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  • enough is enough! youtube has been getting away with abusing users long enough. i just got bulk mailed on appeal that all of the INSTRUMENTALS in my channel "violate community standards!" (not copyrights).

    as individuals, youtube can afford to ignore us like the faceless corporation it is, but we WILL have a say if the THOUSANDS of us whose free speech has been violated UNITE!

    let's start a class action lawsuit! pass the word, it's time to be heard! fight the conspirators using THEIR methods

  • No worries, it's a natural consequence of highlighting the false flagging of a scumbag. It's natural to think that that constitutes support of the scumbag and it's up to me to make sure people know I don't intend it to be that.

  • @rozeboosje

    i guess i'm not the only one calling the extreme MINORITY out to suppress the majority scumbags then. youtube could easily track abusers if it chose to, which it won't or if it's FORCED TO by law. to do that, everyone needs to get off their whiny and/or apathetic butts and join as a group with a real "get on the evening news" voice. 10,000 litigants (even the 520 in a "flag abuse" only youtube search) is not an easy elephant to ignore in the courtroom.

  • @djgambitron You'd be wasting your time in a court room. You have no legal case to make. Forget about courtrooms. But what about other avenues? A large, organised protest for example? Paid advertisements on billboards highlighting the plight of the YouTube Users. That sort of thing.

  • @rozeboosje

    there ARE TOO legal issues involved in these cases as a whole besides violation of free speech, there's also blatant conspiracy & discrimination and i'm sure OTHER violations of rights i don't know.

    the real crime though is all these whiny fucking apathetic sheep who can't be bothered to get their fucking hands dirty fighting ANY corrupt system. if you can't stand up for your rights, shut the fuck up. quit wasting the earth's precious air bitching & moaning 1/2 heartedly

  • @djgambitron Violation of free speech? Conspiracy? Discrimination?

    Seriously. [rolleyes]

    Keep fighting the windmills, Don Quixote.

  • @rozeboosje

    look the terms up because apparently you don't understand them!

    when some asshole who doesn't like what yoiu have to say and is given the power to gag you (i'm talking about EVERYONE that's been attacked for religion, politics & race etc.) your free speech is is violated

    because it's a small group & youtube is complacent, they are a de facto part of the CONSPIRACY

    and if you knew all the OTHER people that have been targeted, you'd know what REAL discrimination is!

  • fuck it... if every whiny ass crybaby bitch that makes a piddly protest video but can't be bothered to fight for their own rights, they don't have the right to open their fucking pieholes to begin with because they only want democracy if someone else does the fighting for them.

    fuck 'em! i'm happy every single one of them has their channel wrecked. they're all talk and no action tools that got exactly what they deserved.

    my channel wasn't trying to make any political free speech related issues

  • my issue is that both the scumbag losers who CONSPIRED to wreck it aren't accountable nor is youtube when it turns a blind eye, & refuses to VERIFY false claims

    i don't know who targeted me as i'm blindfolded. the last time i checked, i have a legal fucking right to meet my accuser when falsely accused of a crime.

    here's to hoping all of youtube crashes & burns because there isn't a user worth shit here.

    i think i'll just start targeting channels i don't like myself. if you can't beat 'em...

  • @djgambitron May I suggest a book to you? It was written by Dale Carnegie, and it's titled "How to win friends and influence people". I think you might benefit from his suggestions.

  • why would i want to win over backstabbers, lying pieces of crap and other assorted sheep who go with the flow, destroy the planet & who are otherwise ruled by their primitive reptilian brain instead of a sense of right or wrong? why should i want to win over any AHOLE who calls me "brutally honest" like IT'S A BAD THING?

    the less i have to put up with people's BS the better! people suck! EVERYTHING wrong on this entire planet is caused by PEOPLE!

    animals make the best people & are more honest

  • @djgambitron Bestiality's best, boys, bestiality's best (shag a wallabi) ...

  • Like I said: "it couldn't have happened to a nicer person". This vid is not about supporting her, but about fighting false flagging and DMCA abuse.

