Atheists are dumb they think they're so smart. Most of them are loser virgins that are just mad all the time. Also how anyone can think we came from nothing or some big bang is insane. Herp derp long time ago all these chemicals and particles went bang and formed life and everything in it! Herp derp. ROFL. Matt D is a dick in this debate and tries to end the convo when he's stuck.
@crizilla138 "Atheists are dumb they think they're so smart. Most of them are loser virgins that are just mad all the time" so says the person who is in a cult that says you need to be a virgin until you're married or you dont get to sit on a cloud when you die. I think you'll find that xtians are the most uncool people on the planet. For example, type in christian rock and see for yourself, thats how cool christians are
As for the rest of your comment, dumb? Talking, snakes,bushes and donkeys.
Um, he didn't get stuck. There are some things we just don't know, and making up an explanation (as Slick does) doesn't make it true. The same most definitely goes for a god. Sometimes "I don't know" is the only honest answer.
Logic works because the universe is uniform, and if it wasn't then nether would logic be. Therefore, logic is dependent on the universe. No need for a mind and no philosopher, scientist or anyone who knows what logic is would ever argue that we need a mind for logic.
@JMUDoc Slicks argument is based on the premise that there are two types of objects, Abstract and Material. He then claims God is neither.
His version of the TAG argument is simply special pleading, to state that "God" has special rules, beyond the rules he premises he sets up and therefore no refutation is required as his arguement is self defeating.
@Koreiwa - not to object, but wouldn't God have special rules that apply to him as a deity outside of time? I might actually see where slick is going here.
@Reinpret His claim is that there's a logical argument for God. He makes that claim based on the suggested 'transcendence' of logical absolutes. (Logical absolutes are things which are by definition always true.)
He then tries to make the case that these things aren't "always true" as there's a special being, he calls God, which is outside of these rules. Which is proven when he states he believes God is neither Physical, or conceptual while also making the claim......
@Reinpret claim.... that everything falls into either "Physical or "Conceptual" sub-sets.
My point was that, thats not a logical proof of anything. It's special pleading. Matt Slick himself has actually since ammended his TAG arguement in light of Dillahuntys arguements by the way.
Also the statement "outside of time" is problematic. Any being outside of time would incapable of action. As if time doesnt change, theres no moment in which you could take action. Amoung many other issues
@Koreiwa - i was unaware of slick's ammended TAG argument. Not that this provides any physical proof, theologically your point about a being outside of time being incapable of action.. oddly enough is resolved with the holy trinity. As i'm sure you are aware, or should be anyway, the Father(heaven) Son(ascended to heaven from earth) Spirit(Left on Earth) God's communicator. Although not physical proof, it is exactly what Christian theology teaches.
@Reinpret I have significantly difficulty believing you understood what i said. If you're a Christian theist, you've to believe God was at one point "outside space and time", by himself, no spirit on earth, no Jesus going to heaven. No trinity.
If God existed "outside" of space and time. Lets say the time is 00:00. At what point is the universe made by the being? Remember time doesn't pass, "outside the universe" as space/time are dimensions of our universe.
@Koreiwa -"At what point is the universe made by the being?" that sentence is itself is self contradictory to your point. Point indicates a moment in time, where no point in time is needed when time itself was not created. We as humans work on time, we understand on time,biblically before the fall, we understood time, even if it was an unfallen world prior, it worked entirely based on created time. It may be 'difficult' for you to grasp, bLogical, yes, does my human mind comprehend it 100%,no
i feel like, its just depressing to sit around and debate huge existential questions all day, it must be emotionally draining for non-Christians. Not being bias here, but it's certainly easier for Christians to just fall back on their beliefs at the end of the day. But for atheists, the mysteries of beyond are shrouded in uncertainty, for the most part. Atleast Christians have a false sense of stability. We're always looking for the truth, but why not just live life and stop worrying about it.
@fLcGambit Because Religion is very Dangerous as we've see demonstrated many times over the years.I realize there are some good believers out there but for every one of them there's always gonna be some nutjob bombing abortion clinics or flying planes into buildings at the behest of their'God'.Christians hate gays because god said to stone them to death.Women have been treated like shit up until the 20th century when they got to vote because god said woman caused the fall of man.I could go on
@fLcGambit It's definitely easier to believe an invisible person in the sky who loves me has got my back, and is all powerful and will wisk me away to eternal bliss when I die, it's also much more comforting. Just not everyone needs that comfort blanket to get them through life, some of us are fine not knowing some things that we don't yet have evidence for. Others can't stand not knowing, so it comforts them to latch on to something that fills the "I don't know spots" with "I know"
@fLcGambit Because they attemp to control our lives on the basis of their beliefs, thats why. Go to ground zero in New York, remember the magnificent building that stood there before religion did what religions always do.....destroy...........
@atheistdawn "Go to ground zero in New York, remember the magnificent building that stood there before religion did what religions always do.....destroy"
9/11 was not religious, it was political. The most plausible suspects are those at the highest levels our government, not islamic radicals. I'm not muslim but if you really believe the what the government is telling you about religious wars, you need to wake up to the political corruption. These are false flags attacks.
@fLcGambit ..... thats why we strive for knowledge and reason based on evidence. If you sit back, if you let them shout their dogma without challenging it then we will go back to the old days when religion was strong. When these bastards thought they had god on their side. Fucking hell thats the last thing we want.............
God is a spirit, an immaterial conscious being. All things in the universe consists of matter and/or energy, so if God isn't matter, is energy by definition. Energy is the capacity to do work, is eternal, omnipresent, wasn't created and can't be destroyed, can create matter, was the only thing present before the BB, and the energy required to make the universe must had been powerful. All these match Biblical descriptions of God. Therefore is plausible God exists.
@dejesusluisx It is indeed plausible. However, it is not probable that your version of a god, the all knowing, all powerful father figure who hates gays and sacrificed his son on the cross for the sins of his creation exists as the same being.
The "God is energy" argument is similar to the deist worldview and I would be much more inclined to believe that. However, as it still has an effect on the physical world, I need empirical evidence before I can accept that such an energy being exists.
@micometer ""who hates gays and sacrificed his son on the cross for the sins of his creation exists as the same being"" God doesn't hate gays, He loves them, and because He loves them, is precisely He rejects their behavior, the same way any parent would reject the behavior of a son (like drugs, alcohol or promiscuity) that would cause them many problems throughout their lives. Rejecting someone behavior is not the same as rejecting the person.
@dejesusluisx Yeah, loves them so much that he is willing to torture them forever. Sounds a lot like love to me.
If your god is a parent he's a pretty poor one. He created adam and eve knowing they would sin (omniscience) and the only loophole he can think of is sacrificing himself to himself. A good parent would keep their child from suffering, i.e. the removal of satan, yet he doesn't. Why? If god is so good then it would be in his character to remove the temptation of someone like satan.
@micometer "he is willing to torture them forever" God doesn't punish. It's your choice not to be with God, it is the punishment you bring to yourself. The Soul exists forever, since it's energy, and it carries who you are and all your life experiences. Where will it go when you die? There's only two choices, with God (If you're in God's wavelength) or without God. The without God place is the eternal darkness, you and your thoughts in an immense emptiness where you don't feel anything physical
@dejesusluisx "God doesn't punish. It's your choice not to be with God, it is the punishment you bring to yourself"
So I have a gun to your head, if you don't give me your money I will be forced to shot you. You are committing suicide if you don't had me over the money. See how that is stupid?
God created hell. God allows people do go there that he doesn't like. God can stop it if he wants but he doesn't. Therefore god is responsible. Its simple.
@thesparitan ""God created hell"" There is no hell, hell is the absence of God, is a feeling not a place. When you die you are either attracted to God if you are in His same wavelength, or not. If you are not, then your soul remains in the eternal darkness forever.
@micometer The Bible isn't the dictated word of God, is the inspired word from God, written by men over many centuries. God inspiration pass through man's biases that filters it, and it has to be interpreted based on for whom, where, why and how that inspiration was given. Is a collection of many books, not just one book. Each book in a collection is interpreted individually.
funny how you can debate for hours and hours about this when theist fail right from the start, that is proving that there actually is a god. ...so ridiculous
Matt slick should read van til next time, the real tag argument(as represented by van til) is that knowledge is not possible without God, not this random stuff about the laws of logic being conceptual...the tag argument is about epistemology...
if logical absolutes are contingent on god they aren't absolutes (which obviously they are absolutes).
i saw something recently that pissed me off because i'm a big fan of the absolutes. i've seen every movie with them in it.
apparently there's a new kind of logic called quantum logic that removes the law of the excluded middle (i.e. something can be both a particle and a wave). but it is both, and it isn't not both. their logical system can be defined with standard formal logic.
