Only a REAL FOOL would claim there is no God! Man creates awesome skyscrapers, fake hearts, tunnels, vehicles etc.. If we are very imperfect then what more can God create THE UNIVERSE! You must accept Jesus Christ as your Savior to receive eternal rest in heaven! Simple! John 3:16 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him! Repent & accept Jesus Christ! Jesus Christ or HELL?!? Visit cbn. com
Hear what God of Israel YAHUSHUA-YAHUWAH (Son and Father are ONE) saying to our generation by His chosen prophets: Trumpetcallofgodonline. com ; Letter called "Purify Your Faith, and Come to the Father as It is Written": EXCERPT: "Only in the Bible and through these very Letters, of which I have given to My prophet of the end of this age, shall you find Him and know Him."
Funfact: the X is actually a Greek letter Chi, which was an abreviation for Χριστός (Christos), the Greek word for messiah. When you say Jesus Christ, you can just say Jesus X. Similarly, X-mas is pronounced "Chi-mas"
@UceGotDaJuice Do you mean..... "The Illuminati are winning. You atheists are too ignorant."? I would like to suggest that you proof read your comments so YOU don't sound ignorant.
The commercialism of christmas realy bothers me. I can't enjoy it anymore than I enjoy the glee of a greedy non-thinking agnostic/atheist/theist. It hurts my heart to see greed and envy be such a profane part of our humanity.
@bill23138 im getting the book, the deluded troll. BTW the exchange of gifts buddy,I suggest you do your research first before you make a further fool of yourself. merry xmyth.
@bill23138 dont you mean a hypocrite? look man, the exchange of gifts at the soltice season has got nothing to do with the birth of an imaginary friend. check out the exchange of gifts before the imaginary friend came about. do a search, or do as you all do, bury your head in the sand.so its deny deny deny, or perhaps you should seek out the truth. surf the net man,the truth is out there.
@bill23138 someones losing track of their stupid posts. your on repeat son. to remind you. the pagen celebration of the winter soltice was highjacked by the self decieving fools ,yup,the christians. owned yet again.
@bill23138 i take it your older than 52 then. that would explain your delusion. it would be hard for an old man like yourself to give up the insurance policy on the supposed afterlife. i was hoping you were a young thing. boooooooo
@bill23138 [village people] macho macho man, he wants to be a macho man. LMFAO.what a nobend.only a christian could come out with such a comment. il bet you love to masterbate in front of the mirror as well. still , keep it coming. oopsy. lol
Mmm...that old guy is so full of wisdom. I love the "shit your pants comment." He probably validated his whole lukewarm life in that comment. The host is also great. He's so confident and that's what I look for in my sensationalism.
In finnish christmas is called joulu. The cool thing about the word is that it has no relation to chistrianity at all. The word comes probably from sweadish word jul (being their word for christmas) which again is a modern word from old viking language meaning a wheel or the sun. Some have also suggested that the word joulu comes from sweadish word öl (meaning beer) :P
I keep hearing about this "X is the first letter of the Greek spelling of Christ, but I'd never heard that before this year.
As far as I was told, many years ago, the X in Xmas comes from the Latin letter Christ which looks like a P and an X overlayed, which was omited at the begining of the printing press era when the latin alphabet was properly formalised.
@leeham991 It is different for different people. For me, Christmas brings back memories of a happy, secure childhood. Not everyone was fortunate enough I guess to have an innocent, back to nature, fairytale childhood, as I did. I certainly wouldn't begrudge anyone who was fortunate enough to have pleasant memories from Christmas. The colorful lights, the smell of a freshly cut fir tree. Gifts wrapped and placed under the tree. Family gatherings with good food and sweets prepared. What is not to
@JuzBecause The 'they-think-the-universe-is-random' proposition is disingenuous to say the least. I guess that's why opponents use it. For starters, 'random' is not the opposite of 'preordained'. Secondly, that definition of 'random' is in the colloquial sense, and it is not the definition used in Science. The same slight of hand is used in the misuse of the term 'theory', in favour of the colloquial rather than the Scientific.These are the weapons of the propagandists.
It's ironic that it's the renaming of the Christmas Tree which is so often declared by fundamentalist Christians as evidence of 'Christ' being removed from the 'Xmas' equation; YET the Christmas Tree, along with Santa, are entirely pagan and origin and exist today in Christmas tradition simply because of early Christian dominion over pre-existing religious tradition. A Christian truly interesting in 'taking back Xmas' would be overjoyed that the Tree no longer bears 'His' name.
@MountainPeak11 Just the 'red white and jolly' idea. Santa's myth is complex and far reaching, even to the figure of the Green Man. Association with re/birth is very clear, and some early art even has him riding a goat, which was a fertility symbol later demonised by Christianity. In fact, the Green Man was used as a template for the Devil by some early converted Christians. What Christians call 'Christmas' is 'Christ's Mass' in name only. This association is entirely fabricated.
@JuzBecause I think you're confusing Sweden with Switzerland. I'm an atheist, but non religious people don't know their world geography. How's that for boring and narrow-minded?
No offense Seth but it has been known for awhile that the city Christ was said to be born in wasn't functioning around his supposed birth, not mention the census that didn't take place during his supposed birth either.
@HybridD91 And Herod had been dead for at least 4 years before the purported year of Jesus' birth. Anyway, not everybody knows these things. That's why we as humans write things down or record them. The important thing is KNOWING but when and how one got to that point is irrelevant.
@TheImpeacher I can't stand people like you. You preach peace and love while telling us to get fucked, that is a horrible fallacy. You people are idiots.
@TheImpeacher Fuck an atheist? Well, sure! If a few good Christian women want a rocking good time, I'd be glad to show them one! Make a few of them nice Catholic college girls and it's a deal.
@JuzBecause "atheists are so boring and narrow-minded." Ah yes, herp derp, and you are so interesting. Let's see........lets pick ONE field: music: Berlioz, Boulez, Bartok, Grainger, Janacek, Prokofiev, Ravel, Shostakovich, Varese, Wexler, Zappa, Rimsky-Korsakov, Busoni, just off the top of my head. Yeah, atheists are so boring, except they have made some of the most major contributions in all of the artistic fields. Go back to kindergarten you simpleton.
