The Zeitgeist Movie. Truth Exposure? Or PSYOPs-Gust?

[johneb80]

i'm wondering what you think about it now that you've had time to desseminate it and research it ?

[lowryder2able]

PSYOP? That's interesting. I enjoyed listening to you, thanks, I was also left with the same niggling feelings after watching Z. What do you think of Allan Watt?

[webisodic]

Yes,

please wake up. . .do unto others before they do unto you. . .the alignment is in place. . .let's see what takes shape. And of course the 'almighty god' of money . . .these people play both sides of the coin. . .the hell with truth. . .to see if two extremes will eventually come together while manipulating the economic and control beliefs and systems that prophet them most. In other words skew em

[girlphriend]

my god was here first! no mine was! my made up story is better than yours! Mine is the only truth and the only one worth dying for! If you arent with me you're againts me...jeez no wonder people are questioning this BS. Does it really harm you if your neighbor worships 20 gods or 0?

[rg2027x]

Who *really* controls the "truth movement" ? tinyurl DOT com / cwzaa

is it honestly any surprise...

[distressed7]

I really do not have to go any further with this. Why is it in Christianity and Judaism re: The 1st verse of the Bible is Hebrew: "Bereshit bara Elohim ..." Everywhere one looks at the same word Elohim it is A, heavenly beings B. Sons of G-d...etc. etc. never, ever is it G-d. Why is it contradicted here? Very simple. It contradicts the diehard monotheism and creates an area of debate and possibility beyond the box. I sense the consternation of the times here. Zeitgeist simply opens doors of ..?

[Questfortruth86]

Atheism is merely the bastard child of Gnosticism, which has been used as a tool by the evil elite to further divide us. Now Gnosticism may be true or divine authority as given to us by the major monotheistic religions maybe actually be the way. But the effects of Gnosticism and the collaborating texts associated with it, such as the Kabballah, has had obvious destructive outcomes.

[distressed7]

So have the paths of true believers my friend.

[truthl0lhurts]

Please everyone, realize that everything repeats itself. People, would you please wake up and get out of the nonsense of religion.

[Changeling9au]

"...please wake up and get out of the nonsense of religion."

Red herring.

The real issue is that much of the "Truth movement" has been quite easily manipulated into regurgitating lies and propaganda.

The validity or otherwise of religion is another issue.

[KeMoniito]

@truthl0lhurts ...would you please WAKE THE FUCK UP and realize that the ONLY purrpose of the NWO is to make a fucking atheist sheep out of you...?

[HighlandFreePress]

You made me think.

I saw you on Zeit Challenge.......

I watched Z Addendum........

As you say "Who is telling the Truth"?????

[Zenman1976]

One person that does resonate with me is Alex Collier. I feel that he is a man of integrity but who knows if all he says is true. I do believe he thinks it to be true and is not intentionally misleading anyone but there are so many people out there feeding lies into any truth movement that no one persons info can be taken at mere face value.. Peace fella

[Zenman1976]

Historical Accuracy, Honesty and Integrity. Good luck in these days fella. I fully understand your mindset by the way, Kudos for your words. Alas its all to common for people to swing from one piece of info to another gripping onto it for dear life stating its the ONLY truth cause they KNOW it. Oh yeah also Sitchin is a DisInfo agent he has been spotted more than once at some of those elitist shindigs they like to hold at places like 'the grove'. He wasn't wrong, he was intentionally misleading.

[jewlzorjay]

Certainly the Zeitgeist movie makes you look at things than more thna just face value whihc can only be a good thing providing it don't drive you insane.

On relligion: i think to say that Zeitgeist was telling porkies on the origin of Jesus is unfair. The problem is any theroy that can be proved can usually be dissproved with the same volume of evidence.

So with this kind of stuff there often is no right and wrong but just a diffrent view.

[jewlzorjay]

The most classic example of this is islam vs christianity.

both religions of the book, both with one god. Muslims claim that the message of Jesus was currupted so God sent Mohamed to put us back on track. Christians claim that the word of god was never currupted but the muslims took on currupted teachings.

