Republic of Canada Weekend Forum, Toronto, Ontario, May 18 2009.

[TheLiberalKnight]

Canada trying to get rid of the monarchy is like a teenage child leaving home and never talking to his parents ever again.

I hope the Canadians realise what a republic means. I hope they realise that Britain is the only country in the world that truly loves them. America hates Canada, and without the crown, Canada will be known as America's toy, nothing more.

[sunstarsandmoonbeams]

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[ivysandoval]

Clear sensible reason? More Respect? How about Monarchies are inherently undemocratic (nominated by birthright), racist (successors can only be a part of the Church of England), sexist (male preference for successor), violate human rights (are legally above our laws and are not 'equal to us), ignore Canada (Queen Victoria never visited Canada, the current Royals barely do), waste of Canadian taxpayer money (any Royal that visits - incl distant cousins have their tab paid by ordinary Canadians)

[LiamUe]

@ivysandoval

let's revisit your inadequacies in facts, eh

Our Monarchy is Parliamentary. So don't try to go off about 'undemocractic-ness'

Being part of the Church of England isn't racist; it is one of the most tolerant Christian bodies on Earth.

The laws of succession do not give preference to male birth

Represents* Canada in a way our elected body could not do

Our taxes re: the Monarch are inconsequential.

you'd pay billions more for a republic.

[broadband01]

i think the monarchy and the british people in general,deserve a bit more respect than this,havent we fought and died together for the last few other years?

[phantomsuccour]

This is stupid. If you are for a republic give sensible clear reasons for that, rather than insult them, otherwise you seem like a crazy nutter.

[BlackHorse1327]

this guy thinks that the monarchy is a corporation? and that we have a "parliamentary president"?

[gobblinmeat]

"It is pretty outrageous that Her Majesty the Queen is still recognized as the Head of State anywhere on the North American continent"

--Christopher Hitchens

[TheLiberalKnight]

@gobblinmeat Fuck off, Hitler. You're still jealous that Britain owned a massive empire whereas the German one was shit and tiny.

[gobblinmeat]

"It is pretty outrageous that Her Majesty the Queen is still recognized as the Head of State anywhere on the North American continent"

--Christopher Hitchens

[gbambino]

Outrageous! Er... Why is that, again?

[attie3]

i am all for Canada becoming a Republic , Hi from the ''USA'' but damn layoff my U.S. President, bush sir and bush jr thay have there fuck ups like all govts have.

[smeltriver09]

"We are not bees, why do we need a Queen?!"----Great slogan!

[ajjcj]

@smeltriver09 it's an awful slogan. The Queen Bee is the mother Bee of all the Bee's in the hive. The Queen in today's sense represents the mother of the world. Britain is the mother of the world. America, Australia, New Zealand, Canada etc. And the Queen is the Monarch of Britain and therefore the highest person in the political ranch.

Bee's are not British former or present -why do THEY need a Queen?

Get it you dumb little Quebec cunt

[ajjcj]

Canada will NEVER beLike the USA! Britain doesn't care about Canada, we only care about America. If youGet rid of theMonarchy, youWill b White-English/French speaking versionOf Mexico!

You will NEVER be America! At present, you areKind of likeAustralia, quit whileYour behind and deal with it people.

Canada - Get a Girlfriend, and stop visiting your mother (Britain) ! We dread to answer the door encase its you! Instead, we'd kill for a visit from our favourite and most successful child - USA!

[GlaBurnzUrHouseAK47]

FREE CANADA from the Monarch

REPUBLIC OF CANADA

[ajjcj]

@GlaBurnzUrHouseAK47 Fuck off MUG! Britain doesn't care about Canada and you are "free" Britain doesn't or doesn't want to control you.

For all we care you can fuck off back to France!

Just so you know, a Republic of Canada will NOT make you like America. Instead, you will be a French/English speaking version of MEXICO!

God bless UK and USA!

[gbambino]

Free ourselves from a monarchy we freely choose to live under? Are you sure you have the right country in mind?

[stormfront33]

No, it is only YOU and a number of insecure and small minded Canadians who wish to " freely choose to live under " the foreign crown.

