Just wanted to say that the Declaration of Independence is not a standing document, the Constitution of the United States is. And measuring a majority is not a proper method for assessing the morality of a situation (Slavery in the southern United States during the 17th, 18th, and 19th Centuries is a traditional example).
It is of course at conception.It was in the medical text books that way, until liberal ideology came in and decided it didn't fit with their ides.This is to legitimize abortion.Reality all life begins at conception, bottlom line.
@122651Lil says: It was in the medical text books that way, until liberal ideology came in and decided it didn't fit with their ides. Reality all life begins at conception, bottlom line
~~~~~~~~~ Science has NOTHING to do with abortion. Its about the rights of people,the law, the 5th, 9th, 13th, & 14th Amend.,The Universal Dec. of Human Rights, The Supreme Court, social custom & necessity, Roe v. Wade & NO science
I THINK WHAT MY WIFE WAS TRYING TO SEE WAS WHAT OTHERS OPINIONS WERE ON THE SUBJECT. EVER SENSE OUR SON EVERETT WAS BORN BOTH OUR VIEWS ON LIFE HAS NOT SO MUCH CHANGED BUT STRENGTHENED. THINKING BACK SENSE OUR SON WAS BORN AND THE ADVENTURES WE'VE HAD, I CAN NOT IMAGNE OUR LIVES WITHOUT HIM. I know for myself Everett has strengthened my heart to a whole new level. I LOVE YOU CYNTHIA AND IM PROUD OF YOU. KEEP IT UP :O)
What else is that blob of cells going to turn into? Whatever eases your conscience eh? Its easy to kill something when it cant tell you it wants to live, you don't look it in the eyes, or attach an impersonal scientific name like "fetus" to it. The government is only allowing it as a means on population control. If trashy ppl weren't out there having 8 kids and mooching of welfare all their life,
abortion would still be illegal. Look at it as a medical procedure all you want, its a human life. And the truth is, a very small % of abortions are performed to save a womans life or to get rid of a baby from a rape. Look it up. Most abortions are teenagers who should be educated more on sex, or trashy adults who just have care-free sex, knowing they can abort their mistake and keep their lives "inconveniance-free"
anyway, to give my opinion, asking when humans are "created" is misleading. following that way of thinking, it would seem more logical to say we are created in the testes and ovaries, as a fertilized egg(zygote) is nothing more than a sperm and an egg.
but that is when we are created and that is what im asking...im trying to give a definite yes or no to abortion...and when life begins is not a way to go about it...i found out i was pregnant when i was 4 weeks along and out of wedlock but never thought about abortion adoption yes but not abortion it just seams so selfish
but that's the thing. no one knows when human life begins. but technically it began thousands or millions of years ago. but life itself has been around for billions. the life of the fetus is questionable. not even scientists can pinpoint exactly when it begins. i believe that it's at birth, but that's my opinion. i don't think it's conception because the joining of two cells is really not all that significant (obviously not for the mother/father)and it's drastically different from you or me
is this a joke? you can't honestly be suggesting that 14 people on the internet saying so makes something true. there will never be a sure thing one way or the other, you can't call what anyone thinks about when life starts anything more than an opinion
and its not saying anything is true its just a different view and for everyone who i have talked to that is pro choice are usually liberal and usually they are opened mined about most things but in this case they are closed minded when it comes to looking at abortion in a different light
black rose i was asking when we are created not when life begins....so you made no point ... you people iritate me you only hear and see what you want... so going by your terms you are not a liveing being...in order for someone or something to have be alive you have to have life end of story now if you want replay it and wake up and see what im really talking about
human beings aren't just "created". it takes time for us to become a human being. our parents created us.
how am i not a human being according to my terms?
