As stated...while most tradesmen were "journeymen" regardless of gender...certain trades (such as milliners and mantua makers) were referred to as a "journeywoman". Yes, in most trades women would be rare (though not unheard of), but in there were a few dominated by women (see above). Right on with the comment about no political correctness and the need to place modern definitions where they don't apply.
There was no pressure tobe politically correct in the 18th century. A tradesman was a tradesman, a journeyman a journeyman, etc. regardless of the sex of the person the term was applied to. What's more, it would be very rare to see a woman engaged in a trade such as printer, cooper, or many of those shown in the video.
As for craftsman vs tradesman, this video features tradesmen, not craftsmen. We inappropriately place our modern definitions upon historical contexts.
Umm...so then what would the plural of journeywoman be? (and for certain trades dominated by women at the time "journeywoman" is the correct term just as the term "Mistress" would be used for those trades instead of master.)
I got the term trades people from the Colonial Williamsburg web site. They refer to them as both trades people and tradesmen. I do agree that the people are craftsmen.
@Hiraghm actually...these are tradesmen if you wish to use the appropriate 18th century term. And to be even more specific...journeymen, journeywomen, apprentices, etc...
As stated...while most tradesmen were "journeymen" regardless of gender...certain trades (such as milliners and mantua makers) were referred to as a "journeywoman". Yes, in most trades women would be rare (though not unheard of), but in there were a few dominated by women (see above). Right on with the comment about no political correctness and the need to place modern definitions where they don't apply.
roxtaj 2 months ago
There was no pressure tobe politically correct in the 18th century. A tradesman was a tradesman, a journeyman a journeyman, etc. regardless of the sex of the person the term was applied to. What's more, it would be very rare to see a woman engaged in a trade such as printer, cooper, or many of those shown in the video.
As for craftsman vs tradesman, this video features tradesmen, not craftsmen. We inappropriately place our modern definitions upon historical contexts.
buttonvalley 2 months ago
Umm...so then what would the plural of journeywoman be? (and for certain trades dominated by women at the time "journeywoman" is the correct term just as the term "Mistress" would be used for those trades instead of master.)
roxtaj 8 months ago
I got the term trades people from the Colonial Williamsburg web site. They refer to them as both trades people and tradesmen. I do agree that the people are craftsmen.
cefli 1 year ago
The term is "tradesmen", not "tradespeople".
btw, half the people you're showing are *craftsmen*, not tradesmen.
Hiraghm 1 year ago
@Hiraghm actually...these are tradesmen if you wish to use the appropriate 18th century term. And to be even more specific...journeymen, journeywomen, apprentices, etc...
roxtaj 8 months ago
@roxtaj - no such thing as "journeywomen". It's a compound word, "journeyman".
And, as a 5th generation master mason, I'm quite familiar with the traditional titles for craftsmen.
Hiraghm 8 months ago
Cool
thatssoreika 1 year ago