choose, a 7 to 8 foot longsword that weighs like cinder blocks or a katana thats lighter than a steel pipe or even a crowbar, come on, its ither 50-50 chance kill with longsword or 75-25 chance of kill with katana
ok i understand if you put a viking against a samurai, the samurai still wins but the viking has the chain mail to protect it self, but what happens if its just normal clothing, if your going to kill someone what would you rather drag about with ya a longsword that can break, bend, shatter and be cut against a katana thats been perfected since the 1600's that is practically impossible to slash or bend, the least is get the edge of the blade marks from coliding swords
the longsword may be used for bruter slashes but the katana is sharper and lighter than the longsword, the longsword may have its advantage with the weight but forged steel against heat tempered low and high carbon steel that can be folded up to 240 times then the longsword cant stand much a chance, brute force may win some battles but swift planned and precise strenght can win over brute strenght
1.this video is crap 2.to the people who say longsword's are better than katana's then think about this: you have two of the same person, same strenght, same height, same agility, now equip one with the longsword and the other with the katana, think which one will be faster to cut with
Yeah, I have a darksword armory 11th century viking sword, works great, could probably cut much thicker sheet metal since it's quite large for a 1 handed sword
and lol i find these videos funny as i used a cheap folding pocket knife (15$) to cut some 20 guage sheet steel and then some 18gauge steel to line the bottom of a park grill with (the bottom was burnt out Lol)
@WitheringintheDark Viking swords were made using pattern welding, which made what is sometimes called 'fabricated damascus steel'. The process is considered more advanced then Japanese forging techniques, and it creates a superior blade for a lot less work.
Not that any of this matters, all these replicas are high-carbon steel, made with modern technology. They all have basically the same effect on a sheet of steel, the shape of the blade doesn't have a significant effect on cutting ability.
@spartanwarmaster Twisting rods of steel instead of folding them is hardly more advanced, and with the equipment available to them no less laborious, either. It was a method that achieved the same result in a different way, which is uniformity in the steel through carbon migration. When comparing quality we also see a similar distribution of poor and mediocre blades (common), good blades (common enough) and excellent blades (rare).
@Gilmaris Yea, probably. Boy, that's an old comment. But anyway, I'm just sick of hearing about the superiority of katanas, I was willing to believe anything in the other direction.
The truth is, who can really say? Not us youtube commenters...
japanese armor is crap i paid 2000$ for a reproduction only to find out my rope dart will penetrate it and my hook swords can dismantle it against 800$ chain mail the rope dart still penetrates and the hooks can rip through with powerfull pull strikes and downward hooks against plate mail the hook swords are useless unless going for gaps the rope dart will cause internal injury the katana will glance off the long sword will cause blunt trama so its not the weapon its how its used
@TeHGoodReverend it was traditional reproduction made with the same materials and the same process as the old ancient armor, it was HAND crafted not someshity machine made replica
@forbiddenangeldark Wouldn't cutting a pipe damage the edge? Plus, to cut iron that's laying on a solid surface is one thing but if it's held like a sword, the object will have some give and will just move a little. That said, I don't think anyone can cut a blade in two on the battlefield.
there is too much other vs katana bashing vids about.The katana guys are "doing" and the others are trying to catch up.Most well made swords in the hands of a well trained person can perform these "static" cuts but the katana guys have already been doing them and cutting contests long ago.Katana cut some things really well and other things poorly-this depends on the primary design of the weapon and blade quality.
@Indabaz whatever dumbass im not impressed not a bit and it also depends on the person holding the sword but you dont get these kins of things i guess
@Indabaz katanas and swords are not the same a katana is used with concentration + a certain amount of strenght while a sword is all strenght im done arguing with you internet badass
@eddy7204 based on what? European swords perform the same on cuts. European steel was far ahead of japans due to the blast furnace. There is skill required with every sword, and the viking longsword weighs pretty damn close to a katana.
@eddy7204 h t t p://w ww .th earma . org/essays/weights. h t m The average weight of any normal sized sword, regardless of culture is between 2.5-3.5 lbs. European knights were every bit as skilled as were vikings, samurai, you name it, a lack of skill in war is death and these were all professional fighting men whose only job was war.
Hmm, not to be an ass, but that's not a clean cut. You used your strength to plow through the metal with a hack, the other guy cut cleanly through the metal. I don't think anyone thinks that a Katana is so special that it is the only weapon that can penetrate metal armor.
the other guy's cut left both sides of the metal as smooth edges, yours left the metal looking like it is torn. The idea of the exercise was to perform a clean cut, not just hack through it.
@sc0pl355 I have a video not included here that shows the cut it was a clean cut you can not plow through the metal so to speak I own several katana by the way and it is not as impressive to cut the metal using the sword two handed.
@ThegnThrand It was my understanding that you can plow through any material with enough force. It was also my understanding that one hand used in making a two handed cut with a katana is to deliver the force while the second hand helps guide the blade to make a proper cutting motion instead of hacking.
The japanese video wasn't to see if the sword was magically strong or saying that it was impossible to cut that sheet. It was about cutting cleanly. The video above looked like you hacked it.
@sc0pl355 Not to be an ass, but that all means jack shit. Penetration is penetration and if there was an unfortunate SOB behind that, he'd be dead either way.
This is like arguing ballistics on guns. At the end of the day, if you get hit, it's going to ruin your weekend.
@wharghoul The difference is that one way is more difficult than the other. Also, one way gives less wear and tear on your weapon than the other does. If you just go plowing through everything in battle then you risk your sword breaking in mid combat, then you're royal fucked.
"This is like arguing ballistics on guns. At the end of the day, if you get hit, it's going to ruin your weekend."
Yeah, except the ballistics of a gun can make the difference between the target surviving and dying.
@40OldeEnglish Where did I say anything about cutting armor? Nowhere. Also, the other video wasn't making a claim about cutting armor. The guy cut a metal sheet.
Also... No sword cuts through metal armor? Did you just say that? If that's the case, then armies would have stopped using swords in the bronze age when people started wearing armor. I guess knights didn't need shields because their regular armor was more than good enough to defeat swords and other edged weapons. /s
@sc0pl355 No Sword buts armor. But 90% of soldiers (the non elite) had no armor. This is why plate armored knights discarded the shield and sA sword could still kill an armored man, but only when thrusting at the gaps in the armor, which is why you see pointy, tapered tips on later swords in the medieval age. A curved sword is only good vs light leather armor.
@40OldeEnglish "This is why plate armored knights discarded the shield"
Except you're wrong. SOME knights discarded shields so that they can use two handed swords and pole arms. If they were using a one-handed sword, they'd carry a shield.
"which is why you see pointy, tapered tips on later swords in the medieval age"
@sc0pl355 dude the Gladius is from roman times no one used that after rome. The shield was largely useless except in jousting b/c plate combat required more grappling and two handed weapons have more leverage and power like for instance the poleaxe or halberd
@40OldeEnglish "the Gladius is from roman times no one used that after rome."
I was mentioning that because you seem to think that making pointed swords was some kind of innovation or something.
"The shield was largely useless"
NO! Shields weren't useful against polearms but they were VERY effective against swords, hammers and axes. Midevil armor was not indestructible. One attempt to hack through a full curiass with a broadsword, by someone with 0 skill, would dent the fuck out of it.
@sc0pl355 No but pre plate mail you have a fatter sword tip more of a chopping design. a cuirass would not bend at all really vs a sword edge you would just damage a good sword /watch?v=osTQrJ_axfc&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PLF71702DA43721619. The gladius was short and fat and designed for thrusting, but vs unarmored opponents and vs. heavy armor they had to go for gaps just like the knights did.
@40OldeEnglish "A curved sword is only good vs light leather armor."
Look, first off, you can thrust with Katanas as well as many other curved blades. Secondly, Katanas are curved because that makes it easier to draw the blade from the saya.
Also, plate armor may be resistant to being cut, but it is like saying that a bullet proof vest is resistant to being penetrated by bullets. Also, I never fucking brought up armor, you did. You're the one talking about the shit like it is indestructible.
@sc0pl355 Katanas are curved to slice unarmored men in civilian combat during the Edo period. it could thrust but the wide tip makes poor thrusts against armor. h tt p :// w ww .samurai-archives. c om/sts.h t m l tells the true tale of the japanese sword. The bow and Yari were what samurai used in battle, a katana was used in desperation. I bring up armor b/c you say the katana cuts metal better, which is untrue, as it cant cut metal in any practical battlefield sense
@sc0pl355 by the 15th century when Full Plate armor came into bieng, knights stopped using a shield on the field, only in judicial combat and dueling or jousting. I didnt say plate was indestructible, but read up Hans Talhoffer the main source of info on armored fighting in europe, Says only a fool or a desperate man tries to slice or cut at plate and all armored combat description from medieval fighting manuals show only grappling/diarming and or thrusting technique.
@sc0pl355 You do realize that full plate didnt exist in the crusades right? all these pictures are of chainmailed knights of the 1100's-1300's The knights of st. john were the only holy order still in the holy land in the age of plate, and they used no shields, often firing arquebus before using a Longsword or pole-weapon
@40OldeEnglish Also, fucking STFU with your strawman attacks. I never fucking brought up the Armor thing, YOU DID. You came out of the blue talking about how no sword can cut through armor even though I never made that claim.
"read up Hans Talhoffer the main source of info on armored fighting in europe"
Here it is right here.
tiny url. c o m / 86m2w4m
There's not a single instance in the book where it says you can't cut through metal. Plate is just resistant, not impervious to cuts.
