lololo...what skanky losers......I love how these bannana losers are back pedaling now since every store and politician are boycotting Chiquita...I will never buy from those losers again
@ronnyjoejimbob You ever been to Alberta? where are you from? My response to your "filthy bastards" comment..you are a typical uneducated cousin lovin' hillbilly....suck it.
This is the STUPIDEST thing I have ever seen...when was the last time you pulled up to a gas pump labeled Canadian Oil made this gasoline ...you people are so bloody stupid...not to mention Chiqiuita is one of the mmost conflict ridden companies in the USA...you should be embarrassed...1/2 of these tree huggers don't have a clue what's going on in Canada...meanwhile the US is the second largest emitter in the world behind China...enjoy dealing with Iran..that's a much more ethical country.
At least Chiquita is TRYING to boycott the filthy bastards at Fort Mac, the Occupy Wall St. protesters are TRYING to change crooked banking, Green Peace is TRYING to stop the extinction of whales by cowards from Japan. If we don't try, we don't win. PetroCanada, Shell, Esso just to name a few are oil sands producers.
@RonnyJoeJimBobby LOLOL....Im loving the fact that its impacting these stupid bannana loving tree huggers, all Chiquita did was lose market share and show how dumb these LIBTARDS are.
I'm interested to see exactly how Chiquita, or anyone else can boycott "tar sands fuel". Is there a separate pump at the station labeled "conflict oil only"? Or maybe the fruit companies have their own refinery? If you want to boycott Chiquita, do it because they were convicted and fined $25 million dollars in 2007 for supplying aid to Colombian terrorist organisations. Not because their trucks and ships run on the same fuel as EVERYONE ELSE!
College types can be so foolish and narrow-minded.
Hey geniuses, 'oil' is a reality that society is stuck with someone invents a useable alternative energy source. That alternative does not yet exist on any large scale.
So since for now we have to buy oil, buy it from a place like Canada. Suggesting that instead we should get oil from totalitarian, oppressive places like the Middle East is truly foolish.
@bladder1010 hmmmm ...I'm sure that you'd like your wager to be solid but the physical evidence appears more like 'moonscape' than forest ...oops
clearly "Gaia's oil spill" was more balanced than the claim that "we started cleaning up"
if the cleaning up story were true then why are the 'clean ups' of the spills and spews from the current production areas being jumped at asbeing an opportunity for proving the "cleaning up claim"
@gaiagale Hmm, let's see ... I've worked in the Ft. McMurray area for over 10 years. When was the last time you were here? What that? Never? Oh, I see.
@bladder1010 I thought so yet your initial comment was and I quote "I'd wager there's more forest around northern Alberta now, than before we started cleaning up Gaia's oil spill"
that aside I read that you have convinced yourself ...so be it
I'm done ...I wish you a wonderful oil spill free 2011
If these fucktards ever show up at my local Safeway, they are gonna get their fronts knocked out !!! Long live the patch and to hell with Chaquita !!!!
I live in Fort McMurray and I will tell you that what the media and these so called environmentalist have no idea and are promoting false information! If you don't want our oil don't come crying when everyone else runs out! Ban Chiquita from Canada, Ethical oil only!
gaiagale is correct. That's why you can open pit mine the oilsands in about 2% of it's area. It's at the surface where it's been leeching into the environment since the last Ice Age ended!!!!!! The rest is heated underground and pumped out like a conventional oilfield without tearing up the landscape.
@Billy2Tubes I found your comment while reading others ...reading "gaiagale is correct" caused me to question 'correct about what? exactly' ...I am interested too in your "you can open pit mine ... in about 2% of it's area" concept ...in fact your comment on the whole fascinates me in that if I've understood your comment you propose a method that could be an effective less toxic alternative to the current methods of production
your comment suggests that you have experience in 'oil production'
Chicquita has been known to ship cocaine into the US with their shitty bananas...also funding death squads in south america. Sounds like an ethical company to me.
And I don't know how many times I have to explain this on you tube...TAR is a man-made substance. It is called OILsands people. Fuck, you assclowns are completely braindead.
"And I don't know how many times I have to explain this on you tube...TAR is a man-made substance. It is called OILsands people. Fuck, you assclowns are completely braindead."
I have asked all of my friends to boycott all of chiquita's products until they mind their own business and leave us Canadians alone. Our oil is not confiict oil, we treat our people and women fairly, not like Saudi Arabia.
