well I do believe this is a promo car...i remember a gt-r for the first motortrend test posted 11.5 sec. in the quarter mile, and in reality, the best I've seen is 11.8 these cars have something added to them that create that horsepower, I'd bet, but who the hell knows lol
It is 'rated' for 413HP at the crank. That means ~365 at the wheels. These guys here have a factory ringer that is 30HP over typical. 3RBRoach with 377RWHP is impressive too. Ford has underrated this motor somewhat.
I fucking love this mustang, ford did it right, this hits 60 in 4.2 seconds, get a tune, air intake, aftermarket exhaust, and maybe aftermarket tires, this could be a mid 3 second car with a good driver
@GTGTRR Well if you want to include super cars, the gloves are off! We can tune and bolt on and we are still not scared. I got two letters and a number for you. Z R 1.
@offroad03able 0.0 the Z06 is in about the same performance bracket but the Ford GT's better. in a way the Z06 is a cheap supercar.
about the ZR1, i said the Ford GTX1 which would whoop the ZR1 in my opinion...check the car out, should be a vid on here about it. top gear GTX1 and check out the specs =D
@smrtbeenr I don't have any of my dyno pulls for the ZO6 on video yet. I will have to do that when I have the cam installed and have it retuned this spring.
@cutator there are some freaks, apparently. Or badly calibrated dynos. I have heard of at least 2 more getting power like this one. I wonder if they are all from the same dyno shop, though. Mine got 377 best run bone stock with 2000 miles on it.
@cutator agreed I see no one has really commented I think that my car is very close to 3rbroach at or around 377 hp,
I came up with this after I laid down 462 HP and 399 ft lbs TQ
I have c&l CAI, Bama race tune, bbk LTH, and bbk off-road xpipe, resonator deleted and flowmaster axle-backs.
Since I had no stock baseline I start adding up the dyno runs for these parts and came up just short, however using 3rbroach baseline number it woudl be +- 1 hp within his baseline.
@Blackgam3r They might be adjusting the numbers for crank, not rwhp. 435 at the wheels would have to have some mods. With a CAI, tune, and exhaust guys are getting just over 400rwhp.
I question the legitimacy of those numbers unless that car is a factory freak. I've seen just about every dyno video their is of the 2011 GT's, they seem to average in the high 370's and well into the 380's.
@joshnc101 My max was 377.24HP, 359.4 Tq (Cold). Lowest was 371.88HP, 353.46Tq. (Hot).
Those numbers do sound really high. I wish mine was a freak like that! Maybe they opened the air box and had a better tune for it because Ford saw who the customer was? I believe Edmunds buys the cars they review then sells them. But I may be confusing them with another car reviewer. People are getting those numbers, but with a tune, CAI, and some with a less restrictive exhaust.
@3RBRoach well if that is at the wheels and if you add in atleast 15% for drivetrain loss it comes out to be 434 hp which is still 22hp more than what ford claims
@digiam42 No, HaleFire7 said "If this engine is decent, then what is the LS3" and I replied with "a pushrod piece of poo". I have an XR8 Falcon with a 5.4L modular in it, I know it doesn't have pushrods, I'm not retarded.
@atac03 And now for some reason chino hills ford that closed down months ago is re-opening! but the owner committed suicide. and now i can test drive another 5.0!
off course 70-94 5.0 are not the same as the 2011 5.0 i hope nobody is saying that it is it's a 20-30 year difference the fact is that they named them mustang and have the badges of a 5.0 every body should stop hating and be glad that the 5.0 is back and its kicking camaros and challengers ass period
@EvilxMerlin No thats a chassis dyno its definitley at the wheels. You fucking moron! Ford didn't under rate this motor they overrated it! You're a fucking idiot!
@rawdawg440 actually your wrong...ford underrated this motor by 20-30hp for insaurance purposes!! an to make the customers happy when the dyno'd it stock,everybody love's get'n more then what they paid for!!
@IxOVERKILLxI Ford has been underrating their motors for awhile now. Especially since the 99 Cobra bullshit where Ford said the motor produced like 320 and it was really only like 290.
@IxOVERKILLxI uhm power ratings are never exact. they depend on air tempature. elevation.and other factors. also horsepower is always rated at a certain rpm. if you rate your engine at a lower rpm than its peak power then you lower insurance cost. and it can do many other things such as keep you in a certain racing class. give it an advantage over other cars. ford aren't the only ones that have underrated an engine. mercury marine does it all the time with its outboards for racing.
The L99 V8 features VVT, AFM, a 10.4:1 Compression ratio and a lower lift cam. The L99 has heavier solid valves (the LS3 valves are lighter because they are sodium filled). THe L99 intake port size and shape are slightly different than the LS3. And the PCV system is different (oil separators in the valve covers vs the valleys in the LS3). So you want to keep going travdawg? I can keep making you look like a fucking idiot.
@EvilxMerlin that's what I wanted to hear from you. All the other crap you said was just that, CRAP. Had to do some research to back up your claim? Only took you a couple days.
Post any videos of your "cars" yet?
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Nope just checked, you still haven't. Still a poser.
Where is the proof that the cars in your videos are actually your cars? I think its either your father's car or possibly you've stolen them from the internet.
Well for one it's the same guy driving the White LT1 in various videos as in the Red Camaro SS. My dad's car? Please my dad drives trucks, he has two Duramax trucks for towing.
You can look for those videos anywhere else on youtube, the only ones you might find elsewhere are of the T/A vs the E55 AMG and an EVO and the blue LT1 vs the E55 AMG (that was ripped off by someone who can't spell Camaro).
You post a video of your "cars" and I'll post another one proving mine is the SS.
@EvilxMerlin I didn't drop it, I can admit when I'm wrong. Just wanted to make sure you were right because you knew what you're talking about and not just because you said so.
Difference is that I have videos my cars and my friend's cars as well. You have NO videos just claims.
Let me just explain something to all you noobs out there. This new 5.0l motor is aboslutely brand spanking new. It has absolutely NOTHING (aside from displacement) in common with the pushrod 5.0l motor that was in the 79-93 Fox Bodies and the 94-95 SN-95 Mustangs. It is a DOHC 4 valves per cylinder Coyote motor. And nothing from it, as far as I know, will even interchange with the previous 4.6l Modular engines. So anyone with a Fox Body comparing their car to this one is just plain retarded.
@HondaStangMan250x It doesn't even have displacement in common. The 2011 is now a true 5.0. The last one was just a hair under to be considered a real 5.0 and was actually a 4.9.
