Dear TheHaIJp, Did it ever occur to you that some people might be students and have views that are considered 'radical' in society? Most people with supposed radical views get them from studying as wel as from personal experience. That is why the government doesn't care about people who studie more than 4 years. They might develop themselves and do more than advance scientific skills. Some might get interested in politics, or God forbid ethics and moral questions. That is having a critical mind.
Innocent student protest...but this is danger for goverment.Why ? because students saying "hey,king is nude!":))) then you will to be enemy for your goverment with this type action..
if you have not any reaction and criticism for your goverment's action then you are everytime to be "good citizen".. but ,if you have reaction and criticism for your goverment then you will to be danger person,communist,anarchist for your goverment.this is capitalism's real face..
A very restrained police reaction considering the throwing of bombs, bricks, insults (In Dutch: "I f*cked all your mothers???" Really dude?) destruction of property and generally disobeying police orders. Also many of these protesters aren't Dutch students but rather antifa "activists" who're abusing the anti fascist cause as an excuse for violence. Something the real students who are actually effected by the austerity measures and do know what they're protesting against are very much against.
@TheHaIJp Bombs, bricks, give me a break. Some firework, no bricks at all and barely any insults. Police batting little girls and anyone in their way. Most people were just standing there to see what's happening and got beaten because there was nowhere to escape to. Liar.
@godjei Liar? Great way to open a dialog friend. Don't like my opinion much huh? Would you like to add some "fireworks" to your insults to change my viewpoint?
@TheHaIJp Well I was there myself and you talk about bombs and bricks of which I can say that is simply not true. You also say these people are not students but antifa activists. Whether someone threw a brick or not is not a matter of opinion, it's simply not true.
@godjei You can literally see someone picking up a brick to throw it in this video. And besides that you may have been there but that doesn't mean you saw everything. I'm sorry to rain on your parade because I know you desperately trying to be part of something big and having a common enemy suits your purpose.
@TheHaIJp I honestly do not believe any bricks were thrown, and there are no bricks thrown in this video. You say these people were mostly people from anti-fa, being there to riot. I think this is not true either, most people standing there were students coming from the protest since the ministry of education is opposite the train station. You can disagree with those people standing there or not, they could have gone straight home ofcourse. But making up facts to support your opinion is lying.
@godjei I don't disagree with the protesters. I disagree with people who aren't even effected by the changes in the Dutch education system coming to mess up an otherwise legitimate protest. As for the fireworks: They were not regular fireworks and this wasn't new years eve. Try standing on one of these when it goes of and your foot will agree with me that an explosive of that strength doesn't care if it's called a bomb or fireworks. But I believe you when you say you believe what you believe....
@TheHaIJp I think you are right about the fireworks and agree that they were not helping. I also believe however, that everyone will be affected directly or indirectly by these measures and therefore has a right to protest against it. And also, although I disapprove of any violence I must say that the organized protest that was prior to this escalation was very disappointing. It felt like a rally for opposition parties. I wonder what would be a way of protest that would actually have any impact
@godjei Well we agree then that this issue is too important to let political parties (opposition or otherwise) or individuals with a personal intrest highjack it. Now as for the best way to protest I'm really not qualified to answer that. I once protested with 500.000 people and it still dind't work. But my instinct tells me that civil disobedience might be the answer. But with this government you really will have to make them feel it and you have to be smart, consistent and always on topic.
And then they started hitting them 3:00
thefloris007 1 year ago
stinkwouten
neukyt 1 year ago
de stenen liggen voor het oprapen..
Chieldeberzerker 1 year ago
wat lult de overheid met politiegeweld word niet getolereerd.
dit geweld van de politie word ook zeker niet getolereerd.
dmjeffrey 1 year ago
waarom vecht niemand terug!? Jullie zijn zo in de meerderheid.
sevensevenification 1 year ago
asociaal!!!! Me heeft zijn kick momentje weer gehad!!! Ik ga niet meer stemmen.....
ericahoekman 1 year ago
Dear TheHaIJp, Did it ever occur to you that some people might be students and have views that are considered 'radical' in society? Most people with supposed radical views get them from studying as wel as from personal experience. That is why the government doesn't care about people who studie more than 4 years. They might develop themselves and do more than advance scientific skills. Some might get interested in politics, or God forbid ethics and moral questions. That is having a critical mind.
nubbies 1 year ago
@nubbies Yes it did. What's your point?