Im not going to do anything about it because Id go to Jail for the rest of my life if I did. Hmm I wonder why the rest of all you dont do jack but wine and nag. Likely same reason. But hey when you all ready to take up arms let me know... As long as a few million people got my back Im game ;) but I think we all see how far protesting and nagging goes.. ;) Live and let DIE!! Good Bye Forests... Hell Im going to go BUY some dole products right now!!!
Oh and P.S. In most cases, if not all cases the conglomerate scumbags are NOT Local. So who are they to parade into a new town and do what ever they wish because they have Power? WHEN Will the people realize they have the power. I guess when they are ready to give up the play stations and notebook computers. Its kind of a trade of so QUIT Nagging. Its we the people who allow this shit to happen anyway so why does ANYONE even cry over it? Do something about it or shut the F up.
Gaiagale, what makes you believe these people CHOOSE to live at this place? Its typical for conglomerate scum to say the people made a free choice to live where the conglomerate bastards $hit. But the FACT is these people lived in these places for Hundreds if not thousands of years before these scum bags even descovered Oil. So who made what choice? The only choice of the matter is the choice people are making to NOT stop this Shit, ALL OF IT!! Raise ARMS if you have to. If talking doesnt work!
@McIFamilyVideos I just found your comment ...I do believe people choose ...life is choice
even if people have lived there for thousands of years that they are still living "at this place"means that they continue to make a choice to live there
I support the plea to stop the exploitation of these people ...the land ...the water
I think we are on the same wave length ...we as citizens of the earth can stop the multi national conglomerates ...we can if we work together wisely and peacefully
(not to be a jerk but...) my biggest pet peeve is when someone decides to fight for a specific cause and other people start saying, "but what about this one? or this one?" even thought they are important too. Come on now, you can't overload the masses. You gotta be specific.
only Canada's mining of oil? ...it has been awhile since I've eaten a banana and or Dole products ...still I get the point
I think it IS time to stop the oil production of the tar sands ...indeed there is enough evidence that the effort is producing a barren land expanse as well as poisoning the water ways which in turn is affecting proportionately the people who chose to live there. ...that aside ...at least for the moment
thanks for sharing this vid ...this reminder that we do have choice
@gaiagale Posioning waterways? In the warm summer months when the sun heats the banks of the rivers and lakes, the oil in the sand liquifies and flows into the lakes and rivers on it's own. come and see for you self. it's been flowing into the rivers on its own for thousands of years.
@CrazyTrain7073 That is right! if anything they are cleaning up the biggest oil spill ever. Yes it was an oil spill that was already there, but they are still cleaning it up so why all the complaining?
@jmcclungish great point...and Im loving the fact that Alberta will sell to China if the Socialist marxist in the white house doesnt get his act together, and the middle east falls into the hands of the muslim brotherhood
@robbb661 I am not sure what you are talking about. While the United States has returned to the theories of Keynes; they are more in line with Hayek than Canada will ever be. Canada had far more social programs then the United States. The Canadian Government has made many attempts to privatize a number industries they still hold fast to what could be called the "commanding heights" of social welfare. While USSR at one time had Marxist-Leninism Canada could be said to have Marxist-Harperism.
@CrazyTrain7073 interesting perspective ...the moon scape that is in evidence now is a result of people ...the land tells a tale of something other than on "it's own"
thanks for seeing my comment and making time to reply
@gaiagale The poisoning of the waterways is happening without human intervention. The oil that naturally exists at the surface is running into streams and rivers. by mining this soil, pulling the oil out and then reclaiming the land to a healthy natural state the oil sands are stopping the pollution of waterways. That is what I meant by cleaning up. It is in fact a natural oil spill that humans had nothing to do with but we are cleaning it up.
@jmcclungish when I read this reply I see that you have put a lot of thought into your reasoning ...I think you want to believe "by mining this soil, pulling the oil out and then reclaiming the land to a healthy natural state the oil sands are stopping the pollution of waterways" ...the physical evidence alone fails to support your claim to "a healthy natural state" ...the closed door negotiations and the secrecy is simply more evidence contrary to "a healthy natural state" ...I could go on
@gaiagale The physical evidence I am assuming that you are referring to is the state of the land during the mining process. The land is then "reclaimed" and turned back into a healthy natural state without the oil seeping from the surface (so healthier than it was prior to the mining). Sure it does not look pretty but neither do the cities that most of live in. The difference is that the concrete landscapes that we live in are not returned to a natural state.