[jsinc909]

No ,only YOU and other insecure and small minded Canadians wish to " freely choose to live under " the foreign crown....time to evolve, I'd say.

[gbambino]

Do you two always parrot each other? Still, you're quite the comics! The majority of the populace forced against its will to live under the bootheel of a foreign monarch? Get real. The crown in Canada is Canadian, existing by Canadian law changeable only by elected reps of Canadians. And look how you position yourself in advance of evolution as sole judge of who is and is not evolved, dismissing whole generations as un-evolved simply because they never shared your ignorant thinking. Hilarious!

[jsinc909]

....and I see you at the age of 34 will never be more than a small minded monarchist moron. Please do us all a favour and aquire a brain.

[gbambino]

That's it? The best defence of your "argument" is an ad hominem attack? (One that ironically misspells "acquire" when telling me to do just that in regards to a brain!) Too funny; in a pathetic kind of way. If you're indicative of the average anti-monarchist, the Canadian Crown is safe for a long, long time to come.

[KosaiAvonej]

If we kick the queen out do we end up having a Republican Party in the house? I'd rather have the conservatives or liberals in power then have quacks like the American's Republican party infiltrate our politics.

[gbambino]

No, we wouldn't. But we would have a president belonging to a political party and adhering to its ideologies. Not really a characteristic you want in someone who's supposed to be an impartial referee.

[KosaiAvonej]

Well I think we aught to just keep the queen then other then have Harper become El Presidente. And truthfully, when was the last time you seen the queen come in our parliament waving her scepter around with a crier yelling "Hear ye! Hear ye! It is decree.." followed by an unquestionable and unconstitutionally legislated by someone who actually only has herself as a symbol to our country with no actual power? I've yet to see it, and I would protest it.

[stormfront33]

Umm moron.....there is a big differance between a country becoming a republic and the Republican Party in the U.S. .Please aquire a brain.

[Harahel101]

....Its times like these when I want to close my eyes and wish that all the ignorant people would disappear...ah, do they realise the damage that this would do to Canadian identity thats why Trudeau which was one of Canadas strongest nationalist never touched the monarchy. Think about it from a cultural point, we speak the same langue; we are both founded impart by the same person, now who has the dominating culture? If you facture in all this all that stands between us and becoming a second

[Harahel101]

U.S. is our system of government, I am sorry for all you republicans who can leave well enough alone, but you can actually expect us to sit idle by while you destroy our Canadian identity can you? and for all those who think the contraire , tell me this look a Asia and English speaking Europe, they have all been touched by the American culture, and some there langue is not even the same and they've been touched.

[Harahel101]

So logically now do they think for one second that a population that represents 1 third of their total population, spread over a territory almost 2 the size with a common langue is going to survive, Were going to get eaten alive and if and I hope it never does we fall to the Americans, personally I would be the first to round up all the republicans charge then with treason against the crown, save our identity our culture our country for crying out loud.

[Harahel101]

Then feed then to the wolves, exile then to the U.S. and see if they like there president and is almighty Veto there. Ps Good luck with heath care ;p

[GlaBurnzUrHouseAK47]

the QUEEEN IS NOTHING BUT A WELFARE RECEIPTIENT

[gbambino]

Except that she works at a career she didn't choose now well into her 80s. You'll be doing better, I presume?

[jims08ca]

This is absurd. Canada + the UK have a long, rich history (including WWI + WW2). Newfoundland was given to them. Why spurn that now? The Queen is a nice, symbolic person. She doesn't do anything. I'd rather have the Queen be Head of State than Black Obama/Bush!!

[ajjcj]

Instead - she just represents the country as HEAD OF STATE! You do not live in Britain's shadow, hate to break it to you, but Britain don't give a flying toss about you! We are more interested in America and our proper allies, not some retard country torn between French and English (no offence Canadian Monarchists)

The Monarchy in Canada will still be here in after a blessing in disguise: Prince Charles dies before the Queen (very possible) and William becomes King and is loved as son of Diana

[ajjcj]

After reading some of these RIDICULOUS comments i can see that Kidkappa is a fool? 92% is a ridiculous accusation! Polls suggest that an all time low for supporting the Monarchy was at 67% after the death of Diana, it rose again in the early 2000s and has decreased again since 2005 and is currently at about 65%, but that is mostly the French Speaking population. You do realise that the Queen does not have to, nor does she need to, sign any of your ridiculous laws or anything like tht.