I'm a christian i trust my faith in god and not in any book made by man.

The pratices of the romans assimilation of cultures and religions and than the changing of them is still here.

[distressed7]

Read: THE FAMILY-Jeff Sharlett-Read: THE JESUS FRAUD-Tony Bushby Read: THE GREATEST STORY EVER SOLD-AcharyaS/bottom line: I know little. I am not a "scholar". Whatever the fuck that means. Since most of these guys never ever, for the most part ever did what a "loser" in this dying world ever did, that being, going in tears to an altar call. After all, they're too well bred and "smart" to do something so pitiable as that. TskTsk. However, I did. Yet I will not surrender to a possible lie either.

[jewlzorjay]

I'm not sure i'm following what your saying.

But i will say that it is called your faith because it is what you believe in. nobody should be able to tell you what you should be able to believe.

[m0jeezy13]

personally i watched the movie twice yesterday once alone and once with a few friends and id say it changed my perspectives on religion and the government and i think it made my friends think about it too

[Changeling9au]

I'm glad it got you thinking.

Don't let it *stop* you from thinking, which seems to be one of its main effects on way too many people.

[masterkl16]

@Changeling9au

There's a disclaimer in the movie saying "this is not to be taken as truth." The film was intended to educate people with scientific observations, not to promote a truth movement. Science is not truth; one of its laws (law of emergence) dictates that "truth" is always changing, and that one must always be prepared to accept it even if it challenges their perceptions of reality. You for example are skeptical because Zeitgeist is challenging information you regard as truth. Unwise!

[Changeling9au]

@masterkl16

"..not to promote a truth movement."

Have you not heard of the "Zeitgeist movement"?

"You for example are skeptical because Zeitgeist is challenging information you regard as truth."

No. I'm skeptical because much of what was said is demonstrably false.

If you're interested in some real research on the origins of Christianity and who wrote the new testament, you may find caesarsmessiah c0m interesting.

[masterkl16]

@Changeling9au

The Zeitgeist movement is actually committed to social reform, and that requires some education based on facts and observation. So yeah, it's a "truth" movement within that context. The bottom line is you are meant to begin investigating these "truths" for yourself, not just accept or dismiss them.

Education.

Even I have some reservations about the movement, so I won't disregard your claim that certain parts of the movie may be false. I'll look into that website as well.

[KeMoniito]

@masterkl16 ..."Science is not truth; one of its laws (law of emergence) dictates that "truth" is always changing, " ..you are very wrong.. science does not postulates that nonsense because a truth that 'changes' was never a truth in the first place. TRUTH does not change because if it does , then it never was a truth. does 2+2=4 ever changes..?.. will it ever change..? of course not, so don't be so naive.

[dontfollowmehome]

"will the real truth seekers, please stand up" =)

Boils down to one thing, so very simple, I will love this planet back to good-health. It's funny, I did the same thing to a scrape on my knee.

[crackhead007]

omg ppl are so dumb. pt 1 of zeitgeist is trying to illustrate how there are sooo many similar christ stories, not that thier all indentical to jesus. its trying to tell you that throuhgout history the story of a savior has always been used. you guys need to watch that movie again with your christ dick sucking heads out of your bible pummeled assholes.

[Changeling9au]

When you've finished smoking crack, feel free to do a bit of THINKING instead of mindlessly repeating Zeitgeist's *assertions* like a brainwashed discheeple of the Sheitgeist cult.

You can start by explaining how the Southern Cross, which I can see from my bedroom window, was seen by people in the northern hemisphere. (Hint - it wasn't :)

[crackhead007]

wow you fuckin retard. im not saying what they say is tru im saying its being repeated throughout history so stop sucking dick because an overload of semen can clearly block some brain signals.

2nd off, fuck you, fuck yourself and everything you own, i will never stop crack, eat shit, and ill smoke rock

[Changeling9au]

Thankyou for your perspective.

