Ammar Nakshawani Says "The Prophet Did Not Know Who The Monafiqeen Were"

[bitianx]

rather than to discuss and debate any matter between ourselves, I would like to encourage to speak to the speakers directly and have a conversation with them.

[DefendDeen]

@bitianx yah but Rajabali is ignorant of his own books. Al Kafi actually says the Prophet (pbuh) forgot in prayer. Does he have the guts to speak against Kulayni or Majalisi ? As for Nakshawani don't even ask. Even when his own 12er Shia question him he runs away.

[12hamida]

LISTEN TO THESE RAFIDI THEY MAKE A FOOL OUT OF THERE SELVES ALI EVEN COULD RECOGNIZE A HYPOCRIT BUT MUHAMMAD COULDNT SHIA ARE SO EASY TO REFUTE THEY TALK AND FORGET WHAT THERE SOURCES SAY THEY HAVE A HARD TIME DEFENDING THERE DEEN ALSO WHEN YOU GET IN THERE BUISNESS THEY START NAME CALLING THATS THERE DEFENSE

[Catz007]

Bismillah

@DefendDeen:

Salam

You are trying to expose the extremes: how do you treat the Salafis? How do you treat the Sunni problems in history, when it is impossible to reconcile the Ghadeer sermon and the events of Saqifah, and the war between Umm-ul-Mu'mineen Ayesha and Amir-al-Mu'mineen Ali (as)?

[DefendDeen]

@Catz007 I don't see any takfir done by Imam Ali (as), yet the 12er call everyone else apostates. There is no reconciliation here. Unless of course you admit, that it is only Allah (swt) to who will be the final judge. On top of that this response can't be under taqiyah.

[Catz007]

@DefendDeen

Which response in Taqiyyah? My response? I believe that not everyone was apostates, but some did khurooj and some usurped, and if they repented, God is Merciful, but I do believe in the Wilayah of Ali (as) after the Prophet.

I prefer not to enter specifics of cursing for 2 reasons: respect for Sunni Muslims and because I believe a general curse over the oppressors of Ahlulbayt is sufficient without entering the details of names.

[Catz007]

That was not under Taqiyyah because I have no reason for Taqiyyah. You don't wish to oppress me and I have no fear of being oppressed. The expression of my views do not endanger Islam. Therefore, I don't need to engage in Taqiyyah.

[DefendDeen]

@Catz007 According to the 12ers Taqiyyah is not only for safety. Refer to Kitab al-Hidaya of Shaykh Saduq. Even being nice to Sunnis is taqiiyah in the 12er Shia sect. In another you have to pretend you like us on the outside and hate us in the inside. If you want the ahadith I can post it here.

[zeee52]

Please upload the entire video and then state your point.By clipping and cutting a part of what the speaker is saying is just a way of fabricating his real meaning.Just as brother @notgoingnowhere stated that he is contradicting another point of view.

[DefendDeen]

@zeee52 In the whole video he quotes Bukhari stating the Prophet (pbuh) made an error in Namaz. Yet the Rajabali fails to realize that the same ahadith exist sin al Kafi and it is graded sahih by Mullah Majalisi. I mean okay the ahadith is wrong. However, the wrong was accepted by the 12er Shia school as well. Likewise All Sunnis do not agree that Bukhari is infallible.

[omid3hezar]

this ammar guy is not an alim. The question is, why is he occupying the pupit with no authenticity and approval and thus stating false statements because of his lack of knowledge. Please ignore such people and do not promote them.

[DefendDeen]

@omid3hezar That's the problem. In the shia community these guys are put upfront and the scholars are pushed back because the community cares about emotions instead of authenticity.

[x69Crunchyx]

@DefendDeen i'd say they care about "eloquence" and the credibility of the speaker and the image he has brought upon himself in the past years. Hassanain who is in the country I live in atm has everything I look for in a speaker and more. His brother in law Ali Khalfan is also seen as value in my own eyes; he is not just appealing to the masses, their words are both for the majority and for the intellectuals who would ponder over it.

wasalam

[DefendDeen]

@x69Crunchyx Trust me he is no shia scholar. He is just a great orator with a Western degree. The same case is with Nakshawani who charges $2000 per majalis. Even non-Muslims with degrees are intelligent. So intellectuals are found in every society, but today Islamic scholarship is rare. As for credibility Al Kafi says the Prophet made a mistake in namaz and Mullah Majalisi grade it sahih. Does he condemn such scholars ? No. So there are double standards.

