Pounding a Stone - Morio Higaonna 10 dan Goju-ryu

[volvo7055]

ОН ГОЛОВОЙ ТАК МОЖЕТ??? ПОДБОРОДКОМ МОЖЕТ В СОСТОЯНИИ СДЕЛАТЬ Т/Ж САМОЕ???

[BestSolidSnake007]

Gojo ryu looks great but I stay with kyokushinkai :)

[psymodeller]

WTF???????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!­!!!

[ookami3380]

there are rumors that mas oyama spent his last years in horrific pain cause his cartilage turned to bone. i dont know if he had arthritis but cause of this kind of training (hardening the joints) it backfired in the old age.

i mean i want to be strong and tough but i imagine the last years of my life somewhere on the beach drinking my umbrella drinks and watching the sunset instead of hanging out in the waiting rooms at the doctor eating analgetic pills and whatnot....

[Aurumk1]

@ookami3380 By the time you are that old, they will probably have a cure for that, drink up, lol!

[ppadmaperuma]

Hi! Can anyone tell me why people work so hard to learn this type of fighting? I mean, what's the point?

[datguy197]

I hate how everyone compares martial arts to MMA. Kung Fu for example is always labeled as being ineffictive. Well it sure as hell worked 500 years ago. Humans havent grown another arm or a leg in those 500 years so I would say that its all good.

[ganjislammer]

@datguy197 cuz kung fu or any other martial art has been watered down. and its not like they used kung fu like they did in the movies. most of the martial arts learned back then were weapon trainings for the battlefield. so its really hard to compare the same art from 500 years ago to today. take muay boran for instance. its was for killing on the battlefield when u didnt have a weapon, u would turn ur body into one. but now it watered down to muay thai.

[maximus31k]

Traditional martial arts vs MMA. Both are entirely different. One is for competition and entertainment. MMA has certain rules in which some movements are highly illegal. In martial arts you use what works and you permanently disable your attacker. In an effort of survival.

[maximus31k]

The purpose of this video for those who know about Okinawan martial history, stones, makiwara's, and other tools were used to train the body to kill. The stone pounding and makiwara teach a karateka how to harness deadly force enough to kill and maim. Goju Ryu was never intended for competition. I was made to kill or maim an attacker quickly and effectively with deadly force!!!

Great legends like Chojun Miyagi, Mas Oyama, and Morio Higaonna. Practiced traditional Goju Ryu!!

[avi30341]

aaaaaaaaaaaauuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuch­

[Dontusehaxfax101]

:O

[ShotokanBleach]

um what was the point of that video?

[lightseeker85]

@ShotokanBleach - focus, harden hands and possibly and old rock he has beaten on many times due to smooth edges. Hit harder on bags, rocks, trees rather than fully on humans because humans are more fragile.

[joseriostec]

PARECE QUE ESTA HACIENDO TORTILLAS , COMO SE ATREVIERON A SUBIR ESE VIDEO,NO SIRVE.

[robertmrivers]

You all are centered on the conditioning... you are missing a very important cultural aspect of this demonstration. If you think Higaonna Sensei brought out a rock only to show the crowd how tough he is then you have missed the boat. Everything about Okinawan karate is interlaced with culture, this is why you cannot dismiss certain practices as obsolete or ineffective and you certainly can't look at demos like this without understanding the culture. Take some time to read about WHY that is done

[LiamMJackson]

Tameshiwari (conditioning/breaking) has long been a martial arts practice. As for those who love quoting Bruce Lee movies, they may like to know that there's video of Lee breaking.. To those who don't understand the principles involved in tameshiwari, I would invite you to look into it a little deeper before trashing it. Now, having said that, the biggest problem with breaking is with "instructors" who promote breaking as the be-all, end-all" of martial training.

[Jakneife]

I should call the SPCA on him for being so cruel to his pet rock. What did that rock ever do to him?

In all seriousness, Higaonna sensei's hands are tough...and really gross looking.

