Hey, nice video & good idea. Just a thought though, you might put EGT (Exhaust Gas Temperature) or something like that in the title. I didn't know what you were talking about until ~4:00. People are more likely to skip over the video if they don't know/aren't sure what you're talking about. Good call on combining efforts too (see ~8:00). We don't need HHO to get a bad name before it even gets mainstream.
Hi Rob I have been looking for info on egt (safe/max temp) for my van any info/web site on how to get this info? Great info you are putting out! Thanks
...but them Volo Chips are not working with LPG but I keep in my mind to do it in future.
And also I am thinking about them Iridium Pulstar Spark Plugs...you can check on youtube how it works without anode under air pressure!? I am thinking to do experiment with them + F-16 Pulse King (to avoid missfire). Those Spark Plugs are build on Internal Capacitor not like others on Rezistor...?
My ongoing project on yt: BMW 7 HHO Step by Step :]
To get rid of steam HHOConnections (yt username) suggesting to use Brass Stones(f.e. like in some big fuel filters) mounted in your Bubblers.
Have you seen Volo Chips for HHO? They say it's working...around 30% savings as far I remember.
Another idea for saving fuel: linear increasa of HHO production regarding to acceleration...? A lot of air going into manifold depends on rpm's but amount of HHO stay constant...-this is what I am thinking about doingmyProject.Thnx
how about pwm regulation on the hho. and u control the system with the engines vaccum sensors basically the hho would be adjusting all over the board. also y change the a/f ratio the car? would just have extra power with it at stock tuning and the hho will burn. The user would just have to change their habbits think about it the engine will be more effiecient and u use less throttle to drive.
what about a "complete" water system with no gasoline???? It's mathmatically imposssible to run an engine on HHO gas by itself and even more of a problem running gas and HHO ,which have 2 different burn rates. Direct water injectoin through a plasma field and inject it straight into the cylinder. Using the expansion qualities of water ,of 1 to 1800 times increase in volume, inside the cylinder instead of outside ?? with a continuous spark and start of injection timed @ 2 degrees past TDC
Great Video, You make a lot of good points for things to consider before installing an HHO system in your car or truck. I check out the a lot of video's every night, trying to gather as much info as I can, so I can build and install a unit on my "98" Honda CR-V. Would very much like to exchange emails about the EGT's, MAP/MAF enhancers and PWM's. Many experimenters are better than just the one.
Rob- great video- I agree installers are the next ones that need to collaborate to make this a more perfected technology. It does work, but only when it is installed correctly. We only install on our project cars, but we give a lot of tech support.
Also, I agree the too lean problem is not good. Neither is too hot. Our units get no hotter than 118 at the electrodes and 135 at the electrolyte even running at 35-40 amps for extended times. Seems to be good combo of heat and HHO for results...
Where can I get an EGT, and how fine does the scale need to be? What % of temp decrease is good, and how much increase is bad? If the HHO is working properly, there should be a drop in EGT, right?
Where can I get an EGT, and how fine does the scale need to be? What % of temp decrease is good, and how much increase is bad? If the HHO is working properly, there should be a drop in EGT, right?
I agree tuning on the fly with a dial is not practical. And EGT's are essential to enabling proper HHO tuning. That is how we tuned my Thundernutz bike to a safe 20% gain. Mapping is the way. Some makes respond well to the Volo chip also. However I am bypassing the whole ECU issue with EV technology using on board gensets with carbs. No computers at all. Still use an EGT though - its a necessity.
i think the main thing to do before HHO is a full assessment of the running condition of the vehicle, like the power usage, air usage, fuel usage ect at all different driving conditions because your vehicle under go a heavy power load when driving at night in the rain because you have the AC going, the whippers going, all the lights etc. you should know how much air your vehicle uses also.its best to install a MAF meter to study your air usage at all RPM's and also your gasoline usage. after do
wouldn't you dial in maf mod under load? why idle, or drive moderately and fine tune? why not put engine under stress and then fine tune your maf/o2/efi to prevent excessive EGTs? baring purchasing egt monitor, or having device already, i see two lines 1. maf/o2 mod off 2. over lean the option in the middle might be what your looking for so set mod under stress and get best of both worlds. prevent heat by over-lean and still have really good gains. imo.
Nice job on the video. You answered a lot of my questions. There is a lot of information on building the cell but not much on the "Do'd and Don'ts" of tweaking the car systems and/or understanding what your feedback is telling you. Saving $50 a month in gas is nothing if I trash a moto worth $10K !
@Raykenn1 I agree. But when gas was $4.50 a gallon here in California, a 40% increase in mileage netted me a $250 a month savings using only $1.00 of water. Payback is fast with those results and worth it if done carefully.
@HybridWaterMan2 Thanks for the response. I am certainly not knocking your videos or the info you have shared. Do you have any videos for people like me, that "know they don't know", and need to have a reasonable installation process that will provide some system improvement but lessens the risk of damages to engines or sensors because we don't have tons of electronics, or balancers, ect?