@HondaStangMan250x The 5.0L is essentially a slightly bored and stroked 4.6 Modular. It's got the 4.6 deck height, bore spacing, journal diameters, connecting rod length and it uses 3V cam journal diameters. Sure, the block and cylinder heads new castings and it got some trick new features, but this engine is a Modular, a thoroughly improved Modular, but a Modular nonetheless. It even runs down the assembly line using the existing 4.6 tooling at Essex.
im a chevy fan and i have to say the new mustang 2010-2011 is better than the camaro... id still rather have the camaro cuz mustangs are just way too common on the roads... u see a 2000-2004 mustang gt on the road and its lie, thats not special at all... even newer mustangs are just too common.... still for these couple years ahead ford has the upper hand, but just w8 3 or 4 years and chevy will be on top again. this battle is no dif than corvette vs viper.. just a see-saw going back and forth
@hellbound64 I, and everyone else here, appreciates your non-fanboy-ism and objective thinking. I agree with most of what you say. Whether your a Camaro or Mustang guy you should be happy because this is healthy competition at it's best.
My 1986 5.0 mustang ran 11.91 in the quarter with 298rwhp because I did lots of weight reduction,and when i finally turboed it it went 10.86 with 8psi and a typhoon intake manifold.So for all of you people out there who don't know alot about 5.0's,if you know what to do to one they really do have lots of potential.
here is the question...did this test use 5th gear (its a 6spd) because 5th is the more 1 to 1 ratio (like 4th in the 5spd) or did you guys use 4th? Because we got a different result using the correct 1 to 1 5th gear and it was 365hp 349ftlbs torq.......
wow your smart. it's a MANUAL 6SPEED! M6 for short. at least take the time to readso you can appreciate cars dude for real. I'm confident in my skill of driving a M6. Not since the late 80's -early 90's mustang were decent. I actually like those. and I know what's in them to. being overbuilt doesnt mean nothing.
@kingbambino22 unless your camaro is modified, the 5.0 will destroy you. Its everywhere in youtube. no way youre stock cam will outrun the legendary beast.
@thetravdawg are you that stupid. havent you seen ALL the vids in youtube. The camaro doesent even come close to the legendary 5.0, no point in arguing
@kryptonek88 looks like the stupidity is ALL on your side of the table. The 5.0 in the 2011 Mustang is NOTHING like the 5.0 in the previous generation Mustang.
Firstly the 2011 5.0 is DOHC and the old 5.0 is a single cam PUSHROD. The ONLY similarity is the displacement. How can the new 5.0 be legendary if it's brand spanking new? Easy, it can't.
I have seen videos on youtube and the Camaro has a driver's chance against a great car made to beat the Camaro.
@thetravdawg are we even on the same video. When the fuck did i mention the oldie mustangs. Are you HIGH? The video talks about the 2011 FORD MUSTANG 5.0 I fucking know that there is no similarity between the old ones and the new ones. Now they have interviewed the guys from ford, and they purposely put 5.0 displacement they could have done the same with the 4.6 but they chose a number that represents more. Kinda like if they bring back the z28 or z87 idfk, with a new engine. its still legendery
@EvilxMerlin That's like saying the LS2/LS3 is not new because it's based on the LS1. It's a pushrod so no engine can be new since their based on similar technology?
The Coyote is based on the DOHC 4v per cylinder technology not the "engines" themselves so yes the engine is brand spanking new based on improved existing technology. Still new bud.
Technically the LS2 and LS3 are not all new engines, they are upgraded and updated Generation III's, of which the LS1 was a part of. Provent technology, in a new package. The Coyote is a bored-and-stroked version of the all-aluminum, overhead-cam 4.6-liter Modular V8.
The Coyota is not a bored and stroked 4.6. Its an entirely different block than the 4.6. I'm pretty sure even the internals between a 4.6 and the new Coyote 5.0 will not interchange, but I'm not 100% on that. The the block, the oil pan, the motor mounts, the heads, the water pump, the intake manifold, the throttle body, the cams, the valves, the exhaust manifolds, EVERYTHING is exclusive to the Coyote.
The Coyote is not a bored and stroked 4.6. Its an entirely different block than the 4.6. I'm pretty sure even the internals between a 4.6 and the new Coyote 5.0 will not interchange, but I'm not 100% on that. The the block, the oil pan, the motor mounts, the heads, the water pump, the intake manifold, the throttle body, the cams, the valves, the exhaust manifolds, EVERYTHING is exclusive to the Coyote.
I thought this was about "2011Mustang" not 03-04. Any vehicle with a supercharger should run 12's! That's why Ford put one on there cause the engine sucked. You must be a pony guy cause you being so sensitive. The fact is that since the late 80's-early 90's, mustang were slow and imports were out running them. Like I said imports don't be gunning for Camaro's! Oh I am Camaro bias but I'm glad the 5.0 is back. I own a 2010 Camaro SS M6 and unless the pony is modify it won't beat me in a race!
@kingbambino22 what is a M6 and what makes you so confident? and now your telling me the 5.0 of the late 80's and early 90's was slow but it is credited with bringing back american performance? And how can the engine in the 03-04 cobra suck when it was overbuilt and can handle up to 800hp out of the factory? what other car close to it can claim that?
@kingbambino22 hmm... last i checked the 03-04 cobra and the 2011 5.0 runs 12's please do tell me what 350z or honda runs 12's out of the factory? also the 05-10 mustangs are 13 second cars what honda runs that? and what 350z can do better than that much less run mid 13's? the 03-04 mach1 runs low 13's what what honda or 350z can run run low 13's better yet mid 13's? the 99-04 gt runs 14 flat what honda runs a 14 flat out of the factory?
Not to start anything because I'm not honda fanboy (I used to own a Mustang 5.0L) but a friend of mine used to have a 2003 Honda NSX and he ran 12.89 @ 109mph bone stock. That was his best run. The car usually ran around 13s flat (13.0-13.2).
power to weight idiots. 2011 mustang gt 36xx and 412. 2010 camaro ss 38xx and 426. do the math. Who should win? Thank GM for making Ford produce the 5.0 again. The mstang needed someting cause imports were spanking that ass LMAO!
2000 cobra -r 395 hp 12-90 qrtr 2004 cobra svt 420 hp 12.40 best time with pro driver GT500 is overpriced junk not even worth mentioning it wont beat a 04 cobra with a set of flowmasters and a gear swap . i know because ive seen it at the track. now if we could only make something that beats a stock vette . i love stangs but it sucks to get beat by vettes all day
if you dont think Ford sandbags your crazy , anyone remember the " 390 hp " supercharged 4.6 Cobras . they were 420 hp not 390 and it ran on average around 12.50 qrtr mi times . they were the fastest production mustangs ever . look up 04 cobra
@wolverinemma I do remember the 1999 SVT Slobra rated at 320hp that was overrated and caused there to not be a Cobra in 2000 (besides the CobraR which is a totally different engine).
