Athens vs Sparta, Sokratis and ancient Greece part 1 HQ

[matmanxify]

Why dont they show documentaries like this on viasat history or history channel ?

[zombiedude25]

I think thats Liam Neson's Voice

[zombiedude25]

@zombiedude25 ahhh just saw the cast title

[MW2Hiders]

Sparta is the best city-state in ancient greece the Athenians are wimps.

[sonnetxi]

@MW2Hiders maybe, but less Nazi and more cultural by far

[acerb45666555]

4:33.....ancient trade......its effects are still seen today. modern Hindi's, Punjabi's, etc, wear the very recognizable "Celtic/Mediterrenian" style bracelets. in the movie, (Daku Ram Kali), the female hero wears a Celtic neck ring! (of course, Celts could have got this stuff from India? we will never know who brought the first braclets and neck rings east or west.

[God4Dunoon]

kindergarten version .... find the books.... f't

[njs43]

THIS IS SPARTA!!!!!!!!!11

[xHelenaxChemicalx]

Socrates. * :)

[MrDreamblade]

Was the narrator qui gon jin?

[kodylima]

FAILED SPELLING, its Socrates.

[eragonsaphira777]

@Catachan1brainleaf

I know! I love that people believe Athens to have been such a democratic (by the modern definition) state, but in reality they were so capitilistic, and so sexist that, in my mind, it overshadows the good points. It was odd that a democracy could be so autocratic, and be tyrants to their allies (read:subjects)

Sparta was far more liberal to their women. And actually, made more sense politically. I think that America has proven that Democracy doesn't work in the long term.

[infox1000]

@eragonsaphira777 America has never had a true democracy in the first place. Democracy and capitalism don’t fit together.

[Nakato]

What is this documentary called? I looked for movies narrated by Liam Neeson but couldnt find this. I'm going to link it as a source of information in a essay on Ancient Greece, cant just link the url/the name of this vid lol. plz halp.

[ukusapillage]

im just worried, but tell me they upgraded the acropolis or did some restauration on it, egypt usually restores their old monuments, old stuff only gets older and more broken with time, not better, i know that really old stuff must be kept as it is but castles and monesterys are upgraded all the time they look much better, sorry if i offended you not my intention, i really like ancient greece and world history, i know that with crisis monuments here are also degraded, peace brother

[ukusapillage]

if greece continues like it is now the acropolis will fall to the ground they didnt even tried to at least fix it... from ancient athens theres almost nothing left

[polor89]

@ukusapillage you are soooo fucking stupid for saying that. probably you will have only seen athens and the acropoli 1 or 2 times right ? of course on pc and television ignorant prick

[fistfulofknowledge]

Sparta's role in the Greeco-Persian wars is perhaps one of the most overrated in history. At Marathon they didn't fight due to celebrating a religious festival while the enemy, at Thermopolaye they had only 300 out of the 7000 men and they had no forces at Salamis. Besides Platea, albeit the killer battle in the war, the Spartans involvement in the war was at best average. Indeed without Marathon and Salamis there would be no Plataea because Greece would have been enslaved and subjugated.

[dimalex8]

During Thermopylae, the rest of spartan army(10.000 men) started to fortify the Isthus(the short land pass to peloponese), spartans didnt like to fight wars outside peloponese(they were a very closed society). When Themistocles was informed of that he threatened sparta that if they dont go out he would evacuate athens and move it to sicily. Only then they decided to help athenians, in Salamis spartan soldiers were positioned in islands so to kill persian who escaped.

[dimalex8]

In marathon they did sent an army of 10000 but 2 weeks later. When they were informed that athenians had won they wanted to see the dead persian(as they didnt knew what they looked like). This was very humiliating for sparta and often athenians made fun of them for this. So in Plataea they fought harder than anyone to give an answer to athenians.

[dimalex8]

After thaat spartans fought often persian, Pausanias drove them out of europe, later Agesilaus invaded asia minor and defeated them repeatedly. This led him to plan a campaign to Babylon in order to destroy persia once and for all but was recalled shortly b4 he started cause of the peloponisian war(this led historians call him as the first alexander). Sparta wasnt overated, in fact the 300 inspired the rest of greeks who were considering surrender(except thebans who allied with persia)

[newtsareamazing]

damn you summer school damn you



[HistoryLubber]

...the most glorious city in the ancient world? Man this narrative doesn't even attempt to shy away from the pretenses of Eurocentrism.