@TheGlassDot Yup. Prokofiev died only 50 minutes before Stalin. Prokofiev's funeral was non-religious, but didn't draw much attention because Stalin's funeral was the same day.
Seth- w.r.t. the "children in Africa" comment, I was reminded how, yesterday, my 14yo -atheist- daughter made me proud once again by pointing out when a whiny person is expressing a mere "1st World Problem". That's the latest meme among her peer group. Pass it on.
It does atheism a disservice believing in the Jesus myth. It's no better than the conspiracy theorists. It is believed because it is wanted to be believed rather than actual evidence. All the 'this couldn't have happened because...' is nonsense because what we know about the time is very scant.
Jesus hasn't been proved and he is obviously a legendary figure but lets not go for this conspiracy theory nonsense.
What Kristian from Sweden forgot to mention was that our word for Christmas is Jul. And the German word is Weinacht. I'm sure other languages have other names too. And Sweden and Germany were Christian nation until rather recently (Sweden as late as 2000). So the name of the holiday didn't even reflect Jesus at all in Christian nations. In Sweden, no one says happy holidays, everyone says God Jul, which means Merry Christmas.
The Hebrews would not have been keen on being counted after the plague God sent on Jerusalem after He inspired David to do a census (2 Samuel 24). The purpose of a Roman census would be for tax assessment, so it would make no sense for people to travel to their ancestral home as the Romans would want to tax an area on its population at the time. If Joseph and Mary traveled because of the census, it would have been to avoid being counted - an act of civil disobedience.
Seth, the logic of the "city of Nazareth" is pretty faulty. The man says that the fact that there was no Nazareth meant that there was no Jesus of Nazareth. However, the lack of a Nazareth does not mean there was no Jesus. Let me say I am an atheist and do not believe in the existence of Jesus, but let's be honest. Even the man said that Mark originally referred to Jesus as the "Nazarene," not "of Nazareth." If so, this does not prove that Jesus never existed, just that Nazareth never did.
@Stallkyr That's what I thought as well. I'm a fellow-skeptic, but, the notion that Jesus never existed does seem a bit off-the-wall. That said, if I'm wrong then I'm wrong.
@andyfromsheldon "But surely proving his existence is a must for both the theologian and the historian?"
That would be the first step but as I said, proving his existence is less important than proving his divinity.
Throughout history hundreds of thousands of people have sacrificed their lives for others. What set Jesus apart was the so called resurrection and ascension to heaven.
@andyfromsheldon Well, there may well have been, as Matt Dillahunty says, an itinerant rabbi named Joshua who went around preaching, and he may have been the source of the legend. However, I am extremely skeptical of whether there really was a Jesus. Having said that, the last statement made by that guy that "No Nazareth means no Jesus of Nazareth means no Jesus" is simply faulty logic. I don't think there was a Jesus either, but this doesn't prove it. That's my only point.
@Stallkyr Also, I don't think 'No Nazareth, No Jesus, No Shit!' would work as a bumper sticker. It's meaning would be lost on pretty much everyone, regardless of their world view.
I always assumed Jesus was simply a progressive thinking rabbi who introduced radical ideas (possibly from other religions such as Buddhism) into Judaism and thus caused unrest amongst the Jews. That what history texts (rather than religious texts) seem to point towards.
@andyfromsheldon Hmm. I've never seen any legitimate contemporary historical account of Jesus anywhere. Are you saying that historical textx exist which show Jesus as having existed? That these texts are contemporary accounts, and that they are legitimate historical documents? The problem with the ones I've seen is that they either aren't contemporary or are forgeries.
In the interest of accuracy, the immaculate conception does not refer to Mary getting pregnant without taking the whole thing. It is the Roman Catholic dogma that Mary was conceived without original sin. ("Immaculate" means "without stain.")
Also, considering that the virgin birth story hadn't yet been invented when _Mark_ was written (as well as the wider Mediterranean cultural "need" for gods to be born of virgins), I don't see the story as a cover for adultery.
I think of that old song when I hear about the three kings, too! My experience goes a step further because, for some reason, the California Raisins sing it in my head! lol
Actually i have a really good story for this :) Hi I'm 14 and I'm an Atheist. I officially became an Atheist sometime last year. I told my best friend about this soon after. She didn't take it too well. She REALLY tried to convert me by reading me her cartoonized biblical stories, i of course told her to stop and leave me alone like the annoyed 13 year old i was. and then christmas came around. She texted me 2 days before christmas asking if i was gonna celebrate, i told her yes.
@RoniValentine She texted back with "why? you don't believe in god or jesus you have no right to, you just want presents because your selfish". i finished talking to her by saying "wow, thanks for ruining MY christmas". i didn't talk to her for about a month but she kept calling me so i eventually let her apologize, i still talk to her now but she hasn't disrespected my beliefs since :)
I'm a definite non-Christian, but I must say, this notion that Jesus never existed is a bit surprising. I'd be interested in any information people could share with me on this.
@andyfromsheldon Well, it's not that there's evidence that he didn't exist, just that the evidence that he did is not convincing enough to say with any reasonable amount of certainty. Christopher Hitchens gave a very good argument for someone of that name being a basis of the myth simply because of how blatantly made-up some of the circumstances were in making him fit into the old testament prophecy.
I'm trying to find the specific video I saw on youtube, but I can't.
@Phoboskomboa I agree that a lot that's said about Jesus in the Bible is fictitious, but the reason this notion has made me raise an eyebrow is because most historians (not just Christian ones) tend to agree he existed and the debate has been more about whether he was the Messiah or a progressive thinking Rabbi or a Buddhist or a lunatic etc. rather than whether or not he existed. I appreciate that popular agreement is not necessarily true, but still, this does feel a bit far-fetched.
@andyfromsheldon They don't so much agree that he existed as ASSume that he existed. Actual evidence of his existence is unknown. The historical "evidence" that apologists present (check them out!) are all hearsay, forgeries, or proof that *Christians* (not Jesus) existed. The gospels are so clearly embellished hearsay and midrash that it's impossible to say whether or not they were based on a real person.