[ajjcj]

I don't who this guy actually thinks he is? Does he think he is the first person to realise that the Royals real name isn't Windsor? FOOL!

Hell is awaiting for you - And do not think "at least i will be surrounded by other republicans?" It doesn't work like that! You are feeding Satan with these ridiculous comments and acts of envy that you are simply not royalty!

MORON! SCUM! FILTH!

Feel the burns

[ajjcj]

This wanker is an idiot, why would Monarchists be at a republican Ku Klax Klan meeting!

Stupid little moron! You are a dirty republican scum bag and will BURN IN HELL! God is watching, whether you like it or not, God is real and you are bad-mouthing the woman choosing by God to represent your country.

Everything bad that happens to you, EVERYTHING, is God and former Royals, you sir, are nothing but a dirty scum bag - I swear to God you will burn in hell!

[ajjcj]

It doesn't matter how republic you are - you will NEVER be America!

A Canadian Republic is a ridiculous idea, i know it, you know it and the Royals themselves know it.

You should all be proud to be part of a Constitutional Monarchy - It is what differs you from your greedy Mexico-toucher neighbours, who by the way, never visit there mother (Britain)

And sure, Canada have never had a girlfriend, but you are mummy boys, and we DO love you and respect you and we have given you independence.

[LiamUe]

@ajjcj

we are proud.

ignore these 'Canadians' masquerading as free, democratic republicans.

they are historically ignorant ponces.

[AdvanXer]

This organization has already been infiltrated MI6. ;)

[ruttandtuke]

Guys, ignore gbambino's ranting. After following some Wikipedia discussions last year about his countless acts of vandalism, I found out that Wikipedia has permanently banned him. It also turns out that he's Gavin Guthrie, the main propaganda chief and Vice-Chairman of the Monarchist League of Canada (otherwise known as Canada's Flat Earth Society).

Leave him alone and he'll scurry off to the rest of his monarchy ass-lickers.

[gbambino]

Both immature and incorrect, rattandtuke. Save yourself the embarassment and do your research more carefully before throwing out such accusations.

[ruttandtuke]

Really? I'm on the Canadian republic email list and have seen all your posts. The ones you sign as Gavin or Gav gavino_bambino?

On Wikipedia, you used to be known as G2bambino but since you were banned for vandalizing republican pages, deleting entries and edit warring, you now go by the user name Miesianiacal.

Why the secrecy now? Afraid the truth will get out that you have only one agenda: Spread monarchist lies and crush republican opinions wherever they may be found?

[gbambino]

I didn't say secrecy. I said you were wrong, on a number of counts. It isn't particularly relevant either, is it? As irrelevant as your associations and agendas, at least.

[kidkappa04]

Alan park is a moron

[gbambino]

Well, at least we can agree on that.

[kidkappa04]

Canada should be a republic .100%

[gbambino]

No, it shouldn't. 100%

[kidkappa04]

why?

[gbambino]

Because in response to the same question posed to those who share your opinion, I've heard in response no sound reason to do so.

[kidkappa04]

how about the french-speaking population that lives under a british head of state. No other country in the british commonwealth is structured like Canada is. No other country in the world. Becoming a republic would allow us to restructure our government and acheive absolute freedom from our decendents. It makes the most sense for Canada because no other country in the commonwealth speaks two official languages.

[gbambino]

Heard it and don't think it's valid. The French-speaking population of Canada lives under a Canadian head of state who fluently speaks both of Canada's official languages, and there's no doubt they're as free as any other populace in a modern, Western democracy.

[kidkappa04]

It has nothing to do with freedom. I`m Canadian, I know were free. We all still live under a Queen from a foreign country, who holds no authority over us. So why keep her as our head-of-state? We built this country, we protect ourselves. give me one good reason why we should stay within the commonwealth w/ a british head-of-state?

[mikailusmaximus]

Canadians are not free. We can't choose or be chosen as head of state. It's a whites-only position and anti-gay.