[SvitjodsWarrior]

@HistoryLubber Trust me, If you lived during that time, Im pretty shure that Athena would have been a sight for an eye, And quite frankly, Most empires of the medditeranian sea played a part in the formation of "Western civilization"

[xxxfluffylink]

Crappy video, thanks to this shit I have crappy homework

[3XXKeturah]

For genuine information about Socrates’ inhuman, self-interested ambitions and his student Plato’s book eulogising Socrates’ ideal prototypical ‘fascist’ state, The Republic, adopted as the official doctrine of Adolf Hitler’s National Socialist (NAZI) Party, and on the saga of Socrates and Plato, the original traitors to Democracy, see "We the People and the Matter of Words," Essay EIS#10 freely downloadable from the Democracy Defined website Campaign Material webpage.

[MrAugustus88]

The 5th and 4th centuries are dark ages for Greece, there was war, coups, pestilence, piracy, fashist pagan priests, illiteracy and very few intellectuals, the few intelectuals were based in Athens or Ionia. Mant parts of Greece were inhabited by non Greek tribes ie Thracians. It is during the late Roman republic, Roman empire and early Byzantium that Greece became the beakon of civilization. Eg the Aetolians and Epirots lived like primitive pirates.

[bloo0525]

fail only 49k views

[69heba]

you suck

[banndell]

go athenian,get lost sparta.

[kcirdrab]

... why is that regency period music blaring out all thru the show, & what has 1700's chamber music got to do with Classical Greece anyway?? ; (

[BeyondRelativity]

Thanks so much for these videos. I think that it's safe to say that all of Western Civilization is derived from Ancient Greece and their great thinkers. From the United States, I salute you, O Greeks.

[kevinFahring1324]

is that qui-gon-jin speaking?

[workergirls]

Long live my dear Macedonian & Greek working class!

- KGB -

[jrpalaypayon08]

u fools. athenians were a joke to other greek citiy states because of their military skills sucked. the greek city states back in ancient time were shocked when the athenians held off the persians and embarassed them in MArathon. the athenians advantage was their naval warfare but not land warfare, that was the Spartan's specialty. The Spartans and Athenians went off and on during the Peloponnesian War in 431 BC, lasting 28 yrs. Athens and its democracy lost to the Spartans.

[SirGeorge8600]

@jrpalaypayon08 Yea but 4,000 years later everything Greek studied in a university comes from Athens...unless you are going over a battle or two in a general history course then maybe Sparta is mentioned.....

[SkateSurfSnowMedia]

THANK YOU, I have midterms and this helps a lot :)

[BlackRainRose]

Documentariess χίλια ευχαριστώ που το ανέβασες , άκρως ενδιαφέρων

[shitbomp]

the greatest greeks city/states

1.spartans (save greece from persians)

2. macedonians(unite greece + attack and conquer persians)

3.athenians(democrazy,phylosop­hy,geometry,astronomy,physics)

[ChelseaTheBlue01]

@shitbomp Athen also had the best Navy

[shitbomp]

@ChelseaTheBlue01 yes but spartans rape them..... athenians lost 180 ships because they act like retards :)

thats why sparta won the war

they destory their navy and then they blocked their port

[ChelseaTheBlue01]

@shitbomp were sparta didn't not win the sea battle with Athen, what they do it allied with Persian and let Persian fight.

[shitbomp]

@ChelseaTheBlue01 they win....

athenians left the ships and gone to a city to buy suply

then spartans attacked and rape them.....

[DoctorSmurfo]

@shitbomp I'm pretty sure the Athenians had won both main battles that mainly ended the Persian Wars the 1st The Battle at Marathon and the 2nd The battle at Salamis they made the Persians flee

[shitbomp]

@DoctorSmurfo athenians did a lot for greece but dont forget spartans hold persians at hotgates

10,000 greeks(at the end 300 stay the others left) vs 250.000 persians

[muf321]

@shitbomp when did the spartans save greece from the persians they lost the battle of thermoplae while athens won marathon and salamis to end both persian invasions, the rest of ur info seems correct, although sparta is not the greatest, all they did was fight

[shitbomp]

@muf321 250,000 persians going to attack greece spartans hold them at hot gates

and xerxes beucause he lost so many soldiers he returned back to persia

and yes spartans the only thing they did was fighting

the greatest greek city state

was athens and macedonia

[muf321]

@shitbomp first of all those persians overran the spartans position at thermopylae in all of 3 days, second there was a month between thermoplyae and salamis so its not like thermoplyae bought time for the greek navy to prepare, after all it was already at war with the persian fleet, so don't make it so the spartans saved greece from the persians, the athenians did, TWICE (although the first time they were really just saving themselves).