You know, worrying about the 'Christ' in Christmas is about like worrying about the Saturn, Sun, and Moon in Saturday to Monday, & the Tyr (Tiu), Wotan (Woden, Odin), Thor, and Frigga in Tuesday through Friday. When someone insists you must "Put the Christ back in Christmas!!!", then just tell them "Sure, and let's be sure to put the Thor back in Thursday too!" ☺
I still don't understand how real bible-banging christians never actually bothered to read the thing. I mean, I never did when I believed, but I was also a pretty lax christian (I'll cop to any 'you weren't a true christian' claims, because it's not THAT untrue).
But how can people think that this book is the word of the creator of the universe, and that it's the most important thing ever written... and not freakin' read it? It's one of the most confusing christian mental dissonances.
@Sines314 most christains cant understand it. thats why they dont. i asked my mom if she ever did and she said she tried to but she couldnt understand the writing style so she just goes to church and listens to the priest bc she thinks that they understand it so she can just listen to him and she will understand it. Im sure thats how most do it. they cant understand reading it so they go to church to understand it and they just give example and small snipping of it IE picking and choosing.
@Sines314 That's *exactly* how it is! I left RCC July 2010; prior to that, I NEVER read scripture...and I was the choir leader for 9 freakin' years! I had to put the music together for Mass every Sunday. I had no idea of the hypocrisy...until I started reading about climate change, which led me to asking questions about where the RCC stands on it, which accidentally led me to more exposure to the paedophilia scandal, which led me out of RCC, which lead me out of religion, which led me to atheism
I had a really poor family, and whatever we got for Christmas we really loved it as children. Watching someone else open a gift or card was the best part.
I'm an atheist today, kinda allways been, but as a child I believed so strongly in Santa Claus, it's kind of scary! One christmas night (I was 3 years old i think) I even had an full blown hallucination, actually seeing Santa get in to his slade in our backyard, waving, and then flying away! I remeber it vaguely, and my parants tell me that I kept asking them "Can't you see him?! He is right THERE!" pointing out the window! The mind is powerfull and scary...
My family and I get a good 2 week vacation in winter, this is the only time when we can get toguether and party plus this is the only time of the year when stores sell whole turkeys, I love turkey, I love to bake too, and it is "politically correct" to gain 2 kilos of extra weight around this time
So I will continue to celebrate saturnalia, yule, christmas, the winter solstice or whatever crazy holiday people come up with as long as I have happiness, family time, and tasty food
yeah my parents did that to me 2 , santa was never a big part i always knew he wasn't real ..i don't think it so to protect the jesus belief my parents didn't care to play it up since it wasn't really cultural
In Bulgaria we call it "Koleda', which has to do with the Roman "Kalendae" and with the word for "wheels" (like in the chariot of the god of the Sun).
@Eminemno1fan As far as i know that is because that the vikings had Jól where they drank, ate and sang. it was also in December and by adopting the holiday the Christians made it a lot easier for the old vikings to convert to Christianity
Cristmas can be a very lonely time for those who live alone and don't have too many friends. They become more isolated. Suicides go up, as there is nothing to do, nowhere to go, and everyone else so merry.
7th level of hell? Seth, you should know better than that. The 7th circle has the river of boiling blood and fire, and the desert of burning sand and burning flakes raining down.
Since my children are all grown up (they don't have children yet, thank goodness,lol) and atheists like me we don't celebrate xmass much anymore but the best part of xmass day for me is if I work on the day, I get triple time in pay.
We say Yule (Jul) in Sweden to so we say God Jul (Good Yule) and not happy Christmas. Most of our traditions are pagan, even Saint Lucia. The only thing that is Christian about Saint Lucia is the name and the character not the celebration itself.
@Teekalin, @TheKab112, @inusword & @MaMastoast: The finnish version is Joulu, also an offshoot Yule. Though I must admit that with foreigners I occasionally resort to the World of Warcraft version of the Christmas greeting.
My hometown is trying to become recognized as a place of origin of the Christmas tree (not "green" in general, but specifically a spruce) given this country was one of the last Pagan hideouts (only Lithuania lasted longer, it was a Pagan state still well into XV cent), you can imagine how "Christian" origins of that tradition is. "Egle" (spruce) is also a popular name for girls in Lithuania, judging by tales Egle was also a queen of serpents. 8D
P.S. Unlike in English we don't have that "X-mas" problem, festivals name doesn't mention Christ at all.
Another local thing is, Christianity by many folks isn't seen as something peacefull, but as foreign religion that came with German invaders; look for "Northern crusades" on Wiki.
My problem with Christmas isn't the materialism or religious trappings. My problem is the cultural obsession with it. People have it ingrained in their minds that they HAVE to love Christmas and the HAVE to make it The Best Christmas Ever, or something is WRONG with them. It's turned a happy, joyful tradition into a grueling, miserable chore. Christmas would be a lot more special to me if I wasn't expected to spend half the year preparing for it.
It’s not the most environmentally friendly of holidays & I’m not a fan of the pressure to be happy some people feel they must place of others during this time.
That being said I like Christmas; I love the cold & snowy weather & the cold fresh air, the tree, the carols, the decorations even the nativity sets & I never get tired of the various A Christmas Carol interpretations. It doesn’t feel like a Christian holiday to me, it feels like an earthy Pagan holiday & it’s great.
I get why we have Christmas in the winter, it is cold, this pisses us off, let's get that off our minds, but why have thanks giving in winter also? Push thanksgiving back to September, because there is nothing more depressing than the end of summer.
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Only a REAL FOOL would claim there is no God! Man creates awesome skyscrapers, fake hearts, tunnels, vehicles etc.. If we are very imperfect then what more can God create THE UNIVERSE! You must accept Jesus Christ as your Savior to receive eternal rest in heaven! Simple! John 3:16 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him! Repent & accept Jesus Christ! Jesus Christ or HELL?!? Visit cbn. com
tigersforchrist 1 week ago
Lol, I saw an ad for joining the Baha'i faith before this video
nn101198 4 weeks ago in playlist Radio Podcasts
@nn101198 I had an advert to learn the Hebrew Bible in 12 weeks!
MountainPeak11 3 weeks ago
Kamloops? Cool! I've been wanting to visit interior BC and now I might have an excuse to. ^_^
Arikiel 1 month ago
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Hear what God of Israel YAHUSHUA-YAHUWAH (Son and Father are ONE) saying to our generation by His chosen prophets: Trumpetcallofgodonline. com ; Letter called "Purify Your Faith, and Come to the Father as It is Written": EXCERPT: "Only in the Bible and through these very Letters, of which I have given to My prophet of the end of this age, shall you find Him and know Him."
