Personally, I love Punk as much as I love Prog or most other genres. I love the musicianship or lack thereof in any genre, as long as the heart is there to try and make something stand out. I feel that I get just as much out of hearing a 2 minute Ramones song, a 20 minute Yes epic, a J.S. Bach Cantata, Miles Davis, Beck, The Beatles, Black Flag, and so on. I'm not a snob, an elitist or a punk, I'm just a fan of music. Plain and simple.
Mont Campbell is right on the money when he describes ELP's degeneration into wanky indulgences. It's a joy to hear him talk, so eloquent and such a deep British voice to boot! He was a real progressive, he wasn't a superstar wannabe at all unlike Emerson turned out to be.
I got to agree with the opinion that prog went to complete shit after 74/75. A few gems but all in all, too self-indulgent for its own good. And then it spawned rubbish like Dream Theater.
Also, people knocking punk in these comments have no idea whatsoever. Listen to Television's Marquee Moon, to name one album, and you'll realise punk isn't all angry, simple, talentless music.
@21stCSchizoidName I agree that real prog had died in the 70's, but still today, there are a lot of undergrounds band that are completely amazing!The most known are Anglagard (90's) and even Wobbler (00's) Those are masters!
Yep, those were the 'gems' I mentioned. Especially Anglagard can hold a candle to some of the 70s bands. Really great stuff. I'd probably think they were from the 70s had I not known better.
Oh, these whinging almost-weres! Yes, ELP and Floyd put on life-celebrating shows! They were huge circus productions- you got your money's worth and then some! I remember those shows as exciting events, as the bands putting out every bit of what they had- talent, money, gizmos, to give us amazing memories. God bless the Prog Gods!
Prog bands were "punk" in their own right, just as the opposite end of the spectrum. Both prog and punk are about indulgence. Prog indulges in brainy compositions, subject matter and musicianship. Punk indulges in anger, frustration and raw energy. Bands like King Crimson gave just as big a middle finger to the pop industry as the Stooges or Black Flag ever did.
Punk is just the embodiment of impatience and frustration, punk artists are rebels without causes and 99% of the time seem to be angry just for the sake of being angry, and the other 1% is because their not good enough to pull off the complication of Progressive Rock.
@Brianthesuperdog And as far as him not being rock star; Collins is one of only three recording artists (along with Paul McCartney and Michael Jackson) who have sold over 100 million albums worldwide both as solo artists and (separately) as principal members of a band.
@Brianthesuperdog It's the kind of shit you're spewing that he's had to put up with for a long time now! He has every right to feel sore towards fans, many have treated him like a villain or something. He is some kind of scapegoat for whiny little cunts such as yourself, for whatever reason.
@LucianoGallagher : Here, here! Let's face it, the majority are just too thick, stupid, unintelligent, uneducated (is that enough?) to appreciate prog rock. They are anti-learning, anti-culture and anti-knowledge. They vote Labour and they go through life getting pissed, fat, have dozens of thug-like kids who grow up just like mum & dad. Just what the record companies like - someone to pedal their crappy wares to. Watch the film "Idiocracy" to see how it turns out.
The usual rants about 'punk' blowing away the 'excesses', of 'prog' .......
in fact, Jon Lydon is a huge Van der Graaf Generator fan - the song 'Nadir's Big Chance' being his self-confessed blueprint for the entire 'punk' genre....
Possibly this comment would seem out of place over here. But what many people don't realise is the fact that music played in different time signatures and using 20 chords is immaterial. There is nothing wrong in doing in that and it is indeed good to have some adventure in music but usually that is done to show-off rather than the actual sensibilities required in a song.
Punk in many ways was a reflection of that resentment. Yet, it had a scope for making artistic statements through music.
metalheadnick555. Politics and economy. Even ELO had to drop the orchestra because of the cost of touring with all the personnel and instrumentation. Also, prog musicians were private schooled "elitists" in a culture growing angry with what the upper class was doing. Punk was poor mans music that sprang from the squatters rights and anarchist movements of the 1970's depression. Punk was cheap and minimalist for the record companies, too.