[muf321]

@shitbomp the main persian land force retreated after salamis because they were afraid the greek navy would trap them in greece, it then took a whole year for the spartans to assemble ther forces and defeat the few remainng persians

[actor2120]

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[WinterUltimate]

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[gillharjot1996]

this is what happens when the greek gods athena and ares fight loloololo

[ThelostGod8]

Athens should've won or not even keep demanding tax for preparedness agaisnt Persia when it wasn;t needed Sparta got tired of thier foolish greed..the two most powerfull city states of Greece at war is a no brainer that in the end no one wins

-from a proud Descendant of Socrates and related to Aristotle by marriage

[pixi2nv]

im spartan and proud as hell.

[copperhike9801]

Is there a soundtrack?

[badsign1980]

this was a naval empire? rsss

[Xenu]

This is *absurdly* inaccurate. The war did *not* begin in 431; it was begun decades before by Sparta, which feared the spread of Athenian democracy and wanted to keep its Peloponnesian League in tact in order to maintain its Messenian slaves in subjection. By 440 Sparta had decided to break the truce and invade Athens but were voted down by their allies. Commercial interests played almost no role in the conflict.

[arcbine333]

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[jbond5150]

@spacefruitful women werent citizens.

[xARMINIUSx]

@jbond5150 in Sparta they WERE, compared to other countrys they WERE.. u can compare it with a woman in America and in the middle east...

[bettiinaah]

@spacefruitful females were not considered citizens though ..

[natemate49080]

@bettiinaah the woman were placed in high regaurd because they were life givers. and if you read the history. the spartans did lose one battle. when they came home the woman told them to come home on their shields or they would be the ones who would go in to battle next time. the woman pretty much ran sparta.

[TheStupidwhiteboy]

@natemate49080

if they come home on their shields then they are dead and really don't have to worry about it. No worries, there are no stupid questions just stupid people

[natemate49080]

@TheStupidwhiteboy

[GeenBAlopTeeVee]

@TheStupidwhiteboy a spartan woman said to her sons: ,,if u come back: with ur shield or on it ''. this sentence was used in the movie 300, it wasnt said by leonidas wife, but just 'some spartan woman'

[TheStupidwhiteboy]

@GeenBAlopTeeVee

I wouldn't be surprised if Leonidas wife did say that to him before he went to Thermopylae but I don't think I mentioned Leonidas. So I'm not sure what your point is???

[oysterjoe]

@Torbon8372 Greece is now officially part of the 3rd world.

Nothing is safe in the 3rd world.

Just ask the giant statues of Buddha that used to be in Afghanistan.

[Dogmeat1950]

dumb ass thought he could take on the Spartans.

[CutiePieXO18]

Hopefully this is going to help me with my test tomrrow on Ancient Greece.

[Radjhitoocool]

it seems like smart ppl or ppl who know a lot about this subject use this video to make other ppl feel stupid for exaple say if i said spartan were rude and stupid some guy would come and be no they werent i give me a lil history lesson. iwas looking for stuff bout the peloponnesian war and if i were lucky a badass fight scene

[kabamaRu1990yo]

@Torbon8372 true! BIG true.. thumb up from me

[EricMetalGuitarist]

Awesome! Narrated by Liam Neeson.

[vtecivicsib18]

@EricMetalGuitarist awesome show but its narrated by Josh Marzoion

[Jate0000]

@vtecivicsib18 2:15 "Narrated by Liam Neeson"

[vtecivicsib18]

@Jate0000 got a website to prove that? Cause i have many to prove mine.. Josh Marzoion

[Jate0000]

@vtecivicsib18 what are you talking about? it's right there: 2:15

[vtecivicsib18]

@Jate0000 oh

[anatoliyjax]

m420james, learn history and logic. Your comment is quite pathetic.

[vtecivicsib18]

Learn history logic? History historians have claimed what he says on some sort of a level is umm correct.. Except the firewood part.. Your quite stupid

[m420james]

and of course christians using people for firewood for over a thousand years was nothing compared right, not like they used to burn children as imps of the devil, and slaughter anyone for reading a book they didnt like, and so many wonder where the nazi's got their ideas for the jews

[MrMurad1234]

@AaDdPp1997

No they joined the army at 18 and they went to school. After they had trained and were strong sparta let them learn math and writeing and speaking.

[SkullMech]

There are recipes for the black broth today and the taste wasn't bad at all. The spartans actually loved it.

The whole process of being trained was a school. They were thought not only about weapons training, but reading, writing, music and dancing. Try researching on Spartan Poems.

The whole idea that Sparta was a back water state is really ridiculous. In fact they were ahead of their time in that girls were allowed education while other greek city states were not.