@sc0pl355 h t tp :// w w w.thearma . o r g/Manuals/Gladiatoria/Gladiatorie_part2 . ht m shows real
Talhoffer armored fighting techniques h tt p:// w w w .thearma.o r g/essays/armoredlongsword. h t m l explains my point perfectly. You came here to discuss history talking about how a katana cuts metal better and how european swords were swung with force, all false claims. if you say something be prepared to back it up dont get mad when you are called out over assumption
Kindly quote me saying a single fucking thing about history.
I said that the guy in THIS video hacked through the metal sheet while the Japanese guy that he's mocking CUT CLEANLY through his, that's fucking IT. Last I checked, they were both fucking still alive and those videos were filmed sometime in the last century, jackass.
I said that one way was skillful while the other was not. Then you came in talking about fucking armor and shit.
@sc0pl355 Why you getting mad? It cut it just as well and this guy knows wayy more shit about this than you. Hello dude these are historical weapons used by modern reenactors talking about their application is historical You blowhard. you are just pissed because you made an assinine comment. The samurai video was trick cutting bullshit and was all to impress people who know nothing about the real weapons. It didnt cut any better you sound like a fat 30 yr old Japanophile
@sc0pl355 No one was stupid enough to damage a good sword swinging it against a cuirass. thats hollywood bullshit. Even a Claymore wont cut Plate mail though it might break bones underneath the armor if you strike wrists/elbows etc. but this is why europeans use half swording techniques. If armor could be cut no one would bother and would just wear chainmail or leather riding jacks.
@40OldeEnglish I said from jump street that plate was cut resistant, but you're a total retard if you think the shit is totally impervious to penetration. Bullet-proof vests are resistant to gunshots but every once in a while a hit WILL defeat even the best bullet-proof armor. Same thing with midevil full-plate armor. I never fucking said that theuy provided no protection, just that you're stupid to claim that nothing can cut through it, which is simply not true. Any defense can be defeated.
@sc0pl355 You cant cut metal with a sword dummy. no practitioner alive or dead used cutting techniques vs plate as it will get you killed. There is a weakness in every armor, and with plate it is the gaps. There is not one account anywhere that says plate was ever "cut". Nobody bothered because it didnt work h tt p:// w w w .thearma.o r g/essays/armoredlongsword. h t m l once again read it and learn instead of believing myths
"no practitioner alive or dead used cutting techniques vs plate as it will get you killed."
I NEVER FUCKING SAID THAT THEY DID! People don't train to shoot AT bullet-proof vests or grab fruit from the TOP of trees where they are harder to get.
That's it. fucking quote me saying shit-all about cutting armor with a sword before you came in and started attacking me.
@40OldeEnglish So yeah, before you respond to anything else I said AFTER you strated jumping all over me about the fucling armor that I never mentioned to begin with. fucking quote me saying a damn thing about history and armor, jackass.
I was talking about the different results of the cut made in this video and the POINT of the Japanese guy cutting the steel sheet. The point wasn't to cut the sheet in half, the point was to cut cleanly.
@sc0pl355 "The difference is that one way is more difficult than the other. Also, one way gives less wear and tear on your weapon than the other does. If you just go plowing through everything in battle then you risk your sword breaking in mid combat, then you're royal fucked." So you said a katana cuts metal better making it more durable in combat and because it is sharp? Razor edges break easily. Also Thrand cuts with just the tip of a dull viking sword Same result.
@40OldeEnglish "So you said a katana cuts metal better making it more durable in combat and because it is sharp?"
1) THAT quote made no mention of history as you can still use a sword to defend yourself and kill other people today.
2) NOWHERE in that quote did I ever say a damn thing about cutting through fucking plate armor or any other type of armor. My entire statement was pointing out that recklessly swinging your sword about and hacking is not good for the life of the blade. THAT'S ALL!
@sc0pl355 "Hmm, not to be an ass, but that's not a clean cut. You used your strength to plow through the metal with a hack, the other guy cut cleanly through the metal. I don't think anyone thinks that a Katana is so special that it is the only weapon that can penetrate metal armor." NO SWORD CUTS METAL ARMOR
@sc0pl355 It wont slash cut or penetrate you idiot even with the stab it wil do little more than dent the breastplate. If you watched the video seen earlier you would know that instead of running your mouth talking shit.
@40OldeEnglish " even with the stab it wil do little more than dent the breastplate."
Wow, you're a fucking moron. Fucking archery remained effective vs armor for thousands of years until firearms hit the scene. I don't know why you think metal breastplates were indestructible.
watch this video.
watch?v=EDkoj932YFo
Looks like they penetrated the breastplate by stabbing it to me. If you were wearing that breastplate, would you still say that a sword can not penetrate metal armor?
@40OldeEnglish Where the fuck is his follow through? It looks like he's attacking the surface of that armor and there is no power in his strikes/stabs. And he's using ONE HAND to try and stab.
Firstly, he needs to use two hands, to put his weight into the blows/stabs and aim for the back of the rig, not the surface. The exact reason why he failed to cut cleanly in this video is a major contributor to his failure to stab through that breastplate.
@sc0pl355 Also look at the video of thrand "cutting" the cuirass he is using a one handed arming sword so he cant swing with two hands,besides according to you he should have a shield in his other hand fighting a plate armored man anyway. he uses the katana with two hands and it doesnt do shit. research "Real" techniques not flashy circus cutting bullshit and anime
@sc0pl355 Arrows werent used against plate armor you fucking noob they might shoot a horse out from under a knight so foot knights and infantry could finish him, but arrows in medieval combat were meant to kill large mass formations of unarmored pikemen. If you could make peasant troops rout, you could surround and overwhelm the knights who wouldnt be able to get away quickly. Even agincourt french knights killed there 75% died from severed legs or stabs to the face
@40OldeEnglish You know what dude, you weren't there. You're the same guy that said that shields weren't used in the 15th century, yet there's solid proof that they were used during the 100 years war.
@sc0pl355 the hundred years war was mostly in the 14th century in the TRANSITION from mail to plate. Common soldiers could and did use a shield especially the pavise during a siege. But plate armored knights didnt outside of jousting or charging. theres a reason the longsword is a two handed sword
@sc0pl355 There is not one shred of historical documentation to back up your claims. There is not one historical account of a cuirass bieng cut or punctured by a sword. Hans Talhoffer says "it is only the inexperienced fool who tries to strike plate with the edge of a blade"
@40OldeEnglish "There is not one shred of historical documentation to back up your claims."
Paintings of people in full plate using shields during the 100 years war. Pictures of 15th century shields.
"Hans Talhoffer says"
Yeah, that's the EDGE, not the point, jackass. Also, I never fucking argued the combat practicality of attacking the armor instead of the joints. In fact, I likened it to harvesting fruit from the top of a tree instead of the low hanging fruit, you boob.
@40OldeEnglish Yeah, talk about being unarmed, you've been making excuses every step of the way. Yeah, but you don't seem to know that longswords aren't supposed to be sharp. Thought that all katanas were made of folded steel, which is a myth propagated by the highlander films. Doesn't know WHY katanas are curved among a whole host of things.
@sc0pl355 God your fucking stupid a longsword was sharp enough and cut just as fine as any katana. All real katanas are made of folded steel how else are they made? I never said i didnt know why katanas are curved, all curved swords are designed to slice unarmored flesh better. The paintings you refer to are done by monks cloistered away in monasteries and usaully a hundred years after the actual battle. You talk all this big shit but you thought crusaders wore plate.
@40OldeEnglish A longsword wasn't razor sharp idiot. Hell, that book you keep citing even has a technique that REQUIRES the wielder to hold the fucking sword in his hands by the BLADE like a cudgel to do a death blow!
"you thought crusaders wore plate."
Plate armor has been around for thousands of years. Hell, the Japanese has plate armor in the fucking 5th century before it was outmoded by armor that was lighter and provided more maneuverability.
@sc0pl355 Show me japanese plate! Jesus christ your stupid. Saumurai armor weighed between 45-75 pounds, same or heavier than the average 55lb field plate. Nothing to say about the vids huh? your not very good at this are you? Samurai armor was actually quite unwieldy as it was form fitted to the samurais body like plate.
@sc0pl355 I didnt say a longsword was razor sharp you skew my words so you dont sound like so much of a retard. I said it was sharp. a longsword doesnt have to be razor sharp to cut well /watch?v=HNEBpu8eDsU but it isnt as dull as the wall hanger in the ermey video
Uh huh, so you think it is a good idea to hold a 'sharp' sword by the blade with your hands to go for a deathblow? Smart.
You can cleave through flash just fine with a blade that's not incredibly sharp. I bet that sword from the video could cut a chunk out of a person with no problem with a strong swing.
Also, the sword in the video that you linked was not any sharper than the video that I pointed out. Also, they are different swords.
@sc0pl355 and you criticize thrand for not usind two hands swinging a one handed arming sword. You DID say armor could be damaged from edge strikes stop back pedaling. No one used shields in the age of plate because you couldnt use anti armor half-sword techniques designed to thrust at gaps in the armor.
@40OldeEnglish "you criticize thrand for not usind two hands swinging a one handed arming sword."
I criticize him for hacking instead of cutting, using one hand to make a half hearted stabbing attempt and missing the point of cutting the sheet of metal in half.
"You DID say armor could be damaged from edge strikes"
Did I? Prove it. I said that the armor can be penetrated. I never said anyone was going to slice through the shit like it is made of butter.