Looks like Ford learned their lesson about underrating being better. =)
went to the race track at Moroso friday night . a guy ran a 12.88 everyone was asking what he did to it he said he put a set of Dynomax mufflers. he said he wants to swap the gears out but said Ford prices are too ridiculous right now .
camaro with stock 341 ratio according to road and track ran a 13 flat the mustang with a 331 stock gear ratio ran a 13.2 now if the mustang had the same gear ratio of a camaro wich is a 341 than they would have been dead even in witch would make it a drivers race heck its still a drivers race in witch ever way you want to look at it rather your a ford fan or a chevy fan but now as far as tunning goe's yes you can get way more power out of this new 302 engine then compared to the ls engines
this is a lie guys and im a ford fan i have the new august issue of the 5.0 mag this car makes 366 on the dyno with a 4th gear pull 355 with a 5th gear pull the new ss camaro makes 374 but i dont know what gear pull that was though probely 4th i would guess but with the weight diffrence between the 2 cars i would say that makes them equel in my book even with both having same gear ratio's in wich i explain on the next comment
@lions66666 i just watched three dyno videos of the 2010 camaro ss and 2011 mustang 5.0 and the mustang posted better dyno numbers in all three videos and you did not read the whole article on the 2011 mustang in 5.0 magazine. On page 50 look under 4th gear pull they got 381hp at 6,698rmp and what you are reffering to they got 366hp at 6,700rpm on the 5th gear pull. Please go back and read it for yourself its in bold white print in the dyno chart.
it there is a 11% estimated power loss through the drive train......the car is actually putting something close to 430+ at the crank if it is putting out 395 rwhp.....looks like ford isnt planning on making another costly recall mistake lol...
390 rwhp...thats about 450+ crank,that menas ford underrated this car by 35-45 hp..not bad,chevy boys gonna be pist,an it's 2-300 lbs lighter then the camaro ss!!
Some of you youngsters might not remember this, but when Dodge introduced the first Viper, everybody was completely blown away that it had 400 hp. FOUR HUNDRED!!! Now look at what we've got. These might be the glory days, kids. Live it up.
@ginsunh I'm a Ford fanatic but I do remember the 1st Viper, I felt alittle betrayed due to the strong 60s Ford Daytona hints and the mix of almost every Iconic road racer from the 50s to the 70s... It was a great looking Automobile and a very strong performer.. For me, the Viper tied together the great heritage of American Road Racing and raised the standard for American sports cars and enticed the competitors to up the ante. In my opinion, the Viper was the 1st American retro design... period
@ESPsandEmgs and EvilxMerlin need to knock it off, I have read most of your comments on multiple post and I understand your frustrations with the other side. I hate GM because it has been ingrained in me since the mid 80s.. I was one of the many Mustang owners that petitioned to GM in late 2001 to rethink their marketing decision. ESPsandEmgs is a smart man, and a loyal consumer, he will triple check your statements when you post. We don't want another 2002 nor does Ford...
@ESPsandEmgs cont... this is why Ford match GM this year instead of just making a Ford "Viper" and was beating by their own design. Fact is, These cars are pushing the American Sports Cars out of production. GM, is in a unique position with the Vette and the Camaro. Calling each other bullshit names isn't helping anyone.. I read (both) your post and cross reference as needed. bring the knowledge, by all means, keep the fire going but without one you won't have the other.
@ESPsandEmgs each of you have extreme enthusiasm for your chosen model, now you understand Steve Saleen's decision to help re-create Fords competition and improve sales across both companies. Both are on the up and up, Like ginsunh said below our post, live it up....
I appreciate your comments. But I think trying to have an intelligent conversation with EvilxMerlin is the equivalent of talking to a WALL. I will not deny the fact that there are smart people on both sides of the line, but there are also some REALLY stupid assholes! And all this stupid asshole wants to do, is make shit up, and argue over meaningless bullshit. BTW if you check his page, you will see that he really is, an IGNORANT HILLBILLY!
Yep, a wall, You are the one who can't understand that the 2011 Mustang GT is simply faster, less expensive, more manuverable, better handling and better reviewed than the Camaro.
Again, why is it you are the one who can't understand that the 2011 Mustang GT is simply faster, less expensive, more manuverable, better handling and better reviewed than the Camaro? Simple question.
@EvilxMerlin oh is that what they are called? You're the moron, you didn't specify in your comment whether it was base price or not. So what you're saying is the Mustang 5.0 needs options to keep up/pass the Camaro SS?
You do realize the base model GT can beat either of the 2010 (and 2011) Camaro's right? Unlike GM, Ford doesn't have to have two motors to hit the EPA gas milage rules. Jebus, GM fanbois really are idiots.
@EvilxMerlin two different engines? You mean the one mated to the manual tuned to 426hp and the same engine mated to the auto tuned to 400hp? That would be the same engine tuned differently to two different transmissions.
The Mustang 5.0's sole advantage lies in being lighter than the Camaro. Finally an M6/A6 trans. Too bad Gm made the Camaro so heavy, would have been a better motor to motor showcase.
A fanboi is someone who does not own a similar car, check my videos. You are the fanboi.
@EvilxMerlin jackass? They both have the same displacement, bore/stroke the only difference is the hp rating and the trans their connected to. What's the difference?
"POWER" = hp/torque. The Camaro torque = 420 lb/ft vs Mustang = best rated "unofficial" 409 lb/ft. So no the Mustang does not make more "power" and the Camaro has a broader power/torque range with the additional displacement.
I say again, the Mustang is lighter and that is why it "handles" better. What do you drive again fanboi?
Um, no there is quite a bit of difference. Educate yourself. You are looking more and more like an ass.
The Ford motor still makes more power. It does 409 lb/ft with 5.0L of displacement, it takes the 6.2L of the LS3 to hit 420... do the fucking math. Of course that would exclude the L99 engine.
What do I drive? Daily driver is either my 2011 Mustang GT or my 2007 Jeep Wrangler, track car is my 2011 GT500. I sold my 2010 Camaro SS to buy the 2011 GT.
LOL-see video: '11 Challenger SRT8 392 Dyno - Stock
SOFSoldier1 3 weeks ago
for some reason the first ones all had 390hp. now they have 365.
paladain55 6 months ago
well I do believe this is a promo car...i remember a gt-r for the first motortrend test posted 11.5 sec. in the quarter mile, and in reality, the best I've seen is 11.8 these cars have something added to them that create that horsepower, I'd bet, but who the hell knows lol
suprattkk 6 months ago
@suprattkk optional gearing..
Texarmageddon 6 months ago
It is 'rated' for 413HP at the crank. That means ~365 at the wheels. These guys here have a factory ringer that is 30HP over typical. 3RBRoach with 377RWHP is impressive too. Ford has underrated this motor somewhat.
Scrimmer08 8 months ago
@Scrimmer08 446hp at crank
1962Galaxie514ciMPFI 4 months ago
I fucking love this mustang, ford did it right, this hits 60 in 4.2 seconds, get a tune, air intake, aftermarket exhaust, and maybe aftermarket tires, this could be a mid 3 second car with a good driver
xxxELITE12 9 months ago
Thats better than a stock terminator.