[SkullMech]

Age 30? Hell no. Their whole life is devoted to being a soldier. Being a citizen = being a soldier. Until age 60, they are the Spartan Army.

Their lifestyle are tough. But if anything, it teaches them to enjoy the simpler things in life. They do not seek material possession. Like a veteran from a war that talks of how wonderful life is, so do the Spartans. Except they thrive in battle, love it, yearn for it.

Do I agree to their lifestlye? Only to a certain extent.

[AaDdPp1997]

idk this is what i learned in school blame my teach LOL

[ntipouan]

They were far more than stupid.

Ατείχιστος η Σπάρτη, a city without walls.

They were the most practical minds in Greece, and knew how to think logically, in order to achieve their goals with little effort

and cassualties.

If you read Xenophon, you'll realise that those men were perhaps more free than the Athenians, and perhaps the whole world.

But you're young and thus excused.

[Bboydust1]

never went to scool.please shut the fuck up .u know nothing about greek history.spartans were very educated people.spartans were very polite.when a young man(spartan) saw an old man he stood up greed him and asked him ti sit down.they had respect

[jarroddavenport]

"The Spartans, on the other hand, never wrote a single line that was considered literature"

*ahem* WROOONG

[elvisgirl101]

Actually they did. *ahem* WROOONG. Look it up. Get your facts together before you say.

[yesanded]

From what I understand, Pericles was only one of a number of Generals, not the supreme leader of Athens. And I'm pretty sure he did not make a decision to conquer Sparta. He actually suggested a very controversial defensive strategy. Whatever...I can't watch anymore of this.

[papagamias]

This documentary is really saying whatever:

1) Greek's last legacy classical philosophy? Greeks did not die or something after that! They conquered half of Asia! They created the amazing hellenistic cultures. Conquered by Rome later became christians and took up the Empire, they civilised Eastern Europe (the Slavs), they became the model for western Europe in ways that are not thought of today....

[papagamias]

2) Greeks were the world's civilisational powerhouse till their fall in 1204 during the 4th crusade... still even in 1400 in complete downfall they were thought as the most civilised people in Europe... It is only 600 years that Europe saw some others - this time a wide combination of many nations - being at the civilisational forefront (arguably the most rapid due to the interaction involved and the discoveries around the world)...

[papagamias]

Going ot hte details...

3) Athens was a naval little Empire but it was NOT so powerfull and NOT so rich. To provide comparisons with Pella, capital of Macedonia:

The RICHEST Athenian in 431 might had less than 200 talents of gold. The AVERAGE rich Macedonian had 1000 talets. Athens' richest point was the 10,000 talents having robbed all allies... Alexander had found in Persepolis in only one treasury, around 120,000 talents of gold!!!!

[papagamias]

4) Athens and Sparta were 2 important cities in the Greek world. But NOT the most important NOT the most powerfull ones.

The biggest pre-Hellenistic (prior ot the conquests of Alexander) Greek city was Syracuses in south Italy. It was a city double the size of Athens which had gathered the largest Greek-only army in antiquity against Carthagenians in Sicily... Around 110,000 men.

It is Syracusians that easily crushed Athenians during their campaign in Italy.

[papagamias]

Athens also was NOT any birthplace and NOT any capital of Greek philosophy. It was ONLY the birthplace and capital of theater and democracy.

There were more philosophers in Syracuse in 10 years than philosophers in Athens in 200 years. Only Socrates and Plato were important philosophers, all the rest are from elsewhere...Minor Asia, South Italy etc.

[crashoveryu]

It was Gylppus, the Spartan general, who made Syracusians a formidable opponent to Athenians. He was the one who made a cross wall that prevented Athens from encircling the city. Moreover, it were Athenians' tactital mstakes that lead them to the total dissaster.

[crashoveryu]

Don't compare Alexander's Macedonians with Pericles' Athenians.. Two different situations.

[mingwaikan]

agree. its 2 different time periods

[crashoveryu]

U forgot to mention the Greek influence on Rome.

[crashoveryu]

Ok, I noticed that u mentioned Romans here. Sorry for the previous comment.

[ihaterca]

great for my school project it due next tusday

[mrgamer44444444]

this is great for my school project

[shikamaru54321]

wats the name of the song that starts at 0:23?

[Biochips1]

I can read Greek letters, but I don't understand the language.