[CTuxford]

Fantastic tamishiwari demo. If I'm his age and I can do that I'd be happy. Sport is for young guys, but his type of training is for life. I don't train that myself but I certainly appreciate the value in his traditional conditioning exercises.

[juadal12]

LOL lol hey that's funny , ain't it?

[reydar88]

umm.. hes not practicing techniques much on it. its for strengthening of arms/muscles. His hands are literally rock solid/hard. like how muscles repair themselves and become stronger, the same logic applies. Its just part of the overall training. Seems like some ppl see this as only one part. Any sportsman will do multiple forms training. (strength, agility, stamina) this is exactly like that.

[timmythealien]

On the contrary, stones do hit back. They hit back with the exact same force you hit it with (provided it doesn't break or move).

[otokonoyama]

Perhaps paraphrasing Bruce Lee would be appropriate here..."Stones don't hit back!"

[gojuryudan]

@otokonoyama I love it when people quote this... whats your point? he said it in a film to be sarcastic...you can find video of Bruce Lee breaking board etc, practising his techniques, Yeah stones dont hit back, but nether do heavy bags, but nobody ever tries to be smart and say that to boxers! whats your point?.....you know Bruce Lee films...well done!

[otokonoyama]

@gojuryudan The point is that the stone stuff is showmanship. Just like breaking boards.  The heavy bag is another beast. You can move around it, and practice punching just as you would on a person.

[gojuryudan]

@otokonoyama No, you cam clever saying you was paraphrasing Bruce Lee, but you made no point! Hitting stones and makiwara is conditioning spirit building etc, hitting the bag can also be this. whats your point here? I was a decent amateur boxer so have done my share of bag work, Im also a long time practioner of Goju ryu so have sone hand conditioning/arm forgin work and both have a place! again, whats your point? your just quoting films!

[otokonoyama]

@gojuryudan Indeed I made a point. A heavy bag, a machiwara, these give and take. They are live. A stone is not much different from a brick wall. Punching or pounding either may be quite the show, but as for any further value...nada.

[gojuryudan]

@otokonoyama Im sorry but your wrong and thats not what you said originally you just quoted a film that made no point.

Its just a different way to condintion you hands, arms etc for impact. The difference between myself and you, is that I see a value in both kinds of training as I have done both and know what they give me, I could now probably punch you as hard as I can in the top of the skull with no protection on my hands and wont brake my hands or hurt them, thats from pounding, not bag work

[otokonoyama]

@gojuryudan The point has always been the same. Boards, a stone, a brick wall...none of them hit back. A heavy bag, a machiwara, a sparring partner - all of them do. Not sure why you'd want to hit anyone as hard as you can in the top of the skull, but...best of luck to you.

[gojuryudan]

@otokonoyama I think we will have to agree to disagree..Osu!

[DementedDegsy]

@otokonoyama the stone hitting back is not the point you tit ! and as for Bruce Lee looked good on the screen but not much else !

[osensei2987]

@otokonoyama Spoken by a guy that died with a stomach full of marijuana. LOL! No! But people who hit stones do!

[otokonoyama]

@osensei2987 That stone show reminds me of a great Nagamine Shoshin (of Matsubayashi Ryu) quote, "Oh, we have just as many fakes, phonies, and charlatans right here in Okinawa as you do in the West."

[samurai184]

morio higaonna is a great fighter and goju is one of the best karate styles in my opinion

[pleasendlost]

I have trained in many many styles over the last 20 years...from traditional, to competion to MMA to reality based stuff. I respect trad stuff as being an "art", my comments were more in reply to demented degs comments, I notice he hasnt come back with another response. these days i keep it simple, just practise tried and true techniques with a little conditioning to support the techniques...when I practised trad MA I felt there were just too many superfuous techniques, just not needed

[osensei2987]

@pleasendlost Without traditional MA, most MA would degenerate into tough man competitions featuring mediocre fighters using a bunch of sloppy techniques that are supposedly, "What works...!". There would be no refined technique without traditional MA. It's not that traditional MA are not effective or that the techniques are not "realistic". Rather, I think that too many traditionalist lack good strategies and tactics. Too much trading punches and force on force going on.

