@bmwCarter2 fuck mma, fuck all your mma fucks crawling on youtube dissing other styles, dude you fight under sissy rules, oh no dont hurt the eyes, oh no dont punch my teeth crooked, oh no i wanna make babies with my ugly punched up face so please dont kick me in the nuts...... bet your one of those idiots that watch boxing sports so much he is beginning to think its real fighting, wake up from your dream asswipe.
@Euwnt whoa whoa hey hey you can talk crap about mma i dont care for it and to be honest its hella gay and for stupid meatheads with anger problems...anyways dont diss boxing , atleast boxing is a respectable sport with respectable fighters with mayweather being the exception.
@THEpillows100 True, im not stereotyping any sport. Sorry but i still think the rules are sissy, fights are made to kill your opponent, i dont believe in entertainment fighting. But yea boxers and mma fighters work really hard for their condition and strength. But its a sport just like you said, some peope miss this point, they think mma can take on anything, they sound like they can take on nukes coming from russia LOLZ
@Euwnt - MMA can be used for whatever you wish it to be used for. Whether it be used for sport, defense, fitness or just for fun. Fighters having their bones broken, getting hurt and knocked out in MMA is very real. Getting in front of an MMA fighter on the street would be a nightmare for anybody.
@iApna standing in front of any well trained martial artist is a nightmare for anyone and to be honest i would be scared to fight paul vunak on the street than some random mma fighter
@THEpillows100 - Yes this is true. But most traditional martial-artist don't want to fight. Where as MMA fighters would be happy to oblige. After all it would be good training.
@THEpillows100 - You should go introduce yourself at the many MMA clubs and show them all how shitty they all are. Remember to bring your mouth guard and someone to drive you home because I'm sure you will get a quick lesson what MMA is about. Just tell them you want to try their "fighters" class and not their beginners class. After they laugh for awhile and make you sign a waiver they might let you do it.
@iApna Getting in front of any skilled martial artist who trains realistically on the street would be a nightmare. MMA-fighters do seem to train (much) more realistic than other examples I've seen so far. That's good. Training realistic (which eventually means, of course, that you'll have to spar a lot) has the advantage of telling you what works and what doesn't work, and it keeps people out of a dreamworld where everything is possible.
@MCBosmans - I see no sense in learning something without realistic application. Imagine you getting on your next flight and learning the pilot just graduated using "flight simulators". How much confidence would you have during that flight?
@iApna I would get myself a parachute and an inflatable boat. Hahhahahaha.
You're right. That's exactly the mentality needed for training. If you really want to obtain fighting skills, you must fight. Of course, fighting is a bit illegal, and things might get messy and severe injuries might occur. Hence, sparring, the next closest thing that's fairly safe. Of course, it's better to have as little rules and protective gear as possible. If you want to learn to swim, you'll have to get wet.
hi im 10 and i do kung fu wing tsun kung fu in south croydon and we learn all the techniques so if you want to learn this go to the kung fu school.com
you will love and that is coming from a ten year old
@01mrfrank True, but they use tehm different. Like in Wing chun you'll never see a static horse stance or bow and arrow stance. It's all more fluid. Like when you're following an apponent down with chain punches, you touch on bow and arrow and horse stance. I was learning a tiger/crane set that starts out with a set called poison fist that had many elements of WC
AgreebMy old sifu was a student of Yip Man...I weigh 270 pounds and wing chun is by far the most powerful Kung fu there is... It is for small people and girls orginaly and that technic with a big guy..is a explsive combo trust me.. Wing Tsun Is the truth
@kwstantine Still in one. It's not that bad. Kinda tho. I'm teaching WT for cheaper myself. cheaper than ATA tae kwon do! But what can you do if you wanna learn the best wing chun? It's not like the old days where you can show dedication by living with/serving a master!
@dragob732 XD you don´t know much about the things you say. it´s defently not just a business it´s the best way to defend yourself and other. i don´t know where you live but i for example live in germany^^ in schleswig-holstein and there is a wt-school named KSH and there the cost it´s a joke. less than in all other schools and less than in a fitness-center for example. ^^ you should be better informed before you say such brainless things ^^
@MrDeutschland4ever in Albania and other part of the world is the most expensive,i know what im saying ,Why you protect Leung Ting?He makes business with you and
learns you bullshit,try Wong Shun Leung Wing chun,Good luck in you trainning,keep the Fu alive!
@dragob732 my sifu is not leung ting and my sifu has no sifu above him ;-) he makes his own thing and it´s a defently cheap way. by the KSH you are able to train every single day if you want and it don´t cost a single cent more. but i must say that for example the WTO is f***cking expensive. it remains on the school you gonna train i think.
@dragob732 XD no KSH is "Kampfkunstschulen Schleswig-Holstein" is an association like the EWTO. but it has nothing to do with the EWTO. the costs for a EWTO class i don´t know, but it´s far more expensive.
if someone tried this shit on me i would let them pussy slap / fag punch me a couple times like they do, then i would just grab the jumpy queer and flatten him
WT is the best. Practitioners of WT have done other stuff, and they KNOW WT works. Others only know their stuff. WT is for intelligent people. The best part, others can't tell how it works on youtube videos. Himm. Makes sense actually. You don't do WT, do your thing. Better for us. Never even try WT. Don't bother. Leave it to us "losers".
I dont belive that there is a "Superior" art of fighting- I think that its more like race cars the onus on the driver. The person who trains hard wil have the edge. That said I also think that a lot of traditional martial arts were created for people who put way more practice into them then most folks can/will today. The art gets blamed for poor application,
Fairbains system was simple for just that reason, and some of the moves were only used on dummys, how well it worked was down to the user.
I suppose this place is as good as any to write this down; even moreso due to the seemingly mature users.
First off, I'm not really a martial artist: Been learning some things here and there but never endowed myself deep in any style, so I don't speak much out of practical experience.
Now, I do seem to recall that, when Muay Thai was unknown to the rest of the world, a lot of the more modern martial arts got beat by Muay Thai, until westerners with their bigger body frame started to learn it.
Judo is an adapted/evolved form of Jujutsu, that removed some techniques, and added some, that the founder found fitting, a new style is born.
BJJ is the same thing really; they took Jujutsu, and made it into their own style, same way how there are several styles of Karate.
Thing is however, that some arts, like Boxing, kickboxing, BJJ, are quite young in terms of age, and they have been brought up in a peaceful era, so it's natural in my eyes that they would be more sports oriented.
Now, don't get me wrong; I do not doubt the ability to use it practically outside a ring. But the issue I seem to get every time with the MMA vs. Other arts is that people forget that the very mindset is different:
A MMA fighter is used to fight in a ring with rules. Obviously, he will not think the same outside the ring, but it's going to be ther etched in muscles and mind, since he's used to it.
And as such, he will still fight a lot like he would in a ring.
Now, imagine if you train every day, with the mindset that a fight could mean your life, that your opponent is out to kill you, and that he is armed or might be armed, your entire mindset will be different.
Another important fact is that most fights today are not 1v1, it's 1vmany, or 1vmany with weapons.
