i'm not based on rummors, everyone can see the turkish (ottoman) and british documents on the immigrents movements. The arabs refused to recieve and devide the country, because they didnt see themselef as a palestinian nation.The arab leaders told to the palestinians at 1948 to run away. only 20% was expeled! you can compare with jews in the arab countries, and you will see who dont have the right to cry.
@Kobi07061985 Your information is false. There was a Palestinian uprising against Egyptian rule in the 1800's, so the argument that most Palestinians were recent immigrants in the 1900's is false. Yes the Palestinians refused to divide the country and saw themselves as part of the Arab people. This does not mean that they should be expelled out of Palestine. And the Israeli military archives reveal that there were ethnic cleansing campaigns carried out by Ben Gurion.
@Kobi07061985 any person who is denied the right of return to his home is considered expelled. It does not have to be at the point of a gun. The Arab leaders who told Palestinians to run away did it because they could not protect them from the Zionist militias. That part is left out of your version of events. Even if they told them to leave, they still have a right to go home. So do the Jews from Arab countries, so please don't say that you have a right but we don't. We are all human beings.
and if you speak about christians, look what happen with them in the west bank, gaza lebanon and egypt and compare with Israel. You can compare this about druze and other religions.
@Kobi07061985 I didn't say that Jews have no justification to live in Israel. Don't put words in my mouth. You're suffering from delusions of paranoia. How else can you claim I said something that I never did? Palestinians are not immigrants. They have lived there for centuries and can trace their families back, just like I can. It is documented fact. The person who told you otherwise doesn't know the history properly.
but, all of you assume that Israel killed or racist and now you say with false assumptions that the jews jave no justifications to live in Israel. I just say that the world is hypocrite with Israel and palestinians used a cheap propganda and change the history details. The palestinians and the zionists are immigrantes movements, the palestiniansdidnt live in "palestine" constantly in the history.
what about the arab jewish catastropha in the arab nations? no "palestinian" will tell you that his grandfather came from other arab country. Even Tasser Araffat borned in Cairo.
maby your grandfather yes but not ghis father. face with the true, there are ottoman and british documents that show massive immigration from the balkan and arab nations. The palestinians are the same like the zionists, the both are immigrantes. But, don't forget that no one limit this immigration diffrently from the jewish that the british authnomy limited this immigration.
@Kobi07061985 his father was also from Gaza, and his father's father. I know my family's history dating back centuries. Was there any immigration? Probably. But are the majority of Palestinians immigrants? No. You've been told exaggerations in order to justify your racist views. So go fuck yourself.
humhum, untill now i see that you are the racist, you can identify with the palestinian suffer, not with your muslim brothers in kurdistan that ardogan killed or with iranian youngs only because the leaders are against Israel. I don't want all the land and all the "palestinians" will go back to their sources. But the only way to the peace that you will realize that Israel is not temporarly country and know history and not the cheap fake propganda that the extremists touched you.
@Kobi07061985 well the fact that you automatically assume that I'm Muslim proves that you're a racist. Just recently I defended Kurdish rights, and I do not support Iran. Making assumptions like that will only lead you in the dark. Whether Israel is temporary or not is not the point; the point is that it has to respect everyone's rights.
@NECHOII However, if Arab Jews demand the right to return or compensation, then I have no problem with that. But why before there is a Palestinian settlement? It would happen at the same time. But Israel will never agree to talk about the Jews who were expelled because it would set a precedent for ALL refugees to be compensated or restituted; both Jewish and Palestinian.
@ HUMHUM26 : NONSENSE ! Israel most certainly DOES care about it. Some of the Jews who were forced to leave their ancestral Arab homes still reminise fondly about what they had to leave behind. Before there is ANY Palestinian settlement, ALL the Jews must be fairly compensated for the loss of their property from all the Arab and Iranian governments ! The dollar amount is estimated to be nearly 100 billion dollars !
@NECHOII It would go against Israel's interest to care about it. It would harm Israel's Jewish majority if Israel were to highlight the plight of Arab Jews who were expelled. And that's because it could cause a lot of Jews to demand their right to return, and Israel cannot afford a mass Jewish emigration. That's why Israel DOES NOT care about it.
@HUMHUM : I wonder why there has not been a single U.N. Resolution CONDEMNING all the Arab countries that seized Jewish property and forced or harassed Jewish people into leaving their homes in Arab lands in which they lived for centuries in the mid 20th century ?! Just wondering.
@NECHOII probably because Israel doesn't care about it. It wouldn't be in Israel's interests for Arab Jews to exercise their right to return to their lands.
@ HUMHUM26 : OH MY GOODNESS GRACIOUS ME ! Apparently another great Zionist warrior who played a major role in Israel's smashing victory in the Six Day War and who handled with a firm but sensible hand, the First Intifada, YITZAK RABIN HAS ALSO WON THE NOBEL PEACE PRIZE ( 1N 1995 )
@NECHOII I love how you just gloss over what I write without actually thinking about it. Congratulations, you've just won the Dumbass Prize for - wait for it - being a Dumbass!
@HUMHUM26 : I was SO VERY VERY HAPPY to learn that in 1978 ISRAEL'S TRULY GREAT PRIME MINISTER MENACHEM BEGIN WON THE NOBEL PRIZE FOR - wait for it - PEACE ! See ?! I TOLD YOU the Palestinians GOT HIM ALL WRONG, when MENACHEM and his men " tidied up " the Holy Land in 1948 - 1949.
Funny how this documentary AL NAKBA : THE PALESTINIAN CATASTROPHE missed this little tidbit of information !
@NECHOII Arafat also won the Nobel prize. So, I guess you got him all wrong too lol. I'm being sarcastic, by the way. The Nobel prize is often misguided.
@humhum26 : In Egypt, Jews were FORCED to sign " DECLARATIONS " "DONATING " all their property to the Egyptian government ! In 1948 there were some 80,000 Jews in Egypt. Today there are less than 100.
The amount of Jewish money stolen in Arab lands is now worth OVER 80 BILLION DOLLARS !
@ HUMHUM26 : You write that Jews were " not forced " to leave their homes in Arab lands. Well, you are playing with words. These poor people fled their homes in Arab lands because of blatant discrimination against them, not to mention all the POGROMS which the Muslims conducted against them'
In 1948 Jews owned 38, 625 square miles of land in Arab countries. Today, THAT IS ALL GONE !
@HUMHUM26 : Well, the Israelis did leave their homeland " out of fear " during the Israeli War of Independence !" THEY STAYED AND FOUGHT FOR THEIR COUNTRY !
It is fascinating to ot that the name PALESTINE means " ROLLING " or " MIGRATORY ! " PALESTINE IS NOT EVEN A ARAB NAME - IT IS A ROMAN NAME !
@NECHOII The Israelis didn't have to leave. Their forces were engaged in mass expulsion operations. The point remains that those who leave have the right to return.
@HUMHUM26 : By rights, the Palestinian refugees of 1948 leaving their homes negates their " right of return " because they VOLUNTARILY left their homes. If you voluntarily leave your homes then you FORFEIT your right to return at some later date GOD only knows when !
@NECHOII Show me a UN document which states that if you "voluntarily" leave your home then you forfeit your right to return. Also, the historical record shows that the majority left out of fear, not "voluntarily".
@HUMHUM26 : It must NEVER BE FORGOTTEN that in 1948 it was the Arab leaders who urged 750,000 Palestinians to flee the Holy Land. The Arab leaders promised these Palestinian refugees AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN that in a VERY SHORT TIME, all traces of Zionist Israel WOULD BE DESTROYED and that THEY WOULD BE BACK IN THEIR HOMES !
THEY LIED, BUT TO THIS DAY, THE PALESTINIANS ARE STILL BEING MADE THE SAME EMPTY CRACKPOT PROMISES !
@NECHOII Actually there were conflicting statements by Arab leaders. Some told the Palestinians to stay at home or else be considered traitors. Others told them to leave simply because they could not protect them from the Hagannah, Irgun and Stern terrorists. But let's say that it's true that they all told them to leave or that Israel would be destroyed. So what? How does that negate their right to return? How does that conflict with their right to return? It doesn't.
@ HUMHUM26 : You have the NERVE to write to me about ethnic cleansing ?! What about all the JEWS who have been expelled from Morocco, Algeria, Libya, Egypt, Jordan, Iraq, Syria, Iran and other countries. They too are " HERITARY REFUGEES " who " HAVE THE RIGHT TO RETURN " to the various homelands and be FULLY COMPENSATED WITH INTEREST FOR THEIR PROPERTY AND BANK ACCOUNTS THAT WERE CONFISCATED BY VARIOUS ARAB DICTATORS - RIGHT ?!
The ethnic cleansing of Palestine has been well documented by now. The Zionist leadership had no choice but to expel them if they wanted a Jewish and democratic state. The horrific stories are documented and so are the orders given. Israel will have to respect international law and human rights if it wants peace. The right of return is the only solution.
You can't support human rights but not the right to return. And Israel should respect UN resolutions since it was a UN resolution that brought it into existence.
It's interesting that for so long the UN declared Zionism as racist. The fact that it was revoked tells u that politics was involved. But the resolution was not based on the UN Charter of Rights. The charter doesn't mention Zionism obviously. But the right to return to one's home is a right enshrined under human rights law and the charter.
Israel's occupation destroys the economy with its closures and restrictions on movement and demolitions. So Palestinians are forced to seek work for rich settlers who are able to pay more. It is about survival under a brutal military regime. I mentioned the nazis to show that u r in no position to laugh about a tragic situation like this.
@ Speaking of United Nations Resolutions, how about that U.N. Resolution 3379 which declares that ZIONISM IS RACISM. This Resolution was passed by majority vote on Nov. 10, 1975
But then on Dec. 16, 1991, this RIDICULOUS Resolution was REVOKED by U.N. majority vote under Resolution 46/86 !
RESOLUTION 3379 IS THE ONLY RESOLUTION IN U.N. HISTORY TO BE REVOKED ! It may not be the only one.
@HUMHUM26 : Yes, there were hundreds of Jews who worked for the Nazis in the concentration camps in a frantic, desperate effort to STAY ALIVE - TO SURVIVE ! It did them no good as the Nazis ended up killing them all anyway. The 22,000 Palestinians who work for the Zionists DO NOT face a life and death situation. They work for Zionists because as they say, " The money's good and we have families to support. "
If the Palestinians had accepted partition, Israel wouldn't exist today. I see no point in continuing this silly debate if you don't accept that. So how about we end it here and you can go spread your racism somewhere else. I've simply had enough of your childish, repetitive arguments.
