2009 - Why karma is stupid

[horacekemp]

anyone notice the soup coolers on her??

[SpamAnn]

@horacekemp soup coolers?

[mky602]

My message to all white people (no offense): Please stop debating or discussing about such things which are alien to your culture and thus getting confused. Enjoy your own culture and religion and be happy!

[SpamAnn]

@mky602 : and stay an ignorant following slave sheep as we have always been? No! that shit ends. Visit equalmoney . org . Be part of the movement to stop the abuse on earth.

[drdeebee]

@SpamAnn. But what is the fault of the child who is born to a poor couple? Did he do something worng?

[SpamAnn]

@drdeebee : I dont know, no one can say that. The thing we know for certain is that that child is born without a memory and that we are allowing this abuse to go on day in day out. It is time we stop this system on earth that destroys life. Because even if karma existed, it would never justify the humans that are abusing others, making others starve etc... Because all of that is human made.

[drdeebee]

@SpamAnn Have you held a small baby (say 5-6 months) in? high above the ground or on a high platform? You will notice that the baby will hold on firm to you. Can you let me know why does the baby do so, when the baby doesn't have any experience of a fall or death or bodily harm? (Most babies haven't experienced any major injuries and have been cared for). The other issue about abusing others is not due to Karma, it is due to desire to gain something..contd

[drdeebee]

@SpamAnn contd...by any means, whether they are honest or now.

[SpamAnn]

@drdeebee : inbuild survival mechanism. It is irrelevant. direct what is here on earth, take responsibility of what we have allowed. visit the equalmoney website to find out how to

[drdeebee]

@SpamAnn Interesting thought. One hand you say that a child is born without memories. So I do not understand inbuilt survival mechanism in that context. Karma is not instant reward or punishment, actions will bear fruit at some point in time. Otherwise bad things wouldn't have happened to good people. According to what I have learnt so far, taking responsibility is we have a free will to make a choice, it is up to us to make the correct choice.

[SpamAnn]

@drdeebee : animals have it as well. Survival instinct. And it is all irrelevant. Bad things happen to good people because ALL people support abuse and are as responsible for it. This entire system that we as humans created is abusive and creates seperation. look at the reality, look at what we as humanity do and how bad things happens. It is because of bad intentions of people. If you say karma exists then that means karma uses other people, to do bad to other people, to fulfill its law.

[SpamAnn]

And then that would mean that karma itself creates the bad people, and then punishes the bad people for going along with its plan. It is the same as a god that punishes his own creation to damnation and hel. We have programmed choice, born in an islamic culture your choices would be entirely different. Our choice is only free when we know all aspects of who we are, and how we are programmed. Yet out choice will always have consequences for all in this world.

[drdeebee]

@SpamAnn - let me take this one at a time. So you agree abuse causes all the ills. What is this abuse? Isn't it bad actions by all (or some and inaction by others) people? Which is basically Karma. Karma at the very basic is action not the result. The result is the consequence of that action. Every action will produce result whether you like it or not. We all see it in every day life. You can call this God's law or Nature's law or Karmic Law.

[drdeebee]

@SpamAnn Well the topic of how people are created is entirely different. Karma (actions) and desire affect your sphere of influence. It is evident in everyday life. You may be born in any part of the world, you have a free will where you can choose how to act. Irrespective of your social customs and traditions every human has the intellect to decide what is right or wrong for himself/herself.

[drdeebee]

I have one question for which I haven't got any satisfactory answer.

Why is one person (Soul A) born in a poor family and has to undergo hardships while another person (Soul B) is born in a rich family and enjoys all the good in life? Now either God is not just to all, or God is just mindless that he wants to test some people randomly? Please do not give any excuses that God has a plan or we are not aware of God's power.

[SpamAnn]

@drdeebee : because human beings on this planet, ON PURPOSE designed a system where some are abused , starve and used to make profit upon. It causes poor people to have more children to provide for their survival. So 2 people want a child, they make one, and that decides the childs further life. It is people who do this. People who created this system.