LMBC6Brian 9 months ago
I saw Chuck Norris generate 900 pounding feet of torque on his bicycle on a Dyno machine. My first and last Chuck Norris comment.
AdamsJoshua85 9 months ago 2
with my math if you factor in 15% drive train loss that 464hp at the crank
razz339 11 months ago
Hey for the first itme in what, 30 years ford built a faster car than Chevy. Even a blind squirrel gets a nut once in a while.
offroad03able 1 year ago
@offroad03able lololol! erm erm! Ford GT and GTX1...boss!
GTGTRR 1 year ago
@GTGTRR Well if you want to include super cars, the gloves are off! We can tune and bolt on and we are still not scared. I got two letters and a number for you. Z R 1.
offroad03able 1 year ago
@offroad03able 0.0 the Z06 is in about the same performance bracket but the Ford GT's better. in a way the Z06 is a cheap supercar.
about the ZR1, i said the Ford GTX1 which would whoop the ZR1 in my opinion...check the car out, should be a vid on here about it. top gear GTX1 and check out the specs =D
GTGTRR 1 year ago
I'm still waiting for my Code Red Shelby Mustang and also $100,000.00 plus to get it.
yeomanrycavalry 1 year ago
@yeomanrycavalry waste of money, I eat shelbys with my 80,000 ZO6.
offroad03able 1 year ago
@yeomanrycavalry You should just buy the ZR1, it is a much better car.
offroad03able 1 year ago
I keep seeing different numbers. Most of the 5.0 are around 368 to 377. I watched them Dyno two of them at a tuner and both came in around 370.
This is claiming 395?
cutator 1 year ago
@cutator The one on motortrend did like 435 so. Who knows.
250honda 1 year ago
@250honda Air temp and humidity play a big part in it. My Z06 on a hot humid day does 477 and on a cooler day with less humidity it pulls 500.
offroad03able 1 year ago
@offroad03able Do you have a video of this?
smrtbeenr 10 months ago
@smrtbeenr I don't have any of my dyno pulls for the ZO6 on video yet. I will have to do that when I have the cam installed and have it retuned this spring.
offroad03able 10 months ago
@offroad03able Awesome!
smrtbeenr 10 months ago
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3RBRoach 9 months ago
@cutator there are some freaks, apparently. Or badly calibrated dynos. I have heard of at least 2 more getting power like this one. I wonder if they are all from the same dyno shop, though. Mine got 377 best run bone stock with 2000 miles on it.
3RBRoach 9 months ago
@3RBRoach I agree, no two dyno's are same.
cutator 8 months ago
@cutator agreed I see no one has really commented I think that my car is very close to 3rbroach at or around 377 hp,
I came up with this after I laid down 462 HP and 399 ft lbs TQ
I have c&l CAI, Bama race tune, bbk LTH, and bbk off-road xpipe, resonator deleted and flowmaster axle-backs.
Since I had no stock baseline I start adding up the dyno runs for these parts and came up just short, however using 3rbroach baseline number it woudl be +- 1 hp within his baseline.
TheMustangStampede 6 months ago
@TheMustangStampede The base line I choose to start out with was 360hp I have seen tons and tons of videos of stock car putting down 360rwhp
TheMustangStampede 6 months ago
@TheMustangStampede That makes sense. LT's and Resonator Deleted.... Bet it's loud....
cutator 5 months ago
ok this must not b 2011 cuz ever dino test on every other video like motor trend shows 435hp and even the car is rated at 412hp so this video is bull
BigDaddyLoveJuice 1 year ago
@BigDaddyLoveJuice Its 395hp at the wheels so that is about 440 - 450hp at the flywheel.
woldwar11 1 year ago 7
@BigDaddyLoveJuice no it could of been a hot day, or they could be at a higher elevation, or there could be some other cause for it
dbratboy92 1 year ago
@BigDaddyLoveJuice that's probably the engine dyno, not a wheel dyno.
smrtbeenr 10 months ago
Motor Trend squeezed 435hp and 404 ft/lbs. All of the dyno numbers I see seem random. :P
Blackgam3r 1 year ago
@Blackgam3r They might be adjusting the numbers for crank, not rwhp. 435 at the wheels would have to have some mods. With a CAI, tune, and exhaust guys are getting just over 400rwhp.
3RBRoach 9 months ago
I question the legitimacy of those numbers unless that car is a factory freak. I've seen just about every dyno video their is of the 2011 GT's, they seem to average in the high 370's and well into the 380's.
joshnc101 1 year ago
@joshnc101 My max was 377.24HP, 359.4 Tq (Cold). Lowest was 371.88HP, 353.46Tq. (Hot).
Those numbers do sound really high. I wish mine was a freak like that! Maybe they opened the air box and had a better tune for it because Ford saw who the customer was? I believe Edmunds buys the cars they review then sells them. But I may be confusing them with another car reviewer. People are getting those numbers, but with a tune, CAI, and some with a less restrictive exhaust.
3RBRoach 1 year ago
@3RBRoach well if that is at the wheels and if you add in atleast 15% for drivetrain loss it comes out to be 434 hp which is still 22hp more than what ford claims
jwb0173 1 year ago
@jwb0173 You better work on that math there, buddy. Just ball park estimating I think it loses around 65 hp, not 40.
smrtbeenr 10 months ago
Proven platform for gobs of power, hopefully the new 5.0 will be too, time will tell.
71vegaracer 1 year ago
Oh yea, I forgot, if 4 cams made power, top fuel would do it.... Even if only 4 one pass...
71vegaracer 1 year ago
@71vegaracer The old hemi is around because those blocks can hold several thousand hp. Not because the pushrod engine is a better design.
smrtbeenr 10 months ago
It took long enough for ford to build "decent" motor N/A, finally take a note from ls motors, but still messin around w 4 cams, dumb.....
71vegaracer 1 year ago
If the 5.0 is decent, what is the LS3?
HaleFire7 1 year ago
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XR8xSHOCKWAVE 1 year ago
@HaleFire7 a pushrod piece of poo
XR8xSHOCKWAVE 1 year ago
@XR8xSHOCKWAVE Your a complete dumbass if you think this engine has pushrods in it. Ford hasnt built a pushrod engine in years
digiam42 1 year ago
@digiam42 No, HaleFire7 said "If this engine is decent, then what is the LS3" and I replied with "a pushrod piece of poo". I have an XR8 Falcon with a 5.4L modular in it, I know it doesn't have pushrods, I'm not retarded.
