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  • This pastor has NEVER even read the Preface of the KJV where the translators said their KJV translation wasn't PERFECT and that other translations would come along and improve their work. I don't even think he's read the 1611 KJV because if he had then he would know of the gothic style of font it was written in and that it listed TEXTUAL VARIANTS in the pages. Really the TR was created by a CATHOLIC, Erasmus who only used 6 manuscripts. The NASB and ESV have over 5,700 ancient greek mms!

  • @Akihito007 -They never said other translations would come and improve their work.

    They stated (see my video on this) that the intention of their work was that it would be the 'Principal translation, not to be justly excepted against' in other words, the final authority among all other translations.

    There were no 'textual variants' listed in the 1611, what was listed were alternative English translations to obscure Heb/Gr. words

  • @Akihito007 -As for Erasmus, 1st, as the leading scholar of his day, he had access to any Mss he wanted to see and it is clear he access to the incorrect readings of Vaticanus, which showed up in the Douey-Rheims, which he rejected.

    Moreover, the KJB was not based primarly on Erasmus, it was based on Beza's 5th edition. The NASB/ESV are based on corrupt readings from the Alexandrian text, which is supported by a few Mss based on their age.

  • Hey Keithtruth is God's atonement limited like the mormons, I mean morons, believe?

  • @klepto0oe I prefer to say the atonement is actual, there was an actual bearing of sin and payment made for a specific people, not a potential atonement for those who do something. Efficient for all, effective for the elect.

  • @KeithTruth I John 2:2, "He is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world ." The teaching of Calvinism on Limited Atonement contradicts the express statement of Scripture. First Timothy 2:5,6 says, " The man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all...." Calvin taught works salvation. The reformation was plagued with the remnants of Catholicism, perverting the simple plan of salvation (2nd Corinthians 11:3-4).

  • @KeithTruth I would agree with you. However if you are holding this view then you are not a 5 point Calvinist. I have no probelms with Calvinist and you have done some fine videos. I have mesaged you before but I know you're a busy man. If you get a chance watch some of my free Christian documentaries..newest one is on my page and it's tited "Brain-O II Plunger Included" (not movies that want your soul..that's my firends doc) I do the movies for free and since I am unemployed all for the Lord!

  • This is such a cult, I am sorry but only the originals are perfect. To say that anyone after the apostles can have infallibility when writing is a cult no better than the Roman Catholics.

  • @Onetruthrgv Saw your comment in my feed. Have to agree brother. This is like that guy in the beautiful mind seeing hidden codes in news papers which aren't really there. Crazy cult stuff indeed.

  • @KeithTruth Yeah I used to be a KJO and know just what type of hateful fruits it brings.

  • @Onetruthrgv tell me about it, my biggest critics online are KJO and they are very bad

  • @KeithTruth -Since you are a 5pt Calvinist, the fact that those who oppose you are KJO, is a sign the KJB is the ultimate standard against heresy.

  • @edwardpf123 Its more likely that Calvinism is Biblical and the KJV Only cult arminians are not of God and thus all consistently reject the doctrines of grace because satan wants to remove God from His sovereign throne.

  • @KeithTruth Calvin misused the english language to prove erroneous points. King James was a true Christian from his actions in life, to his faith. The KJV 1611 has been defended on the website Jesus-Is-Saviour so strongly I would love to see a person go through and debunk the huge archive. Calvins doctrine would have one believe salvation is only for special chosen Elect, While the BIble says salvation is for ALL who are willing to accept the gift and have faith in Jesus Christ

  • @KeithTruth The Bible Also says that God Draws ALL men not just select men, He does indeed elect men to serve him but we have the right and the ability to turn our back on God and say no as many do and have. That doesn't mean God ever gives up on you for his arms are always open and once a person chooses to be reborn in Christ they are then redeemed and cleansed from their sins and are no longer bound by the Law of sin and Judgement. This is the eternal Grace and mercy of our God.

