McCarthy and Richard Nixon learned how to red bait from Lyndon Johnson the master when LBJ used first used the tactic against Federal Power Commission chairman, Leyland Olds during his re-confirmation hearings in 1949. Johnson falsly accused Olds of being a card-carring communist - because Olds was causing problems for LBJ's rich Texas right-wing oil millionairs who helped LBJ, the mob, and the CIA assassinate JFK. ("LBJ - The Mastermind of JFK's Assassination" by Phillip F. Nelson (pub 2010)
You believe in class warfare, obviously. You are a tribalist who sees everything through the prism of class, race and gender. You think the job of the state is to punish the successful for being rich, and that the masses will hoot and cheer like medieval peasants.
You sound like a politics student efficiently brainwashed by the leftie educational establishment who blame capitalism for all of our predicament.
@happyuk06 and you sound like a viewer and listener of the likes of Glenn Beck, brainwashed by Faux News who blame socialism/communism/Muslims/gays/atheists/liberals/unions/the poor/the govt/Mexicans/etc/etc/etc for all of our predicament...
Saying theres different degrees of communism is as silly as saying theres different degrees of facism. Besides, Communist ideology might look perfect on paper, but at the end of the day it's still ran by human beings and therefore doomed to fail. The fact that it gives so much power to so few only means it will fail faster then other systems. And to prove the point, I don't see many people flocking to Communist countries in search of a better life. If you go, let me know how it works out 4 u.
It is the people who would take from those who earned it and give it to those who refuse to work that have no sense of decency. It is those who sneer at morality who have no sense of decency. It is those who don't appreciate the founding of our country who have no decency. They don't even believe in decency, because that implies a higher standard of truth to which we all are obligated by God. There is no such standard found in atheism or moral relativism.
Mccarthy was a neo nazi who runied peoples lives from hollywood to school teachers. along with mccarthy came red channels and the house of UN-american activities committee people he wanted hitlers views in the united states. The weavers were a big name folk group got axed because of this idiot
@davisfleetwood I think theres more to communism then just thinking the worlds resources should be shared by all. You kind of left out the part about dictatership, mass execution of civilians, persecution against any and all religions, censorship in all forms of media etc. But if you want to imply that it's utopia then feel free. It's your video.
@allenshepard Well a ton of people have been sensored, persecuted, imprisoned, and slaughtered by communist regimes. But I guess if in return you get bread lines, free health care, and a pro union government it's worth it.
@RDJ1109 of course there was different degrees of communism depending on the persons philosophy and of course its nothing now what it was back then, I had a few family friends that were communist card holders way back in the day and they were proud supporters of pete seeger and peoples songs ect. I grew up with all that music.
@revhowardgoss Yes I know thats its the home of the brave and the land of the free and this guy didnt have a soul in his body. These people did nothing wrong.
Enhanced careers? That’s a bizarre statement. You certainly don’t mean Loeb who was blacklisted in ’50, couldn’t find work, and committed suicide in ’55. Yes, it’s true the hunt for communists went well beyond McCarthy but he was a political opportunist and bully who added to the undermining of the constitutional ideals of free speech and expression. Why do you think Welch said what he did? Or Symington, or Murrow, or Herblock? Demogogues are alway a danger, as simple-minded people follow them.
@rha101 That's a complete lie, McCarthy ruined no one's career. The so-called "Hollywood Ten" (if that's what ur refering to) were Hollywood writers and directors who refused to testify at the 1947 HUAC hearings and had nothing to do with McCarthy, who was a Senator. Nevertheless, this is part of the myths and lore perpetuated by our Left-Wing media.
Name one person McCarthy ID'd as a Communist who wasn't.
@vince33x 300+ people had their careers damaged or destroyed including Walter Bernstein, Abraham Polonsky, Lester Cole, Arnold Manoff, Owen Lattimore, Elizabeth Flynn, Benjamin Keen, Zero Mostel, Irwin Shaw, Theodore Kagan, Samuel Rebar, Philip Loeb, Martin Ritt, Paul Sweezy, Waldo Salt. Garson Kanin, Carl Foreman, Lionel Stander, Howard Fast, Dolores del Rio . . .
@rha101 !st of all, with the exception of Owen Lattimore, who WAS a communist! None of those people had anything to do with the McCarthy hearings - which were SENATE hearings NOT HUAC hearings, which, in any case occurred 7 years BEFORE the McCarthy hearings. The sleaze media uses the nebulous term "McCarthy Era" to deliberately confuse people such as yourself. And who in that list had their career destroyed? If anything, their careers were enhanced by the HUAC hearings!
I'm not in denial of that. Lots of politicians drink too much. Using it as an excuse to ignore Communists in our country whom seek to do us harm is the denial. Its really stupid too.
@cozyfoxstudio You realize that if there even were people who supported communism it isn't within your constitutional rights to do anything about it? When the Soviets fell communism pretty much ceased to be a threat to us. Are you truly so stupid as to believe that there are communists waiting for the right time to overthrow the US? Are you really so paranoid? Communism is dying, there are only like five countries in the world who use it, and China doesn't really count, its more totalitarian.
@rahl182 Genius there are Communists running through the street and Unions calling for the overthrow of America and Capitalism. Today 2011. The Solviets may have been sidelined but these enemies with in have gone unpunished. Having free speech and conspiring to overthrow the government are two seperate things. Your excuse is sweet but has been fed to you by Communists under different names. It just has. Don't feel bad. I fell for it too.
@cozyfoxstudio Communists did NOT crash the WORLD's monetary system-Western CAPITALISTS did! Right out in the open FOR ALL TO SEE and NOT giving a shit about their fellow countrymen(whatever colour,creed or BS religion)What will it take for the people of the world to WAKE UP to the FACT=95% plus of the "money" out there is NOTHING BUT DIGITS magicked up out of THIN AIR on bankers computers and called "loans" EVERY penny/cent loaned-IS CREATED in secs="Now pay me back,WITH lNTEREST-till you DIE!"
@Slave2PaperWithInkOn Don't be stupid. Corruption by Progressive Globalists is not Capitalism, its Communism, Socialism, collective fraud, you idiot. Look at your own words. You are a pathetic beggar who thinks he's owed something, and will kill to steal it. You're a useful idiot, begging for slavery.
@cozyfoxstudio lm a pathetic beggar?(l slave for money grabbing CAPITALISTS)Who thinks im owed something?(yeah-all the years of MY LIFE spent slaving for worthless tokens imbued with a "magical" property called worth,by OUR OWNERS=Western Bankers!)And will kill?(nasty mind YOU'VE got there-Sounds like the Commie mindset brainwashing we WERE BullShitted with BY capitalists for over 50yrs)to steal it?(Never stole-apart from the odd breath between slaving)Socialist army,cops,roads,schools...? Peace
@Slave2PaperWithInkOn Nobody bull shitted you. You choice to sell your freedom for empty promises of free shit. Now that it is a proven failure once again, you want someone to blame. Capitalists have nothing to do with the failure of your socialized fraud. Capitalist are just the people who got stuck paying for it.
nicely done. could have gone with reagan's drug war, "have you no decency sir"? not waging it kept 15 million non violent americans out of prisons, it stopped the massive racist incarceration of black and brown people, and saved a million lives around the world. nafta, not signing nafta saved millions of subsistence latino farmers from being priced off their land and forced to sneak into america for a job, millions of american jobs saved and deficits with mexico and canada avoided.
Joe McCarthy is burning in hell together with Hitler and will be joined, sooner or later by Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity, Michael Savage, Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Jack Abramoff, Tom Delay, Laura Ingram, Paul Wolfowitz, and Benjamin Netanyahu.
@cozyfoxstudio ~ uh yeah, "mccarthy proven correct". more like a drunkard who spewed "communism" for two more years until he finally drank himself to death. your hero, a drunken conspiracy nut, let's build a statue.
@tomitstube Gee, he doesnt appear to be a drunk in any of his videos. Odd that a smear like that should be repeated by people who support Communism. Since time has proven that all the people he brought to trial were working for the KGB, why would you still want to cover it up. The guy was destroyed for speaking the truth. His name should be cleared and yes a statue with a bottle of whiskey in one hand and his other extending a middle finger toward Moscow.
@cozyfoxstudio ~ i'm not "smearing" anyone, it's fact that he died of acute hepatitis of the liver. that's how drunks die. there are several types of drunks, some function rather well, the alcoholism becomes less and less effective. everyone one around him admitted this, it's not a liberal conspiracy, it's simple fact, and you are are in denial, just like a drunk is.
this whole communist plot bullshit was nothing but a drunken attempt to self aggrandize at the expense of innocent people.
@tomitstube even after staying up all night drinking straight vodka while perusing files in his office he outfoxed welch, who was a grandstanding, condescending douchebag, at every turn. read the transcripts if you like since i doubt youtube has videos flattering to mccarthy.
@brandoscostumes ~ only an idiot fascist would defend a slime bag like mccarthy, a drunken zealot who's only purpose was to destroy descent honest people to further his own career, the drunken idiot, your hero, even accused president eisenhower of being a communist sympathiser. at what point does your tiny little brain comprehend any of this? let me guess, you applaud everytime we lose another civil right to fight "terrorism". the biggest threat to democracy is idiot sheeple like you.
I just hope everyone here who is supporting McCarthy realizes that they couldn't make themselves look more crazy.
You could run down the street yelling "I'm a crazy lunatic!" and you still wouldn't sound more insane than by posting here that you support Joseph .McCarthy.
There are communist in the Govt! There the ones who have sold the communist all the icbm technology, submarine , air designs o there cxommunist friends for billions. The ports the nafta agreement,
Interesting? the commies are in the Govt. How about the NEW WORLD ORDER! secret societys, iluminatie, Bankers social welfare programs that they put together for themselfs. Bailouts , taxs breaks, off shore banks they own. Look at those that helped China with Aid and Free trade status, Cheap imports. They ve given the keys to our economy. Fema camps, now HARRP weapons . Communist are bent on destroyiing America.