[Wahnsinner]

It's not so much that the karma concept is stupid; although I agree, it is that an extraordinarily complex mechanism is required - similar to to a massive computer network here on earth - for the whole thing to make sense.

[Juanster23]

Everyone suffering in the world is because of ignorance. Ignorance of reality. I don't think we are meant to remember our past lives. We have to work with what we are given in the present moment. This life. If you want to know your past life you can look your current conditions. If you have fortunate conditions you can bet that in your previous life's you worked helping others. Thats how it goes. But to say karma is stupid is like saying nature is stupid. Karma just is what it is.

[Juanster23]

Karma translates into action. Every action has a reaction. It seems simple but karma in its complexity is unknownable by the intellect or thinking mind. The western world has a weird notion on karma. In the west its based on the ego thinking. How good I am vs how bad. But there is neither good nor bad karma but just karma. The actions we do should be based on skillful or unskillful actions. We know the correct thing to do. But if we choose to do unwholesome things then we reep what we sow.

[ssramroop]

That person who is starving may also go and kill someone for food, thus creating a loop of bad karma.

[SpamAnn]

@ssramroop : And you walk ignorantly on an ant nest killing a lot of ants, BOOM bad karma. lol. I decide not to believe in karma, or pre occupy with thinking if it may be true or not because we dont know. What I can do is be self honest and live my life to do what is best for all without abusing another.

[Cosmic444]

Hey Ann i fully agree with the past life Karma, but what are your views on karma while your on earth, you know people say everything you attract in your life good or bad is from your own thoughts and actions????

[SpamAnn]

@Cosmic444 : I would say thats not true because I often thought doom and it never happened. Also starving children may think about food and not have anything and even die. We need equality on earth, food, watere, house etc.. for all beings on the planet. This we have to DO, physicly move ourselves to create such a system, and stop the current abusive system.

Another thing on karma, some poeple who do antrocious things, may live a wealthy life.

[Cosmic444]

@Cosmic444 I agree with you, good and bad things happen to good and bad people, however on a smaller scale, for example like good treatment and good intentions between two people, Karma may exist dont you think?

[SpamAnn]

@Cosmic444 : Whats important is to look at the internal patterns of the whole scenario. Like for example what a "good intention" is based on. Because a good intention may not be good at all. And may come even from a starting point of fearing rejection/dissaproval etc....this is what we have to deal with, why we are the way we are and do what we do. Sometimes you can still be abused when you take care of another person, it all depends on how abusive people are.

[Cosmic444]

@SpamAnn Indeed, its good to look at it this way.I was looking back on the message, and i didnt mean i agree with past life karma i meant to say i agree with you on your ideas of karma, i feel there is an end to everything a bad person does, everything changes nothing stays the same. That includes good things too! your going to have your ups and downs who ever you are.

[abcccdegs]

I find your thoughts truly enlightening, and I'm happy to see a person with a motive to understand. I agree what you say, but let me ask you, what if the system doesn't need you to learn at all. You can ascend, or descend, or just remain the same, it does not matter until the world can uphold itself through? Cause and effect works just blindly.

[SpamAnn]

@abcccdegs : the system is not an outside thing, the system is us. We create the system, we allow it, we re-create whatever is in it. And what we work on is not ascend or descend or remain as it is, but to change the system in its fundamentals. change that comes from the core so it can last and stand the test of time.

[abcccdegs]

@SpamAnn : Yes, we are part of the system, and it may couldn't exists without us. And we can change it a little, but just as little, as little we are. Karma says something similar, we are all connected, there's cause and effect, so try to change something to break out the meaningless repetition, dig deep down, to find the very core of yourself. Isn't it?

[xXBlackxRebelXx]

you are fucking stupid and dont seem to understand karma.

[SpamAnn]

@xXBlackxRebelXx : instead of insulting, can you say what exactly im not understanding?