  • @KeithTruth -Actually the KJB stands against both the errors of Calvinism and Arminianism, both of which reject clear scriptures for man's philosophical speculation.

  • @Onetruthrgv -The fruit it bears is the fruit of truth-the KJB is the perfect words of God in English.

  • @KeithTruth I would say that about The Calvnists, You are the cult since you deny the Biblically sound teachings of the KJV twist them on there head to make out you are self righteous...Since with the Calvinists you believe your special and chosen by God to be saved while others are chosen for Hell... As opposed to the Biblical version of that you are Chosen to SERVE god and then its your choice if you receive the gift of ETERNAL Salvation. God will decide the true Heretics.

  • @Onetruthrgv -And to say that God cannot perfectly preserve his words is heresy.

  • @edwardpf123 I never said that, I believe that God has that in the TR. My issue is not with the KJB (A very accurate translation but out dated) my Problem is with the Cult behavior and teachings of its followers.

  • @Onetruthrgv -You stated only the originals were written by infalliable men, the TR isn't the originals.

    And how is the KJB 'outdated', do you have a better Bible?

  • @edwardpf123 But I never said that the TR was infallible, I was just stating what my position is. The evidence is in support of the TR. King James while faithful is outdated, Back when I was a King James Onlyist I would have to stop an explain to the people what certain verses were saying since the words were too old for them, You as I am sure have the KJ companion from Chick yet if such a translation was still recognizable today then why the need for such a tool?

  • @Onetruthrgv -Words too old for them? The words may not be familiar to them at first, so the companion helps them keep reading. Are you telling me there are no unfamiliar words in the NIV or NASB?

    Why don't you give me an example of some verses that can't be understood in the KJB and we will compare them to how they are written in the NIV/NASB -if they are there.

  • @edwardpf123 Well hold on, I said for others. I used a KJV most of my christian life so it is no issue.

  • @Onetruthrgv -So, you had to start at one time, and you were able to read it.

    The excuse of archaic words is a red herring.

  • @edwardpf123 If I may ask you a question, Why don't the KJO make a updated translation? True a man who has a wide vocabulary may know these words but what about  for a homeless man who knows little english? If you feel that even changing a word with a synonym is heresy then I you see my point. As an ex KJO I remember holding the KJ bible to such high esteem that it became idolatry to my heart. (I personally think that is why God destroyed the originals to prevent that)

  • @Onetruthrgv -There is no reason to make an 'updated' translation. Many KJB have words in the margin.The KJB is held in high esteem because it is the exact translation of God's words into English.

    God didn't destroy the originals, the orginals were never together as a Bible. In fact, in the case of Pr.25, God didn't use the original for the Canon, He used a copy.

  • @edwardpf123 So is the KJ3 by JP green. As for the claim on Pr.25 I wouldn't know to comment on it. How do you know the KJV has the Words God wanted in a translation?

  • @Onetruthrgv -The KJ3 by JP Green-are you kidding? So what changes has he made in the KJB and why? Pr.25 it is proof that God isn't concerned about 'originals'.

    Prove that it doesn't.

  • @edwardpf123 1.) For one he changed 2 timothy 3:16 from "inspired" to God breathed which the KJV neglects to translate Theopneustos as God breathed.

  • @Onetruthrgv -'God breathed' isn't the correct translation of the Greek word into English.

    Every English translation from Wyclif to the KJB had 'inspired'

    The BAGD has inspired. It was always translated as 'inspired' in early lexicons.

    The NASB and NLT still retain 'inspired'.

    Even B.B. Warfield, who started this lie of 'God breathed' writes,

    The effort to explain away the Bible's witness to it's plenary INSPIRATION (P.119)

    The B. with divine life-'breathed into by God'(p.125)

  • @edwardpf123 On the website it has all the books of the bible translated.

  • @Onetruthrgv -WE NEED YOUR HELP TO KEEP THE KJ3 LITERAL BIBLE IN PRINT

    LOL! Yes, God is really in this translation!

  • @Onetruthrgv -And Greens work isn't the entire Bible it is only the NT.