Take the IDF that uses Krav Maga as an example; They are taught that if you go to the ground, you're dead, because of this.
So, an MMA fighter that is used to fight in the ring, might have to stop and think, that he should go for the throat, the groin, the eyes etc.
Whereas someone trained in that, won't have to think at all; he'll do it without thinking.
If you stop to think in a fight, you're dead.
To redoubt the issue with "The deadly moves never being shown on YT": They are trained, but not used in sparring, for a damn good reason: You don't want to permanentaly maim your uke.
The drawback with this however is that you will have a lack of experience using the moves when the time comes when you will need them however.
Another thing worth noting is that a lot of arts see their art only as a means to survive. Which is why WC and Ninjutsu are not to supposed compete, I suppose.
So in essence, ANY art can be used, just that some are more specialized in certain fields: Some for sport and ringfighting, some for health, some for life and death combat.
The sum of it all is: Don't waste time trying to find one that is "best", but rather find one that suits your situation, body build, and style, the most.
Phew, that was a lot of posts. Do apologize for almost hogging an entire page for myself; just something that's been weighing heavily on my chest for a long time.
The intention behind the art conception is not he important thing. Wether an art was invented with war/sport in mind is'nt actually relevant.
What is relevant is that the art evolves to be more efficient through actual fighting not through drills and compliant techniques.
Imagine learning to drive a car but your not allowed to actually start the car and go on the road all you can do is drills and forms that show you the movements required to steer the wheel, change gear etc..
This is why boxing, MMA, Kyokushin will always be superior to arts like Wing Chun. They have been eveolving through constant application not theory and rhetoric.
This just shows your ignorance. To train in an alive manner does'nt mean you have to spar at 100% intensity. Its just about controlled resistance with a non compliant opponent.
Just look at Kyokushin. Mass Oyama started with Goju Ryu Karate and through years of fighting the art change into somwething that closer resembles Muai Thai than traditional Karate. Its easy to work out why: Its because hands up by face, chin tucked and even weight distribution is the most efficient way to fight.
It's just that you need to broaden your view a little bit: There is no such thing as "best" or "superior" art.
As a budoka, I'm proud to represent and study my style, but I won't neglect other arts, nor will I deny the shortcomings of my own, because those exist in EVERY art.
No what actually happened was that Westerners modified some aspects of Muay Thai (mainly the Dutch) and started to dominate the traditional Muay Boran fighters. Then the Thai's realised the sport Western way was actually more efficient so they also adapted.
lol that was what i thought too. I thought that muay thai was undefeatable (not so much of the unknown the part), but Muay Thai top fighters were defeated in China Dec 09. A 5 vs 5 battle in which the top Muay Thai fighters challenged the Shaolin monks (but they refused/against their practice). The Muay Thai fighters were faced against China's Sanda (or Sanchou) fighters and lost. China-4 and Muay Thai- 1.
Only that in Sanda they wear body armor, gloves, headgear, don't allow strikes to vital parts, don't have a ground game ever so loved in competitions etc. etc.
They do practice it outside competitions though, and we're back to where we started: Outside competition, outside real sparring. Must be shit then?
They restrict themselves so much just in order to compete. If a BBT user would have to remove all deadly or maiming techniques we wouldn't have anything left.
That being said, look at a Muay Thai match from Thailand, when they got no protection and roped forearms, where people die and get carried out on a stretcher.
Is that what you want to happen when someone competes?
Snapped elbows, broken necks and knees? Or even weapons? Realistic? Sure, but I don't see a promising future for that type of competition.
You really think pewny 4-5 oz gloves make such a huge difference? Your wrong. Bare knuckle matches are still very common in Thailand and Cambodia fatalities are extremely rare. As for Brazil theyve had Vale Tudo (anything goes) rules competions for over 70 years.
Deadly techniques dont exist. Dont you get it? If youve never practised something against a fully resisting opponent in training how you gonna pull it
And yes, a glove makes a difference: It adds weight to the hand, it increases the thickness making it harder to slip through openings, and from what I can tell, makes it hard to open up and raising the hand, making palm strikes difficult.
You talk about things that you have no experince of as if your an authority on the subject.
Palm striking with mma gloves is not a problem, its just an excuse for not sparring. Arts like WT/WC, Bujinkan, Kenpo, Aikido use excuses like this so the instructors dont have to prove their ability.
Its 'too deadly' is just nonesence , in fact its an outright lie. Try one class at a good BJJ school and you will understand why alicve training is the onely real way.
No its not, In mma you get punched in the throat by powerful athletic guys regularly in training. Not on purpose but it happens. The back of the head is'nt 'Deadly' either its banned because repetition over time can cause brain damage. Groin shots are certainly not deadly. You sound like you've been brainwashed.
In Judo Randori is always at 100% intensity, rarely are arms and legs broken.
I dont mean to 'dis' any style. My problem is with various training methodologies.
If WT schools started encorporating REGULAR sparring and physical conditioning they would start to produce people who could fight....But the art would also start to change.
You fight how you train, so if its all compliant drills and forms your not learning anything appliable its just my opinion. Im 30 years old and have done martial arts since 1991.
I'm not disagreeing with you: The lack of resisting sparring gives a lack of practical experience, no denying that.
Dunno about WT, I only did WC, and have some fond memories of pain from that.
But please do understand: We practice slow in BBT in order to not cause injury, and once we know how to perform and handle the attack properly, we start to semi-resist, along with maybe even punishing the move if not done properly.
The latter I get to experience every training -.-"
The basic flaw in striking arts like WC is that you can learn techniques, but you cant develop skill because training properly would involve instant injuries. Judo in contrast has a limited range of techniques, but proponents get to actually develop skill by fighting resisting opponents full contact. Only in newaza can you actually develop skill.
Wing has indeed experienced the best fighters in history INCLUDING YIP MAN, BRUCE LEE. But it doesnt mean that other martial arts arent good. Every martial art has its own characteristics but as a symobolic figure representitive to the art itself, Wing Chun is the Best. Muay Thai may also be good but every1 has its own choices, I cant force u THAT NO ONLY WING CHUN IS THE BEST. Like my Sifu said, you cant force a person wearing a green shirt to wear a orage shirt. Its totaly your choice ! Peace
Every art has experienced great fighters. To say that Wing Chun has experienced the best is not true. There is no significant evidence that supports the claim. Perhaps I am not looking in the right place though. Go research Mitsuyo Maeda. He had won over 2000 fights in his career. How many did Bruce Lee win?
Bruce Lee did more for Martial Arts than any other person in history. He might have also been the best MMA practitioner of all time. But that does not make him the best fighter.
If a great fighter was determined by winning fights, then those who invented this art would be really losers because it was initially a mode of survival back then. Anyways, if you like Muay Thai, its up 2 u !! go ahead I am not forcing on ur choice !!
And I never said bruce lee was good because he won so and so many fights ??
Freesoul299-Times have changed. People are bigger whether that means fat or muscular. More martial-art facilities are available compared to even just 10 years ago. Espeacially MMA and Thai clubs which train heavily on endurance, stamina & strength. It doesnt matter what happened 100's of years ago or even during Bruce Lee's time. If you're training for defence or sport-Can your training stand up to hard hitting MMA practitioners? Is it tested? Is your trainer experienced and tested?