@Raykenn1 We have all kinds of videos, a free 7 day course, and a full line of warranted hho generators that we export around the world. We were among the first to professionally manufacture entire kits years ago. You can see more and get our course by going to hho kits direct dot com. (I can't post a link in the comment line), or you can click on our youtube link and follow to our website
specifics please, year make model offsets being used I personally hate efie and map enhancers, most cars ignore them... i am working on a vid for that question, i get it alot.
why my egt stay at the same temperature when im leaning almost to the maximum with my map enhancer on cruise at 55mph for about a hour?? just curious!! have no hydrogen working
I have been boosting on a 95 vw golf w/ 2.0L on and off for almost a year now. The best I seen once was 57.6mpg. I have efie installed (.25v) and I am also modifying the iat sensor and also ect sensor. I think it works for a day or so then the computer goes back to normal.
Ect works fairly well. Make the car think its 220 230 deg f it will lean it aout a bit. Problem with iat is it cuts fuel and timing ect wont mess with timing that much.
Maybe try the offset at .15 The car always goes to look up tables and if 1 sensor is off it will ignore with no dtc.
Holy crap 58 mpg wish you could do that daily.
being a 95 you could get away with a megasquirt II and piggy back it in for fuel and spark. You would hold that 50 + mpg did i hear you were a tech?
I have thought about MS system, and will buy a kit when I have the money. Right now the cell (only one I have) is being used for the lawnmower project. I do plan on getting a cell back into the car and start boosting again. Yes I am a tech with about 15 years experience.
Good,, If you have access to a scope watch the pulse width of the injectors. You will notice the drop initially then it go back to normal use the scope to find the sweet spot on efie. it varies car to car but my burban like .1-.2 ofset, anything more it ignores. it hates map adjust. i use version 1 ms. you can set afr for different loads and give the ego correction authority at certain rpm. scope works well a scanner has too slow refresh rate.
also dont allow the efie to work till it hits closed loop. otherwise it screws with the block learn. let me know how it goes. so far german ecus have been the best to work with. but i gave up on signal mods. always go back to norm over time. piggy back is the way to go. I am working on a piggy back for obdII so that emmisions will still pass when they plug into adcl. takes time but is worth it. also check 5 gas if you can. efies really mess with the upper loads in a negative way.
@paulkaygmailcom No it is not. Very evident in the emissions tests. Many of our customers get 40-50% increase, and our best got a 212%. Yet we have had some get only 12-15%...We find it is the make and model of car and how ecu responds that determines results. But you are very wrong- it is NOT snake oil.
Please contact me I would Love to share all I have descovered with you on HHO and its room for improving effency of the cells, I think I have a system to completly run the gasoline veical on it with little modifications to veical, I am interested in that device you talked about! Got to go now, Lets figure all these obsticals out, with all our collective info we will, and share the good news, Look forward to hearing from you and anyone else, a group is a great idea, thanks
I apologize in advance as I sure you get tired of hearing from others with much less knowledge of the OBD2 sys.I have been prob more lucky than anything else so far & no damage as of yet.I am working with 1st attempt EFI(93 Honda) until now only carb vehicles (60s70s) Anyway, You are the 1st person I have seen that makes a lot of sense & I can relate with from the little I know about the obd2 systems. I have been thinking for a while now the OS extender is crap & tomorrow it is coming off.
what about using a map-ecu? a ecu piggy back ? adding a way to read the throttle position sensor to run the hho electronic injection?
my main goal is to run a car on 100% hho using the injector system on the car but i need some help i need to learn and find somethings out befor i can realy truble shoot this thanks
Sounds like more of a timing issue than a overheating issue. I very much agree with you that we should all learn from each other (and each other's mistakes). Too lean a condition will definitely do harm to the engine, and so will too much steam. I think the gen wasn't putting out enough hho to run it that lean and that was what caused the problems. Also, a flashback arrestor in addition to a bubbler with a safety blowout valve is an absolute must.A spring-loaded check valve works good for this.
thanks for the comments.timing is an issue the overheating only becomes an issue if efie or extenders are used on o2 also map-maf cause high egt from overlean also. so hho isnt doing it. watch for my next vid i just finished a near bulletproof flash back for under 8 bucks. thx
Hacking the computer is the best idea I have found yet for an OBD2.The real trick is finding someone to hack it correctly.Great job on the vid.I like the positive info.
You're the first guy I've seen doing this stuff that seems to have any understanding of the fact that you can't just start doing things to an engine willy-nilly and expect it all to work without ill effect. One question I have about this HHO business is what is the exact chemistry of the combustion that occurs?