XR8xSHOCKWAVE 1 year ago
@71vegaracer And they did it without a government bailout. I give em props.
atac03 1 year ago 19
@atac03 And now for some reason chino hills ford that closed down months ago is re-opening! but the owner committed suicide. and now i can test drive another 5.0!
wonderbreadkw 1 year ago
off course 70-94 5.0 are not the same as the 2011 5.0 i hope nobody is saying that it is it's a 20-30 year difference the fact is that they named them mustang and have the badges of a 5.0 every body should stop hating and be glad that the 5.0 is back and its kicking camaros and challengers ass period
bagle21 1 year ago
this was probably in 4th gear, just too high to be stock no disrespect i have one myself
jcmknl2005 1 year ago
EvilMerlin and Rawdawg --- you're both saying the same thing LOL
TheArfdog 1 year ago
Ok, retards. 412 HP at the crankshaft, 396 HP at the wheels. That's it. Know your cars before you try to defend something you don't know shit about.
BlowMe719 1 year ago
cool,i think all new muscle cars are pretty much equal.thats what makes it so fun to watch them race or compete..my opinion though....
slapnutzful 1 year ago
who cares about the HP...its rapes all the other muscle cars thats all that matters.
DevPack 1 year ago
@DevPack i'm not sure if the HP makes a difference in a race...
jeffzahnd 1 year ago
@jeffzahnd it always makes a difference.
DevPack 1 year ago
@DevPack but who cares about HP , when it rapes all the other muscle cars. :p
jeffzahnd 1 year ago
@jeffzahnd exactly lol
DevPack 1 year ago
No you idiot, I was saying its about 435-450 crank. Get with the picture moron.
EvilxMerlin 1 year ago
Are these figures from the wheels or the crank? If it's the latter, that is a ridiculous amount of power
mysticblade35 1 year ago
@mysticblade35
Crank.
EvilxMerlin 1 year ago
@EvilxMerlin Those numbers are from the wheels
rawdawg440 1 year ago
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EvilxMerlin 1 year ago
@EvilxMerlin No thats a chassis dyno its definitley at the wheels. You fucking moron! Ford didn't under rate this motor they overrated it! You're a fucking idiot!
rawdawg440 1 year ago
@rawdawg440
396 RWHP idiot, means that the car is putting down a lot more than the 412 CRANK HP Ford is claiming.
Fucking idiot. Do the math, its easy to find the drive train loss of the transmission and drive shaft and rear gearing.
Holy fuck man.
EvilxMerlin 1 year ago
@EvilxMerlin Yes you're right. So why are you saying the 396 is at the crank? You my friend are a fucking retard!!!!
rawdawg440 1 year ago
@rawdawg440 actually your wrong...ford underrated this motor by 20-30hp for insaurance purposes!! an to make the customers happy when the dyno'd it stock,everybody love's get'n more then what they paid for!!
zekenc 1 year ago
@zekenc yeah, because I can count the number of customers that dyno their cars stock........
jeffzahnd 1 year ago
@jeffzahnd AND??
zekenc 1 year ago
@mysticblade35 Wheels
rawdawg440 1 year ago
ford lies, they say 412 to the motor, but 395 to the wheels means a little over 450 to the motor,
IxOVERKILLxI 1 year ago
@IxOVERKILLxI Ford has been underrating their motors for awhile now. Especially since the 99 Cobra bullshit where Ford said the motor produced like 320 and it was really only like 290.
rawdawg440 1 year ago
@rawdawg440 yea but their new mustang pushing 40 more hp than they say is cheap, fords word=412 really has=450, wow ford
IxOVERKILLxI 1 year ago
@IxOVERKILLxI uhm power ratings are never exact. they depend on air tempature. elevation.and other factors. also horsepower is always rated at a certain rpm. if you rate your engine at a lower rpm than its peak power then you lower insurance cost. and it can do many other things such as keep you in a certain racing class. give it an advantage over other cars. ford aren't the only ones that have underrated an engine. mercury marine does it all the time with its outboards for racing.
dbratboy92 1 year ago
And just because thetravdawg is a moron...
The L99 V8 features VVT, AFM, a 10.4:1 Compression ratio and a lower lift cam. The L99 has heavier solid valves (the LS3 valves are lighter because they are sodium filled). THe L99 intake port size and shape are slightly different than the LS3. And the PCV system is different (oil separators in the valve covers vs the valleys in the LS3). So you want to keep going travdawg? I can keep making you look like a fucking idiot.
EvilxMerlin 1 year ago
@EvilxMerlin that's what I wanted to hear from you. All the other crap you said was just that, CRAP. Had to do some research to back up your claim? Only took you a couple days.
Post any videos of your "cars" yet?
...
Nope just checked, you still haven't. Still a poser.
thetravdawg 1 year ago
@thetravdawg
Where is the proof that the cars in your videos are actually your cars? I think its either your father's car or possibly you've stolen them from the internet.
EvilxMerlin 1 year ago
@EvilxMerlin
Well for one it's the same guy driving the White LT1 in various videos as in the Red Camaro SS. My dad's car? Please my dad drives trucks, he has two Duramax trucks for towing.
You can look for those videos anywhere else on youtube, the only ones you might find elsewhere are of the T/A vs the E55 AMG and an EVO and the blue LT1 vs the E55 AMG (that was ripped off by someone who can't spell Camaro).
You post a video of your "cars" and I'll post another one proving mine is the SS.
thetravdawg 1 year ago
@thetravdawg
I notice you are suddenly dropping the fact that you claimed the LS3 and the L99 were the same engines.
So what if you have video's of cars, anyone can make videos of any car.
EvilxMerlin 1 year ago
@EvilxMerlin I didn't drop it, I can admit when I'm wrong. Just wanted to make sure you were right because you knew what you're talking about and not just because you said so.
Difference is that I have videos my cars and my friend's cars as well. You have NO videos just claims.
thetravdawg 1 year ago
@thetravdawg
Because I don't have a need to show off my cars.
EvilxMerlin 1 year ago
@EvilxMerlin
correction:
can't show off what you don't have.
thetravdawg 1 year ago
Another 2011 GT was Dyno'd at 430HP. Maybe your dyno is sticky.
Hesam0000 1 year ago
@Hesam0000 At the crank.
rawdawg440 1 year ago
What?395 hp? but in another vid on youtube they say 435!!Strange , so strange!!
fufuIV 1 year ago
@fufuIV
You do know the difference between RWHP and crank HP right?
EvilxMerlin 1 year ago
I just spent 30mins reading all the comments of these people argueing...
07Z06ss 1 year ago
i love lamp
svtmatt 1 year ago
Let me just explain something to all you noobs out there. This new 5.0l motor is aboslutely brand spanking new. It has absolutely NOTHING (aside from displacement) in common with the pushrod 5.0l motor that was in the 79-93 Fox Bodies and the 94-95 SN-95 Mustangs. It is a DOHC 4 valves per cylinder Coyote motor. And nothing from it, as far as I know, will even interchange with the previous 4.6l Modular engines. So anyone with a Fox Body comparing their car to this one is just plain retarded.