Watch:
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Regards.
TrumpetCallofGodLT 1 month ago
Funfact: the X is actually a Greek letter Chi, which was an abreviation for Χριστός (Christos), the Greek word for messiah. When you say Jesus Christ, you can just say Jesus X. Similarly, X-mas is pronounced "Chi-mas"
AliceEis 2 months ago
i put santa on a cross hanging upsidedown on the top of my tree. looks great.
kram83au 2 months ago
Ohhhhh
36:42 to 37:00
NunoEdge2 2 months ago
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NunoEdge2 2 months ago
@UceGotDaJuice Do you mean..... "The Illuminati are winning. You atheists are too ignorant."? I would like to suggest that you proof read your comments so YOU don't sound ignorant.
gorwell97 2 months ago
@gorwell97 That argument makes him ignorant anyway.
ShinoAburame37 2 months ago
The commercialism of christmas realy bothers me. I can't enjoy it anymore than I enjoy the glee of a greedy non-thinking agnostic/atheist/theist. It hurts my heart to see greed and envy be such a profane part of our humanity.
reanimated6 2 months ago
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(Ignore me, I have to eat now & need something to remember where I am when I come back)
Mirata87 2 months ago
You sound like Jack Nicholson. I like you.
Ihasflavors 2 months ago
what are u guys getting for christmas hahahahahahahaha losers
bill23138 2 months ago
@bill23138 im getting the book, the deluded troll. BTW the exchange of gifts buddy,I suggest you do your research first before you make a further fool of yourself. merry xmyth.
kram83au 2 months ago
@kram83au are u mad i got a bunch of presents and u got shit?
bill23138 2 months ago
@bill23138 i got a few gifts. whats your point man.
kram83au 2 months ago
@kram83au then you are a poser you celebrate on christs birthfay but dont belive in him u are a poser dude
bill23138 2 months ago
@bill23138 dont you mean a hypocrite? look man, the exchange of gifts at the soltice season has got nothing to do with the birth of an imaginary friend. check out the exchange of gifts before the imaginary friend came about. do a search, or do as you all do, bury your head in the sand.so its deny deny deny, or perhaps you should seek out the truth. surf the net man,the truth is out there.
kram83au 2 months ago
@kram83au lol ok dude ill get on that u poser ass bitch
bill23138 2 months ago
@bill23138 how very christian of you.
kram83au 2 months ago
@kram83au dude u celebrate christmas yet are an atheist ur a poser if u were a true atheist u wouldnt celebrate christs birthday
bill23138 2 months ago
@bill23138 someones losing track of their stupid posts. your on repeat son. to remind you. the pagen celebration of the winter soltice was highjacked by the self decieving fools ,yup,the christians. owned yet again.
kram83au 2 months ago
@kram83au lol you would call me a fool to my face chump
bill23138 2 months ago
@bill23138 . nah id just give yi a big hug. [wink]
kram83au 2 months ago
@kram83au no u wouldnt even look my way
bill23138 2 months ago
@bill23138 but i love transvestites.happy new year laddie
kram83au 1 month ago
@kram83au dont be jealous i got a better body than u kid
bill23138 1 month ago
@bill23138 i take it your older than 52 then. that would explain your delusion. it would be hard for an old man like yourself to give up the insurance policy on the supposed afterlife. i was hoping you were a young thing. boooooooo
kram83au 1 month ago
@kram83au i said dont be jealous kid
bill23138 1 month ago
@bill23138 oh aye, jealous of your delusion, where do i sign up for the skelp on the heid.lol
kram83au 1 month ago
@kram83au delusion? dude i get paid to flex my muscles do you?
bill23138 1 month ago
@bill23138 [village people] macho macho man, he wants to be a macho man. LMFAO.what a nobend.only a christian could come out with such a comment. il bet you love to masterbate in front of the mirror as well. still , keep it coming. oopsy. lol
kram83au 1 month ago
@kram83au like i said do u get paid to flex your musles? do you want to get paid for that? yea i think u do
bill23138 1 month ago
@bill23138 weirdo alert
kram83au 1 month ago
@bill23138 are u still jealous?
bill23138 1 month ago
Mmm...that old guy is so full of wisdom. I love the "shit your pants comment." He probably validated his whole lukewarm life in that comment. The host is also great. He's so confident and that's what I look for in my sensationalism.
thegreattesm 2 months ago
Amazing! WHY hasn't this been used in any of the great debates to D E S T R O Y any christian apology?
reanimated6 2 months ago
"Defecado en pantalones". Muy gracioso, very funny.
sabrinapaulas 2 months ago
In finnish christmas is called joulu. The cool thing about the word is that it has no relation to chistrianity at all. The word comes probably from sweadish word jul (being their word for christmas) which again is a modern word from old viking language meaning a wheel or the sun. Some have also suggested that the word joulu comes from sweadish word öl (meaning beer) :P
Wilssoni101 2 months ago
"it's been a pleasure bill thank you"
"a'ight"
OwenGTA 2 months ago
I keep hearing about this "X is the first letter of the Greek spelling of Christ, but I'd never heard that before this year.
As far as I was told, many years ago, the X in Xmas comes from the Latin letter Christ which looks like a P and an X overlayed, which was omited at the begining of the printing press era when the latin alphabet was properly formalised.
leeham991 2 months ago
I hate christmas, not because I'm an atheist, but because the whole season is a pain up the arse.
leeham991 2 months ago
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@leeham991 It is different for different people. For me, Christmas brings back memories of a happy, secure childhood. Not everyone was fortunate enough I guess to have an innocent, back to nature, fairytale childhood, as I did. I certainly wouldn't begrudge anyone who was fortunate enough to have pleasant memories from Christmas. The colorful lights, the smell of a freshly cut fir tree. Gifts wrapped and placed under the tree. Family gatherings with good food and sweets prepared. What is not to
1Makyo 2 months ago
@JuzBecause The 'they-think-the-universe-is-random' proposition is disingenuous to say the least. I guess that's why opponents use it. For starters, 'random' is not the opposite of 'preordained'. Secondly, that definition of 'random' is in the colloquial sense, and it is not the definition used in Science. The same slight of hand is used in the misuse of the term 'theory', in favour of the colloquial rather than the Scientific.These are the weapons of the propagandists.