Usually an engine runs on a single fuel at a time so there's no interaction.
you hit the nail on the head. kinda. the chemical reaction between fuels is a shady area at this time. I am attacking mechanical reactions. Its a hard nut to crack. nitro cars mix methanol and nitromethane with grat success. I have tuned many of these cars and relate them to hho-gas cars in many ways. the problem is the flame speeds are on total oposites of the spectum. so a compromise is in order. every car is different in the way it responds to hho. some do well some suck
i didnt mean no harm. ill watch it a third time . egt. exhaust gas temp. drive it without the booster while leaned out. spit on ex man. sizzle. turn 2 liter per min hho on drive 2 hours, spit on it, no sizzle. thats a 4 banger. of course i have never paid more than a thousand on a car, but i have fixed quite an few but maybe you see motors that were driven leaned out without the booster running. hho has byproduct of water that absorbs energy. i have seen volvos with cracked head gaskets g 4ever
this is a super video showing a real final detail for us installers. EGT, a detail that anyone who really likes this subject needs in their artillary/arsenol of info of the subject matter and final tuning for good hho usage. 10*'s
hi saw your clip,you right ,you need to data base specs ,but i think this is a bit daunting,
one thing ,every body seems to pipe out of gen
to sys what if you put a small compressor out of hho to a small tank ,solonoide valve hooked up to sensor switch /similar to lpg set up and more balanced delivery,i think some gens may run out puff causing probs.
please never put hho in a tank for storage especially under pressure. this stuff is way violent. I restrict my hho by putting a .030 mig tip in line but pressure never goes up over .25 psi.
I do this to better direct the hho into plenum and also lower the chance of engine sucking in all hho in one cycle.
Yes people are trying to push the envelope way to far What we do when we set up a vehicle is instal the Hydro Super 2 HHO gen run the vehicle with it turnd off and get a base line of O2 sensor voltage then turn on the Hydro Super 2 and re test the O2 sensor voltage then only off set it with the EFIE to bring it back just enough to off set for the extra oxygen. NEVER use an O2 extender and an EFIE togather and don't try to push the efie for more gains or you will be too lean.
o2 extenders are crap in my opinion. not a good controlled modification. Efie is okay but most people dont truly know what they are doing. an ice engine can be very unforgiving. This is why i am attacking the mechanical application of this stuff.
Hope you didnt think I was picking on your cell the craftmanship was excellent it was your customers user error no superhydro2.
Sorry about the double post below. Another thought I have is regarding running your small ICE on HHO stoichiometric A/F. Could you do an experiment where you check the response of various types of oxygen sensors to the exhaust chemistry of HHO. The first person to do this will be a hero! I don't think the sensors are accurate for HHO because of the different partial pressures of CO and H in the exhaust relative to that of a hydrocarbon fuel. Thanks!
I'm thinking maybe Cantburn was running with extreme preignition (detonation) without knowing it. What do you think about modifying the base spark tables (retarding timing) along with leaning out the engine in an HHO booster install? I'm looking into the TwEECer product for a Ford EEC-V computer. Will Megasquirt work also?
I'm thinking maybe Cantburn was running with extreme preignition (detonation) without knowing it. What do you think about modifying the base spark tables (retarding timing) along with leaning out the engine in an HHO booster install? I'm looking into the TwEECer product for a Ford EEC-V computer. Will Megasquirt work also?
I would like to get engine dyno results before messing with timing on obdII. the reason timing is so high on obdII is due to triing to get cylinder pressure up at cruise. most cars cruise at 50+ deg before tdc to raise cylinder pressure. torque is a dirrect effect of cylinder pressure.
cantburn was probapply not detonation. the ecm is capable of taking 30 deg of timing out via knock sensor. I think is was way too lean and egts were high. if knock was not there there......
sorry knock sensor not there it would definatly have detonated. But without have seen it happen this is all speculation. Either way it was a lean condition. If you take timing out it takes power away. Our ultimate goal is to get cleaner burn more mpg and no power loss. In fact if done right you will see increase in power. hope that helps.
As far as megasquirt it can control timing but i am not going to to learn as much as possible about hho. later timing test will be implemented
I am new to all this and I am trying to wrap my head around all the info and hopefully digest it and understand it. So when cantburn leaned out his engine too much (fuel wise, correct?) he ended up burning his spark plugs because he was not producing enough HHO to counter the lean? Thanks all.
Exactly. all vehicles can be leaned a little the manufactures make them run rich for a buffer zone. I can get 20-30% on most vehicles without hho. problem is it puts them on the ragged edge of self destruction. Most of the cheap kits out there (in my opinion) the small amount of hho does nothing for mpg. its the retune. I willdo another vid today ot tomm to answer some of these questions. I did a poor job on my last 2. you all need more basics to understand. You are thinking out of the box.