[AccuracyMarked]

If you really look at the whole picture...here in the now...our lives now....we are living our own Karma now. You will see...as bad deeds in youth...that...that karma does catch up to that same person... older folks. Karma plays out in this singular life...have to look close and at many case histories....it all around you. Most people after 40 or 50 realize the "now karma" playing out on Earth...while younger folks miss it completely. Check history and mal lives documented..tragic events plague.

[kevin7lee]

"There is a destiny that makes us brothers, none goes his way alone. All that we send into the lives of others, comes back into our own."

[likeapro210]

our percpective may be limited to our physical experience. but one thing is certain through these many cycles.. that is change.. we HAVE seen the evolutions of science awareness and consiousness through time. Anyone who says otherwise is trying to sell you some ;) we are our own judge and a piece of a larger puzzle. theres no way to see the big picture unless you stop and step back... every action has a predictable reaction.. is that not the majesty of creation? love and light

[SpamAnn]

the love and light thing is a trap.Because love is not here, love would be equal for all, doing what is best for ALL. And light is... you put on the lightin the bathroom, you light a candle. We havent evolved, we simple changed how things appear but the inside mechanisms are still the same = the mind that controls humans through progamming, not as seperate because its who we have become and follow our programmed mind.

[likeapro210]

"love" is a state of being that every person has the choice to experience at any moment. "light" is the illumination through knowledge our consiousness has been allowed to experience. whats wrong with the mind? it allows to experience and make the choices that you make.. the programming is your own manifestation so why not spread happiness instead of fear?

[SpamAnn]

the mind is programmed and will keep you a slave to support polarity and seperation on earth through feelings/thoughts/emotions following.

The choices we make are based on that programming and thus are not free.

[likeapro210]

if you know rhe mind is programmed, you should know it is REprogrammable. if it is reprogrammable, you can be as free as you decide to be. it seems you only get your programming from desteni productions these days which is dangerous...

[SpamAnn]

yes, it is reprogrammable through self honesty with self direction. But for that you have to understand all the points of enslavement.

[likeapro210]

it is reprogammable through many more ways than that... although i believe the philosophy you are spreading sounds alot like luciferian philosophy... which i see as enslavement

[SpamAnn]

I dont know what luciferian philosophy is, but I would go into any believes. Another way as self honesty is not possible because self honesty is self honesty. Without self honestyyou are self dishonest.

[likeapro210]

perhaps you should be "self honest" about the fact that you dont really know what you are talking about then... all you are doing is regurgitating someone else's thoughts. wake up! u are being controlled and manipulated by ideas that tell you you are controlled and manipulated and u dont even fully comprehend them. you are choosing your own prison, and taking other sheeple with you...

[likeapro210]

i dont want to offend you, ann. i believe your intentions are good. but the people that you are learning from ARE SATANISTS. They DONT want you to be free and you are propogating their philosophy of fear and hate. I want more for the world than that. y dont you? the world can never change unless we are first "self honest" then choose to be "self loving... take care ann

[SpamAnn]

say 1 thing about why you think they are satanist, and also why you think that particular thing is "not good".

[likeapro210]

just one thing?lol ok. by allowing your life to be governed by the principles of "self honesty" and "self direction", you are justifying the luciferian/satanist philosophy of "to what thou wilt" (do whatever you want) declaring yourself all knowing and all responsible. the problem is, humans arent capable of such responsibility. we are limited by our senses and physical limitations. even though we are devinely created you are allowing these people to think for u: that is not good. ur worth more

[SpamAnn]

self-honest is something you are or are not, its not a seperate entity governing your life. "do what thuo wilt" is not something we at desteni support, w e support "do what is best for all in equality".

You dont seem to understand what desteni is about, I suggest you research better. We may be limited right now in our senses but that does not mean we cannot stop the programs within us, because when you are sel fhonest, you know and see whihc they are.