UberNoodleX 2 months ago
It's ironic that it's the renaming of the Christmas Tree which is so often declared by fundamentalist Christians as evidence of 'Christ' being removed from the 'Xmas' equation; YET the Christmas Tree, along with Santa, are entirely pagan and origin and exist today in Christmas tradition simply because of early Christian dominion over pre-existing religious tradition. A Christian truly interesting in 'taking back Xmas' would be overjoyed that the Tree no longer bears 'His' name.
UberNoodleX 2 months ago 8
@UberNoodleX Santa was invented by coco cola. xD
MountainPeak11 3 weeks ago
@MountainPeak11 Just the 'red white and jolly' idea. Santa's myth is complex and far reaching, even to the figure of the Green Man. Association with re/birth is very clear, and some early art even has him riding a goat, which was a fertility symbol later demonised by Christianity. In fact, the Green Man was used as a template for the Devil by some early converted Christians. What Christians call 'Christmas' is 'Christ's Mass' in name only. This association is entirely fabricated.
UberNoodleX 3 weeks ago
Don't watch 180 movie, its not about Hitler it's a pro-life propaganda piece. See how christians openly try to deceive, shameful.
formicfarm 2 months ago
if ya want WATCH...."180"movie.....only 33 minutes long on youtube, i was shocked that some of the young adults didnt know who hitler was
10cannons 2 months ago
peace plz check rekkitten on youtube will b amazed peace
thelebirtyangels 2 months ago
@JuzBecause I think you're confusing Sweden with Switzerland. I'm an atheist, but non religious people don't know their world geography. How's that for boring and narrow-minded?
Stallkyr 2 months ago
No offense Seth but it has been known for awhile that the city Christ was said to be born in wasn't functioning around his supposed birth, not mention the census that didn't take place during his supposed birth either.
HybridD91 2 months ago
@HybridD91 And Herod had been dead for at least 4 years before the purported year of Jesus' birth. Anyway, not everybody knows these things. That's why we as humans write things down or record them. The important thing is KNOWING but when and how one got to that point is irrelevant.
UberNoodleX 2 months ago
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bigot [ˈbɪgət]
n
a person who is intolerant of any ideas other than his or her own, esp on religion, politics, or race
Atheist fits the definition perfectly.
ATHEISM = THE CHURCH OF BIGOTRY
1Makyo 2 months ago
@1Makyo Ignorant=you
Are you a bigot for not believing in Zeus?
moorg745 2 months ago
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@moorg745 I am not a bigot for not believing in Zeus. I never mention Zeus. Don't cast any aspersions on any who wish to believe in Zeus.
1Makyo 2 months ago
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@moorg745 Besides. It could be cool to believe in Zeus. I believe in "IT". zen.
1Makyo 2 months ago
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Every chance you get, screw over a slimey aheists, thes hate mongers need 6to be stopped. This Xmas, Piss on an Atheists. Fuck an atheist.
TheImpeacher 2 months ago
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@TheImpeacher You will only be understood when you learn to spell properly. Until then, it's unimportant gibberish. :)
MzHellinahandbasket 2 months ago in playlist Radio Podcasts
@TheImpeacher You, sir, are a hypocrite. Calling other people hate-mongers in such a hatefully-worded message.
Roxor128 2 months ago
@TheImpeacher Lol troll is lol.
TheBlueorigami 2 months ago in playlist More videos from TheThinkingAtheist
@TheImpeacher I can't stand people like you. You preach peace and love while telling us to get fucked, that is a horrible fallacy. You people are idiots.
KizerKat 2 months ago
@KizerKat When he acts that way, he means, 'get fucked with Jesus' love'. It's a long standing tradition which many misunderstand. ;)
UberNoodleX 2 months ago
@UberNoodleX So, what you're telling me is... hes a moron.
KizerKat 2 months ago
@KizerKat He's a moron, yes, but one who'd like to see us all fucked with Jesus' love. Can't fault him for that.
UberNoodleX 2 months ago
@UberNoodleX wow...lmfao
rastarigate 2 months ago
@TheImpeacher Fuck an atheist? Well, sure! If a few good Christian women want a rocking good time, I'd be glad to show them one! Make a few of them nice Catholic college girls and it's a deal.
UberNoodleX 2 months ago 18
@UberNoodleX ........this is why we can't have nice things. ;)
turbohusque 2 months ago
@turbohusque On the contrary my good sir. I think what I proposed would have been rather nice indeed!
UberNoodleX 2 months ago 2
@JuzBecause "atheists are so boring and narrow-minded." Ah yes, herp derp, and you are so interesting. Let's see........lets pick ONE field: music: Berlioz, Boulez, Bartok, Grainger, Janacek, Prokofiev, Ravel, Shostakovich, Varese, Wexler, Zappa, Rimsky-Korsakov, Busoni, just off the top of my head. Yeah, atheists are so boring, except they have made some of the most major contributions in all of the artistic fields. Go back to kindergarten you simpleton.
Aezelll 2 months ago 14
@Aezelll Prokofiev was an atheist?
I did not know that. Wow. Just kind of blew my mind there.
To add: Brian Eno, Richard Rodgers (as in Rodgers and Hammerstein, Richard Rodgers), and several members of Pink Floyd.
TheGlassDot 2 months ago
@TheGlassDot Yup. Prokofiev died only 50 minutes before Stalin. Prokofiev's funeral was non-religious, but didn't draw much attention because Stalin's funeral was the same day.
Aezelll 2 months ago
@Aezelll thank you for mentioning Zappa, he truly is my favorite of the list
Mindlessfroot 2 months ago in playlist Radio Podcasts
Seth- w.r.t. the "children in Africa" comment, I was reminded how, yesterday, my 14yo -atheist- daughter made me proud once again by pointing out when a whiny person is expressing a mere "1st World Problem". That's the latest meme among her peer group. Pass it on.