If you are using signal enhancers get an egt. In the mean time pull a spark plug and check for damage. In lean conditions the ceramic insulator will be crystalized. this happen right before plug melt down. I am working as fast as possible bear with me. When finances permit i will outfit my rigs with spark plugs that incorperate temps on cylinder by cylinder basis. Its quite exp but necesary to really under stand the effects of all this.
I can see i have caused alot of confusion. Steam or hho alone are not the culprits. We are throwing alot of variables and changes at these engines all at once. We need to find the sweet spot. perfect amount of clean dry hho and perfect amount of steam. steam has a cooling effect on comustion in moderation too much it becomes abrasive. 170 deg probably isnt too much as long as no vacum is present in cell. get the egt and watch it.
there is another technique that really needs to be examined badly ... due to the rapid flame front of an HHO ignition, a method of slowing down the burn should be VERY beneficial ... a stainless bubbler designed in such a way that you could meter a measured amount of exhaust gases to be fed along with the HHO may be the way to go ... I have not seen anyone with the skill to try this show others how ... it needs to be done ...
I understand the need to control flame front speed. This next comment is opinion. We are not adding enough hho yet to damge engines. its the tuning thats hurting us. we are already mixing the hho with nitrogen (atmospheric 78% inert) this is why my lawnmower would run on less than 2 lpm reduced atmospheric intake. most cars also use egr to dilute air mixture. im not saying your wrong just what i have seen. i will do your exp and post vids. great suggestion ss
another comment on lawnmower. I reduced inert atmospheric air to run onn staight hho. when i did this i was about 2200prm at 1.6 lpm. i tried to cut more air form it and engine sped up rapidly and blew head gaket and cracked head. I am going to fix the engine and start over with vid and documentaion. I get excited and get a head of my self leaving you out of the loop and also damaging engines. But I ams learning valuable info to makethisall safer to apply to our drivers. thanks again
thank you so much for getting involved ... more of this is needed very much ... we need this kind of feedback badly as we move forward with implementing the technology ... so much is unknown ...
this is my strong area. like yourself and ebn on cell desighn. I follow you and replicate your cell I just hope I can be as helpful as ebn and people can watch my success and failures. Its all new at this point. I have alot of exp with nitromethane and have found alot of similarity with hho. finances have slowed research I really want to throw 5,6,7,lpm at my vehicles and see if we need more egr like you said above. keep the ideas and comment flowing. it really helps with future experiments
Gr8 vid hp.... question: @ 160-170F you will get "some" vapor... do you consider this a "red zone" for ANY cell to run at? Some cell designs seem comfortable at that level and stable and are seeing production @ 3-4 LPM w/ 40-50 AMPS ...
So, engines with "static" leaning via EFIE / MAP-MAF are being damaged?
Seems like rather than a "steady" output, we need the cell to "follow" the throttle position sensor... i.e. more hho when you need it.... and less when you don't.
Whats the most you have driven on HHO ?
krammchalad 2 weeks ago
Hey, nice video & good idea. Just a thought though, you might put EGT (Exhaust Gas Temperature) or something like that in the title. I didn't know what you were talking about until ~4:00. People are more likely to skip over the video if they don't know/aren't sure what you're talking about. Good call on combining efforts too (see ~8:00). We don't need HHO to get a bad name before it even gets mainstream.
Chaos7703 2 months ago in playlist HHO Connection's Favorite Videos
Hi Rob I have been looking for info on egt (safe/max temp) for my van any info/web site on how to get this info? Great info you are putting out! Thanks
cdo53 2 months ago in playlist Favorite videos
I would like to ask you: if I would like to run on Petrol/LPG + HHO what % of ignition retarding shall I look for, please? Car: BMW 735i 1997 OBD1.
Thanks 4 any suggestions! ;]
PS: I would like to read all these comments here...with pleasure of course !
THNX!
tattoostudio666 8 months ago
...and also my car is OBD1... :]
tattoostudio666 8 months ago
...but them Volo Chips are not working with LPG but I keep in my mind to do it in future.
And also I am thinking about them Iridium Pulstar Spark Plugs...you can check on youtube how it works without anode under air pressure!? I am thinking to do experiment with them + F-16 Pulse King (to avoid missfire). Those Spark Plugs are build on Internal Capacitor not like others on Rezistor...?
My ongoing project on yt: BMW 7 HHO Step by Step :]
Regards!
tattoostudio666 8 months ago
Hi there! Thanks for tips!
To get rid of steam HHOConnections (yt username) suggesting to use Brass Stones(f.e. like in some big fuel filters) mounted in your Bubblers.
Have you seen Volo Chips for HHO? They say it's working...around 30% savings as far I remember.
Another idea for saving fuel: linear increasa of HHO production regarding to acceleration...? A lot of air going into manifold depends on rpm's but amount of HHO stay constant...-this is what I am thinking about doingmyProject.Thnx
tattoostudio666 8 months ago
how about pwm regulation on the hho. and u control the system with the engines vaccum sensors basically the hho would be adjusting all over the board. also y change the a/f ratio the car? would just have extra power with it at stock tuning and the hho will burn. The user would just have to change their habbits think about it the engine will be more effiecient and u use less throttle to drive.