@jmcclungish The aesthetic appeal of the landscape does not qualify a situation as good or bad. The outcome of the situation may... In this case the production of oil (from the mining method) indeed does pollute more than drilling methods. However it also does clean up the polluting of waterways. The question then is does the elimination of the natural pollution negate any of the man made pollution. The next issue is a comparison of the alternative.
@jmcclungish If we are not going to discuss the human rights issues of the conflict oil that is the alternative to Oil Sands oil and simply bring it down to terms of pollution then it becomes quite simple. Ocean liners that bring the oil across the ocean emit 15 per cent of the world’s nitrogen and sulfur dioxide. This is far worse than the pollution from the oil sands even without taking into consideration the "cleaning" done by the oil sands. Oil sands are the environmentally friendly choice.
@jmcclungish I agree the ethics of developing and processing the oil oozing from the tar sands is more than just a polution issue in the same way that transporting natural resources and 'goods' (I use the term loosely) across oceans is.
We can work together in understanding that supporting local business is our business. Cleaning up our own backyards is where we can begin
As to "taking ... the "cleaning" done by the oil sands" we must demand that the process become CLEAN or STOP.
@jmcclungish 'Oil sands are the environmentally friendly choice." again I think you'd love this to be true and quite frankly I'd love it to be true too but the thousands of hectares of 'moon scape' evidences otherwise. The time to stand up ...to speak up is now ...the raping and pilaging of the land and water for a quick buck must stop NOW The people who are reaping the enormous profits must be held responsible for the clean up of past and current 'oil production failures' NOW
@jmcclungish yes you are correct in your presumption yet "The physical evidence" is the strongest evidence ...the proof that the development and production methods have and still are failing to do as you claim ...as the propaganda 'team' claims.
as to "look pretty" would be lovely however surely you realize the oil sand production has deviated far beyond an appearance issue ...the issue is now a global poisoning threat and an abdicating of responsibility for doing so...the list goes on and on
@gaiagale The physical evidence that you keep mentioning is the "moon scape" which is the during mining process. Over 70 square kilometers of land has been reclaimed and the rate at which the reclamation is occurring is accelerating. The oil sands are also becoming cleaner all the time. however you continue to ignore the alternative. Societies addiction to oil in general is not going to stop over night. As a result the oil has to come from somewhere.
@jmcclungish The alternative is in fact conflict oil which itself is a serious pollutant to the environment especially when considering the pollution during shipping of this oil. So yes once again Oil Sands oil is the environmentally friendly choice. It is also the ethical choice when considering both the environmental impact (once again remember the pollution of shipping) and the human rights impact. This does not even take into consideration the other toxic waste of shipping and ship breaking.
@jmcclungish I repeat "where can Canadians buy Canadian oil and gas?!?!? ...we have the right to buy locally ...within Canada I mean ;-])
We have earned the right to buy Canadian ...surely we can buy our own "Canadian Oil"
the very same people promoting the 'cleanup story' refuse to acknowledge that we have earned the right to buy Canadian ...surely we can buy our own Canadian Oil & Gas/cleanup products' cheaper than other countries can given the transportation cost is ocean free
@jmcclungish ...I'm curious as to what you mean when you use "conflict oil"
beyond that
I've decided that the 'clean up' story is worthy of consideration but I must see proof to support the concept ...So far the evidence supports the abdication of responsibility for 'cleaning up' when the 'current technology and methods' fail
so far the 'cleaning up' responsibility has been taken to court while volunteers do what they can to save all that they can
@jmcclungish thank-you for getting back to me so quickly ..this exchange/sharing of ideas is interesting ...I still beIieve that you are presenting the truth as you know it so I humbly put to you that IF the 'cleaning up' story were true then why are the 'clean ups' of the spills and spews from the current production methods being left to spread and/or taken to the courts ...these 'cleaning up' could be swift and effective as well as an opportunity for proving the "cleaning up claim"
@jmcclungish as to "you continue to ignore the alternative" I know this to be a claim that is outside of truth ...I am doing everything I can to live as a fellow citizen rather than a consumer or an "addict to oil" ...I choose to live mindfull of 'alternatives'
that aside for the moment
Indeed ...the oil is coming from somewhere ...from our land but where can Canadians buy Canadian oil and gas?!? I want to buy Canadian oil and gas. ...we have the right to buy locally ...within Canada I mean
lololo...what skanky losers......I love how these bannana losers are back pedaling now since every store and politician are boycotting Chiquita...I will never buy from those losers again
robbb661 1 month ago
@ronnyjoejimbob You ever been to Alberta? where are you from? My response to your "filthy bastards" comment..you are a typical uneducated cousin lovin' hillbilly....suck it.