@ HUMHUM26 : IMAGINE ! 22,000 Palestinians helping to build the Zionist State on the West Bank ! Don't you just love it ?! BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA !!!!
I thought I made myself clear on RESOLUTION 194. I agree with the Israelis interpretation of it. That Resolution was meant for the 1948 Palestinian refugees ONLY and ONLY IF " THEY COME TO LIVE IN PEACE WITH THEIR NEIGHBOURS " as the document says.
@NECHOII oh by the way, yes I do love it. They're working towards Israel's destruction because the more Israel builds in the West Bank, the closer we get to a one-state solution ;)
@NECHOII Israel's interpretation of 194 is racist. It generalizes all the Palestinian families. You can't interpret a resolution that way. You can't ASSUME how ALL families feel and whether they will live in peace or not. You're a fucking idiot if you do. I will consider that you do not support 194 and therefore you are a hypocrite moron and have no right to bring up 181.
@HUMHUM26 :...would have lived in their sector of land.
HEY, ARE YOU AWARE THAT THERE ARE 22,000 PALESTINIANS WORKING FOR THE ZIONISTS IN THE WEST BANK ?! The Palestinians work in CONSTRUCTION , BUILDING ZIONIST HOUSING. Also, the Palestinians work in ZIONIST WEST BANK AGRICULTURE, MANUFACTURING and SERVICE INDUSTRIES !!
The PALESTINIAN AUTHORITY IS OUTRAGED, BUT THESE 22,000 Palestinians work for Zionists because THE PAY IS GOOD !
@NECHOII Are you aware than thousands of Jews worked for the Nazis? The Palestinians work for the Zionists to survive under a brutal military occupation. They still have to feed their families. And they're forced to do it by working in the settlements because the Israeli occupation makes it difficult to have a good economy. So it's strategic on Israel's part.
@HUMHUM26 : NO, that is NOT correct. Most of the Palestinians that fled in 1948 left of their own free will to escape the fighting. Again, none of those Israeli leaders you mentioned, except Joseph Weitz, said any of those things against the Palestinians. If the Palestinians had accepted the U. N. Partitiion Plan of 1947, it would have worked. The Palestinians would have lived in their section of land and the Israelis
@NECHOII lol there you go again making statements without backing them up. How old are you? The Israeli military archives revealed that thousands were expelled by force. The UN partition plan wouldn't have worked out because there were too many Palestinians living in the Jewish section. That's it. Plain simple. Get over it.
@NECHOII The quotes I wrote are, for the most part, correct until proven otherwise. I'm not going to just take your racist word for it that they were fake. The Oxford University Press is legit. Get over that too.
At the end of the day, the point is, if the Palestinians had accepted the partition plan, Israel wouldn't have existed - not as a democratic state anyway. If you can't see that, then there is no point to continue this silly debate.
HUMHUM26 : Oh, by the way, the PALESTINIAN ARAB WAQF DOES OWN SOME LAND IN ISRAEL. Can you tell me how much land Jews own in Egypt, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Algeria, Morocco, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, etc. ?
@NECHOII By the way, I do not support Iran at all, but are you aware that there is a Jew in the Iranian parliament? Does that mean Jews are treated fairly in Iran? Nope. And likewise, it doesn't mean that Arabs are treated fairly in Israel just because they have representatives in the Knesset. Maybe you should hear out what those representatives have to say.
@NECHOII Just the fact that Israeli Arabs exist in Israel tells you that the problem isn't with the Palestinians, for they are one and the same with Israeli Arabs. It tells you that coexistence is possible. If the numbers of Palestinians wasn't the problem, Israel would have given them citizenship and annexed the West Bank a long time ago. They had no trouble annexing Jerusalem.
@NECHOII All land lost by Palestinians and by Jews from Arab countries should be restituted. It's required by international law. By the way, you haven't answered my question. Do you support UN resolution 194? Do you support the right of refugees to return home after a time of conflict?
HUMHUM26 : In the very FIRST KNESSET, THREE PALESTINIANS WERE ELECTED TO IT. SEIF EL - DIN EL - ZUBI and AMIN - SALIM JARJORA of the Democratic List of Nazareth Party and TAWFIK TOUBI of the Mapi Party.
Today in the 120 seat Knesset, there are ELEVEN PALESTINIANS duly elected to it, including one woman HANEEN ZOABI.
Now, HUMHUM26 - can you give me a list of ALL THE JEWS ELECTED to the Parliaments of EGYPT, SYRIA, JORDAN & IRAQ ?
@NECHOII Palestinians are elected to the Knesset because they represent a minority. If they represented a majority, Israel would expel them. And that's exactly what happened in 48. They reduced them to a minority and only then allowed them to become citizens. You want a list of all the Jews elected to Arab parliaments? Are you aware that there are uprisings and revolutions happening in the Arab world now? You write as if the Arab people support their governments. Are you stupid?
HUMHUM26 : And as for JOESPH WEITZ - his ideas for " Arab population transfers " were REJECTED by DAVID BEN GURION.
Look - in ISRAEL today ( not including the West Bank or Gaza ), there LIVE 815,000 Arabs. 209,000 live in JERUSALEM, 66,300 live in NAZARETH, 25,200 live in HAIFA and the rest live in various towns and villages in Israel ! SO MUCH FOR ZIONIST MASS EXPULSION OF PALESTINIANS !!!
@NECHOII Although Ben Gurion may have rejected Weitz's idea, he went ahead and implemented it when the time was ripe, as the Israeli military archives revealed. How could he not? There were too many Arabs in the Jewish state. And Israel Koenig did recommend the Judaization of the Galilee, to which the Zionist leadership complied; something that still goes on today at the expense of "Arab Israelis." So you can take your so-called "trap" and shove it up your Zionist ass.
@NECHOII The numbers of Arabs in Israel make up 20% of Israel's population. They are not a majority. That's why Israel allows them to remain. Ben Gurion expelled enough Palestinians to insure a Jewish majority, not a state of only Jews. Yet, still, the Arab Israelis face discrimination and exclusion and expulsions because their numbers are growing and they sympathize with the Palestinian cause.
@ HUMHUM26 : LOL ! YOU FELL RIGHT INTO MY TRAP !!!!
First of all, these FAKE Zionist quotes come from NEO NAZI, HAMAS and other PALESTINIAN PROPAGANDA ORGANIZATIONS ! DAVID BEN GURION, ARIEL SHARON & ISRAEL KOENIG NEVER MADE THESE STATEMENTS !
CHAIRMAN HEILBRUN, AMOS OZ, YORAM BAR PORATH and GENERAL OUZE MERHAM NEVER EXISTED ! Yoram BEN Porath was an Israeli PEACE ACTIVIST !
@NECHOII Ariel Sharon? Where did I quote Ariel Sharon? You're obviously reading off of some article. I did not quote Sharon. Ben Porath is a member of "Peace Now", which does not believe in the right of return and denies the Nakba, except for this individual, apparently. But I don't consider them peace activists. And Porath was the president of Hebrew University! Obviously a very important figure in Israeli society. Ben Gurion's quotes were published by the Oxford University Press.
@NECHOII Is the Oxford University Press nazi? or is part of Hamas? LOL. You were way too quick to denounce the quotes as fake just because one or two are questionable and you saw a bunch of other fake ones on some website. Are you aware that Ben Gurion ordered the "TIHUR" of Arab villages? Tihur means "cleansing" in Hebrew. This is quoted in the ISRAELI MILITARY ARCHIVES. Are they nazis too? HAHAHA.
@NECHOII “We must expel Arabs and take their places." - David Ben Gurion; "We must spirit the penniless population across the frontier by denying it employment... Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly." - Herzl; "We have to kill all the Palestinians unless they are resigned to live here as slaves." - Chairman Heilbrun;
@NECHOII "We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population?' Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said ‘Drive them out’” - Yitzhak Rabin; "We must use TERROR, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population." - Israel Koenig;
@NECHOII "Between ourselves it must be clear that there is no room for both peoples together in this country. We shall not achieve our goal if the Arabs are in this small country. There is no other way than to transfer the Arabs from here to neighboring countries - all of them. Not one village, not one tribe should be left." - Joseph Weitz;
@NECHOII "It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism, colonialization or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands." - Yoram Bar Porath
@NECHOII "If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?" - David Ben Gurion
@NECHOII Yes, we should put an end to the Zionist enterprise because it's racist. It expropriates Palestinian land on a daily basis and expels Palestinians from their homes. But Jews should not be expelled and no faction advocates for this. I can also give you quotes from Zionist leaders calling for expulsions and terror.
We are one step closer to the one state solution becaus 2 state solution is going to fail. Then Palestinians will demand civil rights like their right to vote.
so you determine things by asking ppl on the internet? how many palestinians did u talk to? there are 8 million. Nowhere does the PLO or PA or the Boycott National Committee call for the expulsion of Jews.
HUMHUM26 : Can you explain to me what with George Mitchell leaving and the Palestinian factions now united, all vowing ( except one ) to wipe Zionist Israel off the face of the Earth, and Israel BY FAR AND AWAY THE STRONGEST POWER IN THE MIDDLE EAST, HOW exactly are we " one step closer to a one state solution ?! "
@HUMHUM26 : Almost every Arab and Palestinian that I have talked to on the Internet, has made it very clear to me that they want every Jew who arrived in " Palestine " on and after December 9, 1917 expelled as they claim from that date, Jews immigrated to " Palestine " illegally because it was under occupation by a foreign infidel invader - the British and then by the " illegal Zionist entity. "
Nakkba #1 = devastation of British actions to quell Arab uprising.
Nakkba #2 = expulsion of Arab Jews from Arab country countries in 1940s.
Nakkba #3 = commemoration of results of Arab failure to kill all Palestinian Jews, Jewish refugees from the Middle East, North Africa, and Europe in 19940s. Palestinian Jews changed identity to Israeli and nearly 20 years later Palestinian Arabs changed their identity to Palestinian. Real documented historical truths vs. Arab myths and propaganda! LOL!!!
When people talk about the Palestinian refugees you should respond with some simple questions; Why are there still refugees in camps - Why have they been kept as political pawns – Why did the UN pass a resolution banning Israel from improving housing conditions for the refugees in Gaza - and finally and most importantly, Where is all the money that the international community including the UK and the USA
@ HUMHUM26 : Resolution 194. passed by the U.N. on Dec, 11, 1948 talks about the right of Palestinians right to return to their " homeland. " PROVIDED THEY RETURN TO LIVE IN PEACE WITH THEIR ( ZIONIST ) NEIGHBOURS ! Every Palestinian I've talked to, including you say that is unacceptable. Palestinians want all Jews who arrived after Dec. 9, 1917 EXPELLED and the Zionist State of Israel OBLITERATED ! FORGET THAT !