SalamaSond 2 months ago in playlist Radio Podcasts
the whole topic is a perfect analogy for the santa ....everybody can enjoy santa, although everbody knows there is no santa
Freigeist20789 2 months ago 2
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AngieCummingTV 2 months ago
And thou shall call him...Josh...
BillRoyMcBill 2 months ago 2
I put an Isaac Newton ornament on my tree because he was born on the 25th of December.
AstronomyGuru84 2 months ago 2
Teddy Ruxpin...
A guy I knew was sleeping over someone's house, in a child's bedroom, after watching one of those horror movies in the Leprechaun series.
He got woken up by a Teddy Ruxpin coming on in the middle of the night. He destroyed it in a fit of absolute terror lol.
bowlsallbroken 2 months ago
The first part of this is ridiculous.
It does atheism a disservice believing in the Jesus myth. It's no better than the conspiracy theorists. It is believed because it is wanted to be believed rather than actual evidence. All the 'this couldn't have happened because...' is nonsense because what we know about the time is very scant.
Jesus hasn't been proved and he is obviously a legendary figure but lets not go for this conspiracy theory nonsense.
mikdalton 2 months ago
A good show!
SuperSoylent2 2 months ago
How do I call into the podcasts? I'm sorry if this is a dumb question.
PaperShishigami 2 months ago
What Kristian from Sweden forgot to mention was that our word for Christmas is Jul. And the German word is Weinacht. I'm sure other languages have other names too. And Sweden and Germany were Christian nation until rather recently (Sweden as late as 2000). So the name of the holiday didn't even reflect Jesus at all in Christian nations. In Sweden, no one says happy holidays, everyone says God Jul, which means Merry Christmas.
Astillion 2 months ago
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Now Sweden is 80% atheist, correct? It's amazing how fast things changed.
Randomusername244 2 months ago
The Hebrews would not have been keen on being counted after the plague God sent on Jerusalem after He inspired David to do a census (2 Samuel 24). The purpose of a Roman census would be for tax assessment, so it would make no sense for people to travel to their ancestral home as the Romans would want to tax an area on its population at the time. If Joseph and Mary traveled because of the census, it would have been to avoid being counted - an act of civil disobedience.
8WholeThing 2 months ago
The plural of "Jesus" is "Jeses".
piprod01 2 months ago
@piprod01 I thought it was "Jesi."
RickySTT 2 months ago
@piprod01
The plural of Jesus is Jesi - in Latin. In Greek it's Jesoi.
EvenGodsSuffer 2 months ago
Funny how Christmas is a pagan holiday, and Fox News fakes a War on Christmas.
Shouldn't Fox News and their nut job viewers be attacking Christmas for not being a Christian holiday? It just doesn't make any sense to me.
MrZash313 2 months ago 2
Seth, the logic of the "city of Nazareth" is pretty faulty. The man says that the fact that there was no Nazareth meant that there was no Jesus of Nazareth. However, the lack of a Nazareth does not mean there was no Jesus. Let me say I am an atheist and do not believe in the existence of Jesus, but let's be honest. Even the man said that Mark originally referred to Jesus as the "Nazarene," not "of Nazareth." If so, this does not prove that Jesus never existed, just that Nazareth never did.
Stallkyr 2 months ago in playlist Radio Podcasts
@Stallkyr That's what I thought as well. I'm a fellow-skeptic, but, the notion that Jesus never existed does seem a bit off-the-wall. That said, if I'm wrong then I'm wrong.
andyfromsheldon 2 months ago
@andyfromsheldon "That's what I thought as well. I'm a fellow-skeptic, but, the notion that Jesus never existed does seem a bit off-the-wall."
IMO proving his existence is less important than proving his divinity.
hawklord2001 2 months ago 2
@hawklord2001 But surely proving his existence is a must for both the theologian and the historian?
andyfromsheldon 2 months ago
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@andyfromsheldon "But surely proving his existence is a must for both the theologian and the historian?"
That would be the first step but as I said, proving his existence is less important than proving his divinity.
Throughout history hundreds of thousands of people have sacrificed their lives for others. What set Jesus apart was the so called resurrection and ascension to heaven.
hawklord2001 2 months ago
@andyfromsheldon Well, there may well have been, as Matt Dillahunty says, an itinerant rabbi named Joshua who went around preaching, and he may have been the source of the legend. However, I am extremely skeptical of whether there really was a Jesus. Having said that, the last statement made by that guy that "No Nazareth means no Jesus of Nazareth means no Jesus" is simply faulty logic. I don't think there was a Jesus either, but this doesn't prove it. That's my only point.
Stallkyr 2 months ago
@Stallkyr Also, I don't think 'No Nazareth, No Jesus, No Shit!' would work as a bumper sticker. It's meaning would be lost on pretty much everyone, regardless of their world view.
I always assumed Jesus was simply a progressive thinking rabbi who introduced radical ideas (possibly from other religions such as Buddhism) into Judaism and thus caused unrest amongst the Jews. That what history texts (rather than religious texts) seem to point towards.
andyfromsheldon 2 months ago
@andyfromsheldon Hmm. I've never seen any legitimate contemporary historical account of Jesus anywhere. Are you saying that historical textx exist which show Jesus as having existed? That these texts are contemporary accounts, and that they are legitimate historical documents? The problem with the ones I've seen is that they either aren't contemporary or are forgeries.
Stallkyr 2 months ago
Christmas, a time for joy, love, and a giant spike in the suicide rate.
angelkitten5679012 2 months ago
gold, frankincense and myrrh = mummification, important products in egypt
thelordakira 2 months ago
In the interest of accuracy, the immaculate conception does not refer to Mary getting pregnant without taking the whole thing. It is the Roman Catholic dogma that Mary was conceived without original sin. ("Immaculate" means "without stain.")
Also, considering that the virgin birth story hadn't yet been invented when _Mark_ was written (as well as the wider Mediterranean cultural "need" for gods to be born of virgins), I don't see the story as a cover for adultery.
RickySTT 2 months ago
I think of that old song when I hear about the three kings, too! My experience goes a step further because, for some reason, the California Raisins sing it in my head! lol
shango02005 2 months ago
Actually i have a really good story for this :) Hi I'm 14 and I'm an Atheist. I officially became an Atheist sometime last year. I told my best friend about this soon after. She didn't take it too well. She REALLY tried to convert me by reading me her cartoonized biblical stories, i of course told her to stop and leave me alone like the annoyed 13 year old i was. and then christmas came around. She texted me 2 days before christmas asking if i was gonna celebrate, i told her yes.