brewguy100 2 months ago
This is the STUPIDEST thing I have ever seen...when was the last time you pulled up to a gas pump labeled Canadian Oil made this gasoline ...you people are so bloody stupid...not to mention Chiqiuita is one of the mmost conflict ridden companies in the USA...you should be embarrassed...1/2 of these tree huggers don't have a clue what's going on in Canada...meanwhile the US is the second largest emitter in the world behind China...enjoy dealing with Iran..that's a much more ethical country.
brewguy100 2 months ago
@brewguy100 astute observation (the name calling I can do without) regarding "Canadian Oil"
where can Canadians buy Canadian oil and gas?!?!? I want to buy Canadian oil and gas. ...we have the right to buy locally ...within Canada I mean ;-])
We have earned the right to buy Canadian ...surely we can buy our own "Canadian Oil"
cheaper than other countries can especially within our own land boundries.
gaiagale 1 month ago
At least Chiquita is TRYING to boycott the filthy bastards at Fort Mac, the Occupy Wall St. protesters are TRYING to change crooked banking, Green Peace is TRYING to stop the extinction of whales by cowards from Japan. If we don't try, we don't win. PetroCanada, Shell, Esso just to name a few are oil sands producers.
RonnyJoeJimBobby 2 months ago
@RonnyJoeJimBobby LOLOL....Im loving the fact that its impacting these stupid bannana loving tree huggers, all Chiquita did was lose market share and show how dumb these LIBTARDS are.
robbb661 2 months ago
I'm interested to see exactly how Chiquita, or anyone else can boycott "tar sands fuel". Is there a separate pump at the station labeled "conflict oil only"? Or maybe the fruit companies have their own refinery? If you want to boycott Chiquita, do it because they were convicted and fined $25 million dollars in 2007 for supplying aid to Colombian terrorist organisations. Not because their trucks and ships run on the same fuel as EVERYONE ELSE!
harvminer 2 months ago
College types can be so foolish and narrow-minded.
Hey geniuses, 'oil' is a reality that society is stuck with someone invents a useable alternative energy source. That alternative does not yet exist on any large scale.
So since for now we have to buy oil, buy it from a place like Canada. Suggesting that instead we should get oil from totalitarian, oppressive places like the Middle East is truly foolish.
jackmesa 2 months ago
@jackmesa I agree they are indoctrinated daily by leftists and are generally dumber than dirt
robbb661 2 months ago
Saudi loving hyprocrite. Try that outfit in a Saudi Arabian Safeway toots
spreckt 2 months ago
I'd wager there's more forest around northern Alberta now, than before we started cleaning up Gaia's oil spill.
bladder1010 2 months ago
@bladder1010 hmmmm ...I'm sure that you'd like your wager to be solid but the physical evidence appears more like 'moonscape' than forest ...oops
clearly "Gaia's oil spill" was more balanced than the claim that "we started cleaning up"
if the cleaning up story were true then why are the 'clean ups' of the spills and spews from the current production areas being jumped at asbeing an opportunity for proving the "cleaning up claim"
gaiagale 1 month ago
@gaiagale Hmm, let's see ... I've worked in the Ft. McMurray area for over 10 years. When was the last time you were here? What that? Never? Oh, I see.
I've yet to see any "moonscape" around here.
bladder1010 1 month ago
@bladder1010 one only has to fly over with one's eyes open to see the evidence
I repeat "if the cleaning up story were true then why are the 'clean ups' of the spills and spews from the current production being" ...avoided
surely they could jumped at the chance to provide evidence that the 'clean up' claims are true
gaiagale 1 month ago
@gaiagale And when, exactly, was the last time you flew over Fort McMurray? What's that? Never? Oh, I see.
As for the rest of your comment, I have no idea what you're on about -- and I suspect you don't either.
bladder1010 1 month ago
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@bladder1010 I thought so yet your initial comment was and I quote "I'd wager there's more forest around northern Alberta now, than before we started cleaning up Gaia's oil spill"
that aside I read that you have convinced yourself ...so be it
I'm done ...I wish you a wonderful oil spill free 2011
gaiagale 1 month ago
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gaiagale 1 month ago
Click on my channel and then the two links on the left, and then let's all:
BOYCOTT DAMN CHIQUITA BANANAS !!!