[salarashour]

hhhhahaha your stupid ashole hahaha u speak about shia and the last man in the clip is a shia his name is Hassanain Rajabali! hahahahaha idiot

[DefendDeen]

@salarashour I am aware of that. I am just showing you how your leaders contradict each other. By the way there is a narration in Kuylani which says the Prophet made a mistake in namaz. In fact majlisi authenticated it.

[salarashour]

@DefendDeen oh realy? do u know that in sahih bukhari and all your sahih hadith that the prophet(S) and stafur el allah said that u can rape women and that abu bakr is batter then rasol allah?

[DefendDeen]

@salarashour No brother I am not aware of that. Please post here. By the way Shaykh Saduq in your books says yellow shoes gives you an orgasm. He also calls it a sunnah to wear it too. As for status do you Nakshwani said Ali is better than the Prophet and Fatima is better than Ali & the Prophet combined?

[salarashour]

@DefendDeen ooh Really did he? wooow but wait, do you know what the difference is between us, Shia and Sunni? It is that we do not follow the scholars we follow our marja3. Who cares if he wrote it in his fictional book. We Shias are just following the books of ahlulbayts (AS) not the book of people's. But you Sunni have sahih books about dicks and pussy and rape are good things! visist my page and u will se everything ;)

[DefendDeen]

@salarashour But brother you don't have any direct books by the imams. Shaykh saduq's books are the ahadith of the imams. The imams of ahlul bayt never codified their fiqh, due to pressure. The books shias have today today came way after. Also about following a marja, a shia brother just proved to me that paying khumms is bidah. He says khumms should only go to the imam and noone else. I was shocked to see his shift. I always used to mock the 12r about khumms before that.

[salarashour]

@DefendDeen HAHAH habibi brother sahih bukhari and muslim and your earliest book come for 200 after the prophet (S)

[DefendDeen]

@salarashour You are correct. However, we should agree that the only infallible book is the Quran. By the way the first shia ahadith books also comes in 100s of years after the imams.

[salarashour]

@DefendDeen brother if I'll be honest, I've been tired of arguing about the same religion with my own Muslim brothers. I have discussed with so many Sunni and Shia brothers of the same religion. but we have forgotten the love of our nation. We will never come to anything. The sionist are wanting us to fight! Dejjal is the sionist regim!

[DefendDeen]

@salarashour I think its important for us point the extremes from both sides. For examples Sunnis do blind taqleed of sahih ahadith. This is not correct. As for satanist, remember before them were the Ummayads, then Abbasids. We really never had a proper government. Umar bin Abdul Aziz (ra) was good for unity, then Mamoon has some good characteristics. When we have bad governments who don't take of us, we start releasing the frustration on each other.

[naqi16]

@DefendDeen NaghulBalagha, and insight to Ali's (a.s) Life, you can dispute it all along, but the doubtful feeling will always remain :)

[DefendDeen]

@naqi16 Trust me bro, I can show you letters in Najh AlBalagha where Al Khoie dismissed it because it weakened the shia position.

[salarashour]

@DefendDeen Sahih Bukhari, Book 62: Volume 7, Book 62, Number 121:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet said, "If a man Invites his wife to sleep with him and she refuses to come to him, then the angels send their curses on her till morning."

you abuu halleluja is the narreter hahahaha ;) This is rape!! if a girl not want to sleep with a wahabi like u then the angels will curse her!! Stafur el allah! stupid idiots and this is your sahih books! YOUR SAHIH BOOKS!!!! we have to do infejerat now!!

[DefendDeen]

@salarashour It doesn't force her to have sex. It is just saying that the angels curse her. A husband and wife have their rights in Islam. See if the wife doesn't give her husband his rights then she causes him to suffer all night. Plus men will start looking at other women if they don't get satisfaction.

I don't see how this is rape.

[DefendDeen]

@Notgoingnowhere Yes, but Ammar also has this belief. Check it out.