@sc0pl355 I know you never said it will cut like butter retard im telling you it cant be penetrated by a sword thrust Jesus christ read one fucking article or watch one of these videos and youll see how wrong you are. You did say armor could be damaged from sword strikes numbnuts thats why you sent me that weaboo-shit ermey video with the fake armor. A bullet is travelling at a velocity that is humanly impossible to replicate with a damn sword point
@sc0pl355 Yes but travelling at a much higher velocity. It is impossible to damage armor with a sword strike you might break a bone below the armor if you wit a wrist or other joint. Swords were expensive and no one wasted theirs trying to batter an object just as hard as the sword itself. its common sense dumbass. Why bring up kevlar? its designed to stop Bullets not swords. a sword thrust is far harder than a knife thrust and any soft armor will fail this way, which is why plate was invented
@sc0pl355 read your own source material your armor is bronze gilded pig iron not steel here is another example h t t p : / / w w w. enotes . co m /topic/Japanese_armour It isnt steel, and its a form of banded mail not plate. These were thick and very heavy unlike the european armor of later centuries. Even then nobody is going to try striking or piercing the actual cuirass
@sc0pl355 Yes but there is a great deal of difference between wrought iron and steel. an effective steel cuirass is far thinner and much stonger. Also this was not plate it was banded mail. you attempted to show this as some reason lammellar was superior, as if the japanese had plate before but moved on. BS. If that was the case why did samurai copy portugese armor in the 16th century?
@sc0pl355 You never said thrusting directly into a cuirass was the favored method, but you said it was possible though there is no proof of this whatsoever. No one did it because it WASNT POSSIBLE. Thats the whole point of even wearing it
@40OldeEnglish "You never said thrusting directly into a cuirass was the favored method, but you said it was possible though there is no proof of this whatsoever"
No proof other than several videos of people thrusting swords into metal breastplates.
"No one did it because it WASNT POSSIBLE."
Incorrect. It was possible, it wasn't preferable because it is not the most effective angle of attack, you leave yourself wide open and it isn't very good for your weapon either.
@sc0pl355 Prove it was possible. i have given ample proof it WASNT. You cant even pierce riveted mail in such a way. you will do only cosmetic damage and not even hurt the wearer. Plate armor is superior, is it wasnt europeans would have used the Lammellar that was ALREADY THERE
@sc0pl355 YOU SHOWED ONE R LEE ERMEY VID nothing else you bullshitter the type of ceramic these plates you talk about are thermoplastic resin a ceramic compound NOT KEVLAR
@40OldeEnglish "YOU SHOWED ONE R LEE ERMEY VID nothing else"
I showed this video watch?v=osTQrJ_axfc and this one watch?v=EDkoj932YFo
that's two videos, dumbass. Need a calculator? I mean, I know you're slow, so go get one, I'll wait.
"the type of ceramic these plates you talk about are thermoplastic resin"
No you're trying to say that they were completely flexible because the guy heated them up. I mean, that's what thermoplastic resin does. No, jackass, they were kevlar.
@sc0pl355 you never linked that video. besides no one pierces the cuirass. putting a pinhole in it with a tapered thrusting sword isnt penetrating it in any practical sense. This armor is also stationary its strapped to a fucking rock. a man wearing it might get pushed back from the force of the thrust but it would not pierce the plate, let alone the gambeson underneath
@sc0pl355 look at the picture again "this was not plate it was banded mail"
No, it is plate. It just looks different from western plate armor. see the horizontal bands? the split down the middle? this armor laces up in the front its not a solid cuirass here is a better preserved kofun h ttp :// en. wikipedia. o r g/wiki/File:KofunCuirass .j p g
No. I see that the thing is composed of a metal sheet that wraps around the body and has reinforced metal bands bolted to it. if you look at the interior, it is a relatively flat surface.
" this armor laces up in the front"
Where are the holes for the laces? Also, a cuirass straps on the sides and shoulders. Do I have to show you pictures? I would hope you're not that stupid.
@40OldeEnglish "once again show someone thrusting through a breastplate"
I showed you a second video with a guy that had 0 skill stabbing through a metal breastplate. You said it was impossible to damage metal armor with a sword, but there it is.
I never made a claim that it was a good fucking idea or that japanese armor had force fields or that Katanas can shave atoms off of dark matter. Let the shit go.
@sc0pl355 What video? You only linked the Fake ass R. Lee Ermey. since you obviously dont know what a real breastplate looks like /watch?v=1FwmygmJMuM you are the one who went into attack mode talking shit and not backing it up.
@40OldeEnglish I already know what a real breastplate looks like.
"you are the one who went into attack mode talking shit and not backing it up."
First off, YOU attacked ME, jackass. I was fucking done commenting here then YOU decided to tap me on the shoulder and start up with me, so you can stfu there. Secondly, I backed my shit up, you're the one that said that shit was impossible and stuff like that after I showed that it is possible.
@sc0pl355 Ok what did you think of the thrusting videos i showed you? if a sword couldnt pierce riveted mail, why would they bother switching to a system that could be pierced? utter nonsense and in the face of facts you still argue
@40OldeEnglish "Ok what did you think of the thrusting videos i showed you?"
I told you. I thought he was going at it wrong when he was trying to stab. He was attacking the surface with half-hearted strikes and thrusts. I know for a fact that, if his life depended on that shit, he'd put some power into that.
@sc0pl355 This guy knows way more about sword technique and use than you thats fairly obvious due to your belief in hollywood myths and your many errors in identifying period arms and armor. That you didnt read my articles shows what a dumbfuck you are argueing with the burden of proof right in front of you. You are a willfully ignorant and overassuming prick. My "silly" ass buried you in proof and all you can come up with was bullshit.
@sc0pl355 You called iron banded mail plate armor, couldnt tell the difference in armor on your own reference photos of crusaders, You said plate mail was inflexible and heavy Dont know the difference between real and fake armor.
@sc0pl355 he shield of the Renaissance began to see less and less use on the battlefield. This at least partially owes to the development of better body armour. Since many soldiers and knights began wearing some sort of plate armour, the shield was an unnecessary form of protection, and a fighter could instead opt for using both hands on his weapon. source h tt p:// w w w. myarmoury. c om /feature_shield .h tm l
@sc0pl355 I have backed up everything ive said you are just too stupid or lazy to read a short article h tt p:// w w w .thearma.o r g/essays/armoredlongsword. h t m l explains most of what i said perfectly htt p :// w ww . samurai-archives . co m /s ts. ht ml Katanas true use. h t t p :/ /w w w .myarmoury . c om /feature_jpn_armour. p h p Banded mail or plate mail as you call it. Too bad you are too stupid by admission to read any article debunking your assumptions
@sc0pl355 You say i proved nothing while you refuse to read the evidence. You are a layman in this subject go to the r lee ermey bullshit video thread you like so much and make some of your claims there. You dont have nearly enough knowledge of medieval history to criticize anyone, let alone someone with Thrands experience, on form and technique when you didnt even know what half-swording was before we talked or the difference between a longsword and a Estoc
@sc0pl355 you wont read, you argue for the fuck of it in the face of proof. im done please shut the fuck up the more you talk the more you reveal your stupidity you arrogant cocksucker. you are truly fucking hopeless i will play your childish games no longer you fucking troll
3) I gave you permission to run away with your tail between your legs yesterday. next time think before you go around starting shit with people.
4) You call me ignorant, but you just said that there was a difference between an Estoc and a Longsword when an Estoc is a fucking type of longsword. Gee, I guess you don't know the difference between a Harrier Jet and a Fighter Jet;
@sc0pl355 An Estoc is a unsharpened thrusting sword, a longsword is a sharpened cut and thrust sword. ") I gave you permission to run away with your tail between your legs yesterday. next time think before you go around starting shit with people." I dont run. Furthermore im right, your not i dont need to slink away. by your own admission you wont read proof of your own ignorance on the subject and i have provided more than enough to you though by refusing to read it shows you are the asshurt one
@sc0pl355 An estoc is not a TYPE of longsword, it was a type of SWORD, you fucking DIPSHIT, the longsword is not synonymous with every other type of sword... The stupidity of some people... Please, look up the definition of a longsword then compare that to an Estoc, see how fucking retarded you, just please, do it.
@40OldeEnglish "Your errors also include sending me a picture of CHAINMAILED knights w/ shields as proof that plate armored knights didnt discard them"
Incorrect, I jumped on you because I was focusing on how you were talking about metal armor. Immediately after I saw you actually said plate armor, I showed people from the hundred years war with fucking shields, then you had nothing to say.
@sc0pl355 That plate is a ceramic polymer every bit as hard as steel. NOT KEVLAR. A sword tip has more mass its mass times velocity. soft armor spreads the impact, thus lowering the velocity. Plate armor was made of carbon spring steel. also the surfaces were rounded or wedge shaped, causing glancing blows from arrows and swords. If a sword could simply be thrusted into it no one would have been swinging short one handed maces around.
@sc0pl355 /watch?v=kl-ec6Ub7FM Sword thrusts wont even pierce riveted mail much less the plate worn OVER it. Watch as Not even hard thusts go through. The only way to kill a man in plate is to stab at vulnerable gaps in the shoulders,elbows,groin or sometimes the throat or face or disable him to give a coup de grace
@40OldeEnglish severa; layers of Kevlar are more resistant to penetration than ANY armor used in midevil europe and there are knives out there that can defeat it with the proper amount of force and right angle.