@rysw19 Wave/particle duality is not a counter-example to the law of excluded middle. To find a counter-example to the law of excluded middle, you'd have to find something that both is a wave and is not a wave at teh same time and in the same sense. Or you'd have to find something that both is a particle and is not a particle at the same time and in the same sense.
@philochristos well, actually i agree with you to some extent. it's not an counter-example to the law of the excluded middle. that's actually what i was saying. but it IS BOTH a particle and a wave, so far as we can understand, until it has been observed to be one or the other.
@skycrusher00 A skeptic that is blind to the truth is more of a fool than the naive who believe in the imaginary. "Beyond a doubt truth bears the same relation to falsehood as light to darkness." -Leonardo da Vinci
@IamGarySimpson "A skeptic that is blind to the truth is more of a fool than the naive who believe in the imaginary. "
Well, I don't think either one is anything to aspire to. At least the skeptic has a method for trying to determine what is actually true. Believing in the imaginary is never a good idea.
@jurnagin haha some of the funiest stuff ive ever read. i dont take you seriously because a theist always has arguments for their position and if they are intelligent they have more intelligent arguments. yours clearly show you to be very small minded. i mean comparing atheists to the klan! priceless. you obviously forget the KKK is a religious group. the trouble with theists is they make most of their arguments up. go read a book, watch the news or google anything. come on.
For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools (Romans 1:21-22). The atheist claims to be wise but he is a living, walking contradiction, it's as if he's arguing that there is no air while in the meantime he's breathing air. Foolishness!
@TruthBiblical Do you actually think that all atheists secretly "know" god exists and are just using some elaborate form of doublethink to avoid the self contradictions of the beliefs that you claim they hold? Really? Your empathetic abilities are that limited that you actually can't imagine someone who genuinely does not believe in god? You are wrong, and this notion is extremely insulting. And if you want proof that secular thinking isn't futile take a look at everything science has given us.
@FearMyLazerFace What exactly has science given us? Because to say "science gave" is to imply "science owned." Be careful how you word your responses.
@ThePurpleandGreenOne No it isn't. But for science we would have little underdstanding of how the universe around us functions and it is this understanding that allows us to create and use tools and technology. Advanced technology cannot exist without science and scence cannot exist without rational thinking, therefore: advanced technology would not exist but for rational thinking. Science and rational thinking are just ideas, how could they 'own' anything?
in part 4, at 8:10 matt D. says "we agree that absolutes upon which logic is based exist independent of us, logic is purely conceptual and contingent upon a mind to use" so...basically he starts, in this video, contesting Matt S's idea that logic is conceptual by nature (10:14), but then in part 4 HE AGREES with it. WTF?
A saw Matt Slick masturbating while looking at porn in a book store. He was doing it right where many people could see him. He has like a 2 inch penis. It was disgusting.
Matt Slick is a complete IDIOT! He is a pervert who is addicted to porn and tells anyone who disagrees with him that they have no understanding of logic. Obviously the opposite is true. He likes to have his lovers have abortions. You are a naughty naughty man Mr. Slick. GO SUCK A FUCKING DICK!!!!
I think it's unfortunate that in these discussions people seem to feel the need to declare one party or the other the "winner". When two intelligent people can discuss these matters in a way that compels us all to more closely examine our beliefs and, thus, edify each other and further forge fellowship among us as human beings, we are all winners. :)
I'm going to cut this conversation off here. I have other things to do like work for a living with the primates I get to work with daily and talk about heir evolution. I am intelligent which is why I whooped your sorry ass on every single argument you went for. I'm not evil, I do a lot of charity work for people and animals but the work I do with people shows me frequently how religion fucks up lives. The end.
@jurnagin Well that's not very Christian of you. But now we know your true colours, you are an unintelligent, poorly educated, immature, rude little boy. You lost the debate and turned into a swearing little juvenile prick. I guarantee you wouldn't have the balls to talk like that to my face but that's okay, you can hide behind the computer monitor and pretend you're a big tough guy. I won't respond to any further message from you so don't bother. I really won't be reading them.
@iansheridan123 just joking with cusswords, dont take it personnol, I've noticed atheist always attack a theist education whenever they respond, anyone can cuss, sorry again for offending you,
but remember we are flying thru space on a spinning ball at thousands of mph, and if nobodys in control then I would be worried, so you better say prayers, goodnight.
@jurnagin continued... If you are a jew in nazi germany and are treated badly for your beliefs how is that the jew's fault? You are ignorant of evolution and science. You equate atheism with evolution which only shows how uninformed you really are. maybe you need to take some classes at a community college before you equate evolution with abiogenesis and the big bang which are all totally different things. Or you could mentally masterbate by praying to your god for divine guidance.
@jurnagin dude it's not our fault you need an external source for a purpose to your life. Maybe you should get a girlfriend or something. Just because religion makes people feel good doesn't make it any truer than a hooker making a man less lonely for a night. You need to stop projecting beliefs onto non believers just because you can't fathom a world without your god. Oh and if we all posted our beliefs on a t shirt and atheists we're treated like shit, that's not our fault.
I have a test for everyone, For a week wear a teeshirt that support your views and notice how youre treated, If youre a atheist wear a sign that says "I ama atheist" and if you believe in God than do the same. very simple test,
See its easy to call yourself a atheist but living as one in public is like being Klansman without ever wearing mask.
@jurnagin What would this prove? If I wore a teeshirt stating my atheistic beliefs and was abused for such an action who would be at fault here? As a biblical literalist I suppose you must also believe that it's okay to own and beat slaves, and that children mocking a man for his baldness should be punished with 'death-by-bear'. I myself would suggest that I am therefore morally superior to you in that I abhor such violence.
@jurnagin Fourth point; I live in the UK. We have more atheists per capita than the USA but the USA has a higher crime rate than the UK. None of your arguments hold up dude.
@iansheridan123 If a country ban all religious activity with severe consequences (death) in about 40 years the people would be so uncontrollable that they would have to reinstate religion,
In USA when they took prayer out schools crime rate increased, teenage pregnancy, highschool dropout, disease,etc. skyrocketed,
they even stopped us from saying lords prayer befor football game, why?
If you loose your wallet in Sadia Arabia at airport, nobody will touch it, it will be there!!.
@jurnagin If you ban all religious activity then you are not taking away peoples faith, just their legal right to worship, they don't necessarily lose their belief in what is morally right or wrong. I think I'm right in saying that historically this would usually create resentment among your people that would eventually spill out as active rebellion, not against morals but against the government and by reinstating peoples right to worship they have no reason to rebel because they have won.
@jurnagin cont... The country with the lowest crime rate in the world was Burkina Faso and this is certainly not due to any religious movement but due to strict laws and an armed military police.
You are claiming that it is immoral for homosexuals to marry but I would claim it is immoral NOT to let homosexuals marry. Their actions are not causing any harm, pain or suffering to anyone else and they should be allowed the same rights as heterosexuals.
@jurnagin cont... To deny homosexuals the same rights DOES, in my opinion, cause harm, pain and suffering because it treats them as less worthy of those rights despite the fact they may be honest, good people. This to me is an immoral stance.
Do you think that I, as an atheist, am more likely to commit a crime than a theist? Now lets bring back your weird T-shirt idea, you basically claimed that if I wore a shirt stating my atheism I would get my ass kicked by theists. Hardly seem morally right.
@iansheridan123 I believe marriage is a male and female union, and if 2 gays wanna get married then one of them should get a sex change, If we allow gay marriage then it wouldnt be fair to those who get sex change and legally change their sex.
I believe in God therefore atheists arejust people who leave themselves vunerable to satan in my view and could be dangerouse.
If you express your views publically then maybe someone would wanna discuss your views and maybe change your ideas
@jurnagin This I really enjoy, mainly because you're so laughably naive! Do you honestly think the main reason for someone to go through gender reassignment surgery is because they're gay and want to marry? Google "gender identity disorder". And I do discuss my views publicly, you seem to be under the impression that I'm in the closet about my atheism and I'm just here online venting. Not so, I'm fine to discuss this shit anywhere, any time. It's my job to talk about primate evolution.
@iansheridan123 no no no, What im saying is marriage is for a man and a woman, and in order to legally change your gender i to have surgury, What about the people who get the surgury and then marry? I justdont think 2 gays can marry when people actually have sx change and marry,
if we let gays marry then what about men and animals and etc? Before I support gay marriage I would support taking it off the state books and let it be a rligious ceremony only..
@jurnagin you did -not- just compare gayness and bestiality, did you?
screw a religious ceremony, the right to inheritence, shared credit, tax deductions for new couples and ofc adoption when the society becomes ready for accepting kids raised by gay parents.
your ranting about sex change just shows your ignorance, the 123 guy even told you what to google in order to educate yourself. but you don't care about education, do you?