Freesoul299 - I am not forcing anyone to give up Wing-Chun or Tsun. If someone says Wing Chun is "great, "the truth", etc. I would like to see the proof. Giving examples of Bruce Lee or Yip Mann does not mean anything these days. Times have changed. Some recent examples are needed if someone is going to claim "The best"
it does matter what happened a very long time ago,even in bruce lee's time..time paved the way for many fighters to understand the concept of these arts before practiced,it matters not the size or height of any man,we are all human..its not always the strongest who wins but the smartest..many arts focus on weak points and probability..how would u know how to defend urself if u don't know how u can be attacked? yes time has passed but knowledge is power,some back then had it more than many today.
why do you even think Bruce studied philosophy?...the mind has to be just as fit as your body in order for you to obtain such skill and to control the outcome of a fight or even other challenges in life,even if you may not control the outcome completely your chances of victory increases...no matter how big your opponent is,if you are more dedicated to a necessary art then your possibility to come out as the victor increases with all the knowledge...
iApna,yes,it can.Wing Chun/Wing Tsun was developed to counter traditional Chinese martial arts,such as Shaolin,so it was the MMA of it's day,if you know what to look for,MMA and Thai clubs systems have their own weakness',thats why so many mixed Thai with BJJ,the rock-scissors game and arms race goes on,times have changed and go back to traditional arts in many ways,professional operators can't afford to go to the ground,put weapon and gear on try,Thai bxing & MMA in close quarters
They were indeed ONE of the best fighters in history. It doesnt mean that other cant b good as well !! But Yip man was the best in his field, bruce lee was his student and he was good as well (but not as him). NO OFFENCE BUT NAME ME 1 MUAY THAI FIGHTER WHO HAS CHANGE THE COURSE OF MUAY THAI AS A WHOLE !! Its rethorical dont worry !!
We should b open mind enough to considerate the fact that every martial art has its own characteristics !!! ^_^ b happy dude and njoy ur life no matter by WC or MT
Some of what you learn in WC is useful. But there is however no comparison between the level of intensity between Muay-Thai or MMA and Kung-fu training.
What will prepare you best for a street fight? 40% conditioning, 30% sparring, 30% technique.
If you're club does not kick your ass than your gonna a get an ass kicking by someone else.
Btw. Defense is overrated Offence is the best defense.
the problem is that the people who attempt to use eastern martial arts aren't well trained enough. the masters do not fight for sport, they simply instruct. A wing chun master would not easily be hit in a ufc match. i'm pretty tired of people comparing everything to the ufc, it's completely different than street fighting, which is what most martial arts are based around.
not really. 1v1, no groin shots, same weight class, rounds, trainers, set time and date, medical team, no hits to the back of the head, no hits to the throat, no kicks to the head on the ground, no knees to the head on the ground, no downward elbows to the crown of the head, no joint strikes, no weapons, softer mat, no environment, crowd, and many other things like fighting the same person more than once, referee, no eye gouging, no hair pulling, tapping out, i would put more but it won't fit xP
The only things, but more realistic than wt. You had hard gloves which are like normal hands. You learn to fight on the ground, even when he punsh you, you learn to conter. And pushing in the eye, kicking to the head on the ground is nothing what someone should learn...
except it is what happens in a street fight! and you will not have a cup, mouth guard and wrist wraps to hold you together! or a ref to pull them off of you!
No ref but maybe a friend. And even without the protecs it is much more close to a streetfight than wing tsun. The most people fight with bare knuckles. Like in mma. When you see the videos of streetfight you see always peole with bare knuckles try to punch each others face. Nothing with "finger in the eye" or something like that.
Either it is real or it is not. You can't say one is "more" realistic.
You are looking at TRAINING CLIPS of WT and then comparing it to sport fighting events. You are not comparing the right things. Imagine if I posted clips of MMA training showing only them flipping truck tires around, hitting focus mitts, and doing technical work on positioning and then compaired that to WT free sparring or Lat Sau. What would be closer to a "fight"?
I agree that MMA hurts more in training, like a fight.
IMHO MMA or even just MThai is better for street fighting.
In my club we do not worry about defense as much. We are more interested in busting ribs, breaking legs and taking heads off. Don't get me wrong there is defence. Our club is extremely aggressive.
But to do that you need the conditioning. You have to expect to get hit and the fight might be 5 minutes or more. You also have to expect a much larger and stronger opponent.
come on, finger in the eye excuse? Do you see arm bars or RNC in a street fight? do you see people avoiding kneeing the groin? No, which is why you can't compare limited rules in a cage to a real fight.
People don't train to finger in the eye so it is not going to happen to any degree of success. People do get scratched in the eye all the time, even in grappling training. Imagine what happens when it is done with intent? But WT doesn't count on it anyway, its not a legal defense in many States.
I say that mma is much more close to a streetfight than any other martial art. Of course their are no armbars in a streetfight but in mma you learn what happen if you are laying on the ground. In mma you learn to take a fist to the head and not one with big gloves. You learn to take a fist with gloves, hard as fists.
OK, I can agree with you sorta. The Sport Fights in MMA competition are closer to real fights due to the pain, damage, and control of fear. Also, Sport Fighters should do really well in real fights because of the experience.
But not very many MMA people actually do cage fights. They just do the training. Personally I am not interested in the style of fighting they train that is modified to fit the rules. and I am not interested in damaging my body on purpose to tuffing up.
Ok so classical Wing Chun/Tsun fighers are limited due to the rules. But then so are all others. Ok maybe MMA events are not the place for classical Wing Chun/Tsun fighters for that matter even Thai fighters who have no ground game.
But how about K-1? Where you have representation from many arts. Wing Chun/Tsun is a no show.
First not many master exist if any in the UFC. Most if not all masters are past their fighting prime.
Why would anyone want to learn from someone that cannot prove their skills? I can understand if the master, ajarn, etc... is old, but if the club has no proven fighters then training there is a risk in itself.
If your trainer is young and out-of-shape thats another warning (under 40). Bruce Lee himself was sickened by fat belly out of shape instructors.
wow that was gay. here let me give you my arms so you can do some fancy movie style flips and kicks and i submissively fall to the ground so you can hit me some more like a little butterfly.