@NECHOII Where did I say that was unacceptable? You are wrong to say that Palestinians want Jews expelled, as I already told you, so please stop making that argument, you repetitive moron.
emotional statements without backing them up with facts. it's because you're so angry or maybe just stupid. You dumbass, if resolution 194 wasn't applicable to descendants of palestinians, Israel would have recognized it. But we all know Israel won't even entertain the refugee issue.
I said UNRWA said that. You're so blind. You cant even read my posts properly because your anger and hatred are so strong. Yes, children of refugees are refugees, that's what the UN says so I dont give a fuck what a racist sinner like u thinks. I also already told u that there were Palestinian kings and cities. You haven't disproven that. No facts on your end. All you do is make emotiomal
@ HUMHUM26 : NO, RESOLUTION 194 does NOT say that ! Whoever heard of ' HEREDITARY REFUGEES " who HAVE NEVER LIVED IN " PALESTINE " demanding TO GO BACK TO A " COUNTRY " THAT HAS NEVER EXISTED; HAS NO PALESTINIAN CITIES MONUMENTS, KINGS OR WRITINGS ???!!!
No wonder Middle East Special Envoy George Mitchell is quitting ! HUMHUM26 - give up your job as " GRAND SPINMEISTER " and look for other employment.
@ HUMHUM26 : I have gone on the U.N.R.W.A. website and reread RESOLUTION 194. There is NOTHING in this Resolution that says Palestinian refugee status IS HEREDITARY ! SHOW ME WHERE IT SAYS THAT !. Again, Resolution 194 was only meant for the 1948 - 1949 Palestinian refugees, most of whom now are dead.
The HEZBOLLAH and HAMAS - if they get their way would embark on a MASSIVE ETHNIC CLEANING OF ISRAELIS out of the Holy Land.
@NECHOII "The descendants of the original Palestine refugees are also eligible for registration. When the Agency started working in 1950, it was responding to the needs of about 750,000 Palestine refugees. Today, 4.8 million Palestine refugees are eligible for UNRWA services." - from the UNRWA website. If you really did go to the website, you would have found this because it's RIGHT THERE.
@NECHOII Let's not talk about what Hamas and Hezbollah would do if they got their way. I can easily say that if Israel got its way, it would expel all the Palestinians (and Israeli Arabs) TO JORDAN. That's why Zionist racists always say that "Jordan is the Palestinian state." I know it, and YOU know it. So let's stick to what IS actually happening not what would happen if so and so got their way.
@HUMHUM : MANY CONDITIONS WHICH I HAVE OUTLINED MUST be fullfilled first before Resolution 194 is even considered. You say I made a mistake re : Resolution 194 and the Right of Return FOR PRESENT DAY PALESTINIANS WHO HAVE NEVER BEEN THERE ?! Okay - where did you read this ?
@HUMHUM26 : Before there is ANY recognition of Resolution 194, ALL ARAB GOVERMENTS ( EGYPT, LIBYA, ALGERIA, MOROCCO, IRAQ ) MUST COMPENSTATE ALL LIVING JEWS FINANCIALLY FOR ALL THEIR PRIVATE PROPERTY AND BANK ACCOUNTS THEY CONFISCATED AS THEY EXPELLED THOUSANDS OF JEWS FROM THEIR LANDS !!! Then we will talk about recognizing Resolution 194.
It should be noted that HAMAS and HEZBOLLAH DO NOT SUPPORT BILL 194 BECAUSE IT RECOGNIZES ISRAEL !
@HUMHUM26 : RESOLUTION 194 is only a U.N. recommendation. IT IS NOT BINDING UNDER INTERNATIONAL LAW. Also, this Resolution was only meant for Palestinians ( who in most cases voluntarily ) left the Holy Land in 1948 - 1949. MOST OF THESE PALESTINIANS ARE NOW DEAD. THIS RESOLUTION WAS NEVER MEANT FOR PRESENT DAY PALESTINIANS WHO HAVE NEVER LIVED IN THE HOLY LAND !!!!
@NECHOII Took you long enough to look that up. Resolution 194 was a General Assembly resolution. It's not binding because it wasn't the Security Council that passed it. However, it is derived from the UN Charter of Rights and Freedoms and is a legitimate right under international law that all states should follow. Just because it's not enforceable, doesn't mean it's not a human right that should be respected. Moreover, the UN has REAFFIRMED the resolution many times.
@NECHOII Also, you are wrong to say that the resolution was not meant for the descendants of Palestinian refugees. It is. Whoever told you that it's not has misinformed you.
@ HUMHUM26 : Well, I see I am dealing with a minor intellectual here. EXPELLING THE JEWS IS NOT ON THE AGENDA ????????!!!!!
HEY MAN - have you read the Constitutions of the HAMAS and the HEZBOLLAH ????!!! And there are about 16 other Palestinian terrorist organizations who have vowed in the name of their Allah to wipe the " Zionist entity " off the face of the Earth !
@NECHOII You mean Charters not constitutions - and you call me the "minor intellectual" lol. Yes, I've read them. Likud's Charter doesn't recognize a Palestinian state, either. All these charters were written long ago and views have been modified over the years. The Palestinian movements may seek to abolish Zionism, and rightly so, but they do not seek to expel the Jewish people.
@HUMHUM26 : For several months BEFORE Israel became independent on May 14, 1948 there was fighting between Arabs and Jews with the British trying in vain to keep the peace. But the vital thing to remember is that the Jews ACCEPTED RESOLUTION 181. THE PALESTINIANS AND ALL OTHER ARAB NATIONS DID NOT ! The VERY NEXT DAY after Israel declared independence, FIVE ARAB NATIONS launched their war of EXTERMINATION against the Israelis !!!
@NECHOII No, that's not the vital thing to remember. If the Palestinians accepted resolution 181, Israel would still have to expel them - THAT's the vital thing to remember. It wasn't simply "fighting" that occurred between Arabs and Jews before May 14, it was an ethnic cleansing campaign initiated by Hagana and Irgun terrorists. This is documented and is fact.
HUMHUM26 : ...and Spain and France to get out of the lands of the Basques.
In the 1948 - 1949 war the Palestinians and the Arab countries did NOT respect the rights of the Zionists or the results of the U.N. Resolution 181 vote.
I understand more about society and politics than you think. The idea of nations making up countries was around long before the Treaty of Westphalia.
@NECHOII Yes, we should all tell China to get out of Tibet and Spain and France out of Basques. That's absolutely true. You know very well that China should not be in Tibet. Yes, international law makes it illegal to take land in war. It just hasn't been enforced because China and Israel are powerful and have US backing. That's why it's up to ordinary citizens of the world like us to push for respecting international law.
@NECHOII The Zionists did not respect the UN resolution 181 either. They immediately began operations to expel Palestinians from the space the UN allotted for a Jewish state and then they violated the resolution by taking more land than the resolution allotted for them. Then, AND ONLY THEN, did the Arab states intervene.
@HUMHUM26 : Are you kidding ? ALMOST ALL Arabs that I have spoken to do NOT want ANY type of peace treaty OR ANY U.N. RESOLUTION with Israel. They just want Israel wiped off the face of the Earth and ALL Jews who arrived in the Holy Land after Dec. 9, 1917 EXPELLED !
You say International Law makes it illegal to take land in war ??!! Then tell China to get out of Tibet and Iran, Iraq and Turkey to get out of Kurdistan
@NECHOII Well you've been speaking to the wrong Arabs. The Palestinian liberation movement seeks to achieve Palestinian rights, like the right of return, the right to be free of military rule, the right to be treated equally etc. The right to return is the most important right for Palestinians. Expelling the Jews is not on the agenda.
HUMHUM26 : Private property ownership whether it be Jewish or Palestinian does NOT entitle the property owners to a country.
Aa in any war, TO THE VICTOR GOES THE SPOILS OF BATTLE ! If Resolution 181 was illegal THEN ALL ARAB COUNTRIES SHOULD HAVE WALKED OUT OF THE U.N. BUILDING IN PROTEST. BUT THEY DID NOT. THEY VOTED ON THE RESOLUTION AND LOST ! DONE DEAL. ISRAEL IS HERE TO STAY.
@NECHOII We're not saying that it entitles the property owners to a country, but it DOES entitle them to the land they own. The "spoils of battle" only go to the victor in medieval times and the backwards mentality that you have. This is the 21st century. International Law makes it illegal to take land in war.
@NECHOII Yes, done deal, but then Israel expelled the Palestinians there because the Palestinians would have a strong vote since there were so many of them in the Jewish state. So the resistance against this crime is here to stay until Palestinian rights are respected and they're allowed to return to Israel.
HUMHUM26 : ...to win back their land as a sovereign and independent country as we know it are the Jews and the two great Jewish revolts, ( 66 A.D. - 70 A.D. and 132 A.D. - 135 A.D. ) as these patriots rose in revolt unsuccessfully against the occupying Roman forces !
If the Arabs had won the 1948 - 1949 war, THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN MASSIVE ETHNIC CLEANSING OF THE JEWISH POPULATION !
@NECHOII Let's stick to what has happened rather than what could or could not have happened. The only ethnic cleansing that DID occur was against the Palestinians by the Zionist forces, gangs, and terrorists. By the way, the Arab states proposed a one-state solution instead of the partition plan, so you can't know for sure what would have happened if the Arabs had won the war.
HUMHUM26 : ..beyond the river " requesting safe passage for him as he travelled through their lands. In MEDIEVAL ISLAMIC CALIPHATE, a type of passport was used in the form of BARA'A - a reciept for taxes paid. This entitled a citizen to legally travel to different regions of the Caliphate. KING HENRY V of ENGLAND ( 1386 - 1422 ) is credited with having invented the first true passport.
@HUMHUM26 : Of course, people's idea of a country was similiar " back then " to what it is today. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW FAR BACK FORMS OF PASSPORTS GO ?! Let me clue you in. BIBLE. NEHEMIAH 2 : 7 - 9, attributed to the time of the PERSIAN EMPIRE IN ABOUT 450 B.C., it is said that NEHEMIAH, an official serving KING ARTAXERXES I of Persia, asked leave to travel to JUDEA, and the King granted leave and gave him a LETTER, " to the governers
@NECHOII You have a limited knowledge of society and politics. It is agreed upon by scholars everywhere that the notion of a country has changed. The idea of the "nation-state" started with the Treaty of Westphalia. It means that NATIONS make up countries, whereas in the past, it wasn't "nations," but other ideas that could make up a country, like religion. But what's your point, anyway? It's irrelevant, as I already proved.