@InfidelAntichristian Well, I think ithe thing a lot of prog fans- of which I am one, amongst other genres- overlook is the fact that POST-punk, stuff that came afterwards, arguably WAS a continuation of prog, albeit with the vim and vigour of punk driving the music on. This Heat, Art Bears and Johnny Rotten's band after the Sex Pistols Public Image Ltd definitely had ties to prog bands like Van Der Graaf Generator and Co. In fact, This Heat and Art Bears even featured prog musicians.
@InfidelAntichristian Punk was the equivalent of psychedelia, which mostly consisted of garage bands with flowery cover art. The idea of punk, however, inspired musicians from across the world to take music to places it hadn't been before- the same thing that happened with psychedelia (which gave us electronic music, prog, tropicalia etc.). To outright dismiss punk and all the wonderful post-punk that came out in its wake, is more retrogressive than the bands some of you guys rail against.
ironically no interview with keith emerson. the most musically intense and skilled musician of the british prog era. I always felt since Yes had trouble keeping keyboard players, that keith was their natural choice. he's much better than wakeman, moraz, or kaye. he was too out of control though, his abilities would have trumped Howe and Squire too much. I think the original King Crimson line-up with lake & giles was coolest, just because yes was better with bruford.
ELP would goover the top sometimes IMHO, YES's indulgent period was right on target for me. Genesis chilled out yet made it work. no mention of the great Gentle Giant but there transition into commercialism was a bad attempt, sadly
Man! I wish someone could get their hands on the entire episode of "Aquarius" with the entire segment with Carl Palmer, and post it! We just cannot get enough on this unbelievable drum set, and magnificent drummer/percussionist, Carl Palmer!
Topographic Oceans, one of the greatest albums ever recorded.
andrewnorris2 2 months ago
Ironically the best punk came around the point when bands either started becoming arty (post punk) or seriously improving as musicians (hardcore).
kingboobs20 3 months ago
@kingboobs20 When punk became progressive?
DeutscheGrammophon 2 months ago
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kingboobs20 3 months ago
cough cough - I love me some punk and prog.
Clash 'n Buzzcocks for Saturday nite, Genesis and Traffic on Sunday.
phnuggle 3 months ago 2
Personally, I love Punk as much as I love Prog or most other genres. I love the musicianship or lack thereof in any genre, as long as the heart is there to try and make something stand out. I feel that I get just as much out of hearing a 2 minute Ramones song, a 20 minute Yes epic, a J.S. Bach Cantata, Miles Davis, Beck, The Beatles, Black Flag, and so on. I'm not a snob, an elitist or a punk, I'm just a fan of music. Plain and simple.
Mikemaniax 5 months ago 2
@Mikemaniax Truly told. I concur. Very well put.
zismoura 1 month ago
What's the song being played during the part about Topographic Oceans?
musicmovie240 5 months ago
Punk was sort of the end of any quality in pop/rock.
anonymusum 7 months ago
punk was great
IanSchultz13 8 months ago
Mont Campbell is right on the money when he describes ELP's degeneration into wanky indulgences. It's a joy to hear him talk, so eloquent and such a deep British voice to boot! He was a real progressive, he wasn't a superstar wannabe at all unlike Emerson turned out to be.
stereom 10 months ago
I got to agree with the opinion that prog went to complete shit after 74/75. A few gems but all in all, too self-indulgent for its own good. And then it spawned rubbish like Dream Theater.
Also, people knocking punk in these comments have no idea whatsoever. Listen to Television's Marquee Moon, to name one album, and you'll realise punk isn't all angry, simple, talentless music.
21stCSchizoidName 1 year ago
@21stCSchizoidName I agree that real prog had died in the 70's, but still today, there are a lot of undergrounds band that are completely amazing!The most known are Anglagard (90's) and even Wobbler (00's) Those are masters!
Pouliot27 4 months ago
@Pouliot27
Yep, those were the 'gems' I mentioned. Especially Anglagard can hold a candle to some of the 70s bands. Really great stuff. I'd probably think they were from the 70s had I not known better.