HondaStangMan250x 1 year ago 22
@HondaStangMan250x It doesn't even have displacement in common. The 2011 is now a true 5.0. The last one was just a hair under to be considered a real 5.0 and was actually a 4.9.
ShamusOGrady2 1 year ago
@HondaStangMan250x The 5.0L is essentially a slightly bored and stroked 4.6 Modular. It's got the 4.6 deck height, bore spacing, journal diameters, connecting rod length and it uses 3V cam journal diameters. Sure, the block and cylinder heads new castings and it got some trick new features, but this engine is a Modular, a thoroughly improved Modular, but a Modular nonetheless. It even runs down the assembly line using the existing 4.6 tooling at Essex.
LieKiller 1 year ago
poop
brandond707 1 year ago
im a chevy fan and i have to say the new mustang 2010-2011 is better than the camaro... id still rather have the camaro cuz mustangs are just way too common on the roads... u see a 2000-2004 mustang gt on the road and its lie, thats not special at all... even newer mustangs are just too common.... still for these couple years ahead ford has the upper hand, but just w8 3 or 4 years and chevy will be on top again. this battle is no dif than corvette vs viper.. just a see-saw going back and forth
hellbound64 1 year ago
@hellbound64 I, and everyone else here, appreciates your non-fanboy-ism and objective thinking. I agree with most of what you say. Whether your a Camaro or Mustang guy you should be happy because this is healthy competition at it's best.
Dennissays 1 year ago
I know you wouldn't say that to my face.
TheDartblockstang 1 year ago
My 1986 5.0 mustang ran 11.91 in the quarter with 298rwhp because I did lots of weight reduction,and when i finally turboed it it went 10.86 with 8psi and a typhoon intake manifold.So for all of you people out there who don't know alot about 5.0's,if you know what to do to one they really do have lots of potential.
TheDartblockstang 1 year ago
@TheDartblockstang ummmmm this motor has not a single part in the motor that your 1986 mustang has. dumb fuck
25evets 1 year ago
here is the question...did this test use 5th gear (its a 6spd) because 5th is the more 1 to 1 ratio (like 4th in the 5spd) or did you guys use 4th? Because we got a different result using the correct 1 to 1 5th gear and it was 365hp 349ftlbs torq.......
dalemllns 1 year ago
If I was a small block Chevy Id be scared.
Godznrg4u 1 year ago 5
@Godznrg4u that's because your are a fool
Blootster 1 year ago
@Godznrg4u the only problem with that, is that small block chevy's have SUCH a reputation, man. beast motors. this new 5.0 seems promising though
coolcono100 1 year ago
Is It 395Rwhp And Just 395Hp And 365Rwtq Are Just 365Tq...
SUPERBADKBOY 1 year ago
wow your smart. it's a MANUAL 6SPEED! M6 for short. at least take the time to readso you can appreciate cars dude for real. I'm confident in my skill of driving a M6. Not since the late 80's -early 90's mustang were decent. I actually like those. and I know what's in them to. being overbuilt doesnt mean nothing.
kingbambino22 1 year ago
@kingbambino22 I would say 6M and 6A but thats just me...
thepill1978 1 year ago
@kingbambino22 unless your camaro is modified, the 5.0 will destroy you. Its everywhere in youtube. no way youre stock cam will outrun the legendary beast.
kryptonek88 1 year ago
@kryptonek88 destroy? How exactly does it destroy when both cars trap the same? 110-111mph?
Go back to your V6 Mustang you fanboy.
thetravdawg 1 year ago
@thetravdawg are you that stupid. havent you seen ALL the vids in youtube. The camaro doesent even come close to the legendary 5.0, no point in arguing
kryptonek88 1 year ago
@kryptonek88 looks like the stupidity is ALL on your side of the table. The 5.0 in the 2011 Mustang is NOTHING like the 5.0 in the previous generation Mustang.
Firstly the 2011 5.0 is DOHC and the old 5.0 is a single cam PUSHROD. The ONLY similarity is the displacement. How can the new 5.0 be legendary if it's brand spanking new? Easy, it can't.
I have seen videos on youtube and the Camaro has a driver's chance against a great car made to beat the Camaro.
thetravdawg 1 year ago
@thetravdawg are we even on the same video. When the fuck did i mention the oldie mustangs. Are you HIGH? The video talks about the 2011 FORD MUSTANG 5.0 I fucking know that there is no similarity between the old ones and the new ones. Now they have interviewed the guys from ford, and they purposely put 5.0 displacement they could have done the same with the 4.6 but they chose a number that represents more. Kinda like if they bring back the z28 or z87 idfk, with a new engine. its still legendery
kryptonek88 1 year ago
@thetravdawg YOU MY FRIEND ARE THE SON OF STUPIDITY AND IGNORANCE, go back to wasting youre check in a car that will never be worth it.
kryptonek88 1 year ago
@kryptonek88 there's no way we could share the same father, I know who mine is so that makes you exclusively the son of stupidity.
You're talking to me about a worthless car when you drive a v6 Rustang? Please your car is not even worth the gas I put in my 1999 Camaro SS.
The Mustang is indeed legendary but the motor itself is brand new so saying the "engine" is legendary is a fallacy.
thetravdawg 1 year ago
@thetravdawg hahaha lol virgins
kryptonek88 1 year ago
@kryptonek88 the virgin is more likely to be you as you drive a chick car, only thing you're missing is the convertible top.
thetravdawg 1 year ago
@thetravdawg lol
redd7188 1 year ago
@thetravdawg
Actually the engine really isn't "Brand new". Its still based on the very tried and true Modular...
EvilxMerlin 1 year ago
@EvilxMerlin That's like saying the LS2/LS3 is not new because it's based on the LS1. It's a pushrod so no engine can be new since their based on similar technology?
The Coyote is based on the DOHC 4v per cylinder technology not the "engines" themselves so yes the engine is brand spanking new based on improved existing technology. Still new bud.
thetravdawg 1 year ago
@thetravdawg
Technically the LS2 and LS3 are not all new engines, they are upgraded and updated Generation III's, of which the LS1 was a part of. Provent technology, in a new package. The Coyote is a bored-and-stroked version of the all-aluminum, overhead-cam 4.6-liter Modular V8.
EvilxMerlin 1 year ago
@EvilxMerlin
The Coyota is not a bored and stroked 4.6. Its an entirely different block than the 4.6. I'm pretty sure even the internals between a 4.6 and the new Coyote 5.0 will not interchange, but I'm not 100% on that. The the block, the oil pan, the motor mounts, the heads, the water pump, the intake manifold, the throttle body, the cams, the valves, the exhaust manifolds, EVERYTHING is exclusive to the Coyote.