  • I still maintain, this is not censorship, it's capitalism. YouTube is on this earth to MAKE MONEY, not promote free speech. It's naive to think otherwise.

  • You're a fucking moron. This is not about YouTube, it's about how assholes abuse YouTube's procedures. That said, YouTube does publicly state that it supports freedom of speech so we have every right in the world to point at it and shout "HYPOCRITE"

  • See, it IS about YouTube. In a world of capitalism, the company, above all else, is looking for profit not for freedom of speech. It's not going to choose a loss over freedom of speech. So, while they "Say" one thing, you need to understand their ultimate allegiances. It's not to users, the community or freedom of speech. I do agree that you have the right to shout hypocrite, but in the end it's a dollars and cents decision for them. Ad dollars talk louder than users of their website.

  • Yeah? And I'm NOT going to shut up about it.

  • No one (at least not me) is telling you to shut up. Exercise your right to "Free Speech" and say anything you want. Speak with your wallet. This is America, after all.

  • I'm in Ireland but sure. I'm not going to allow myself be shut up. Not by you, and I'm glad to see you agree, and not by anybody else either.

  • Pino, had you been born on planet Romulus, you'd be head of the senate by now. Reason just is not rewarded adequately in this part of the galaxy...\\//_

  • :-)

  • not again....jeebus fuckin'g christ!!!!!!!!!

  • Aye

  • quite

  • straight up nigga all da best to you godless hethens for defending my sister in Christ the lovely Kassie

  • GEE, THANKS.

  • anytime nigga... anytime...

  • I'm not defending Kassie. I'm defending freedom of expression. Kassie can go fuck herself. But she has as much right to express her opinions as anybody else has.

  • word up man. I got ya fuck da bitch but let her talk I got ya nigga word ...

  • LOL

  • I don't know if you caught my comment on the other channel, Pino, but I think that this may not be the case to defend. Essentially she slandered a whole state with lies that may cause an actually impact on the state to attract new business or firms in that state to recruit employees from out of state. That's a clear cut case for tortiary interference. She crossed the line

  • If that is the case, that would of course change things. Have you any evidence for that? Archived video material, for example?

    If she really made defamatory comments then that would of course change the situation.

  • From her own statements characterizing Mass's education system 'forcing' homosexuality on children and even encouraging homosexual behavior on minors. Consider the impact if I owned a bio tech firm in Boston and I'm trying to recruit workers from out of state. One of the selling points is the education system for potential employee's children. Kassiedill's comments may interfere in my ability to hire. Who would want their kids being subject to molestation and possible rape?

  • Hm...

    It's a tough one, that. It seems just about vague enough that she might get away with it. But maybe someone should take the bull by the horns and sue her over it. Let's see what happens.

  • I'm not saying that's the case, but when I heard her statements that she made in that clip it was quite clear that it was defamatory in nature. She basically accused the commonwealth of Mass engaging in a serious crime. She was referencing that video in particular as the cause of her suspension. Unless you have other info, I would say that she shot herself in her foot. FofS doesn't cover false defamatory statements

  • I hear ya, and I agree, but the problem is that the law is such a friggin' ASS - just check the video I've just uploaded, it hasn't even completely processed yet so it'll be a minute or two yet, but check it. Anyway. The problem with defamation is that legally it hasn't happened unless someone sues. It's a bitch.

  • Will do. I agree, that's why I said I thought (IMO) that it was a tort. I wasn't claiming that someone from Mass is responsible, although that may be very possible. States spend a lot of money promoting their states to promote tourism and attract business.

  • Another reason why kassie's account should never have been suspended. Now what is a prosecutor going to use for evidence?

  • LOL! good point. But it wouldn't be a prosecutor, it would be a civil tort not a criminal infraction

  • I see. I guess in that case an archived version of the vid might be acceptable maybe.

  • Dunno, you'd have to ask an attorney about what would be allowed as evidence. I do know that cases of slander/libel are not a criminal offense here in the states. The real question is if Mass, or another party of interest, filed the claim. But was it a DMCA that was filed or was it flagged?