[eugenemcfadden]

@pleasendlost, to be fair, then, wrapping up your hands is great for a competition but not very useful out of the ring when opponents might not be willing to give you time to ready yourself. Speaking in self defence terms you must be incredibly lucky to never hurt your hand on someone else's face in a physical confrontation as several of the bones in the skull are harder than the bones in the hands.

[pete9490]

Try to go out and hit a rock like that... It's not that easy

[pleasendlost]

changes nothing...this "demonstration" proves nothing, apart from some old bloke can hit a stone...usual static staged karate nonsense...there is no point to conditioning your hands for this unless all you want to do is hit stones! LMAO boxers wrap their hands to protect them becasue 12 rounds is pretty hard on the small hand bones, its difficult to sustain that over a career so wrap up! As for self defence, i have never hurt my hand on anyone's face and neither have any other boxers i know!

[GoJuRyuDeshi]

@pleasendlost Your viewpoint is valid for one who desires to compete in competition, but there is another side, some of us train to harden ourselves, discipline and control our lives and bodies. Traditional training is more suited to that purpose, and when it was used - it was used hard, fast and deadly. Ideally though, one would never have to, or really want to use it. Why would I desire to hurt someone?

[pleasendlost]

@GoJuRyuDeshi No desire to compete anymore, neither any desire to fight...just a desire to be able to protect myself with simple techniques. My original point was that what exactly is he trying to demonstrate here? And also the point that - far from "conditioning" your hands, this kind of thing will more than likely wreck them.

[AlphaRocketX]

@pleasendlost It will wreck your hands if you do it wrong. You start out conditioning with really light hits, gradually developing the ability to hit harder.

[pleasendlost]

@AlphaRocketX But why? What is the point? What does this demonstrate?

[AlphaRocketX]

@pleasendlost It demonstrates how conditined his knuckles are to whithstand pain and their ability to withstand damage and "not get wrecked". I am a practitioner of martial arts, but I guarantee if I hit that rock the way he was, I would get hurt.

[GoJuRyuDeshi]

@pleasendlost Also, In calling calling Morio Higaonna 'some old bloke' you betray your lack of training. No master of any art you've ever studied would support your disrespect of Sensei Higaonna. Statements like that are only made my young enthusiasts trying to firm up their MMA v Trad MA resolve.

[HairofSteel555]

@GoJuRyuDeshi 11 year_ Ikkyu_ Goju-ka

I learned to ignore most of the MMA enthusiasts, they waste time with talking about UFC. When they start to get you mad, just think. They use padded gloves and punch a sand filled bag, we punch a makiwara bear knuckled. Then think of them pounding a rock. Normally I just end up walkiing away after that.

[ganjislammer]

@HairofSteel555 the only problem with that is, it can damage u badly in the long run o.O; it may seem "weaker" to hit a sandbag, but at the end of the day it gives u the same results and doesnt give you damage later on. seems like its just being smart IMO.

[iBeansOnToasTi]

@GoJuRyuDeshi

Nicely said. Agree with you 100%.

[Aurumk1]

@GoJuRyuDeshi I'm sorry but MMA isn't good because it lacks waaay too much technique. Sure it develops power really well but the philosophy of non conflict isn't there, making people too quick to hurt and when you don't focus on the set of moves for a very long time, you won't be as good as some of the guys that stayed in one art forever.

[JohnKillrory]

@GoJuRyuDeshi I take the art of Goju-ryu and have trained with Sensei Higaonna, We trained in our style just like he trains. He is the real deal when it comes to the reason i love Goju-ryu. He can kill you and that is no joke. We are taught Goju-ryu is never a sport but is there to hurt or kill your attacker. I do not fight in the tag tournaments even at black belt. Goju-ryu is the hardest thing i have ever taken. It is also the most rewarding. It truly is the Art of warfare..TAW.