CDA's ETHICAL OIL vs. CONFLICT OIL & FRUITS
401RoadWarrior 2 months ago
If these fucktards ever show up at my local Safeway, they are gonna get their fronts knocked out !!! Long live the patch and to hell with Chaquita !!!!
TheRebbler 2 months ago
I live in Fort McMurray and I will tell you that what the media and these so called environmentalist have no idea and are promoting false information! If you don't want our oil don't come crying when everyone else runs out! Ban Chiquita from Canada, Ethical oil only!
capermechanic 2 months ago 2
BTW - Most of the "Smoke" they show in the video is not smoke...it's STEAM!!!
Billy2Tubes 2 months ago 2
gaiagale is correct. That's why you can open pit mine the oilsands in about 2% of it's area. It's at the surface where it's been leeching into the environment since the last Ice Age ended!!!!!! The rest is heated underground and pumped out like a conventional oilfield without tearing up the landscape.
Billy2Tubes 2 months ago
@Billy2Tubes I found your comment while reading others ...reading "gaiagale is correct" caused me to question 'correct about what? exactly' ...I am interested too in your "you can open pit mine ... in about 2% of it's area" concept ...in fact your comment on the whole fascinates me in that if I've understood your comment you propose a method that could be an effective less toxic alternative to the current methods of production
your comment suggests that you have experience in 'oil production'
gaiagale 1 month ago
Chicquita has been known to ship cocaine into the US with their shitty bananas...also funding death squads in south america. Sounds like an ethical company to me.
And I don't know how many times I have to explain this on you tube...TAR is a man-made substance. It is called OILsands people. Fuck, you assclowns are completely braindead.
Mk1rceme 2 months ago
@Mk1rceme
"And I don't know how many times I have to explain this on you tube...TAR is a man-made substance. It is called OILsands people. Fuck, you assclowns are completely braindead."
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA you just made my night!!!
Sstephen1985 2 months ago
@Sstephen1985 You are correct. Tar is actually made from trees. Mostly pine but sometime birch.
CrazyTrain7073 2 months ago
I have asked all of my friends to boycott all of chiquita's products until they mind their own business and leave us Canadians alone. Our oil is not confiict oil, we treat our people and women fairly, not like Saudi Arabia.
justanoldman1 2 months ago
@justanoldman1 I'm doing the same now!
Sstephen1985 2 months ago
@Sstephen1985 Thank you very much, that makes about 25 people from facebook and u-tube. We can make a difference.
justanoldman1 2 months ago
Nice try losers.
snowdog139 2 months ago
leave my banana's alone cause if it aint monkey business then it aint business at all lol....
pwolikin 3 months ago
Im not going to do anything about it because Id go to Jail for the rest of my life if I did. Hmm I wonder why the rest of all you dont do jack but wine and nag. Likely same reason. But hey when you all ready to take up arms let me know... As long as a few million people got my back Im game ;) but I think we all see how far protesting and nagging goes.. ;) Live and let DIE!! Good Bye Forests... Hell Im going to go BUY some dole products right now!!!
McIFamilyVideos 4 months ago
Oh and P.S. In most cases, if not all cases the conglomerate scumbags are NOT Local. So who are they to parade into a new town and do what ever they wish because they have Power? WHEN Will the people realize they have the power. I guess when they are ready to give up the play stations and notebook computers. Its kind of a trade of so QUIT Nagging. Its we the people who allow this shit to happen anyway so why does ANYONE even cry over it? Do something about it or shut the F up.
McIFamilyVideos 4 months ago
Gaiagale, what makes you believe these people CHOOSE to live at this place? Its typical for conglomerate scum to say the people made a free choice to live where the conglomerate bastards $hit. But the FACT is these people lived in these places for Hundreds if not thousands of years before these scum bags even descovered Oil. So who made what choice? The only choice of the matter is the choice people are making to NOT stop this Shit, ALL OF IT!! Raise ARMS if you have to. If talking doesnt work!
McIFamilyVideos 4 months ago
@McIFamilyVideos I just found your comment ...I do believe people choose ...life is choice
even if people have lived there for thousands of years that they are still living "at this place"means that they continue to make a choice to live there
I support the plea to stop the exploitation of these people ...the land ...the water
I think we are on the same wave length ...we as citizens of the earth can stop the multi national conglomerates ...we can if we work together wisely and peacefully
gaiagale 1 month ago
(not to be a jerk but...) my biggest pet peeve is when someone decides to fight for a specific cause and other people start saying, "but what about this one? or this one?" even thought they are important too. Come on now, you can't overload the masses. You gotta be specific.