[likeapro210]

once again.. u seek to justify your cult instead of listening.. i didnt say desteni TEACHES this idea.. simply that the logic leads you to that conclusion that you must do anything in your power to create this change. wherein lies the morality of the decision? it doesnt exist because you believe yourself to be "right" because you percieve yourself to be "self honest". its a mind f*ck, ann. and theyve got you right where they want you

[SpamAnn]

no because you believe that I think I am "right" . This is not about right and wrong, we have to do what works and if I find something that works then I use it.

[likeapro210]

and if all u want to is STOP the programming.. u may as well be advocating suicide... hello!! if that doesnt sound satanistic i dunno what does!! cmon ann.. ur either a really good actress or you feel trapped by your own ideas.. let me show you freedom, my friend

[SpamAnn]

your trapped by your logic. Advocating suicide wont fix the problem will it.

[likeapro210]

neither will being illogical ;) so i guess we are at an impass. have a good day ann :)

[SpamAnn]

common sense.

Start with yourself in self honesty and then you will see.

[likeapro210]

you will find that "common sense" is only common to you dear. we all have different original frames of reference. be "self honest" enough to understand that. you cant expect other people to think like you then call it common sense. that makes NO sense. i began with self honesty years ago. i have since moved on to "self love" so as to spread "universal love". i call THAT common sense. u obviously disagree..

[SpamAnn]

Read about "self honesty" on the website, I made a topic about it, you should find it if you use the search option with a topic title self-honesty. Because its not what you think it is. Common sense is for all and is not an individual opinion. If I dont know something I stay neutral. Give an example of this "universal love".

[likeapro210]

i couldnt find what you were talking about, so please send the link. i think we all know what self honesty is, dont you? if you go around lying to yourself there is something wrong isnt there?

The term common sense is a subjective term. what is common for one person is not common for another. therefore to base a movement around a term that means different things to different people would be like a blind man leading another blind man.

[SpamAnn]

link send

[WalkerEdelstein]

would you upload the link again or send me?

[likeapro210]

It seems you will say anything to justify your world view. ill be a law school student, so i understand lol. but your not any different then the people who own this world. when they got you to "do what works" regardless of morality, thats when u compromise ur soul. im not asking you to believe in a soul because i say so. any truely "self honest person" knows they have one. so while you take yourself in circles not knowing what you are, they laugh at you, because they own your mind

[SpamAnn]

if morality is just that = morality, then it is stupid to just follow something because of the moral code.

Soul spirit heart or whatever you may call it: we are who we are and self honesty reveals why we are what we are and what the outflows is. Again, you dont get what we mean with "self honesty". The link will clear that up. Its not the same as just honesty.

[WalkerEdelstein]

lol dont u think this is just fantasy?

[WalkerEdelstein]

i mean where did she spoke about compromising morality etc.

[SpamAnn]

and I dont spread fear, I say it how it is, the truth. if people react on fear to that then thats a point they have to work on.

[NWOSupporter2012]

There is no point scoring system, your actions are affected by the consequences of the action you take in the life you live, and not some mythology of a lifetime later by using a Karma point scoring system, or God complex to judge you in the end-times judgment. Once you die, there will be no punishment,if you were not judged while your lifetime,and not in the afterlife system to punish you as a decline in life status because of a past life actions.

[NWOSupporter2012]

There are no afterlives. Once you die, its all over. Hell, Heaven, Karma are nonsense ideas, and they are not reality. All the energy recycles in the universe, and you are created by accident. Everything is based upon evolution. God or no God, evolution is the ultimate factor in shaping events. If a species is weak they will die, and if they are deluded they will be destroyed by the delusion they exist on. You cannot bend the spoon, you have to bend yourself. Hunt or die, its that simple.

[WalkerEdelstein]

wow man you through a lot of issues over one and the same stick you make your hairs with.

[uramea014]

Speaking about Karma and reincarnations I want to know is karma and reincarnation pre-programmed in all humans? Because I VIVIDLY only remember this life as being only me. For example, I don't have ANY recollection of myself as a homeless boy in the 1700's stealing for survival. (As I was told in a past life regression work that was done on me).