"in order for someone or something to have be alive you have to have life"
yes, but when a fetus becomes a "life" or a human being is subjective. there is no factual defining point when a fetus becomes a living human being. in my opinion, fetuses become human beings at birth
i personally don't agree with women getting abortions past the point of when a fetus is viable/when it can feel pain (22+ weeks.) but i would never tell a woman what she should do; it's not my place or any of my business. in most states, it's illegal for a woman to get an abortion during the 3rd trimester anyway
i had my first ultra sound at 8 weeks and we could fully see our son. so you can not tell a woman what she can do but you can let a human baby die with out a choice in the matter?
fetuses don't have choices, nor could they ever make one. in order for one to have the right to live, they must also have the right to die. does a fetus have either? nope. btw, killing babies is illegal
so your mother had the choice to murder you (before you were born) and she didnt. also a human baby (after birth) how do they have a right to die there is no law that states that we have a right to die but we have an unalienable right given to us of life. How can they make a choice to live so since human babies dont have choices well they dont have a mental capability to make any choices so it should be okay to murder them too according to your logic since they cant make the choice to live....
my birth mother would be locked up if she murdered me. if she aborted me, however, she would not be locked up; because abortion is not murder. murder is a federal and illegal crime.
insects and animals have no choice when they are killed by humanity. why is it ok to kill them, but not ok to kill a fetus? not that i'm saying it's "ok" or not "ok" to have an abortion.
Now if you look up murder in a thesaurus the following come up... Killing or the act of and also termination. The difference of killing and murder are murder is between two or more humans killing is the act of taking a life that can not, is not , and will not ever be a human. An embryo will become a human so by definition having an abortion in murder. so that answers your questions as to why it is okay to to kill a animal and not murder a human.
So all in all it is okay to kill a animal because it can not become a human and is not a human, it is not okay to murder a human because it is a human. The differences between animals and humans is that we have a soul. Murdering is taking a life with a soul, killing is taking a life for the purpose of food aka animals and in some countries insects too.
how do you know animals have souls are not? and how do you know humans have souls? not everyone believes in that; it's also not a scientific fact. some people think animal have souls. who's to say they're wrong?
life began only once on this planet, over three and a half billion years ago, and hasn't stopped since. a fertilized egg is simply life continuing in a modified form, only one small step removed from the separate sperm and ovum, both alive before joining together, and both representing the unique genetic potential of a human being
human thought requires a fully formed prefrontal cortex, and that happens somewhere in the third trimester, and usually in the middle of the eighth month. so from a biological standpoint, that is possibly when the human life of the embryo starts. btw no one knows exactly when human life begins
if life has only began once than how can it continue its not repetitive in order for life to continue life has to keep occurring its not like we just multiply or clone our selves
technically, a sperm and egg are both alive before joining together. so i guess, male masturbation is a bad thing in your opinion? i mean, they have the potential to create a human being; but they are also alive themselves.
How can they make a choice to live so since human babies dont have choices well they dont have a mental capability to make any choices so it should be okay to murder them too according to your logic since they cant make the choice to live....
im not talking about animals im talking about any human that canot make a decision you said that "fetuses don't have choices, nor could they ever make one." so since they can not make a choice to live or die just like a fetus than how is it not okay to murder them when it is okay to murder a fetus...or what about mentally disabled persons? some of them cannot make a decision for themselves why is it not okay to murder them? and who are we to, as some my say, "play God?"
you keep going back to acting like pro-choicers view is that its ok to "murder" by getting an abortion because the fetus can't think. thats not the case.
its because they are not human. sure they have the potential to become human, in the same way an egg or sperm do, but thats it.
why are animals or other organisms so different? they don't have a choice in the matter when they are killed either.
that makes absolutely no sense since abortion is not murder. you cannot murder a fetus. the fetus has no "right" to be in the body of the mother unless it is there by her permission.
mentally disabled people are sentient and physically independent human beings. if is murder if you decide to kill them
ok but still you have not asnwered my question you said that because an embryo cannot make the decision to live they dont have the right to...but babies cannot make the choice to live or die nor can mentally disabled individuals so can we kill them and not call it murder?
no. let me explain this differently, abortion is not a violation of any right because there is no such thing as the freedom to live inside (or outside) of another human being against the will of that person.