@omgopet youre missing my point!!, I dont hate gay people, I believe in God and the bible says nothing about lesbians!!
marriage is a union for woman and man cause when they have interource, little offsprings are made that will grow and inherit material that the parents worked for,
I personally think gay people are bewing misguided by athiest who have theirown agenda of getting people to doubt existance of God,
@jurnagin "If you express your views publically then maybe someone would wanna discuss your views and maybe change your ideas" Well, we are discussing my views and you are not changing my ideas. In fact, you're just proving to me that your ideas are intellectually redundant and morally wrong. This seems to happen over and over again. But you didn't insinuate that me wearing an atheist T-shirt would inspire lively debate, you likened it to unmasking a Klan member.
@iansheridan123 I hate labels, atheist is just a word, some people just dont believe in religion for various reason,
Atheist think that they are super intelligent and that theist are dumb, I believe the arrogance that atheist have is what causes them t not beieve in God,
Most people think of atheist as evil people full of hell, that s why I likened it to klansman,
but I personnaslly think atheist are just hateful people that lacks compassion, and the bible just fuels their anger.
@iansheridan123 marriage is a union for men and women to have children and pass belongings to ofsprings, so 2 queers cant have kids therefore marriage isnt ment for them, Im not against gayness, even the bibe says nothing about women being lesbians, but I think the attack on marriage by gays is anti religion led by atheist,
And I know bout people with genetic disorders and those with partially formed gentiles, it gets complicated, but im way too sleepy right now lol.please respond.
@jurnagin I don't think it matters if the attack is led by theists or atheists, I'm not following some atheist leader who tells me gay marriage is unatheistic, that is absurd. But it is still wrong. And as for passing belongings on, well I also believe Homosexual couple should have the right to adopt children and of course, it is still possible for homosexuals to reproduce so the argument fails there. I really can't help thinking you're constantly changing the subject as I beat you here.
@iansheridan123 I can remember when I was young my parents never locked car doors when we went to store and left keys in ignition switch, and there was little petty crime, but murder was unheard of, But when atheist came around and started using laws to separate religion from state everything changed.
now gays are trying to marry in USA, oh boy, the preacher said these days were coming, I dont hate gays, but if we cant understand marriage then somethings wrong!!
@jurnagin HAHA... then why is it that Atheistic countries (such as Sweden) have the lowest crime rates in the world. While highly religious countries (such as the U.S.) have crime rates that go through the roof?
@atheistram I need to do research on Sweeden but I do know that here in America They took God out the schools in 1963 and put Caarles Darwin in and we have lost our religion.
I remember after the 911 attacks the president of U.S held a moment of silence on national tv, and didnt call on Jesus, While Bil Laden was praising Allah,
We are not a religious country anymore.they stopped us from praying before football games in high school(why) we had to just be silent, thats silly.
@jurnagin They did NOT stop you from praying at all. They stopped government and school sponsorship of a particular religion. You are free to pray all you want at any time in school. You just can't disrupt what is going on in the classrooms. Likewise YOU are free to pray all you want before football games in high school. The school just can't sponsor it.
@atheistram I wouldn't bother arguing with this douchebag, he's and idiot who will argue just for the sake of it, often against his own argument and when you point out his inconsistencies will turn nasty and just start swearing at you and insulting you (as you can see below with me!). An idiotic waste of human skin.
@Nikolai7575 Well We shouldnt be ashamed to own our lord, George Bush went to church every sunday but during 911 attacks he didnt call all on his God out loud! but said hold moment of silence, But I bet his paster surely read him the bible story about Daniel getting put in lions den for praying, If we had a President with real religious values then I bet our nation would be stronger economically and milleterily
@jurnagin How? How on Earth could belief in an invisible man somewhere in the sky possibly make anything better? Don't even say morals, because it's irrelevant. Obama is improving things. Also, we don't need military. We need less military. It's a waste of money.
You assume that there is a god as fact. That is not true. A fact is something that can be demonstrated, and is true every time. Seperation of church and state should be more strictly enforced, in my opinion.
@Nikolai7575 NOBODY knows if there is a God, belief is all you have to go on, thats all, very simple,
I think we need a stronger millitery but make them engineers/soldiers, plenty of things to do here in country like border patrol,
I personally believe if our president had sum good God given wisdom then that would solve our problems with national debt and economy and energy but Obama hasnt produced like I thought he would.
@jurnagin NOBODY knows that Darwinistic Evolution (did you like that terminology) is true. Belief is the basis that you must go on as well, it's also that simple. You can try to site evidence all you want, but you must trust those who are presenting the case for this form of evolution (sounds kind of familiar). Unless you have done the research yourself and were able to define the results on your own merit, you have no more to go on then the person who believes what the bible says.
You're conflating faith...and TRUST in mountains and mountains of evidence. If you are implying a vast conspiracy of scientists faking DNA across countries, universities, and disciplines...in collaboration with a vast conspiracy of paleonologists who also work with chemists who all fake fossils and the fossil record...in collaboration with medical doctors and biologists who make vaccinations... you are just wrong. And this is NOTHING like believing the bible because it says so.
No matter how far Matt D. Dumbs it down these Theists just don't get it. Ever. Arrogant loud mouths trying to feel like they're right. Dodging questions then demanding answers.
Who made Slick the spokesman for the existance of God? and who made Dillahuntry the spokesman for atheism,
I believe God calls a man to preach, and to simply argue with a nonbeliever without having a church sermon with singing and praying is like going into battle with a pocket knife while leaving all other advanced weapons behind. and thats so illogical to me.
@jurnagin Yea it's much easier not questioning your beliefs or debating somebody with a different mindset. Illogical is believing in a Jewish zombie asking you to eat his flesh and drink his blood and then bow to his father as your master and you'll gain eternal life.
@johnalton22 Well lets not be hasty, those are symbolic rituals done in church, Atheist bash religion, but why?
At least religion has a purpose for life, atheist say we evolved millions of years ago by acciident in non organic goop which all started in a Big Bang less than the size of a dot on this screen, and we are perfectly formed as humans that reproduces itself, and these humans are intelligent, comon stop bullshitting yourself, atheists really believein God but dont admit it.
@jurnagin Perfectly formed as humans.... Well there are many floors with the human form; the appendix for one, I'm going to stop here because the list is very long. A PERFECT form would not be prone to illness but we are. And no, we are not in denial about a belief in God. If we believed in a God that would send us to Hell to face unimaginable suffering for all eternity for claiming we did not believe him why would we deny our belief and thus condemn ourselves to suffer in Hell for all eternity?
@iansheridan123 If we just evolved then why only one heart, why not 2, we have 2 lungs and 2 kidneys, im sure in millions of years of evolving we would of had better systems to pump blood, what im trying to say is that man was perfect before sin in garden of eden,
remember even if life is evolving, we never went extiinct, we are multiplying, so its not that hard to imagine that Man was made perfectly in image of God, but gets sick anfd surely dies.
@jurnagin Well you've actually just argued against yourself. Evolution does NOT move towards perfection, it is not directional, and does not follow any kind of plan, there is nothing about evolution that suggests it would make a PERFECT form. This is why, as I already pointed out, the human form is flawed. And I don't think you'll find anything in the bible that states God gave man a useless vestigial organ than could easily inflate, burst and kill him as a punishment for original sin.
@jurnagin I've re-read your previous statements and picked out a few contradictions. You stated that WE are perfectly formed as humans, when I pointed out that this is far from the case you then said that man was perfect only before the original sin in the garden of eden. You argued that man can only be perfect if God created man, not evolution, then used God's creation as an argument for why man is imperfect and then argued that evolution would have led to the existence of a perfect man. Huh?
@iansheridan123 what I was saying is that man was once made by God to live forever, but after sinning God told him his days were limited, and from a biological point of view all our diseases comes as mutations but its hush hush to scientist because they may inadvertly prove man was once in perfect form, The only way we can be sure purpose of appendix is to go back in time and thats impossible,Early man could have had a food sourse with plenty of vitamins that appendix utilized, just my guess
@iansheridan123 Evoloution is complete opposite from creation, I know atheist say our pinky toe will soon disapear in about a million years or so, you can have yours cut off but I want mine, same with tail bone, doctors say people who have appendix removed lifespan is about 6 years shorter than others.
if nobody made us then kill yourself, youre nothing but goopanyway, dont do that you can always seek the Lord anytime anyplace, just call on him in time of need.
@jurnagin First point; you are saying atheist and scientist when you mean Darwinist or evolutionist. Don't get them mixed up, I don't refer to every theist as a creationist. It's incorrect. Second point; I've already exposed the contradictions in your argument. Third point; I could be wearing the tee right now for all you know, I've never been afraid to talk about my beliefs but like I said it would prove nothing. I actually talk about evolution all the time to members of the public in my job.
REPHRASE: The law of non contradiction doesn't say that all statements that can be made are either true or false, it states that any truth statement that can made is either true or false. Look at the statement "This statement is false," it is apparent that it does exist if it didn't exist then no one would have ever made it. But, because it is internally contradictory, no statement that is a truth statement can be made about "This statement is false," and there for don't exist.
