the poor house.
dannistretch101 2 years ago
Wayne Martin Is An Arsehole
StevieRayKnopfler 2 years ago 2
What can we say-it was Judy, thats all!
Valdol1 2 years ago
Wayne Martin is a twat,
he is creppy!!!!
Poor Judy!
helenajesstarzak 2 years ago 3
I guess if you've listened to all of Wayne's tapes, you would come away with a different impression. From listening to ALL the tapes, I come away with the impression that he was very good to Judy and visa versa.
damone77 2 years ago
Are you kidding, Damone? He would not defend JG when he heard Nancy Barr-Brandon (who is a VIPER) maligning her; he upset JG by telling her Nancy was telling nasty stories about her, but refused to give JG or Lorna Luft even a clue about what was said; and the WORST part of all, he was taping her w/o her knowledge, pretending to be her staunch friend and loyal supporter, and if you knew Miss Judy, you'd know she would have flipped if she knew that he was betraying her by secretly recording her!
mmdillons 2 years ago
@mmdillons Nancy Barr was a fan that Judy had an affair with. These types of affairs were very closeted then. My question -- did Nancy have an affair with Liza too?
lenahorneclub 1 year ago
@lenahorneclub Are you sure? I thought she was the president of her fan club.
windstorm1000 1 month ago
This freako is capable of anything. Blackmail, embezzlement, stalking, even maybe murder. He just sounds freaky. "Darling." "Judy, Judy" using hr name over and over so the recording will prove it's indeed her. Seriously, if Judy had been murdered by Wayne, these calls would sure fit the behavior of a killer stalker freak. Dangerous man, as well as underhanded and exploitive.
landerrules 2 years ago
Judy was such a wonderful person and funny and intelligent and charming. So many people took advantage of her and hung on because of her celebrity, like vultures they were and when we lost Judy we lost the most incredible talent ever and the likes of her will not be seen on this earth again.
Valdol1 2 years ago 2
I can't stand this guy...bringing Toto into it and all!
TheNepenther 2 years ago
Fuck this! Deceiving Dorothy like that!
TheNepenther 2 years ago 3
he likes the sound of his own voice doesn't he! I want to hear more of JUDY! not wayne.
tashlentine 2 years ago 2
does judy call nancy a lesbian at 1:10?? So judy slept with nancy?? and had a short affair with her?
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bowmister 2 years ago
i read on a comment that nancy barr had had affairs with judy and liza, and when she tried to sleep with lorna who was juast a teenager, judy made her leave! OMG, is this true?? i am a huge fan, and i just can't belive it! was it in the papers or anything?? i've also read alot of her biographys', and have never even heard of nancy barr, untill now? if anyone has any info about it, please fill me in!! thanks :)
merdy111 2 years ago
Nancy Barr Brandon has a website and is apparently the creator of Cat Assistance Network Inc. She has had a career as a celebrity photographer.
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Why can't he give any details about anything?
PlaidLaiden 3 years ago
Because he either made it up or just told these things to Mrs. Garland for his own sick mind. R.I.P Mrs. Garland - I love you.
WizardOfOzfan94 3 years ago 5
this guy just wants to start shit LAME
AndrewYBA 3 years ago
nancy barr is a closet les-wayne martin was a loser who was addicted to judy and used her-judy was an immature addict and these shits used her-wayne i=was a fat faggot and nancy a lesbian
liar
brilliggjohn 3 years ago
Nancy Barr mooched off of Judy and Liza for years. She was the lover of Margaret Whiting in her last years and claimed to have had affairs with Judy and Liza. When she tried to sleep with Lorna who was just a teenager, Judy cut her off completely.
JUDYLIZA 3 years ago
She even had the audacity of taking a photo of Judy on the toilet passed out and SOLD it through her "photo service". She had another lover by the name of Judie Bernstein who was scary!!! Pretty bad taste all around. She rescues animals. Poor animals!
JUDYLIZA 3 years ago
Margaret Whiting is still very much alive, although her husband Jack Wrangler just died.
natlewdai 2 years ago
This conversation would have taken place in 1968 - about one year before she passed away (not two years as shown on the video). He talked about Lorna performing at the Palace with her mother "last summer", which happened in 1967.
Is this guy still living?
RealPete 3 years ago
I was wondering the same thing
starrhiannon 3 years ago
alive yes
paulsimpson123 3 years ago
@RealPete No, he is dead.
Jayee123 2 weeks ago
what a sack of shit to tape and then release these phone calls..... judy may have been a 'nutcase' - but for sure she attracted the nutcase types
dirtyblondny 3 years ago
This shows exactly how much Judy lied in the last years of her life. Nancy is a friend of mine and everything that Judy says about her is wrong. Judy herself lived off Nancy and anyone else who would put up with her crap. I loved Judy Garland but she told lies and made up stories at the drop of a hat. I hate to say it but Judy was a nut case.
formermgmstar 3 years ago
I guess anyone on here could be a friend of anyone, lol. Metaphorically, I could be a long lost, estranged step sister of Liza from Judy's secret affair with Mickey Rooney, couldn't I?