/watch?v=6BeqDILCl9Q

[QASIMTALKIN]

And yet you think Islam Should Be lead By People Who Make Errors And In The End If There Is Any Vacancy Left Give The Throne To The One Who Rightfully Deserved It..as you said ``he preferred to allow someone to take that position due to the dangers which existed``Well That Gives A Clear Idea imam Ali(a.s) was to be the first one but yet take him as forth......``in no manner i mean to argue with you forgive me if i am harsh aat any point``

[QASIMTALKIN]

sahabs made errors ...but imam ali(A.s) dint nither did any imam after him..

[DefendDeen]

@QASIMTALKIN Sure that is true. However, Imam Ali (as) also had to rethink many of his decisions. Examples of this is are his appointment of Abbasi relatives in Basra, replacement of Muhammad ibn Abi Bakr (ra), his initial level of trust toward Ziyad etc. Also, when he was asked to become 4th calipah by the sahaba, he preferred to allow someone to take that position due to the dangers which existed.

[QASIMTALKIN]

or may be i am saying all this in vain ...cuz all that you care is to show that shia religions not the right one right ...so as you said Allah know better ....i respect your views cuz there are many other who would go on calling shias kafir...

[DefendDeen]

@QASIMTALKIN How can I say shias are kaffir? They say the Kalma with sincerity. Remember Allah (swt) is our god, there he does not think like me or you.

[QASIMTALKIN]

Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 53, Number 325:

Narrated Ayesha(mother of the believers),'After the death of Allah's Apostle Fatima,the daughter of Allah's Apostle asked Abu Bakr As-Siddiq to give her the share of inheritance from what Allah's Apostle had left of the Fai (i.e. booty gained without fighting)which Allah had given him. Abu Bakr said to her,

[QASIMTALKIN]

"the Holy Prophet (saww) had said, 'Our property will not be inherited, whatever we (i.e. prophets) leave is Sadaqah (to be used for charity)." Fatima, the daughter of Allah's Apostle got angry and stopped speaking to Abu Bakr, and continued assuming that attitude till she died. Fatima remained alive for six months after the death of the Holy prophet(saww).

[QASIMTALKIN]

well if thats the case then i guess u must belive what you just said and avoid every hadith by bukhari cuz the given below totally contradicts your views..,,

Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 53, Number 325:

[DefendDeen]

@QASIMTALKIN I am aware of the fadak ahadith, and I know Abu Bakr (ra) was wrong. However, Ahlul Bayt (as) made compromises. If you read the full ahadith it say Imam Ali (as) gave bayah right after. It seems like Imam Ali (as) wanted to prevent the sahaba from making further errors.

[QASIMTALKIN]

do u say shias are momins?what do you say your sect is?...

apart from this believe me i literally cried when i read you comment about bib fatima your words implied me that you know what has happened to her after prophets death yet to live in the dark...

bib zainab(a.s) was enslaved but bibi fatima (s.a) had to fight for her rights not to get what was hers but to show who the hypocrite's were

[DefendDeen]

@QASIMTALKIN Not every shia is a momin, but sure they can be momins. Only Allah knows best. Allah's mercy for the entire ummah. Its not restricted for Sunnis or shias. As for Bibi Fatima (sa), I believe no one would dare touch Imam Ali (as) wife. However, your people have insulted Imam Ali (as) by making up stories. If you want to cry go ahead. But if you say Imam Ali (as) failed to protect his wife then you have something else to cry about. My creed says Imam Ali (as) is a lion.

Ya Ali Madad

[QASIMTALKIN]

LOL....U GOT POINT BRO...So True If the hypocrites remind hidden we would still not know who they were ...

BUT THEY CAME OUT Of THIR DEN AND BURNED DOWN THE HOUSE OF PROPHETS BELOVED DAUGHTER ....NOW WE KNOW WHO THEY ARE!!!!!!

[DefendDeen]

@QASIMTALKIN Do you really expect me to believe that? When Prophet Ibraheem (as) was thrown in the fire, Allah (swt) saved him. However, you believe imams are higher than prophets so what happened here ? Why do we have to wait for the 12th imam to bring justice ?

[QASIMTALKIN]

@DefendDeen

The question is, where did YOU gather this nonsense.

We do not see The Imams as higher than any prophet, and we do not see the Imams as divine or to have spoken to God.