Pity I'm gonna have to block you.

[Zenman1976]

Comme Tu Est bete.. What a moron you are.. Hopefully you will promote yourself to meth soon enough and jump from a very tall building..

[djedd23]

you say that the Southern Cross what not visible in the northern hemisphere. However, you have failed to realise that things were different in ancient times. the precession of the equinoxes means that it was visible in the northern hemisphere during ancient times.

[6gording6]

Yea you need to lay of the crack its affecting you logic.

[masterkl16]

@crackhead007

You're totally inspiring.

[WinsomeWinslet]

Zeitgeist is pushing the occultic religion the bible calls Mystery Religion Babylon which naturally has to destroy the credit of Jesus Christ. You are absolutely correct in your skepticism. I've spent the past month studying part 1 of Sheitgeist and found that their agenda is to simply "overcome the saints" as the bible prophecied thousands of years ago. By the way, I am offering $250 to anyone who can PROVE WITHOUT A DOUBT the claims of Sheitgeist part 1. Thanks for posting this. God Bless! :)

[Changeling9au]

"Sheitgeist"! - I like that one!

:)

[Marbus0]

The Part on Religion was spot on, its very complicated but William Coopers Mystery babylon series covers the topic very well in the part called Egyptian magic when he compares the simliarties between Christianity and the Egyptian religion. He concludes that they are the same religion and that the only diffrence is that names were changed. I think one peace of signifficant evidence is the Vatican Courtyard. Its shaped of a sun dial with the penis of Osirus in the middle.

[WinsomeWinslet]

The Catholic church is referred to as the Mystery Religion Babylon in Revelation in the Bible and the Vatican is now also known as the New Babylon. Biblical Christianity is NOT from Babylon...it is from Israel. Christianity is not the same thing as Catholicism. They couldn't be FURTHER from each other. Horus was not born of a virgin, he wasn't a savior figure and Jesus was not born on Dec 25. I could go on and on but it'd be better if we message each other. Blessings friend.

[Changeling9au]

Did you also notice that they included - in fast moving screen text, not verbally - Mohammed of Arabia (Islam) as one of the sun gods?

As though a deceptive lying Warlord and rapist - who no one (except perhaps the discheeples of the new Sheitgeistian faith) pretends was virgin born - has anything in common with any of the sun gods!

It's almost like the Evilarchy put this movie out to see how many "truthers" are for real. Who can really blame them, when so many "truthers" are anything but!

[Marbus0]

What are talking about Jesus Christ is clearly portrayed as a Sun God, its unbelieable how you seek the truth and then turn it your own convient truth blocking anything you dont like to hear.

[Changeling9au]

William Cooper was a Christian - he was referring to numerous "Christian" *churches*, not Christianity itself.

Pt.1 had bits of truth in it, but it made so many wild assertions casually - as though they were well known facts - and many of these assertions are demonstrably false.

I'm curious, Marbus0 - you say all this and yet you seem to glorify Vatican sponsored clerical fascist Ante Pavelic.

Why??

[Marbus0]

Clerical Facists???? Ante Pavelic was a lawer and had his own law firm before he created his movement. The reason why he was sponsered by the Vatican is because the Churches in Croatia are dictated from the vatican, Theres no such thing as a Croatian Church. My religion is Roman Cathoilic, there is no such thing as Croatian Catholic. Ante Pavelic only became a so called Priest after the war when he was in hiding.

[Marbus0]

The reason why I support Ante Pavelic is because he truely cared about Croatians. He was against Freemasonary and even though he recieved support from the Vatican, every single religious instiution whether it is Christianity, Islam or Judaisim all were created by they same people who were the Ancient Kabbalists, for you see that was the very first religous instution and other religeous institution were created from that. Its like a web it continues with a diffrent story.

[muncleike]

dude i watched it and your wrong listen to him he is saying thats what they (illuminati) believe he says its wrong, he (bill cooper) is a christian. the illuminati believe christians stole there belifes and twist things and find things to make them look connected.the truth is the athiest started as sun worshipers,not as a god but as natures bringer of life. chatholics added alot of pagan beliefs to get the people to accept chritianity. true christianity is not a religioun its reality !!!