[kidkappa04]

I strongly disagree. Very much....Canada is the free-est country in the world in terms of constitutional rights. What we lack is liberty. Becoming a republic would further develop our nations image and would make us fully independent.

[gbambino]

Good lord! What ever are both of you on about? Take off the powdered wigs and buckled shoes and move into the 21st century, where we've got our very own constitutional monarchy, created and governed by a constitution that still holds the support of our elected representatives, and nowhere mentions a required race or sexual orientation for the head of state.

[kidkappa04]

that was him not me. he obviously has some issues.

Although heraises a point of Canadian sovernignty. We should have no ties to Britain or France or any of our european ancesters. history will record that we came from there but in order to be able to acheive our full national potential we must create our own identity and stop living under another countries parilamentary regime.

[gbambino]

If it has nothing to do with freedom, why did you say: "Becoming a republic would allow us to restructure our government and acheive absolute freedom from our decendents"? I suspect you're still mired in the past, believing there to be an imperial monarch ruling the country. Sorry to tell you, but the Canadian Crown has been a separate entity to the British one for near on 80 years. No colnialism, no lack of freedom.

[kidkappa04]

we still live under the Queen with a British form of parliment. Nothing you can say can change fact. Canadianzing our government and realeasing the Queen as our head-of-state would give us a true national identity that we could sculpt to our standards.

[gbambino]

So, to make a reason to sever Canada from it's own history, you want to reimagine our current state of being? You're doomed to failure from the start: no matter how many times you say it, we don't live under another country's "parliamentary regime". Yes, there are institutions derived from Britain and France, but good luck trying to obliterate the English & French languages, common & civil law, responsible government, aboriginal treaties, & etc.; and, wow, what national identity we'd have left!

[kidkappa04]

I do not wish to `sever` Canada from its history I simply wish to progress it into the future. We can never be truly free unitl we are free of every foreign influence in our government. Canada will be stronger, prouder and distinctly Canadian.

[kidkappa04]

despite everything you have said you have still not given me one good reason why we should stay in the Monarchy?

[gbambino]

What the hell foreign influence are you talking about? We'd best clear that up before proceeding with anything else, because it seems this bizarre misconception is driving all your other rather strange ideas.

[kidkappa04]

A British Queen running a foreign country. That influence. Its absolute nonsence. WE ARE NOT BRITISh! WE ARE CANADIAN! AND IN ORDER TO BE TRULY 100% CANADIAN WE NEED TO BE A REPUBLIC!!!

give me ONE, Just ONE good reason why we should remain a monarchy...just one...

[gbambino]

That certainly is a blast of nonsense, if I ever heard one. Who cares about a British queen running a foreign country? I asked you to explain what foreign influence was running THIS country. We can get to your question once you've addressed mine.

[kidkappa04]

You can`t do it....I ask you a simple question to back your theory and you can`t do it. I`ve given you a thousand reasons why Canada would benefit but you can`t give me ONE to support your cause. The bottom line is; the pros outwiegh the cons, Canada is better off as a republic. No more permission needed from a governer general, No more governer general!!! hahaha!!! WE will decide whats right for Canada not the Queens AID!

[gbambino]

No, you've not given any reasons, only given your personal opinions, and then backed them up with, well... nothing. When your take on reality is flawed from the outset, of course it follows that the rest of your thinking will be skewed. So long as you can't tell me what foreign influence is running this country, you've got nothing; the rest is simply hot air delivered in all-caps ranting.

[kidkappa04]

I`ve given you clear and presice responses to support all of my opinions, You can`t even give me one to support yours...

Ultimately though your reasons (or lack of) don`t matter because Canada will soon be a republic. It makes sense and its an enivitability.

[gbambino]

No, you didn't. The whole crux of your position rests on the belief in this foreign power running our country; yet, you've yet to prove that any such thing exists. Is it the Queen? Can't be, as she isn't foreign. Is it the British government? Can't be, as it has nothing to do with Canada. So, it remains anyone's guess as to what the hell you're on about.

