Marriage and The Teachings of Jesus Christ (Prop 8)

[Belovedtita25]

Im sorry this is what religions do, they take away the relationship with Jesus and waterdown the gospel to their liking.. Mormons have some twisted history, they do not follow scripture, theu even believe in becoming Gods and inheriting their own planet, the elders have occult rituals , God deliver them from the deceit!

[519waterloo]

Homosexuality is an abomination. What if i fall in love with a german shephard (dog). According to the logic of this video, who's to say that having sex with a dog is wrong? I could label anyone who judges me as prejudice. And if enough people get into beastiality and campaign for marriages to be allowed between humans and animals, in thoery, they could be granted marriage licenses. Sex is not complicated. Its between a man and a woman. Thats it!

[ToThisEndWasIMormon]

3 Nephi 3:11

[DefendingMormonism]

While I respect your intentions, you unfortunately misunderstand the gospel and have twisted the scriptures to suit your own needs. Why not address any of the myriad of scriptures that decry homosexuality? Can you sincerely skip over all of the doctrines regarding chastity and purity and feel good about your interpretation of the Word of God?

As Mormons, we are certainly taught to love all people, including those who live an alternative lifestyle. However, we are told to abhor sexual sin.

[SummerSunshine1988]

Okay, this is ridiculous. Instead of getting all bent out of shape over something we have no control over, how about everybody take a deep breath and learn to live by the Serenity Prayer. And, by the looks of some of these comments, take a sedative if necessary.

[pradeeptubeu]

YOU AINT GOT NO PANCAKE MIX!!!

[1stnupe05]

Genesis 2:22-23 (NKJV) Then the rib which the LORD God had taken from man He made into a woman, and He brought her to the man. 23 And Adam said: "This is now bone of my bones And flesh of my flesh; She shall be called Woman, Because she was taken out of Man."

Genesis 2:24 (NKJV) Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.

[phelpsou812]

Are you stupid! Have you actually ever seen a bible? Get married, be gay, so what. Prop 8- I dont care about. Whatever kind of sick, accultistic, piece of garbage believes that this is biblical, would be too sufficated in their own ignorance to comprehend the word of God.

[phelpsou812]

Since The Bible is being a claimed basis- 1Corinthians6:9- Do you not know that the unrighteous will not ingerit the kingdom of God? Do not be decieved. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, (wow, dosent that sound specific).

[Death2Bigots]

Hey Phelps Phags, why don'tcha tell us about how God says if a girl is raped the rapist is to pay the poppa 50 shekels and permanently marry the victim (Deut. 22, 28-29) I hope the Phelps daughters follow that one in the event they get raped, also beating your slaves is alright as long as they live a few days (Exo. 21, 20-21) and then there's Deut. 13, 13-19 which says it's totally ok to go jihad on a whole city and burn it to the ground if its residents worship a different god than you.

[cockyz]

Thank you for making this video!

Thank you for its positive and loving message.

[Yeshua777Yaweh]

no man should lay with another man like he lays with a woman..........does not nature its self teach us that homosexuality is wrong

[utgeekmattie1]

Marriage has always been defined by Jesus and also by society as a relationship between a man and a woman. Also, only a man and a woman can create a gay son or daughter.

I myself have affinity for the same sex, but I would not dare quote Jesus out of context using some of his scriptures to support a marriage different than when He said that a man should leave father and mother and cleave unto his wife. We should love our neighbors and extend basic rights; but this is different than marriage.

[Brooklynn81]

This is blasphemy. Jesus please come and end this....

[cockyz]

Blasphemy? This message of love is not blasphemy. Blasphemy is the deliberate, willful actions of many religious groups to hurt an entire spectrum of fellow citizens out of spite and fear grounded in ridiculous superstitions paraded as religious belief.

[Brooklynn81]

@cockyz Love? You don't even know what love is...Jesus is love and how HE interprets it is how it is... Because he is the way the truth and the life...Now he loves the homosexual, but hates the homosexuality. He loves the sinner but hates the sin. When we love Christ we are accepting his way and his lifestyle This christ-like nature, anything opposite of creation is anti-creation/antichrist. We you throught the bible grasps the concept of love, you'd understand what I am sharing.

[cockyz]

@Brooklynn81 Thank you for presuming to know what's in my heart. Oh, and thank you so much for your condescending attitude of "we luvs da sinna but we hates da sin". Bullshit! Total hypocrisy and you know it. You hate the homos and you call us sinners and want us to disappear from your view. What homophobic Christianists really spout is hate, not God's love. I say you need to look at your motives a little more closely, Brooklynn81. I'd say the real blasphemy is what you are spouting.