Josh1001w 9 months ago
what about a "complete" water system with no gasoline???? It's mathmatically imposssible to run an engine on HHO gas by itself and even more of a problem running gas and HHO ,which have 2 different burn rates. Direct water injectoin through a plasma field and inject it straight into the cylinder. Using the expansion qualities of water ,of 1 to 1800 times increase in volume, inside the cylinder instead of outside ?? with a continuous spark and start of injection timed @ 2 degrees past TDC
1100tech 11 months ago
Great Video, You make a lot of good points for things to consider before installing an HHO system in your car or truck. I check out the a lot of video's every night, trying to gather as much info as I can, so I can build and install a unit on my "98" Honda CR-V. Would very much like to exchange emails about the EGT's, MAP/MAF enhancers and PWM's. Many experimenters are better than just the one.
wsal758 1 year ago
Rob- great video- I agree installers are the next ones that need to collaborate to make this a more perfected technology. It does work, but only when it is installed correctly. We only install on our project cars, but we give a lot of tech support.
Also, I agree the too lean problem is not good. Neither is too hot. Our units get no hotter than 118 at the electrodes and 135 at the electrolyte even running at 35-40 amps for extended times. Seems to be good combo of heat and HHO for results...
HybridWaterMan2 1 year ago
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Where can I get an EGT, and how fine does the scale need to be? What % of temp decrease is good, and how much increase is bad? If the HHO is working properly, there should be a drop in EGT, right?
aquamanwisdom 1 year ago
Where can I get an EGT, and how fine does the scale need to be? What % of temp decrease is good, and how much increase is bad? If the HHO is working properly, there should be a drop in EGT, right?
aquamanwisdom 1 year ago
I agree tuning on the fly with a dial is not practical. And EGT's are essential to enabling proper HHO tuning. That is how we tuned my Thundernutz bike to a safe 20% gain. Mapping is the way. Some makes respond well to the Volo chip also. However I am bypassing the whole ECU issue with EV technology using on board gensets with carbs. No computers at all. Still use an EGT though - its a necessity.
EletrikRidesAgain 1 year ago
i think the main thing to do before HHO is a full assessment of the running condition of the vehicle, like the power usage, air usage, fuel usage ect at all different driving conditions because your vehicle under go a heavy power load when driving at night in the rain because you have the AC going, the whippers going, all the lights etc. you should know how much air your vehicle uses also.its best to install a MAF meter to study your air usage at all RPM's and also your gasoline usage. after do
richardlyew 1 year ago
wouldn't you dial in maf mod under load? why idle, or drive moderately and fine tune? why not put engine under stress and then fine tune your maf/o2/efi to prevent excessive EGTs? baring purchasing egt monitor, or having device already, i see two lines 1. maf/o2 mod off 2. over lean the option in the middle might be what your looking for so set mod under stress and get best of both worlds. prevent heat by over-lean and still have really good gains. imo.
bryanc9 1 year ago
I am working with HP tuners to change parameters in ecu instead have you looked at that option at all
swrn2fn 2 years ago
Nice job on the video. You answered a lot of my questions. There is a lot of information on building the cell but not much on the "Do'd and Don'ts" of tweaking the car systems and/or understanding what your feedback is telling you. Saving $50 a month in gas is nothing if I trash a moto worth $10K !
Raykenn1 2 years ago
@Raykenn1 I agree. But when gas was $4.50 a gallon here in California, a 40% increase in mileage netted me a $250 a month savings using only $1.00 of water. Payback is fast with those results and worth it if done carefully.
HybridWaterMan2 1 year ago
@HybridWaterMan2 Thanks for the response. I am certainly not knocking your videos or the info you have shared. Do you have any videos for people like me, that "know they don't know", and need to have a reasonable installation process that will provide some system improvement but lessens the risk of damages to engines or sensors because we don't have tons of electronics, or balancers, ect?
Raykenn1 1 year ago
@Raykenn1 We have all kinds of videos, a free 7 day course, and a full line of warranted hho generators that we export around the world. We were among the first to professionally manufacture entire kits years ago. You can see more and get our course by going to hho kits direct dot com. (I can't post a link in the comment line), or you can click on our youtube link and follow to our website
HybridWaterMan2 1 year ago
I installed a pyrometer before hho, to see the difference. I am unable to get temp to raise any, through leaning with efie.