Just wanted to say that the Declaration of Independence is not a standing document, the Constitution of the United States is. And measuring a majority is not a proper method for assessing the morality of a situation (Slavery in the southern United States during the 17th, 18th, and 19th Centuries is a traditional example).
gangsters117 1 month ago
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ABORTION IS DISGUSTING AND IMMORAL. IT IS ALSO MURDER!!! ABORTION SHOULD BE ILLEGAL AND ALL ABORTION CLINICS SHOULD BE SHUT DOWN!!!!
28804ecorrell 3 months ago
It is of course at conception.It was in the medical text books that way, until liberal ideology came in and decided it didn't fit with their ides.This is to legitimize abortion.Reality all life begins at conception, bottlom line.
122651Lil 1 year ago
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@122651Lil says: It was in the medical text books that way, until liberal ideology came in and decided it didn't fit with their ides.
~~~~~~~~ A fetus hasent been seen as a "life" that requires rights since this countrys beginning. Its nothing new and has nothing to do with liberals.
Sueezee1 2 months ago
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@122651Lil says: It was in the medical text books that way, until liberal ideology came in and decided it didn't fit with their ides. Reality all life begins at conception, bottlom line
~~~~~~~~~ Science has NOTHING to do with abortion. Its about the rights of people,the law, the 5th, 9th, 13th, & 14th Amend.,The Universal Dec. of Human Rights, The Supreme Court, social custom & necessity, Roe v. Wade & NO science
Sueezee1 2 months ago
I THINK WHAT MY WIFE WAS TRYING TO SEE WAS WHAT OTHERS OPINIONS WERE ON THE SUBJECT. EVER SENSE OUR SON EVERETT WAS BORN BOTH OUR VIEWS ON LIFE HAS NOT SO MUCH CHANGED BUT STRENGTHENED. THINKING BACK SENSE OUR SON WAS BORN AND THE ADVENTURES WE'VE HAD, I CAN NOT IMAGNE OUR LIVES WITHOUT HIM. I know for myself Everett has strengthened my heart to a whole new level. I LOVE YOU CYNTHIA AND IM PROUD OF YOU. KEEP IT UP :O)
everettsdaddy247 1 year ago
Conception.
And we don't always die when our brain no longer functions .
There is plenty of proof of that right here on youtube.
vulpinerose 1 year ago
What else is that blob of cells going to turn into? Whatever eases your conscience eh? Its easy to kill something when it cant tell you it wants to live, you don't look it in the eyes, or attach an impersonal scientific name like "fetus" to it. The government is only allowing it as a means on population control. If trashy ppl weren't out there having 8 kids and mooching of welfare all their life,
SonsCompassMusic 1 year ago 2
abortion would still be illegal. Look at it as a medical procedure all you want, its a human life. And the truth is, a very small % of abortions are performed to save a womans life or to get rid of a baby from a rape. Look it up. Most abortions are teenagers who should be educated more on sex, or trashy adults who just have care-free sex, knowing they can abort their mistake and keep their lives "inconveniance-free"
SonsCompassMusic 1 year ago
Read oldest message 1st, then the next one. I couldn't fit it all in one message.
SonsCompassMusic 1 year ago
ok for all the people who keep saying life stop it. im asking when we are created.
ThisIsJustLovely 2 years ago
It sounds like you were recording this all quiet at night so that your parents wouldn't hear you staying up past your bedtime.
kidluna 2 years ago
umm no i was talking low so i would not wake up my husband
ThisIsJustLovely 2 years ago
anyway, to give my opinion, asking when humans are "created" is misleading. following that way of thinking, it would seem more logical to say we are created in the testes and ovaries, as a fertilized egg(zygote) is nothing more than a sperm and an egg.