[Brooklynn81]

@cockyz Dear sir or maam...I never tried to read your mind...You are sharing your feelings...I am sharing the word of God, not my feelings. I am telling you what the bible says and express. If you studied the bible instead of using your feelings to discern what is right or wrong..You would know everything I am sharing here tonight..I am not homo phobic...If i were i would have absolutely no problem sharing that view. But I speak only what I read and study...

[cockyz]

@Brooklynn81 Fact #1 (not a feeling) This video aims to communicate with Christians to help them wrest with doctrines in Christianity used to beat down homosexual people. Fact #2 You react to it as if you **feel** you have God's inerrant word and others don't. Fact #3 Trillions of people (today and over the millions of years of the existence of human species) have never heard Christianity's message of "salvation" and, thankfully, never will. But, have you even watched this video?

[Brooklynn81]

@cockyz I can see you are offended. And the Bible says a man offended is harder than an army of a strong city. Look, I am only saying what the bible says. Thus saith The Lord. If the Bible says it, why would a (True) christian have a problem with it? This a simple question.

[cockyz]

@Brooklynn81 Offended? You sure do presume a lot. Again, have you watched the video? Have you any idea what the subject is in this video? It's about people's lives. And loves. Watch the video, then get back to me.

[Death2Bigots]

@cockyz - "Oh, and thank you so much for your condescending attitude of "we luvs da sinna but we hates da sin". Bullshit! Total hypocrisy and you know it. You hate the homos and you call us sinners and want us to disappear from your view." Just like Klanfags in the 50's. "We don't hate blacks, we just don't want them going to our kids' schools or worse, banging our children and diluting the white race!" Churchies also used the Bible to back their hates then just like they do now.

[rickydepths1]

Strange doctrine. All manner of sin will be judged by God alone. Many will turn from their rebellious ways. It is up to the person if they want to continue in immorality and garb it in a cloak of holiness. Stealing, adultery, fornication, lying, etc it is all traits of the human sinful nature that can be oversome through Jesus Christ.

[diamante801]

We are not asking a church or religion to change for us, we only want the same basic protections that every human being is entitled to. I understand that not everyone agrees with how I live my life. Although we may have different points of view, we should refrain from name calling and offensive language. As for homosexuality itself and actually being gay, do not try to criticize and tear it down. You have not experienced it and therfore you can not understand it.

[ogirv101]

I voted for Prop 8 not because of Christianity, rather because they compared themseleves to blacks and hispanics in their struggles. I have always been sympatheti to gays, especially because Jesus told me to, but I think you would have been more ffective if you weren't a moromn, alot of people don't likemormons especially because they believe blacks are going to hell for being black.

[cryan71]

"rather because they compared themseleves to blacks and hispanics in their struggles"

Please show me the commericial that did this. You are lying.

[speedjounetsu]

you all are like a mouse trying to understand the origin of the Universe .

Stop thinking with your limited human minds such as : "God said ... so we should ... " or "it is OK because it is written in the Bible"

Begin to "think with your heart" , to feel your soul , to connect with that part of God that is inside us , and stop Fucking rasonating !!!

[SNIPEQUEST]

I think this video picks and chooses areas in the bible to support; No on 8.

[PropheticObserver]

Excellent proof of LDS being a cult. Good work!

For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

Romans 1:26-27 (KJV)

[Death2Bigots]

@PropheticObserver - Brigham Young and other LDS leaders said stuff like "If the White man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God, is death on the spot. This will always be so" as well as "It is very clear that the mark which was set upon the descendants of Cain was a skin of blackness..." But should that be a shock? I mean they're getting this shit from Christianity, it's not like Mormons are the only people who think it.

[manners75]

God made us who we are, people are born gay, so this is the way God intended them to be. God is LOVE. If you love someone so much you marry them, be it Boy/Girl, Boy/Boy, Girl/Girl because in the eyes of the lord you become as one! Lust is an abomination to the lord, fornication, lust, sex without love and before marriage is the work of the devil, wether your gay or not gay! God is Love

[JohnPatrickM]

Born gay? How do you know?

Are people born or merely conditioned based on countless environmental and circumstantial factors, choices, and/or habitual responses?