CONT. This is very bad, because Dillahunty means that statement "this statement is false" exists, it is only a statement that describes the truth value of the statement "This statement is false" that does not exist.
5:12 Dillahunty said that logical absolutes don't mean that every statement that can be made is either true or false, they say that all statements that can be made have the attributes that they do, and not the attributes that they don't have. I.E. "The statement 'this statement is false' is false, Not, It is true that 'This statement is false' is false, or vice versa." Slick completely missed that. He thought Dillahunty meant, "this statement is false, because it violates logical absolutes."
LOL eternityeverlasting1 is so ridiculous... He actually thinks Matt Slick was actually winning. See what religious minds can do to ya? It makes you delusional... ROFL
I didn't read all the comments, therefore maybe I'm not the first to point this out ... Slick said the logical absolutes only exist in a mind. No mind -> no logical absolutes. He also said God has to follow the logical absolutes and is not the author of them. So which mind (not human, not God) is the author? The author must exist before God. Because God always was following the logical absolutes. And the author must have a mind (according to Slick) because the absolutes can only exist in minds.
Maybe I'm missing something here and it's already been answered elsewhere, but if Matt slick is stating that everything is either conceptual or physical, all Matt D has to ask is 'Then what is God? Is he conceptual or physical?'
@mushimushi93 Knowing Matt Slick, he'd probably answer "neither." But when Matt Dillahunty says that logical absolutes can be "neither", then apparently WHOA, HOLD YOUR HORSES!
@mushimushi93 Given that he seems to be either an idiot, stubborn or a stubborn idiot I'm guessing his response would be that God is neither. Actually I take that back, I can't think of a word to describe his "thought" process. There are no words or emotions.
So I guess I'm saying his circular stupidity is transcendant. All hail slick, he has shown us the way to truth. I think before we act in anyway we should first ask ourselves, "what would Slick do?" then do the opposite.
They could have stopped after this part. The confusion of the process of logic with logical absolutes turned the whole argument to dust. But then, that's always the case when you try to define something into existence.
I think I also had an epiphany: Of things that are physical, conceptual, and abstract, Newtons laws of motion are abstract. The fact than an object will remain in stasis when no force is acting upon it, and the fact that it will move when force does act upon it, will not change if there are no minds to view it. So Newtons Laws are abstract.
why the hell dont atheist just let people believe what they want to believe? if god doesnt exist, well, thats great...for YOU. stop proselytizing with these shows, videos, debates etc. it self defeats everything atheism is, by definition, and is utterly ridiculous. "the atheist experience? gimme a break. with crap like this its hard to differentiate them from the "religious zealots"
@ElJuzgado Aww, the poor religious getting schooled by 10% of America. We have a right to free speech just as those morons on the 700 club and the like. The difference is our agenda is truth. Saying that having open/on-air discussions "defeats everything atheism is" shows your mental retardation. Atheism is just a lck of belief in a god. You are an atheist when it comes to Zeus...we just go one further. Anymore brain busters or you wanna shut up and learn?
@bloodties1 you moron. your response just served to further reinforce the points I made. can any of you atheist fools respond to someone with opposing views in an civil manner, free of ad hominems, insults and bitterness for once?
"Anymore brain busters or you wanna shut up and learn?"
this makes you look exceedingly dumb . it wasnt intended to be a "brain buster" buddy. it was simply a statement i m
One thing i dislike about the show.. the MICROPHONES !
Schoening91 1 week ago
This theist's condescending tone is getting under my skin like a jonesing junkie's bugs.
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you could say the same thing about math
afronutz 1 month ago
Atheists are dumb they think they're so smart. Most of them are loser virgins that are just mad all the time. Also how anyone can think we came from nothing or some big bang is insane. Herp derp long time ago all these chemicals and particles went bang and formed life and everything in it! Herp derp. ROFL. Matt D is a dick in this debate and tries to end the convo when he's stuck.
crizilla138 1 month ago
@crizilla138 I can't tell if you're a troll... or genuinely retarded.
Imbabrox 1 month ago 3
@Imbabrox Troll.
alianchild 1 month ago
@crizilla138 "Atheists are dumb they think they're so smart. Most of them are loser virgins that are just mad all the time" so says the person who is in a cult that says you need to be a virgin until you're married or you dont get to sit on a cloud when you die. I think you'll find that xtians are the most uncool people on the planet. For example, type in christian rock and see for yourself, thats how cool christians are
As for the rest of your comment, dumb? Talking, snakes,bushes and donkeys.
1984LizardKing 3 weeks ago
@crizilla138
Um, he didn't get stuck. There are some things we just don't know, and making up an explanation (as Slick does) doesn't make it true. The same most definitely goes for a god. Sometimes "I don't know" is the only honest answer.
TheTexanCanadian 3 weeks ago
@crizilla138 /watch?v=vXQlYhLcQ2c
blackman6270 1 week ago
Logic works because the universe is uniform, and if it wasn't then nether would logic be. Therefore, logic is dependent on the universe. No need for a mind and no philosopher, scientist or anyone who knows what logic is would ever argue that we need a mind for logic.
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@thesparitan There seem to be four possibilities:
1. The universe is the way it is becaue of logical axioms;
2. Logical axioms arise from the way the universe is;
3. Both are interdependent;
4. Neither, and both axioms and universe arise from something even more basic.
Slick has apparently gone for #1, with absolutely no treatment of the other options.
JMUDoc 1 month ago
@JMUDoc Good point.
thesparitan 1 month ago
Slick's argument boils down to
"7>3 everywhere and at all times, therefore god exists."
The lynchpin seems to be that a perfect mind is necessary for these absolutes to live in - it isn't. They can live in MY mind, and YOURS. Job done.
JMUDoc 1 month ago
@JMUDoc Slicks argument is based on the premise that there are two types of objects, Abstract and Material. He then claims God is neither.
His version of the TAG argument is simply special pleading, to state that "God" has special rules, beyond the rules he premises he sets up and therefore no refutation is required as his arguement is self defeating.
Koreiwa 1 month ago
@Koreiwa - not to object, but wouldn't God have special rules that apply to him as a deity outside of time? I might actually see where slick is going here.
Reinpret 1 month ago
@Reinpret His claim is that there's a logical argument for God. He makes that claim based on the suggested 'transcendence' of logical absolutes. (Logical absolutes are things which are by definition always true.)
He then tries to make the case that these things aren't "always true" as there's a special being, he calls God, which is outside of these rules. Which is proven when he states he believes God is neither Physical, or conceptual while also making the claim......
Koreiwa 1 month ago
@Reinpret claim.... that everything falls into either "Physical or "Conceptual" sub-sets.
My point was that, thats not a logical proof of anything. It's special pleading. Matt Slick himself has actually since ammended his TAG arguement in light of Dillahuntys arguements by the way.
Also the statement "outside of time" is problematic. Any being outside of time would incapable of action. As if time doesnt change, theres no moment in which you could take action. Amoung many other issues
Koreiwa 1 month ago
@Koreiwa - i was unaware of slick's ammended TAG argument. Not that this provides any physical proof, theologically your point about a being outside of time being incapable of action.. oddly enough is resolved with the holy trinity. As i'm sure you are aware, or should be anyway, the Father(heaven) Son(ascended to heaven from earth) Spirit(Left on Earth) God's communicator. Although not physical proof, it is exactly what Christian theology teaches.
Reinpret 1 month ago
@Reinpret I have significantly difficulty believing you understood what i said. If you're a Christian theist, you've to believe God was at one point "outside space and time", by himself, no spirit on earth, no Jesus going to heaven. No trinity.
If God existed "outside" of space and time. Lets say the time is 00:00. At what point is the universe made by the being? Remember time doesn't pass, "outside the universe" as space/time are dimensions of our universe.