@GalaticSpaceHero Are you senile? The New World Order was a George Bush senior program along with a thousand points of light. You have named every tea party and republican program since the turn of the century. That would be the twentieth, you moron you!
"resources of the world should be shared by all"... do you really think thats what Communism is? Wow, the Marxists are right about some things.... you ARE a Useful Idiot!
Just what I need to ruin a perfectly good day. There is not much that is more painful than listening to some mindless liberal give a history lesson from the communist perspective. I also learned that not having health insurance has now been classified as a disease. Do they study this new disease in med schools now? Let's defeat Obama in 2012.
@fredrickausterlitz and just what WE need-- some mindless conservative bitching about communism and health care because they're too narrow-minded to worry about someone other than themselves. go forbid we all live under the declaration of independence's oath : that all men are created EQUAL". COMMUNISM ALL THE WAY!!!!!!!!!
"Have you no brains, Sir"? Do you actually believe that stuff you espouse? Welch had no sense of decency. It was later found out to be a setup by Welch. He new that if he took the Communist threat lightly by mocking the hearing in his call to "not let the sun go down" without letting the FBI know of each and everyone of these Communists, that he would get McCarthy to expose Fisher as formally being a member of a Communist group. His phony outrage at McCarthy exposing him is pathetic.
@ehunter2 Thomas Sowell is black, and he believed in Jeffersonian Democracy. He spoke out against Racism and the Left. Log Cabin Republicans are group of Liberty Minded Gay People who speak out against the left. There is such a group called The Daughter of Liberty in Texas. Who feel that Liberty would serve women well. So, the reasoning not to quote Jefferson is quite flawed. I might add that Judge Napolitano is Italian.
@ILoveBE2 Yes he had no proof, but thats exactly why he was calling for a thorough investigation. And that's when the rats started scattering and because they kinew damn well what a full investigation would uncover, they decided to smear the messenger rather than admit their perfidy. Joe McCarthy is the most unfairly demonized person in American history, maybe even in world history. God rest his soul.
@ehunter2 That is RIDICULOUS. If you uncover an enemy agent, the absolute last thing you want to do is expose that agent to the public. You leave them undisturbed and feed them false information. Come on man, that's Counterintelligence 101. Jesus, what a stupid thing to say.
@ehunter2 It's J Edgar Hoover, and while I admit that Communism is bad, so is, Fascism. "crush in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country.-Thomas Jefferson. There was even a pro Fascism book written during Mussolini's reign called, "The Corporate State."
@ehunter2 You're aware of the Jefferson Bible, right? The one where he decided to write his own version of the Bible by deleting everything supernatural? You know he was called an atheist in his own lifetime? Also, are you familiar with Jefferson's draft constitution for the state of Virginia? The one where he created a scheme to redistribute the wealth of the state by taxing the rich and giving every landless male 50 acres? Look under the heading "Land" here: tinyurl dot com / 45gzy3d
@Quinibus Oh Jefferson! What a radical communist homo!
Btw, since you're back on your favorite topic of the gays: you know who Roy Cohn was, right? McCarthy's chief legal adviser, bff to (and apologist for) J Edgar Hoover and Ronald Reagan? The fellow who was responsible for the Army-McCarthy debacle? One of the first major public figures to die of AIDS? You know, that one?
No other way to protect America than through the totally hetero Republican Party: Hoover, Roy Cohn, Ken Mehlman, etc.
@ehunter2 He says they are endowed by "their Creator," i.e. Nature, in the Rousseauian sense. In no way should this be interpreted as invoking the personal deity of Evangelical Christianity.
Further crimes against humanity perpetrated by Jefferson: his push to disestablish the churches, his avocation for the free practice of all religions, his interest in the study of Islam, his denial of the divinity of Christ, and so on. By the standards of the 18th Century, Jefferson was a radical atheist.
@ehunter2 Who said I was attacking him? I think he's one of the most brilliant men who ever lived. Explaining who the man was and what he actually believed isn't "attacking." It speaks volumes for the way your own mind works that my simply pointing out that Jefferson wasn't anything like what you believe him to be, that you automatically consider this an "attack." Is it really so impossible for you that there could ever have been decent, intelligent men who thought differently from yourself?
@Quinibus Also, because the ignorant far-Right interpretation of Jefferson really and truly pisses me off, I'm also going to point out the absolute absurdity of your claim that Jefferson somehow was interested in what you called "historical continuity" - absolute bollocks. Life belongs to the living, he famously said, and the dead have no rights over it. Link: tinyurl dot com / 5rc7koy
@ehunter2 He didn't grow up in a world of potatoes and spoons and crickets and baseball and badgers and magnets and paper bags and wangdoodles and Super Mario Brothers and Jim Jarmush and Kim Kardashian and Lou Rawls and....
You can't just make up your own imaginary Jefferson and, because he's old, pretend like that's the real Jefferson. The real Jefferson was a radical and an atheist who fathered a family of mixed race children and he was better than you. Face it. You know nothing of Jefferson
@ehunter2 I'm sorry, but what the fuck does any of this mean? Firstly, *I* have a working knowledge of Latin *and* Greek and a fairly thorough knowledge of English literature. Secondly, I don't know what "cult" you're referring to. Thirdly, you can take your assumptions and shove them up your ass.
I've given you links to documents twice here. In both instances Jefferson *in his own words* said exactly what I said he said. I know facts can be inconvenient and all, but please have the courtesy..
@Quinibus Oh wait.. I thought with all your intelligence and education you would recognize Latin and Greek
and English Lit as the hall marks of something greater.. ie that "classical education" we were talking about.
A "classical" education is what kept Jefferson way above your attempt to stamp him with a cookie cutter Atheist You belong to a CULT..ie. 21st C. Atheist/Cultural Relativist. You do not know your assumptions..and you have no way of understanding any other world.
@ehunter2 See, here's the problem. You've suddenly taken the notion that "classical" = "good" and that therefore "good" = "whatever the hell I like." You're going to have to get used to the notion that educated people sometimes disagree with you. If you really want to understand the religion of the 18th Century Enlightenment man, perhaps I can recommend you read Candide. When folks tend to complain about "Secular Humanism" - what they mean is "The Enlightenment," and, like it or not, ...(cont.)
@Quinibus (cont. pt. 2) ... that includes Jefferson.
But let's talk about the "classics," if you will. First of all, it may surprise you to know that the classical Greeks and Romans did *not* share your religion, whatever that may be. Further, they certainly didn't share the "Judeo-Christian" system of ethics. For this I refer you to Nietzsche. Classical notions of ethics tended to revolve around power relationships. In many instances there were no universal absolutes and exploitation ..(cont)
@Quinibus (cont. pt. 3) ... could be quite easily countenanced. Christianity is not the ancient world. Christianity is the rejection of the ancient world.
Further, there is a clear and direct line between Plato's Republic and Stalin/Hitler/Mao. I recommend you read this also. Plato advocates a system in which the individual is controlled by the state from birth to the grave - children are taken from their parents to be raised by the state, all pregnancies are planned by the community ..(cont)
@Quinibus (cont. pt 4)... state indoctrination begins early and lasts throughout the individual's life, all art is censored unless it approves with the themes that the state censors approve of, etc. Everything you believe to be drab and gray about the communist societies of the 20th century, you have the classics to thank for.
There is not a direct line between the classical world and our own. At all. Where Jefferson mainly got his ideas were from men like Locke, Rousseau, ...(cont.)
@Quinibus (cont. pt 5) ...and a group of folks that were once known as the Commonwealthmen - a group of political writers who drew their ideas from the collective experiences of the English Revolutions of the 18th century.
To return to the classical world not sharing your religion or your system of ethics (and btw, if you're familiar at all with the Warren Cup, or the larger majority of the material gathered from Pompei, you should know that the Romans lived in an environment *covered..(cont)
@Quinibus (cont. pt 6) ...in pornography - plastered over the walls, over the streets, on items of daily use, etc). You cannot on the one hand complain about "relativism" (by which I take it to mean attempting to engage seriously with cultural traditions of the past that are not Western) and then at the same time advocate Classical Education, which was, itself, the study of a group of people completely unlike ourselves.
Anyhow, the shallowness of your appreciation for the "classical" is..(cont)
@Quinibus (cont. pt 7) ... apparent to me by your assumption that anyone raised one particular way would come out with a guaranteed set of assumptions and conclusions, despite the fact that the defining characteristic of the Greeks is the way that *none* of them agree with any of the rest of them. It was a world built on eternal conflict and eternal disagreement. The moniker "classical" is in that sense arbitrary and meaningless - what you value is sexual repression and anger, not the..(cont.)
But if you begin screaming about the changes of the West, where do you begin? For instance, the Victorian writer Augustus Pugin began his critique of modernity with the Renaissance. The decision to borrow themes from dirty, perverse old heathens like Ovid clearly indicated a deep spiritual sickness that meant a complete break from the Christian past and the beginning of an Age of Unbelief. Classical education itself, Pugin argued, was ..(cont.)
@Quinibus (cont. pt 9) ... a sign of deep spiritual sickness and a loss of the Christian past.
(btw, if you don't know this - lack of faith in modern institutions is one of the great and most frequently occurring themes of 19th century literature - it's not something that just started arbitrarily when the millennium rolled over)
To summarize my rantings - your faith that anything classical means one uniform mode of thought which excludes atheism is naive. The deep spiritual ...(cont)
@Quinibus (cont. pt 10) ..crisis of modernity that manifests itself as a disconnect from the past has roots which stretch back more properly to the collapse of the Medieval mind, with its insistence on bizarrely complex metaphysical abstraction and the reconciliation of all opposing arguments, no matter how tortured or nonsensical. Humanity grew up at some point, and when it did, if found itself struggling to define itself despite complete lack of certainty regarding everything. C'est la vie.