[kariyiljose]

really then God wouldnt have created the first human beings on the planet as male and female. He would have gone for male-male or female-female. brother pray to God to help u overcome this feelings. He is always ready to help only if u first wish to. No one is born a thief. situations turn them or they themselves get enslaved to that feeling. May God help u brother

[radiospirit]

Homosexuality is wrong. Period. Anybody can see that. It is learned behavior. Don't give me that B.S. about being born that way... Yes, there are missteps in developement where people are born with both sex glands, but you have to draw the line somewhere.

[radiospirit]

Homosexuality is an abomination in the eyes of the Lord your God.

Do you really think that God approves of gay marriage?

[tiemannorm]

You are an abomination in the eyes of the Lord..

You are going to have a hard time in hell you homophobic piece of dog turd.

I suppose you think slavery is okay as well because it is in the bible...You fool.

[radiospirit]

It's not about me...

It's about all of the confused people out there.

I'm all good...

Slavery is going on today. No, the Bible says to not be a slave to anything.

Old Testament is about Law. Slavery was a part of the laws back then. Slavery was a part of the laws just 150 years ago.

So, you see ... you can't wish it away.

And we are all accountable...

[tiemannorm]

So why do christians always bleat on about homosexuals and all that crap that is in the old testament......Now go guote me the bit Paul says about gays to back up your stupid argument.

You are blind and full of hatred towards your fellow man.

Gay people will win out against right wing Christians susch as yourself. Because the real god loves everybody, not just biggots who think by uttering Jesus name they will automatically be forgiven.

Stop judging others or your off to hell dude!!!

[radiospirit]

Ummm... I'm really not that concerned about being destroyed in the "Lake of Fire" upon Judgement Day.

Has the lesson of Lot's wife been lost on you? Sodom and Gemorrah is just a fable? I don't think so ... but you're welcome to believe that.

Stories told to children? I don't think so .. but you're welcome to your opinion.

God doesn't sanction homosexuality. Neither do I ... but I don't actively seek to remove them from the face of the Earth.

God has though...

[tiemannorm]

So now you are saying the old testiment is correct. Better make your mind up stupid. Jesus was suppose to have re written that.

So you biggoted dick head...I really hope you do go to heaven because with you twisted views you are going to have some major problems.

And when is the last time you had a conversation with god, or are they just the voices in that lunatic head of yours.

[radiospirit]

Oh... so you prick mother fucker. What kind of fuck up piece of shit wouldn't believe in God? So, I see you are an Atheist, well good...

Let's see how far that gets your cocksuckin' pussy lickin' fat piece of retarded limo shitstain...

A real numbnuts you are... cockbite .. mother fuckin' trailer trash imbecile...

Jeez... Next...

[tiemannorm]

Oh I like you, did you get that out of the Bible, It took a while but at least now everybody can see who you really are....Thank you (O:

[janonda42]

What a beautiful video. I wish I would have found your site and this video while I was actively campaigning against prop 8 on YT. I would ahve made this my featured video.

All Blessings to you~

[acorison]

hmmm . . .

[SavageLizard]

I guess if YOU choose to live your life according to a book written thousands of years ago and an invisible man in the sky, that's YOUR business. If obeying those things allows you to live in heaven on a magic cloud, or avoid an evil devil guy who lives in a big fire pit, have at it.

Just please leave the rest of us out of it, and don't tell the us how to live our lives.

[CaptainVideo890]

You believe that the world would be a better place if people didn't try to impose their views on others?

[TrueHatred1980]

There are so many conflicting saying in the bible and that is why everyone is so torn in two about Prop8. In the end, it is a moral thing. Why does it matter if gays go to hell or not? You should let people do what they want to do in life. If there is a "hell" for gays that is. Separate religion from moral values and stop using the bible as "evidence" and as a "reason" why you hate gays. Unless you are completely brainwashed into religion and do everything the bible tells you to do.

[sunbro37e6]

Right on, Dude! And Leviticus is outdated. It prohibits eating shellfish and prohibits wearing two types of cloth in the same garment, just as prominently as the gay verse these bigots always cite. Therefore Leviticus is garbage, outdated, just as is the verse in the Bible that tells one how to sell one's daughter into slavery in a way that would be okay with God. That verse is outdated just as their gay-hating verse in Leviticus is outdated.

[CaptainVideo890]

Yeah, but homosexuality is defined as a sin in FOUR DIFFERENT BOOKS of the Bible.

[SouthernGent55]

No! Jesus affirmed the "MALE & FEMALE" union in Matthew 19. Get your facts right before you mislead people. God would NEVER condone, promote, propagate, and approve homosexual marriage! Leave Our Savior and Lord out of your faulty logic. Gay people are condemned, thus saith the Lord!