  • @Onetruthrgv -Well then you ARE saying that God couldn't perfectly perserve His words.

  • @edwardpf123 It would be A red herring if I was using that to change our topic but I was pointing out my reason for using other translations and not why The King James Only position is false. As I stated edward, I think the KJV is the one a few of the most accurate translation but is by no means an inerant text to be called perfect since that definition implies that the KJ authors were inspired as the apostles were when they wrote.

  • @Onetruthrgv -No, a perfect translation means it is the EXACT English words that God wanted in the translation. And which other translation is better?

    Inspiration refers to LIFE not accuracy. You are confusing revelation with inspiration.

  • @edwardpf123 As I had said in my comment to Keith, I was once a KJ onlyist and know the reasoning behind the position . Although Cult behavior does not mean that KJ onlyist are not saved God fearing Christians. I as an ex-KJO know many who have this view and hold it because they bought into the illogical arguments of Ruckman and Riplinger. To go as far to say that we don't need the Greek or even as far as Riplinger to say lexicons are corrupt even though she has acts as one to prove her point

  • @Onetruthrgv I think most people need to take a step back from any cult ish and realise the history being that King James VI was a true Christian and commanded authority over a country as a true Christian, The Roman Papacy tried to kill him and William Tynsdale during the Gunpowder plot in the Houses of Parliament using Guy Fawkes, Clearly they failed which led to the AV KJV 1611. People trust it because Rome is Lucifers Beast While King James lived with grace & Loved Christ

  • @Onetruthrgv I would go as far as to say that God used King James to make sure the Word stayed alive and the AV KJV 1611 the old Pure Cambridge Edition is the only Book which does not attack the deity of Jesus Christ and this is clearly proven on the internet if you study it, but more importantly for me is the fact the AV KJV is the only book other than the Geneva bible which the Jesuits/Roman Papacy did not manipulate or get there hands on. Adding works to the AV KJV = Hell bound.

  • @Onetruthrgv -Actually that is very logical, given the premise of the KJO viewpoint.

    Why do you need the Greek if you have a perfect English translation?

  • @edwardpf123 Well first define perfect and as well tell me why that standard should be considered the objective standard for a translation. You see I use to believe the lie that the NIV purposely took out verses until I realized something that none of the KJO material was informing me of, The Niv is not Formal equivalency and never claimed to be rather it is Dynamic equivalence and has good reason, Edward if the NIV is evil for changing God's word then any Pastor who paraphrases a verse is evil

  • @Onetruthrgv -Why pick on the NIV, the NASB, (which claims to be formal equivalence) leaves out the same verses. The issue is what Greek text they use.

    As a TR guy, I would expect you to know that the difference between the two different text types and the omissions in the Nestle/Alland, UBS texts.

    A pastor while preaching can 'paraphrase' a verse, he can't say that the verse doesn't belong in the Bible. or say what he has said IS scripture.

  • @edwardpf123 Well my point was just some of the thing KJO material leaves out in their propaganda material. I use the NASB only when my opponent is using the NASB in debate.

  • @edwardpf123 Me saying "Jesus died for the world" is not what the text says word for word but is still a true statement and biblical yet I am not being ungodly for doing so.

  • @Onetruthrgv -As for the Lexicons, they are corrupted as even their own scholars admited that, see the work, Biblical Greek Language and Lexicography

  • at first I thought oh no this woman is too good to be true and probably unbiblically sound and a new age minister as all women ministers are BUT that is not the case and Gail even pays full respect to GODs word even after the minister makes a freudian slip and asks her to come and preach. I have to say I have full respect for this woman and no doubt that this is a divine message from a believer lead by the lord and thank you Gail as this is going to change my life after 24yrs as a christian.

  • Isa 66:5 ¶ Hear the word of the LORD, ye that tremble at his word; Your brethren that hated you, that cast you out for my name's sake, said, Let the LORD be glorified: but he shall appear to your joy, and they shall be ashamed.

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