[SpamAnn]

I only remember this life also so I cant give you an answer ;)

I dont have to know it either, its irrelevant to me. We are everyone anyway, born in the place of another we would be them. To direct ourselves in this world, all we have to do is look around and within.

[richardsbrianc]

thoughts, but no the world cant is ludicrous. If that's true why arent you a barbarian like the rest of the world?

[richardsbrianc]

I think the only thing we can do as people is to question everything, and never concrete our thoughts into words like "never, can't, absolute." Life is never this consistant. We are constantly proving ourselves wrong. Thoughts such as reincarnation may, or may not exist, same with karma, but Spam I believe you are incorrect that things arent changing. Especially having the internet it's easier for people to become connected and learn at a much higher rate. To say that you can conceive of these

[SpamAnn]

It looks like things are changing, but the basic programs are the same, its the exterior that alters. But systems are the same and shape in many ways. If you learn but have no self honesty, then learning is useless because you will use it to boost and fuel the system. And I mean not only the exterior system but what goes on in your mind.

[iggy6]

Ann, I am really impressed with your intelligence. It's nice to see someone so young being responsible.

[psychoscribe13]

I love that sexy accent :-)~

[1BustedMyth]

Karma= a way to let yourself off of either careing or feeling guilty for those less fortunate.

Humans making up stories to make themselves feel better and more important than they actually are, Adam NEVER existed!

[1GOD1JESUS]

there is no such thing as reincarnation

[1BustedMyth]

@1GOD1JESUS ,

There is no such thing as God, Jesus was just a Human being, the Bible is a fairy storey written by Humans to control other Humans, most faith is based in the fear of reality.

[SpamAnn]

1God1JESUS isnt actually a christian;) he does parodies on christianity

[1BustedMyth]

@SpamAnn

Whoops!, thanks, in that case I love you 1GOD1JESUS :)

[kevin604bc]

You can review your pastlife while your still on earth. The world has been designed not to spiritually evolve. You don't really need to remember your past life in order to evolve. Just look at the negatives in your life which could be the cause of bad karma and try to change it one by one.

[ReeceWilliams1]

this is fucked ; you do 'come across' as a worship group', partaining through commments including the words 'lizard-men' directed at the comments.

YA the main sound through your head shakes foundations as cyberSPACE

[Kiddolinfen09]

She's a beautiful puppet of the Hadron Collider. It's all mainstream news.

[Kiddolinfen09]

Spam... what's all that stuff behind you?

[SpamAnn]

my weaponry arsenal.

Lol its the pc stuff from my dad

[Kiddolinfen09]

Looks like your building a robot. : D

[ahcult]

shes building a wmd of unimaginable porportions......... yes this device will make you disregard logic and common sense..

this device will make you stare at her beautifull face those ohh so lovely lips and then and only then will you begin to understand the equal money system

[Kiddolinfen09]

I almost forgot about the goddamn Equal Money thing... are you drunk dude? : )

[ahcult]

im not drunk im intoxicated from anns beauty its like a ray of hope of some kind.

We all need to worship her shes the equal money goddess.

[Kiddolinfen09]

Last night you said the Equal Money Goddess was Jamie McCall... now it's Spam.... tomorrow it'll be that fitness babe Charlie James...

[ahcult]

you jesuit mean spirited hitler i said ann is the equal money goddess there can be only one ... you think they should battle for goddessness? that kight be kinda sexy ill bet on ann and equip here with tools of mass eruption

[Kiddolinfen09]

Charlie vs Jamie would be interesting... though short... Charlie would kick her ass... Charlie does pull-ups and shit. Charlie IS Equal Money. lol

[ahcult]

lol ohh you chinese spy ill be in the background with a ........ to make sure ann doesnt fail ....) before its all over ann will be a trutopian goddess I didnt plan for goiddesses but she wil be one anyway ..

i just have to get her to leave her parents house .....