Rawbush 2 years ago
specifics please, year make model offsets being used I personally hate efie and map enhancers, most cars ignore them... i am working on a vid for that question, i get it alot.
higherpoweredh2o 2 years ago
why my egt stay at the same temperature when im leaning almost to the maximum with my map enhancer on cruise at 55mph for about a hour?? just curious!! have no hydrogen working
fred432 2 years ago
maps and efies dont work well. Cars ignore them... I will work on a vid soon.
higherpoweredh2o 2 years ago
I have been boosting on a 95 vw golf w/ 2.0L on and off for almost a year now. The best I seen once was 57.6mpg. I have efie installed (.25v) and I am also modifying the iat sensor and also ect sensor. I think it works for a day or so then the computer goes back to normal.
Rawbush 2 years ago
Ect works fairly well. Make the car think its 220 230 deg f it will lean it aout a bit. Problem with iat is it cuts fuel and timing ect wont mess with timing that much.
Maybe try the offset at .15 The car always goes to look up tables and if 1 sensor is off it will ignore with no dtc.
Holy crap 58 mpg wish you could do that daily.
being a 95 you could get away with a megasquirt II and piggy back it in for fuel and spark. You would hold that 50 + mpg did i hear you were a tech?
higherpoweredh2o 2 years ago
I have thought about MS system, and will buy a kit when I have the money. Right now the cell (only one I have) is being used for the lawnmower project. I do plan on getting a cell back into the car and start boosting again. Yes I am a tech with about 15 years experience.
Rawbush 2 years ago
Good,, If you have access to a scope watch the pulse width of the injectors. You will notice the drop initially then it go back to normal use the scope to find the sweet spot on efie. it varies car to car but my burban like .1-.2 ofset, anything more it ignores. it hates map adjust. i use version 1 ms. you can set afr for different loads and give the ego correction authority at certain rpm. scope works well a scanner has too slow refresh rate.
higherpoweredh2o 2 years ago
also dont allow the efie to work till it hits closed loop. otherwise it screws with the block learn. let me know how it goes. so far german ecus have been the best to work with. but i gave up on signal mods. always go back to norm over time. piggy back is the way to go. I am working on a piggy back for obdII so that emmisions will still pass when they plug into adcl. takes time but is worth it. also check 5 gas if you can. efies really mess with the upper loads in a negative way.
higherpoweredh2o 2 years ago
@higherpoweredh2o
spend your time tuning the fuel and spark tables if you want to see a difference... HHO is snake-oil
paulkaygmailcom 1 year ago
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@paulkaygmailcom No it is not. Very evident in the emissions tests. Many of our customers get 40-50% increase, and our best got a 212%. Yet we have had some get only 12-15%...We find it is the make and model of car and how ecu responds that determines results. But you are very wrong- it is NOT snake oil.
HybridWaterMan2 1 year ago
Hi, I am new to all this, I have several applications, 2 basics gas and diesel.
What is my best option on both?
Do i need to do the efie and O2 sensor enhancers?
And what is EGT?
Thanks for the help!
hidroklear 3 years ago
Please contact me I would Love to share all I have descovered with you on HHO and its room for improving effency of the cells, I think I have a system to completly run the gasoline veical on it with little modifications to veical, I am interested in that device you talked about! Got to go now, Lets figure all these obsticals out, with all our collective info we will, and share the good news, Look forward to hearing from you and anyone else, a group is a great idea, thanks
GBH2o4u 3 years ago
I apologize in advance as I sure you get tired of hearing from others with much less knowledge of the OBD2 sys.I have been prob more lucky than anything else so far & no damage as of yet.I am working with 1st attempt EFI(93 Honda) until now only carb vehicles (60s70s) Anyway, You are the 1st person I have seen that makes a lot of sense & I can relate with from the little I know about the obd2 systems. I have been thinking for a while now the OS extender is crap & tomorrow it is coming off.
Tomberdesnues 3 years ago
what about using a map-ecu? a ecu piggy back ? adding a way to read the throttle position sensor to run the hho electronic injection?
my main goal is to run a car on 100% hho using the injector system on the car but i need some help i need to learn and find somethings out befor i can realy truble shoot this thanks
cricketol 3 years ago
Sounds like more of a timing issue than a overheating issue. I very much agree with you that we should all learn from each other (and each other's mistakes). Too lean a condition will definitely do harm to the engine, and so will too much steam. I think the gen wasn't putting out enough hho to run it that lean and that was what caused the problems. Also, a flashback arrestor in addition to a bubbler with a safety blowout valve is an absolute must.A spring-loaded check valve works good for this.
flipster12000 3 years ago
thanks for the comments.timing is an issue the overheating only becomes an issue if efie or extenders are used on o2 also map-maf cause high egt from overlean also. so hho isnt doing it. watch for my next vid i just finished a near bulletproof flash back for under 8 bucks. thx
higherpoweredh2o 3 years ago
Hacking the computer is the best idea I have found yet for an OBD2.The real trick is finding someone to hack it correctly.Great job on the vid.I like the positive info.
pacrat1969 3 years ago
You're the first guy I've seen doing this stuff that seems to have any understanding of the fact that you can't just start doing things to an engine willy-nilly and expect it all to work without ill effect. One question I have about this HHO business is what is the exact chemistry of the combustion that occurs?