@sc0pl355 Furthermore kevlar is meant to stop ballistic rounds and is only knife resistant, like a medieval Gambeson stop trying to sound like you know what the fuck you are talking about. Plate armor of the knights was the pinnacle of bodily protection lammellar which you seem to think superior, was its predecessor. if it protected better knights wouldnt have wasted their time on plate. Plate is more manueverable than lamellar, it is form fitting and has less dead weight
@sc0pl355 historical samurai armor was 45-75 lbs. knight armor was 45-65 lbs. how is this better? lammelar was around in europe, but it was heavier, less protective, and when it gets wet the threads get soaked making it heavier. /watch?v=xm11yAXeegg and /watch?v=H6IL2giKNN8&feature=related show no slowness or handicapped movement. Japanese used lamellar because its what they knew. Self imposed Isolation is why they never improved on weaponry until the portugese came.
@sc0pl355 Knights armor was articulated and allowed a greater range of motion than lammellar, which wasnt tailored to within millimeters of the wearers body and was just strapped on.
Uh huh, so you think it is a good idea to hold a 'sharp' sword by the blade with your hands to go for a deathblow? Smart. yes heres how /watch?v=7rqP1F36EMY
@40OldeEnglish I wasn't talking about half swording. i was talking about doing a death blow which requires you to hold the sword by the blade with both hands like a bat.
This has been flagged as spam show
choose, a 7 to 8 foot longsword that weighs like cinder blocks or a katana thats lighter than a steel pipe or even a crowbar, come on, its ither 50-50 chance kill with longsword or 75-25 chance of kill with katana
KAORI101CRIMSON 21 hours ago
Comment removed
KAORI101CRIMSON 21 hours ago
ok i understand if you put a viking against a samurai, the samurai still wins but the viking has the chain mail to protect it self, but what happens if its just normal clothing, if your going to kill someone what would you rather drag about with ya a longsword that can break, bend, shatter and be cut against a katana thats been perfected since the 1600's that is practically impossible to slash or bend, the least is get the edge of the blade marks from coliding swords
KAORI101CRIMSON 21 hours ago
the longsword may be used for bruter slashes but the katana is sharper and lighter than the longsword, the longsword may have its advantage with the weight but forged steel against heat tempered low and high carbon steel that can be folded up to 240 times then the longsword cant stand much a chance, brute force may win some battles but swift planned and precise strenght can win over brute strenght
KAORI101CRIMSON 21 hours ago
1.this video is crap 2.to the people who say longsword's are better than katana's then think about this: you have two of the same person, same strenght, same height, same agility, now equip one with the longsword and the other with the katana, think which one will be faster to cut with
KAORI101CRIMSON 21 hours ago
Yeah, I have a darksword armory 11th century viking sword, works great, could probably cut much thicker sheet metal since it's quite large for a 1 handed sword
Meixafuhellzman2 1 week ago
long swords are way better than katanas.
davycrocketful 1 week ago
Christ it's a matter of personal preference I don't get why people get so worked up about it
angryasian2 1 month ago
and lol i find these videos funny as i used a cheap folding pocket knife (15$) to cut some 20 guage sheet steel and then some 18gauge steel to line the bottom of a park grill with (the bottom was burnt out Lol)
hellwolf882 1 month ago
you should do a cutting through pipe video :P
hellwolf882 1 month ago
TRY WITH BOW SHOOTING AND u will know knight armour ARE WAY SUPERIOR
donavonvful 2 months ago
@forbiddenangeldark
""Vikings sword was majority iron.""
Actual research says different:
-- ht*tp:/*/gladius.revistas.csic.e*s/index.p*hp/gladius/article/download/218/222 (Remove stars)
The very most of viking swords have a carbon content of 0,5-0,8% in their cutting edges, many even as much as over1%, that's definitely not 'iron'.
-- ht*tp:/*/ww*w.myarmoury.c*om/feature_bladehardness.h*tml
Hardness varied a lot (soft core, hard edge) but generally edges were ca. 50HRC, in some cases even 58HRC
Protherium 4 months ago
wow, that's some cutting edge stuff...
OfficialBiscuit 4 months ago
I don't think this in anyway prove that sword can cut through plate armor right?
HaNsWiDjAjA 4 months ago
@forbiddenangeldark
No, viking swords were made of steel, they used a similar yet not identical forging process to the katana.
Also the sheet thrand used is 20ga which = 0.8mm twice as thick as what was used in the challenge show, about as thick as the pipe was.
WitheringintheDark 6 months ago
@WitheringintheDark Viking swords were made using pattern welding, which made what is sometimes called 'fabricated damascus steel'. The process is considered more advanced then Japanese forging techniques, and it creates a superior blade for a lot less work.
Not that any of this matters, all these replicas are high-carbon steel, made with modern technology. They all have basically the same effect on a sheet of steel, the shape of the blade doesn't have a significant effect on cutting ability.
spartanwarmaster 6 months ago 2
@spartanwarmaster Twisting rods of steel instead of folding them is hardly more advanced, and with the equipment available to them no less laborious, either. It was a method that achieved the same result in a different way, which is uniformity in the steel through carbon migration. When comparing quality we also see a similar distribution of poor and mediocre blades (common), good blades (common enough) and excellent blades (rare).
Gilmaris 2 months ago
@Gilmaris Yea, probably. Boy, that's an old comment. But anyway, I'm just sick of hearing about the superiority of katanas, I was willing to believe anything in the other direction.
The truth is, who can really say? Not us youtube commenters...
spartanwarmaster 2 months ago
japanese armor is crap i paid 2000$ for a reproduction only to find out my rope dart will penetrate it and my hook swords can dismantle it against 800$ chain mail the rope dart still penetrates and the hooks can rip through with powerfull pull strikes and downward hooks against plate mail the hook swords are useless unless going for gaps the rope dart will cause internal injury the katana will glance off the long sword will cause blunt trama so its not the weapon its how its used
hellwolf882 6 months ago
@hellwolf882 How can you base your opinion on reproduction armour -_-.
TeHGoodReverend 6 months ago
@TeHGoodReverend it was traditional reproduction made with the same materials and the same process as the old ancient armor, it was HAND crafted not someshity machine made replica
hellwolf882 6 months ago
@hellwolf882 Was it Hanwei or from Samuraistore?
TeHGoodReverend 6 months ago
nice tin foil.
vikernespt 6 months ago
@forbiddenangeldark Wouldn't cutting a pipe damage the edge? Plus, to cut iron that's laying on a solid surface is one thing but if it's held like a sword, the object will have some give and will just move a little. That said, I don't think anyone can cut a blade in two on the battlefield.
EhSteve8690 6 months ago
/watch?v=EDkoj932YFo&feature=related what else can i say, this sums it up pretty well
xxmanuelvaldesxx 6 months ago
there is too much other vs katana bashing vids about.The katana guys are "doing" and the others are trying to catch up.Most well made swords in the hands of a well trained person can perform these "static" cuts but the katana guys have already been doing them and cutting contests long ago.Katana cut some things really well and other things poorly-this depends on the primary design of the weapon and blade quality.
jadekayak01 7 months ago
That video was about the skill of the samurai not about the katana's strengths. The katana is much better at slicing through stuff though o_o
TheIphone4thewin 7 months ago
just a big "suck it" to katana
Indabaz 7 months ago 2
@Indabaz /watch?v=RyO46RQhYkQ now shut up
eddy7204 4 months ago
@eddy7204 i am not impressed. almost any sword can do that
Indabaz 4 months ago
@Indabaz im not impressed either just want you to stop talking crap
eddy7204 4 months ago
@eddy7204 wasnt talking crap you tool, if you dont like it, dont read it. See Welt "der Wunder - Katana vs. Schwert - Teil 2" and be Disillusioned
Indabaz 4 months ago
@Indabaz whatever dumbass im not impressed not a bit and it also depends on the person holding the sword but you dont get these kins of things i guess
eddy7204 4 months ago
@eddy7204 the katana broke you stupid asshole, thats the sword not the person. but i guess you dont get these things.
Indabaz 4 months ago
@Indabaz katanas and swords are not the same a katana is used with concentration + a certain amount of strenght while a sword is all strenght im done arguing with you internet badass
eddy7204 4 months ago
@eddy7204 good, guess your fat fingers got tired of trying to find the right keys, now go jerk off to you anime you katana fantool
Indabaz 4 months ago
@eddy7204 based on what? European swords perform the same on cuts. European steel was far ahead of japans due to the blast furnace. There is skill required with every sword, and the viking longsword weighs pretty damn close to a katana.
40OldeEnglish 3 months ago
@40OldeEnglish whatever
eddy7204 3 months ago
@eddy7204 h t t p://w ww .th earma . org/essays/weights. h t m The average weight of any normal sized sword, regardless of culture is between 2.5-3.5 lbs. European knights were every bit as skilled as were vikings, samurai, you name it, a lack of skill in war is death and these were all professional fighting men whose only job was war.
40OldeEnglish 3 months ago
@40OldeEnglish i said whatever if you wanna keep on arguing knock yourself out
eddy7204 3 months ago
@eddy7204 Then dont make false bullshit comments
40OldeEnglish 3 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@40OldeEnglish false bullshit comments ? i do whatever the fuck i want if you dont like it fuck off dont read
eddy7204 3 months ago
well done now cut a bb in half thats flying in your direction
grimrotten 8 months ago
@grimrotten too right-no amount of sword style bashing can detract from that amazing piece of cutting skill
jadekayak01 7 months ago 2
Hmm, not to be an ass, but that's not a clean cut. You used your strength to plow through the metal with a hack, the other guy cut cleanly through the metal. I don't think anyone thinks that a Katana is so special that it is the only weapon that can penetrate metal armor.
the other guy's cut left both sides of the metal as smooth edges, yours left the metal looking like it is torn. The idea of the exercise was to perform a clean cut, not just hack through it.
sc0pl355 8 months ago
@sc0pl355 I have a video not included here that shows the cut it was a clean cut you can not plow through the metal so to speak I own several katana by the way and it is not as impressive to cut the metal using the sword two handed.