  • Indeed, but if someone were to sue Kassie for defamation, and win the case, nobody can blame YouTube for not wanting to allow defamatory content to be hosted on their site. Then they would have a good justification for taking material down.

  • Excellent message!

  • Cheers

  • Good job sending the letter. Unfortunately, I'm afraid it's gonna fall on deaf ears and blind eyes, considering the abysmal track record of the YouTube administration. But it's still good that you posted this in a video, just to let other people know. Maybe this fact will make at least ONE person over there in the ivory tower to pull his/her head out of the ass.

    These god-wannabe admins should thank the non-existent gods that I don't live in San Bruno, or in the Western Hemisphere in general.

  • LOL

  • being as I can't even remember what info I gave for my main account, I might at that!

    Not accusing anyone, but, think about it...

    If I'm gonna start up this new channel, I eventually need a way to get views, since I'm almost always high and am pretty devoid of talent

  • :-)

  • Hear the Dill?

    Great, now Kassie is going to get a wider venue to spread her idiocy with the false legitimacy of being "censored".

  • Exactly

  • Damn your taste in music....

    Juliana Hatfield Three!!!

    Really nice

  • Cheers!

  • Exactly. It makes the blood boil. Especially since the broad brush brigade can now point at all of us and go "see? You're doing it TOO!" - regardless of how unfair that is, they'll do it.

  • I would love to see someone finally take legal actions against one of those false DMCA filers. Time is overdue for such an example. Unfortunately.

    Didn't Desertphile say he was going to sue that dude who falsely DMCAed him?

  • Yes indeed. But before you can take action against somebody you need to know who you're trying to sue. That aside, the only way you can really sue is if you have damages to show. The alternative is to report someone for committing perjury, hoping a DA will pick up the case, but again you'll need to be able to identify the culprit. Finally you can try getting some leverage with YouTube, which is the approach I am currently taking with my "grandeur" video, but things are still in the works there.

  • Agreed. She should not be censored. It would be one thing to glag a video for TOS violations, but we can't run around being the god damned thought police like they do! Otherwise, what's the difference between us and them. Some free thinkers, eh? The other option is that another fundie DMCAed her in order to stage this.

  • Of course there are always some who don't get it, so if shit like this happens we must be seen to puke out the culprits out of our community. If I find out who did this to her I'm doing to fucking crucify them.

  • this brought an idea to my mind. What if some people are DMCAing themselves from Socks or something? Think about it...you get a dmca. Someone like Rosie tells us all, and then a ton of people go to the new channel and show some love by subbing, commenting, etc, etc. Not accusing anyone, but it seems like a damn good plan. BRB, gonna go dmca myself!

  • LOL

    It's possible, but would you go so far as to DMCA your account to death? In Kassie's case, anyhow, I think the tactic was false flagging rather than false DMCA

  • Yes. just because we can all mock and disagree with her, does not mean she should be censored. Allowing dissenting opinions is one of the most important things about free speech.

  • Yes.

  • I love Juliana Hatfield. It must be so cool to have her as your sister.

    Anyway, FREEDOM OF SPEECH FOREVER! Even for retarded assholes and useless trolls.

  • LOL

    Yeah. As I pointed out, I'm quite happy to see action being taken against people who don't know their boundaries such as Elliot, but all that Kassie ever does is state her opinions. I have never heard of Kassie going after someone and harassing them. She just makes her vids spouting her nasty opinions. Nice it's not, but it's her right.

  • I would give this video 5 stars... if I could. I just got hit with the 'like/dislike' video page. Does anyone know how to get back to old school video page?

    That said, PEOPLE: DMCA claims are for copyright violations. That is all. It is stupid, illegal, and the wrong thing to do to use it to 'get rid' of someone. Insert Voltaire/Evelyn Beatrice Hall quote here.

    Peace.

  • Cheers. And similarly, the flagging of "inappropriate content" should not be valid for simply stating an opinion.

  • Off topic. I get the feeling that had rozeboosje and I grown up in the same neighborhood we would have hung out and listened to similar music. Watching any of your videos with music in them is always a pleasure.