[bighead5559]

thus say the lord... right? how about you get your "facts" right.

Leviticus 20:9/If anyone curses his father or mother, he must be put to death.

Exodus 21:20-21 If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property.

[CaptainVideo890]

Yeah, but the Bible makes it clear that those laws are defunct since Jesus died for our sins. Why don't you actually READ the Bible before dragging it into an argument?

[bighead5559]

i don't care about the bible... i shouldn't be the backbone of our constitution. and god wouldnt create someone just to send them to hell

[CaptainVideo890]

Actually, this has nothing to do with the constitution. You implied that the Bible isn't morally correct by digging up some obscure Bible verse that doesn't even have any meaning anymore. You got one thing right, though, you do have a big head.

[bighead5559]

yah im saying the bible should become are countries laws... you people are trying to shove the bible down everyones throat... and they arent "obscure bible versus"... they are just plain bible versus which are found in the same chapter as the one which talks about homosexuality... you cant say i believe in the bible except for all of those versus... its like saying i play baseball but i dont beleive in strikes and outs... just all the good stuff

[CaptainVideo890]

I understand what you're saying, but the Bible itself says that Jesus graciously accepted the punishment for everyone's sins, gay and straight, so that we don't have to. But homosexuality is defined as a sin in four different books, Old and New Testament. Like you said, we have to take the Bible at face value and not just pick and choose.

[sunbro37e6]

Homosexuality is repulsive to you personally. This has nothing to deo with the Bible. This is YOUR bigotry, and that's ALOL this is about. Don't try to hide behind Leviticus. You cannot hide your hatred for people different from you. Christ LOVED porostitutes, tax collectors, gays, enemies, EVERYONE. Why don't you learn from Christ??

[CaptainVideo890]

Are you saying that because Jesus loved prostitutes, tax collectors, gays, and enemies that he was condoning their sinful lifestyles?

[sunbro37e6]

First, I disagree that their lifestyles are sinful. What would be sinful is to not love your God with your heart, mind and soul, or to NOT love your neighbor as yourself. The craziness of the Yes on Prop 8 people is NOT "loving your neighbor as yourself".. Therefore, the sinning is the "Yes on Prop 8 Craziness". It is bigotry, not love.

[CaptainVideo890]

What if the government wanted to legalize prostitution or government corruption? If I voted no to that, am I being a bigot?

[ambybambii]

i can see where this nation was built on religion and everything, but whatever happened to SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE? i think i'll marry whoever i choose to marry and no religious bullshit will stop me.

[CaptainVideo890]

Yeah, but marriage is "religious bullshit." If you really want separation of church and state, go get a civil union.

[kr8ve1]

The bible is FULL of hypocritical passages. Its what you choose to believe is the direction you want to follow in your heart. Also explain why there is no talk of lesbians in the bible?

[LLroomtempJ]

Read romans 1. Read 1 cor 6. There is clear teaching on the sinfulness of practicing homosexuality.

The bible says that no homosexual will enter the kingdom of heaven.

The bible is not full of hypocritical nor contradictory passages. Scripture is to be compared with scripture. A poor understanding of the gospel of Jesus Christ will lead to a poor understanding of most scripture and its purpose.

The foundation of the church is the gospel of Jesus Christ as it is known through the bible.

[12345fraser]

when is polygammy gonna be leagalized???

[nelsdawg]

Funny you should use amiguous and generalized scriptures to prove your point when there plenty of other scriptures that are much more specific on the matter that contradict everything you are trying to prove. "Children are entitled to birth within the bonds of matrimony, and to be reared by a father and a mother who honor marital vows with complete fidelity". - proclamation to the family.

this does not involve equal rights, their rights were equal before they chose to deny them.

[JavierCA2008]

I cannot believe you hijacked the teachings of Jesus Christ to promote gay marriage

The apostles who have been ordained as a witness of Jesus Christ have spoken against gay marriage

It is one thing to be attracted to people of the same sex and deal with temptations, but to openly promote something God has repeated said no to is ridiculous

[billbuelna]

Nice spin.. but using LDS scriptures does justify gay marriage. The Lord has no question love for all, regardless. I just dont see the Lord conducting a gay marriage. I do feel sorry for members that are gay. I dont have any answers, only what President Hinckley said. We love all our brothers and sisters. If gays want to call it something else, not taught in schools, not holding religious organizations to change. I would vote do it all day long.

[Djbearrob]

Separation of church and state!