@Quinibus Once again the default mindset to "Cultural Relativism". "Classical Education" doesnt mean what I say it means..it was a consistent curriculum of standard texts for 1500 years. The Bible Plato, Aristotle,
St. Augustine,
Boethius, Aquinas, Plutarch and Shakespeare ...The fact that you reach automatically for Voltaire
shows again that "DEFAULT" setting....ie anyone that engages in a little mockery and adolescent
@ehunter2 Alright, if you don't like Voltaire, read Thomas Paine's The Age of Reason.
Firstly, when Jefferson wrote the Jefferson Bible it was *precisely* Augustine, Aquinas, Boethius and Platonic thought that he hoped to disencumber modern man from. Secondly, no Protestant after the reformation would have had such a reading list as a part of his upbringing. Maybe Boethius, Aquinas and Augustine might have been encountered later in life, but past the middle ages, no the would not ...(cont)
@Quinibus (cont. pt 2) ... be a part of standard education. Further, have you ever read the Summa Contra Gentilles? It's a silly book with some interesting ideas, but thoroughly, thoroughly silly. It's certainly not "fun" reading and the notion that it could be an adequate part of modern education astonishes me. Further, Aquinas could not possibly be a part of your silly pulled from your ass 1500 years number, as he wasn't even alive until the 13th century and following his death the...(cont.)
@Quinibus (cont. pt 3) ...Church briefly declared his works heretical and forbid their teaching over some minor point of absurd Medieval dogma. It was only subsequently that they gained stature within the Church, and, btw, right on the heels of the Reformation.
But let's examine the 1500 year number that you've made up here. That would be about the 6th Century. The Dark Ages. Called Dark because there's virtually no writing during the era. Meaning virtually no learning..(cont)
@Quinibus (cont. pt 4) ...That number is absurd for obvious reasons. Despite the fact that there are a handful of Medieval Chroniclers or a few courts with some learning and literary activity occurring (Charlemagne's court, the court of the Ottonians), it's not until the rise of Medieval Scholasticism in the 12th century that anything approaching your imaginary scenario develops. So, at most, 900 years, if you seriously believe that Medieval Scholasticism is identical to ...(cont)
@Quinibus (cont. pt 5) ... Renaissance, Enlightenment, or Victorian education (in which case you're either ignorant or a fool - probably the former). Your 1500 year number is rendered more absurd, not merely by your inclusion of Aquinas, but also Aristotle, who was virtually unknown in the West until the transmittal of Latin translations of the commentaries of the Islamic scholar Avicenna in the Late Middle Ages.
Further, earlier you mentioned Greek. It should be pointed out here that..(cont)
@Quinibus (cont. pt 6) ... no, you would not have learned Greek as a part of your education, and especially not during the Middle Ages, where Ancient Greek was completely unknown in the West. The Bible was understood according to the frequently erroneous Latin Vulgate - the errors that St. Jerome made in translation were transmitted down to Catholics throughout the ages due to their inability to read the original. For instance, if you've ever seen Michelangelo's sculpture of Moses on the..(cont)
@Quinibus (cont. pt 7) ...tomb of Pope Julius II, you'll notice that Moses is wearing horns (as he is in most traditional representations of Moses). The reason why is because St. Jerome mistranslated a portion of the Septuagint in which Moses is said to have received a pair of horns on his head as a result of a meeting with God. The Church taught this bit of nonsense for centuries.
I mention this anecdote to make this observation: part of the reason *why* we don't teach the way they ..(cont)
@Quinibus (cont. pt 8) ...used to is because *we,* the folks in the modern world, understand the texts *better* than they did. The study of Ancient Greek began with fits and starts at the very end of the Middle Ages, but it's not really until the 18th Century that Greek becomes a fairly widespread common place of Advanced education (but still not general education, which would not go much further than Latin and *some* of the classics - the ones that would be "lees likely to corrupt morals"(cont)
@Quinibus (cont. pt 9) With the Renaissance, you have the church fathers falling into obscurity, being virtually abandoned in the quest of rediscovering classical thought (as opposed to Medieval education, which was more interested in torturing the texts in order to "reconcile" them with strict Catholic Dogma). During the Renaissance one finds the emphasis on study of nature (as opposed to the Medieval study of antiquity - a point that many of the great luminaries of the era, and ..(cont.)
@Quinibus (cont. pt 10) ...Leonardo in particular, went to great lengths to make clear)
During the Renaissance, however, one finds the shifting of relative importance of certain texts in the general esteem of the Educated West. The old church fathers fell and the non-Christian pagans of antiquity grew in stature. This was certainly a monumental shifting of the "canon" and not something that could easily be ignored by the Conservative reactionaries of the era. If one wants to understand...(cont)
@Quinibus (cont. pt 11) ... an event as monumental as the Reformation, one first needs to understand that the incompatibility of the ancient world with the Christian world did not escape the folks living at the time. You're familiar with Savonarola and his Bonfire of the Vanities - a mass gathering to grab the "decadent" works of Renaissance art and throw them onto a huge pyre and let them burn. Then later Martin Luther and his Theses, at least partially conditioned by his journey to Rome (cont)
@Quinibus (cont. pt 12) ...and his witnessing of the Renaissance first hand. The Reformation was his rejection of the Italian Renaissance.
This was not a uniform world of happiness and sunshine. This was a world of anxiety and uncertainty where competing worldviews fought each other for supremacy. And fought they did. It's estimated that one in three people living in central Europe was slaughtered during the 30 Years War, the largest war of religion that Europe has ever seen...(cont.)
@Quinibus (cont. 13) With the Reformation comes another shift. The Apostolic Church and actual text of the Bible grow in importance, the early fathers of the Church decline, in certain areas more than others, and classical antiquity drops off the radar completely in Protestant lands. Instead what one increasingly finds is a fascination with Old Testament fundamentalism and what today might be called fascist theocracy (think early Calvinists, Huguenots, Puritans, etc.). These people would..(cont)
@Quinibus (cont. pt 14) ..not at all be interested in the ancient pagan writers, certainly not Ovid, who was so essential to men like Shakespeare and the great artists of the Renaissance.
Following a long era of religious conflict and competing theocracies, the men of the 18th Century began to disencumber themselves of all traces of radical religious thought, and began to reengage with classical Greece in a new way. We have, for instance, the rise of more pure forms of neo-classical...(cont.)
@Quinibus (cont. pt 15) ...art and architecture (think Federal-period American buildings, or neoclassical painters like David and Ingres). There was, perhaps for the first time, a genuine interest in things purely Greek (at least partly because there was enough burgeoning scholarship to allow the West for the first time to accurately separate Greek, Roman, Hellenistic, and Christian). At the same time, once has a more firm and meaningful emergence of purely empirical science ...(cont.)
@Quinibus (cont. pt 16) ...and the Enlightenment is born.
So, my point in this meandering survey of Western history is this: the 18th century is not the 17th century, which is not the Renaissance, which is not the Middle Ages. Medieval Scholasticism (besides being primitive and, as a result, wrong on virtually everything) is not anything like the learning of the Renaissance (where the emphasis is largely pagan, and again, not benefiting from our ages of scholarship, frequently...(cont.)
@Quinibus (cont. pt 17) wrong), which is in turn nothing like the Protestant cultures that eventually developed in the north, and certainly none of them even remotely resemble the world that developed in the 18th century (where, again - and I cannot emphasize this enough - Augustine, Boethius, and Aquinas would *not* have been regarded as essential figures or as essential, key parts of education).
The same year as the American Revolution, there was Gibbon's publication of The Decline..(cont)
@Quinibus (cont. pt 18) and Fall of the Roman Empire. If you want to understand the reevaluation of the early church fathers which was developing in the era, you should also start reading that - particularly his famous 15th and 16th chapters. Gibbon dissects the history of the early church and places it in its elements in the relevant contexts.
Also, whether you have a high opinion of Voltaire or not is irrelevant to the discussion at hand. The fact of the matter is that the men of the..(cont)
@Quinibus (cont. pt 19) ...18th century had a high opinion of him, and if you want to understand the mindset of men like Jefferson, Candide is a good place to start.
As for Jefferson and atheism, I think it's clear that the Deist view point is essentially a compromise. It states that, yes, Christianity is a completely absurd and unbelievable system, but at the same time we cannot explain the seeming mathematical perfection of the Universe, and therefore we posit that perhaps there is ..(cont)
@Quinibus (cont. pt 20) ...an intelligence at work behind it. Two things make this compromise unnecessary in the modern world, however. The first, obviously, is Darwin. The second is Einstein's Theory of Relativity, which effectively explodes the assumption of divine clock maker idea by effectively dismantling the Newtonian system which the 18th century Enlightenment man would have been working from.
Further, whether *you* consider Jefferson an atheist or a "heretic" is immaterial. His..(cont)
@Quinibus (cont. pt 21) ...contemporaries frequently accused him of atheism and regarded his occasional sops to the religious as very weak equivocations. I don't think that any rational person can view Deism as effectively a form of atheism compromised for a world which finds atheism socially unacceptable.
[I know this is lengthy and rambling, but I don't know where to begin correcting your mistaken notions of history - be sure to click on the "view more comments" link, and my posts ..(cont.)
@ehunter2 As a brilliant fellow like yourself doubtless knows, discussions that don't begin in definitions end in opinions, to quote Aristotle.So before this nonsense goes any further, tell me what "Cultural Relativism" means to you. And when you do so, don't fall into the obvious traps. Don't rant about whatever you imagine me to be - that's argumentum ad hominem. Don't rant about the age we live in -that has nothing to do with whatever "Cultural Relativism" is. Just state what you think it is.
@ehunter2 Argumentum ad Hominem again. Let me make this very clear in case if you don't understand what this fallacy is or what it means: *It doesn't matter who I am or what I believe.* That doesn't have any bearing upon the truth of whatever point you hope to make. If I state that I believe the sky is blue, and it turns out that I am a serial killer, being a serial killer did not condition my belief that the sky is blue, nor does the establishment that I am a serial killer disprove the..(cont)
You still have not established what "Cultural Relativism" is or what it means. You've merely asserted that there are people you don't like who believe in it.