ThegnThrand 7 months ago
@ThegnThrand It was my understanding that you can plow through any material with enough force. It was also my understanding that one hand used in making a two handed cut with a katana is to deliver the force while the second hand helps guide the blade to make a proper cutting motion instead of hacking.
The japanese video wasn't to see if the sword was magically strong or saying that it was impossible to cut that sheet. It was about cutting cleanly. The video above looked like you hacked it.
sc0pl355 7 months ago
@sc0pl355 Not to be an ass, but that all means jack shit. Penetration is penetration and if there was an unfortunate SOB behind that, he'd be dead either way.
This is like arguing ballistics on guns. At the end of the day, if you get hit, it's going to ruin your weekend.
wharghoul 3 months ago
@wharghoul The difference is that one way is more difficult than the other. Also, one way gives less wear and tear on your weapon than the other does. If you just go plowing through everything in battle then you risk your sword breaking in mid combat, then you're royal fucked.
"This is like arguing ballistics on guns. At the end of the day, if you get hit, it's going to ruin your weekend."
Yeah, except the ballistics of a gun can make the difference between the target surviving and dying.
sc0pl355 3 months ago
@sc0pl355 No sword cuts metal armor, period. You have to remember the other video is flashy bullshit
40OldeEnglish 3 months ago
@40OldeEnglish Where did I say anything about cutting armor? Nowhere. Also, the other video wasn't making a claim about cutting armor. The guy cut a metal sheet.
Also... No sword cuts through metal armor? Did you just say that? If that's the case, then armies would have stopped using swords in the bronze age when people started wearing armor. I guess knights didn't need shields because their regular armor was more than good enough to defeat swords and other edged weapons. /s
sc0pl355 3 months ago
Comment removed
eddy7204 3 months ago
@sc0pl355 No Sword buts armor. But 90% of soldiers (the non elite) had no armor. This is why plate armored knights discarded the shield and sA sword could still kill an armored man, but only when thrusting at the gaps in the armor, which is why you see pointy, tapered tips on later swords in the medieval age. A curved sword is only good vs light leather armor.
40OldeEnglish 3 months ago
@40OldeEnglish "This is why plate armored knights discarded the shield"
Except you're wrong. SOME knights discarded shields so that they can use two handed swords and pole arms. If they were using a one-handed sword, they'd carry a shield.
"which is why you see pointy, tapered tips on later swords in the medieval age"
Someone's never seen a gladius.
continued...
sc0pl355 3 months ago
@sc0pl355 dude the Gladius is from roman times no one used that after rome. The shield was largely useless except in jousting b/c plate combat required more grappling and two handed weapons have more leverage and power like for instance the poleaxe or halberd
40OldeEnglish 3 months ago
@40OldeEnglish "the Gladius is from roman times no one used that after rome."
I was mentioning that because you seem to think that making pointed swords was some kind of innovation or something.
"The shield was largely useless"
NO! Shields weren't useful against polearms but they were VERY effective against swords, hammers and axes. Midevil armor was not indestructible. One attempt to hack through a full curiass with a broadsword, by someone with 0 skill, would dent the fuck out of it.
sc0pl355 3 months ago
@sc0pl355 No but pre plate mail you have a fatter sword tip more of a chopping design. a cuirass would not bend at all really vs a sword edge you would just damage a good sword /watch?v=osTQrJ_axfc&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PLF71702DA43721619. The gladius was short and fat and designed for thrusting, but vs unarmored opponents and vs. heavy armor they had to go for gaps just like the knights did.
40OldeEnglish 3 months ago
@40OldeEnglish "A curved sword is only good vs light leather armor."
Look, first off, you can thrust with Katanas as well as many other curved blades. Secondly, Katanas are curved because that makes it easier to draw the blade from the saya.
Also, plate armor may be resistant to being cut, but it is like saying that a bullet proof vest is resistant to being penetrated by bullets. Also, I never fucking brought up armor, you did. You're the one talking about the shit like it is indestructible.
sc0pl355 3 months ago
@sc0pl355 Katanas are curved to slice unarmored men in civilian combat during the Edo period. it could thrust but the wide tip makes poor thrusts against armor. h tt p :// w ww .samurai-archives. c om/sts.h t m l tells the true tale of the japanese sword. The bow and Yari were what samurai used in battle, a katana was used in desperation. I bring up armor b/c you say the katana cuts metal better, which is untrue, as it cant cut metal in any practical battlefield sense
40OldeEnglish 3 months ago
@sc0pl355 by the 15th century when Full Plate armor came into bieng, knights stopped using a shield on the field, only in judicial combat and dueling or jousting. I didnt say plate was indestructible, but read up Hans Talhoffer the main source of info on armored fighting in europe, Says only a fool or a desperate man tries to slice or cut at plate and all armored combat description from medieval fighting manuals show only grappling/diarming and or thrusting technique.
40OldeEnglish 3 months ago
@40OldeEnglish "15th century when Full Plate armor came into bieng, knights stopped using a shield on the field"
Then why do the knights in this painting depicting the crusades have shields?
xenophongroup. c o m / montjoie/ sep16_05. j p g
Here's another.
pages. usherbrooke. c a / croisades/ big_images/ c_croisade1_combat. j p g
Another one.
w w w. bhibooks. n e t / i / / Chronicles_Crusades176. j p g
continued.
sc0pl355 3 months ago
@sc0pl355 You do realize that full plate didnt exist in the crusades right? all these pictures are of chainmailed knights of the 1100's-1300's The knights of st. john were the only holy order still in the holy land in the age of plate, and they used no shields, often firing arquebus before using a Longsword or pole-weapon
40OldeEnglish 3 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@40OldeEnglish "You do realize that full plate didnt exist in the crusades right?"
Fine then. Hundred years war.
covers. openlibrary. o r g/ w/ id/ 266617-L. j p g
badattitudes. c o m/ MT / ahundred. j p g
In this pic, the guy on the horse is wearing full plate, has a blue shield and a lance.
tiny url. c o m / 7hwr6jk
Close-up of a 15th century shield
tiny url. c o m / 73vugw9
sc0pl355 3 months ago
@40OldeEnglish Also, fucking STFU with your strawman attacks. I never fucking brought up the Armor thing, YOU DID. You came out of the blue talking about how no sword can cut through armor even though I never made that claim.
"read up Hans Talhoffer the main source of info on armored fighting in europe"
Here it is right here.
tiny url. c o m / 86m2w4m
There's not a single instance in the book where it says you can't cut through metal. Plate is just resistant, not impervious to cuts.
sc0pl355 3 months ago
@sc0pl355 heres another video from thrand and it isnt even a real breastplate /watch?v=avnjDouvuRc&feature=related
40OldeEnglish 3 months ago
@sc0pl355 h t tp :// w w w.thearma . o r g/Manuals/Gladiatoria/Gladiatorie_part2 . ht m shows real
Talhoffer armored fighting techniques h tt p:// w w w .thearma.o r g/essays/armoredlongsword. h t m l explains my point perfectly. You came here to discuss history talking about how a katana cuts metal better and how european swords were swung with force, all false claims. if you say something be prepared to back it up dont get mad when you are called out over assumption
40OldeEnglish 3 months ago
@40OldeEnglish "You came here to discuss history"
Kindly quote me saying a single fucking thing about history.
I said that the guy in THIS video hacked through the metal sheet while the Japanese guy that he's mocking CUT CLEANLY through his, that's fucking IT. Last I checked, they were both fucking still alive and those videos were filmed sometime in the last century, jackass.
I said that one way was skillful while the other was not. Then you came in talking about fucking armor and shit.
sc0pl355 3 months ago
@sc0pl355 Why you getting mad? It cut it just as well and this guy knows wayy more shit about this than you. Hello dude these are historical weapons used by modern reenactors talking about their application is historical You blowhard. you are just pissed because you made an assinine comment. The samurai video was trick cutting bullshit and was all to impress people who know nothing about the real weapons. It didnt cut any better you sound like a fat 30 yr old Japanophile
40OldeEnglish 3 months ago
@sc0pl355 No one was stupid enough to damage a good sword swinging it against a cuirass. thats hollywood bullshit. Even a Claymore wont cut Plate mail though it might break bones underneath the armor if you strike wrists/elbows etc. but this is why europeans use half swording techniques. If armor could be cut no one would bother and would just wear chainmail or leather riding jacks.
40OldeEnglish 3 months ago
@40OldeEnglish I said from jump street that plate was cut resistant, but you're a total retard if you think the shit is totally impervious to penetration. Bullet-proof vests are resistant to gunshots but every once in a while a hit WILL defeat even the best bullet-proof armor. Same thing with midevil full-plate armor. I never fucking said that theuy provided no protection, just that you're stupid to claim that nothing can cut through it, which is simply not true. Any defense can be defeated.
sc0pl355 3 months ago
@sc0pl355 You cant cut metal with a sword dummy. no practitioner alive or dead used cutting techniques vs plate as it will get you killed. There is a weakness in every armor, and with plate it is the gaps. There is not one account anywhere that says plate was ever "cut". Nobody bothered because it didnt work h tt p:// w w w .thearma.o r g/essays/armoredlongsword. h t m l once again read it and learn instead of believing myths
40OldeEnglish 3 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@40OldeEnglish "You cant cut metal with a sword"
The guy in this video did. Steel is a metal.
"no practitioner alive or dead used cutting techniques vs plate as it will get you killed."
