What is an Atheist? As told by an Atheist

[GodsArePeopleToo]

i think i'm going to stop saying 'i'm an atheist' and just start responding, specifically, 'i don't believe in any gods. what would you like to call that?' screw it, let them call me what they want. i know what an atheist is. did ya ever notice how they redefine everything? just look in the merriam-webster dictionary (which has christian editors) to see what i mean when they capitalize such words as 'god' and how THEY define 'atheist'

[91706SOLDIER]

RESPECT WAT U ARE SAYING BUT ISN'T THE BIBLE AS GOOD AS HAVING A TITLE TO A CAR, A RECITE, OR A BILL FOR THE CAR EVEN THOU U DONT SEE UR FRIENDS CAR HE SHOWS U THE PAPER WORK THAT SHOWS HE HAS A CAR WILL U BELIEVE HIM????

[UberLogic]

@91706SOLDIER I might be a nice point but your story is just one among hundreds of thousands that ALL claim to know some form of god. With this the vast majority of them are mutually exclusive especially if you are supporting christianity. It is the equivalent to everyone you know having a hand written copy of a bill of sale for the same car and all saying that THEY own it to the exclusion of everyone else. At the same time none of them actually possessing the car or any real evidence.

[otherworldtrader1]

you need to get infront of a mirror and practice for about 2 weeks before making a video. yuo look totally uncomfortable with speech and camera shy.

[babybebe105]

'I'm not saying there is no god, i dont really care' :L ohh how i did enjoy this video :')

[sooperfukker]

[9]

Some of the people in this crowd are deeply opposed to the ideology behind Obama's politics, while other people in that crowd... well, they just don't like n*ggers.

And both of them carry the same signs around. Is it really clever to give this "group" any credibility for their uniting "anti" view of things?

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Or would it be more honest to say that this group is so different in itself, that I would prefer to hear about the single members' views and judge them accordingly?

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[jumpmonkey03]

@sooperfukker Did you just seriously completely obfuscate history, misuse archaic terminology, and equate atheism with hate groups? Here's an idea if you're serious. First, listen to what the atheists are actually saying instead of telling them. Try to engage in discussion without sounding like a condescending asshole. Second. Go to the SPLC. Try to find a listed hate group that -isn't- religiously motivated.

Either that, or you're a really clever troll. In which case 9/10, would rage again.

[sooperfukker]

@jumpmonkey03

I listened to what they said;

to what they said infront of rolling camers and to what they said when the cameras aren't rolling and the differences between those statements are tremendous.

Infront of the camera you can usually hear some rather serious argumentation against the negative influences of religion (which has nothing to promote atheism as such btw), and behind the cameras, you often deal with an highly aggressive group of sophomores, trying to promote a "cleansing".

[sooperfukker]

It's a hidden agenda, a totalitarian ideology lots of these folks have got in the back of their minds.

In my opinion, they're as dangerous and despicable as the very circumstances they're pointing their fingers at.

And in fact, in that regard, these atheists are a religious hate group.

Searching "what is atheism" here on youtube immediately reveals a listing of obviously up-to-no-good blabberers and in the end, there is no reason to give them any credibility.

[sooperfukker]

[7]

- Pantheism and Panentheism, meaning either that the universe is a part of god or that god and its universe are identical.

Needless to say, that strong agnostics, pantheists and panentheists are largely unhappy to be hijacked by this overflowing idea of atheism (which is basically reduced to beeing "anti theism", not "anti-theist" in the original sense).

Be aware that the examples above are really just a FEW examples. The topology is MUCH MUCH LARGER.

[sooperfukker]

[6]

- Very similar, you'd find postulatoric approaches, which consider deities to be unuseful until a point, where conventional explanational methodology ends.

- You'd find weak agnostic approaches, simply stating the proof for deities hasn't been found (yet).

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What people like Dawkins would like to see in this chariot:

- Strong agnosticism, denies the overall possibility of such proof, rendering every attempt and conclusion as not truth-apt, therefor invalid.

[sooperfukker]

[3]

You'd find strong positions, examples:

- Coming out of the corner of "metaphysical rationalism", stating that something can only exist, if it's perceptible by means of human reasoning, therefor rejecting the existance of deities, because they're not perceptible by the human mind.

Very similar to the "logical metaphysical approach", in which things like deities cannot exist, because they ultimately produce antinomies.