[papagamias]

Μπίοτσιπς1 δατ ιζ αμεϊζινγκ .... ντου γιου ρίαλυ αντερσταντ δις;

[reokiaz]

is 300 spartans killed 150,000+ persians then i wouldnt be fucking with sparta if i were athens

[Endremael]

that's just a movie, man... they didn't kill that many, maybe a fifth at most! and it wasn't only 300 spartans, they were supported by athenians and soldiers from other cities. athens created a large navy and fought against a much bigger persian navy as well. but 150000, nope.

[89alphaomega]

@Endremael

The number of 300 is not an "invention" of the movie 300. Even in the ancient times they referred to the brave 300. But of course this is a myth.

According to Herodotus the Greeks were about 5000 men and the persians about 2,5 milion. Modern historians estimate the number of persians to about 300.000 which is far more realistic than 2,5 milion.

[kittymasterkyle]

yeah with ownly 300 men

[themuslinson]

are you the best movie maker i dont theig so you are a sucker

[TheBistal]

Hold Up..i thought athens was like direct democracy or somethin'--why do they say that its democracy only ? which is true?

[benjaminjean1984]

democracy is free peoples deciding how they run their country, direct democracy puts power to every single individual. Our modern day democracies are representative democracies so every person freely votes a political party who represents our favoured policies:) So its not so much how its organised rather are we freely choosing sounds simple today but 200yrs ago impossible to implement.

[luchelbarbaro]

THANKS 4 posting culture, this series is amazing!!!

[MrRobyoublind]

we (humans) was so strong back then now most of us r lazy lol jk

but its tru

[tociph]

they didn't have much going for them, ie laptops, cars, planes, icbm,

they had less complex life and a lot of time at their hands after doing their works at the fields, fighting a war, worshiping gods, telling stories, and then just sleep

today mobiles, internet, work, etc

on top internet has made people scared of all kinds of things, ie disease epidemic, conspiracy theories etc

[MrRobyoublind]

i agree whit you 100%

[PROSTATHS]

oraio binteo. ENO TO EBLEPA, ELEGA pista ston eauto mou, "PERHPHANOS ELLHNAS"

[Foozlethegreat]

is that..... Liam Neeson?

well regardless this is such a great documentary

[pacificguitarist]

yeah dude thats four words.

[jackmiley]

lol...

[shikamaru54321]

i knw this may sound kinda wierd....but does anyone knw the song that is playing at the start of the movie (not the start of the video..the movie)

[Dorkus89Malorkus]

That's four words...

[1989dman]

anyone notice how in documentaries the narrators always say how that empire or this city was the greatest or something like that? Carthage, Rome, this, they all say the same thing. They could just say one of the greatest but eh

[Dhaune]

they did not exist at the same time fucking fool

[1989dman]

fool? do you seriously talk like that in real life? its like a cross between nerd and low life scum. Anyway, they said the greatest in the ancient world which would include other cities at any point in time that was considered "ancient". Talk like a normal civilized person won't ya k? Thanks.

[jgascoine011]

wow how cool r u

[DarkHeartedMusician]

Whoa, is that Liam Neeson that I hear? Awesome!

[Robina100]

This is Alsan's/Liam Neelson's voice!

So weird to hear it here

[GodzOFWars]

whats the name of the intro song?

[energizer234]

in sparta the weak babys where taking to a mt and if the elder saw it looked weak or deformed then they would let them to die of exposire and at 7 years they were taken to go learn to fight

[gamerz654]

The Athenian men were as strong as the Spartan men.

The only diffrence is that the Spartan women were as strong as the Spartan Men.

[amex4545]

The difference is that the Spartans were trained beter then the Athenians. Actualy they were the best trained soliders in the world in that time. In my opinion they were the best trained soliders of all time cuz they were trained from age 7 and they stoped being soliders at age 60 and they were training most of the day, every day.

[gamerz654]

In my opinion they din't have enoguh time to study.

They came to war with Athens many times in a few years and lost everytime until the Athenians got a disseas which killed two thirds of them (no not AIDs) and the Spartans found their chance.

Remember war just like today has a lot to do with how smart the leaders are.

[bortaxdude]

yeah and spartans look good in their armors too.... hehehehe XD

[1989dman]

Yeah Spartan soldiers were the elite of the greeks. Just imagine if Athens and Sparta combined forces to create one Greek nation, with Spartan superior land armies and Athens superior navy who knows what might've happened

[Mitsosoriginal]

they did it to defend from persian's

[Dhaune]

you fucking fool, go die

[gamerz654]

No you.

[byJessCh]

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[G3Katil]

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[byJessCh]

Your talking makes no sense stupid fuck :)))

[NikosGreeceEver]

woahhhhh...

[EIIhnika00]

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[maikmetaI]

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