Koreiwa 1 month ago
@Koreiwa -"At what point is the universe made by the being?" that sentence is itself is self contradictory to your point. Point indicates a moment in time, where no point in time is needed when time itself was not created. We as humans work on time, we understand on time,biblically before the fall, we understood time, even if it was an unfallen world prior, it worked entirely based on created time. It may be 'difficult' for you to grasp, bLogical, yes, does my human mind comprehend it 100%,no
Reinpret 1 month ago
i feel like, its just depressing to sit around and debate huge existential questions all day, it must be emotionally draining for non-Christians. Not being bias here, but it's certainly easier for Christians to just fall back on their beliefs at the end of the day. But for atheists, the mysteries of beyond are shrouded in uncertainty, for the most part. Atleast Christians have a false sense of stability. We're always looking for the truth, but why not just live life and stop worrying about it.
fLcGambit 3 months ago
@fLcGambit Because Religion is very Dangerous as we've see demonstrated many times over the years.I realize there are some good believers out there but for every one of them there's always gonna be some nutjob bombing abortion clinics or flying planes into buildings at the behest of their'God'.Christians hate gays because god said to stone them to death.Women have been treated like shit up until the 20th century when they got to vote because god said woman caused the fall of man.I could go on
hunkallgood73 2 months ago
@fLcGambit It's definitely easier to believe an invisible person in the sky who loves me has got my back, and is all powerful and will wisk me away to eternal bliss when I die, it's also much more comforting. Just not everyone needs that comfort blanket to get them through life, some of us are fine not knowing some things that we don't yet have evidence for. Others can't stand not knowing, so it comforts them to latch on to something that fills the "I don't know spots" with "I know"
RobWRobins 2 months ago 2
@fLcGambit Because they attemp to control our lives on the basis of their beliefs, thats why. Go to ground zero in New York, remember the magnificent building that stood there before religion did what religions always do.....destroy...........
atheistdawn 2 months ago
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@atheistdawn "Go to ground zero in New York, remember the magnificent building that stood there before religion did what religions always do.....destroy"
9/11 was not religious, it was political. The most plausible suspects are those at the highest levels our government, not islamic radicals. I'm not muslim but if you really believe the what the government is telling you about religious wars, you need to wake up to the political corruption. These are false flags attacks.
dwheel39 2 months ago
@fLcGambit ..... thats why we strive for knowledge and reason based on evidence. If you sit back, if you let them shout their dogma without challenging it then we will go back to the old days when religion was strong. When these bastards thought they had god on their side. Fucking hell thats the last thing we want.............
atheistdawn 2 months ago
God is a spirit, an immaterial conscious being. All things in the universe consists of matter and/or energy, so if God isn't matter, is energy by definition. Energy is the capacity to do work, is eternal, omnipresent, wasn't created and can't be destroyed, can create matter, was the only thing present before the BB, and the energy required to make the universe must had been powerful. All these match Biblical descriptions of God. Therefore is plausible God exists.
dejesusluisx 3 months ago
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urcorrect 3 months ago
@dejesusluisx It is indeed plausible. However, it is not probable that your version of a god, the all knowing, all powerful father figure who hates gays and sacrificed his son on the cross for the sins of his creation exists as the same being.
The "God is energy" argument is similar to the deist worldview and I would be much more inclined to believe that. However, as it still has an effect on the physical world, I need empirical evidence before I can accept that such an energy being exists.
micometer 3 months ago
@micometer ""who hates gays and sacrificed his son on the cross for the sins of his creation exists as the same being"" God doesn't hate gays, He loves them, and because He loves them, is precisely He rejects their behavior, the same way any parent would reject the behavior of a son (like drugs, alcohol or promiscuity) that would cause them many problems throughout their lives. Rejecting someone behavior is not the same as rejecting the person.
dejesusluisx 3 months ago
@dejesusluisx Yeah, loves them so much that he is willing to torture them forever. Sounds a lot like love to me.
If your god is a parent he's a pretty poor one. He created adam and eve knowing they would sin (omniscience) and the only loophole he can think of is sacrificing himself to himself. A good parent would keep their child from suffering, i.e. the removal of satan, yet he doesn't. Why? If god is so good then it would be in his character to remove the temptation of someone like satan.
micometer 3 months ago
@micometer "he is willing to torture them forever" God doesn't punish. It's your choice not to be with God, it is the punishment you bring to yourself. The Soul exists forever, since it's energy, and it carries who you are and all your life experiences. Where will it go when you die? There's only two choices, with God (If you're in God's wavelength) or without God. The without God place is the eternal darkness, you and your thoughts in an immense emptiness where you don't feel anything physical
dejesusluisx 3 months ago
@dejesusluisx "God doesn't punish. It's your choice not to be with God, it is the punishment you bring to yourself"
So I have a gun to your head, if you don't give me your money I will be forced to shot you. You are committing suicide if you don't had me over the money. See how that is stupid?
God created hell. God allows people do go there that he doesn't like. God can stop it if he wants but he doesn't. Therefore god is responsible. Its simple.
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@thesparitan ""God created hell"" There is no hell, hell is the absence of God, is a feeling not a place. When you die you are either attracted to God if you are in His same wavelength, or not. If you are not, then your soul remains in the eternal darkness forever.
dejesusluisx 1 month ago
@dejesusluisx How do you know that?
YaleBreaker 1 month ago
@YaleBreaker revelation...
dejesusluisx 1 month ago
@micometer The Bible isn't the dictated word of God, is the inspired word from God, written by men over many centuries. God inspiration pass through man's biases that filters it, and it has to be interpreted based on for whom, where, why and how that inspiration was given. Is a collection of many books, not just one book. Each book in a collection is interpreted individually.
dejesusluisx 3 months ago
matt slick was crushed when asked to defend his absolutes here:
fatfist hubpages com/hub/There-are-NO-Absolutes-There-is-NO-Absolute-Truth
see the comments at the bottom
tsixles 3 months ago
funny how you can debate for hours and hours about this when theist fail right from the start, that is proving that there actually is a god. ...so ridiculous
managarm1349 4 months ago
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cantthinkofone77 4 months ago
@kyokumajr can you put the Creative Commons Attribution License on these videos so we can share them on our own channel?
chadwick0091 4 months ago 10
Matt Won
mas03 5 months ago 2
Respond to this video... that's funny.
cantthinkofone77 4 months ago
Matt slick should read van til next time, the real tag argument(as represented by van til) is that knowledge is not possible without God, not this random stuff about the laws of logic being conceptual...the tag argument is about epistemology...
PrinceofPreachers 5 months ago
if logical absolutes are contingent on god they aren't absolutes (which obviously they are absolutes).
i saw something recently that pissed me off because i'm a big fan of the absolutes. i've seen every movie with them in it.
apparently there's a new kind of logic called quantum logic that removes the law of the excluded middle (i.e. something can be both a particle and a wave). but it is both, and it isn't not both. their logical system can be defined with standard formal logic.
rysw19 7 months ago
@rysw19 Wave/particle duality is not a counter-example to the law of excluded middle. To find a counter-example to the law of excluded middle, you'd have to find something that both is a wave and is not a wave at teh same time and in the same sense. Or you'd have to find something that both is a particle and is not a particle at the same time and in the same sense.
philochristos 6 months ago
@philochristos well, actually i agree with you to some extent. it's not an counter-example to the law of the excluded middle. that's actually what i was saying. but it IS BOTH a particle and a wave, so far as we can understand, until it has been observed to be one or the other.
rysw19 6 months ago
@rysw19 The law of the excluded middle has been a problem even since Aristotles time, it´s not a new problem
yatter1 5 months ago
@yatter1 not necessarily a criticism, but educate me. how so?
rysw19 5 months ago
@yatter1 Read aristotle
yatter1 5 months ago
Respond to this video... or bertrand russell
yatter1 5 months ago
@yatter1 a problem? i'd like to hear how. maybe you know more than me.
rysw19 5 months ago
It's disheartening to know that such fabulous minds are robbed of their ability to question and doubt...
skycrusher00 7 months ago 20
@skycrusher00 A skeptic that is blind to the truth is more of a fool than the naive who believe in the imaginary. "Beyond a doubt truth bears the same relation to falsehood as light to darkness." -Leonardo da Vinci
IamGarySimpson 4 months ago
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@IamGarySimpson "A skeptic that is blind to the truth is more of a fool than the naive who believe in the imaginary. "
Well, I don't think either one is anything to aspire to. At least the skeptic has a method for trying to determine what is actually true. Believing in the imaginary is never a good idea.
HBJ
HunchbackJack 4 months ago
@jurnagin haha some of the funiest stuff ive ever read. i dont take you seriously because a theist always has arguments for their position and if they are intelligent they have more intelligent arguments. yours clearly show you to be very small minded. i mean comparing atheists to the klan! priceless. you obviously forget the KKK is a religious group. the trouble with theists is they make most of their arguments up. go read a book, watch the news or google anything. come on.
quirkyrecords 7 months ago
For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools (Romans 1:21-22). The atheist claims to be wise but he is a living, walking contradiction, it's as if he's arguing that there is no air while in the meantime he's breathing air. Foolishness!
TruthBiblical 7 months ago
@TruthBiblical Do you actually think that all atheists secretly "know" god exists and are just using some elaborate form of doublethink to avoid the self contradictions of the beliefs that you claim they hold? Really? Your empathetic abilities are that limited that you actually can't imagine someone who genuinely does not believe in god? You are wrong, and this notion is extremely insulting. And if you want proof that secular thinking isn't futile take a look at everything science has given us.
FearMyLazerFace 7 months ago
@FearMyLazerFace What exactly has science given us? Because to say "science gave" is to imply "science owned." Be careful how you word your responses.