bigrob1051 2 years ago
but that is when we are created and that is what im asking...im trying to give a definite yes or no to abortion...and when life begins is not a way to go about it...i found out i was pregnant when i was 4 weeks along and out of wedlock but never thought about abortion adoption yes but not abortion it just seams so selfish
ThisIsJustLovely 2 years ago
but that's the thing. no one knows when human life begins. but technically it began thousands or millions of years ago. but life itself has been around for billions. the life of the fetus is questionable. not even scientists can pinpoint exactly when it begins. i believe that it's at birth, but that's my opinion. i don't think it's conception because the joining of two cells is really not all that significant (obviously not for the mother/father)and it's drastically different from you or me
blackrose3226 2 years ago
@ThisIsJustLovely says: i was 4 weeks along and out of wedlock but never thought about abortion
~~~~~~~~~ Are YOU glad YOU had a CHOICE?? All women are as happy as YOU are with with the choice THEY made.
Sueezee1 2 months ago
is this a joke? you can't honestly be suggesting that 14 people on the internet saying so makes something true. there will never be a sure thing one way or the other, you can't call what anyone thinks about when life starts anything more than an opinion
bigrob1051 2 years ago
created not when life starts
ThisIsJustLovely 2 years ago
and its not saying anything is true its just a different view and for everyone who i have talked to that is pro choice are usually liberal and usually they are opened mined about most things but in this case they are closed minded when it comes to looking at abortion in a different light
ThisIsJustLovely 2 years ago
i'm not liberal, i'm a libertarian :P and so are most people who claim to be or think they are liberal.
blackrose3226 2 years ago
thank you so much for posting this video!
Oct22lz 2 years ago
black rose i was asking when we are created not when life begins....so you made no point ... you people iritate me you only hear and see what you want... so going by your terms you are not a liveing being...in order for someone or something to have be alive you have to have life end of story now if you want replay it and wake up and see what im really talking about
ThisIsJustLovely 2 years ago
human beings aren't just "created". it takes time for us to become a human being. our parents created us.
how am i not a human being according to my terms?
"in order for someone or something to have be alive you have to have life"
yes, but when a fetus becomes a "life" or a human being is subjective. there is no factual defining point when a fetus becomes a living human being. in my opinion, fetuses become human beings at birth
blackrose3226 2 years ago
so you agree with partial birth abortions then?
ThisIsJustLovely 2 years ago
i personally don't agree with women getting abortions past the point of when a fetus is viable/when it can feel pain (22+ weeks.) but i would never tell a woman what she should do; it's not my place or any of my business. in most states, it's illegal for a woman to get an abortion during the 3rd trimester anyway
blackrose3226 2 years ago
i had my first ultra sound at 8 weeks and we could fully see our son. so you can not tell a woman what she can do but you can let a human baby die with out a choice in the matter?
ThisIsJustLovely 2 years ago
fetuses don't have choices, nor could they ever make one. in order for one to have the right to live, they must also have the right to die. does a fetus have either? nope. btw, killing babies is illegal
blackrose3226 2 years ago
so your mother had the choice to murder you (before you were born) and she didnt. also a human baby (after birth) how do they have a right to die there is no law that states that we have a right to die but we have an unalienable right given to us of life. How can they make a choice to live so since human babies dont have choices well they dont have a mental capability to make any choices so it should be okay to murder them too according to your logic since they cant make the choice to live....
ThisIsJustLovely 2 years ago
my birth mother would be locked up if she murdered me. if she aborted me, however, she would not be locked up; because abortion is not murder. murder is a federal and illegal crime.
insects and animals have no choice when they are killed by humanity. why is it ok to kill them, but not ok to kill a fetus? not that i'm saying it's "ok" or not "ok" to have an abortion.
blackrose3226 2 years ago
Now if you look up murder in a thesaurus the following come up... Killing or the act of and also termination. The difference of killing and murder are murder is between two or more humans killing is the act of taking a life that can not, is not , and will not ever be a human. An embryo will become a human so by definition having an abortion in murder. so that answers your questions as to why it is okay to to kill a animal and not murder a human.