@Quinibus Also, I did not state that Voltaire is "cool" - I stated that if you want to understand the Enlightenment's approach to religion, begin with Candide. Whether *I* sanction the individual contents of Candide is, again, irrelevant. It has no bearing upon whether the men of the Enlightenment thought of the work.
Again, if Voltaire's ribaldry offends your sense of sexual propriety, then there's Paine's Age of Reason, Gibbon's Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, and anything by Swift.
@ehunter2 There is a difference between "There were Soviet agents within the federal government" and "Everything McCarthy said was 100 percent true," I'm sure you will agree. McCarthy's grandstanding and outright lying - yes, lying - was an impediment to actual, professsional efforts at counterespionage by our intelligence community.
Quote from History of FBI "Had observers known in the 1950s what they have learned since the 1970s, when the Freedom of Information Act opened the Bureau's files, 'McCarthyism' would probably be called 'Hooverism.'"[
Today, there is plenty of Evidence to show that Joe McCarthy was telling the truth! Joe McCarthy, was a great American man indeed! Glen Beck is a great American man indeed! Bill O' Reilly is a great American man indeed! Go Fox News! If you don't like America then get the hell out of America NOW!
@Maat922 McCarthy using communist tactics to fight communism. Lives that were ruined because of this pathetic drunk and his swarmy sidekick Cohen. The Republican party is a facism party.
@twilite142 ...so a fascist used communist tactics? I don't follow. And the leftists are a communist party. So I guess since the repubs are fascists, and the dems are commies, we're all fucked pretty much, and in the end, freedom loses?
And before you call me an American-hating communist, im not a liberal. Im very centered, understanding both sides of the argument. But what angers me are the extreme rights who are absolutely insane and believe everything told to them by their deified glenn beck, even though all facts prove the contrary.
All these extreme conservatives here are idiotic! Moderate conservatives admit Mccarthy was a total fraud. Out of the hundreds of people he accused, actually only 9 have been proven communist. Mccarthy today would have a seat at Fox news, so you extremist could salivate at your hero. Please tell me all these "communists" in the government today that you speak of, because i would love to here from you experts how they all have secret plans to destroy the government (if you say obama ill laugh)
McCarthy was right in the 1940's and the 1950's and McCarthy is still right today in 2010!! The person doing the voice over for this video is 100000% wrong period! McCarthy was a great man indeed! A++++ The left wing and or liberals will always hate America! If you don't like America and if you do don't like Capitalism then you need to move out of America now and move into a communist or a socialist country!
@NOBULLSPIN1 McCarthy was no Great Man, he was simply using the fear that came out of the Communist takeover of China to further his political career, and he did this by accusing any and all who opposed him of being communists. Before you start spewing idiocy from the anonymity of your keyboard, you might want to glance through a high-school US History book so you can see how wrong you actually are. Also, on the note of your attack on Liberals, I am one, and would personally die for my country
Is he drinking moonshine?
zombie3785 17 hours ago
McCarthy and Richard Nixon learned how to red bait from Lyndon Johnson the master when LBJ used first used the tactic against Federal Power Commission chairman, Leyland Olds during his re-confirmation hearings in 1949. Johnson falsly accused Olds of being a card-carring communist - because Olds was causing problems for LBJ's rich Texas right-wing oil millionairs who helped LBJ, the mob, and the CIA assassinate JFK. ("LBJ - The Mastermind of JFK's Assassination" by Phillip F. Nelson (pub 2010)
symboy 2 weeks ago
Watch Noam Chomsky and learn .
juliegrimme 4 weeks ago
DavisFleetwood
You believe in class warfare, obviously. You are a tribalist who sees everything through the prism of class, race and gender. You think the job of the state is to punish the successful for being rich, and that the masses will hoot and cheer like medieval peasants.
You sound like a politics student efficiently brainwashed by the leftie educational establishment who blame capitalism for all of our predicament.
happyuk06 1 month ago
@happyuk06 and you sound like a viewer and listener of the likes of Glenn Beck, brainwashed by Faux News who blame socialism/communism/Muslims/gays/atheists/liberals/unions/the poor/the govt/Mexicans/etc/etc/etc for all of our predicament...
caffingdu 3 weeks ago
Saying theres different degrees of communism is as silly as saying theres different degrees of facism. Besides, Communist ideology might look perfect on paper, but at the end of the day it's still ran by human beings and therefore doomed to fail. The fact that it gives so much power to so few only means it will fail faster then other systems. And to prove the point, I don't see many people flocking to Communist countries in search of a better life. If you go, let me know how it works out 4 u.
RDJ1109 1 month ago 2
It is the people who would take from those who earned it and give it to those who refuse to work that have no sense of decency. It is those who sneer at morality who have no sense of decency. It is those who don't appreciate the founding of our country who have no decency. They don't even believe in decency, because that implies a higher standard of truth to which we all are obligated by God. There is no such standard found in atheism or moral relativism.
revhowardgoss 1 month ago
Mccarthy was a neo nazi who runied peoples lives from hollywood to school teachers. along with mccarthy came red channels and the house of UN-american activities committee people he wanted hitlers views in the united states. The weavers were a big name folk group got axed because of this idiot
allenshepard 1 month ago
@davisfleetwood I think theres more to communism then just thinking the worlds resources should be shared by all. You kind of left out the part about dictatership, mass execution of civilians, persecution against any and all religions, censorship in all forms of media etc. But if you want to imply that it's utopia then feel free. It's your video.
RDJ1109 1 month ago
@RDJ1109 alot of people joined the communist party because there wasnt a party that would support civil rights and segregation and unions ect.
allenshepard 1 month ago
@allenshepard Well a ton of people have been sensored, persecuted, imprisoned, and slaughtered by communist regimes. But I guess if in return you get bread lines, free health care, and a pro union government it's worth it.
RDJ1109 1 month ago
@RDJ1109 of course there was different degrees of communism depending on the persons philosophy and of course its nothing now what it was back then, I had a few family friends that were communist card holders way back in the day and they were proud supporters of pete seeger and peoples songs ect. I grew up with all that music.
allenshepard 1 month ago
ESPN announcers ????
denvervoipguru 1 month ago
McCarthy was right. Now the commies are in the White House.
revhowardgoss 2 months ago
@revhowardgoss Have you no decency
allenshepard 1 month ago
@allenshepard Yeah, I have plenty. How 'bout you?
revhowardgoss 1 month ago
@revhowardgoss Yes I know thats its the home of the brave and the land of the free and this guy didnt have a soul in his body. These people did nothing wrong.
allenshepard 1 month ago
@allenshepard Bet you like Obama, too, don't you?
revhowardgoss 1 month ago
@revhowardgoss Yes I do I think hes a wonderful guy, now you may vote for the tea party thats your right. But who I vote for is my right too.
allenshepard 1 month ago
No, you don't.
maersklandro 2 months ago
Enhanced careers? That’s a bizarre statement. You certainly don’t mean Loeb who was blacklisted in ’50, couldn’t find work, and committed suicide in ’55. Yes, it’s true the hunt for communists went well beyond McCarthy but he was a political opportunist and bully who added to the undermining of the constitutional ideals of free speech and expression. Why do you think Welch said what he did? Or Symington, or Murrow, or Herblock? Demogogues are alway a danger, as simple-minded people follow them.
rha101 2 months ago
why don't you shut-up you doorknob
artrice100 2 months ago
What the 'F' is your point?
vince33x 3 months ago
McCarthy was a great man
dman1311974 3 months ago
@dman1311974 Burn in hell McCarthy
amsterdam78 3 months ago
@dman1311974 You're super smart.
frankmartinisadouche 3 months ago
@dman1311974 McCarthy was right. Don't worry about the idiots here who know nothing of history.
vince33x 3 months ago
@vince33x No McCarthy was wrong. His tactics were awful; he ruined the careers of many honorable and decent Americans.
rha101 2 months ago
@rha101 That's a complete lie, McCarthy ruined no one's career. The so-called "Hollywood Ten" (if that's what ur refering to) were Hollywood writers and directors who refused to testify at the 1947 HUAC hearings and had nothing to do with McCarthy, who was a Senator. Nevertheless, this is part of the myths and lore perpetuated by our Left-Wing media.
Name one person McCarthy ID'd as a Communist who wasn't.
vince33x 2 months ago
@vince33x 300+ people had their careers damaged or destroyed including Walter Bernstein, Abraham Polonsky, Lester Cole, Arnold Manoff, Owen Lattimore, Elizabeth Flynn, Benjamin Keen, Zero Mostel, Irwin Shaw, Theodore Kagan, Samuel Rebar, Philip Loeb, Martin Ritt, Paul Sweezy, Waldo Salt. Garson Kanin, Carl Foreman, Lionel Stander, Howard Fast, Dolores del Rio . . .
rha101 2 months ago
@rha101 !st of all, with the exception of Owen Lattimore, who WAS a communist! None of those people had anything to do with the McCarthy hearings - which were SENATE hearings NOT HUAC hearings, which, in any case occurred 7 years BEFORE the McCarthy hearings. The sleaze media uses the nebulous term "McCarthy Era" to deliberately confuse people such as yourself. And who in that list had their career destroyed? If anything, their careers were enhanced by the HUAC hearings!
vince33x 2 months ago
I'm not in denial of that. Lots of politicians drink too much. Using it as an excuse to ignore Communists in our country whom seek to do us harm is the denial. Its really stupid too.
cozyfoxstudio 4 months ago
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maquih 3 months ago
@cozyfoxstudio You realize that if there even were people who supported communism it isn't within your constitutional rights to do anything about it? When the Soviets fell communism pretty much ceased to be a threat to us. Are you truly so stupid as to believe that there are communists waiting for the right time to overthrow the US? Are you really so paranoid? Communism is dying, there are only like five countries in the world who use it, and China doesn't really count, its more totalitarian.
rahl182 3 months ago
@rahl182 Genius there are Communists running through the street and Unions calling for the overthrow of America and Capitalism. Today 2011. The Solviets may have been sidelined but these enemies with in have gone unpunished. Having free speech and conspiring to overthrow the government are two seperate things. Your excuse is sweet but has been fed to you by Communists under different names. It just has. Don't feel bad. I fell for it too.
cozyfoxstudio 3 months ago
@cozyfoxstudio Communists did NOT crash the WORLD's monetary system-Western CAPITALISTS did! Right out in the open FOR ALL TO SEE and NOT giving a shit about their fellow countrymen(whatever colour,creed or BS religion)What will it take for the people of the world to WAKE UP to the FACT=95% plus of the "money" out there is NOTHING BUT DIGITS magicked up out of THIN AIR on bankers computers and called "loans" EVERY penny/cent loaned-IS CREATED in secs="Now pay me back,WITH lNTEREST-till you DIE!"