ThePurpleandGreenOne 6 months ago
@ThePurpleandGreenOne No it isn't. But for science we would have little underdstanding of how the universe around us functions and it is this understanding that allows us to create and use tools and technology. Advanced technology cannot exist without science and scence cannot exist without rational thinking, therefore: advanced technology would not exist but for rational thinking. Science and rational thinking are just ideas, how could they 'own' anything?
FearMyLazerFace 6 months ago
in part 4, at 8:10 matt D. says "we agree that absolutes upon which logic is based exist independent of us, logic is purely conceptual and contingent upon a mind to use" so...basically he starts, in this video, contesting Matt S's idea that logic is conceptual by nature (10:14), but then in part 4 HE AGREES with it. WTF?
llahwen 7 months ago
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A saw Matt Slick masturbating while looking at porn in a book store. He was doing it right where many people could see him. He has like a 2 inch penis. It was disgusting.
MrSupernova890 7 months ago
Matt Slick is a complete IDIOT! He is a pervert who is addicted to porn and tells anyone who disagrees with him that they have no understanding of logic. Obviously the opposite is true. He likes to have his lovers have abortions. You are a naughty naughty man Mr. Slick. GO SUCK A FUCKING DICK!!!!
MrSupernova890 7 months ago
it's a special breed of person who goes around thinking everybody who doesn't share their worldview is evil.
ouch2112 7 months ago
I think it's unfortunate that in these discussions people seem to feel the need to declare one party or the other the "winner". When two intelligent people can discuss these matters in a way that compels us all to more closely examine our beliefs and, thus, edify each other and further forge fellowship among us as human beings, we are all winners. :)
GeetarAdam 8 months ago
I'm going to cut this conversation off here. I have other things to do like work for a living with the primates I get to work with daily and talk about heir evolution. I am intelligent which is why I whooped your sorry ass on every single argument you went for. I'm not evil, I do a lot of charity work for people and animals but the work I do with people shows me frequently how religion fucks up lives. The end.
iansheridan123 8 months ago
@iansheridan123 dont forget to say your prayers before mummy tuck you in fuckface!!
jurnagin 7 months ago
@jurnagin Well that's not very Christian of you. But now we know your true colours, you are an unintelligent, poorly educated, immature, rude little boy. You lost the debate and turned into a swearing little juvenile prick. I guarantee you wouldn't have the balls to talk like that to my face but that's okay, you can hide behind the computer monitor and pretend you're a big tough guy. I won't respond to any further message from you so don't bother. I really won't be reading them.
iansheridan123 7 months ago
@iansheridan123 just joking with cusswords, dont take it personnol, I've noticed atheist always attack a theist education whenever they respond, anyone can cuss, sorry again for offending you,
but remember we are flying thru space on a spinning ball at thousands of mph, and if nobodys in control then I would be worried, so you better say prayers, goodnight.
jurnagin 7 months ago
this discussion hurts my thinking box, back to eating my porridge
aierce 8 months ago
Which mind is god a concept of? If god is the absolute absolute, what mind conceptualized god?
baldurus1 8 months ago
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baldurus1 8 months ago
@jurnagin continued... If you are a jew in nazi germany and are treated badly for your beliefs how is that the jew's fault? You are ignorant of evolution and science. You equate atheism with evolution which only shows how uninformed you really are. maybe you need to take some classes at a community college before you equate evolution with abiogenesis and the big bang which are all totally different things. Or you could mentally masterbate by praying to your god for divine guidance.
johnalton22 8 months ago
@jurnagin dude it's not our fault you need an external source for a purpose to your life. Maybe you should get a girlfriend or something. Just because religion makes people feel good doesn't make it any truer than a hooker making a man less lonely for a night. You need to stop projecting beliefs onto non believers just because you can't fathom a world without your god. Oh and if we all posted our beliefs on a t shirt and atheists we're treated like shit, that's not our fault.
johnalton22 8 months ago
I have a test for everyone, For a week wear a teeshirt that support your views and notice how youre treated, If youre a atheist wear a sign that says "I ama atheist" and if you believe in God than do the same. very simple test,
See its easy to call yourself a atheist but living as one in public is like being Klansman without ever wearing mask.
jurnagin 8 months ago
@jurnagin What would this prove? If I wore a teeshirt stating my atheistic beliefs and was abused for such an action who would be at fault here? As a biblical literalist I suppose you must also believe that it's okay to own and beat slaves, and that children mocking a man for his baldness should be punished with 'death-by-bear'. I myself would suggest that I am therefore morally superior to you in that I abhor such violence.
iansheridan123 8 months ago
@iansheridan123 Well then wear the t shirt, whats the matter not man enough to face resentment, im not ashamed to own my lord,
countries that follow strict religious teachings have a very low crime rate, its only when they westernise that they become full of crime,
The jews were once enslaved but were delivered from captivity,
jurnagin 8 months ago
@jurnagin Fourth point; I live in the UK. We have more atheists per capita than the USA but the USA has a higher crime rate than the UK. None of your arguments hold up dude.
iansheridan123 8 months ago
@iansheridan123 If a country ban all religious activity with severe consequences (death) in about 40 years the people would be so uncontrollable that they would have to reinstate religion,
In USA when they took prayer out schools crime rate increased, teenage pregnancy, highschool dropout, disease,etc. skyrocketed,
they even stopped us from saying lords prayer befor football game, why?
If you loose your wallet in Sadia Arabia at airport, nobody will touch it, it will be there!!.
jurnagin 8 months ago
@jurnagin If you ban all religious activity then you are not taking away peoples faith, just their legal right to worship, they don't necessarily lose their belief in what is morally right or wrong. I think I'm right in saying that historically this would usually create resentment among your people that would eventually spill out as active rebellion, not against morals but against the government and by reinstating peoples right to worship they have no reason to rebel because they have won.
iansheridan123 8 months ago
@jurnagin cont... The country with the lowest crime rate in the world was Burkina Faso and this is certainly not due to any religious movement but due to strict laws and an armed military police.
You are claiming that it is immoral for homosexuals to marry but I would claim it is immoral NOT to let homosexuals marry. Their actions are not causing any harm, pain or suffering to anyone else and they should be allowed the same rights as heterosexuals.
iansheridan123 8 months ago
@jurnagin cont... To deny homosexuals the same rights DOES, in my opinion, cause harm, pain and suffering because it treats them as less worthy of those rights despite the fact they may be honest, good people. This to me is an immoral stance.
Do you think that I, as an atheist, am more likely to commit a crime than a theist? Now lets bring back your weird T-shirt idea, you basically claimed that if I wore a shirt stating my atheism I would get my ass kicked by theists. Hardly seem morally right.
iansheridan123 8 months ago
@iansheridan123 I believe marriage is a male and female union, and if 2 gays wanna get married then one of them should get a sex change, If we allow gay marriage then it wouldnt be fair to those who get sex change and legally change their sex.
I believe in God therefore atheists arejust people who leave themselves vunerable to satan in my view and could be dangerouse.
If you express your views publically then maybe someone would wanna discuss your views and maybe change your ideas
jurnagin 8 months ago
@jurnagin This I really enjoy, mainly because you're so laughably naive! Do you honestly think the main reason for someone to go through gender reassignment surgery is because they're gay and want to marry? Google "gender identity disorder". And I do discuss my views publicly, you seem to be under the impression that I'm in the closet about my atheism and I'm just here online venting. Not so, I'm fine to discuss this shit anywhere, any time. It's my job to talk about primate evolution.
iansheridan123 8 months ago
@iansheridan123 no no no, What im saying is marriage is for a man and a woman, and in order to legally change your gender i to have surgury, What about the people who get the surgury and then marry? I justdont think 2 gays can marry when people actually have sx change and marry,
if we let gays marry then what about men and animals and etc? Before I support gay marriage I would support taking it off the state books and let it be a rligious ceremony only..
jurnagin 8 months ago
@jurnagin you did -not- just compare gayness and bestiality, did you?
screw a religious ceremony, the right to inheritence, shared credit, tax deductions for new couples and ofc adoption when the society becomes ready for accepting kids raised by gay parents.
your ranting about sex change just shows your ignorance, the 123 guy even told you what to google in order to educate yourself. but you don't care about education, do you?
omgopet 7 months ago
@omgopet youre missing my point!!, I dont hate gay people, I believe in God and the bible says nothing about lesbians!!
marriage is a union for woman and man cause when they have interource, little offsprings are made that will grow and inherit material that the parents worked for,
I personally think gay people are bewing misguided by athiest who have theirown agenda of getting people to doubt existance of God,
jurnagin 7 months ago
@jurnagin "If you express your views publically then maybe someone would wanna discuss your views and maybe change your ideas" Well, we are discussing my views and you are not changing my ideas. In fact, you're just proving to me that your ideas are intellectually redundant and morally wrong. This seems to happen over and over again. But you didn't insinuate that me wearing an atheist T-shirt would inspire lively debate, you likened it to unmasking a Klan member.