[Kiddolinfen09]

Stop being such a Plane-hugger and tell her how you feeeeel.

Oh wait, you have been....

...do it again!!! : D

[ahcult]

ok i love her wonderous hope ,,,i love her naive visions for humanity without logic,,

i love her beautifull flowing hair ... I love her sexy look hey shes just sexy ...those lips damm those lips her minds even hotter ... i love HOW she tellss me you believe this shit ..tells me to stop the bs .... thats just hot ......

no kiddo spamann is so fucking goddess like i just dont know what to say .

id make her breakfast every morning and id serve it to her in bed cuz im so NIcE

[Kiddolinfen09]

!!!!rotujdaoC tiuseJ

[TheTrutopianlife]

avb

need i say more do you know who i am

lol equal money is childs play ..

real visionarys think with logic and common sense to progress humanity

[Kiddolinfen09]

Equal Money was started by Ex-Sceintlogists...

[TheTrutopianlife]

i judge no one not even scientilogist  this ann looks like a beautifull goddess though :)

you think shell be under trutopian sheets before its all over

[Kiddolinfen09]

I thought Ma had ruined the sheets with a red sock... just before Big Jim got castrated by marauding Highway Patrol Men and had to take a blood transfusion from a...

Where is my lighter?

Spam is fkn beautiful... but she's RED. Which means she works for HAARP and the Jesuit Lizard-men... you know this man. Ask yourself, 'Do I know this?'.... I think you'll find, you know this. This is something you know. More than know. KNOW. No?

[SpamAnn]

wtf stop the bs ok, my appearance is just a picture dont be deceived by pictures. Worshipping is for slaves and if you worship me youll get dissapointed. I am not special at all, I am like any other human in my own proces.

[WeiWuHere]

Accepting abuses/atrocitie/sufferings/pa­ins to continue in this world is accepting abuses/atrocitie/sufferings/pa­ins within ourselves and this becomes our accepted nature -- thus karma created -- we then have to face ourselves for us to see what we have accepted and allowed which does not stand as Life as what is best for all. Past lives are irrelevant. What is relevant is whether we stand and Live as what is best for all Here in every moment or not -- we face our accepted nature accordingly.

[WeiWuHere]

Karma, if I have to use such a word, is created the moment when one does not stand equal and one Here and direct/live as Life as all as one as equal as what is best for all. Now each beings' world has been inverted -- each face what we accept and allow within ourselves AND within the world as ourselves -- we are not only responsible for ourselves as an individual but also for all as ourselves. --continue

[WeiWuHere]

From my understanding, cause and effect is true in Existence which is also the principle of equality and oneness: we manifest what we accept and allow ourselves to be one with and equal to -- but previously this is not applicable on an individual level because effect is manipulated for some beings to take the consequences of other beings -- on the whole the manifested consequence as the current world situation still reflects the cause as our accepted nature as self-abuse. --continue

[ArachonidMembrain]

i think,karma=balanced existences, for good done reward for evil punishment it has a cosmic relevance,Einstein theory of relativity could be described as Karma,as it's said, energy can not be destroyed , but passes through forms,and its thought by some our sole/spirit,is such an enegery

its thought by others that the sole and spirit in combination=us as our personality our abilities ,and our life force the liner traveller i think the Egyptian book of the dead called it the ka and ba ??

[MaleAdaptor]

I believe in karma. I also believe it works on different levels. The shit that is about to hit US for instance is karma in action.

When you see a starving child how ever, you should show compasion because it it is the right thing to do. You invoke karma in your actions as well as your in-actions.

[bryphi77]

there is no proof of karma just like there is no proof of jesus. Believing in one is just like believing in the other!!!!!

[deliciousonionsoup]

The "law of Karma" is a Buddhist and Hindu belief / accepted thing. But it's also de facto part of Christianity too. It's crept into Islam too. In Christianity and Islam, just as in Buddhism and Hinduism, "reap what you sow" / karma is used to keep people in their places / to keep the elite positon alive and to make the non elite either strive to become part of that elite or else to suffer their non-elite existence in this lifetime. Really though it's all just a pile of crap.