People used the bible to justify slavery, and to justify the ban on inter-racial marriage.

The popular ban on inter-racial marriage in the South was overturned by judges (Loving v Virginia) - just like the ban on gay marriage. The judges realized that equality under the law applies to everyone.

[LLroomtempJ]

separation of church and state is not the removal of the christian conscience from the public sphere, but rather the state staying out of the church's business. Look it up and read it for yourself. Your definition of Schurch&state is ideological bigotry.

your arguments are lame because i could make a similar argument by saying something like "i saw a gay man molest a child, therefore vote yes on prop 8". Does that invalidate the progay argument? NO. then neither does your inane rhetoric.

[ToThisEndWasIMormon]

@LLroomtempJ - very well put

[atmatheprophet]

Thank you for posting this. God loves all his children and I know that God wants his children to share the love that He has given them.

[LLroomtempJ]

2 tim 4:1-5 was written to describe people like you.

The standard of truth is all of scripture. All scripture is God-breathed. not just the parts that make you feel good. God is holy and in him is no unrighteousness.

I believe that people should have the right to promote the homosexual lifestyle, but i believe that it is disingenuos and WRONG to try and do it under the umbrella of christianity.

and one more thing. mormons are not christians. they are just social conservatives.

[joshchambers1]

The scripture about adding or subtracting is found a number of times in the Bible, including in the Old Testament. Plus, we added nothing to the Bible, we just received more through a prophet, just as the Bible was received. Good luck on using 2000 year old instructions though.

[alecton]

Why is GAY SEX a sin?

[CaptainVideo890]

'Cuz its in the Bible. Next to fornication and incest.

[spasiboalisher]

NO on 8! GAYS ARE  PEOPLE TOO!!!

[ChicanoLA]

This is a great video, the crazy thing is though people like to hate and they will hold on to one or two things in the bible that supports them to hate... Its crazy cause these so called holy Christian people are all so angry and hateful, I would think if you had God in your heart that his love would overpower those feelings...guess you guys like following your false prophets and following your leaders that are all super rich, cheating on their wives or trying to get dick in airports.

[Sonicsickle]

Anyone listening to Mormons teach scripture is lost before he even begins. Mormons don't have scripture. the have extra-biblical material posing as the truth. what deception, and right under the noses of supposed intelligent people. i was baptized Mormon and have known many, there is no truth or redemption in it, only continued adherence to cultic designs and demonic forces. the vilest woman I ever met happened to be mormon. but, i think they revised beliefs now to include blacks

[Sonicsickle]

Here's an excerpt from a song I wrote a few years ago, when another liberal was in office: "Truth is what you make it, Just add milk and bake it; Preheat to 400 degrees, Pass the ketchup please!" (ketchup makes the "meal" of your agrument taste better, but not really -- at least there's ketchup) "Your truth is just a joke, Mr. Clinton didn't toke; One lie covers another, 'Tell me about your mother'" You are all lost in the dark, scampering for light, but none is given to you.

[CaptainVideo890]

Another liberal? Dude, I don't think Bush is a liberal.

[rlv4god]

I am sorry, but you are mistaken by believing that the word of God is even found in your book of Mormons! - The bible (God's actual word) specifies that you shoul not add or delete from his word. What you quote as "scripture" is NOT found in the bible at all. God created the sanctity of marriage to be between a man & a woman. He created Adam & Eve, NOT Adam & STEVE!!! - Go back to the B.I.B.L.E. (Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth) and find God's TRUE word for our life here on earth!

[ChicanoLA]

Adam and Eve! They are the two heterosexuals that brought sin to all man and got us all kicked out of the garden of Eden...why are they always brought up?

[CaptainVideo890]

Because they epitomize intimate relationships. They were the ideal couple, created by God.

[jereksgospel]

If the "God ordained marriage between a man and a woman", then the state should not recognize heterosexual marriage either. We live in a country with separation of church and state. If however, denying me the right to marry is religious in nature, then in our country it has no business being legislated or voted upon. You cannot vote a minority's rights away in this country, just because you and a bunch of other morons, feel like it. Supreme Court will, sooner or later nullify religious bills.

[pattersondsmccd]

Beautiful video! Thank you very much! This is exactly the kind of message that all of our LDS sisters and brothers need to consider before voting. Thank you very much. You have restored my faith in the LDSs. Thank you!

[dobiegee]

RD1999:

Homosexuality isn't an option, it's a trait, like having blue eyes or being tall or short. Do you advocate teaching kids that the feelings that they were born with are wrong? Why would you want to instill self-hatred in your own children? Don't you think that children need unconditional love?