RoniValentine 2 months ago in playlist Radio Podcasts
@RoniValentine She texted back with "why? you don't believe in god or jesus you have no right to, you just want presents because your selfish". i finished talking to her by saying "wow, thanks for ruining MY christmas". i didn't talk to her for about a month but she kept calling me so i eventually let her apologize, i still talk to her now but she hasn't disrespected my beliefs since :)
RoniValentine 2 months ago in playlist Radio Podcasts
Jesus was man made, Mohammad told me. LOL.
metalsusa1 2 months ago
Love these podcast's Seth! Keep it up :)
XChallen 2 months ago in playlist Radio Podcasts 21
The gold and incense are for baby jesus' diapers, of course. Gold to pay for them, an incense to cover up the smell.
ChickenRamen 2 months ago
I'm a definite non-Christian, but I must say, this notion that Jesus never existed is a bit surprising. I'd be interested in any information people could share with me on this.
andyfromsheldon 2 months ago in playlist Radio Podcasts
@andyfromsheldon Well, it's not that there's evidence that he didn't exist, just that the evidence that he did is not convincing enough to say with any reasonable amount of certainty. Christopher Hitchens gave a very good argument for someone of that name being a basis of the myth simply because of how blatantly made-up some of the circumstances were in making him fit into the old testament prophecy.
I'm trying to find the specific video I saw on youtube, but I can't.
Phoboskomboa 2 months ago in playlist Radio Podcasts
@Phoboskomboa I agree that a lot that's said about Jesus in the Bible is fictitious, but the reason this notion has made me raise an eyebrow is because most historians (not just Christian ones) tend to agree he existed and the debate has been more about whether he was the Messiah or a progressive thinking Rabbi or a Buddhist or a lunatic etc. rather than whether or not he existed. I appreciate that popular agreement is not necessarily true, but still, this does feel a bit far-fetched.
andyfromsheldon 2 months ago
@andyfromsheldon They don't so much agree that he existed as ASSume that he existed. Actual evidence of his existence is unknown. The historical "evidence" that apologists present (check them out!) are all hearsay, forgeries, or proof that *Christians* (not Jesus) existed. The gospels are so clearly embellished hearsay and midrash that it's impossible to say whether or not they were based on a real person.
Try jesuspuzzleDOTcom.
RickySTT 2 months ago
@RickySTT Thanks, I'll check it out.
andyfromsheldon 2 months ago
All my family are non religious and we all celebrate Xmas. Just minus the midnight mass, and prayer. It's a win-win
AidanVaroloWhite7 2 months ago in playlist Radio Podcasts 2
You know, worrying about the 'Christ' in Christmas is about like worrying about the Saturn, Sun, and Moon in Saturday to Monday, & the Tyr (Tiu), Wotan (Woden, Odin), Thor, and Frigga in Tuesday through Friday. When someone insists you must "Put the Christ back in Christmas!!!", then just tell them "Sure, and let's be sure to put the Thor back in Thursday too!" ☺
Keovar 2 months ago 48
@Keovar I loved your comment! Just, i will have to use this now!
Shawn21769 2 months ago in playlist More videos from TheThinkingAtheist
Up to 37 already? Wow.
GBart 2 months ago
I still don't understand how real bible-banging christians never actually bothered to read the thing. I mean, I never did when I believed, but I was also a pretty lax christian (I'll cop to any 'you weren't a true christian' claims, because it's not THAT untrue).
But how can people think that this book is the word of the creator of the universe, and that it's the most important thing ever written... and not freakin' read it? It's one of the most confusing christian mental dissonances.
Sines314 2 months ago
@Sines314 most christains cant understand it. thats why they dont. i asked my mom if she ever did and she said she tried to but she couldnt understand the writing style so she just goes to church and listens to the priest bc she thinks that they understand it so she can just listen to him and she will understand it. Im sure thats how most do it. they cant understand reading it so they go to church to understand it and they just give example and small snipping of it IE picking and choosing.
TonPappa 2 months ago
@Sines314 That's *exactly* how it is! I left RCC July 2010; prior to that, I NEVER read scripture...and I was the choir leader for 9 freakin' years! I had to put the music together for Mass every Sunday. I had no idea of the hypocrisy...until I started reading about climate change, which led me to asking questions about where the RCC stands on it, which accidentally led me to more exposure to the paedophilia scandal, which led me out of RCC, which lead me out of religion, which led me to atheism
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scotttebben 2 months ago in playlist Radio Podcasts
I had a really poor family, and whatever we got for Christmas we really loved it as children. Watching someone else open a gift or card was the best part.
Amashkitotamoes 2 months ago in playlist Radio Podcasts
I'm an atheist today, kinda allways been, but as a child I believed so strongly in Santa Claus, it's kind of scary! One christmas night (I was 3 years old i think) I even had an full blown hallucination, actually seeing Santa get in to his slade in our backyard, waving, and then flying away! I remeber it vaguely, and my parants tell me that I kept asking them "Can't you see him?! He is right THERE!" pointing out the window! The mind is powerfull and scary...
MsGadgaard 2 months ago in playlist Flere videoer fra TheThinkingAtheist
My family and I get a good 2 week vacation in winter, this is the only time when we can get toguether and party plus this is the only time of the year when stores sell whole turkeys, I love turkey, I love to bake too, and it is "politically correct" to gain 2 kilos of extra weight around this time
So I will continue to celebrate saturnalia, yule, christmas, the winter solstice or whatever crazy holiday people come up with as long as I have happiness, family time, and tasty food
Merry w/e to all!
Moreba 2 months ago
No one in my immediate family thinks Jesus was real, but we all love Xmas
Whattchamacallit 2 months ago in playlist Radio Podcasts
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Holy shit, you sound exactly like Homer Simpson, Seth
sonykroket 2 months ago
@sonykroket Hahahahahahaha, he totally does. He could easily replace the current voice actor if he retires.