ThisIsJustLovely 2 years ago
So all in all it is okay to kill a animal because it can not become a human and is not a human, it is not okay to murder a human because it is a human. The differences between animals and humans is that we have a soul. Murdering is taking a life with a soul, killing is taking a life for the purpose of food aka animals and in some countries insects too.
ThisIsJustLovely 2 years ago
morality is subjective. i never said it was or was not ok to have an abortion, to kill a human being, or to kill an animal
murder is an ILLEGAL action, and a FEDERAL crime, that is punishable by law.
blackrose3226 2 years ago
how do you know animals have souls are not? and how do you know humans have souls? not everyone believes in that; it's also not a scientific fact. some people think animal have souls. who's to say they're wrong?
blackrose3226 2 years ago
CAN'T HEAR YOU!
angelshoulders 2 years ago
life began only once on this planet, over three and a half billion years ago, and hasn't stopped since. a fertilized egg is simply life continuing in a modified form, only one small step removed from the separate sperm and ovum, both alive before joining together, and both representing the unique genetic potential of a human being
blackrose3226 2 years ago
human thought requires a fully formed prefrontal cortex, and that happens somewhere in the third trimester, and usually in the middle of the eighth month. so from a biological standpoint, that is possibly when the human life of the embryo starts. btw no one knows exactly when human life begins
blackrose3226 2 years ago
created!
ThisIsJustLovely 2 years ago
what kind of response is that?
blackrose3226 2 years ago
if life has only began once than how can it continue its not repetitive in order for life to continue life has to keep occurring its not like we just multiply or clone our selves
ThisIsJustLovely 2 years ago
life is a continuation; not a repetition.
technically, a sperm and egg are both alive before joining together. so i guess, male masturbation is a bad thing in your opinion? i mean, they have the potential to create a human being; but they are also alive themselves.
blackrose3226 2 years ago
How can they make a choice to live so since human babies dont have choices well they dont have a mental capability to make any choices so it should be okay to murder them too according to your logic since they cant make the choice to live....
ThisIsJustLovely 2 years ago
animals, bugs and plants don't have choices when people kill them. i don't see you complaining about that.
when did i ever talk about morality?
blackrose3226 2 years ago
im not talking about animals im talking about any human that canot make a decision you said that "fetuses don't have choices, nor could they ever make one." so since they can not make a choice to live or die just like a fetus than how is it not okay to murder them when it is okay to murder a fetus...or what about mentally disabled persons? some of them cannot make a decision for themselves why is it not okay to murder them? and who are we to, as some my say, "play God?"
ThisIsJustLovely 2 years ago
you keep going back to acting like pro-choicers view is that its ok to "murder" by getting an abortion because the fetus can't think. thats not the case.
its because they are not human. sure they have the potential to become human, in the same way an egg or sperm do, but thats it.
bigrob1051 2 years ago
but what is the difference between an embryo and a human ?
ThisIsJustLovely 2 years ago
why are animals or other organisms so different? they don't have a choice in the matter when they are killed either.
that makes absolutely no sense since abortion is not murder. you cannot murder a fetus. the fetus has no "right" to be in the body of the mother unless it is there by her permission.
mentally disabled people are sentient and physically independent human beings. if is murder if you decide to kill them
blackrose3226 2 years ago
life itself has been around for billions of years.
life doesn't "keep occurring" since it's been around for so long. individual lives are born all the time but that's not what i'm talking about.
blackrose3226 2 years ago
what is YOUR definition of life exactly?
ThisIsJustLovely 2 years ago
my definition of life is quite irrelevant
blackrose3226 2 years ago
id still like to know
ThisIsJustLovely 2 years ago
i don't have a personal definition for life
blackrose3226 2 years ago
ok but still you have not asnwered my question you said that because an embryo cannot make the decision to live they dont have the right to...but babies cannot make the choice to live or die nor can mentally disabled individuals so can we kill them and not call it murder?
ThisIsJustLovely 2 years ago
no. let me explain this differently, abortion is not a violation of any right because there is no such thing as the freedom to live inside (or outside) of another human being against the will of that person.
blackrose3226 2 years ago