21stCSchizoidName 4 months ago
Oh, these whinging almost-weres! Yes, ELP and Floyd put on life-celebrating shows! They were huge circus productions- you got your money's worth and then some! I remember those shows as exciting events, as the bands putting out every bit of what they had- talent, money, gizmos, to give us amazing memories. God bless the Prog Gods!
annikee59 1 year ago
21st Century Schizoid man I feel has a lot more energy and powerful and rage and loudness than the whole genre of punk I feel
elviss 1 year ago 3
Prog bands were "punk" in their own right, just as the opposite end of the spectrum. Both prog and punk are about indulgence. Prog indulges in brainy compositions, subject matter and musicianship. Punk indulges in anger, frustration and raw energy. Bands like King Crimson gave just as big a middle finger to the pop industry as the Stooges or Black Flag ever did.
TheGreaterGood80 1 year ago 5
Punk is just the embodiment of impatience and frustration, punk artists are rebels without causes and 99% of the time seem to be angry just for the sake of being angry, and the other 1% is because their not good enough to pull off the complication of Progressive Rock.
Adamboms 1 year ago 2
@Brianthesuperdog And as far as him not being rock star; Collins is one of only three recording artists (along with Paul McCartney and Michael Jackson) who have sold over 100 million albums worldwide both as solo artists and (separately) as principal members of a band.
So what the fuck have YOU done with your life?
BitterBosh 1 year ago
@Brianthesuperdog It's the kind of shit you're spewing that he's had to put up with for a long time now! He has every right to feel sore towards fans, many have treated him like a villain or something. He is some kind of scapegoat for whiny little cunts such as yourself, for whatever reason.
BitterBosh 1 year ago 3
Punk: ''A Big explossion of Resentment''. How Joe Strummer (The Clash) says:
''I felt so frustrated to try to play like Jeff Beck''..
Punk is Rock for frustrated artist. .is mediocrity and poorness
funkberto 1 year ago 3
@funkberto I agree!
PaulThe123 1 year ago
Overblown,pretencious,over the top and thoroughly pompous...it is prog rock in it's best...it's good isn't it?
Hrci04 1 year ago
Trick of the Tail is a such a great record...
felsner1 1 year ago
@felsner1 with wind and wuthering could be a double...wish that was with their first box set...
Hrci04 1 year ago
@felsner1 damn good record...
PeterMayer 8 months ago
Prog became to specialised and the bands that changed with the times survived.
The others perished ,they pushed the genre to the hilt,there was nowhere else to go.
This happens in many genre's like thrash ,jazz ,synth pop,hardcore even folk.
Music evolves just like life..
But wouldn't it great if we had musicians today who would experiment and change music like they did..
The internet will cause this in the future as long as they can find some decent dope.
Yehbytheway 1 year ago
Punk is shit
Prog rules!! Long live to the elitist, upper class music!!!
LucianoGallagher 1 year ago 19
@LucianoGallagher : Here, here! Let's face it, the majority are just too thick, stupid, unintelligent, uneducated (is that enough?) to appreciate prog rock. They are anti-learning, anti-culture and anti-knowledge. They vote Labour and they go through life getting pissed, fat, have dozens of thug-like kids who grow up just like mum & dad. Just what the record companies like - someone to pedal their crappy wares to. Watch the film "Idiocracy" to see how it turns out.
Gruntol5 1 year ago
@LucianoGallagher ..........fu?
doc998 10 months ago
@LucianoGallagher That's odd, because a lot of punk ended up like "upper class" music. Especially post-punk like Pere ubu and tuxedo moon.
heroiniskindacool 3 months ago
what kind of guitar is that Peter Gabriel is holding at 8:09?
Waldenpondband 1 year ago
@Waldenpondband
danelectro
luthierjustin1 1 year ago
The usual rants about 'punk' blowing away the 'excesses', of 'prog' .......
in fact, Jon Lydon is a huge Van der Graaf Generator fan - the song 'Nadir's Big Chance' being his self-confessed blueprint for the entire 'punk' genre....
profbarkingmad 1 year ago 2
Possibly this comment would seem out of place over here. But what many people don't realise is the fact that music played in different time signatures and using 20 chords is immaterial. There is nothing wrong in doing in that and it is indeed good to have some adventure in music but usually that is done to show-off rather than the actual sensibilities required in a song.
Punk in many ways was a reflection of that resentment. Yet, it had a scope for making artistic statements through music.
ajittffcure 1 year ago
haha Keith's shadow at 6:47 has a big cock.