I NEVER FUCKING SAID THAT THEY DID! People don't train to shoot AT bullet-proof vests or grab fruit from the TOP of trees where they are harder to get.
That's it. fucking quote me saying shit-all about cutting armor with a sword before you came in and started attacking me.
sc0pl355 3 months ago
@40OldeEnglish So yeah, before you respond to anything else I said AFTER you strated jumping all over me about the fucling armor that I never mentioned to begin with. fucking quote me saying a damn thing about history and armor, jackass.
I was talking about the different results of the cut made in this video and the POINT of the Japanese guy cutting the steel sheet. The point wasn't to cut the sheet in half, the point was to cut cleanly.
sc0pl355 3 months ago
@sc0pl355 "The difference is that one way is more difficult than the other. Also, one way gives less wear and tear on your weapon than the other does. If you just go plowing through everything in battle then you risk your sword breaking in mid combat, then you're royal fucked." So you said a katana cuts metal better making it more durable in combat and because it is sharp? Razor edges break easily. Also Thrand cuts with just the tip of a dull viking sword Same result.
40OldeEnglish 3 months ago
@40OldeEnglish "So you said a katana cuts metal better making it more durable in combat and because it is sharp?"
1) THAT quote made no mention of history as you can still use a sword to defend yourself and kill other people today.
2) NOWHERE in that quote did I ever say a damn thing about cutting through fucking plate armor or any other type of armor. My entire statement was pointing out that recklessly swinging your sword about and hacking is not good for the life of the blade. THAT'S ALL!
sc0pl355 3 months ago
@sc0pl355 "Hmm, not to be an ass, but that's not a clean cut. You used your strength to plow through the metal with a hack, the other guy cut cleanly through the metal. I don't think anyone thinks that a Katana is so special that it is the only weapon that can penetrate metal armor." NO SWORD CUTS METAL ARMOR
40OldeEnglish 3 months ago
@40OldeEnglish "NO SWORD CUTS METAL ARMOR"
I fucking said penetrate, not cut, you fucking jackass. If I stab a metal cuirass, I WILL penetrate.
sc0pl355 3 months ago
@sc0pl355 It wont slash cut or penetrate you idiot even with the stab it wil do little more than dent the breastplate. If you watched the video seen earlier you would know that instead of running your mouth talking shit.
40OldeEnglish 3 months ago
@40OldeEnglish " even with the stab it wil do little more than dent the breastplate."
Wow, you're a fucking moron. Fucking archery remained effective vs armor for thousands of years until firearms hit the scene. I don't know why you think metal breastplates were indestructible.
watch this video.
watch?v=EDkoj932YFo
Looks like they penetrated the breastplate by stabbing it to me. If you were wearing that breastplate, would you still say that a sword can not penetrate metal armor?
sc0pl355 3 months ago
@sc0pl355 im going to re post because obviously you didnt watch this /watch?v=avnjDouvuRc&feature=related
40OldeEnglish 3 months ago
@40OldeEnglish Where the fuck is his follow through? It looks like he's attacking the surface of that armor and there is no power in his strikes/stabs. And he's using ONE HAND to try and stab.
Firstly, he needs to use two hands, to put his weight into the blows/stabs and aim for the back of the rig, not the surface. The exact reason why he failed to cut cleanly in this video is a major contributor to his failure to stab through that breastplate.
sc0pl355 3 months ago
@sc0pl355 Also look at the video of thrand "cutting" the cuirass he is using a one handed arming sword so he cant swing with two hands,besides according to you he should have a shield in his other hand fighting a plate armored man anyway. he uses the katana with two hands and it doesnt do shit. research "Real" techniques not flashy circus cutting bullshit and anime
40OldeEnglish 3 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@40OldeEnglish "so he cant swing with two hands"
he can stab with two hands.
"he uses the katana with two hands and it doesnt do shit."
His form and execution were poor. He hacked at the breastplate, he didn't make a dedicated or skillful effort.
"research "Real" techniques "
I just said the guy's technique was piss poor. A wallhanger could penetrate that armor in the right hands.
sc0pl355 3 months ago
@sc0pl355 Arrows werent used against plate armor you fucking noob they might shoot a horse out from under a knight so foot knights and infantry could finish him, but arrows in medieval combat were meant to kill large mass formations of unarmored pikemen. If you could make peasant troops rout, you could surround and overwhelm the knights who wouldnt be able to get away quickly. Even agincourt french knights killed there 75% died from severed legs or stabs to the face
40OldeEnglish 3 months ago
@40OldeEnglish You know what dude, you weren't there. You're the same guy that said that shields weren't used in the 15th century, yet there's solid proof that they were used during the 100 years war.
sc0pl355 3 months ago
@sc0pl355 the hundred years war was mostly in the 14th century in the TRANSITION from mail to plate. Common soldiers could and did use a shield especially the pavise during a siege. But plate armored knights didnt outside of jousting or charging. theres a reason the longsword is a two handed sword
40OldeEnglish 3 months ago
@40OldeEnglish "the hundred years war was mostly in the 14th century "
53 years of the 100 years war were in the 15th century.
sc0pl355 3 months ago
@sc0pl355 Knights still didnt use shields with full plate armor there was no need.
40OldeEnglish 3 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@40OldeEnglish "Knights still didnt use shields with full plate armor there was no need."
I've shown paintings in which they did.
sc0pl355 3 months ago
@sc0pl355 There is not one shred of historical documentation to back up your claims. There is not one historical account of a cuirass bieng cut or punctured by a sword. Hans Talhoffer says "it is only the inexperienced fool who tries to strike plate with the edge of a blade"
40OldeEnglish 3 months ago
@40OldeEnglish "There is not one shred of historical documentation to back up your claims."
Paintings of people in full plate using shields during the 100 years war. Pictures of 15th century shields.
"Hans Talhoffer says"
Yeah, that's the EDGE, not the point, jackass. Also, I never fucking argued the combat practicality of attacking the armor instead of the joints. In fact, I likened it to harvesting fruit from the top of a tree instead of the low hanging fruit, you boob.
sc0pl355 3 months ago
@sc0pl355 read the articles i posted from ARMA Until you do i have no desire to continue a battle of wits with an unarmed man.
40OldeEnglish 3 months ago
@40OldeEnglish Yeah, talk about being unarmed, you've been making excuses every step of the way. Yeah, but you don't seem to know that longswords aren't supposed to be sharp. Thought that all katanas were made of folded steel, which is a myth propagated by the highlander films. Doesn't know WHY katanas are curved among a whole host of things.
Yeah, you can run away now.
sc0pl355 3 months ago
@sc0pl355 God your fucking stupid a longsword was sharp enough and cut just as fine as any katana. All real katanas are made of folded steel how else are they made? I never said i didnt know why katanas are curved, all curved swords are designed to slice unarmored flesh better. The paintings you refer to are done by monks cloistered away in monasteries and usaully a hundred years after the actual battle. You talk all this big shit but you thought crusaders wore plate.
40OldeEnglish 3 months ago
@40OldeEnglish A longsword wasn't razor sharp idiot. Hell, that book you keep citing even has a technique that REQUIRES the wielder to hold the fucking sword in his hands by the BLADE like a cudgel to do a death blow!
"you thought crusaders wore plate."
Plate armor has been around for thousands of years. Hell, the Japanese has plate armor in the fucking 5th century before it was outmoded by armor that was lighter and provided more maneuverability.
sc0pl355 3 months ago
@sc0pl355 Show me japanese plate! Jesus christ your stupid. Saumurai armor weighed between 45-75 pounds, same or heavier than the average 55lb field plate. Nothing to say about the vids huh? your not very good at this are you? Samurai armor was actually quite unwieldy as it was form fitted to the samurais body like plate.
40OldeEnglish 3 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@40OldeEnglish "Show me japanese plate! "
5th century
i829. photobucket. c o m /albums /zz219 /gadgilla /Tanko-2. j p g
16th century
upload. wikimedia. o r g/ wikipedia/ commons/ 2/ 2e/ NanbanDo. j p g
"Saumurai armor weighed between 45-75 pounds, same or heavier than the average 55lb field plate."
Have you ever actually worn plate armor? I have, the shit is a full day workout.
"Nothing to say about the vids huh?"
Not interested in your vids, child.
sc0pl355 3 months ago
@sc0pl355 I didnt say a longsword was razor sharp you skew my words so you dont sound like so much of a retard. I said it was sharp. a longsword doesnt have to be razor sharp to cut well /watch?v=HNEBpu8eDsU but it isnt as dull as the wall hanger in the ermey video
40OldeEnglish 3 months ago
@40OldeEnglish "I said it was sharp."
Uh huh, so you think it is a good idea to hold a 'sharp' sword by the blade with your hands to go for a deathblow? Smart.
You can cleave through flash just fine with a blade that's not incredibly sharp. I bet that sword from the video could cut a chunk out of a person with no problem with a strong swing.
Also, the sword in the video that you linked was not any sharper than the video that I pointed out. Also, they are different swords.
sc0pl355 3 months ago
@sc0pl355 and you criticize thrand for not usind two hands swinging a one handed arming sword. You DID say armor could be damaged from edge strikes stop back pedaling. No one used shields in the age of plate because you couldnt use anti armor half-sword techniques designed to thrust at gaps in the armor.
40OldeEnglish 3 months ago
@40OldeEnglish "you criticize thrand for not usind two hands swinging a one handed arming sword."
I criticize him for hacking instead of cutting, using one hand to make a half hearted stabbing attempt and missing the point of cutting the sheet of metal in half.