HondaStangMan250x 1 year ago
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@EvilxMerlin
The Coyote is not a bored and stroked 4.6. Its an entirely different block than the 4.6. I'm pretty sure even the internals between a 4.6 and the new Coyote 5.0 will not interchange, but I'm not 100% on that. The the block, the oil pan, the motor mounts, the heads, the water pump, the intake manifold, the throttle body, the cams, the valves, the exhaust manifolds, EVERYTHING is exclusive to the Coyote.
HondaStangMan250x 1 year ago
I thought this was about "2011Mustang" not 03-04. Any vehicle with a supercharger should run 12's! That's why Ford put one on there cause the engine sucked. You must be a pony guy cause you being so sensitive. The fact is that since the late 80's-early 90's, mustang were slow and imports were out running them. Like I said imports don't be gunning for Camaro's! Oh I am Camaro bias but I'm glad the 5.0 is back. I own a 2010 Camaro SS M6 and unless the pony is modify it won't beat me in a race!
kingbambino22 1 year ago
@kingbambino22 what is a M6 and what makes you so confident? and now your telling me the 5.0 of the late 80's and early 90's was slow but it is credited with bringing back american performance? And how can the engine in the 03-04 cobra suck when it was overbuilt and can handle up to 800hp out of the factory? what other car close to it can claim that?
redd7188 1 year ago
@kingbambino22
Interesting Camaro and Transam vanished for while the same apply for the Super bee and Charger from Chrysler The Mustang keep going ???
Maybe it's because Ford know how to build a CAR
denisRBlais 1 year ago 2
@kingbambino22 the 03-04 terminator cobra could easily rape your car.
Austink1992 1 year ago
pick one. 350Z all hondas lol. I dont see imports gunning Camaro's! my buddy has a honda prelude and can't wait to catch a GT Mustang to burn lmao.
kingbambino22 1 year ago
@kingbambino22 hmm... last i checked the 03-04 cobra and the 2011 5.0 runs 12's please do tell me what 350z or honda runs 12's out of the factory? also the 05-10 mustangs are 13 second cars what honda runs that? and what 350z can do better than that much less run mid 13's? the 03-04 mach1 runs low 13's what what honda or 350z can run run low 13's better yet mid 13's? the 99-04 gt runs 14 flat what honda runs a 14 flat out of the factory?
redd7188 1 year ago
@redd7188
Not to start anything because I'm not honda fanboy (I used to own a Mustang 5.0L) but a friend of mine used to have a 2003 Honda NSX and he ran 12.89 @ 109mph bone stock. That was his best run. The car usually ran around 13s flat (13.0-13.2).
Just saying...
QuickSiR 1 year ago
@QuickSiR thats cool but i thought acura made the nsx
redd7188 1 year ago
@QuickSiR also u gotta understand that car cost like $90,000 so it is way out of the mustangs league
redd7188 1 year ago
power to weight idiots. 2011 mustang gt 36xx and 412. 2010 camaro ss 38xx and 426. do the math. Who should win? Thank GM for making Ford produce the 5.0 again. The mstang needed someting cause imports were spanking that ass LMAO!
kingbambino22 1 year ago
@kingbambino22 really! what import?
redd7188 1 year ago
@redd7188 the last gen was crap.. camaro pushed ford to make the mustang a muscle car again
frewcc 1 year ago
2000 cobra -r 395 hp 12-90 qrtr 2004 cobra svt 420 hp 12.40 best time with pro driver GT500 is overpriced junk not even worth mentioning it wont beat a 04 cobra with a set of flowmasters and a gear swap . i know because ive seen it at the track. now if we could only make something that beats a stock vette . i love stangs but it sucks to get beat by vettes all day
wolverinemma 1 year ago
if you dont think Ford sandbags your crazy , anyone remember the " 390 hp " supercharged 4.6 Cobras . they were 420 hp not 390 and it ran on average around 12.50 qrtr mi times . they were the fastest production mustangs ever . look up 04 cobra
wolverinemma 1 year ago
@wolverinemma I do remember the 1999 SVT Slobra rated at 320hp that was overrated and caused there to not be a Cobra in 2000 (besides the CobraR which is a totally different engine).
Looks like Ford learned their lesson about underrating being better. =)
thetravdawg 1 year ago
went to the race track at Moroso friday night . a guy ran a 12.88 everyone was asking what he did to it he said he put a set of Dynomax mufflers. he said he wants to swap the gears out but said Ford prices are too ridiculous right now .
wolverinemma 1 year ago
thats with out getting into the motor itself people in witch i mean things like changing a cam and so forth.
lions66666 1 year ago
camaro with stock 341 ratio according to road and track ran a 13 flat the mustang with a 331 stock gear ratio ran a 13.2 now if the mustang had the same gear ratio of a camaro wich is a 341 than they would have been dead even in witch would make it a drivers race heck its still a drivers race in witch ever way you want to look at it rather your a ford fan or a chevy fan but now as far as tunning goe's yes you can get way more power out of this new 302 engine then compared to the ls engines
lions66666 1 year ago
@lions66666 huh? i just watched the road n track video the mustang won
redd7188 1 year ago
@lions66666 and dont get to caught up in what the magazines have to say. I AM STARTING TO THINK THEY JUST MAKE WHAT EVER CAR THEY LIKE LOOK BETTER
redd7188 1 year ago
@redd7188 that is so tru...people no this and still buy based on non-facts!!
zekenc 1 year ago
this is a lie guys and im a ford fan i have the new august issue of the 5.0 mag this car makes 366 on the dyno with a 4th gear pull 355 with a 5th gear pull the new ss camaro makes 374 but i dont know what gear pull that was though probely 4th i would guess but with the weight diffrence between the 2 cars i would say that makes them equel in my book even with both having same gear ratio's in wich i explain on the next comment
lions66666 1 year ago
@lions66666 i just watched three dyno videos of the 2010 camaro ss and 2011 mustang 5.0 and the mustang posted better dyno numbers in all three videos and you did not read the whole article on the 2011 mustang in 5.0 magazine. On page 50 look under 4th gear pull they got 381hp at 6,698rmp and what you are reffering to they got 366hp at 6,700rpm on the 5th gear pull. Please go back and read it for yourself its in bold white print in the dyno chart.
redd7188 1 year ago
it should be called Camaro ASS because thats what it looks like getting beat by a smaller motored Mustang
wolverinemma 1 year ago
@wolverinemma the Camaro is nice enough to weigh in several hundred pounds more to give the Mustang plenty opportunity.
thetravdawg 1 year ago
it there is a 11% estimated power loss through the drive train......the car is actually putting something close to 430+ at the crank if it is putting out 395 rwhp.....looks like ford isnt planning on making another costly recall mistake lol...