12eps12months 1 year ago
I can understand going back to the basics from the indulgence of prog, but why did it have to be punk?
metalheadnick555 2 years ago 15
metalheadnick555. Politics and economy. Even ELO had to drop the orchestra because of the cost of touring with all the personnel and instrumentation. Also, prog musicians were private schooled "elitists" in a culture growing angry with what the upper class was doing. Punk was poor mans music that sprang from the squatters rights and anarchist movements of the 1970's depression. Punk was cheap and minimalist for the record companies, too.
p717 1 year ago
I understand, and it makes sense... I was more lamenting how crappy (in my opinion) punk is... rereading my statement, I didn't make that quite clear
metalheadnick555 1 year ago 2
@metalheadnick555
No problem. I'm usually drunk when I post, so I can come off
as condescending even when I'm not deliberately trolling.
Either way, I was kinda punk as a teenager. American culture
didn't seem to be so "scene specific". I dressed mod, listened
to prog, pronk, experimental arthouse stuff that gave birth to
industrial, darkwave and all that crap. But true monotone "punk"
I never got into.
p717 1 year ago
@metalheadnick555 Because it had to be.
anothertheletter 1 year ago
I wonder if Palmer still has that kit. LOL
ForceMaximus84 2 years ago
@ForceMaximus84 Supposedly he sold it to...get this...Ringo Starr.
spitfire71068 1 year ago
To say that Emerson is better than Wakeman or vice verca is a joke.
They are both keyboard heroes with their own styles that fit perfectly within their own formats.
To say one is better than the other is childish.
Is a ford better than a Chevy, or is a Chevy better than a Ford?
Complete nonsense.
bluewater410 2 years ago 2
HAHAHAHAHA as if the sex pistols were actually talented enough to construct a prog rock song.
They did influence me more as a look what we can get away with act but I really think they only played 3 chords cause 4 was too difficult for them.
InfidelAntichristian 2 years ago
@InfidelAntichristian Well, I think ithe thing a lot of prog fans- of which I am one, amongst other genres- overlook is the fact that POST-punk, stuff that came afterwards, arguably WAS a continuation of prog, albeit with the vim and vigour of punk driving the music on. This Heat, Art Bears and Johnny Rotten's band after the Sex Pistols Public Image Ltd definitely had ties to prog bands like Van Der Graaf Generator and Co. In fact, This Heat and Art Bears even featured prog musicians.
simulation2k 1 year ago
@InfidelAntichristian Punk was the equivalent of psychedelia, which mostly consisted of garage bands with flowery cover art. The idea of punk, however, inspired musicians from across the world to take music to places it hadn't been before- the same thing that happened with psychedelia (which gave us electronic music, prog, tropicalia etc.). To outright dismiss punk and all the wonderful post-punk that came out in its wake, is more retrogressive than the bands some of you guys rail against.
simulation2k 1 year ago
ironically no interview with keith emerson. the most musically intense and skilled musician of the british prog era. I always felt since Yes had trouble keeping keyboard players, that keith was their natural choice. he's much better than wakeman, moraz, or kaye. he was too out of control though, his abilities would have trumped Howe and Squire too much. I think the original King Crimson line-up with lake & giles was coolest, just because yes was better with bruford.
The Nice was very cool! ?
drunksingsheep 2 years ago
ELP would goover the top sometimes IMHO, YES's indulgent period was right on target for me. Genesis chilled out yet made it work. no mention of the great Gentle Giant but there transition into commercialism was a bad attempt, sadly
wigginsdesign 2 years ago 2
overwhelming drum "temple".. But look at Carl Palmers haircut today: *ugh!* he looks like somebody from the army :P
namaste91 2 years ago
1:25 He's so proud of himself.
zbox98 2 years ago
Man! I wish someone could get their hands on the entire episode of "Aquarius" with the entire segment with Carl Palmer, and post it! We just cannot get enough on this unbelievable drum set, and magnificent drummer/percussionist, Carl Palmer!
audiophile55 2 years ago
Dude, I know... I play drums myself, and Palmer is one my my influences.
future4zinc 2 years ago 2