"You DID say armor could be damaged from edge strikes"
Did I? Prove it. I said that the armor can be penetrated. I never said anyone was going to slice through the shit like it is made of butter.
sc0pl355 3 months ago
@sc0pl355 I know you never said it will cut like butter retard im telling you it cant be penetrated by a sword thrust Jesus christ read one fucking article or watch one of these videos and youll see how wrong you are. You did say armor could be damaged from sword strikes numbnuts thats why you sent me that weaboo-shit ermey video with the fake armor. A bullet is travelling at a velocity that is humanly impossible to replicate with a damn sword point
40OldeEnglish 3 months ago
@40OldeEnglish " I know you never said it will cut like butter"
You're ACTING like I said that, jackass.
"You did say armor could be damaged from sword strikes"
Yeah? Now you're going to argue that it is impossible to damage armor with heavy sword strikes?
"A bullet is travelling at a velocity that is humanly impossible to replicate with a damn sword point"
The point is that the rifle round is softer than the armor is.
sc0pl355 3 months ago
@sc0pl355 Yes but travelling at a much higher velocity. It is impossible to damage armor with a sword strike you might break a bone below the armor if you wit a wrist or other joint. Swords were expensive and no one wasted theirs trying to batter an object just as hard as the sword itself. its common sense dumbass. Why bring up kevlar? its designed to stop Bullets not swords. a sword thrust is far harder than a knife thrust and any soft armor will fail this way, which is why plate was invented
40OldeEnglish 3 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@40OldeEnglish "It is impossible to damage armor with a sword strike"
watch?v=osTQrJ_axfc
it is stabbed by a guy with 0 skill. Also, if I swing at a cuirass and dent it, it is damaged. End of story.
"Swords were expensive and no one wasted theirs trying to batter an object just as hard as the sword itself."
I never said that it was a good idea to try and cut through armor, only that it can be penetrated.
"its designed to stop Bullets not swords."
watch?v=Vz3YE2NkON4
sc0pl355 3 months ago
@sc0pl355 read your own source material your armor is bronze gilded pig iron not steel here is another example h t t p : / / w w w. enotes . co m /topic/Japanese_armour It isnt steel, and its a form of banded mail not plate. These were thick and very heavy unlike the european armor of later centuries. Even then nobody is going to try striking or piercing the actual cuirass
40OldeEnglish 3 months ago
@40OldeEnglish "your armor is bronze gilded pig iron not steel"
I never claimed that it was steel. I said *Plate Armor*. It doesn't have to be made from steel to be plate armor.
"Even then nobody is going to try striking or piercing the actual cuirass"
Quote me saying that the preferred method of attacking an armored foe was to attack the armor.
Also, in this video, a Crossbow with a steel tipped bolt is defeated by a kevlar stab plate. What were you saying about a sword penetrating Kevlar?
sc0pl355 3 months ago
@sc0pl355 Yes but there is a great deal of difference between wrought iron and steel. an effective steel cuirass is far thinner and much stonger. Also this was not plate it was banded mail. you attempted to show this as some reason lammellar was superior, as if the japanese had plate before but moved on. BS. If that was the case why did samurai copy portugese armor in the 16th century?
40OldeEnglish 3 months ago
@40OldeEnglish "but there is a great deal of difference between wrought iron and steel."
YOU said show you plate armor, that's what i showed you.
"this was not plate it was banded mail"
No, it is plate. It just looks different from western plate armor.
"you attempted to show this as some reason lammellar was superior,"
Quote me saying that lammeller is superior.
"as if the japanese had plate before but moved on."
They did, but that doesn't mean it is superior.
sc0pl355 3 months ago
@sc0pl355 You never said thrusting directly into a cuirass was the favored method, but you said it was possible though there is no proof of this whatsoever. No one did it because it WASNT POSSIBLE. Thats the whole point of even wearing it
40OldeEnglish 3 months ago
@40OldeEnglish "You never said thrusting directly into a cuirass was the favored method, but you said it was possible though there is no proof of this whatsoever"
No proof other than several videos of people thrusting swords into metal breastplates.
"No one did it because it WASNT POSSIBLE."
Incorrect. It was possible, it wasn't preferable because it is not the most effective angle of attack, you leave yourself wide open and it isn't very good for your weapon either.
sc0pl355 3 months ago
@sc0pl355 Prove it was possible. i have given ample proof it WASNT. You cant even pierce riveted mail in such a way. you will do only cosmetic damage and not even hurt the wearer. Plate armor is superior, is it wasnt europeans would have used the Lammellar that was ALREADY THERE
40OldeEnglish 3 months ago
@40OldeEnglish "i have given ample proof it WASNT."
No, you didn't. you made the assertion that it wasn't while I linked several vids of people penetrating metal armor by thrusting a sword into it.
"Plate armor is superior,"
I never fucking said that it was weak or could be cut through as though it were butter. >:(
sc0pl355 3 months ago
@sc0pl355 YOU SHOWED ONE R LEE ERMEY VID nothing else you bullshitter the type of ceramic these plates you talk about are thermoplastic resin a ceramic compound NOT KEVLAR
40OldeEnglish 3 months ago
@40OldeEnglish "YOU SHOWED ONE R LEE ERMEY VID nothing else"
I showed this video watch?v=osTQrJ_axfc and this one watch?v=EDkoj932YFo
that's two videos, dumbass. Need a calculator? I mean, I know you're slow, so go get one, I'll wait.
"the type of ceramic these plates you talk about are thermoplastic resin"
No you're trying to say that they were completely flexible because the guy heated them up. I mean, that's what thermoplastic resin does. No, jackass, they were kevlar.
sc0pl355 3 months ago
@sc0pl355 you never linked that video. besides no one pierces the cuirass. putting a pinhole in it with a tapered thrusting sword isnt penetrating it in any practical sense. This armor is also stationary its strapped to a fucking rock. a man wearing it might get pushed back from the force of the thrust but it would not pierce the plate, let alone the gambeson underneath
40OldeEnglish 3 months ago
@40OldeEnglish "you never linked that video"
Yes I did.
"ineedtomakeaquickexcusebecauseihavetoprovethateuropeanarmorisimpervioustonuclearbombardmentfromorbit"
Whatever.
sc0pl355 3 months ago
@sc0pl355 look at the picture again "this was not plate it was banded mail"
No, it is plate. It just looks different from western plate armor. see the horizontal bands? the split down the middle? this armor laces up in the front its not a solid cuirass here is a better preserved kofun h ttp :// en. wikipedia. o r g/wiki/File:KofunCuirass .j p g
40OldeEnglish 3 months ago
@40OldeEnglish "see the horizontal bands?"
No. I see that the thing is composed of a metal sheet that wraps around the body and has reinforced metal bands bolted to it. if you look at the interior, it is a relatively flat surface.
" this armor laces up in the front"
Where are the holes for the laces? Also, a cuirass straps on the sides and shoulders. Do I have to show you pictures? I would hope you're not that stupid.
sc0pl355 3 months ago
@sc0pl355 once again show someone thrusting through a breastplate, not R. Lee Ermey attacking a costume
40OldeEnglish 3 months ago
@40OldeEnglish "once again show someone thrusting through a breastplate"
I showed you a second video with a guy that had 0 skill stabbing through a metal breastplate. You said it was impossible to damage metal armor with a sword, but there it is.
I never made a claim that it was a good fucking idea or that japanese armor had force fields or that Katanas can shave atoms off of dark matter. Let the shit go.
sc0pl355 3 months ago
@sc0pl355 What video? You only linked the Fake ass R. Lee Ermey. since you obviously dont know what a real breastplate looks like /watch?v=1FwmygmJMuM you are the one who went into attack mode talking shit and not backing it up.
40OldeEnglish 3 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@40OldeEnglish I already know what a real breastplate looks like.
"you are the one who went into attack mode talking shit and not backing it up."
First off, YOU attacked ME, jackass. I was fucking done commenting here then YOU decided to tap me on the shoulder and start up with me, so you can stfu there. Secondly, I backed my shit up, you're the one that said that shit was impossible and stuff like that after I showed that it is possible.
sc0pl355 3 months ago
@sc0pl355 Ok what did you think of the thrusting videos i showed you? if a sword couldnt pierce riveted mail, why would they bother switching to a system that could be pierced? utter nonsense and in the face of facts you still argue
40OldeEnglish 3 months ago
@40OldeEnglish "Ok what did you think of the thrusting videos i showed you?"
I told you. I thought he was going at it wrong when he was trying to stab. He was attacking the surface with half-hearted strikes and thrusts. I know for a fact that, if his life depended on that shit, he'd put some power into that.
sc0pl355 3 months ago
@sc0pl355 This guy knows way more about sword technique and use than you thats fairly obvious due to your belief in hollywood myths and your many errors in identifying period arms and armor. That you didnt read my articles shows what a dumbfuck you are argueing with the burden of proof right in front of you. You are a willfully ignorant and overassuming prick. My "silly" ass buried you in proof and all you can come up with was bullshit.
40OldeEnglish 3 months ago
@40OldeEnglish "your belief in hollywood myths"
I never propagated a hollywood myth, dumbass.
"errors in identifying period arms and armor."
What errors? Plate armor has been around since ancient greece.
" My "silly" ass buried you in proof "
You didn't provide me with proof mr 'knights didn't use shields.
sc0pl355 3 months ago
@sc0pl355 You called iron banded mail plate armor, couldnt tell the difference in armor on your own reference photos of crusaders, You said plate mail was inflexible and heavy Dont know the difference between real and fake armor.