[kidkappa04]

look at your your money asshole. whos face do you see. as it stands right now under our current system, our prime minster is not the acting leader of this country. The Queens aid, the governer general is. All decisions are final with her. The house can pass a bill but if she doesn`t like it she can overturn the bill on behalf of the Queen. NOW, this is reality, this is our government, stop being a little punk and answer my qeustion! give me one reason why Canada should stay in the monarchy?

[gbambino]

You STILL haven't proven that there's any foreign influence because you haven't proven the Queen is foreign. The constitutional provisions you just mentioned - correct as they are - are stipulated by Canadian laws and conventions, as are those that bind the Crown, set out the line of succession, guide the viceroys, & etc. So, no foreign influence! No matter how many times you demand that we sidetrack to another question, nothing can proceed until you admit Canada's not under an outside power.

[kidkappa04]

The Queen appoints the Governor General....foreign influence......If you have ANY good reasons why we should stay what are they?

[gbambino]

There you go again; is your position really that simple? State: "the Queen is foreign", then repeat ad infinitum. For somewhere around the 27th time, prove the Queen of Canada is foreign to the country she's queen of. Then we can move on to your questions.

[kidkappa04]

She is not the Queen of Canada nor should she be. She is British and we should not be living under any British or foreign heads-of-state. Our head-of-state should be a Canadian citizen who was born and lives here. Doing this will invoke national pride, knowing nobody can take refuge in our accomplishments.

[gbambino]

So, your position now is that the constitution, the parliaments, the courts, the Ministry of Canadian Heritage, the Bank of Canada, the mint, the military, the provinces, & etc., are all wrong? They don't deny the Queen is British, but they also all seem to be under the impression that she is Queen of Canada and is not foreign. So, I'm pretty sure you'll need some concrete evidence to back yourself up.

[kidkappa04]

Stop fuckin around moron, The Queen is unessesary we don`t need her why keep her?

[kidkappa04]

Why are you so afraid to give me just one reason why we should remain a monarchy? I`m open to your opinions, why do you keep avoiding my questions?

[gbambino]

I'm merely waiting for you to do me the courtesy of answering the questions I asked first. I guess I can take your latest burst of simple swearing and insult as your way of saying I'm right: the Queen is not foreign.

One reason we should stay as a *constitutional* monarchy? Easy: stability. Constitutional monarchies, though not perfect by any means, offer greater stability due to the people placing state power and national persona in an impartial figure, and not with a partisan politician.

[kidkappa04]

The Queen is foreign! shes British! stop being an dumbass...

Now....stability? what possible stabiltity

does a British Queen provide over a foreign land? If an `impartial` figure is all she is, why don`t we just appoint a Canadian to fill her role?

[Pennyman21]

We do, her name is Michaëlle Jean and she is the Governor General of Canada. She is the Queens representative. The Governor General is appointed by the Queen on the recommendation of the Prime Minister. Michaëlle Jean is a Canadian citizen though she was born in Haiti.

[kidkappa04]

then why keep the Queen?

[Pennyman21]

The monarchy today is just tradition, but that tradition has never stopped our progress It reminds me that we dont need to sacrifice our growth for our heritage, that good governance should transcend party politics, and that we are all part of something bigger then just our corner of the world The Queen is a symbol just like the flag; only she walks, talks, and wishes us nothing but the best So God Save the Queen and Heaven bless the Maple Leaf forever Happy Canada Day Everyone

[kidkappa04]

I agree, Unfortunately I think Canada has outgrown that tradition phsychologicaly. I don`t know if you watched the CBC`s coverage of the Canada ceromonies, but Peter Manbridge commented during the governor generals entrance about support for the monarchy. It is the lowest in our nations history, single digits low. he then went on to say that our ties will cease at the death of Queen Elizabeth II and not continue into Prince Charles. So....love it or hate it, its going to be gone .

[ruttandtuke]

Unlike the US Constitution, our Constitution does not say that our head of state has to be a citizen or born here. In fact, neither the queen nor her parents were born in Canada, she is not married to a Canadian and, having spent roughly 300 days here, doesn't even meet the residency standards for landed immigrant. Therefore, according to the Immigration Act, the Queen is neither a Canadian citizen, nor can she in any accuracy or honesty call herself Canadian. Therefore, she is foreign.