Slave2PaperWithInkOn 1 month ago
@Slave2PaperWithInkOn Don't be stupid. Corruption by Progressive Globalists is not Capitalism, its Communism, Socialism, collective fraud, you idiot. Look at your own words. You are a pathetic beggar who thinks he's owed something, and will kill to steal it. You're a useful idiot, begging for slavery.
cozyfoxstudio 1 month ago
@cozyfoxstudio lm a pathetic beggar?(l slave for money grabbing CAPITALISTS)Who thinks im owed something?(yeah-all the years of MY LIFE spent slaving for worthless tokens imbued with a "magical" property called worth,by OUR OWNERS=Western Bankers!)And will kill?(nasty mind YOU'VE got there-Sounds like the Commie mindset brainwashing we WERE BullShitted with BY capitalists for over 50yrs)to steal it?(Never stole-apart from the odd breath between slaving)Socialist army,cops,roads,schools...? Peace
Slave2PaperWithInkOn 1 month ago
@Slave2PaperWithInkOn Nobody bull shitted you. You choice to sell your freedom for empty promises of free shit. Now that it is a proven failure once again, you want someone to blame. Capitalists have nothing to do with the failure of your socialized fraud. Capitalist are just the people who got stuck paying for it.
cozyfoxstudio 1 month ago
nicely done. could have gone with reagan's drug war, "have you no decency sir"? not waging it kept 15 million non violent americans out of prisons, it stopped the massive racist incarceration of black and brown people, and saved a million lives around the world. nafta, not signing nafta saved millions of subsistence latino farmers from being priced off their land and forced to sneak into america for a job, millions of american jobs saved and deficits with mexico and canada avoided.
tomitstube 4 months ago
Joe McCarthy is burning in hell together with Hitler and will be joined, sooner or later by Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity, Michael Savage, Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Jack Abramoff, Tom Delay, Laura Ingram, Paul Wolfowitz, and Benjamin Netanyahu.
chonitin 4 months ago
lol you dont see obama continuing where bush left off with enthusiasm? OBAMA WIN PEACE PRIZE CARPET BOMB LYBIA
oiyabastard 3 months ago
Since McCarthy was proven correct. Doesnt he deserve a statue or something. Have we no decency. The guy is a hero.
cozyfoxstudio 4 months ago
@cozyfoxstudio ~ uh yeah, "mccarthy proven correct". more like a drunkard who spewed "communism" for two more years until he finally drank himself to death. your hero, a drunken conspiracy nut, let's build a statue.
tomitstube 4 months ago
@tomitstube Gee, he doesnt appear to be a drunk in any of his videos. Odd that a smear like that should be repeated by people who support Communism. Since time has proven that all the people he brought to trial were working for the KGB, why would you still want to cover it up. The guy was destroyed for speaking the truth. His name should be cleared and yes a statue with a bottle of whiskey in one hand and his other extending a middle finger toward Moscow.
cozyfoxstudio 4 months ago
@cozyfoxstudio ~ i'm not "smearing" anyone, it's fact that he died of acute hepatitis of the liver. that's how drunks die. there are several types of drunks, some function rather well, the alcoholism becomes less and less effective. everyone one around him admitted this, it's not a liberal conspiracy, it's simple fact, and you are are in denial, just like a drunk is.
this whole communist plot bullshit was nothing but a drunken attempt to self aggrandize at the expense of innocent people.
tomitstube 4 months ago
@tomitstube even after staying up all night drinking straight vodka while perusing files in his office he outfoxed welch, who was a grandstanding, condescending douchebag, at every turn. read the transcripts if you like since i doubt youtube has videos flattering to mccarthy.
brandoscostumes 3 months ago
@brandoscostumes ~ only an idiot fascist would defend a slime bag like mccarthy, a drunken zealot who's only purpose was to destroy descent honest people to further his own career, the drunken idiot, your hero, even accused president eisenhower of being a communist sympathiser. at what point does your tiny little brain comprehend any of this? let me guess, you applaud everytime we lose another civil right to fight "terrorism". the biggest threat to democracy is idiot sheeple like you.
tomitstube 3 months ago 2
I just hope everyone here who is supporting McCarthy realizes that they couldn't make themselves look more crazy.
You could run down the street yelling "I'm a crazy lunatic!" and you still wouldn't sound more insane than by posting here that you support Joseph .McCarthy.
maquih 4 months ago 2
@maquih I just hope everyone here that still bashes McCarthy for being correct is still a useful idiot.
cozyfoxstudio 4 months ago
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maquih 4 months ago
thank god for mccarthy a great american
dman1311974 4 months ago
There are communist in the Govt! There the ones who have sold the communist all the icbm technology, submarine , air designs o there cxommunist friends for billions. The ports the nafta agreement,
GalaticSpaceHero 6 months ago
you're all stupid as hell. McCarthy ran a witch hunt for which there were no witches. Final. End of story.
BloodeatingDespot 6 months ago
Demagogy....
rob18767 7 months ago
Interesting? the commies are in the Govt. How about the NEW WORLD ORDER! secret societys, iluminatie, Bankers social welfare programs that they put together for themselfs. Bailouts , taxs breaks, off shore banks they own. Look at those that helped China with Aid and Free trade status, Cheap imports. They ve given the keys to our economy. Fema camps, now HARRP weapons . Communist are bent on destroyiing America.
GalaticSpaceHero 7 months ago
@GalaticSpaceHero Are you senile? The New World Order was a George Bush senior program along with a thousand points of light. You have named every tea party and republican program since the turn of the century. That would be the twentieth, you moron you!
onebaud 6 months ago
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@onebaud yuo must be communist !
GalaticSpaceHero 6 months ago
"resources of the world should be shared by all"... do you really think thats what Communism is? Wow, the Marxists are right about some things.... you ARE a Useful Idiot!
joejohnson043 7 months ago 2
Just what I need to ruin a perfectly good day. There is not much that is more painful than listening to some mindless liberal give a history lesson from the communist perspective. I also learned that not having health insurance has now been classified as a disease. Do they study this new disease in med schools now? Let's defeat Obama in 2012.
fredrickausterlitz 8 months ago
@fredrickausterlitz and just what WE need-- some mindless conservative bitching about communism and health care because they're too narrow-minded to worry about someone other than themselves. go forbid we all live under the declaration of independence's oath : that all men are created EQUAL". COMMUNISM ALL THE WAY!!!!!!!!!
13pangea 8 months ago
Do all communists like you have the freshly dicked flush face and freshly fist-gripped hair that you have? Looks just a little gay, commie.
Paladine71 8 months ago
look at this smug idiot
ajgolfer1 9 months ago
"Have you no brains, Sir"? Do you actually believe that stuff you espouse? Welch had no sense of decency. It was later found out to be a setup by Welch. He new that if he took the Communist threat lightly by mocking the hearing in his call to "not let the sun go down" without letting the FBI know of each and everyone of these Communists, that he would get McCarthy to expose Fisher as formally being a member of a Communist group. His phony outrage at McCarthy exposing him is pathetic.
jbranstetter04 10 months ago
@ehunter2 Thomas Sowell is black, and he believed in Jeffersonian Democracy. He spoke out against Racism and the Left. Log Cabin Republicans are group of Liberty Minded Gay People who speak out against the left. There is such a group called The Daughter of Liberty in Texas. Who feel that Liberty would serve women well. So, the reasoning not to quote Jefferson is quite flawed. I might add that Judge Napolitano is Italian.
acousticfreeze1 10 months ago
@ehunter2 In my mind, Big Capital is just as much a threat as Big Government. Which is the way Thomas Jefferson saw it.
acousticfreeze1 10 months ago
Joe McCarthy was entirely right. There were communists in the u s government.
gp403220 11 months ago 2
@gp403220 true but the point is ... he had no proof!
ILoveBE2 10 months ago
@ILoveBE2
There was tons of proof
ehunter2 10 months ago
@ILoveBE2 Yes he had no proof, but thats exactly why he was calling for a thorough investigation. And that's when the rats started scattering and because they kinew damn well what a full investigation would uncover, they decided to smear the messenger rather than admit their perfidy. Joe McCarthy is the most unfairly demonized person in American history, maybe even in world history. God rest his soul.
robbob35 8 months ago
@robbob35 Or, he was just a litte boy crying wolf, and just got thuroughly and rightfuly pwnd.
Xunkun 7 months ago
@gp403220 Yes, and his grandstanding and boasts about lists jeopardized FBI investigations of ACTUAL Soviet agents.
Sleeper99999 10 months ago
@Sleeper99999 The "List" that McCarthy referred to was handed to him by the FBI Director
Herbert Hoover. Hoover above all could not tip his hand ..the hand the held the super secret
that the Soviet code had been broken and that the FBI knew everything. Hoovers only hope was
to let public hearings pretend to bring out the "discovery" of American traitors...and he placed
that hope in McCarthys hand
ehunter2 10 months ago
@ehunter2 That is RIDICULOUS. If you uncover an enemy agent, the absolute last thing you want to do is expose that agent to the public. You leave them undisturbed and feed them false information. Come on man, that's Counterintelligence 101. Jesus, what a stupid thing to say.