@HUMHUM26 : Let's not live in a world of fantasy here. The REALITY is the Palestinians DID NOT ACCEPT the LEGAL RESOLUTION 181. Neither did the Arab countries who took part in a vote on what you call a illegal resolution ! The Arab countries lost and being the sore losers that they were they vowed to " liberate Palestine " BY DRIVING THE ISRAELIS INTO THE SEA ! NOW THAT WAS ILLEGAL ! THEY LOST AGAIN IN THE WAR THAT FOLLOWED
@NECHOII So what if the Palestinians did not accept resolution 181? Does that give Israel the right to expel them? The resolution did not call for ethnic cleansing against those who do not accept. What's funny is that the ones who were driven into the sea were the Palestinians at the port of Haifa. They were escaping on boats and many drowned as they were being shot at and chased by Haganah militia.
@NECHOII We're just going in circles in case you haven't noticed. You've said the same thing over and over. It's not my problem if my answers don't satisfy your racist mind. And you still haven't answered my question about resolution 194, exposing yourself as a hypocrite.
@NECHOII The idea of a country back then was not the same as it is today. Sovereign, independent states with borders and a nation is a fairly recent idea in human history. The countries that exist today in Africa, the Middle East, and other parts of the world were only established in the past one or two hundred years. The point is that there never had to be a Palestinian country for our demands to be legitimate. The existence of a Palestinian country in the past is irrelevant.
@NECHOII It has no bearing on what's happening there. The Palestinian people owned the land in what became Israel in 1948. Whether there was a sovereign state in that area has nothing to do with it. They owned the land and lived on the land. Does that give Israel the right to expel them?
@HUMHUM26 : Gee ! The way you write it sure sounds like you don't support U.N. Resolution 181 to me. This Resolution divided the Holy Land and created an Israel and a Palestine to take effect on May 15, 1948. The Jews ACCEPTED this Resolution. The Palestinians and other Arab countries solution was NO SOLUTION - DESTROY THE LAND OF ISRAEL AND EXPEL ALL JEWS WHO ARRIVED ON OR AFTER DEC. 9, 1917 !
@NECHOII I'm just stating the facts. Resolution 181 violates the UN Charter. This is a fact. If Palestinians accepted the resolution, that's totally fine with me because Israel wouldn't have existed for long due to the numbers of Palestinians within the Jewish state. So, you gonna answer my question about 194 or just admit to being a hypocrite.
@HUMHUM26 : What are you talking about ? In ancient times DURING THE TIME OF THE TWO ANCIENT ISRAELI KINGDOMS THERE WERE MANY INDEPENDENT COUNTRIES IN THE MIDDLE EAST ! For example, Egypt, Moab, Mesoptamia, Assyria, Syria, Phoenicia, Persia, Edom, Nubia and more.
@NECHOII Those were not "countries" in the sense that we understand them today. "Countries" or "the nation state" as a territory with borders and a nation started with the Treaty of Westphalia in 1648. And that was only in Europe. It took a whole era of colonialism of spread that idea to the rest of the world. "Independent countries" were carved up in Africa and the Middle East and elsewhere. The places you mentioned were not "states", they were empires, which is very different.
@NECHOII There didn't have to be a "Palestinian Empire" to legitimize the existence of a Palestinian society and culture. There was a Muslim Empire that took over the region and that's when Palestinians became Arab by mixing with the Arabs who arrived there.
@ HUMHUM26 : You are STILL missing the point. There was a Arab community in the Holy Land when the the Zionists started arriving late in the 19th century. BUT THE LAND WAS OCCUPIED AND GOVERNED BY THE OTTOMAN TURKS ! There NEVER was an independent country called Palestine.
And YOU are a hypocite for supporting U.N. Resolution 194 and not supporting U'N. Resolution 181.
@NECHOII You dumbass, I already told you this twice: there didn't have to be an "independent country called Palestine" - independent countries did not exist in the whole of the Middle East and most of the world at that time! But the land was owned by Palestinians - through the Ottoman Land Registry Law. It was owned by Palestinians until Israel expelled them from their homes in 1948.
@NECHOII I didn't say I don't support resolution 181. I said it violated the UN charter - and it did. It violates the right to self-determination. It's a very unusual resolution as the UN isn't mandated to divide territories into different countries. I don't really care if resolution 181 passed or not. So, do you support resolution 194? I asked you the question. Find me a UN document that says 194 is invalid.
@ HUMHUM26 : The ancient Canaanities, with the sole exception of the Hebrew Canaanities, evolved into the PHOENICIANS.
You haven't answered my question. NAME ME AN ANCIENT PALESTINIANS KING WHO RULED FROM JERUSALEM ! HOW LONG DID HE RULE ? WHAT DID HE BUILD ? ALSO, SHOW ME PAPYRUS THAT HAS ANCIENT PALESTINIANS WRITING ON IT.
@NECHOII The Palestinians are descendants of Canaanites, Jebusites, Philistine tribes, and even Hebrews. All those people mixed and eventually became the Palestinian Arab when the Arabs settled in Palestine. The Ghassanids arrived early on and ruled the region. They had many Kings, look it up yourself. You can do your own research. Also, stop using CAPS. It's rude. And you sound like a baby crying for his bottle.
@NECHOII We are getting way ahead of ourselves, anyway. The history beyond 1800's is irrelevant. By the time the Zionists arrived in Palestine, there was a thriving Arab population already there. In a free and democratic vote, the UN voted that refugees have a right to return. You are a hypocrite to support resolution 181 but deny 194. Show me a UN document that denies the right of return for refugees.
HUMHUM26 : The Canaanities were long gone by the time the Yemenite Ghassanids arrived in the Levant between 250 A.D. - 300 A.D. They settled mostly in Syria. The Palestinians were desert nomads in the Negev area, seperate from the Ghassanids. Show me some ancient Palestinian writings.
@NECHOII The Canaanites may have been "long gone" as a culture, but the people themselves were integrated into those who settled in the region over the centuries, including the Ghassanids. Palestine was part of Syria up until Sykes-Picot.
@HUMHUM26 : You may have " answered " every logical argument that I have made, but you have yet to write anything that impresses me even in the smallest detail.
@ HUMHUM26 : The reality is you ARE just repeating yourself. The difference between you and me is that I REMIND you of what I have previously written and which you chose to skimp over without giving it due care and attention.
HUMHUM26 : On November 29, 1947, in a free and democratic vote, the United Nations MEMBER NATIONS INCLUDING ARAB NATIONS PARTICIPATED IN, voted Israel into existance. The Arabs could not accept the FACT that they lost the vote so FIVE ARAB NATIONS ATTACKED ISRAEL IN A DETERMINED EFFORT TO WIPE IT OUT ! THEY LOST AGAIN and now must live with their foolish actions ! ISRAEL, NOW A NUCLEAR POWER IS HERE TO STAY !
@NECHOII I already responded to your UN argument twice. You are blinded by your stubborness and emotions. I don't need to repeat myself, you are capable of scrolling down. Come on, now. Yes, good boy.
@HUMHUM26 : GHASSANIDS and PALESTINIANS are NOT one and the same. Recent genetic research shows Palestinians are descendeants of a core population that has lived in the Mediterranean area since PREHISTORIC TIMES. The ancient Palestinians were bedouins. The GHASSANIDS emigrated from Yemen and arrived in the Levant ( mostly Syria ) between 250 A.D. - 300 A.D.
The ancient Israelites were one of 30 Canaanite tribes.
@NECHOII haha, well at least you admit that Palestinians have been there since prehistoric times. But what do you think happened to the Ghassanids when they arrived in Palestine? They mixed with the Palestinians/Canaanites and became Palestinian. They ruled Palestine as a Roman vessel (ally). So, Palestinians have a history, and they had kings or notable and powerful leaderships. You admit it yourself when you said that they were there since "prehistoric times".
@ HUMHUM26 : What are you talking about ? The GHASSANIDS were a group of Christian Arab tribes who originally came from YEMEN ! They were Yemenities, NOT Palestinians.
@NECHOII They settled Palestine and became Palestinian, just like the Jews settled Canaan and made it into Israel and Judah. If you want to go even further in history, before the Jews lived the Canaanites who are the ancestors of many Palestinian families.
HUMHUM26 : Before December 1917, the OTTOMAN TURKS RULED PALESTINE. It is they that were the government in Palestine. Then the BRITISH WERE THE GOVERNMENT OF PALESTINE.
As for private ownership of land ( which by the way ANY GOVERNMENT IN THE WORLD has the right to expropriate land, including Canada ) Jewish immigrants ALSO OWNED LAND DEEDS.
@NECHOII I was talking even earlier than that. 3rd century. There were kings. But all of that is irrelevant, as I said. I'm not going to repeat it to a child like yourself. No country has the right to expropriate land from another people. It's in the UN charter of rights and freedoms. I guess you also think Canada has a right to expropriate Native land and that must mean you believe Hitler had a right to expropriate European land, which makes you a rabbid, disgusting anti-Semite. HAHAHA.
Do the research on your own, I think you're old enough. By the way, Palestinians did have "kings" like the Ghassanid Dynasty, with an ancient history of course. you're just in denial because you can't stand it. go do your research, it's all there. You pose statements without backing them up. Back up your statements you insignificant fool.
@ HUMHUM : NO , BRITISH MASTERS is NOT subjective and NO, not at any time did the land legally belong to the Palestinians. Palestinians had NO Kings, NO ancient monuments, NO ancient cities, NO ancient history, NO inventions, NO writings and contributed NOTHING to the country. SHOW ME the documents which says ALL the land belongs to Palestinians.
@NECHOII I have to say this again because you're a stubborn fool. "Masters" is subjective, it's your own term with your own meaning for it. Palestinians owned it legally through the Ottoman land registry law, which the British allowed the Palestinians to keep the land deeds. The land deeds still survive today. The records all exist today. If you don't want to believe it, then that's your own problem, so get over it and stop wasting our time by repeating your dumbass arguments.
@HUMHUM26 : Oh, but the British were MASTERS of Palestine. After the first two and a half years of occupation in which the British military ran Palestine, British High Commissioners were the SUPREME AUTHORITY in the country. The first High Commissioner was SIR HERBERT LOUIS and the last High Commissioner of Palestine was SIR ALAN CUNNINGHAM. YOU need to brush up on your Palestinian history.
@NECHOII "masters" is subjective. I can say the US is master of Iraq and Afghanistan. It's your own subjective term. Point is, it doesn't matter if the British were there or not, the land belonged to the Palestinians - LEGALLY. I know my history better than you and your whole family ever could, so stfu.