40OldeEnglish 3 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@40OldeEnglish "You called iron banded mail plate armor"
It isn't iron banded mail, jackass.is=t is solid metal plates with reinforced metal bolted to it, you're blind.
sc0pl355 3 months ago
@sc0pl355 he shield of the Renaissance began to see less and less use on the battlefield. This at least partially owes to the development of better body armour. Since many soldiers and knights began wearing some sort of plate armour, the shield was an unnecessary form of protection, and a fighter could instead opt for using both hands on his weapon. source h tt p:// w w w. myarmoury. c om /feature_shield .h tm l
40OldeEnglish 3 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@40OldeEnglish "he shield of the Renaissance began to see less and less use on the battlefield."
Because GUNS were starting to appear on the battlefield. Since they can defeat any armor, there was no point.
sc0pl355 3 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@sc0pl355 I have backed up everything ive said you are just too stupid or lazy to read a short article h tt p:// w w w .thearma.o r g/essays/armoredlongsword. h t m l explains most of what i said perfectly htt p :// w ww . samurai-archives . co m /s ts. ht ml Katanas true use. h t t p :/ /w w w .myarmoury . c om /feature_jpn_armour. p h p Banded mail or plate mail as you call it. Too bad you are too stupid by admission to read any article debunking your assumptions
40OldeEnglish 3 months ago
@sc0pl355 You say i proved nothing while you refuse to read the evidence. You are a layman in this subject go to the r lee ermey bullshit video thread you like so much and make some of your claims there. You dont have nearly enough knowledge of medieval history to criticize anyone, let alone someone with Thrands experience, on form and technique when you didnt even know what half-swording was before we talked or the difference between a longsword and a Estoc
40OldeEnglish 3 months ago
@40OldeEnglish "You say i proved nothing while you refuse to read the evidence"
I don't read it because I know that pisses you off.
"You dont have nearly enough knowledge of medieval history to criticize anyone"
What does midevil history have to fucking do with physics or the difference between cutting or hacking?
"you didnt even know what half-swording "
I knew what half swording was.
"or the difference between a longsword and a Estoc"
An Estoc is a longsword, dumbass.
sc0pl355 3 months ago
@sc0pl355 you wont read, you argue for the fuck of it in the face of proof. im done please shut the fuck up the more you talk the more you reveal your stupidity you arrogant cocksucker. you are truly fucking hopeless i will play your childish games no longer you fucking troll
40OldeEnglish 3 months ago
@40OldeEnglish "shut the fuck up"
1) Fucking MAKE me.
2) Wow, you're really butthurt. Amazing.
3) I gave you permission to run away with your tail between your legs yesterday. next time think before you go around starting shit with people.
4) You call me ignorant, but you just said that there was a difference between an Estoc and a Longsword when an Estoc is a fucking type of longsword. Gee, I guess you don't know the difference between a Harrier Jet and a Fighter Jet;
sc0pl355 3 months ago
@sc0pl355 An Estoc is a unsharpened thrusting sword, a longsword is a sharpened cut and thrust sword. ") I gave you permission to run away with your tail between your legs yesterday. next time think before you go around starting shit with people." I dont run. Furthermore im right, your not i dont need to slink away. by your own admission you wont read proof of your own ignorance on the subject and i have provided more than enough to you though by refusing to read it shows you are the asshurt one
40OldeEnglish 3 months ago
@40OldeEnglish "An Estoc is a unsharpened thrusting sword, a longsword is a sharpened cut and thrust sword. "
An Estoc is a variation of longsword dingus.
"I dont run."
Then stick around and entertain me today.
"you wont read proof "
That's because you're making an obvious argumentum verbosum fallacy.
"you are the asshurt one"
Says the guy that keeps coming back to attack me. Look, you started this, I gave you permission to slink away. I respond to every comment made to me.
sc0pl355 3 months ago
@sc0pl355 read the articles or shut the fuck up
40OldeEnglish 3 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@40OldeEnglish "read the articles"
No.
"shut the fuck up"
No.
sc0pl355 3 months ago
@sc0pl355 An estoc is not a TYPE of longsword, it was a type of SWORD, you fucking DIPSHIT, the longsword is not synonymous with every other type of sword... The stupidity of some people... Please, look up the definition of a longsword then compare that to an Estoc, see how fucking retarded you, just please, do it.
bud389 3 weeks ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@bud389 "An estoc is not a TYPE of longsword, it was a type of SWORD"
A longsword is a type of sword, dumbass.
"longsword is not synonymous with every other type of sword... The stupidity of some people..."
I know that.
cont...
sc0pl355 3 weeks ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@bud389
"look up the definition of a longsword then compare that to an Estoc"
en. wikipedia. o r g/ wiki/ Estoc - "The estoc was a variation of the longsword designed for fighting against mail or plate armour."
w w w. thearma. o r g/ terms4. h t m
"As a convenient classification, long-swords include great-swords, bastard-swords, and *estocs*."
sc0pl355 3 weeks ago
This dude just shit his pants in defense of a particular classification of sword. hehehe
steevorocker 2 days ago
@steevorocker Not really, it's really the only way to get facts through the thick-shit skulls of completely assinine fucktards like yourself.
bud389 2 days ago
@sc0pl355 Your errors also include sending me a picture of CHAINMAILED knights w/ shields as proof that plate armored knights didnt discard them
40OldeEnglish 3 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@40OldeEnglish "Your errors also include sending me a picture of CHAINMAILED knights w/ shields as proof that plate armored knights didnt discard them"
Incorrect, I jumped on you because I was focusing on how you were talking about metal armor. Immediately after I saw you actually said plate armor, I showed people from the hundred years war with fucking shields, then you had nothing to say.
sc0pl355 3 months ago
@40OldeEnglish forgot to link the video.
Dw3mTAadXRY
crossbow vs a stab plate.
I suppose next you're going to say that a sword in a man's hands can deliver greater force per square inch than a fired crossbow bolt.
sc0pl355 3 months ago
@sc0pl355 That plate is a ceramic polymer every bit as hard as steel. NOT KEVLAR. A sword tip has more mass its mass times velocity. soft armor spreads the impact, thus lowering the velocity. Plate armor was made of carbon spring steel. also the surfaces were rounded or wedge shaped, causing glancing blows from arrows and swords. If a sword could simply be thrusted into it no one would have been swinging short one handed maces around.
40OldeEnglish 3 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@40OldeEnglish "That plate is a ceramic polymer every bit as hard as steel."
Gee, for it to be a ceramic plate, it sure is very flexible even in the hand of the guy talking.
Here is the plate he used.
w w w. stabproofvest. co. uk/ html/ covert_extras. h t m l
Notice that it is rolled up in one picture? You can't roll up ceramic plates.
"A sword tip has more mass its mass times velocity"
To penetrate and object, you need a lot of force to be concentrated into a small area.
sc0pl355 3 months ago
@sc0pl355 /watch?v=kl-ec6Ub7FM Sword thrusts wont even pierce riveted mail much less the plate worn OVER it. Watch as Not even hard thusts go through. The only way to kill a man in plate is to stab at vulnerable gaps in the shoulders,elbows,groin or sometimes the throat or face or disable him to give a coup de grace
40OldeEnglish 3 months ago
@40OldeEnglish severa; layers of Kevlar are more resistant to penetration than ANY armor used in midevil europe and there are knives out there that can defeat it with the proper amount of force and right angle.
sc0pl355 3 months ago
@sc0pl355 Furthermore kevlar is meant to stop ballistic rounds and is only knife resistant, like a medieval Gambeson stop trying to sound like you know what the fuck you are talking about. Plate armor of the knights was the pinnacle of bodily protection lammellar which you seem to think superior, was its predecessor. if it protected better knights wouldnt have wasted their time on plate. Plate is more manueverable than lamellar, it is form fitting and has less dead weight
40OldeEnglish 3 months ago
@40OldeEnglish "Furthermore kevlar is meant to stop ballistic rounds and is only knife resistant"
Kevlar is bullet and knife resistant. Most knives will not penetrate it even with a incredibly dedicated stab.
"Plate armor of the knights was the pinnacle of bodily protection lammellar which you seem to think superior"
The Japanese favored maneuverability over weighing themselves down.
i829. photobucket. c o m/ albums/ zz219/ gadgilla/ Tanko-2. j p g
5th century japanese plate armor.
sc0pl355 3 months ago
@sc0pl355 historical samurai armor was 45-75 lbs. knight armor was 45-65 lbs. how is this better? lammelar was around in europe, but it was heavier, less protective, and when it gets wet the threads get soaked making it heavier. /watch?v=xm11yAXeegg and /watch?v=H6IL2giKNN8&feature=related show no slowness or handicapped movement. Japanese used lamellar because its what they knew. Self imposed Isolation is why they never improved on weaponry until the portugese came.
40OldeEnglish 3 months ago
@40OldeEnglish "historical samurai armor was 45-75 lbs. knight armor was 45-65 lbs. how is this better?"
The weight isn't the issue, the flexibility is.
sc0pl355 3 months ago
@sc0pl355 Knights armor was articulated and allowed a greater range of motion than lammellar, which wasnt tailored to within millimeters of the wearers body and was just strapped on.
40OldeEnglish 3 months ago
@sc0pl355 "I said it was sharp."
Uh huh, so you think it is a good idea to hold a 'sharp' sword by the blade with your hands to go for a deathblow? Smart. yes heres how /watch?v=7rqP1F36EMY
40OldeEnglish 3 months ago
@40OldeEnglish I wasn't talking about half swording. i was talking about doing a death blow which requires you to hold the sword by the blade with both hands like a bat.
Also, that sword is not what I'd call sharp.
sc0pl355 3 months ago
@sc0pl355 you need to research your weapo