    On topic. Although I disagree with kassiedill2 on 100% of the topics I've seen her discuss, she still has a right to say what ever she wants, no matter how retarded it may be.

  • Exactly, and if we want people to understand how retarded it is, we should respond to her, not try to silence her.

  • Amen ;-)

  • Thanks!

  • "It is our attitude toward free thought and free expression that will determine our fate. There must be no limit on the range of temperate discussion, no limits on thoughts. No subject must be taboo. No censor must preside at our assemblies." William O. Douglas

    Free speech even protects so-called hate speech. When Nazis spew their ignorance; they disaffect rather persuade people. Rational people can express their dissenting opinions.  YT should encourage dialogue rather than prevent it.

  • Indeed

  • Hear Hear!

  • Cheers

  • YT should hire you to handle all of this. : )

  • LOL

  • I made detest of persons particular views but I will defend to the death their right to express them.

    that's the only way freedom of ideas will ever work.

  • Yup. And there is a difference between expressing ideas and implementing them, too.

  • Not sure I'd call her an idiot in a msg telling her I'd support her right to free speech, but okay. At least I agree with the rest.

  • I wouldn't want her to think I'm kissing her ass. LOL

  • Juliana Hatfield is your sister?

  • rofl

  • I agree completely. Good message here.

  • Cheers

  • is that the aquanettas doing the music?

  • No. Juliana Hatfield

  • Thank you, I totally agree for both ethical and practical reasons.

  • Cheers

  • Speaking out on the unfair termination of Kassie's account; is difficult, but the right thing to do. And Elliott has turned into an EVIL troll.

  • Yeah. And yes, he has.

  • we must demand free speech for all - even for idiots! x)

  • Definitely. They can say what they want. They will understand though that every time they open their big gobs and start spouting drivel, we'll be there to show everyone how stupid it is. That is us exercising OUR freedom.

  • Well done, Roze. I appreciate your level headedness.

  • Thanks

  • These motherfuckers have GOT to be stopped!

  • Yup.

  • Wow! Your sister rocks! Liked the green font as well, even though the yellow/red is your trademark in my mind. Anyway, yeah Kassiedill is retarded and I spit on the ground she walks on, BUT the First amendment protects her right to be retarded and offensive, as long as she doesn't inspire acts of violence. To my knowledge she only specialized in making a fool of her self and left it at that.

  • Yup. But now she's a hero.

  • You should NOT have mentioned that name...LOL

    But hey....I'm mild today. ;-)

  • :-)

  • They even got KassieDill2? What did she do, make an anti-death penalty video? Perhaps a pro-choice one?

  • Who knows? The evidence has been destroyed.

  • She must have said something worth hearing to get flagged...for once;)

  • Actually, I doubt it very much. But it upset some people who thought the best approach was to silence her. You can't silence bigotry, you need to destroy it with education.

  • so very well said, I hope the reader cares enough to act. and thanks for that song I'd forgotten

  • Cheers

  • i didn't even know she'd been suspended. that sucks, for all the reasons stated. 5*

  • Absolutely

  • Yep, yep, yep.

    Anyone who files a false DMCA is an idiot. I don't like Kassie at all, but free speech is free speech, no matter who is speaking.

    I like your e-mail.

    Faved. : )

  • Cheers!

  • There are no grey areas in freedom of speech.. its either free or its not!

    (Havent heard this song in YEARS! Thank you for reminding me of it)

  • :-)

    Thanks

  • Well said dude - support!

  • Cheers

  • Hail free speech. Hail your sister, love her sound. Thanks for sharing her work with us.

  • You're welcome

  • This shit is never ending

  • tldr...

  • huh? I am not familiar with that expression

  • It means "too long, didn't read."

  • Aha. Fair 'nuff

  • o, too long didn't read. sorry, i love hearing what you have to say, it's just i only listen to a majority of the videos i put on

  • I actually find Kassie's videos quite entertaining. Few YTers can make me laugh the way she does.

  • Yeah, except she means what she says.

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