iansheridan123 8 months ago
@iansheridan123 I hate labels, atheist is just a word, some people just dont believe in religion for various reason,
Atheist think that they are super intelligent and that theist are dumb, I believe the arrogance that atheist have is what causes them t not beieve in God,
Most people think of atheist as evil people full of hell, that s why I likened it to klansman,
but I personnaslly think atheist are just hateful people that lacks compassion, and the bible just fuels their anger.
jurnagin 8 months ago
@iansheridan123 marriage is a union for men and women to have children and pass belongings to ofsprings, so 2 queers cant have kids therefore marriage isnt ment for them, Im not against gayness, even the bibe says nothing about women being lesbians, but I think the attack on marriage by gays is anti religion led by atheist,
And I know bout people with genetic disorders and those with partially formed gentiles, it gets complicated, but im way too sleepy right now lol.please respond.
jurnagin 8 months ago
@jurnagin I don't think it matters if the attack is led by theists or atheists, I'm not following some atheist leader who tells me gay marriage is unatheistic, that is absurd. But it is still wrong. And as for passing belongings on, well I also believe Homosexual couple should have the right to adopt children and of course, it is still possible for homosexuals to reproduce so the argument fails there. I really can't help thinking you're constantly changing the subject as I beat you here.
iansheridan123 8 months ago
@iansheridan123 I can remember when I was young my parents never locked car doors when we went to store and left keys in ignition switch, and there was little petty crime, but murder was unheard of, But when atheist came around and started using laws to separate religion from state everything changed.
now gays are trying to marry in USA, oh boy, the preacher said these days were coming, I dont hate gays, but if we cant understand marriage then somethings wrong!!
jurnagin 8 months ago
@jurnagin HAHA... then why is it that Atheistic countries (such as Sweden) have the lowest crime rates in the world. While highly religious countries (such as the U.S.) have crime rates that go through the roof?
atheistram 7 months ago
@atheistram I need to do research on Sweeden but I do know that here in America They took God out the schools in 1963 and put Caarles Darwin in and we have lost our religion.
I remember after the 911 attacks the president of U.S held a moment of silence on national tv, and didnt call on Jesus, While Bil Laden was praising Allah,
We are not a religious country anymore.they stopped us from praying before football games in high school(why) we had to just be silent, thats silly.
jurnagin 7 months ago
@jurnagin They did NOT stop you from praying at all. They stopped government and school sponsorship of a particular religion. You are free to pray all you want at any time in school. You just can't disrupt what is going on in the classrooms. Likewise YOU are free to pray all you want before football games in high school. The school just can't sponsor it.
You are horribly misinformed in your opinions.
atheistram 7 months ago
@atheistram I wouldn't bother arguing with this douchebag, he's and idiot who will argue just for the sake of it, often against his own argument and when you point out his inconsistencies will turn nasty and just start swearing at you and insulting you (as you can see below with me!). An idiotic waste of human skin.
iansheridan123 7 months ago
@iansheridan123 Well, there is still hope for even an idiotic waste of human skin. :)
atheistram 7 months ago
@jurnagin You can still pray, but no one should be forced to. It's incredible that we are becoming more secular.
Also, if silence is silly, then who says that speaking to nothing isn't?
Nikolai7575 7 months ago
@Nikolai7575 Well We shouldnt be ashamed to own our lord, George Bush went to church every sunday but during 911 attacks he didnt call all on his God out loud! but said hold moment of silence, But I bet his paster surely read him the bible story about Daniel getting put in lions den for praying, If we had a President with real religious values then I bet our nation would be stronger economically and milleterily
jurnagin 7 months ago
@jurnagin How? How on Earth could belief in an invisible man somewhere in the sky possibly make anything better? Don't even say morals, because it's irrelevant. Obama is improving things. Also, we don't need military. We need less military. It's a waste of money.
You assume that there is a god as fact. That is not true. A fact is something that can be demonstrated, and is true every time. Seperation of church and state should be more strictly enforced, in my opinion.
Nikolai7575 7 months ago
@Nikolai7575 NOBODY knows if there is a God, belief is all you have to go on, thats all, very simple,
I think we need a stronger millitery but make them engineers/soldiers, plenty of things to do here in country like border patrol,
I personally believe if our president had sum good God given wisdom then that would solve our problems with national debt and economy and energy but Obama hasnt produced like I thought he would.
jurnagin 7 months ago
@jurnagin NOBODY knows that Darwinistic Evolution (did you like that terminology) is true. Belief is the basis that you must go on as well, it's also that simple. You can try to site evidence all you want, but you must trust those who are presenting the case for this form of evolution (sounds kind of familiar). Unless you have done the research yourself and were able to define the results on your own merit, you have no more to go on then the person who believes what the bible says.
ThePurpleandGreenOne 6 months ago
You're conflating faith...and TRUST in mountains and mountains of evidence. If you are implying a vast conspiracy of scientists faking DNA across countries, universities, and disciplines...in collaboration with a vast conspiracy of paleonologists who also work with chemists who all fake fossils and the fossil record...in collaboration with medical doctors and biologists who make vaccinations... you are just wrong. And this is NOTHING like believing the bible because it says so.
greyeyed123 6 months ago
@ThePurpleandGreenOne
What particular peice of evidence (or the presentation of of that evidence) do you take issue with?
I'll get more information on it for you.
The evidence is available and able to be viewed and scrutinized / duplicated by anybody.
I realise that might sound "unfamiliar" but we can work through this eventually I'm sure.
FlyByW1r3 6 months ago
@ThePurpleandGreenOne Sorry pal, evolution is a fact. Do your homework next time.
JackeShanTwo 5 months ago
Matt won
GarretsShadow 8 months ago
Oh god matt slick is such a cunt
M3t4lManiac 8 months ago
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TacoBurgher327 8 months ago
@TacoBurgher327 Since when am I required to write a science novel as a comment to a youtube video? :P He is a cunt though.
M3t4lManiac 8 months ago
Christian Apologists just can't handle the truth of our existence. They deserve the utmost ridicule.
MassacreBlast 8 months ago
No matter how far Matt D. Dumbs it down these Theists just don't get it. Ever. Arrogant loud mouths trying to feel like they're right. Dodging questions then demanding answers.
Pantera4LifeXTX 8 months ago 13
Who made Slick the spokesman for the existance of God? and who made Dillahuntry the spokesman for atheism,
I believe God calls a man to preach, and to simply argue with a nonbeliever without having a church sermon with singing and praying is like going into battle with a pocket knife while leaving all other advanced weapons behind. and thats so illogical to me.
jurnagin 8 months ago
@jurnagin I have watched enough of Matt to say that I believe he is quite capable of holding up our shared opinion.
twistedH3L1X 8 months ago
@jurnagin Yea it's much easier not questioning your beliefs or debating somebody with a different mindset. Illogical is believing in a Jewish zombie asking you to eat his flesh and drink his blood and then bow to his father as your master and you'll gain eternal life.
johnalton22 8 months ago
@johnalton22 Well lets not be hasty, those are symbolic rituals done in church, Atheist bash religion, but why?
At least religion has a purpose for life, atheist say we evolved millions of years ago by acciident in non organic goop which all started in a Big Bang less than the size of a dot on this screen, and we are perfectly formed as humans that reproduces itself, and these humans are intelligent, comon stop bullshitting yourself, atheists really believein God but dont admit it.
jurnagin 8 months ago
@jurnagin Perfectly formed as humans.... Well there are many floors with the human form; the appendix for one, I'm going to stop here because the list is very long. A PERFECT form would not be prone to illness but we are. And no, we are not in denial about a belief in God. If we believed in a God that would send us to Hell to face unimaginable suffering for all eternity for claiming we did not believe him why would we deny our belief and thus condemn ourselves to suffer in Hell for all eternity?
iansheridan123 8 months ago
@iansheridan123 If we just evolved then why only one heart, why not 2, we have 2 lungs and 2 kidneys, im sure in millions of years of evolving we would of had better systems to pump blood, what im trying to say is that man was perfect before sin in garden of eden,
remember even if life is evolving, we never went extiinct, we are multiplying, so its not that hard to imagine that Man was made perfectly in image of God, but gets sick anfd surely dies.
jurnagin 8 months ago
@jurnagin Well you've actually just argued against yourself. Evolution does NOT move towards perfection, it is not directional, and does not follow any kind of plan, there is nothing about evolution that suggests it would make a PERFECT form. This is why, as I already pointed out, the human form is flawed. And I don't think you'll find anything in the bible that states God gave man a useless vestigial organ than could easily inflate, burst and kill him as a punishment for original sin.
iansheridan123 8 months ago
@iansheridan123 that list you mention is after God told adam and eve you will surely die
jurnagin 8 months ago
@jurnagin I've re-read your previous statements and picked out a few contradictions. You stated that WE are perfectly formed as humans, when I pointed out that this is far from the case you then said that man was perfect only before the original sin in the garden of eden. You argued that man can only be perfect if God created man, not evolution, then used God's creation as an argument for why man is imperfect and then argued that evolution would have led to the existence of a perfect man. Huh?