[gbambino]

Unless it says otherwise, an Act doesn't bind the Crown; so, if legislation makes the Queen foreign to Canada, then she's equally a foreigner to the UK. Also, being in a country of immigrants, you must know already that birthplace doesn't solely decide nationality either. As I said, the gov't recognizes the Queen as Canadian, she called Canada a home, Canadians fellow countrymen, her family Canadian, and her mother called herself the same. Do you know better than all of them?

[ruttandtuke]

The whole point of being a "Constitutional monarchy" is to have a monarch limited by the constitution. In our case, it says "Every individual is equal before and under the law" and "Nothing in this Charter extends the legislative powers of any body or authority." Therefore, just like the rest of us, all aspects of the Citizenship Act apply to her. Since she doesn't fulfill any of the Act's requirements, then she's not a citizen. If the Queen is above our laws, then we're an absolute monarchy.

[ruttandtuke]

Besides, as a lawyer, I can assure you that your reasoning is seriously flawed. The Crown and the Queen are 2 separate entities. The Queen represents the Crown (The Canadian State) but she is most certainly not The Crown and enjoys no special status as a result.

Another correction: The Queen is entitled to say whatever she likes about her perceived nationality but that doesn't make it real. Care to back up your claim that the gov't recognizes her as a citizen? Or is that more of your bullshit?

[gbambino]

You must not be a terribly good lawyer, then, if you don't know that an act only binds the Crown if it says it does; last I checked the Citizenship Act doesn't say it binds the Crown, and neither was it a part of the constitution, Charter or otherwise. Further, the Crown is frequently defined in laws as being the Queen. And, I didn't say the government called the Queen a citizen, I said she's been put forward as Canadian.

[ruttandtuke]

Wow, time to get back on your medication. You monarchist guys really do live in a fairyland kingdom - in your minds. The Queen (the person) is not the same as The Queen in Right of Canada, The Crown, etc. The latter are used to describe the legal entity that describes the federal and provincial state. The Queen (the person) is just flesh and bones like the rest of us and isn't immune to our laws or legislations.

[kidkappa04]

did you watch the CBC`s Canada day coverage? Peter Manbridge reports that Canadians support for the Monarchary is at an all time low. Single digits low. he then went on to say that Canada will effectively end its ties after the passing of Queen Elizabeth II and not continue into Charles. So....love it while you can because it will soon be gone...

[gbambino]

Read the Interpretation Act, lest you lose your licence as a lawyer! Not only does it spell out that an act doesn't apply to "Her Majesty" unless the act says so (s.17), but it also states that "Her Majesty", "the Queen", or "the Crown" means the "Sovereign of Canada" (s.35). Perhaps you'd like to establish how Elizabeth isn't the sovereign, then? Also, have a gander at s.V.41 of the Constitution Act 1982 to see just how soon the monarchy will be gone. I see a William V in our future...!

[kidkappa04]

Who gives a fuck what they say, there our bills in our country we can change them to sat whatever the fuck we want...92% of Canadians are in favour of a republic after the Queen dies. Thats more then enough support to pass it through senate. wake up

[gbambino]

Riiight... Well, good luck with getting your republic by using fantastical statistics to ignore the law. Now, on to more important matters in the real world...

[kidkappa04]

dumbass....there our laws....we can change them however the fuck we want, and if you ask me the Prime Minister seems to be the type to support a republic. don`t worry, its coming...

[gbambino]

Oh, you are getting snippy, aren't you. :D Change them however the fuck we want, yes; but, the law says how the laws are to be changed. All 10 provinces, plus the federal parliament have to agree on any alteration to the Crown. With Quebec involved and the provinces consistently blocking the feds' attempts to claim the monopoly on sovereignty, and... well... It just ain't gonna happen. Sorry.

[kidkappa04]

When Canada eventually does become a republic, Quebec will be the frist to sign.

[gbambino]

Huh? Quebec would have to "sign" before Canada could become a republic; or, did you not read what I told you about the legal requirements for the Crown to be ousted? Most in Quebec who are antt-monarchist are so because they're anti-federalist and see the Crown as a symbol of Ottawa's intrusion. So, I don't see how they'd view a federal president chosen by a majority Anglophone population any more favourably.