TheHaIJp 1 year ago
Innocent student protest...but this is danger for goverment.Why ? because students saying "hey,king is nude!":))) then you will to be enemy for your goverment with this type action..
temir591 1 year ago
if you have not any reaction and criticism for your goverment's action then you are everytime to be "good citizen".. but ,if you have reaction and criticism for your goverment then you will to be danger person,communist,anarchist for your goverment.this is capitalism's real face..
temir591 1 year ago
A very restrained police reaction considering the throwing of bombs, bricks, insults (In Dutch: "I f*cked all your mothers???" Really dude?) destruction of property and generally disobeying police orders. Also many of these protesters aren't Dutch students but rather antifa "activists" who're abusing the anti fascist cause as an excuse for violence. Something the real students who are actually effected by the austerity measures and do know what they're protesting against are very much against.
TheHaIJp 1 year ago
@TheHaIJp Bombs, bricks, give me a break. Some firework, no bricks at all and barely any insults. Police batting little girls and anyone in their way. Most people were just standing there to see what's happening and got beaten because there was nowhere to escape to. Liar.
godjei 1 year ago
@godjei Liar? Great way to open a dialog friend. Don't like my opinion much huh? Would you like to add some "fireworks" to your insults to change my viewpoint?
TheHaIJp 1 year ago
@TheHaIJp Well I was there myself and you talk about bombs and bricks of which I can say that is simply not true. You also say these people are not students but antifa activists. Whether someone threw a brick or not is not a matter of opinion, it's simply not true.
godjei 1 year ago
@godjei You can literally see someone picking up a brick to throw it in this video. And besides that you may have been there but that doesn't mean you saw everything. I'm sorry to rain on your parade because I know you desperately trying to be part of something big and having a common enemy suits your purpose.
TheHaIJp 1 year ago
@TheHaIJp I honestly do not believe any bricks were thrown, and there are no bricks thrown in this video. You say these people were mostly people from anti-fa, being there to riot. I think this is not true either, most people standing there were students coming from the protest since the ministry of education is opposite the train station. You can disagree with those people standing there or not, they could have gone straight home ofcourse. But making up facts to support your opinion is lying.
godjei 1 year ago
@godjei I don't disagree with the protesters. I disagree with people who aren't even effected by the changes in the Dutch education system coming to mess up an otherwise legitimate protest. As for the fireworks: They were not regular fireworks and this wasn't new years eve. Try standing on one of these when it goes of and your foot will agree with me that an explosive of that strength doesn't care if it's called a bomb or fireworks. But I believe you when you say you believe what you believe....
TheHaIJp 1 year ago
@TheHaIJp I think you are right about the fireworks and agree that they were not helping. I also believe however, that everyone will be affected directly or indirectly by these measures and therefore has a right to protest against it. And also, although I disapprove of any violence I must say that the organized protest that was prior to this escalation was very disappointing. It felt like a rally for opposition parties. I wonder what would be a way of protest that would actually have any impact
godjei 1 year ago
@godjei Well we agree then that this issue is too important to let political parties (opposition or otherwise) or individuals with a personal intrest highjack it. Now as for the best way to protest I'm really not qualified to answer that. I once protested with 500.000 people and it still dind't work. But my instinct tells me that civil disobedience might be the answer. But with this government you really will have to make them feel it and you have to be smart, consistent and always on topic.
TheHaIJp 1 year ago
@TheHaIJp Let's try to be creative then. Thanks for the talk and good luck for the future.
godjei 1 year ago
All police that were present should be put in jail
MrReoNetro 1 year ago
Yes the police didnt allow the students to go to the central station. ACAB
MrReoNetro 1 year ago