[IntiHehlua]

I think everyone should try past life regression. It doesn't work for closed-minded people, which means only psychologists could observe certain deviants about these people. Some people can't even remember things that happened in this life. I believe in Karma in this life. I believe in reincarnation, without and within this reality. I think that people are open-minded, they can change their corrupt ways. They can see the correct way to live in harmony with nature, which means with one another.

[SpamAnn]

but no one does and this planet still works the same. Starving children just suffer. It is of no use. Abuse cannot be allowed. Past life regression isnt necessary, all you need is to direct yourself in self honesty in this life.

[peaceme11]

Abuse IS THERE, deal with it. Face it, to change it. Stop ignoring and trying to assume it doesn't exist by saying oh its not allowed. Accept IT IS APART OF THIS REALITY that WE NEED to face in ourselves. We all created this reality. Destini is trying to program you by using her principles where she was thrown of her own universe to this one, so she can feed her ego. She is playing a dangerous game by trying to mass program ppl on this site. Spamann just STOP repeaing her bullshit

[somebo222]

Who determines where one borns? God punishes us? Is karma somekind of universal law? How could it work? On what principles does it work?

Karma is a very dubious subject. I believe in reincarnation but not in karma.

This a just a game and nothing more. Good and evil exist only in our heads. There's only bliss outside this human experience; incarnations on earth are only a break from the bliss so that we can enjoy it again more fully.

[SpamAnn]

the excuse of "bliss" is used to keep people ignorant and "accept things the way they are". while abuse continues and "good people" do nothing about it and stay numb and asleep.

if you need suffering to enjoy bliss, then you are in a state of enslavement. It is what we have allowed on this earth, and its very abusive, we actually create the abuse that way. So we have to stop depending on that energy of feelings.

[somebo222]

I don't oppose reforms. I agree that mankind is enslaved. But then again, I don't care. I care about bliss. A near death experience made me believe in bliss, not in mankind. Maybe it would be best to nuke this planet off the space.

I only observe. You all do the work.

See you in the bliss!

[SpamAnn]

thats how yuo got fucked,by your near death experience. You had so much believe in it, that you became a slave to it. without self honestly looking at the experience and how you are just used as a playball.

Sorry but bliss wont be there, it was just a deception to keep you numb, and it worked.

[somebo222]

Became a slave? No, I'm a slave only on earth. There I was free. If you call longing for freedom as slavery, that's fine! There's no one judging anybody, not playing with our heads - or maybe is. All that Desteni channeling crap is so awesome!

The bliss will be there.

Suffering is here

Don't play socialist.

[SpamAnn]

You had the perception you were free, and were braught into a state of numbness to accept the state of "bliss" to keep yourself trapped in it while the world suffers.

[ViktorHansEmanuel]

What we accept and allow is here. What is out there is what we accept and allow here.

[somebo222]

Assuming that there is God, He is not in great value from the - let's say - Desteni reformists' perspective.

Since God doesn't do anything! It just observes. I have understood this well. I stand by God, the non-doer, the observer.

I'm not God's slave. I'm his friend. And I'm like it.

Hahaha. Isn't it mad?

[SpamAnn]

no your just a believe slave. god only exists in your head

[peaceme11]

lol

[peaceme11]

SpamAnn who created the deception lol...

[peaceme11]

Your creating more attention and energy to abuse by judging it. Your not facing it for what it is, its an act of being. Are you changing it, or your just repeating the behaviour over and over?

[jesperhultkrantz]

Yes, solutions!

[cain825]

Karma is nonsense!

[iloveterriers]

This is why I don't understand why parents have kids. These parents are too stupid to even know how to break the hold the system has on them, and they want to bring more lives to become dependent on the system. Luckily, some of us broke out of the thought patterns our parents tried to instill in us.

[Gunnarsguns]

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