Okay the hand is just a reference when training. You trap to hit not hit to trap. In other words You trap when your opponent puts his hand to block you from striking him.
your video was awesome the music fit. ving tsun does work find the lineage .Ip ching & Ip chun are the living oracles of Ip mans ving tsun. you find this lineage and you will see for yourself. great video.
agree :D. i study under ip chun lineage. it freakin works. but when "making it work"...i.e. on the street, each individual has to take the fight to their own mind, not the mind of their sifu or sifus of lineage. watever works, efficiently, is technically wing chun, or if not, then jkd, but "making it work" depends on the situation. but i love this art, and i also do san shou and it can be applied in the ring too :D
Samuel Kwok & Carlson Gracie watch the video. I find it funny when they say wing chun does not work...then there idol totally disagress. Carlson Gracie was training in wing chun with Sifu Kwok.
nice vid, but stop with the rock music plz.
i like every kind of music including rock.
but if you like a music, that doesn't mean this music is a good them for this video or another video.
joleghost 3 months ago
2:47 nice one ^^
qubiq3 5 months ago in playlist martial arts
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THEpillows100 5 months ago
mma think about that :-)
bmwCarter2 9 months ago
@bmwCarter2 fuck mma, fuck all your mma fucks crawling on youtube dissing other styles, dude you fight under sissy rules, oh no dont hurt the eyes, oh no dont punch my teeth crooked, oh no i wanna make babies with my ugly punched up face so please dont kick me in the nuts...... bet your one of those idiots that watch boxing sports so much he is beginning to think its real fighting, wake up from your dream asswipe.
Euwnt 7 months ago
@Euwnt whoa whoa hey hey you can talk crap about mma i dont care for it and to be honest its hella gay and for stupid meatheads with anger problems...anyways dont diss boxing , atleast boxing is a respectable sport with respectable fighters with mayweather being the exception.
THEpillows100 6 months ago
@THEpillows100 True, im not stereotyping any sport. Sorry but i still think the rules are sissy, fights are made to kill your opponent, i dont believe in entertainment fighting. But yea boxers and mma fighters work really hard for their condition and strength. But its a sport just like you said, some peope miss this point, they think mma can take on anything, they sound like they can take on nukes coming from russia LOLZ
Euwnt 6 months ago
@Euwnt lol yeah i know what you mean
THEpillows100 6 months ago
@Euwnt - MMA can be used for whatever you wish it to be used for. Whether it be used for sport, defense, fitness or just for fun. Fighters having their bones broken, getting hurt and knocked out in MMA is very real. Getting in front of an MMA fighter on the street would be a nightmare for anybody.
iApna 6 months ago
@iApna standing in front of any well trained martial artist is a nightmare for anyone and to be honest i would be scared to fight paul vunak on the street than some random mma fighter
THEpillows100 6 months ago
@THEpillows100 - Yes this is true. But most traditional martial-artist don't want to fight. Where as MMA fighters would be happy to oblige. After all it would be good training.
iApna 6 months ago
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THEpillows100 6 months ago
@THEpillows100 - You should go introduce yourself at the many MMA clubs and show them all how shitty they all are. Remember to bring your mouth guard and someone to drive you home because I'm sure you will get a quick lesson what MMA is about. Just tell them you want to try their "fighters" class and not their beginners class. After they laugh for awhile and make you sign a waiver they might let you do it.
iApna 6 months ago
@iApna Getting in front of any skilled martial artist who trains realistically on the street would be a nightmare. MMA-fighters do seem to train (much) more realistic than other examples I've seen so far. That's good. Training realistic (which eventually means, of course, that you'll have to spar a lot) has the advantage of telling you what works and what doesn't work, and it keeps people out of a dreamworld where everything is possible.
MCBosmans 1 month ago
@MCBosmans - I see no sense in learning something without realistic application. Imagine you getting on your next flight and learning the pilot just graduated using "flight simulators". How much confidence would you have during that flight?
iApna 1 month ago
@iApna I would get myself a parachute and an inflatable boat. Hahhahahaha.
You're right. That's exactly the mentality needed for training. If you really want to obtain fighting skills, you must fight. Of course, fighting is a bit illegal, and things might get messy and severe injuries might occur. Hence, sparring, the next closest thing that's fairly safe. Of course, it's better to have as little rules and protective gear as possible. If you want to learn to swim, you'll have to get wet.
MCBosmans 1 month ago
Who is the dude on 0:34? I know about almost every other master on this vid.
Mikica013 1 year ago
@Mikica013 he is an Italian Wing Chun praticioner: Franco Regalzi !
cspunk89 1 year ago
@cspunk89 Tnx for info. Cheers!
Mikica013 1 year ago
What´s the name of the guy at 1.03?
omcxe 1 year ago
@omcxe Emin Boztepe
XXXP41n 1 year ago
WHo is the man at 0:30?
leronolifephamsteru 1 year ago
@leronolifephamsteru :he's Master Wang ZhiPeng
netwiz2 1 year ago
hi im 10 and i do kung fu wing tsun kung fu in south croydon and we learn all the techniques so if you want to learn this go to the kung fu school.com
you will love and that is coming from a ten year old
TheJakerz2000 1 year ago
totally gay
01mrfrank 1 year ago
@01mrfrank it wont be gay if u got some1 to the floor with those moves
TheJakerz2000 1 year ago
@01mrfrank Well I would rather do these effective moves than the real gay moves of UFC where they hump each other all the time, lol
aminul1984 1 year ago
@01mrfrank Wing chun uses technique which is total the opposite of EVERY martial art there is.
leronolifephamsteru 1 year ago
@leronolifephamsteru the opposite-impossible because wing chun is a hybrid of 5 other styles
01mrfrank 1 year ago
@01mrfrank True, but they use tehm different. Like in Wing chun you'll never see a static horse stance or bow and arrow stance. It's all more fluid. Like when you're following an apponent down with chain punches, you touch on bow and arrow and horse stance. I was learning a tiger/crane set that starts out with a set called poison fist that had many elements of WC
joedrock1 1 year ago
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01mrfrank 1 year ago
@01mrfrank Next time please make you statements more specifics then.
leronolifephamsteru 1 year ago
@leronolifephamsteru yes, i can do that.
01mrfrank 1 year ago
@01mrfrank the guys with red triangles practice western wing tsun, this is why i switched to eastern wing tsun.
whitepantha234 1 year ago
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is that bruce lee at 2:00 ?
Fangoverfang11 1 year ago
say how much for GYM for a month ?
nikolayminchev 1 year ago
@sasuke4872 hello m8 may i ask you what linage wing chun you do?
kwstantine 1 year ago
AgreebMy old sifu was a student of Yip Man...I weigh 270 pounds and wing chun is by far the most powerful Kung fu there is... It is for small people and girls orginaly and that technic with a big guy..is a explsive combo trust me.. Wing Tsun Is the truth
BlznJKBSoulja209 1 year ago
Wing Tsun is the best close combat technique.
bigtisas 1 year ago
Well done! Good Job!
mougiman 1 year ago 2
cool
PQQI 1 year ago
2:50 WTF??? XD
simply great
CrystalEye3 1 year ago
your Wing Tsun is not a fighting style,is a business style,you should be ashamed with your prices of teaching Wing Tsun,shame on you mothefuckers!
dragob732 1 year ago
@dragob732 i think like u! WT= Shame
MESHUGAH88 1 year ago
@MESHUGAH88 you dont imagine how expensive they are lol!
dragob732 1 year ago
@dragob732 how wxpensive it is?? tell us???have you ever been in a WT class?? only bla bla bla about money...
kwstantine 1 year ago
@kwstantine Still in one. It's not that bad. Kinda tho. I'm teaching WT for cheaper myself. cheaper than ATA tae kwon do! But what can you do if you wanna learn the best wing chun? It's not like the old days where you can show dedication by living with/serving a master!
joedrock1 1 year ago
@dragob732 XD you don´t know much about the things you say. it´s defently not just a business it´s the best way to defend yourself and other. i don´t know where you live but i for example live in germany^^ in schleswig-holstein and there is a wt-school named KSH and there the cost it´s a joke. less than in all other schools and less than in a fitness-center for example. ^^ you should be better informed before you say such brainless things ^^
MrDeutschland4ever 1 year ago
@MrDeutschland4ever in Albania and other part of the world is the most expensive,i know what im saying ,Why you protect Leung Ting?He makes business with you and
learns you bullshit,try Wong Shun Leung Wing chun,Good luck in you trainning,keep the Fu alive!
dragob732 1 year ago
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kwstantine 1 year ago
@dragob732 my sifu is not leung ting and my sifu has no sifu above him ;-) he makes his own thing and it´s a defently cheap way. by the KSH you are able to train every single day if you want and it don´t cost a single cent more. but i must say that for example the WTO is f***cking expensive. it remains on the school you gonna train i think.