[sooperfukker]

[1]

Hi, I hadn't forgotten, it just took me some time to write something meaningful.

Atheism -in the original sense- represents the view of the world, in which no "god" exists.

Historically it derives from the greek term "atheos", where the "a" is the alpha privativum for "the opposite of", grammatically stating a negating notion.

Coming out of ancient greece, it was limited to personal deities, later opened to "numinoses" by roman philosophy, any worldly form in which a deity incarnates.

[sooperfukker]

My point >>>

During history, really bright minds have explored every aspect and corner of atheism with all its consequences.

With this respect for the human mind in the back of my head, what am I supposed to make of these superficial self proclaimed atheists here on Youtube, who have the darned cheek to sit in front of a camera, talking out of their *sses for a couple of minutes, "teaching" others about atheism ... ?

Am I really supposed to respect them ? I think they deserve an asskicking.

[UberLogic]

@sooperfukker -- Please be specific with criticisims and what particular comments I made in vid that you have a problem - It was one of my first vids and I should remake it for clarity but have not had the time. Your solution of violence is not very productive and saying that some unmention historical figure has made a better point is just rediculious. If you want history -- a good one to start with is Epicurious. The quote that ends "Why call him god?"

[sooperfukker]

@UberLogic

I'm preparing a rather full evaluation of your vid, one thing I can already tell : You are no atheist. Not nearly. But that's ok, I will descramble the whole thing. Just have a little patience.

[UberLogic]

@sooperfukker why don't u just explain to me what makes someone an atheist? Since I apparently have no idea.

[sooperfukker]

@UberLogic

OK, that might be sufficient, although I dearly HATE these 500 chars youtube boxes.

[UberLogic]

@sooperfukker --- there are hundreds of THOUSANDS of gods that men have created throughout history. Me not believing in the one that you happen to think is true is no more significant than you noe believing in ALL of the other ones. I just believe in ONE less than you . . .

[sooperfukker]

@UberLogic

That's just one of the misconceptions that result from this dire superficiality and the "concept of the enemy", which this newish atheist movement proposes:

Any opponent in discourse must automatically be a religious person. Which I am not (<re-read!)

Atheism is not an inferior concept, but your position definetely is (along with all others you can find here on Youtube) and it doesn't get any better by repetition. These youtubers are "unworthy" of the atheist badges they're wearing.

[UberLogic]

My point was that just insulting me does not make ANY valid point. It also does nothing to address anything that I have said.

So my question is . . what is your point? Or do you just get that "warm and fuzzy feeling" by insulting people when you don't agree with them ? ? ? ? ?

[UberLogic]

@sooperfukker nice - think u can fit more logical fallicies in less letters - you almost set a record . . .

[sooperfukker]

@UberLogic

Well, at least that was a PROPER insult, something the youtube atheists might want to stick to when chosing a proper introduction to their videos ;-)

[sum1otosh1]

I'm sorry but I don't believein any god, not a single one, does that make me an uber-atheist?

Besides that the word atheist comes from the greek meaning without deity, Which iswhat I am. Without any deity. But not so closed minded to say that the possibility of a deity of some description is zero. That would be unscientific of me

[AnimeFreakKatie]

I've never thought of the definition of "atheism" that way. But if atheism is what you say, then I don't think I'm atheist. I guess instead of saying "I don't believe that god exists" I should say "I believe that god doesn't exist". So if I'm not atheist, what am I? I'm saying that I really don't think there is a god. I've been trying to figure that out for a long time. It seems that everyone has there own personal definitions of atheism.

[UberLogic]

@AnimeFreakKatie Not believing the stories is all that is required to be an atheist -

The "I don't believe god exist" is good. You can actually limit it to "I don't believe the story" Then that actually removes the question of if there is or is not a god and makes it where they have to support there claims.

I'm prob gonna remake this vid cause I did not get it exactly like I want it. Also I have had a while to figure out how to say it better.

[peasantsoul]

I agree with this definition. 

[daveassanowicz]

I realize this video is older, but thank you for your explaination and perspective. I always wondered about the ghost thing myself. Oh, and I know you said your not naming every god/religion but you forgot Odin. The Vikings/Norse mythos were always my favorite.

[nittygritty82]

very well put UberLogic!