We simply believe they hold more knowledge than anyone else selected. They know Islam better than any other Muslim at that time and for that reason they should have been our leaders after Muhammad.

Sunni brothers and sisters, please do not assume what you do not know about your Shia brothers. We are all Muslim.

[DefendDeen]

@QASIMTALKIN Go on shiachat. They say that imams are higher than Prophets. Start a discussion with your 'momin' brothers there. I bet you more than 80% will say the 12 Imams are higher than previous Prophets. Also, please tell me why Prophet Ibraheem (as) was saved from the fire. Also, tell me why Bibi Zaineb (sa) survived, but not Bibi Fatima (as)? Does this mean you believe Umar (ra) was worst than Yazid ?

[QASIMTALKIN]

Nabi (Prophet)

Rasul (Messenger)

Imam (Leader)

work it for your selves.

[DefendDeen]

@QASIMTALKIN Tell me something I don't know. Also cut out the nationalism where you see only shias as momins and sunnis as monafiqs.

[LearnQuranicArabic]

The word تَعْلَمُهُمْ means " YOU dont know them". the pronoun is singular and not plural as the video mistakenly states.

[DefendDeen]

@LearnQuranicArabic Jazakallah for the correction. I agree I made a mistake.

[moe8448]

@DefendDeen salaaam, brother if u believe u made amistake then change the video and correct it, also i have reason to believe u actually think ammar nakshawani is ignorant or hypocritical or something, the easiest thing to do is ask the man what he meant so that he can clarify ur misunderstanding, u making a video about him being wrong or whatever only shows ur hate towards the shia sect of islam.

[DefendDeen]

@moe8448 I admit I made a mistake. However, there is a still an issue with Ammar's statement. Ammar says the monafiqeen were sitting and eating with the Prophet. He did this deliberately so he can attack the sahaba. If you look at tafseer which I have check later, it says they were monafiqs in the city. It wasn't people who sat and eat with the Prophet (pbuh) as Ammar ignorantly points out.

Also, Ammar is no scholar, but people like him to represent the shia sect. Its your fault not mine.

[qazwini]

Salam,

I understand the point you are making regarding the verse however I do not understand it's connection to Hassanain's clip. Hassanain is speaking about those who believe the holy prophet (saw) was not infallible and made mistakes, however not being able to recognize hypocrites is not a mistake, not a sin. Whether he was able to recognize them or not is a blessing of Allah (swt).

Clarification between the clips is appreciated.

[DefendDeen]

@qazwini Waslaam

In another words what you are trying to say is the Prophet (pbuh) was not able to recognize the hypocrites, but when he passed away all the hypocrites were recognized when they rejected Imam Ali's (as) waliyah. In the Imami fiqh everyone who rejected Imam Ali's (as) to be the first calipah is a hypocrite.

[MSH786]

@qazwini Thank you! There is no relation between the 2 clips.

[DefendDeen]

@MSH786 IF you want to give you the context of what Hassanain Rajabali said then in Al Kafi it says the Prophet (pbuh) made a mistake in namaz. On top of that Mullah Majalisi rated it sahih.

[TheFazproductions]

brother I didn't spam you or anything, I'm simply trying to point out something you did.... good luck

[DefendDeen]

I am open for corrections. Look at my response to spiceitup121. I have allowed the user to response. As long as you don't go off topic or spam my page you are free to respond.

[spiceitup121]

@DefendDeen

YO DUDE , you just copyed n pasted so it doesn't makes sence here . N yeah ammar nakshwani is a human , not some programed computer , he makes mistakes,(that is if he made a mistake ) also i sure ammar nakswani intension was not that the prohet didn't know anything . i know what you r saying n i understand , but to get this misauderstand clear , we should ask him instead of just post videos....

[DefendDeen]

If you can help me out then why don't you find a verse that shows that the Prophet (pbuh) did know who the monafiqs were. I listened to Ammar's lectures, and I didn't find any verse from them. If Imam Ali (as) can used to find out if one is a monafiq then why didn't the Prophet (pbuh) who spoke to Jibrael (as) know who they were ? Ammar's intention to justify why the shias believe the majority of the sahaba were shaytaan. This is why he didn't bother going any further.