Sleeper99999 10 months ago
@Sleeper99999 These people were working feverishly to subvert education, subvert Govt
policy, subvert the media, subvert foreign policy..and they were getting milliions of useful idiots
to believe them. You forget that part. How naive can you get?
ehunter2 10 months ago
@ehunter2 It's J Edgar Hoover, and while I admit that Communism is bad, so is, Fascism. "crush in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country.-Thomas Jefferson. There was even a pro Fascism book written during Mussolini's reign called, "The Corporate State."
acousticfreeze1 10 months ago
@acousticfreeze1 You should avoid quoting Thomas Jefferson..every single principle that Jefferson
believed in has been systematically destroyed by the Left Traditional,
cultural values of the West, Religion, racial integrity, , Historical continuity, rugged
individualism, small government, classical education. The norms of Jefferson would all be
considered Far Right today. Replacing Jefferson is effeminacy, befuddlement, apathy,
atheism, homosexuality, servility..ie the Left.
ehunter2 10 months ago
@ehunter2 You're aware of the Jefferson Bible, right? The one where he decided to write his own version of the Bible by deleting everything supernatural? You know he was called an atheist in his own lifetime? Also, are you familiar with Jefferson's draft constitution for the state of Virginia? The one where he created a scheme to redistribute the wealth of the state by taxing the rich and giving every landless male 50 acres? Look under the heading "Land" here: tinyurl dot com / 45gzy3d
Quinibus 10 months ago
@Quinibus Oh Jefferson! What a radical communist homo!
Btw, since you're back on your favorite topic of the gays: you know who Roy Cohn was, right? McCarthy's chief legal adviser, bff to (and apologist for) J Edgar Hoover and Ronald Reagan? The fellow who was responsible for the Army-McCarthy debacle? One of the first major public figures to die of AIDS? You know, that one?
No other way to protect America than through the totally hetero Republican Party: Hoover, Roy Cohn, Ken Mehlman, etc.
Quinibus 10 months ago
@Quinibus Jefferson was not an atheist. He was an 18th century thinker deeply suspicious of the
abuses of reason by Chrisitian irrationalist. He uses references to God in the first sentences of the
Declaration of Independence and says God is the basis of all reason and law.
ehunter2 10 months ago
@ehunter2 He says they are endowed by "their Creator," i.e. Nature, in the Rousseauian sense. In no way should this be interpreted as invoking the personal deity of Evangelical Christianity.
Further crimes against humanity perpetrated by Jefferson: his push to disestablish the churches, his avocation for the free practice of all religions, his interest in the study of Islam, his denial of the divinity of Christ, and so on. By the standards of the 18th Century, Jefferson was a radical atheist.
Quinibus 10 months ago
@Quinibus An interest in the "study of Islam" isnt an endorsement of Islam..its more like
a study of bizarre cults, or collecting stamps.
With a world of psychopaths, freaks, morons, whores, imbeciles, creeps..you choose to attack
one of the stellar men of history Thomas Jefferson. Nice going Timmy. Could it be that you
are a mediocre no body threatened by any kind of exceptionalism?
ehunter2 10 months ago
@ehunter2 Who said I was attacking him? I think he's one of the most brilliant men who ever lived. Explaining who the man was and what he actually believed isn't "attacking." It speaks volumes for the way your own mind works that my simply pointing out that Jefferson wasn't anything like what you believe him to be, that you automatically consider this an "attack." Is it really so impossible for you that there could ever have been decent, intelligent men who thought differently from yourself?
Quinibus 10 months ago
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@Quinibus Also, because the ignorant far-Right interpretation of Jefferson really and truly pisses me off, I'm also going to point out the absolute absurdity of your claim that Jefferson somehow was interested in what you called "historical continuity" - absolute bollocks. Life belongs to the living, he famously said, and the dead have no rights over it. Link: tinyurl dot com / 5rc7koy
Quinibus 10 months ago
@Quinibus Yes you were attacking him. You were trying to fit an 18th century man into
21st century cult of atheism and cultural relativism. You should know that Jefferson didnt grow up on TV,
heavy metal music, mass media news. He really didnt think life was a buffet choice of equal alternatives.
In other words he was different from you..and you just cannot begin to fathom that difference
ehunter2 10 months ago
@ehunter2 He didn't grow up in a world of potatoes and spoons and crickets and baseball and badgers and magnets and paper bags and wangdoodles and Super Mario Brothers and Jim Jarmush and Kim Kardashian and Lou Rawls and....
You can't just make up your own imaginary Jefferson and, because he's old, pretend like that's the real Jefferson. The real Jefferson was a radical and an atheist who fathered a family of mixed race children and he was better than you. Face it. You know nothing of Jefferson
Quinibus 10 months ago
@Quinibus Wrong clown boy..he was a deeply traditional Western man with a deep knowledge
of Latin, Greek and English literature. He would have found your cult nothing more than
a collection point of cultureless losers
ehunter2 10 months ago
@ehunter2 I'm sorry, but what the fuck does any of this mean? Firstly, *I* have a working knowledge of Latin *and* Greek and a fairly thorough knowledge of English literature. Secondly, I don't know what "cult" you're referring to. Thirdly, you can take your assumptions and shove them up your ass.
I've given you links to documents twice here. In both instances Jefferson *in his own words* said exactly what I said he said. I know facts can be inconvenient and all, but please have the courtesy..
Quinibus 10 months ago
@Quinibus (cont. pt. 2) ... to actually read them before you avail yourself of the next opportunity to display your ignorance.
Quinibus 10 months ago
@Quinibus Oh wait.. I thought with all your intelligence and education you would recognize Latin and Greek
and English Lit as the hall marks of something greater.. ie that "classical education" we were talking about.
A "classical" education is what kept Jefferson way above your attempt to stamp him with a cookie cutter Atheist You belong to a CULT..ie. 21st C. Atheist/Cultural Relativist. You do not know your assumptions..and you have no way of understanding any other world.
ehunter2 10 months ago
@ehunter2 See, here's the problem. You've suddenly taken the notion that "classical" = "good" and that therefore "good" = "whatever the hell I like." You're going to have to get used to the notion that educated people sometimes disagree with you. If you really want to understand the religion of the 18th Century Enlightenment man, perhaps I can recommend you read Candide. When folks tend to complain about "Secular Humanism" - what they mean is "The Enlightenment," and, like it or not, ...(cont.)
Quinibus 10 months ago
@Quinibus (cont. pt. 2) ... that includes Jefferson.
But let's talk about the "classics," if you will. First of all, it may surprise you to know that the classical Greeks and Romans did *not* share your religion, whatever that may be. Further, they certainly didn't share the "Judeo-Christian" system of ethics. For this I refer you to Nietzsche. Classical notions of ethics tended to revolve around power relationships. In many instances there were no universal absolutes and exploitation ..(cont)
Quinibus 10 months ago
@Quinibus (cont. pt. 3) ... could be quite easily countenanced. Christianity is not the ancient world. Christianity is the rejection of the ancient world.
Further, there is a clear and direct line between Plato's Republic and Stalin/Hitler/Mao. I recommend you read this also. Plato advocates a system in which the individual is controlled by the state from birth to the grave - children are taken from their parents to be raised by the state, all pregnancies are planned by the community ..(cont)
Quinibus 10 months ago
@Quinibus (cont. pt 4)... state indoctrination begins early and lasts throughout the individual's life, all art is censored unless it approves with the themes that the state censors approve of, etc. Everything you believe to be drab and gray about the communist societies of the 20th century, you have the classics to thank for.
There is not a direct line between the classical world and our own. At all. Where Jefferson mainly got his ideas were from men like Locke, Rousseau, ...(cont.)
Quinibus 10 months ago
@Quinibus (cont. pt 5) ...and a group of folks that were once known as the Commonwealthmen - a group of political writers who drew their ideas from the collective experiences of the English Revolutions of the 18th century.
To return to the classical world not sharing your religion or your system of ethics (and btw, if you're familiar at all with the Warren Cup, or the larger majority of the material gathered from Pompei, you should know that the Romans lived in an environment *covered..(cont)
Quinibus 10 months ago
@Quinibus (cont. pt 6) ...in pornography - plastered over the walls, over the streets, on items of daily use, etc). You cannot on the one hand complain about "relativism" (by which I take it to mean attempting to engage seriously with cultural traditions of the past that are not Western) and then at the same time advocate Classical Education, which was, itself, the study of a group of people completely unlike ourselves.
Anyhow, the shallowness of your appreciation for the "classical" is..(cont)
Quinibus 10 months ago
@Quinibus (cont. pt 7) ... apparent to me by your assumption that anyone raised one particular way would come out with a guaranteed set of assumptions and conclusions, despite the fact that the defining characteristic of the Greeks is the way that *none* of them agree with any of the rest of them. It was a world built on eternal conflict and eternal disagreement. The moniker "classical" is in that sense arbitrary and meaningless - what you value is sexual repression and anger, not the..(cont.)
Quinibus 10 months ago
@Quinibus (cont. pt 8) ... classical world.
But if you begin screaming about the changes of the West, where do you begin? For instance, the Victorian writer Augustus Pugin began his critique of modernity with the Renaissance. The decision to borrow themes from dirty, perverse old heathens like Ovid clearly indicated a deep spiritual sickness that meant a complete break from the Christian past and the beginning of an Age of Unbelief. Classical education itself, Pugin argued, was ..(cont.)
Quinibus 10 months ago
@Quinibus (cont. pt 9) ... a sign of deep spiritual sickness and a loss of the Christian past.
(btw, if you don't know this - lack of faith in modern institutions is one of the great and most frequently occurring themes of 19th century literature - it's not something that just started arbitrarily when the millennium rolled over)
To summarize my rantings - your faith that anything classical means one uniform mode of thought which excludes atheism is naive. The deep spiritual ...(cont)
Quinibus 10 months ago
@Quinibus (cont. pt 10) ..crisis of modernity that manifests itself as a disconnect from the past has roots which stretch back more properly to the collapse of the Medieval mind, with its insistence on bizarrely complex metaphysical abstraction and the reconciliation of all opposing arguments, no matter how tortured or nonsensical. Humanity grew up at some point, and when it did, if found itself struggling to define itself despite complete lack of certainty regarding everything. C'est la vie.