[JohnKillrory]

@JohnKillrory For any person who is wanting to learn this ART. I say to only go to traditional school. I have seen many schools and the traditional ones are the real deal. All traditional ARTS came from war and the hand to hand styles. That is why we stay low in Goju-ryu. higher kicks and get you killed. A kick will always be a fist.

[gojuryudan]

@pleasendlost No offence but if you have every hit anyone hard without gloves on you will break your hand, I broke the bones in the back of my hand twice, its classed as a boxers fracture. Also I have trained alot of MMA, catchwrestling, lutra livre etc and also do alot of goju ryu. Both have their place, all techinuques have their place, every style has questionable things, bjj has techniques you would never land in a real fight. Mario is a life times work, you should respect that. Osu.

[pleasendlost]

@gojuryudan No disrespect you either mate, but in the clashes I regretfully got into when a little younger, my hands came away unscathed...the worst injury was a gash from teeth, no amount of conditioning could have prevented that...I just don't see the advantage of this kind of hard conditioning, surely it will cause harm in later years?

[gojuryudan]

@pleasendlost I too have had encouters when my hands didnt get hurt. I caught someone on the side of the head when I broke my hand first time, it ws probably weak after that! All systems have some sort of impact damage, some people will be affected others wont. Morio is into his seventies nnow and I think he ok, my sensei trained with him in the 70's & 80's his knuckles are huge from this and he ok. I think the build of callus onbone to harden it has a specific name..I look it up!

[osensei2987]

@gojuryudan I have learned not to say that a particular technique will not work in a real fight. The problem with these so-called questionable techniques is that often instructors do not teach them in the proper context. For example: some techniques are considered finishing moves (TODOME). In other words, they are meant to be used to finish an attacker once u have them under control and they are not in a position to offer effective resistance. They r not meant for use on live wire attackers.

[gojuryudan]

@osensei2987 What?! not sure your point follows on from what im saying here.

Osu!

[osensei2987]

@pleasendlost Try Mike Tyson! He broke his hand in street fights on several occasions. This is self-defense. If u are forced to face a weapon and running is not an option, then the best option is weapon vs weapon. However, an obvious weapon may not be at ur disposal, esp. if ur caught off guard. Dealing w/ weapons empty handed is not simple. U have to know what ur doing, but having hardened hands r assets in that situation. U can break the attacker's bones when other fighters can't!

[lesterado]

ouch, ouch, ouch, ouch, ouch, ouch.....

[iamnogood09]

"a stone don't hit back" ?? .... for fucks sake. Isn't that obvious ??

Theres always one or two people who have to quote chung li from Bloodsport .

[edlo123]

@iamnogood09 actualy that was bruce lee enter the dragon

[NYKgjl10]

Great video of Sensei Higaonna. I'm a Kyokushin Karateka and I am a fan of Goju Ryu Hojo Undo training methods.I also have friends in Gojo Ryu as well =) Respect to all Karate practioners and Sensei Higaonna.

OsU

[Joshinkan]

This looks stupid...and is stupid

[DementedDegsy]

@Joshinkan

your the stupid one you mongrel for not recognising a master of his calibre ! a man of great wisdom, humility and power !

[gojuryudan]

@DementedDegsy You shouldnt bite to these low life scum. They have actually no idea what it takes to be that good, that conditioned, and at that age its amazing! if karate is your thing or not, Mario is a life times work of training and dedication...show some respect.

[EarlGrey1991]

Yeah a stone dont hit back! But I bet u dont hit back too if Sensei Higaonna punches you!

Respect to Sensei Higaonna!!!!

[Sabaition]

Lol, dead right EarlGrey... Dead right!!!

[Lee7676]

a stone dont hit back!