[kidkappa04]

A president that does not represent the British...I live in Quebec. We are becoming more federal everyday. This will be the first step towards becoming a nation united as a whole. It will send a clear message that we are not a British in fluence on Quebec, rather a foundation for the greatest Nation through all of history. This would signify that this Quebec`s country too, not the other way around.

[gbambino]

If Quebec is becoming more federal every day, then it is doing so despite the Queen's presence. Perhaps (and I hope this is the case) Quebecers are dropping the anti-British propaganda of the laine pure dogmatists and learning that the monarchy is not a symbol of Britain. The civic and provincial governments did want the Queen at Quebec City's 400th, after all. Only the stupid souveraintistes balked; just as they would about a president elected by a majority Anglophone country.

[kidkappa04]

Quebec becomes more federal in hopes that Canada will one day be a republic. Becoming a republic demonstrates to Quebecers that we wish to live free and independent as one without any ties to the old world. Cutting the cord between England and Canada signifies that Quebecers no longer have to feel `oppressed` by english rule. They are free, we are free as Canadians and as ONE

[gbambino]

Quebecers hope Canada will become a republic? Um.. proof, please. Canada isn't free and independent? Um.. proof, please. A president will end the English majority and British-derived culture in Canada? Um.. pro.. Well, you get the point. Quebecers, as with the rest of Canadians, are free and one, and distinct, within our kingdom. No need to change anything in that regard.

[kidkappa04]

Stats Canada did a poll prior to Canada day and 92% of Canadians are in favour of becoming a republic......just face it....

And becoming a republic doesn`t neccessarliy mean we would have a president. we could have a king, or an emperor, or a commisioner! ANYThINg WE WANTED! We could completly reform our government to shape our country however we wished

[gbambino]

Made up poll with a made up result. It was the Globe and Mail and CTV that commissioned a survey for Canada Day, and none of the questions referred to a republic.

Frankly, though I see nothing wrong with the current situation - in fact, sharing our head of state with a globally diverse set of nations is actually quite Canadian - I could live with a uniquely Canadian constitutional monarch. I don't kid myself that it's going to happen any time soon, though.

[kidkappa04]

nothing was made up. Canadians no longer want to live under a British shadow over Canadian accomplishments, severing ties with England makes us a republic....The Monarchy is dead, you stand alone in your opinions, I represent a nation who will commit to this. Its coming whether you change your mind or not

[gbambino]

It was made up; there's no such poll. There have been various surveys on the subject over the years, and they all contradict one another: one says a majority are ok with the status quo, another says they want change. Still more show that most Canadians have no idea what they're talking about, and others show there's no desire to open the constitution. The have, however, been none about British shadows. So, your bombastic predictions are actually paper thin; nothing's gonna change anytime soon.

[kidkappa04]

Peter Manbridge announced it on air! Sorry but I trust a unbiased CBC reporter over a youtube Monarchist...look at CURRENT polls... 2009....you don`t know what you are talking about. Your opinions are biased and unjustifiable. You gave me your best reasons why Canada should remain and I gave BETTER reasons why we should not. Your like a child, you can`t win...

[gbambino]

Sure he did; he just pulled a random percentage number out of his ass and announced it on air. Uh huh. I know what the polls say; even the most recent one by CTV/G&M before Canada Day. None say 92% for a republic. None. Ever. Regardless, your repeated resort to personal attack and hyperbole is essentially a glaring sign that you've realized your inability to disable my points. I can't tell you what to do, but can recommend that you bow out now, before losing your last scraps of dignity.

[kidkappa04]

Alright. he said, and I quote: `Support for The monarchy is in the single digits.` So it might not be 92%....it might be 96!! or 99!!! Either way its fuckin over....now piss off your bothering me.

[gbambino]

He either made it up or you did. The printed facts are there for you to look at; published in the Globe & Mail July 1. But, so what? It's hardly "fuckin over" because you say so. 1st, you have to educate the populace on the present system. 2nd, you have to come up with a new system. 3rd, you have to get all 10 provinces + Ottawa to approve. 4th, you have to have a successful referendum. The Aussies have been at it for 15 years now; their constitution is easier to amend, and no Quebec! Good luck!