ImGirlAndi 6 months ago
what about the Gulf of Mexico leak? ...and all the other oil rigs spewing gas?
gaiagale 6 months ago
only Canada's mining of oil? ...it has been awhile since I've eaten a banana and or Dole products ...still I get the point
I think it IS time to stop the oil production of the tar sands ...indeed there is enough evidence that the effort is producing a barren land expanse as well as poisoning the water ways which in turn is affecting proportionately the people who chose to live there. ...that aside ...at least for the moment
thanks for sharing this vid ...this reminder that we do have choice
gaiagale 6 months ago
@gaiagale Posioning waterways? In the warm summer months when the sun heats the banks of the rivers and lakes, the oil in the sand liquifies and flows into the lakes and rivers on it's own. come and see for you self. it's been flowing into the rivers on its own for thousands of years.
CrazyTrain7073 2 months ago 2
@CrazyTrain7073 That is right! if anything they are cleaning up the biggest oil spill ever. Yes it was an oil spill that was already there, but they are still cleaning it up so why all the complaining?
jmcclungish 2 months ago
@jmcclungish Not sure why everyone is complaining. I'm all for the oil sands. Been working there now for almost 10 years
CrazyTrain7073 2 months ago
@jmcclungish ..." cleaning up " ?!?!?!?
gaiagale 2 months ago
@gaiagale Yes, that is what I said... Take a trip up there and educate yourself rather than listening to hearsay!
jmcclungish 1 month ago
@jmcclungish cleaning up indeed ...I guess one can justify anything...
so to educate myself I must follow your example oh educated ONE
the physical evidence is clear ...the 'clean up' (as you put it) is the problem
gaiagale 1 month ago
@jmcclungish great point...and Im loving the fact that Alberta will sell to China if the Socialist marxist in the white house doesnt get his act together, and the middle east falls into the hands of the muslim brotherhood
robbb661 2 months ago
@robbb661 I am not sure what you are talking about. While the United States has returned to the theories of Keynes; they are more in line with Hayek than Canada will ever be. Canada had far more social programs then the United States. The Canadian Government has made many attempts to privatize a number industries they still hold fast to what could be called the "commanding heights" of social welfare. While USSR at one time had Marxist-Leninism Canada could be said to have Marxist-Harperism.
jmcclungish 1 month ago
@CrazyTrain7073 interesting perspective ...the moon scape that is in evidence now is a result of people ...the land tells a tale of something other than on "it's own"
thanks for seeing my comment and making time to reply
gaiagale 2 months ago
@gaiagale The poisoning of the waterways is happening without human intervention. The oil that naturally exists at the surface is running into streams and rivers. by mining this soil, pulling the oil out and then reclaiming the land to a healthy natural state the oil sands are stopping the pollution of waterways. That is what I meant by cleaning up. It is in fact a natural oil spill that humans had nothing to do with but we are cleaning it up.
jmcclungish 1 month ago
@jmcclungish when I read this reply I see that you have put a lot of thought into your reasoning ...I think you want to believe "by mining this soil, pulling the oil out and then reclaiming the land to a healthy natural state the oil sands are stopping the pollution of waterways" ...the physical evidence alone fails to support your claim to "a healthy natural state" ...the closed door negotiations and the secrecy is simply more evidence contrary to "a healthy natural state" ...I could go on
gaiagale 1 month ago
@gaiagale The physical evidence I am assuming that you are referring to is the state of the land during the mining process. The land is then "reclaimed" and turned back into a healthy natural state without the oil seeping from the surface (so healthier than it was prior to the mining). Sure it does not look pretty but neither do the cities that most of live in. The difference is that the concrete landscapes that we live in are not returned to a natural state.
jmcclungish 1 month ago
@jmcclungish The aesthetic appeal of the landscape does not qualify a situation as good or bad. The outcome of the situation may... In this case the production of oil (from the mining method) indeed does pollute more than drilling methods. However it also does clean up the polluting of waterways. The question then is does the elimination of the natural pollution negate any of the man made pollution. The next issue is a comparison of the alternative.
jmcclungish 1 month ago
@jmcclungish If we are not going to discuss the human rights issues of the conflict oil that is the alternative to Oil Sands oil and simply bring it down to terms of pollution then it becomes quite simple. Ocean liners that bring the oil across the ocean emit 15 per cent of the world’s nitrogen and sulfur dioxide. This is far worse than the pollution from the oil sands even without taking into consideration the "cleaning" done by the oil sands. Oil sands are the environmentally friendly choice.
jmcclungish 1 month ago
@jmcclungish I agree the ethics of developing and processing the oil oozing from the tar sands is more than just a polution issue in the same way that transporting natural resources and 'goods' (I use the term loosely) across oceans is.