You misunderstood me. I was being sarcastic. Of course the Iraqis are "masters of their own house". I was arguing that you can't say the British were masters of Palestine. Britain occupied Palestine the same way that the US occupies Iraq. Britain did not intend on staying and eventually left, just as the Americans are leaving Iraq. You made my point. You are ignorant of Palestinian history and I urge you to read up on it; you'd be surprised at how rich it is.
@ HUMHUM26 : The Iraqis ARE MASTERS of their own house. The Americans are leaving that country at the end of this year. You deny the vital and essential importance of a people being the master of their own house to have their own country ?! You are saying that doesn't matter ?! Then I have a question for you - HEY MAN, WHAT ARE YOU SMOKING ?!
HAHAHA yeah like the Americans are "masters" of Iraq, right? WTF does that mean? LOL Being a "master" of your own house is irrelevant. They lived there, they farmed there, they raised families and a society, culture and history there. Yes, the Lord's new covenant applies to EVERYONE, that's the point. Therefore, the old covenant is obsolete.
@ HUMHUM26 : The Palestinians may have owned 94 % of the land, during the British Mandate, but the Palestinians were NOT " masters of their own house " THE BRITISH WERE. The Palestinians NEVER were masters of there own house, BUT THE ISRAELIS WERE ON TWO OCCASIONS. During the time of KINGS OMRI AND AHAB and during the time of the HASMONEANS . THE LAND BELONGS TO ZION.
I will put my laws in their minds and write them on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people. No longer will a man teach his neighbor, or a man his brother, saying, 'Know the Lord,' because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest. For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more." St. Paul comments: "By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear."
"The time is coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah. It will not be like the covenant I made with their forefathers when I took them by the hand to lead them out of Egypt, because they did not remain faithful to my covenant, and I turned away from them, declares the Lord. This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after that time, declares the Lord.
HUMHUM26... in the West Bank. I write again, there NEVER was an independent country called Palestine, so it is not there land !
Now, in Cairo Egypt, FATAH, HAMAS and 16 other Palestinian factions have all united into one. ALL except FATAH have vowed to totallt destroy Israel and expell any Israelis who arrived or were born after December 9, 1917. There is NO HOPE now for a country called Palestine.
@NECHOII There never had to be an independent country called Palestine for it to be their land. There weren't independent countries in most of the world at that time anyway. Does that mean that the majority of the world's people were not owners of their lands? The concept of "independent countries" - or the nation state, is a new one. Palestinians possessed land deeds and still do today. The British figures put Arab ownership at 94% of the land in 1947. So - you're wrong.
HUMHUM26 : .......Old Testament. I have NO INTEREST in reading Sizer's book. This man has no qualms about appearing on SYRIAN and IRANIAN television to peddle his beliefs.
Actually the Israeli economy today is doing fine compared to the vast majority of other countries economies, so economic reasons would not really be a reason for Jews not wanting to emigrate to Israel.
@HUMHUM26 : Why did your prophet Muhammed NEVER say, " Jerusalem and the Holy Land belong to the Palestinians. "
Why is Palestine NEVER mentioned in your Quran. but Israelis ARE mentioned ?!
NECHOII 4 months ago
@NECHOII I told you I'm not Muslim, you fucking piece of shit. Go fuck yourself.
humhum26 4 months ago
@humhum26
i'm not based on rummors, everyone can see the turkish (ottoman) and british documents on the immigrents movements. The arabs refused to recieve and devide the country, because they didnt see themselef as a palestinian nation.The arab leaders told to the palestinians at 1948 to run away. only 20% was expeled! you can compare with jews in the arab countries, and you will see who dont have the right to cry.
Kobi07061985 3 months ago
@Kobi07061985 Your information is false. There was a Palestinian uprising against Egyptian rule in the 1800's, so the argument that most Palestinians were recent immigrants in the 1900's is false. Yes the Palestinians refused to divide the country and saw themselves as part of the Arab people. This does not mean that they should be expelled out of Palestine. And the Israeli military archives reveal that there were ethnic cleansing campaigns carried out by Ben Gurion.
humhum26 3 months ago
@Kobi07061985 any person who is denied the right of return to his home is considered expelled. It does not have to be at the point of a gun. The Arab leaders who told Palestinians to run away did it because they could not protect them from the Zionist militias. That part is left out of your version of events. Even if they told them to leave, they still have a right to go home. So do the Jews from Arab countries, so please don't say that you have a right but we don't. We are all human beings.
humhum26 3 months ago
and if you speak about christians, look what happen with them in the west bank, gaza lebanon and egypt and compare with Israel. You can compare this about druze and other religions.
Kobi07061985 4 months ago
@Kobi07061985 I didn't say that Jews have no justification to live in Israel. Don't put words in my mouth. You're suffering from delusions of paranoia. How else can you claim I said something that I never did? Palestinians are not immigrants. They have lived there for centuries and can trace their families back, just like I can. It is documented fact. The person who told you otherwise doesn't know the history properly.
humhum26 4 months ago
but, all of you assume that Israel killed or racist and now you say with false assumptions that the jews jave no justifications to live in Israel. I just say that the world is hypocrite with Israel and palestinians used a cheap propganda and change the history details. The palestinians and the zionists are immigrantes movements, the palestiniansdidnt live in "palestine" constantly in the history.
Kobi07061985 4 months ago
what about the arab jewish catastropha in the arab nations? no "palestinian" will tell you that his grandfather came from other arab country. Even Tasser Araffat borned in Cairo.
Kobi07061985 4 months ago
@Kobi07061985 my grandfather was from Gaza. So was his father, and his father, and so on.
humhum26 4 months ago
@humhum26
all of you tell legends, there are proofs that most of the "palestinians" are immigrents, who realy wants i will send him.
Kobi07061985 4 months ago
@Kobi07061985 lol i know where my grandfather is from. so shove it up your ass.
humhum26 4 months ago
@humhum26
maby your grandfather yes but not ghis father. face with the true, there are ottoman and british documents that show massive immigration from the balkan and arab nations. The palestinians are the same like the zionists, the both are immigrantes. But, don't forget that no one limit this immigration diffrently from the jewish that the british authnomy limited this immigration.
Kobi07061985 4 months ago
@Kobi07061985 his father was also from Gaza, and his father's father. I know my family's history dating back centuries. Was there any immigration? Probably. But are the majority of Palestinians immigrants? No. You've been told exaggerations in order to justify your racist views. So go fuck yourself.
humhum26 4 months ago
@humhum26
humhum, untill now i see that you are the racist, you can identify with the palestinian suffer, not with your muslim brothers in kurdistan that ardogan killed or with iranian youngs only because the leaders are against Israel. I don't want all the land and all the "palestinians" will go back to their sources. But the only way to the peace that you will realize that Israel is not temporarly country and know history and not the cheap fake propganda that the extremists touched you.
Kobi07061985 4 months ago
@Kobi07061985 well the fact that you automatically assume that I'm Muslim proves that you're a racist. Just recently I defended Kurdish rights, and I do not support Iran. Making assumptions like that will only lead you in the dark. Whether Israel is temporary or not is not the point; the point is that it has to respect everyone's rights.
humhum26 4 months ago
THE PROBLEM IS PALESTINE HAS SUCH A HUGE APPETITE AND SUCH POOR TEETH !!!!
NECHOII 6 months ago
@NECHOII However, if Arab Jews demand the right to return or compensation, then I have no problem with that. But why before there is a Palestinian settlement? It would happen at the same time. But Israel will never agree to talk about the Jews who were expelled because it would set a precedent for ALL refugees to be compensated or restituted; both Jewish and Palestinian.
humhum26 6 months ago
@ HUMHUM26 : NONSENSE ! Israel most certainly DOES care about it. Some of the Jews who were forced to leave their ancestral Arab homes still reminise fondly about what they had to leave behind. Before there is ANY Palestinian settlement, ALL the Jews must be fairly compensated for the loss of their property from all the Arab and Iranian governments ! The dollar amount is estimated to be nearly 100 billion dollars !
NECHOII 6 months ago
@NECHOII It would go against Israel's interest to care about it. It would harm Israel's Jewish majority if Israel were to highlight the plight of Arab Jews who were expelled. And that's because it could cause a lot of Jews to demand their right to return, and Israel cannot afford a mass Jewish emigration. That's why Israel DOES NOT care about it.
humhum26 6 months ago
@HUMHUM : I wonder why there has not been a single U.N. Resolution CONDEMNING all the Arab countries that seized Jewish property and forced or harassed Jewish people into leaving their homes in Arab lands in which they lived for centuries in the mid 20th century ?! Just wondering.
NECHOII 7 months ago
@NECHOII probably because Israel doesn't care about it. It wouldn't be in Israel's interests for Arab Jews to exercise their right to return to their lands.
humhum26 6 months ago
@ HUMHUM26 : OH MY GOODNESS GRACIOUS ME ! Apparently another great Zionist warrior who played a major role in Israel's smashing victory in the Six Day War and who handled with a firm but sensible hand, the First Intifada, YITZAK RABIN HAS ALSO WON THE NOBEL PEACE PRIZE ( 1N 1995 )
EXCELLENT !
NECHOII 7 months ago
@NECHOII I love how you just gloss over what I write without actually thinking about it. Congratulations, you've just won the Dumbass Prize for - wait for it - being a Dumbass!
humhum26 7 months ago
@HUMHUM26 : I was SO VERY VERY HAPPY to learn that in 1978 ISRAEL'S TRULY GREAT PRIME MINISTER MENACHEM BEGIN WON THE NOBEL PRIZE FOR - wait for it - PEACE ! See ?! I TOLD YOU the Palestinians GOT HIM ALL WRONG, when MENACHEM and his men " tidied up " the Holy Land in 1948 - 1949.
Funny how this documentary AL NAKBA : THE PALESTINIAN CATASTROPHE missed this little tidbit of information !
NECHOII 7 months ago
@NECHOII Arafat also won the Nobel prize. So, I guess you got him all wrong too lol. I'm being sarcastic, by the way. The Nobel prize is often misguided.
humhum26 7 months ago
@humhum26 : In Egypt, Jews were FORCED to sign " DECLARATIONS " "DONATING " all their property to the Egyptian government ! In 1948 there were some 80,000 Jews in Egypt. Today there are less than 100.
The amount of Jewish money stolen in Arab lands is now worth OVER 80 BILLION DOLLARS !
NECHOII 7 months ago
@ HUMHUM26 : You write that Jews were " not forced " to leave their homes in Arab lands. Well, you are playing with words. These poor people fled their homes in Arab lands because of blatant discrimination against them, not to mention all the POGROMS which the Muslims conducted against them'
In 1948 Jews owned 38, 625 square miles of land in Arab countries. Today, THAT IS ALL GONE !