Would Jesus hate gay children? Does your version of Jesus hate?

YOU ARE THE LORD'S HANDS!

VOTE NO ON 8, NO ON HATE!

[CaptainVideo890]

Actually, that's not even scientifically accurate.

[pandrus23]

"If we campaign and vote contrary to these teachings of Jesus Christ can we really call ourselves Christians?"

The answer is 'yes'. Otherwise you are saying that the leadership of the LDS church is not Christian. Than again, you might be among those that think that Mormons aren't Christians.

I am with the opponents of prop 8 that say we should keep religion out of this. You don't want me voting 'Yes' for religious reasons, so why should I vote 'No' for religious reasons?

YES ON PROP 8

[SavageLizard]

Nah, we just want you to vote NO on common sense reasons.

[CaptainVideo890]

This isn't common sense. If you said that "gays are people, too" in a Muslim community, they would laugh their asses off and then stone you. Whether or not homosexuality is wrong is an opinion, unless, of corse, there is a transcendent moral order ordained by God. But God couldn't exist now, could he?

[ANGLEBOOT]

Gays are atheist, so why being the Bible into something that gays don't believe in anyway? Cause if they did, they wouldn't be gay.

[Stoogeguy]

you are ignorant crawl out from under your rock!

[Stoogeguy]

mt responce was to angel boot no on 8!!

[ANGLEBOOT]

i'll come out from my rock as soon as gays crawl back into their closet.

They made the chioce to live that way, so live it and stop want what non-gays have.

Talk about wanting their pie and eat it to.

[macknwilly]

Is that the same pie you are eating? You should re write this, it does not make sense.

[ANGLEBOOT]

The advantages of the marriage. One can cliam to be a wife. As so either can cliam to be the wife at different times. But as a husbands only, both will claim to be the husband.

It brews from the fact, if a man and wife goes to get a car or home loan their incomes as a married couple are added togather. But as to gay men their intrest is high or not allowed at all. But one getting ti claime he is a woman or a wife he can.

They made the choice, live with it.

[Bullken]

If being gay were a choice then logically that would qualify being straight as a choice. Did you choose to be straight or were you just born that way? Homosexual activity is found in a vast majority of mammal species-read the science if you can keep an open mind and not allow your fundamentalist bias to get in the way. You are not representative of the love Christ commisioned his followers to practice. I know you probably wont see it that way. Use your god given brain, not dogma and fear. Peace

[ANGLEBOOT]

everyone somewhat come to that point in life. Some may take but one thought of it, and that's it. Some dwell on it for days,weeks,months or years. Some go as far as try it.

I'm one of those that the though was buta split second. Just that one thought of having some guy butt slam me. And it was gone. Nope it's women and only women.

Whiteones

tan ones

black ones

Just as long as it female, and human. And

laughs,giggles,walks and talks and hasn't been dead over 3 days.

[CaptainVideo890]

That's not "logical" at all. Heterosexuality is the only way to beget children, therefore, it is the default mode. However, it takes a conscious choice to pervert the very purpose of copulation.

[Bullken]

again you are allowing your bias to define your views. Heterosexuality is not the only way to beget children. You can do it in a test tube. Of course in your mind that would be satanic and yet another sign of the end of days! So you believe that gay people choose to be gay. You are entitled to that. But do not say it is fact because you would be really overstepping. I think you choose to be an ignorant idiot....just my opinion =)

[CaptainVideo890]

Of course I'm allowing my bias to define my views. So are you. You can't scientifically prove that homosexuality isn't a choice.

[Bullken]

if you have ever masturbated then you have consciously chosen to pervert the very purpose of copulation. I guess you are fucked. LOL

[CaptainVideo890]

I'm not fucked. Neither are you. Or the gays. Jesus loves everyone. He died for our sins. Why do you hate him so much?

[Bullken]

Why do you think I "hate" Jesus??? You again are allowing your own bias to skew your rationality. And if you believe that Jesus loves everyone and he asked us to be as him then why do you feel homesexuals are less than human and are not deserving of the same rights as heterosexuals?? Dont you think it would be more prudent to be a follower of his in a humble manner rather than trying to make your opinions into law or manipulating your opinions and then call them scientifically valid? Peace

[sunbro37e6]

The truth is that homosexuality is repulsive to YOU, not to Jesus. Shame on you, you bigot. If you want to hate, hate yourself, hater.