MrDeutschland4ever 1 year ago
@MrDeutschland4ever but how much it cost in a month?
dragob732 1 year ago
@dragob732 by the KSH it costs 21 euro a month and 21 for the year.
MrDeutschland4ever 1 year ago
@MrDeutschland4ever what is this KSH?a EWTO class is 21 euro a month?
dragob732 1 year ago
@dragob732 XD no KSH is "Kampfkunstschulen Schleswig-Holstein" is an association like the EWTO. but it has nothing to do with the EWTO. the costs for a EWTO class i don´t know, but it´s far more expensive.
MrDeutschland4ever 1 year ago
wing chun
not wing tsun O_O
ShoyruDrag0n 1 year ago
i love wt
GenghisKhanization 1 year ago
@dragonmist58 the terminator theme song should be wing chun anthem lol
goldenking2287 1 year ago
@goldenking2287 let me correct myself for youtube only do you study wingchun
goldenking2287 1 year ago
if someone tried this shit on me i would let them pussy slap / fag punch me a couple times like they do, then i would just grab the jumpy queer and flatten him
Jamie1zzard 1 year ago
@Jamie1zzard have you studied any form of martial art?
619wingchun 1 year ago
@Jamie1zzard your crazy because if someone know wing chun and you fight them odds are they might win lol
goldenking2287 1 year ago
yea..... say that to bruce lee when u meet him.. hahhahahahha u pussy.
kist420 1 year ago
@kist420 i would and i pray that i stop his fast as punches
goldenking2287 1 year ago
Leung Ting is EVEYWHERE.
He's the McDonald's of Kung Fu.
DizzyDerwish 1 year ago
WT is the best. Practitioners of WT have done other stuff, and they KNOW WT works. Others only know their stuff. WT is for intelligent people. The best part, others can't tell how it works on youtube videos. Himm. Makes sense actually. You don't do WT, do your thing. Better for us. Never even try WT. Don't bother. Leave it to us "losers".
mrlixalot 1 year ago
The music didn't help...i LOL'd when i saw this hahahahahahaahahhaa
JustinThoj 1 year ago
LOL at 0:12
BHGiant3 1 year ago
@BHGiant3 dude shuttup...don't you know? That's EXACTLY how an attack from three guys would look...ALWAYS! hahahahahahahaha
JustinThoj 1 year ago
is it a humor start from 0.12
DonnieYen89 1 year ago
the last combo was insaaaaane
amdevor 1 year ago
cool video...whatever the spelling used (I train MYVT) our Art is awesome. keep'em coming ;)
titobeme 1 year ago
lol at first it looks like he slapped away thier hand and started slapping them
dabouncer99 1 year ago
That opening sequence was extremely sloppy and inefficient even if it was just a demo.
flickerman68 1 year ago
I love this video! And i love Wing Tsun!!! Its very nice!
FreyMarcel 1 year ago
awesome , i'm just going to my WT work-out :D
btw what's the song played under the video?
zsan14 1 year ago
cool video, I'm just going to my WC work-out :D
btw what's the name of the song?
zsan14 1 year ago
Leung ting lineage suck.... footwork is just crap. Lack of structure....
jambi99 1 year ago
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All the power music of the world can't make Wing Tsung looks better...it's soo sad :)
jjjoestar 1 year ago
sonata arctica could, believe me : D
MetalMiklos 1 year ago
@jjjoestar the music for this clip should be from ac/dc or slayer, it would be more appropriate
takitezy7 1 year ago
ur comment wont make to sound n look good either, go kill your self. mahahahhaha
kist420 1 year ago
@kist420 uh?
jjjoestar 1 year ago
what is the name of this song?
Izaaan8P 1 year ago
I dont belive that there is a "Superior" art of fighting- I think that its more like race cars the onus on the driver. The person who trains hard wil have the edge. That said I also think that a lot of traditional martial arts were created for people who put way more practice into them then most folks can/will today. The art gets blamed for poor application,
Fairbains system was simple for just that reason, and some of the moves were only used on dummys, how well it worked was down to the user.
redkittyspaw 1 year ago
I feel sorry for all the guys that bought into Liung Tings Ving Tsun.
"Yeah, let's keep our guard low....that's a good idea!"
"Yeah, let's have all our weight on our back foot...that's a good idea!"
That being said, I know there are some dudes out there that can kick ass with VT.....but I'd credit their fighter instincts over sound technique.
BongSao1979 2 years ago
I suppose this place is as good as any to write this down; even moreso due to the seemingly mature users.
First off, I'm not really a martial artist: Been learning some things here and there but never endowed myself deep in any style, so I don't speak much out of practical experience.
Now, I do seem to recall that, when Muay Thai was unknown to the rest of the world, a lot of the more modern martial arts got beat by Muay Thai, until westerners with their bigger body frame started to learn it.
kodain 2 years ago
And then it started to get dominated by the westerners instead.
The point I'm trying to make is that all martial arts reflect the era they were invented in.
Muay Thai is a modern form of Muay Boran, which was used in war, so it's natural that it's a style adapted to killing, it's very efficient.
China has several different martial arts; some more traditional, some more combat efficient.
Jujutsu was trained by the samurai in order to fight when they lost their swords.
kodain 2 years ago
Judo is an adapted/evolved form of Jujutsu, that removed some techniques, and added some, that the founder found fitting, a new style is born.
BJJ is the same thing really; they took Jujutsu, and made it into their own style, same way how there are several styles of Karate.
Thing is however, that some arts, like Boxing, kickboxing, BJJ, are quite young in terms of age, and they have been brought up in a peaceful era, so it's natural in my eyes that they would be more sports oriented.
kodain 2 years ago
Now, don't get me wrong; I do not doubt the ability to use it practically outside a ring. But the issue I seem to get every time with the MMA vs. Other arts is that people forget that the very mindset is different:
A MMA fighter is used to fight in a ring with rules. Obviously, he will not think the same outside the ring, but it's going to be ther etched in muscles and mind, since he's used to it.
kodain 2 years ago
And as such, he will still fight a lot like he would in a ring.