[DementedDegsy]

@Lee7676

you are another prick who doesn't see further than the end of his nose !

[EVEROSFP1]

this is true in a high degree but all styles depends on the individuals.For example,in the first TKD schol that i was studied(and trainHARD)never saw a knee or leg or muscle injury but when i changed school injuries were frequent,,,Thankfully i finally went to a third school :).When i was training in some "soft"system the instructor used to accuse the so called "hard"styles.I Think that all systems are great but dont fit to everybody.

[SuperMetalTube]

Strangely enough, you don't get cancer by hitting things. Perhaps liniment might cause it though. Greeks caused lots of skin cancer in australia for instance by going around putting free suncream on sunbathers.

[kamikazie0282]

to hit hard, no. That comes from technique

to not damage your hand when you hit, the training is nice

you are right though, some people take the training of their hands/shins to extremes.

[brasshandmartialarts]

hitting the stone is about mental discipline and also a courage factor...if your not in favor of this dont post on them...domo.

[DementedDegsy]

@pleasendlost

more gobshites who don't understand the point of conditioning the body !

[xAkiyamax]

Many Karateka train not only for fighting but also for the mental/spiritual benefits. Pounding your fists and shins can have very therapeutic benefits. I think Higaonna Sensei stopped training for "self defense" a long long time ago.

[pleasendlost]

Pounding it? He's barely hitting it! These kinds of demonstrations are absolutely pointless, they prove nothing. How "hard" your fists are has no bearing at all on how hard or fast you can hit someone. Why do you think boxers, who wrap their hands and wear big thick gloves, can still hit hard with bare fists? Conditioning is unnecessary.

[NameTaken1000]

The more you hit something and cause shock, your body compensates by strengthening the surround bones and tissue. Your body does this as a means to cope with the constant impact and therefore adapts to this routine. Karate people do this for the ability to land consistent blows over and over, without having to worry about the damage that normal fists go through. Solid bone mass coupled with proper form in a punch, does make a difference. With such dense bone mass there is little room for give.

[pleasendlost]

Yeah...but only when throwing perfect karate punches with correct form. In a self defence situation that aint gonna happen! All the boxers I've known who have been unfortunate enough to have been in street fights had no problems whatsoever hitting hard, it was only after it was all over that they felt any injury or pain. Building up calcium and gristle all over your hands is asking for an old age of painful arthritis! If youre that bothered about hurting your fist, hit with a palm heel!

[NameTaken1000]

I haven't said anything against boxers, but what I say holds true. Karate people who are skilled enough can land proper punches in a fight situation just like boxers can. Fighters who are good, tend to adapt to the situation. Arthritis does not happen as a result of that. My sensei is 68 yearsold and has done that for more than 35 years of his life and does not suffer from arthritis. He practices Kyokushin Kai but he still does the old fashion conditioning mixed with modern weight trainning.

[wannabeebee]

Yet again you are wrong..

Where do you get your information from?

There are 78 year old karate guys who conditioned their bodies still training and in good condition as any 23 year old athelete.

Now I know loads of people in their 30, 40 50 60,s who are just about f#cked physicaly.

It depends on how a person trains

Karate ka that smoke, drink and use drugs de generate just as quick as none karate ka

[wannabeebee]

Wrong. Please post a video of you hitting a makiwari with full power.

Otherwise you are talking rubbish.

Boxers in the main can not hit hard with bare fists unless they took the time to condition and train their hands and the rest of their bodies.

[DementedDegsy]

@pleasendlost what shite ! boxers wrap their hands to stop them breaking them cos they don't condition them you tit !

[kwak76]

why not just use a punching bag?

[singhakabuttar]

cause he dont want to.

[Nerubio]

cuz a stone is about 538 times more awesome.

[brasshandmartialarts]

Because when Te was created, they had no punching bags

[wannabeebee]

Trees? I must admit though pounding rocks has little value to anybody.

Unusual for this guy to show this as he is good