Jesus LOVES...and you do not. So you are NOT of GOD. Hypocrite. May God have mercy on your hateful soul.

Is this the most important issue of the day? Why don't you HELP people rather than try to keep people from committing their lives to each other? God does NOT condone your actions here. Look in the mirror, sinner.

[CaptainVideo890]

Jesus himself said that marriage is to be between a man and a woman, which implicitly implies that homosexual marriage is wrong. And of course I'm a sinner. That's in the Bible, too. Are you saying that you've never sinned?

[Bullken]

Verse please? and which version. From my recollection Jesus spoke about divorce not marriage between a man a woman. Please supply the verse and bible version. Try reading the literal translation from the original coptic/greek/hebrew manuscripts- its alot different and you can find it on the net. A quick google search will yield some good sources.

There is no heaven and there is no hell. No invisible god, no evil devil. There is only LOVE.

Peace

[CaptainVideo890]

You can't be serious. How can you accuse me of misunderstanding the Bible if you're going to claim that there is no heaven, hell, god, or devil? Granted, my understanding of the Bible might benefit from a more literal translation, but how can you make these audacious heresies? You're just disregarding huge passages of the Bible for no reason other than to support your opinions.

[Bullken]

So where is the verse??? and which version?? instead of giving me a non-response why havent you answered my question. The concepts of heaven and hell are not even Judeo-Christian. They were adopted from Zoroastrianism. Mono-theism was adopted from Zoroastrianism too. I have made no heresy, I merely have provided facts that are provable. You can either be rational or believe in the old book of jewish fairy tales. (no offense to Jewish people!)

[CaptainVideo890]

Are you seriously saying there's no God?

[Bullken]

where is the verse?? which version??? still waiting for your sources. And yes I am seriously saying there is no god as it has been taught to you. There is no old man, with a long white beard and an unused penis floating in a white cloud covered oasis. There is a higher order to all of existence, religion is just an antiquated form of trying to come to terms with that higher order. More death, discrimination has come from religion (of any kind) than any other institution.

[sunbro37e6]

I have the capacity to love people different than myself, just as Jesus did. Many pastors oppose Prop. 8 because they feel it distracts from the Christians duty to follow the example of Jesus. There were many un-Biblical practices in Jesus day, but He focused on preaching about the present and future kingdom of God, healing the hurting and caring for the least of these.

[CaptainVideo890]

Wait, so you're saying the church should compromise its principals to avoid controversial issues?

[SavageLizard]

What about sterile people and people who choose not to reproduce? Are they also perverting the very purpose of copulation? Are these people then not allowed to marry, or have intercourse?

[CaptainVideo890]

A Catholic would say yes.

[sunbro37e6]

Gays and lesbians do not "choose" to be that way. Genetically, they ARE that way.

Do you hate dogs because they are not cats? or vice versa?

Gays and lesbians should be treated as full-fledged members of society. "Separate but equal" treatment is, on its face, discriminatory. (Brown vs The Board of Education)

[ANGLEBOOT]

it called sinful not "Genetically".

And all sin is by choice.

If i have a dog and it start to meow, I'll have it put down. or a cat that barks, I'll have it put down.

Now we do have men that think they are women and women that think they are men. When a person is that sick in the head we lock them up.

[CaptainVideo890]

It's not genetic! Where do you get this shit?

[illuminating23]

Talk about ignorant.Who says that "Gays are atheist"? Use your brain. I will pretend that your arguement has an element of logic for the moment(it doesn't, but for explanation it is required). Your statement "Cause if they(Gays) did(believe in the bible) they wouldn't be gay" is equal to saying If a person believed in the bible they would not fight in the war, they would not hate, they would not judge, they would not lie. You can not say who believes and who does not the teachings of the bible.

[ANGLEBOOT]

Me ignorant? You are the one that thinks there will be gays in heaven.

god didn't say anyone can be gay till they die then they can go to heaven, or anyone can be gay and go to heaven when I return.

no he say there will not be any sinners in heaven, and that being gay is a sin. and that man sin by choice.

If a gay person asked to be forgiven, and lives the life of a Christian. They won't live the life of a gay person. Plan as the nose on your face.

[jester1137]

When did Jesus say that being gay was a sin?

You want to follow Deuteronomy, quit eating pork and shellfish.

[ANGLEBOOT]

jester1137 go back to trackers.