blackstang2003 1 year ago
390 rwhp...thats about 450+ crank,that menas ford underrated this car by 35-45 hp..not bad,chevy boys gonna be pist,an it's 2-300 lbs lighter then the camaro ss!!
zekenc 1 year ago
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rossi347 1 year ago
Some of you youngsters might not remember this, but when Dodge introduced the first Viper, everybody was completely blown away that it had 400 hp. FOUR HUNDRED!!! Now look at what we've got. These might be the glory days, kids. Live it up.
ginsunh 1 year ago
@ginsunh I'm a Ford fanatic but I do remember the 1st Viper, I felt alittle betrayed due to the strong 60s Ford Daytona hints and the mix of almost every Iconic road racer from the 50s to the 70s... It was a great looking Automobile and a very strong performer.. For me, the Viper tied together the great heritage of American Road Racing and raised the standard for American sports cars and enticed the competitors to up the ante. In my opinion, the Viper was the 1st American retro design... period
thepill1978 1 year ago
Ford under rated the munstang's numbers...it's more than 412 at the crank. That's why it's putting down 395 at the wheels
fogel12345 1 year ago
New mustangs put camaros to shame...FACT ...and I'm a chevy guy.
fogel12345 1 year ago
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chevyPROSTREET66 1 year ago
@chevyPROSTREET66
Its called underrated. The same thing Ford did with the Terminator, and Chevy did with the V6 Camaro in 2010... wow, are you really that ignorant?
EvilxMerlin 1 year ago
@EvilxMerlin
Dude, you REALLY shouldn't call other people "ignorant" on you tube!
ESPECIALLY when YOU are the biggest fucktard on the internet!
ESPsandEmgs 1 year ago
@ESPsandEmgs and EvilxMerlin need to knock it off, I have read most of your comments on multiple post and I understand your frustrations with the other side. I hate GM because it has been ingrained in me since the mid 80s.. I was one of the many Mustang owners that petitioned to GM in late 2001 to rethink their marketing decision. ESPsandEmgs is a smart man, and a loyal consumer, he will triple check your statements when you post. We don't want another 2002 nor does Ford...
thepill1978 1 year ago
@thepill1978
Blow me.
EvilxMerlin 1 year ago
@ESPsandEmgs cont... this is why Ford match GM this year instead of just making a Ford "Viper" and was beating by their own design. Fact is, These cars are pushing the American Sports Cars out of production. GM, is in a unique position with the Vette and the Camaro. Calling each other bullshit names isn't helping anyone.. I read (both) your post and cross reference as needed. bring the knowledge, by all means, keep the fire going but without one you won't have the other.
thepill1978 1 year ago
@ESPsandEmgs each of you have extreme enthusiasm for your chosen model, now you understand Steve Saleen's decision to help re-create Fords competition and improve sales across both companies. Both are on the up and up, Like ginsunh said below our post, live it up....
thepill1978 1 year ago
@thepill1978
I appreciate your comments. But I think trying to have an intelligent conversation with EvilxMerlin is the equivalent of talking to a WALL. I will not deny the fact that there are smart people on both sides of the line, but there are also some REALLY stupid assholes! And all this stupid asshole wants to do, is make shit up, and argue over meaningless bullshit. BTW if you check his page, you will see that he really is, an IGNORANT HILLBILLY!
ESPsandEmgs 1 year ago
@ESPsandEmgs well, I tried..
thepill1978 1 year ago
@thepill1978
I have been wanting to ask you for a long time, are you in Japan right now? What time is it their?
ESPsandEmgs 1 year ago
@ESPsandEmgs it is 10:51am Monday morning..
thepill1978 1 year ago
@ESPsandEmgs
Yep, a wall, You are the one who can't understand that the 2011 Mustang GT is simply faster, less expensive, more manuverable, better handling and better reviewed than the Camaro.
EvilxMerlin 1 year ago
@EvilxMerlin
Yep, an IGNORANT HILLBILLY!
ESPsandEmgs 1 year ago
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@ESPsandEmgs
Again, why is it you are the one who can't understand that the 2011 Mustang GT is simply faster, less expensive, more manuverable, better handling and better reviewed than the Camaro? Simple question.
EvilxMerlin 1 year ago
@EvilxMerlin except for the as tested of the Mustang 5.0 in several comparos has been more expensive than that of the Camaro. Fact.
thetravdawg 1 year ago
@thetravdawg
They are called OPTIONS moron. The base price of the Mustang GT is less expensive than either of the V8 Camaros. End of story.
EvilxMerlin 1 year ago
@EvilxMerlin oh is that what they are called? You're the moron, you didn't specify in your comment whether it was base price or not. So what you're saying is the Mustang 5.0 needs options to keep up/pass the Camaro SS?
My comment is still fact.
thetravdawg 1 year ago
@thetravdawg
You do realize the base model GT can beat either of the 2010 (and 2011) Camaro's right? Unlike GM, Ford doesn't have to have two motors to hit the EPA gas milage rules. Jebus, GM fanbois really are idiots.
EvilxMerlin 1 year ago
@EvilxMerlin two different engines? You mean the one mated to the manual tuned to 426hp and the same engine mated to the auto tuned to 400hp? That would be the same engine tuned differently to two different transmissions.
The Mustang 5.0's sole advantage lies in being lighter than the Camaro. Finally an M6/A6 trans. Too bad Gm made the Camaro so heavy, would have been a better motor to motor showcase.
A fanboi is someone who does not own a similar car, check my videos. You are the fanboi.
thetravdawg 1 year ago
@thetravdawg
No you jackass, one is an LS3, one is an L99 V8. Two different engines. Holy shit man, at least educate yourself before opening your pie hole.
You do know that the 5.0 is actually producing MORE power than the LS3 right? You do know that the 5.0 handles better than the Camaro right?
You do know that the 5.0 is less expensive than the Camaro right?
So that is three major advantages.
EvilxMerlin 1 year ago
@EvilxMerlin jackass? They both have the same displacement, bore/stroke the only difference is the hp rating and the trans their connected to. What's the difference?
"POWER" = hp/torque. The Camaro torque = 420 lb/ft vs Mustang = best rated "unofficial" 409 lb/ft. So no the Mustang does not make more "power" and the Camaro has a broader power/torque range with the additional displacement.
I say again, the Mustang is lighter and that is why it "handles" better. What do you drive again fanboi?
thetravdawg 1 year ago
@thetravdawg
Um, no there is quite a bit of difference. Educate yourself. You are looking more and more like an ass.
The Ford motor still makes more power. It does 409 lb/ft with 5.0L of displacement, it takes the 6.2L of the LS3 to hit 420... do the fucking math. Of course that would exclude the L99 engine.
What do I drive? Daily driver is either my 2011 Mustang GT or my 2007 Jeep Wrangler, track car is my 2011 GT500. I sold my 2010 Camaro SS to buy the 2011 GT.
EvilxMerlin 1 year ago