[s4m5on]

sounds more like you are defining agnostics to me. Like I am Agnostic I believe all organized religion are wrong but there still may be a "god".

[SonofJaphet]

Obviouly you read the bible diagonaly or repeating what other atheists wrote or said

Nothing original here just another atheist parrot

[UberLogic]

@SonofJaphet -- I can't see how ancient pagan mythology has any relavence on modern society

[SonofJaphet]

@UberLogic Simple ,Technology has evolved  but

humans didnt.We may have more knowledge but we re still savages .Information is not knowledge and knowledge is not wisdom..You are comparing the Bible to Greek mythology?Let me tell you that the Greek philosophers copied the Jewish philosophy ,they didnt invented anything they just borrowed it,they even distorted history for their own glory (See Josephus vs Apion)

[UberLogic]

@SonofJaphet No I am not comparing the bible to greek mythology - I am stating that it is a FACT that the bible is but one of MANY different mediteranian mythologies.

You should research Horus. Which predates jewish mythology -

Among other similarities Horus (like Jesus) was born of a virgin on dec 25 - performed miracles (including walking on water, healing the sick, raising the dead) killed on a cross - rose in 3 days. He was also called the lamb of god, the light, the way, ETC . . .

[kwiksteen]

I don't believe in cars. HaHa...........

[celestialmindphil]

We create our own God...God is just a word that discribe what you believe upon. He is not setting in a throne. He or she is in you.

This man speak himself. He is what he say.

Your belief is just a part of everything in this world.. No one is true and no one is false!

There is no morality nor immorality. Morality and immorality are one.

There is no opposites only your perception create it.

Just live a life in free!

[ultimateatheist]

Sorry but your definition is off a little. What you're describing is an agnostic.

Atheism strictly defined means someone that doesn't believe in a god. Its taken from the greek word atheos. a, meaning no and theos, meaning god. It doesn't necessarily mean someone that knows or even believes that there are no gods but simply that they don't believe that there are gods.

Anyone that says they think there may be gods but that no religion has it right would be an agnostic.

[OMGBBQ1one]

With respect, you don't speak for all Atheists, your explanation is more along the lines of being an agnostic. Atheists do not believe in ANY gods or deity's without presentable proof. We don't believe in santa clause, the tooth fairy for that matter either.  The mere suggestion that a god is plausible is not a common theme among Atheists, nor is Atheism a tool to attack the religious. The bible is not proof either, it is a book that has been rewritten and re-interpreted through the centuries.

[HotCoffeeColdToffee]

Loved the god/car analogy

[rusty2029]

You are correct in the usage of the word and I too am atheist to all other gods then the Christian God.

I even have evidence for my belief. And you reject this evidence. The best evidence was gathered together and put in a book called the Bible. Even the Kalam Cosmological argument is a science based evidence for at least a deist God. But there is much more evidence and it is rational. But I don't see positive arguments or burden of proof imposed upon atheists as there non-belief is a void

[UberLogic]

My problem is the BLATANT contradictions in the bible.

God is Love =?= God is Genocidal, Racist, Bigoted, Immoral, likes Slavery, Opresses women, Rewards human sacrfice. Along with this he slaughters innocent babies and children alomst as a rule. Then he is so weak minded that the only way to get to heaven is to kiss his ass.

I don't believe he is real because an all loving being would not be so shallow, but I don't care because I would not worship this horrible immoral monster.

[rusty2029]

The inconsistancy of God is an argument that atheists use. Yet my personal study and contemplative communion with God is a powerful and positive activator for my properly basic belief.

The strawman god you mention is not real and I can clearly join in why you would reject that fantasy strawman you are talking of. But then you are not reflecting reality. If this was true then I suggest that there would be many more atheists join you and Christianity would be the less then 10% minority

[PerfectionZinc]

yet you never argued his point about the bible having inconsistencies. :o

by the way uberlogic....your usage of the word is wrong in the sense that you do NOT speak for all atheists :s

[UberLogic]

I am NOT doing a strawman. I am making the point that the divine morality that chirstians claim is NOT from the bible.

If you claim your morality is from the bible please give me the passages related to your morality on genocide, what to do to people that tell you about different beliefs, opression of women, homosexuality, blasphemy, working on sabboth, slavery, lying, beating a slave, free speech, freedom of religion.

Please include if it is a crime and the punishment described.

[AAL]

nice video!