Usually an engine runs on a single fuel at a time so there's no interaction.
videoeer 3 years ago
you hit the nail on the head. kinda. the chemical reaction between fuels is a shady area at this time. I am attacking mechanical reactions. Its a hard nut to crack. nitro cars mix methanol and nitromethane with grat success. I have tuned many of these cars and relate them to hho-gas cars in many ways. the problem is the flame speeds are on total oposites of the spectum. so a compromise is in order. every car is different in the way it responds to hho. some do well some suck
higherpoweredh2o 3 years ago
i didnt mean no harm. ill watch it a third time . egt. exhaust gas temp. drive it without the booster while leaned out. spit on ex man. sizzle. turn 2 liter per min hho on drive 2 hours, spit on it, no sizzle. thats a 4 banger. of course i have never paid more than a thousand on a car, but i have fixed quite an few but maybe you see motors that were driven leaned out without the booster running. hho has byproduct of water that absorbs energy. i have seen volvos with cracked head gaskets g 4ever
john29302 3 years ago
Thanks for the truth & knowledge you speak.
I am a computer engineer & shade tree mechanic, and have been telling people to be aware of EGT's
I realized early on, that if I was 10% HHO suplimented & MAF adjusted @ 2000 rpm/ what would I be at 4000 rpm.
That is correct my friends I would be extremely lean.
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thompson49022 3 years ago
this is a super video showing a real final detail for us installers. EGT, a detail that anyone who really likes this subject needs in their artillary/arsenol of info of the subject matter and final tuning for good hho usage. 10*'s
variablestatus 3 years ago
thanks for the positive comment. just trying to do my part in all this
higherpoweredh2o 3 years ago
hi saw your clip,you right ,you need to data base specs ,but i think this is a bit daunting,
one thing ,every body seems to pipe out of gen
to sys what if you put a small compressor out of hho to a small tank ,solonoide valve hooked up to sensor switch /similar to lpg set up and more balanced delivery,i think some gens may run out puff causing probs.
tediouse 3 years ago
please never put hho in a tank for storage especially under pressure. this stuff is way violent. I restrict my hho by putting a .030 mig tip in line but pressure never goes up over .25 psi.
I do this to better direct the hho into plenum and also lower the chance of engine sucking in all hho in one cycle.
much more testing is needed
thanks for comment
higherpoweredh2o 3 years ago
Yes people are trying to push the envelope way to far What we do when we set up a vehicle is instal the Hydro Super 2 HHO gen run the vehicle with it turnd off and get a base line of O2 sensor voltage then turn on the Hydro Super 2 and re test the O2 sensor voltage then only off set it with the EFIE to bring it back just enough to off set for the extra oxygen. NEVER use an O2 extender and an EFIE togather and don't try to push the efie for more gains or you will be too lean.
hydrosuper2 3 years ago 2
o2 extenders are crap in my opinion. not a good controlled modification. Efie is okay but most people dont truly know what they are doing. an ice engine can be very unforgiving. This is why i am attacking the mechanical application of this stuff.
Hope you didnt think I was picking on your cell the craftmanship was excellent it was your customers user error no superhydro2.
thanks for comment
I will be working on more answers
higherpoweredh2o 3 years ago
Sorry about the double post below. Another thought I have is regarding running your small ICE on HHO stoichiometric A/F. Could you do an experiment where you check the response of various types of oxygen sensors to the exhaust chemistry of HHO. The first person to do this will be a hero! I don't think the sensors are accurate for HHO because of the different partial pressures of CO and H in the exhaust relative to that of a hydrocarbon fuel. Thanks!
captainwho1 3 years ago
This is in the works. thanks for your patience. I am moving now so time is limited.
higherpoweredh2o 3 years ago
Okay, great. Good luck with your move, moving is very traumatic when you have lots of stuff (and other reasons)!
captainwho1 3 years ago
I'm thinking maybe Cantburn was running with extreme preignition (detonation) without knowing it. What do you think about modifying the base spark tables (retarding timing) along with leaning out the engine in an HHO booster install? I'm looking into the TwEECer product for a Ford EEC-V computer. Will Megasquirt work also?
captainwho1 3 years ago
I'm thinking maybe Cantburn was running with extreme preignition (detonation) without knowing it. What do you think about modifying the base spark tables (retarding timing) along with leaning out the engine in an HHO booster install? I'm looking into the TwEECer product for a Ford EEC-V computer. Will Megasquirt work also?
captainwho1 3 years ago
I would like to get engine dyno results before messing with timing on obdII. the reason timing is so high on obdII is due to triing to get cylinder pressure up at cruise. most cars cruise at 50+ deg before tdc to raise cylinder pressure. torque is a dirrect effect of cylinder pressure.
cantburn was probapply not detonation. the ecm is capable of taking 30 deg of timing out via knock sensor. I think is was way too lean and egts were high. if knock was not there there......
higherpoweredh2o 3 years ago
sorry knock sensor not there it would definatly have detonated. But without have seen it happen this is all speculation. Either way it was a lean condition. If you take timing out it takes power away. Our ultimate goal is to get cleaner burn more mpg and no power loss. In fact if done right you will see increase in power. hope that helps.