[Marbus0]

Christianity is reality? tell me how is that so????? The term Christanity is nothing more then a name for people who follow the religions institution of Christanity. Bill never said anything about the illuminati beeing wrong the only thing he was saying is how they see it. But fact is that there is a huge connection between religions of Christanity and others with the mystery schools.

[muncleike]

no you got it wrong christianity is them that follow the teachings of Christ..not religion! most religions teach lies the catholic church started and has nothing to do with God or Christ and most go agents there word.what i am saying is don't listen to man he is full of it. read (the bible) and pray and you WILL find the truth.not what men say is the truth.they lie to devide the people and pull them from God

[Marbus0]

But the bible was written by men lol you just contradicted yourself.

[masterkl16]

@WinsomeWinslet

Two hundred and fifty dollars! My god, you just debunked your own post.

[Klokjvaarpsta]

Well, "Zeitgeist" has excellent proof, why won't you respect that? Christianity is based on fairytale, that's obvious with all the miracles and other stuff that cannot be proven and lacks objective records, I am not telling the "Zeigeist" is true, but much more convincing than Bible

[911thegreathoax]

Christianity is a sick, twisted human sacrifice blood cult and "spiritual scam" that tries to remove individual responsibility for sin by slapping it onto a human blood sacrifice - requiring MURDER to be committed to the sacrifice (some God, huh?). Ya, this evil, blood-thirsty "god" of the Bible - Satan, pretending to be God - has sucked in millions of fools into this spiritual avoidance of personal responsibilty scam.

Don't be a fool. All blood sacrifice religions are of the Devil!

[911thegreathoax]

Part I, bad? Heck, that's the best part of Zeigeist!

It shows you how Christianity is nothing but an extension of the Egyptian mystery religions.

[racist123]

face it your in denial- why don't you try and debunk Gnostic Medias - Pharmacratic Inquisition video especially the part about the mushrooms. or just go back to alex mole jones

[Changeling9au]

Face it, you're a troll.

Yawn.

[racist123]

you sound like a angry christian fundamentalist

[Changeling9au]

You're entitled to your opinion, of course.

[rjshmo]

This movie is a complete government made video to destroy the Gentiles; keep them confused; and, to destroy their spirits so they can't fight back.

[vtcpdx]

I can detect a bit of religious based equivocation in your argument so I will have to say that it is all religion/cults/psychologies that twist our nature and cause the individual to be less than human and cause the suffering which we, time after time, refuse to learn from.

[jinkyfc]

great work dude!! a lot of people have been lead up the garden path by these guys. i'm not criticising them because the people they use are very convincing. zeitgeist is wrong!! he represents the whole sky, not the sun! jesus wasnt born on 25th dec and no real christian believes this to be his true birthday.

[Changeling9au]

Thanks! Makes a pleasant change from the ill-logical faith-based comments from "freethinking truthseekers" I've been seeing litter this and many other threads.

It's good in a way - one gets the feeling one is getting just that bit closer to the truth when one receives such attacks from people who can't seem to explain exactly what's getting them so upset......

[jinkyfc]

well said, they hear tsarion and maxwell who are to be fair both well spoken and they take what they say as fact. this whole many sun god's which they say include jesus comes from occult writting. they are preaching the free mason doctrine, which according to albert pike is the luceferian doctrine. the majority of truth movement leads people to new age philosophy. this is all coreographed by the peopl they claim to be exposing

[Paulitical420]

2nd part is excellent and so is the 3rd. There is no debunking these parts. So you saying since you think the first part is BS therefore the rest must be. Wake up. Do your own research. Its out there. Im sorry this movie messed with your long time belief system, that by the way if you are like the rest of us its 95% BS anyways. the signs are obvious. Has the church ever been Holy? Try to think of anything good the church has ever done for our world?