[kidkappa04]

You make it seem like its a prison! Austrailia voted to stay multiple times, Canada has more support to leave. All of the details and technicalities can be worked out prior to the official vote. Its going to happen, wake up...

[gbambino]

I have to say, you certainly do have a vivid imagination! Made up poll results, fantasy antipodean votes, dreams of an idyllic, anti-British republic. Vivid; but delusional. There was 1 vote in Australia, in 1999 (2, if you want to count the 1 before Federation in 1901). But, so what? The point is that the republican boobs there are still at it, 15 years later, and their constitution is easier to amend and they don't have a Quebec to appease. So, tell me, how fast is "a" republic coming here?

[kidkappa04]

As soon as Queens Elizabeth`s life ceases, Canad will be a republic shortly thereafter...preparations are already being made.

[gbambino]

Yea? Like what? And what are the steps that will begin upon the next monarch's accession?

[kidkappa04]

general assembly on how we wish to conduct ourselves after the switch has been made. Then detailed information will be made available to the public on the governments intentions and what it has planned for the future. Then the plans will be finalized and put to a vote. When the vote passes through the citizens and parlament we will offcially become a republic!

[gbambino]

Where are these assemblies being set up now, in preparation for the next accession? And, once in motion, how long will it take to reconcile the wants of 11 separate governments, one of which is adamantly distinct? I mean, you're only toying with provincial sovereignty here!

But, of course, we're getting ahead of ourselves. You don't even yet have evidence of a popular uprising against the status quo. Some vaguely worded polls put to an ignorant populace do not a revolution make.

[kidkappa04]

I`m sure CBC checks its sources carefully & throughly...When the time comes it will happen faster then you think

[gbambino]

I don't see how it's relevant. Even if you could find the source the CBC used (which you can't), there's no poll that shows majority support for a republic. Why? Only one survey, done in 2002, ever asked specifically about a republican system to replace the present monarchy; 48% favoured. And that STILL doesn't mean there's any movement afoot. Look at the video here; a grand total of 30 people. 30! Out of 35 million! Yea, what a revolution!

[kidkappa04]

you just can`t wrap your head aroud this... well wait it out and watch what happens.

[gbambino]

In other words, you've got nothing; absolutely zero proof of any republican uprising against some foreign monarch sill colonizing Canada. I thought as much.

[kidkappa04]

god your fuckin annoying. your like a terrior who won`t stop barking and pisses all over the carpet. CBC fuckhead CBC...shut the fuck up and accept it. don`t keep bothering me. if you don`t beleive me, just wait it out and see what happens

[gbambino]

You were asked to show the source CBC used, but you haven't, because you can't, so now you're the one yapping to distract from your stupidity. Nobody's forcing you to come back here and do it, though! :D

[kidkappa04]

And I told you the CBC would check it sources before airing them you lttle prick FUCK OFF

[gbambino]

You did. That's not the source the CBC checked, however. If they checked it, so can you. So, where is it?

[kidkappa04]

kid your a useless cunt kindly fuck off

[gbambino]

Nope. I can wait. Either 'till you show the source for a republican uprising, or concede that you are wrong.

[kidkappa04]

I don`t know where the CBC got their facts nor do I care. just wait it out until its reality. that should be enough proof.

[gbambino]

Keep wasting your life waiting, then; you'll most likely be long dead before it happens.

[kidkappa04]

we`ll see

[Munts]

A. Stats Canada does not do opinion polls, especially on opinion polls and B. If they did and you believe that 92% is the actual number, why don't you just link to the damn report?

[carmencita89ambi]

Just ignore 'gbambino'. He/she is a loser monarchist who goes around youtube harassing Canadian republicans.

[kidkappa04]

yaa I know. the kids confused

[gbambino]

Aww.. are you two being sore losers? :D

[kidkappa04]

Unless of course your a fraud who can`t back his own beliefs...

[gbambino]

I assure you, I'm not and I can.

[kidkappa04]

Then what are they?