Quinibus 10 months ago
@Quinibus Once again the default mindset to "Cultural Relativism". "Classical Education" doesnt mean what I say it means..it was a consistent curriculum of standard texts for 1500 years. The Bible Plato, Aristotle,
St. Augustine,
Boethius, Aquinas, Plutarch and Shakespeare ...The fact that you reach automatically for Voltaire
shows again that "DEFAULT" setting....ie anyone that engages in a little mockery and adolescent
"rebellion" is the really worthwhile person.
ehunter2 10 months ago
@ehunter2 Alright, if you don't like Voltaire, read Thomas Paine's The Age of Reason.
Firstly, when Jefferson wrote the Jefferson Bible it was *precisely* Augustine, Aquinas, Boethius and Platonic thought that he hoped to disencumber modern man from. Secondly, no Protestant after the reformation would have had such a reading list as a part of his upbringing. Maybe Boethius, Aquinas and Augustine might have been encountered later in life, but past the middle ages, no the would not ...(cont)
Quinibus 10 months ago
@Quinibus (cont. pt 2) ... be a part of standard education. Further, have you ever read the Summa Contra Gentilles? It's a silly book with some interesting ideas, but thoroughly, thoroughly silly. It's certainly not "fun" reading and the notion that it could be an adequate part of modern education astonishes me. Further, Aquinas could not possibly be a part of your silly pulled from your ass 1500 years number, as he wasn't even alive until the 13th century and following his death the...(cont.)
Quinibus 10 months ago
@Quinibus (cont. pt 3) ...Church briefly declared his works heretical and forbid their teaching over some minor point of absurd Medieval dogma. It was only subsequently that they gained stature within the Church, and, btw, right on the heels of the Reformation.
But let's examine the 1500 year number that you've made up here. That would be about the 6th Century. The Dark Ages. Called Dark because there's virtually no writing during the era. Meaning virtually no learning..(cont)
Quinibus 10 months ago
@Quinibus (cont. pt 4) ...That number is absurd for obvious reasons. Despite the fact that there are a handful of Medieval Chroniclers or a few courts with some learning and literary activity occurring (Charlemagne's court, the court of the Ottonians), it's not until the rise of Medieval Scholasticism in the 12th century that anything approaching your imaginary scenario develops. So, at most, 900 years, if you seriously believe that Medieval Scholasticism is identical to ...(cont)
Quinibus 10 months ago
@Quinibus (cont. pt 5) ... Renaissance, Enlightenment, or Victorian education (in which case you're either ignorant or a fool - probably the former). Your 1500 year number is rendered more absurd, not merely by your inclusion of Aquinas, but also Aristotle, who was virtually unknown in the West until the transmittal of Latin translations of the commentaries of the Islamic scholar Avicenna in the Late Middle Ages.
Further, earlier you mentioned Greek. It should be pointed out here that..(cont)
Quinibus 10 months ago
@Quinibus (cont. pt 6) ... no, you would not have learned Greek as a part of your education, and especially not during the Middle Ages, where Ancient Greek was completely unknown in the West. The Bible was understood according to the frequently erroneous Latin Vulgate - the errors that St. Jerome made in translation were transmitted down to Catholics throughout the ages due to their inability to read the original. For instance, if you've ever seen Michelangelo's sculpture of Moses on the..(cont)
Quinibus 10 months ago
@Quinibus (cont. pt 7) ...tomb of Pope Julius II, you'll notice that Moses is wearing horns (as he is in most traditional representations of Moses). The reason why is because St. Jerome mistranslated a portion of the Septuagint in which Moses is said to have received a pair of horns on his head as a result of a meeting with God. The Church taught this bit of nonsense for centuries.
I mention this anecdote to make this observation: part of the reason *why* we don't teach the way they ..(cont)
Quinibus 10 months ago
@Quinibus (cont. pt 8) ...used to is because *we,* the folks in the modern world, understand the texts *better* than they did. The study of Ancient Greek began with fits and starts at the very end of the Middle Ages, but it's not really until the 18th Century that Greek becomes a fairly widespread common place of Advanced education (but still not general education, which would not go much further than Latin and *some* of the classics - the ones that would be "lees likely to corrupt morals"(cont)
Quinibus 10 months ago
@Quinibus (cont. pt 9) With the Renaissance, you have the church fathers falling into obscurity, being virtually abandoned in the quest of rediscovering classical thought (as opposed to Medieval education, which was more interested in torturing the texts in order to "reconcile" them with strict Catholic Dogma). During the Renaissance one finds the emphasis on study of nature (as opposed to the Medieval study of antiquity - a point that many of the great luminaries of the era, and ..(cont.)
Quinibus 10 months ago
@Quinibus (cont. pt 10) ...Leonardo in particular, went to great lengths to make clear)
During the Renaissance, however, one finds the shifting of relative importance of certain texts in the general esteem of the Educated West. The old church fathers fell and the non-Christian pagans of antiquity grew in stature. This was certainly a monumental shifting of the "canon" and not something that could easily be ignored by the Conservative reactionaries of the era. If one wants to understand...(cont)
Quinibus 10 months ago
@Quinibus (cont. pt 11) ... an event as monumental as the Reformation, one first needs to understand that the incompatibility of the ancient world with the Christian world did not escape the folks living at the time. You're familiar with Savonarola and his Bonfire of the Vanities - a mass gathering to grab the "decadent" works of Renaissance art and throw them onto a huge pyre and let them burn. Then later Martin Luther and his Theses, at least partially conditioned by his journey to Rome (cont)
Quinibus 10 months ago
@Quinibus (cont. pt 12) ...and his witnessing of the Renaissance first hand. The Reformation was his rejection of the Italian Renaissance.
This was not a uniform world of happiness and sunshine. This was a world of anxiety and uncertainty where competing worldviews fought each other for supremacy. And fought they did. It's estimated that one in three people living in central Europe was slaughtered during the 30 Years War, the largest war of religion that Europe has ever seen...(cont.)
Quinibus 10 months ago
@Quinibus (cont. 13) With the Reformation comes another shift. The Apostolic Church and actual text of the Bible grow in importance, the early fathers of the Church decline, in certain areas more than others, and classical antiquity drops off the radar completely in Protestant lands. Instead what one increasingly finds is a fascination with Old Testament fundamentalism and what today might be called fascist theocracy (think early Calvinists, Huguenots, Puritans, etc.). These people would..(cont)
Quinibus 10 months ago
@Quinibus (cont. pt 14) ..not at all be interested in the ancient pagan writers, certainly not Ovid, who was so essential to men like Shakespeare and the great artists of the Renaissance.
Following a long era of religious conflict and competing theocracies, the men of the 18th Century began to disencumber themselves of all traces of radical religious thought, and began to reengage with classical Greece in a new way. We have, for instance, the rise of more pure forms of neo-classical...(cont.)
Quinibus 10 months ago
@Quinibus (cont. pt 15) ...art and architecture (think Federal-period American buildings, or neoclassical painters like David and Ingres). There was, perhaps for the first time, a genuine interest in things purely Greek (at least partly because there was enough burgeoning scholarship to allow the West for the first time to accurately separate Greek, Roman, Hellenistic, and Christian). At the same time, once has a more firm and meaningful emergence of purely empirical science ...(cont.)
Quinibus 10 months ago
@Quinibus (cont. pt 16) ...and the Enlightenment is born.
So, my point in this meandering survey of Western history is this: the 18th century is not the 17th century, which is not the Renaissance, which is not the Middle Ages. Medieval Scholasticism (besides being primitive and, as a result, wrong on virtually everything) is not anything like the learning of the Renaissance (where the emphasis is largely pagan, and again, not benefiting from our ages of scholarship, frequently...(cont.)
Quinibus 10 months ago
@Quinibus (cont. pt 17) wrong), which is in turn nothing like the Protestant cultures that eventually developed in the north, and certainly none of them even remotely resemble the world that developed in the 18th century (where, again - and I cannot emphasize this enough - Augustine, Boethius, and Aquinas would *not* have been regarded as essential figures or as essential, key parts of education).
The same year as the American Revolution, there was Gibbon's publication of The Decline..(cont)
Quinibus 10 months ago
@Quinibus (cont. pt 18) and Fall of the Roman Empire. If you want to understand the reevaluation of the early church fathers which was developing in the era, you should also start reading that - particularly his famous 15th and 16th chapters. Gibbon dissects the history of the early church and places it in its elements in the relevant contexts.
Also, whether you have a high opinion of Voltaire or not is irrelevant to the discussion at hand. The fact of the matter is that the men of the..(cont)
Quinibus 10 months ago
@Quinibus (cont. pt 19) ...18th century had a high opinion of him, and if you want to understand the mindset of men like Jefferson, Candide is a good place to start.
As for Jefferson and atheism, I think it's clear that the Deist view point is essentially a compromise. It states that, yes, Christianity is a completely absurd and unbelievable system, but at the same time we cannot explain the seeming mathematical perfection of the Universe, and therefore we posit that perhaps there is ..(cont)
Quinibus 10 months ago
@Quinibus (cont. pt 20) ...an intelligence at work behind it. Two things make this compromise unnecessary in the modern world, however. The first, obviously, is Darwin. The second is Einstein's Theory of Relativity, which effectively explodes the assumption of divine clock maker idea by effectively dismantling the Newtonian system which the 18th century Enlightenment man would have been working from.
Further, whether *you* consider Jefferson an atheist or a "heretic" is immaterial. His..(cont)
Quinibus 10 months ago
@Quinibus (cont. pt 21) ...contemporaries frequently accused him of atheism and regarded his occasional sops to the religious as very weak equivocations. I don't think that any rational person can view Deism as effectively a form of atheism compromised for a world which finds atheism socially unacceptable.