Now, imagine if you train every day, with the mindset that a fight could mean your life, that your opponent is out to kill you, and that he is armed or might be armed, your entire mindset will be different.
Another important fact is that most fights today are not 1v1, it's 1vmany, or 1vmany with weapons.
Take the IDF that uses Krav Maga as an example; They are taught that if you go to the ground, you're dead, because of this.
kodain 2 years ago
So, an MMA fighter that is used to fight in the ring, might have to stop and think, that he should go for the throat, the groin, the eyes etc.
Whereas someone trained in that, won't have to think at all; he'll do it without thinking.
If you stop to think in a fight, you're dead.
To redoubt the issue with "The deadly moves never being shown on YT": They are trained, but not used in sparring, for a damn good reason: You don't want to permanentaly maim your uke.
kodain 2 years ago
The drawback with this however is that you will have a lack of experience using the moves when the time comes when you will need them however.
Another thing worth noting is that a lot of arts see their art only as a means to survive. Which is why WC and Ninjutsu are not to supposed compete, I suppose.
So in essence, ANY art can be used, just that some are more specialized in certain fields: Some for sport and ringfighting, some for health, some for life and death combat.
kodain 2 years ago
The sum of it all is: Don't waste time trying to find one that is "best", but rather find one that suits your situation, body build, and style, the most.
Phew, that was a lot of posts. Do apologize for almost hogging an entire page for myself; just something that's been weighing heavily on my chest for a long time.
kodain 2 years ago
The intention behind the art conception is not he important thing. Wether an art was invented with war/sport in mind is'nt actually relevant.
What is relevant is that the art evolves to be more efficient through actual fighting not through drills and compliant techniques.
Imagine learning to drive a car but your not allowed to actually start the car and go on the road all you can do is drills and forms that show you the movements required to steer the wheel, change gear etc..
tillerbear 2 years ago
This is why boxing, MMA, Kyokushin will always be superior to arts like Wing Chun. They have been eveolving through constant application not theory and rhetoric.
tillerbear 2 years ago
You make it sound like Wing Chun and BBT practitioners never actually practice the move but just learn the theory behind it.
Although yes, they can never fully duke it out, like a lot of other arts.
It's important that the art evolves, I agree. But to what end?
An art that is made for sport, will naturally become more efficient... For sport.
So yes, the intention and use of the art is very relevant.
kodain 2 years ago
This just shows your ignorance. To train in an alive manner does'nt mean you have to spar at 100% intensity. Its just about controlled resistance with a non compliant opponent.
Just look at Kyokushin. Mass Oyama started with Goju Ryu Karate and through years of fighting the art change into somwething that closer resembles Muai Thai than traditional Karate. Its easy to work out why: Its because hands up by face, chin tucked and even weight distribution is the most efficient way to fight.
tillerbear 1 year ago
Both BBT and WC has randori.
No guard is perfect: A high guard exposes the middle section of the body, whereas a middle guard exposes the head.
Tucking your chin is is basic in every martial art; it's the first thing you learn when practicing ukemi.
Both WC and BBT focuses a lot on having a stable body and balance.
Also, most hard styles rely too much on strength, so when old, those techniques won't work as well.
Using the centre of gravity or opposing force, anyone can do disregarding age.
kodain 1 year ago
I'm not dissing Kyoukushin, nor Muay Thai.
It's just that you need to broaden your view a little bit: There is no such thing as "best" or "superior" art.
As a budoka, I'm proud to represent and study my style, but I won't neglect other arts, nor will I deny the shortcomings of my own, because those exist in EVERY art.
kodain 1 year ago
No what actually happened was that Westerners modified some aspects of Muay Thai (mainly the Dutch) and started to dominate the traditional Muay Boran fighters. Then the Thai's realised the sport Western way was actually more efficient so they also adapted.
tillerbear 1 year ago
lol that was what i thought too. I thought that muay thai was undefeatable (not so much of the unknown the part), but Muay Thai top fighters were defeated in China Dec 09. A 5 vs 5 battle in which the top Muay Thai fighters challenged the Shaolin monks (but they refused/against their practice). The Muay Thai fighters were faced against China's Sanda (or Sanchou) fighters and lost. China-4 and Muay Thai- 1.
AssassinGhost 2 years ago
Sanshou is a good example of the point im making.
Kung Fu stylists started fighting regularly and the art changed into something simular to Muay Thai.(only with throws)
You'll see No wide stances or impractical guards its all even weight distribution, chin tucked, kicking with the shin etc..
tillerbear 1 year ago
Only that in Sanda they wear body armor, gloves, headgear, don't allow strikes to vital parts, don't have a ground game ever so loved in competitions etc. etc.
They do practice it outside competitions though, and we're back to where we started: Outside competition, outside real sparring. Must be shit then?
They restrict themselves so much just in order to compete. If a BBT user would have to remove all deadly or maiming techniques we wouldn't have anything left.
kodain 1 year ago
That being said, look at a Muay Thai match from Thailand, when they got no protection and roped forearms, where people die and get carried out on a stretcher.
Is that what you want to happen when someone competes?
Snapped elbows, broken necks and knees? Or even weapons? Realistic? Sure, but I don't see a promising future for that type of competition.
kodain 1 year ago
You really think pewny 4-5 oz gloves make such a huge difference? Your wrong. Bare knuckle matches are still very common in Thailand and Cambodia fatalities are extremely rare. As for Brazil theyve had Vale Tudo (anything goes) rules competions for over 70 years.
Deadly techniques dont exist. Dont you get it? If youve never practised something against a fully resisting opponent in training how you gonna pull it
tillerbear 1 year ago
So a blow to the throat or neck is not deadly? The back of the head is not deadly? The groin is not deadly?
It's been mentioned earlier by both myself and another: We don't get practical experience as much due to the very nature of the move.
We don't deny that.
But we practice it, over and over again, so that when the oppurtunity presents itself, we can go for it.
Randori is semi-resisting and with no set attack pattern.
You must still follow the attack, lest you want your elbow snapped.
kodain 1 year ago
Snapping an elbow from a punch takes less than 1-2 seconds.
Once he got hold of your elbow, like when caught in a Juji Gatame, a Kimura, or a choke, people know that if they don't tap, they will get hurt.
Because we both perform and receive the move, we know that when caught in it, it's best to yield to it.
Naturally, we train to counter ending up in a position like that, but once in it, you're done.
If we trained with 100% resist, we'd cripple our Uke for life. It's too easy to go overboard.
kodain 1 year ago
And yes, a glove makes a difference: It adds weight to the hand, it increases the thickness making it harder to slip through openings, and from what I can tell, makes it hard to open up and raising the hand, making palm strikes difficult.
kodain 1 year ago
You talk about things that you have no experince of as if your an authority on the subject.
Palm striking with mma gloves is not a problem, its just an excuse for not sparring. Arts like WT/WC, Bujinkan, Kenpo, Aikido use excuses like this so the instructors dont have to prove their ability.