NECHOII 7 months ago
@NECHOII um, where did I write that Jews were not forced to leave? Copy and paste it, please. You need to slow down when you read.
humhum26 7 months ago
@HUMHUM26 : TWO TYPOS :
Well, the Israelis did NOT leave their homeland.......
It is fascinating to LEARN that the name, PALESTINE......
NECHOII 7 months ago
@NECHOII Don't change the subject from the right of return. Nice try, though.
humhum26 7 months ago
@HUMHUM26 : Well, the Israelis did leave their homeland " out of fear " during the Israeli War of Independence !" THEY STAYED AND FOUGHT FOR THEIR COUNTRY !
It is fascinating to ot that the name PALESTINE means " ROLLING " or " MIGRATORY ! " PALESTINE IS NOT EVEN A ARAB NAME - IT IS A ROMAN NAME !
NECHOII 7 months ago
@NECHOII The Israelis didn't have to leave. Their forces were engaged in mass expulsion operations. The point remains that those who leave have the right to return.
humhum26 7 months ago
@HUMHUM26 : By rights, the Palestinian refugees of 1948 leaving their homes negates their " right of return " because they VOLUNTARILY left their homes. If you voluntarily leave your homes then you FORFEIT your right to return at some later date GOD only knows when !
NECHOII 8 months ago
@NECHOII Show me a UN document which states that if you "voluntarily" leave your home then you forfeit your right to return. Also, the historical record shows that the majority left out of fear, not "voluntarily".
humhum26 7 months ago
@HUMHUM26 : It must NEVER BE FORGOTTEN that in 1948 it was the Arab leaders who urged 750,000 Palestinians to flee the Holy Land. The Arab leaders promised these Palestinian refugees AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN that in a VERY SHORT TIME, all traces of Zionist Israel WOULD BE DESTROYED and that THEY WOULD BE BACK IN THEIR HOMES !
THEY LIED, BUT TO THIS DAY, THE PALESTINIANS ARE STILL BEING MADE THE SAME EMPTY CRACKPOT PROMISES !
NECHOII 8 months ago
@NECHOII Actually there were conflicting statements by Arab leaders. Some told the Palestinians to stay at home or else be considered traitors. Others told them to leave simply because they could not protect them from the Hagannah, Irgun and Stern terrorists. But let's say that it's true that they all told them to leave or that Israel would be destroyed. So what? How does that negate their right to return? How does that conflict with their right to return? It doesn't.
humhum26 8 months ago
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@ HUMHUM26 : You have the NERVE to write to me about ethnic cleansing ?! What about all the JEWS who have been expelled from Morocco, Algeria, Libya, Egypt, Jordan, Iraq, Syria, Iran and other countries. They too are " HERITARY REFUGEES " who " HAVE THE RIGHT TO RETURN " to the various homelands and be FULLY COMPENSATED WITH INTEREST FOR THEIR PROPERTY AND BANK ACCOUNTS THAT WERE CONFISCATED BY VARIOUS ARAB DICTATORS - RIGHT ?!
NECHOII 8 months ago
The ethnic cleansing of Palestine has been well documented by now. The Zionist leadership had no choice but to expel them if they wanted a Jewish and democratic state. The horrific stories are documented and so are the orders given. Israel will have to respect international law and human rights if it wants peace. The right of return is the only solution.
humhum26 8 months ago
You can't support human rights but not the right to return. And Israel should respect UN resolutions since it was a UN resolution that brought it into existence.
humhum26 8 months ago
It's interesting that for so long the UN declared Zionism as racist. The fact that it was revoked tells u that politics was involved. But the resolution was not based on the UN Charter of Rights. The charter doesn't mention Zionism obviously. But the right to return to one's home is a right enshrined under human rights law and the charter.
humhum26 8 months ago
Israel's occupation destroys the economy with its closures and restrictions on movement and demolitions. So Palestinians are forced to seek work for rich settlers who are able to pay more. It is about survival under a brutal military regime. I mentioned the nazis to show that u r in no position to laugh about a tragic situation like this.
humhum26 8 months ago
@ Speaking of United Nations Resolutions, how about that U.N. Resolution 3379 which declares that ZIONISM IS RACISM. This Resolution was passed by majority vote on Nov. 10, 1975
But then on Dec. 16, 1991, this RIDICULOUS Resolution was REVOKED by U.N. majority vote under Resolution 46/86 !
RESOLUTION 3379 IS THE ONLY RESOLUTION IN U.N. HISTORY TO BE REVOKED ! It may not be the only one.
ATLANTIS - R. I. P.
PALESTINE - R. I. P.
NECHOII 8 months ago
@HUMHUM26 : Yes, there were hundreds of Jews who worked for the Nazis in the concentration camps in a frantic, desperate effort to STAY ALIVE - TO SURVIVE ! It did them no good as the Nazis ended up killing them all anyway. The 22,000 Palestinians who work for the Zionists DO NOT face a life and death situation. They work for Zionists because as they say, " The money's good and we have families to support. "
NECHOII 8 months ago
If the Palestinians had accepted partition, Israel wouldn't exist today. I see no point in continuing this silly debate if you don't accept that. So how about we end it here and you can go spread your racism somewhere else. I've simply had enough of your childish, repetitive arguments.
humhum26 8 months ago
@ HUMHUM26 : IMAGINE ! 22,000 Palestinians helping to build the Zionist State on the West Bank ! Don't you just love it ?! BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA !!!!
I thought I made myself clear on RESOLUTION 194. I agree with the Israelis interpretation of it. That Resolution was meant for the 1948 Palestinian refugees ONLY and ONLY IF " THEY COME TO LIVE IN PEACE WITH THEIR NEIGHBOURS " as the document says.
NECHOII 8 months ago
@NECHOII oh by the way, yes I do love it. They're working towards Israel's destruction because the more Israel builds in the West Bank, the closer we get to a one-state solution ;)
humhum26 8 months ago
@NECHOII Israel's interpretation of 194 is racist. It generalizes all the Palestinian families. You can't interpret a resolution that way. You can't ASSUME how ALL families feel and whether they will live in peace or not. You're a fucking idiot if you do. I will consider that you do not support 194 and therefore you are a hypocrite moron and have no right to bring up 181.
humhum26 8 months ago
@HUMHUM26 :...would have lived in their sector of land.
HEY, ARE YOU AWARE THAT THERE ARE 22,000 PALESTINIANS WORKING FOR THE ZIONISTS IN THE WEST BANK ?! The Palestinians work in CONSTRUCTION , BUILDING ZIONIST HOUSING. Also, the Palestinians work in ZIONIST WEST BANK AGRICULTURE, MANUFACTURING and SERVICE INDUSTRIES !!
The PALESTINIAN AUTHORITY IS OUTRAGED, BUT THESE 22,000 Palestinians work for Zionists because THE PAY IS GOOD !
NECHOII 8 months ago
@NECHOII Are you aware than thousands of Jews worked for the Nazis? The Palestinians work for the Zionists to survive under a brutal military occupation. They still have to feed their families. And they're forced to do it by working in the settlements because the Israeli occupation makes it difficult to have a good economy. So it's strategic on Israel's part.
humhum26 8 months ago
@HUMHUM26 : NO, that is NOT correct. Most of the Palestinians that fled in 1948 left of their own free will to escape the fighting. Again, none of those Israeli leaders you mentioned, except Joseph Weitz, said any of those things against the Palestinians. If the Palestinians had accepted the U. N. Partitiion Plan of 1947, it would have worked. The Palestinians would have lived in their section of land and the Israelis
NECHOII 8 months ago
@NECHOII lol there you go again making statements without backing them up. How old are you? The Israeli military archives revealed that thousands were expelled by force. The UN partition plan wouldn't have worked out because there were too many Palestinians living in the Jewish section. That's it. Plain simple. Get over it.
humhum26 8 months ago
@NECHOII The quotes I wrote are, for the most part, correct until proven otherwise. I'm not going to just take your racist word for it that they were fake. The Oxford University Press is legit. Get over that too.
humhum26 8 months ago
At the end of the day, the point is, if the Palestinians had accepted the partition plan, Israel wouldn't have existed - not as a democratic state anyway. If you can't see that, then there is no point to continue this silly debate.
humhum26 8 months ago
HUMHUM26 : Oh, by the way, the PALESTINIAN ARAB WAQF DOES OWN SOME LAND IN ISRAEL. Can you tell me how much land Jews own in Egypt, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Algeria, Morocco, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, etc. ?
NECHOII 8 months ago
@NECHOII By the way, I do not support Iran at all, but are you aware that there is a Jew in the Iranian parliament? Does that mean Jews are treated fairly in Iran? Nope. And likewise, it doesn't mean that Arabs are treated fairly in Israel just because they have representatives in the Knesset. Maybe you should hear out what those representatives have to say.
humhum26 8 months ago
@NECHOII Just the fact that Israeli Arabs exist in Israel tells you that the problem isn't with the Palestinians, for they are one and the same with Israeli Arabs. It tells you that coexistence is possible. If the numbers of Palestinians wasn't the problem, Israel would have given them citizenship and annexed the West Bank a long time ago. They had no trouble annexing Jerusalem.
humhum26 8 months ago
@NECHOII All land lost by Palestinians and by Jews from Arab countries should be restituted. It's required by international law. By the way, you haven't answered my question. Do you support UN resolution 194? Do you support the right of refugees to return home after a time of conflict?
humhum26 8 months ago
HUMHUM26 : In the very FIRST KNESSET, THREE PALESTINIANS WERE ELECTED TO IT. SEIF EL - DIN EL - ZUBI and AMIN - SALIM JARJORA of the Democratic List of Nazareth Party and TAWFIK TOUBI of the Mapi Party.
Today in the 120 seat Knesset, there are ELEVEN PALESTINIANS duly elected to it, including one woman HANEEN ZOABI.
Now, HUMHUM26 - can you give me a list of ALL THE JEWS ELECTED to the Parliaments of EGYPT, SYRIA, JORDAN & IRAQ ?
NECHOII 8 months ago
@NECHOII Palestinians are elected to the Knesset because they represent a minority. If they represented a majority, Israel would expel them. And that's exactly what happened in 48. They reduced them to a minority and only then allowed them to become citizens. You want a list of all the Jews elected to Arab parliaments? Are you aware that there are uprisings and revolutions happening in the Arab world now? You write as if the Arab people support their governments. Are you stupid?
humhum26 8 months ago
HUMHUM26 : And as for JOESPH WEITZ - his ideas for " Arab population transfers " were REJECTED by DAVID BEN GURION.
Look - in ISRAEL today ( not including the West Bank or Gaza ), there LIVE 815,000 Arabs. 209,000 live in JERUSALEM, 66,300 live in NAZARETH, 25,200 live in HAIFA and the rest live in various towns and villages in Israel ! SO MUCH FOR ZIONIST MASS EXPULSION OF PALESTINIANS !!!