We can work together in understanding that supporting local business is our business. Cleaning up our own backyards is where we can begin
As to "taking ... the "cleaning" done by the oil sands" we must demand that the process become CLEAN or STOP.
gaiagale 1 month ago
@jmcclungish 'Oil sands are the environmentally friendly choice." again I think you'd love this to be true and quite frankly I'd love it to be true too but the thousands of hectares of 'moon scape' evidences otherwise. The time to stand up ...to speak up is now ...the raping and pilaging of the land and water for a quick buck must stop NOW The people who are reaping the enormous profits must be held responsible for the clean up of past and current 'oil production failures' NOW
gaiagale 1 month ago
@jmcclungish yes you are correct in your presumption yet "The physical evidence" is the strongest evidence ...the proof that the development and production methods have and still are failing to do as you claim ...as the propaganda 'team' claims.
as to "look pretty" would be lovely however surely you realize the oil sand production has deviated far beyond an appearance issue ...the issue is now a global poisoning threat and an abdicating of responsibility for doing so...the list goes on and on
gaiagale 1 month ago
@gaiagale The physical evidence that you keep mentioning is the "moon scape" which is the during mining process. Over 70 square kilometers of land has been reclaimed and the rate at which the reclamation is occurring is accelerating. The oil sands are also becoming cleaner all the time. however you continue to ignore the alternative. Societies addiction to oil in general is not going to stop over night. As a result the oil has to come from somewhere.
jmcclungish 1 month ago
@jmcclungish The alternative is in fact conflict oil which itself is a serious pollutant to the environment especially when considering the pollution during shipping of this oil. So yes once again Oil Sands oil is the environmentally friendly choice. It is also the ethical choice when considering both the environmental impact (once again remember the pollution of shipping) and the human rights impact. This does not even take into consideration the other toxic waste of shipping and ship breaking.
jmcclungish 1 month ago
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@jmcclungish I repeat "where can Canadians buy Canadian oil and gas?!?!? ...we have the right to buy locally ...within Canada I mean ;-])
We have earned the right to buy Canadian ...surely we can buy our own "Canadian Oil"
the very same people promoting the 'cleanup story' refuse to acknowledge that we have earned the right to buy Canadian ...surely we can buy our own Canadian Oil & Gas/cleanup products' cheaper than other countries can given the transportation cost is ocean free
gaiagale 1 month ago
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gaiagale 1 month ago
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@jmcclungish ...I'm curious as to what you mean when you use "conflict oil"
beyond that
I've decided that the 'clean up' story is worthy of consideration but I must see proof to support the concept ...So far the evidence supports the abdication of responsibility for 'cleaning up' when the 'current technology and methods' fail
so far the 'cleaning up' responsibility has been taken to court while volunteers do what they can to save all that they can
so far foreign buyers pay less than we do
gaiagale 1 month ago
@jmcclungish thank-you for getting back to me so quickly ..this exchange/sharing of ideas is interesting ...I still beIieve that you are presenting the truth as you know it so I humbly put to you that IF the 'cleaning up' story were true then why are the 'clean ups' of the spills and spews from the current production methods being left to spread and/or taken to the courts ...these 'cleaning up' could be swift and effective as well as an opportunity for proving the "cleaning up claim"
gaiagale 1 month ago
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gaiagale 1 month ago
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@jmcclungish as to "you continue to ignore the alternative" I know this to be a claim that is outside of truth ...I am doing everything I can to live as a fellow citizen rather than a consumer or an "addict to oil" ...I choose to live mindfull of 'alternatives'
that aside for the moment
Indeed ...the oil is coming from somewhere ...from our land but where can Canadians buy Canadian oil and gas?!? I want to buy Canadian oil and gas. ...we have the right to buy locally ...within Canada I mean
gaiagale 1 month ago