Its 'too deadly' is just nonesence , in fact its an outright lie. Try one class at a good BJJ school and you will understand why alicve training is the onely real way.
tillerbear 1 year ago
No its not, In mma you get punched in the throat by powerful athletic guys regularly in training. Not on purpose but it happens. The back of the head is'nt 'Deadly' either its banned because repetition over time can cause brain damage. Groin shots are certainly not deadly. You sound like you've been brainwashed.
In Judo Randori is always at 100% intensity, rarely are arms and legs broken.
tillerbear 1 year ago
The back of the head isn't deadly... Right...
A strong enough impact to the testicles can cause the body to enter shock and shut off.
In Judo the majority of the Randori is THROWS, not locks. And fingers get broken every now and then.
Also I dunno: The brief 1-2 months I experienced WC we pulled no punches when practicing. If we saw an opening we went for it.
I'm not dissing other arts, why must you persist in dissing mine an others?
kodain 1 year ago
I dont mean to 'dis' any style. My problem is with various training methodologies.
If WT schools started encorporating REGULAR sparring and physical conditioning they would start to produce people who could fight....But the art would also start to change.
You fight how you train, so if its all compliant drills and forms your not learning anything appliable its just my opinion. Im 30 years old and have done martial arts since 1991.
tillerbear 1 year ago
I'm not disagreeing with you: The lack of resisting sparring gives a lack of practical experience, no denying that.
Dunno about WT, I only did WC, and have some fond memories of pain from that.
But please do understand: We practice slow in BBT in order to not cause injury, and once we know how to perform and handle the attack properly, we start to semi-resist, along with maybe even punishing the move if not done properly.
The latter I get to experience every training -.-"
kodain 1 year ago
The basic flaw in striking arts like WC is that you can learn techniques, but you cant develop skill because training properly would involve instant injuries. Judo in contrast has a limited range of techniques, but proponents get to actually develop skill by fighting resisting opponents full contact. Only in newaza can you actually develop skill.
Andybaby 2 years ago
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AuomAk 2 years ago
I like the arguements going on in the comment section of this video.
They're calm, peaceful and both parties respect each other.
None of this 'you're a fucking dumbass' or that other trash you see nowadays.
Props to everyone.
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alejandrocastr 2 years ago
wing chun is the one :)
cr4nkuk 2 years ago
wing tyun is the truth!
never lost a REAL street fight
what happens in the ring is just sport
giacomo379 2 years ago 13
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Wing Tsun maybe the truth who knows but Muay-Thai is King. :)
iApna 2 years ago
Wing has indeed experienced the best fighters in history INCLUDING YIP MAN, BRUCE LEE. But it doesnt mean that other martial arts arent good. Every martial art has its own characteristics but as a symobolic figure representitive to the art itself, Wing Chun is the Best. Muay Thai may also be good but every1 has its own choices, I cant force u THAT NO ONLY WING CHUN IS THE BEST. Like my Sifu said, you cant force a person wearing a green shirt to wear a orage shirt. Its totaly your choice ! Peace
freesoul299 2 years ago
Every art has experienced great fighters. To say that Wing Chun has experienced the best is not true. There is no significant evidence that supports the claim. Perhaps I am not looking in the right place though. Go research Mitsuyo Maeda. He had won over 2000 fights in his career. How many did Bruce Lee win?
Bruce Lee did more for Martial Arts than any other person in history. He might have also been the best MMA practitioner of all time. But that does not make him the best fighter.
iApna 2 years ago
If a great fighter was determined by winning fights, then those who invented this art would be really losers because it was initially a mode of survival back then. Anyways, if you like Muay Thai, its up 2 u !! go ahead I am not forcing on ur choice !!
And I never said bruce lee was good because he won so and so many fights ??
freesoul299 2 years ago
Freesoul299-Times have changed. People are bigger whether that means fat or muscular. More martial-art facilities are available compared to even just 10 years ago. Espeacially MMA and Thai clubs which train heavily on endurance, stamina & strength. It doesnt matter what happened 100's of years ago or even during Bruce Lee's time. If you're training for defence or sport-Can your training stand up to hard hitting MMA practitioners? Is it tested? Is your trainer experienced and tested?
iApna 2 years ago
Freesoul299 - I am not forcing anyone to give up Wing-Chun or Tsun. If someone says Wing Chun is "great, "the truth", etc. I would like to see the proof. Giving examples of Bruce Lee or Yip Mann does not mean anything these days. Times have changed. Some recent examples are needed if someone is going to claim "The best"
iApna 2 years ago
it does matter what happened a very long time ago,even in bruce lee's time..time paved the way for many fighters to understand the concept of these arts before practiced,it matters not the size or height of any man,we are all human..its not always the strongest who wins but the smartest..many arts focus on weak points and probability..how would u know how to defend urself if u don't know how u can be attacked? yes time has passed but knowledge is power,some back then had it more than many today.
bobylight 2 years ago
why do you even think Bruce studied philosophy?...the mind has to be just as fit as your body in order for you to obtain such skill and to control the outcome of a fight or even other challenges in life,even if you may not control the outcome completely your chances of victory increases...no matter how big your opponent is,if you are more dedicated to a necessary art then your possibility to come out as the victor increases with all the knowledge...
bobylight 2 years ago
iApna,yes,it can.Wing Chun/Wing Tsun was developed to counter traditional Chinese martial arts,such as Shaolin,so it was the MMA of it's day,if you know what to look for,MMA and Thai clubs systems have their own weakness',thats why so many mixed Thai with BJJ,the rock-scissors game and arms race goes on,times have changed and go back to traditional arts in many ways,professional operators can't afford to go to the ground,put weapon and gear on try,Thai bxing & MMA in close quarters
OakIslandBandit 2 years ago
wing chun for life
blackWarlord12 2 years ago
Gracias por el vídeo , saludos
alejandrocastr 2 years ago
Wing chun as experience the best fighters in the history namely Yip Man, Bruce Lee, etc...
freesoul299 2 years ago
huh? I think you should go check your facts. Bruce Lee and Yip Man where not the best fighters in history.
iApna 2 years ago
They were indeed ONE of the best fighters in history. It doesnt mean that other cant b good as well !! But Yip man was the best in his field, bruce lee was his student and he was good as well (but not as him). NO OFFENCE BUT NAME ME 1 MUAY THAI FIGHTER WHO HAS CHANGE THE COURSE OF MUAY THAI AS A WHOLE !! Its rethorical dont worry !!
We should b open mind enough to considerate the fact that every martial art has its own characteristics !!! ^_^ b happy dude and njoy ur life no matter by WC or MT
freesoul299 2 years ago
very awesome thank you man !
someone know where we can buy a woodman !
merouf 2 years ago 4
i love bruce lee and his commitment and inovation. he has reformed martial arts
nerdo14 2 years ago 2
Some of what you learn in WC is useful. But there is however no comparison between the level of intensity between Muay-Thai or MMA and Kung-fu training.
What will prepare you best for a street fight? 40% conditioning, 30% sparring, 30% technique.
If you're club does not kick your ass than your gonna a get an ass kicking by someone else.
Btw. Defense is overrated Offence is the best defense.
iApna 2 years ago
Wingchun is for selfdefence ONLY. No Rules No Laws.
The one that use Wingchun outside the club for brawls hurting people becomes punished severly.