[Changeling9au]

No, I didn't say that.

I did my own research and am awake enough to conclude that pt.1 is seriously flawed. I'm sorry my criticism of this movie messed with your newly found faith. btw, what "long time belief system" do you think I'm supposedly defending? I'm not aware of one.

Why are you asking me about the church?

[Paulitical420]

its a whole bunch of BS yet you wont go into it. Wake up! Religon is all the same thing. Remain ignorant, its you who will suffer.

[Changeling9au]

What bunch of BS do you think I won't go into? I only have 10 minutes per vid - not enough time to cover all the BS in the world. Sorry.

"Remain ignorant, its you who will suffer."

You sound kinda like a religious zealot.

[thunderc78]

say what you want about the solar gods that came before christ, but the real truth is in the stars. Why are all these dates aligned with solar events?

[Changeling9au]

Astrology is a scientific art, not a religion. The truth isn't "in the stars" - the stars form patterns which can reveal certain truths. The Evilarchy behind the major organised religions utilise these patterns. Not all of pt.1 was wrong - but the facts were distorted and history was misrepresented.

[vtcpdx]

There are many of your fellow human beings who don't share your views...get over it. In fact, I know more about Christianity then most "Christians" because I make my decisions based in fact, not blind faith, and I know that Christianity is a regurgitation of Roman, political, pagan rights which were plagiarized from Akkadian and Sumerian texts. So you can remain stupid if you like, but don't expect us to join you.

[Changeling9au]

Your first sentence states the obvious. If you make your decisions "based in fact, not blind faith", then why does my highlighting factual inaccuracies for the benefit of those who watched Zeitgeist in good faith upset you?

How can you possibly conclude that exposing errors and questioning assumptions represents stupidity?

No, I don't expect you to join me.

[vtcpdx]

There is no historical documentation of Jesus outside of the older texts distorted in the Bible. Your "highlighted inaccuracies" are based in subjective veiled references to the Bible as proof that Zeitgeist is not factual which is nothing more than an appeal to authority with no basis in empirical fact.

[jinkyfc]

dude you might want to read "Jesus outside the old testament" and "the historical jesus" and you will see that you have been hoodwinked by these people who are pushing to abolish religion and bring in the lucuiferian doctrine of all of us being gods. PLEASE check out the books i have listed. may god bless you and show you the way!!!

[vtcpdx]

I have had my fair share of reading assignments but you need to ponder the fact that religion, particularly Christianity, has been used to support the most heinous crimes in history, to promote the hegemony of a powerful and murderous elite since the days of Constantine. In fact, the Gnostic Jesus would agree with me, not with modern Christians. So don't be so confident in your world view.

[jinkyfc]

i was just trying to point out that there is proof of jesus outside the bible. the heinous crimes you alude to are, i assume, are the inquisitions. it is historical fact that tghis was the plan of the catholic church, not christianity. constantine paganised christianity and is not someone who christians believe was truly christian, albeit a possible true conversion on his death bed.

[vtcpdx]

If you read my comment again you will see that I agree with you, to a point. A few of the old texts that didn't make it into the official bible mention Jesus, but there is no other historical, anthropological, or empirical evidence. Forget the Catholics, look at what American Evangelicalism is doing to world peace. Who put Bush in office? The entire history of Christianity, from the early romans, to Luther, to the Abolitionists is written in blood.

[jinkyfc]

I think we can both agree that bush snr and cronies placed his son in office. the elections both time were fixed! and i dont think its the whole fault of american evangelical voters. i think they clearly got sucked in and we both know he is not a true christian anyway. check out bohemien grove. martin luthers symbol was a rose and cross which shows he was a rosicrucian and a mystery schools initiate.

[jinkyfc]

i do admit that christians have killed throughtout history. but i really dont think you can hold the whole religion accountable in the same way that you cant blame all germans for the holocaust

[jinkyfc]

i do admit that christians have killed throughtout history. but i really dont think you can hold the whole religion accountable in the same way that you cant blame all germans for the holocaust