NECHOII 8 months ago
@NECHOII Although Ben Gurion may have rejected Weitz's idea, he went ahead and implemented it when the time was ripe, as the Israeli military archives revealed. How could he not? There were too many Arabs in the Jewish state. And Israel Koenig did recommend the Judaization of the Galilee, to which the Zionist leadership complied; something that still goes on today at the expense of "Arab Israelis." So you can take your so-called "trap" and shove it up your Zionist ass.
humhum26 8 months ago
@NECHOII The numbers of Arabs in Israel make up 20% of Israel's population. They are not a majority. That's why Israel allows them to remain. Ben Gurion expelled enough Palestinians to insure a Jewish majority, not a state of only Jews. Yet, still, the Arab Israelis face discrimination and exclusion and expulsions because their numbers are growing and they sympathize with the Palestinian cause.
humhum26 8 months ago
@ HUMHUM26 : LOL ! YOU FELL RIGHT INTO MY TRAP !!!!
First of all, these FAKE Zionist quotes come from NEO NAZI, HAMAS and other PALESTINIAN PROPAGANDA ORGANIZATIONS ! DAVID BEN GURION, ARIEL SHARON & ISRAEL KOENIG NEVER MADE THESE STATEMENTS !
CHAIRMAN HEILBRUN, AMOS OZ, YORAM BAR PORATH and GENERAL OUZE MERHAM NEVER EXISTED ! Yoram BEN Porath was an Israeli PEACE ACTIVIST !
NECHOII 8 months ago
@NECHOII Ariel Sharon? Where did I quote Ariel Sharon? You're obviously reading off of some article. I did not quote Sharon. Ben Porath is a member of "Peace Now", which does not believe in the right of return and denies the Nakba, except for this individual, apparently. But I don't consider them peace activists. And Porath was the president of Hebrew University! Obviously a very important figure in Israeli society. Ben Gurion's quotes were published by the Oxford University Press.
humhum26 8 months ago
@NECHOII Is the Oxford University Press nazi? or is part of Hamas? LOL. You were way too quick to denounce the quotes as fake just because one or two are questionable and you saw a bunch of other fake ones on some website. Are you aware that Ben Gurion ordered the "TIHUR" of Arab villages? Tihur means "cleansing" in Hebrew. This is quoted in the ISRAELI MILITARY ARCHIVES. Are they nazis too? HAHAHA.
humhum26 8 months ago
@ HUMHUM26 : Go ahead. Give me quotes " from Zionist leaders calling for expulsions and terror. "
NECHOII 8 months ago
@NECHOII “We must expel Arabs and take their places." - David Ben Gurion; "We must spirit the penniless population across the frontier by denying it employment... Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly." - Herzl; "We have to kill all the Palestinians unless they are resigned to live here as slaves." - Chairman Heilbrun;
humhum26 8 months ago
@NECHOII "We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population?' Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said ‘Drive them out’” - Yitzhak Rabin; "We must use TERROR, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population." - Israel Koenig;
humhum26 8 months ago
@NECHOII "Between ourselves it must be clear that there is no room for both peoples together in this country. We shall not achieve our goal if the Arabs are in this small country. There is no other way than to transfer the Arabs from here to neighboring countries - all of them. Not one village, not one tribe should be left." - Joseph Weitz;
humhum26 8 months ago
@NECHOII "It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism, colonialization or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands." - Yoram Bar Porath
humhum26 8 months ago
@NECHOII "If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?" - David Ben Gurion
humhum26 8 months ago
@HUMHUM26 : " It is about time that we put an end to this Zionist enterprise. " - KHALED MASHAD. HAMAS
" We will not bend or fail until the BLOOD OF EVERY LAST JEW FROM THE YOUNGEST TO THE ELDEST IS SPILT TO REDEEM OUR LAND." - YASSAR ARAFAT
ALL PALESTINIAN FACTIONS EXCEPT FATAH CALL FOR THE TOTAL DESTRUCTION OF ISRAEL AND EXPULSION OF IT'S PEOPLE !
There has been only one state - ISRAEL. Let the Palestinians go some place else.
NECHOII 8 months ago
@NECHOII Yes, we should put an end to the Zionist enterprise because it's racist. It expropriates Palestinian land on a daily basis and expels Palestinians from their homes. But Jews should not be expelled and no faction advocates for this. I can also give you quotes from Zionist leaders calling for expulsions and terror.
humhum26 8 months ago
We are one step closer to the one state solution becaus 2 state solution is going to fail. Then Palestinians will demand civil rights like their right to vote.
humhum26 8 months ago
so you determine things by asking ppl on the internet? how many palestinians did u talk to? there are 8 million. Nowhere does the PLO or PA or the Boycott National Committee call for the expulsion of Jews.
humhum26 8 months ago
HUMHUM26 : Can you explain to me what with George Mitchell leaving and the Palestinian factions now united, all vowing ( except one ) to wipe Zionist Israel off the face of the Earth, and Israel BY FAR AND AWAY THE STRONGEST POWER IN THE MIDDLE EAST, HOW exactly are we " one step closer to a one state solution ?! "
NECHOII 8 months ago
@HUMHUM26 : Almost every Arab and Palestinian that I have talked to on the Internet, has made it very clear to me that they want every Jew who arrived in " Palestine " on and after December 9, 1917 expelled as they claim from that date, Jews immigrated to " Palestine " illegally because it was under occupation by a foreign infidel invader - the British and then by the " illegal Zionist entity. "
NECHOII 8 months ago
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Nakkba #1 = devastation of British actions to quell Arab uprising.
Nakkba #2 = expulsion of Arab Jews from Arab country countries in 1940s.
Nakkba #3 = commemoration of results of Arab failure to kill all Palestinian Jews, Jewish refugees from the Middle East, North Africa, and Europe in 19940s. Palestinian Jews changed identity to Israeli and nearly 20 years later Palestinian Arabs changed their identity to Palestinian. Real documented historical truths vs. Arab myths and propaganda! LOL!!!
dperl3063 8 months ago
When people talk about the Palestinian refugees you should respond with some simple questions; Why are there still refugees in camps - Why have they been kept as political pawns – Why did the UN pass a resolution banning Israel from improving housing conditions for the refugees in Gaza - and finally and most importantly, Where is all the money that the international community including the UK and the USA
avikau 8 months ago
@avikau Yes, and you should also ask why haven't they been allowed to return to their homeland?
humhum26 8 months ago
@ HUMHUM26 : Resolution 194. passed by the U.N. on Dec, 11, 1948 talks about the right of Palestinians right to return to their " homeland. " PROVIDED THEY RETURN TO LIVE IN PEACE WITH THEIR ( ZIONIST ) NEIGHBOURS ! Every Palestinian I've talked to, including you say that is unacceptable. Palestinians want all Jews who arrived after Dec. 9, 1917 EXPELLED and the Zionist State of Israel OBLITERATED ! FORGET THAT !
NECHOII 8 months ago
@NECHOII Where did I say that was unacceptable? You are wrong to say that Palestinians want Jews expelled, as I already told you, so please stop making that argument, you repetitive moron.
humhum26 8 months ago
@HUMHUM26 : There is no hope for peace for the Israeli and the " heriditary Palestinian refugees. " No hope at all.
NECHOII 8 months ago
@NECHOII Yes, there is hope. You'll see.
humhum26 8 months ago
We are now one step closer to the one-state solution. as long as israel exists as an apartheid state, there will never be peace.
humhum26 8 months ago
Good ridance to George Mitchell. We are now
humhum26 8 months ago
emotional statements without backing them up with facts. it's because you're so angry or maybe just stupid. You dumbass, if resolution 194 wasn't applicable to descendants of palestinians, Israel would have recognized it. But we all know Israel won't even entertain the refugee issue.
humhum26 8 months ago
I said UNRWA said that. You're so blind. You cant even read my posts properly because your anger and hatred are so strong. Yes, children of refugees are refugees, that's what the UN says so I dont give a fuck what a racist sinner like u thinks. I also already told u that there were Palestinian kings and cities. You haven't disproven that. No facts on your end. All you do is make emotiomal
humhum26 8 months ago
@ HUMHUM26 : YES, let's DO talk about HAMAS and HEZBOLLAH. As long as these creatures exist there is NO HOPE to create a country called Palestine.
NECHOII 8 months ago
@NECHOII As long as Zionism exists, there is no hope for peace in the region.
humhum26 8 months ago
@ HUMHUM26 : NO, RESOLUTION 194 does NOT say that ! Whoever heard of ' HEREDITARY REFUGEES " who HAVE NEVER LIVED IN " PALESTINE " demanding TO GO BACK TO A " COUNTRY " THAT HAS NEVER EXISTED; HAS NO PALESTINIAN CITIES MONUMENTS, KINGS OR WRITINGS ???!!!
No wonder Middle East Special Envoy George Mitchell is quitting ! HUMHUM26 - give up your job as " GRAND SPINMEISTER " and look for other employment.
NECHOII 8 months ago
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I'm sick of Arab Muslim genocide of Sudanese Blacks (almost 3M murdered)
I'm sick of Arab Muslims destroying all the many cultures of the Middle East
I'm sick of Arab Muslims murder, rape, kidnapping, & forced conversions
I'm sick of Arab Muslim ethnic cleansing of Jews from Arab lands
I'm sick of Arab Muslims ethnic cleansing against Christians
I'm sick of the big lie that there is a Palestinian people
I'm sick that Islam oppresses women
I'm sick of the evil Sharia
I'm sick of Nakba
FightFascists 8 months ago
@ HUMHUM26 : I have gone on the U.N.R.W.A. website and reread RESOLUTION 194. There is NOTHING in this Resolution that says Palestinian refugee status IS HEREDITARY ! SHOW ME WHERE IT SAYS THAT !. Again, Resolution 194 was only meant for the 1948 - 1949 Palestinian refugees, most of whom now are dead.
The HEZBOLLAH and HAMAS - if they get their way would embark on a MASSIVE ETHNIC CLEANING OF ISRAELIS out of the Holy Land.