Or for you to learn to flow with another practitioner.
It is the way ot the heart, The way of truth.
The way of the intercepting fist. The way of no way.
BushLieWorldDie 2 years ago
I Agree Wingchun is the truth . Flowing trough you.Store energy , transform,produce in action = Couse and effect. Meditation in movment.
The truth flows.
The truth comes before the thought.
The words is only for chasing thoughts.
Hands of steel head of glass body of cotton.May your mind be clear,Heart open, Root strong.
Bless
BushLieWorldDie 2 years ago
i'm very interested
sk8m4ng 2 years ago 2
Nice collection of clips. Good Work!
DrTzeus 2 years ago
the problem is that the people who attempt to use eastern martial arts aren't well trained enough. the masters do not fight for sport, they simply instruct. A wing chun master would not easily be hit in a ufc match. i'm pretty tired of people comparing everything to the ufc, it's completely different than street fighting, which is what most martial arts are based around.
kazuko26 2 years ago
well ufc is that what comes close to a street fight.
cave321 2 years ago
not really. 1v1, no groin shots, same weight class, rounds, trainers, set time and date, medical team, no hits to the back of the head, no hits to the throat, no kicks to the head on the ground, no knees to the head on the ground, no downward elbows to the crown of the head, no joint strikes, no weapons, softer mat, no environment, crowd, and many other things like fighting the same person more than once, referee, no eye gouging, no hair pulling, tapping out, i would put more but it won't fit xP
kazuko26 2 years ago
The only things, but more realistic than wt. You had hard gloves which are like normal hands. You learn to fight on the ground, even when he punsh you, you learn to conter. And pushing in the eye, kicking to the head on the ground is nothing what someone should learn...
cave321 2 years ago
except it is what happens in a street fight! and you will not have a cup, mouth guard and wrist wraps to hold you together! or a ref to pull them off of you!
DrTzeus 2 years ago
No ref but maybe a friend. And even without the protecs it is much more close to a streetfight than wing tsun. The most people fight with bare knuckles. Like in mma. When you see the videos of streetfight you see always peole with bare knuckles try to punch each others face. Nothing with "finger in the eye" or something like that.
cave321 2 years ago
Either it is real or it is not. You can't say one is "more" realistic.
You are looking at TRAINING CLIPS of WT and then comparing it to sport fighting events. You are not comparing the right things. Imagine if I posted clips of MMA training showing only them flipping truck tires around, hitting focus mitts, and doing technical work on positioning and then compaired that to WT free sparring or Lat Sau. What would be closer to a "fight"?
I agree that MMA hurts more in training, like a fight.
DrTzeus 2 years ago
IMHO MMA or even just MThai is better for street fighting.
In my club we do not worry about defense as much. We are more interested in busting ribs, breaking legs and taking heads off. Don't get me wrong there is defence. Our club is extremely aggressive.
But to do that you need the conditioning. You have to expect to get hit and the fight might be 5 minutes or more. You also have to expect a much larger and stronger opponent.
No class begins without an intense hour workout.
iApna 2 years ago
come on, finger in the eye excuse? Do you see arm bars or RNC in a street fight? do you see people avoiding kneeing the groin? No, which is why you can't compare limited rules in a cage to a real fight.
People don't train to finger in the eye so it is not going to happen to any degree of success. People do get scratched in the eye all the time, even in grappling training. Imagine what happens when it is done with intent? But WT doesn't count on it anyway, its not a legal defense in many States.
DrTzeus 2 years ago
I say that mma is much more close to a streetfight than any other martial art. Of course their are no armbars in a streetfight but in mma you learn what happen if you are laying on the ground. In mma you learn to take a fist to the head and not one with big gloves. You learn to take a fist with gloves, hard as fists.
cave321 2 years ago
OK, I can agree with you sorta. The Sport Fights in MMA competition are closer to real fights due to the pain, damage, and control of fear. Also, Sport Fighters should do really well in real fights because of the experience.
But not very many MMA people actually do cage fights. They just do the training. Personally I am not interested in the style of fighting they train that is modified to fit the rules. and I am not interested in damaging my body on purpose to tuffing up.
DrTzeus 2 years ago 2
Ok so classical Wing Chun/Tsun fighers are limited due to the rules. But then so are all others. Ok maybe MMA events are not the place for classical Wing Chun/Tsun fighters for that matter even Thai fighters who have no ground game.
But how about K-1? Where you have representation from many arts. Wing Chun/Tsun is a no show.
iApna 2 years ago
First not many master exist if any in the UFC. Most if not all masters are past their fighting prime.
Why would anyone want to learn from someone that cannot prove their skills? I can understand if the master, ajarn, etc... is old, but if the club has no proven fighters then training there is a risk in itself.
If your trainer is young and out-of-shape thats another warning (under 40). Bruce Lee himself was sickened by fat belly out of shape instructors.
iApna 2 years ago
what Wing Tsun needs is someone to go into UFC with it and prove the naysayers wrong.
bebo3ful 2 years ago
wing chun is probably the fastest art in existence and it most effective for close combat.
federalist29 2 years ago 8
at 2:00-2:06 Bruce Lee was chewing gum and still doin his thang...lol
Garthug 2 years ago
sactastico!!!!!
chumkui999 2 years ago
wow that was gay. here let me give you my arms so you can do some fancy movie style flips and kicks and i submissively fall to the ground so you can hit me some more like a little butterfly.
hooventoot 2 years ago
Okay the hand is just a reference when training. You trap to hit not hit to trap. In other words You trap when your opponent puts his hand to block you from striking him.
Bladestar7 2 years ago
.........huh? im not worried about it.
hooventoot 2 years ago
holy shit O.O the last 10 seconds :D omg
MaKiDesignZ1992 2 years ago
your video was awesome the music fit. ving tsun does work find the lineage .Ip ching & Ip chun are the living oracles of Ip mans ving tsun. you find this lineage and you will see for yourself. great video.
skullcrush21 2 years ago
agree :D. i study under ip chun lineage. it freakin works. but when "making it work"...i.e. on the street, each individual has to take the fight to their own mind, not the mind of their sifu or sifus of lineage. watever works, efficiently, is technically wing chun, or if not, then jkd, but "making it work" depends on the situation. but i love this art, and i also do san shou and it can be applied in the ring too :D
crazy4japan 2 years ago 2
Samuel Kwok & Carlson Gracie watch the video. I find it funny when they say wing chun does not work...then there idol totally disagress. Carlson Gracie was training in wing chun with Sifu Kwok.
schazam04 2 years ago
that is Bruce Lee style also
bassamry 2 years ago
bruce lee had no style...he was formless
Uberboy07 2 years ago
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Siddhartha2 2 years ago
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Siddhartha2 2 years ago
nice video
SuperTutorialKing 2 years ago
great video, very crappy music
szcz 2 years ago
Great WT video. Nice work. Congratulations.
Mitchcancun 2 years ago
is not comlete
erdogan05071977 2 years ago
probably the most motivating wing tsun video i saw on youtube !! great work to the editor !! some clip i never saw before.
ambucias 2 years ago 3