No one knows the truth except Nancy and Judy, regardless of Judy's problems at the time.
In all due respect...
WitchyWonder 3 years ago
It might be in your best interest to realize that all of these people, Barr, Martin, etc. were hangers-on; they did make money off of Judy, and although Judy certainly had her problems, the "nutcases" were all around her and picking her bones clean. If Judy were such a nut and living off of them, why did they choose to stay in her life? Shame on all of them!
monroenorma 3 years ago
Nancy Barr is a bitch
ccarozzo75 3 years ago 4
Who is/was Nancy Barr?
rickhatch1 3 years ago
How amazing that Judy was so accessible to her fans. She suffered with these creeps like Wayne Martin who claimed he loved Judy and yet he taped her phone calls. She trusted this man with her private phone number. He's one creepy man. Nowadays the people who are "fans" are wacked. Wayne is wacked backed then. He also sounded he was out to get Judy to help him out financially. He kept throwing in his "situation" & maybe she would offer to help him out. What a BUM
NFitalianGuy 3 years ago 9
It IS shocking that he had the audacity to tape these calls . . . a friend does NOT do that . . . quite simply. How desperate was Mr. Martin at this point in time . . . poor taste -- for sure.
Montavanni 3 years ago 4
He kept getting her to confirm that the arrangement for the book, would be - an exclusive. That's probably why he's recording it. He sounds like a whimp, and probably shifty, no matter how much he loves her. Poor thing desperately needed money. I wonder if he ever got her any thru "his friends." At least her last companion cared for her. He was gay, but she didn't need sex at that point. And she left happy and not alone. See you in the Etheric World, Judy.
supersuperrich 3 years ago 3
isnt she so sweet and not one swear word from her and the way she speaks about lorna she was a true mother but sounds so lonely how sad it all was it makes you think if only we knew at the time ! why didnt her so called no1 fan help her i wonder how much money he has made from her over the years too ! very sad
paulsimpson123 3 years ago
Jesus Christ where has this come from!
xxxyorks 3 years ago
Nabcy Barr also ran the Liza Minnelli fan club in the 70's..She would sned you snapshots of Liza that she took in performance and off stage. If you wanted any, you kept the ones you wanted and
sent her a check. She had a monthly newsletter too.
talkinbroadway 3 years ago
he s a stirrer this bitch
shealways 3 years ago
Nancy Barr was a a quasi-paparazzi in the 60s who traded on candid images of Judy. Met her once & bought a few snaps. She also claimed to have had an affair w/ Judy, not impossible yet who knows? Wayne was a true blue friend & fan of Judy's for years. So cut him some slack.
I love listening to these- Judy sounds lucid, hopeful & respectful of Wayne & his devotion- far less offensive than the tragic tapes she made for an auto-bio that never happened.
swimgymnyc 3 years ago
Did Nancy Baar have an affair with judy Garland?
bowmister 3 years ago
@bowmister What an awful thought.
Jayee123 2 weeks ago
This dude is a loser, a wannabe.
bigdanoc 3 years ago 2
Agreed
FaTaTh 3 years ago
There is another recording in which Judy talks to Wayne about Valley of the Dolls and her involvment with the project. I have since lost this file but I am trying to get it back.
marilynfanonline 3 years ago
@marilynfanonline Omg i would die if u uploaded it! Thats my favorite movie!!
demigrl21 8 months ago
Where have I been? I didn't even know of these recordings! Where are they from? There can be no doubt that this is Judy,and boy it took forever going over the subject of Nancy Barr and all.I'm not so sure that Wayne was using Judy,mearly preserving something personal like this for Fans and Prosterity is wonderful interesting insightful and important from a historical view point.Are there any more I wonder? Thank you for posting all 3 parts,it's great to discover something new to me!
chunkylumps 3 years ago
Nancy Baar was a friend of Judy and Liza and it seemed that she too like Wayne was simply interested in using her.
Just was dating Tom Green at the time and it was this croud that were basically sponging off her at the time. Sad really.
marilynfanonline 3 years ago
@marilynfanonline I dont believe any of that Lesbian rumor B.S. regarding Judy Garland. This woman even in death still has to endure these Guttersnipes. Wayne Martin is the lowest form of life there is. It saddens me to hear Judy so sincere and this freak is trying to make a buck off Judy and deep down thinks she could help him out financially by hinting that he is in dire straights. The fat bum should've gotten himself a real a job .
NFitalianGuy 1 year ago
what were they talking about? who is Nancy?
mbraskute 3 years ago
what were they talking about? who is Nancy?
mbraskute 3 years ago