[elphabarox]

but didn't jesus die for our sins?

a gay person can b a believer in christ, just because they love some1 of their sex doesn't mean they hate god.

yes they sin, but dont even act like you have never sinned before.

who are you, a sinner, to preach the word of god n put down others.

people r born this way they are exactly what god made them to b.

yes traditional marriage was between a man and woman, but if 2 people r in love they deserve the right to publicly show their commitment to each other

[rlv4god]

What you reference (Deuteronomy) is in the OLD Testiment, so those laws were created to atone oneself in order to be acceptable to God. Since then, we [Christians] are under a NEW covenant (New Testiment) because Christ died once for all so that we would become righteous in the sight of God. Legalistic ways are no longer valid for those who are in Christ Jesus. (Just something to consider.) ALSO...JESUS wasn't the one to say gay was a sin; God stated b4 him what all sins were. Focus: the Word

[jester1137]

And Where did God say homosexuality was a sin? In the same book you throw out so that you can eat lobster.

Other than that, you just have pauls letters headed "I, not God", which are nothing but his opinions.

You can't even read the Bible, old testemant or new. You don't know Hebrew, Aramaic, or Greek. Why should anyone listen to you?

[CaptainVideo890]

But an Angel appeared to Saint Peter in a dream and told him that it's okay to eat non-kosher foods now. Why don't you actually read the Bible instead of focusing on the verses that you find offensive?

[Yeshua777Yaweh]

Jesus did say being gay was a sin. He said rememeber the old laws of my father and keep them

[cockyz]

@Yeshua777Yaweh Have you watched this video? If not, please do. Okay, so, hmm... Old Testament laws for modern living, eh? Tell me then, when a child curses or disobeys a parent, who in your town will stone the child to death in accordance with Lev. 20:9? Ah, but Jesus freed us from the law, you reply. Of course. That is the doctrine. But when it pleases you, you whip out the Old Testament laws. Hypocritical! This video's message is love: doing to others as you would want them to do you.

[rd1999]

I'm conflicted, I don't want my kids to be taught that Homosexuality is an option. For those that are prone to be that way i don't want to deprive them of anything either.

I put it in the Lords hands

[mariosonline]

Homosexuality is not an option or choice.

[fireruby08]

I will assure you that CALIFORNIA schools will NOT teach homosexual marriage because schools do NOT teach heterosexual marriage. I can testify for this as I grew up in the California school system . The arguments you hear for the prop was the same exact argument for the Briggs initiative that would ban lgbt people from becoming teachers, school administer or anyone who support lgbt rights. They believed that gay teachers will make their children gay which is false.

[CaptainVideo890]

It's not false. Many children look up to their teachers, and try to imitate them. It's been scientifically proven that people who had homosexual role models as children are likely to become homosexuals themselves.

[Bullken]

your religious bias is evident- you believe in a space god and a man who was dead for 3 days then came to life and floated to heaven on a cloud.... and then you start talking about how science backs up your claims. LOLOLOL. Get over yourself and allow people their own freedom which they are entitled to.

[bighead5559]

you are so dumb... you cant be influenced to become gay... just like you werent born straight... are you saying if you started hanging with gay people now you would become gay

[SavageLizard]

Cite this scientific study please.

That's just idiocy. At some point as you mature, you start to find other people sexually attractive. I don't recall sitting down and weighing the pros and cons of both heterosexuality and homosexuality, looking at my role models, thinking a great deal on it, then deciding to be straight. That's just how it worked out, at some point I was attracted to girls. I'm sure it works the exact same way for gay people.

[CaptainVideo890]

I can cite a study, but I need time. Also, it is natural that you wouldn't be cognizant of the process, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen.

[rd1999]

"Homosexuality is not an option" so you will be voting yes I take it.

[mariosonline]

I meant i did not choose to be Gay or neither was it an option given to me at birth.

NO ON HATE

NO ON PROP 8!

[rd1999]

Dude I was just messing with ya, I know it is not a choice, I wish you the best.

[fireruby08]

Oh, please read up on history. Especially the Briggs initiative and Loving vs Virginia (Mildred Loving supports gay marriage because she believe Love is Love). Please wiki them so you can get a good picture and then make your decision.

[rd1999]

I have decided to remain neutral

[mantrice]

I appreciated your honesty in your comment. I am committed to being the one responsible for my own children. Society doesn't need to be afraid of committed couples. Iam voting No on 8.

[rd1999]

from some one Age: 107 I guess I have to take your advice

[Bullken]

read the prop- teaching gay marriage is not part of the prop. It is a non issue- gay or straight, every US citizen has the same rights guaranteed by our Constitution.