As far as megasquirt it can control timing but i am not going to to learn as much as possible about hho. later timing test will be implemented
higherpoweredh2o 3 years ago
I am new to all this and I am trying to wrap my head around all the info and hopefully digest it and understand it. So when cantburn leaned out his engine too much (fuel wise, correct?) he ended up burning his spark plugs because he was not producing enough HHO to counter the lean? Thanks all.
flyoil1 3 years ago 2
Exactly. all vehicles can be leaned a little the manufactures make them run rich for a buffer zone. I can get 20-30% on most vehicles without hho. problem is it puts them on the ragged edge of self destruction. Most of the cheap kits out there (in my opinion) the small amount of hho does nothing for mpg. its the retune. I willdo another vid today ot tomm to answer some of these questions. I did a poor job on my last 2. you all need more basics to understand. You are thinking out of the box.
higherpoweredh2o 3 years ago
Thanks! Can't wait to see the video. I have subscribed to your info.
flyoil1 3 years ago 2
If you are using signal enhancers get an egt. In the mean time pull a spark plug and check for damage. In lean conditions the ceramic insulator will be crystalized. this happen right before plug melt down. I am working as fast as possible bear with me. When finances permit i will outfit my rigs with spark plugs that incorperate temps on cylinder by cylinder basis. Its quite exp but necesary to really under stand the effects of all this.
higherpoweredh2o 3 years ago
I can see i have caused alot of confusion. Steam or hho alone are not the culprits. We are throwing alot of variables and changes at these engines all at once. We need to find the sweet spot. perfect amount of clean dry hho and perfect amount of steam. steam has a cooling effect on comustion in moderation too much it becomes abrasive. 170 deg probably isnt too much as long as no vacum is present in cell. get the egt and watch it.
higherpoweredh2o 3 years ago
there is another technique that really needs to be examined badly ... due to the rapid flame front of an HHO ignition, a method of slowing down the burn should be VERY beneficial ... a stainless bubbler designed in such a way that you could meter a measured amount of exhaust gases to be fed along with the HHO may be the way to go ... I have not seen anyone with the skill to try this show others how ... it needs to be done ...
SmartScarecrow 3 years ago
I understand the need to control flame front speed. This next comment is opinion. We are not adding enough hho yet to damge engines. its the tuning thats hurting us. we are already mixing the hho with nitrogen (atmospheric 78% inert) this is why my lawnmower would run on less than 2 lpm reduced atmospheric intake. most cars also use egr to dilute air mixture. im not saying your wrong just what i have seen. i will do your exp and post vids. great suggestion ss
higherpoweredh2o 3 years ago
another comment on lawnmower. I reduced inert atmospheric air to run onn staight hho. when i did this i was about 2200prm at 1.6 lpm. i tried to cut more air form it and engine sped up rapidly and blew head gaket and cracked head. I am going to fix the engine and start over with vid and documentaion. I get excited and get a head of my self leaving you out of the loop and also damaging engines. But I ams learning valuable info to makethisall safer to apply to our drivers. thanks again
higherpoweredh2o 3 years ago
thank you so much for getting involved ... more of this is needed very much ... we need this kind of feedback badly as we move forward with implementing the technology ... so much is unknown ...
SmartScarecrow 3 years ago
this is my strong area. like yourself and ebn on cell desighn. I follow you and replicate your cell I just hope I can be as helpful as ebn and people can watch my success and failures. Its all new at this point. I have alot of exp with nitromethane and have found alot of similarity with hho. finances have slowed research I really want to throw 5,6,7,lpm at my vehicles and see if we need more egr like you said above. keep the ideas and comment flowing. it really helps with future experiments
higherpoweredh2o 3 years ago
I also agree!
lutherp40 3 years ago
I agree!!
davidrrrd 3 years ago
Gr8 vid hp.... question: @ 160-170F you will get "some" vapor... do you consider this a "red zone" for ANY cell to run at? Some cell designs seem comfortable at that level and stable and are seeing production @ 3-4 LPM w/ 40-50 AMPS ...
So, engines with "static" leaning via EFIE / MAP-MAF are being damaged?
Seems like rather than a "steady" output, we need the cell to "follow" the throttle position sensor... i.e. more hho when you need it.... and less when you don't.
goldenequity 3 years ago
wouldn't that be what the pulse mechanism on the Stanley Meyers system - or am I in left field?
Tomberdesnues 3 years ago