Slacktoo 2 months ago
@sonykroket Agreed! :D
andyfromsheldon 2 months ago in playlist Radio Podcasts
black friday shopping? I see it as a good opportunity to catch up on some books :)
osaka35 2 months ago
yeah my parents did that to me 2 , santa was never a big part i always knew he wasn't real ..i don't think it so to protect the jesus belief my parents didn't care to play it up since it wasn't really cultural
crackthecorn 2 months ago
In Denmark, we say Jul(Yule) instead of Christmas, and Santa is called Julemanden(The Yule Man).
In other words, our Christmas doesn't even pretend to connect to Christ, but has more to do with Santa.
Eminemno1fan 2 months ago
@Eminemno1fan I believe I'm saying this right, but if not I apologize for my poor understanding of the language... Either way, "God Jul". ^_^
theirishfrog 2 months ago in playlist Radio Podcasts
@theirishfrog Yup, that is correct :) Thank you, and you too
Eminemno1fan 2 months ago
@Eminemno1fan
In Bulgaria we call it "Koleda', which has to do with the Roman "Kalendae" and with the word for "wheels" (like in the chariot of the god of the Sun).
Santa is called "Grandpa Koleda".
grozde 2 months ago
@grozde Hehe, cool.
Eminemno1fan 2 months ago
@Eminemno1fan As far as i know that is because that the vikings had Jól where they drank, ate and sang. it was also in December and by adopting the holiday the Christians made it a lot easier for the old vikings to convert to Christianity
Så en god hedensk Jul og godt nytår til dig ;)
skoogy7 2 months ago in playlist Radio Podcasts
@skoogy7 Tak i lige måde :)
Eminemno1fan 2 months ago
These podcasts are a good chance to get housework done and learn a few things at the same time.
I buy absolutely no presents for the season. I exchange with friends and family the gift of agreeing not to exchange presents.
ndrthrdr1 2 months ago
Cristmas can be a very lonely time for those who live alone and don't have too many friends. They become more isolated. Suicides go up, as there is nothing to do, nowhere to go, and everyone else so merry.
NoFaithNoPain 2 months ago
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Very true
sonykroket 2 months ago
7th level of hell? Seth, you should know better than that. The 7th circle has the river of boiling blood and fire, and the desert of burning sand and burning flakes raining down.
Being encased in ice is another 2 levels down.
JustAnotherMutant 2 months ago
@JustAnotherMutant Lol, I wish I could thumb up your comment. :D
BeekillerJohanna 2 months ago
Since my children are all grown up (they don't have children yet, thank goodness,lol) and atheists like me we don't celebrate xmass much anymore but the best part of xmass day for me is if I work on the day, I get triple time in pay.
krissyeh 2 months ago
I am SOOOO close to using the intro jingle to these podcasts as my morning alarm
xxx
DarkArcticSun 2 months ago
We say Yule (Jul) in Sweden to so we say God Jul (Good Yule) and not happy Christmas. Most of our traditions are pagan, even Saint Lucia. The only thing that is Christian about Saint Lucia is the name and the character not the celebration itself.
Teekalin 2 months ago
@Teekalin, @TheKab112, @inusword & @MaMastoast: The finnish version is Joulu, also an offshoot Yule. Though I must admit that with foreigners I occasionally resort to the World of Warcraft version of the Christmas greeting.
Merry Winter's Veil to all! =D
BeekillerJohanna 2 months ago
don't worry seth, I know the song!
JoesephKatana 2 months ago
Jól in Iceland, offshoot of Yul aswell. Might aswell be a pagan holiday for us by how much pagan stuff we do.
TheKab112 2 months ago
in norway Christmas is called Jul(English->Yul) so in Norway we say happy Yule Tide.
inusword 2 months ago
luckily its called yule (jul) in denmark, so I can happily say that it has nothing to do with christianity
MaMastoast 2 months ago
happy 100th video
RpgdUd3 2 months ago
I typically despise Christmas music, but David Bowie and Bing Crosby teaming up for 'The Little Drummer Boy' is one I do rather like.
eMel9000 2 months ago
I am a fan of "Merry Whatever!"
StealthMarmot 2 months ago
@StealthMarmot That's simply brilliant. "Merry Whatever" haha, I'm using that.
Nerd0042 2 months ago
My hometown is trying to become recognized as a place of origin of the Christmas tree (not "green" in general, but specifically a spruce) given this country was one of the last Pagan hideouts (only Lithuania lasted longer, it was a Pagan state still well into XV cent), you can imagine how "Christian" origins of that tradition is. "Egle" (spruce) is also a popular name for girls in Lithuania, judging by tales Egle was also a queen of serpents. 8D
SwineNahNah 2 months ago
P.S. Unlike in English we don't have that "X-mas" problem, festivals name doesn't mention Christ at all.
Another local thing is, Christianity by many folks isn't seen as something peacefull, but as foreign religion that came with German invaders; look for "Northern crusades" on Wiki.
SwineNahNah 2 months ago
It's a great time to celebrate my family.
burpwind 2 months ago
thanks : )
Mee551able 2 months ago
My problem with Christmas isn't the materialism or religious trappings. My problem is the cultural obsession with it. People have it ingrained in their minds that they HAVE to love Christmas and the HAVE to make it The Best Christmas Ever, or something is WRONG with them. It's turned a happy, joyful tradition into a grueling, miserable chore. Christmas would be a lot more special to me if I wasn't expected to spend half the year preparing for it.
TBTabby 2 months ago
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snappez 2 months ago
Jesus dislike this video. :]
QuantumV3 2 months ago
36:44 BUUUUUURN!!!!!!!!!!! xD
Benth3rdoneth4t 2 months ago
It’s not the most environmentally friendly of holidays & I’m not a fan of the pressure to be happy some people feel they must place of others during this time.
That being said I like Christmas; I love the cold & snowy weather & the cold fresh air, the tree, the carols, the decorations even the nativity sets & I never get tired of the various A Christmas Carol interpretations. It doesn’t feel like a Christian holiday to me, it feels like an earthy Pagan holiday & it’s great.
TherianthropeAndrewH 2 months ago
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Benth3rdoneth4t 2 months ago
I get why we have Christmas in the winter, it is cold, this pisses us off, let's get that off our minds, but why have thanks giving in winter also? Push thanksgiving back to September, because there is nothing more depressing than the end of summer.
TheRepublicOfUngeria 2 months ago