iansheridan123 8 months ago
@iansheridan123 what I was saying is that man was once made by God to live forever, but after sinning God told him his days were limited, and from a biological point of view all our diseases comes as mutations but its hush hush to scientist because they may inadvertly prove man was once in perfect form, The only way we can be sure purpose of appendix is to go back in time and thats impossible,Early man could have had a food sourse with plenty of vitamins that appendix utilized, just my guess
jurnagin 8 months ago
@iansheridan123 Evoloution is complete opposite from creation, I know atheist say our pinky toe will soon disapear in about a million years or so, you can have yours cut off but I want mine, same with tail bone, doctors say people who have appendix removed lifespan is about 6 years shorter than others.
if nobody made us then kill yourself, youre nothing but goopanyway, dont do that you can always seek the Lord anytime anyplace, just call on him in time of need.
jurnagin 8 months ago
@jurnagin First point; you are saying atheist and scientist when you mean Darwinist or evolutionist. Don't get them mixed up, I don't refer to every theist as a creationist. It's incorrect. Second point; I've already exposed the contradictions in your argument. Third point; I could be wearing the tee right now for all you know, I've never been afraid to talk about my beliefs but like I said it would prove nothing. I actually talk about evolution all the time to members of the public in my job.
iansheridan123 8 months ago
what's TAG?
beiggo 8 months ago
@beiggo Transcendental Argument for [the existence of] God
B^)
PJW1269 8 months ago
THIS. STATEMENT. IS. FALSE!! *dont think about itdont think about itdont think about itdont think about itdont think about itdont think about it*
tuseroni 9 months ago
@tuseroni ... what's your point I'm confused by this.
TheOmegajuice 8 months ago
@TheOmegajuice you would have had to play portal 2
tuseroni 8 months ago
this debate was out of my educational realm... lol
turtle5181 9 months ago
YOU HAVE TO BE RETARDED TO UNDERSTAND THESE ARGUEMENTS
valjew 10 months ago
@valjew I'm guessing that's your way of saying you didn't understand the debate.
244Ohiro 9 months ago
This is so intense 0.0
rsgirl10 10 months ago
Matt versus Matt.
blarson12 10 months ago
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tttooommm123 10 months ago
REPHRASE: The law of non contradiction doesn't say that all statements that can be made are either true or false, it states that any truth statement that can made is either true or false. Look at the statement "This statement is false," it is apparent that it does exist if it didn't exist then no one would have ever made it. But, because it is internally contradictory, no statement that is a truth statement can be made about "This statement is false," and there for don't exist.
tttooommm123 10 months ago
CONT. This is very bad, because Dillahunty means that statement "this statement is false" exists, it is only a statement that describes the truth value of the statement "This statement is false" that does not exist.
tttooommm123 10 months ago
5:12 Dillahunty said that logical absolutes don't mean that every statement that can be made is either true or false, they say that all statements that can be made have the attributes that they do, and not the attributes that they don't have. I.E. "The statement 'this statement is false' is false, Not, It is true that 'This statement is false' is false, or vice versa." Slick completely missed that. He thought Dillahunty meant, "this statement is false, because it violates logical absolutes."
tttooommm123 10 months ago
Good lord. I really wish I was anywhere near smart enough to understand and follow along with everything discussed in this video ...
TheKenBanks 10 months ago
LOL eternityeverlasting1 is so ridiculous... He actually thinks Matt Slick was actually winning. See what religious minds can do to ya? It makes you delusional... ROFL
dadiddlydooda 10 months ago
I didn't read all the comments, therefore maybe I'm not the first to point this out ... Slick said the logical absolutes only exist in a mind. No mind -> no logical absolutes. He also said God has to follow the logical absolutes and is not the author of them. So which mind (not human, not God) is the author? The author must exist before God. Because God always was following the logical absolutes. And the author must have a mind (according to Slick) because the absolutes can only exist in minds.
coretys 11 months ago
Maybe I'm missing something here and it's already been answered elsewhere, but if Matt slick is stating that everything is either conceptual or physical, all Matt D has to ask is 'Then what is God? Is he conceptual or physical?'
mushimushi93 11 months ago 12
@mushimushi93 Knowing Matt Slick, he'd probably answer "neither." But when Matt Dillahunty says that logical absolutes can be "neither", then apparently WHOA, HOLD YOUR HORSES!
progrockcoffee 11 months ago
@mushimushi93 Given that he seems to be either an idiot, stubborn or a stubborn idiot I'm guessing his response would be that God is neither. Actually I take that back, I can't think of a word to describe his "thought" process. There are no words or emotions.
So I guess I'm saying his circular stupidity is transcendant. All hail slick, he has shown us the way to truth. I think before we act in anyway we should first ask ourselves, "what would Slick do?" then do the opposite.
riggermortisify 7 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
To save viewers 45 minutes, here's the overall debate:
MS: "There are only two possiblities: conceptual or physical"
MD: "That's a false dichotomy. Prove to me there's only two possiblities."
MS: "So what's the other posssiblity?"
MD: "Non-conceptual."
MS: "So what's non-conceptual, if not physical?"
MD: "I don't know -- that's my great answer as always".
MS: "Well, if you don't know, how do you know there's a third option?"
MD: "Time for the next caller. Sorry we ran out of time."
namesameasu 11 months ago
I submit that the look of Matt's at 9:55 is pure badass. This may shape up to be my favourite of Matt's many excellent videos.
mysticjuicer 11 months ago
@mysticjuicer Umm...you mean the part where he sips his coffee? Yeah, pure bad-ass. Most intimidating thing I've ever seen...
Sempi10 11 months ago
Politeness meter for part 1: 9.5/10
Predicted results for the next 4:
2: 8/10
3: 5/10
4: 2/10
5: "No, No, No! That's it, you're done!"
N0tsaved 11 months ago
@N0tsaved Lol, that's hilarious. I'm actually in my university library right now doing a pragmatic analysis of this debate in terms of politeness. :D
Twinroads 11 months ago
@Twinroads
First, thank you :)
Sounds tougher than what I'm doing in my English Course so far XD
If you aren't already done, good luck! ;3
N0tsaved 11 months ago
I had a boss like Matt SLICK he was a Cunt too.
dilwich123 1 year ago 2
They could have stopped after this part. The confusion of the process of logic with logical absolutes turned the whole argument to dust. But then, that's always the case when you try to define something into existence.
Mattnesss 1 year ago
Why is everyone always so negative and hateful? Oooh that guy got owned! He's the dumbest person ever! He's a nutcase!
CambridgeHeights 1 year ago
What's this....a mutual admiration society?? Matt D, you're just too fawning and condescending. Religious nuts don't deserve it.
EddieCurrentFan 1 year ago
I think I also had an epiphany: Of things that are physical, conceptual, and abstract, Newtons laws of motion are abstract. The fact than an object will remain in stasis when no force is acting upon it, and the fact that it will move when force does act upon it, will not change if there are no minds to view it. So Newtons Laws are abstract.
MacabreManifesto 1 year ago
@MacabreManifesto They are also dependent upon physical existence. The Laws of Logic aren't being transcendent.
JesusforLife2 1 year ago
@MacabreManifesto No, my dear man. There's nothing abstract about stasis when you complete Newton's laws with the Theory of Relativity.
LesPaul2006 10 months ago
stfu and talk english
Hemouth 1 year ago
double m
Hemouth 1 year ago
I'd definitely say Matt D. won, yet this is one of the better arguments Really enjoyed this one...
yourjunk420 1 year ago 2
why the hell dont atheist just let people believe what they want to believe? if god doesnt exist, well, thats great...for YOU. stop proselytizing with these shows, videos, debates etc. it self defeats everything atheism is, by definition, and is utterly ridiculous. "the atheist experience? gimme a break. with crap like this its hard to differentiate them from the "religious zealots"
ElJuzgado 1 year ago
@ElJuzgado Aww, the poor religious getting schooled by 10% of America. We have a right to free speech just as those morons on the 700 club and the like. The difference is our agenda is truth. Saying that having open/on-air discussions "defeats everything atheism is" shows your mental retardation. Atheism is just a lck of belief in a god. You are an atheist when it comes to Zeus...we just go one further. Anymore brain busters or you wanna shut up and learn?
bloodties1 1 year ago
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ElJuzgado 1 year ago
@bloodties1 you moron. your response just served to further reinforce the points I made. can any of you atheist fools respond to someone with opposing views in an civil manner, free of ad hominems, insults and bitterness for once?
"Anymore brain busters or you wanna shut up and learn?"
this makes you look exceedingly dumb . it wasnt intended to be a "brain buster" buddy. it was simply a statement i m