[I know this is lengthy and rambling, but I don't know where to begin correcting your mistaken notions of history - be sure to click on the "view more comments" link, and my posts ..(cont.)
Quinibus 10 months ago
@Quinibus (cont. pt. 22) ..will be lined up quite neatly]
Quinibus 10 months ago
@Quinibus This is another part of the our current age..and the defects of the education
that leaves millions stranded i the Cult of Cultural Relativism. This kind of fragmented
collection of factoids. You cant understand Aquinas..because you cannot understand yourself.
You judge everything through the lens of whats happening now..and your own emotional
blockages. It produces the modern journalist, the modern computer geek..but nothing more
ehunter2 10 months ago
@ehunter2 As a brilliant fellow like yourself doubtless knows, discussions that don't begin in definitions end in opinions, to quote Aristotle.So before this nonsense goes any further, tell me what "Cultural Relativism" means to you. And when you do so, don't fall into the obvious traps. Don't rant about whatever you imagine me to be - that's argumentum ad hominem. Don't rant about the age we live in -that has nothing to do with whatever "Cultural Relativism" is. Just state what you think it is.
Quinibus 10 months ago
@Quinibus First Cultural Relativism is the complete inability to understand the assumptions
and foundations of your own culture. Like Teenagers who have no concept of how the world works
or how hard it is to make things happen..but constantly criticize the adult world for its imperfections.
It is not realizing why you think Voltaire is so cool..but are completely unable to understand the
Christianity that allowed Voltaire to exist in first place.
ehunter2 10 months ago
@ehunter2 Argumentum ad Hominem again. Let me make this very clear in case if you don't understand what this fallacy is or what it means: *It doesn't matter who I am or what I believe.* That doesn't have any bearing upon the truth of whatever point you hope to make. If I state that I believe the sky is blue, and it turns out that I am a serial killer, being a serial killer did not condition my belief that the sky is blue, nor does the establishment that I am a serial killer disprove the..(cont)
Quinibus 10 months ago
@Quinibus (cont. pt 2) the blueness of the sky.
You still have not established what "Cultural Relativism" is or what it means. You've merely asserted that there are people you don't like who believe in it.
Quinibus 10 months ago
@Quinibus Also, I did not state that Voltaire is "cool" - I stated that if you want to understand the Enlightenment's approach to religion, begin with Candide. Whether *I* sanction the individual contents of Candide is, again, irrelevant. It has no bearing upon whether the men of the Enlightenment thought of the work.
Again, if Voltaire's ribaldry offends your sense of sexual propriety, then there's Paine's Age of Reason, Gibbon's Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, and anything by Swift.
Quinibus 10 months ago
@Quinibus Jeffersons "Bible" demonstrate that he was a heretic..not a atheist. He tried
to reconcile Christianity with 18th Century rationalism. Jefferson had a intellectual blindspot her
in that he seemed incapable of understanding "revealed" religion vs something rationally arrived at.
This is not atheism by a long shot.
ehunter2 10 months ago
@Sleeper99999 WRONG.. McCarthy was given his lists by J Edgar Hoover..who ENCOURAGED
McCarthy
ehunter2 10 months ago
ANOTHER TV FED MORON...with 3 cents worth of historical factoids.
ehunter2 11 months ago
EVERY THING...EVERYTHING MCCARTHY SAID..WAS 100% TRUE.
Proven by decoded Soviet transcripts revealed 50 years later.
THERE WERE HUNDREDS OF SOVIET SPIES AT THE HIGHEST LEVELS
OF THE US GOVT. FROM TREASURY SECRETARY TO ADVISOR TO
THE PRESIDENT. TO THE INNER CIRCLES OF THE STATE DEPT.
ehunter2 11 months ago
@ehunter2 Wow... Must be true if you wrote it in all caps like that... =\
The guy was scum. Such a contemptible sonofabitch that TWO villains in The Manchurian Candidate (1962) were based on him.
applescruff909 11 months ago
@applescruff909
Did I startle you? Was I too harsh? Can we make life more like the
Disney cartoons you love so much? A nice Teletubby sing along with lots of happy faces
and funny animals?
ehunter2 11 months ago
Aren't lunatics just precious?
applescruff909 11 months ago
@applescruff909 Yeah..especially the type we have millions of in this country.
Pumped full of leftist media drivel...compliant, docile, fully cooperating with their
own programmed suicide. Precious? Maybe. Depressing and predictable. Definitely
ehunter2 11 months ago
@ehunter2 There is a difference between "There were Soviet agents within the federal government" and "Everything McCarthy said was 100 percent true," I'm sure you will agree. McCarthy's grandstanding and outright lying - yes, lying - was an impediment to actual, professsional efforts at counterespionage by our intelligence community.
Sleeper99999 10 months ago
@Sleeper99999 I see..so the Left was just opposed to McCarthys tactics eh? And this explains
the decades of denial by the left as to the nature of the Soviet Union, and this explains the Lefts
constant undermining of every effort to combat Communism..whether the "Anti War" movement scam
or the demands the US Intelligence be dismantled..to the denials that Islam is a threat to the
denials of their own motives in denying this.
ehunter2 10 months ago
@Sleeper99999
Quote from History of FBI "Had observers known in the 1950s what they have learned since the 1970s, when the Freedom of Information Act opened the Bureau's files, 'McCarthyism' would probably be called 'Hooverism.'"[
ehunter2 10 months ago
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TairyGreen89 11 months ago
MCarthy was an alcholic hack bastard, glad someone finally stood up to that scumbag
ReadmanJ 1 year ago
@davisfleetwood: ugh... Keith Olbermann knows the origin of the phrase. He referenced it often in Countdown as an apt homage almost every time.
::whoosh::>>>[similarity of past + present]>>>::whoosh::
you, obviously: O?O ::looking up:: "wha' happened?"
you, after reading this entire comment: ┐('～`；)┌ "herp derp."
p.s. your hair--comb it or something.
themostamyazing 1 year ago 2
Hey, it's Judge Weaver from 'Anatomy of a Murder'!
"There's a certain light connotation attached to the word "panties." Can we find another name for them?
...."Now, Mr. Dancer, get off the panties. You've done enough damage."
FungusMossGnosis 1 year ago
schwänze gehören in die mumus, da gehör'n sie hin, und nirgends sonst. schwanz im arsch ist einfach nur abartig, sowas muss echt nicht sein, sir.
Leinadi 1 year ago
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@MrColeStone nyuk nyuk nyuk nyuk......
megatron0357 1 year ago
So the bit is, to claim that history that did occur, did not, because of this one fabled phrase?
I'm going to have to admit: kinda lame.
MattGues 1 year ago
Your hair looks fucking stupid.
manmanguy 1 year ago
Today, there is plenty of Evidence to show that Joe McCarthy was telling the truth! Joe McCarthy, was a great American man indeed! Glen Beck is a great American man indeed! Bill O' Reilly is a great American man indeed! Go Fox News! If you don't like America then get the hell out of America NOW!
NOBULLSPIN1 1 year ago
What exactly is yesterday's bean burrito in that metaphor?
clai212 1 year ago
McCarthy was right the whole time. We should've listened.
Maat922 1 year ago
@Maat922 Really? About what?
pvisserandorra 1 year ago
@Maat922 McCarthy using communist tactics to fight communism. Lives that were ruined because of this pathetic drunk and his swarmy sidekick Cohen. The Republican party is a facism party.
twilite142 1 year ago 8
@twilite142 ...so a fascist used communist tactics? I don't follow. And the leftists are a communist party. So I guess since the repubs are fascists, and the dems are commies, we're all fucked pretty much, and in the end, freedom loses?
Maat922 1 year ago
@Maat922 McCarthy was self serving, nothing else.
manmanguy 1 year ago
mc carthy was right
noblewulfff 1 year ago
@noblewulfff - no he wasn't.
CyeOutsider 1 year ago
@CyeOutsider Ah, yes he was. Do a search for the Venona Files. Let the facts show you not your ideology.
ckairnes68 1 year ago
McCarthy's aim was, first to last, increasing his own power. And he didn't let the truth get in his way.
gary1792 1 year ago 8
cool !
MARYLANDSTATEVOTERS 1 year ago
McCarthy, like Glenn Beck, was a loser who had a following of idiots.
Vodichka9 1 year ago 33
@Vodichka9 Or, to put it another way, some imbecile in the company of imbeciles
verne12 1 year ago
What the fuck is wrong with your hair?
LolCaramelz 1 year ago
And before you call me an American-hating communist, im not a liberal. Im very centered, understanding both sides of the argument. But what angers me are the extreme rights who are absolutely insane and believe everything told to them by their deified glenn beck, even though all facts prove the contrary.
sportfreak293 1 year ago 3
@sportfreak293 The extreme right has become the center.
Vodichka9 1 year ago
All these extreme conservatives here are idiotic! Moderate conservatives admit Mccarthy was a total fraud. Out of the hundreds of people he accused, actually only 9 have been proven communist. Mccarthy today would have a seat at Fox news, so you extremist could salivate at your hero. Please tell me all these "communists" in the government today that you speak of, because i would love to here from you experts how they all have secret plans to destroy the government (if you say obama ill laugh)
sportfreak293 1 year ago 2
McCarthy was right in the 1940's and the 1950's and McCarthy is still right today in 2010!! The person doing the voice over for this video is 100000% wrong period! McCarthy was a great man indeed! A++++ The left wing and or liberals will always hate America! If you don't like America and if you do don't like Capitalism then you need to move out of America now and move into a communist or a socialist country!
NOBULLSPIN1 1 year ago
@NOBULLSPIN1 McCarthy was no Great Man, he was simply using the fear that came out of the Communist takeover of China to further his political career, and he did this by accusing any and all who opposed him of being communists. Before you start spewing idiocy from the anonymity of your keyboard, you might want to glance through a high-school US History book so you can see how wrong you actually are. Also, on the note of your attack on Liberals, I am one, and would personally die for my country
tmt1993 1 year ago 3