NECHOII 8 months ago
@NECHOII "The descendants of the original Palestine refugees are also eligible for registration. When the Agency started working in 1950, it was responding to the needs of about 750,000 Palestine refugees. Today, 4.8 million Palestine refugees are eligible for UNRWA services." - from the UNRWA website. If you really did go to the website, you would have found this because it's RIGHT THERE.
humhum26 8 months ago
@NECHOII Let's not talk about what Hamas and Hezbollah would do if they got their way. I can easily say that if Israel got its way, it would expel all the Palestinians (and Israeli Arabs) TO JORDAN. That's why Zionist racists always say that "Jordan is the Palestinian state." I know it, and YOU know it. So let's stick to what IS actually happening not what would happen if so and so got their way.
humhum26 8 months ago
@HUMHUM : MANY CONDITIONS WHICH I HAVE OUTLINED MUST be fullfilled first before Resolution 194 is even considered. You say I made a mistake re : Resolution 194 and the Right of Return FOR PRESENT DAY PALESTINIANS WHO HAVE NEVER BEEN THERE ?! Okay - where did you read this ?
NECHOII 8 months ago
@NECHOII It's on UNRWA's website. I'm sure you're familiar with them as the "anti-semitic, hamas supporting UN agency". lol
humhum26 8 months ago
@HUMHUM26 : Before there is ANY recognition of Resolution 194, ALL ARAB GOVERMENTS ( EGYPT, LIBYA, ALGERIA, MOROCCO, IRAQ ) MUST COMPENSTATE ALL LIVING JEWS FINANCIALLY FOR ALL THEIR PRIVATE PROPERTY AND BANK ACCOUNTS THEY CONFISCATED AS THEY EXPELLED THOUSANDS OF JEWS FROM THEIR LANDS !!! Then we will talk about recognizing Resolution 194.
It should be noted that HAMAS and HEZBOLLAH DO NOT SUPPORT BILL 194 BECAUSE IT RECOGNIZES ISRAEL !
NECHOII 8 months ago
@HUMHUM26 : RESOLUTION 194 is only a U.N. recommendation. IT IS NOT BINDING UNDER INTERNATIONAL LAW. Also, this Resolution was only meant for Palestinians ( who in most cases voluntarily ) left the Holy Land in 1948 - 1949. MOST OF THESE PALESTINIANS ARE NOW DEAD. THIS RESOLUTION WAS NEVER MEANT FOR PRESENT DAY PALESTINIANS WHO HAVE NEVER LIVED IN THE HOLY LAND !!!!
NECHOII 8 months ago
@NECHOII Took you long enough to look that up. Resolution 194 was a General Assembly resolution. It's not binding because it wasn't the Security Council that passed it. However, it is derived from the UN Charter of Rights and Freedoms and is a legitimate right under international law that all states should follow. Just because it's not enforceable, doesn't mean it's not a human right that should be respected. Moreover, the UN has REAFFIRMED the resolution many times.
humhum26 8 months ago
@NECHOII Also, you are wrong to say that the resolution was not meant for the descendants of Palestinian refugees. It is. Whoever told you that it's not has misinformed you.
humhum26 8 months ago
@NECHOII So I still fully expect you to support 194 if you're going to support 181. Otherwise, you're a hypocrite.
humhum26 8 months ago
@ HUMHUM26 : Well, I see I am dealing with a minor intellectual here. EXPELLING THE JEWS IS NOT ON THE AGENDA ????????!!!!!
HEY MAN - have you read the Constitutions of the HAMAS and the HEZBOLLAH ????!!! And there are about 16 other Palestinian terrorist organizations who have vowed in the name of their Allah to wipe the " Zionist entity " off the face of the Earth !
NECHOII 8 months ago
@NECHOII You mean Charters not constitutions - and you call me the "minor intellectual" lol. Yes, I've read them. Likud's Charter doesn't recognize a Palestinian state, either. All these charters were written long ago and views have been modified over the years. The Palestinian movements may seek to abolish Zionism, and rightly so, but they do not seek to expel the Jewish people.
humhum26 8 months ago
@NECHOII And before you blab about resolution 181, you still have to answer whether you support resolution 194.
humhum26 8 months ago
@HUMHUM26 : For several months BEFORE Israel became independent on May 14, 1948 there was fighting between Arabs and Jews with the British trying in vain to keep the peace. But the vital thing to remember is that the Jews ACCEPTED RESOLUTION 181. THE PALESTINIANS AND ALL OTHER ARAB NATIONS DID NOT ! The VERY NEXT DAY after Israel declared independence, FIVE ARAB NATIONS launched their war of EXTERMINATION against the Israelis !!!
NECHOII 8 months ago
@NECHOII No, that's not the vital thing to remember. If the Palestinians accepted resolution 181, Israel would still have to expel them - THAT's the vital thing to remember. It wasn't simply "fighting" that occurred between Arabs and Jews before May 14, it was an ethnic cleansing campaign initiated by Hagana and Irgun terrorists. This is documented and is fact.
humhum26 8 months ago
HUMHUM26 : ...and Spain and France to get out of the lands of the Basques.
In the 1948 - 1949 war the Palestinians and the Arab countries did NOT respect the rights of the Zionists or the results of the U.N. Resolution 181 vote.
I understand more about society and politics than you think. The idea of nations making up countries was around long before the Treaty of Westphalia.
NECHOII 8 months ago
@NECHOII Yes, we should all tell China to get out of Tibet and Spain and France out of Basques. That's absolutely true. You know very well that China should not be in Tibet. Yes, international law makes it illegal to take land in war. It just hasn't been enforced because China and Israel are powerful and have US backing. That's why it's up to ordinary citizens of the world like us to push for respecting international law.
humhum26 8 months ago
@NECHOII The Zionists did not respect the UN resolution 181 either. They immediately began operations to expel Palestinians from the space the UN allotted for a Jewish state and then they violated the resolution by taking more land than the resolution allotted for them. Then, AND ONLY THEN, did the Arab states intervene.
humhum26 8 months ago
@HUMHUM26 : Are you kidding ? ALMOST ALL Arabs that I have spoken to do NOT want ANY type of peace treaty OR ANY U.N. RESOLUTION with Israel. They just want Israel wiped off the face of the Earth and ALL Jews who arrived in the Holy Land after Dec. 9, 1917 EXPELLED !
You say International Law makes it illegal to take land in war ??!! Then tell China to get out of Tibet and Iran, Iraq and Turkey to get out of Kurdistan
NECHOII 8 months ago
@NECHOII Well you've been speaking to the wrong Arabs. The Palestinian liberation movement seeks to achieve Palestinian rights, like the right of return, the right to be free of military rule, the right to be treated equally etc. The right to return is the most important right for Palestinians. Expelling the Jews is not on the agenda.
humhum26 8 months ago
HUMHUM26 : Private property ownership whether it be Jewish or Palestinian does NOT entitle the property owners to a country.
Aa in any war, TO THE VICTOR GOES THE SPOILS OF BATTLE ! If Resolution 181 was illegal THEN ALL ARAB COUNTRIES SHOULD HAVE WALKED OUT OF THE U.N. BUILDING IN PROTEST. BUT THEY DID NOT. THEY VOTED ON THE RESOLUTION AND LOST ! DONE DEAL. ISRAEL IS HERE TO STAY.
NECHOII 8 months ago
@NECHOII We're not saying that it entitles the property owners to a country, but it DOES entitle them to the land they own. The "spoils of battle" only go to the victor in medieval times and the backwards mentality that you have. This is the 21st century. International Law makes it illegal to take land in war.
humhum26 8 months ago
@NECHOII Yes, done deal, but then Israel expelled the Palestinians there because the Palestinians would have a strong vote since there were so many of them in the Jewish state. So the resistance against this crime is here to stay until Palestinian rights are respected and they're allowed to return to Israel.
humhum26 8 months ago
@NECHOII And you still haven't answered my question about resolution 194, you disgusting hypocrite. HAHAHA.
humhum26 8 months ago
HUMHUM26 : ...to win back their land as a sovereign and independent country as we know it are the Jews and the two great Jewish revolts, ( 66 A.D. - 70 A.D. and 132 A.D. - 135 A.D. ) as these patriots rose in revolt unsuccessfully against the occupying Roman forces !
If the Arabs had won the 1948 - 1949 war, THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN MASSIVE ETHNIC CLEANSING OF THE JEWISH POPULATION !
NECHOII 8 months ago
@NECHOII Let's stick to what has happened rather than what could or could not have happened. The only ethnic cleansing that DID occur was against the Palestinians by the Zionist forces, gangs, and terrorists. By the way, the Arab states proposed a one-state solution instead of the partition plan, so you can't know for sure what would have happened if the Arabs had won the war.
humhum26 8 months ago
HUMHUM26 : ..beyond the river " requesting safe passage for him as he travelled through their lands. In MEDIEVAL ISLAMIC CALIPHATE, a type of passport was used in the form of BARA'A - a reciept for taxes paid. This entitled a citizen to legally travel to different regions of the Caliphate. KING HENRY V of ENGLAND ( 1386 - 1422 ) is credited with having invented the first true passport.
Another example of people WANTING TO WIN
NECHOII 8 months ago
@HUMHUM26 : Of course, people's idea of a country was similiar " back then " to what it is today. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW FAR BACK FORMS OF PASSPORTS GO ?! Let me clue you in. BIBLE. NEHEMIAH 2 : 7 - 9, attributed to the time of the PERSIAN EMPIRE IN ABOUT 450 B.C., it is said that NEHEMIAH, an official serving KING ARTAXERXES I of Persia, asked leave to travel to JUDEA, and the King granted leave and gave him a LETTER, " to the governers
NECHOII 8 months ago
@NECHOII You have a limited knowledge of society and politics. It is agreed upon by scholars everywhere that the notion of a country has changed. The idea of the "nation-state" started with the Treaty of Westphalia. It means that NATIONS make up countries, whereas in the past, it wasn't "nations," but other ideas that could make up a country, like religion. But what's your point, anyway? It's irrelevant, as I already proved.
humhum26 8 months ago
@HUMHUM26 : Let's not live in a world of fantasy here. The REALITY is the Palestinians DID NOT ACCEPT the LEGAL RESOLUTION 181. Neither did the Arab countries who took part in a vote on what you call a illegal resolution ! The Arab countries lost and being the sore losers that they were they vowed to " liberate Palestine " BY DRIVING THE ISRAELIS INTO THE SEA ! NOW THAT WAS ILLEGAL ! THEY LOST AGAIN IN THE WAR THAT FOLLOWED
NECHOII 8 months ago
@NECHOII So what if the Palestinians did not accept resolution 181? Does that give Israel the right to expel them? The resolution did not call for ethnic cleansing against those who do not accept. What's funny is that the ones who were driven into the sea were the Palestinians at the port of Haifa. They were escaping on boats and many drowned as they were being shot at and chased by Haganah militia.
humhum26 8 months ago
@NECHOII We're just going in circles in case you haven't noticed. You've said the same thing over and over. It's not my problem if my answers don't satisfy your racist mind. And you still haven't answered my question about resolution 194, exposing yourself as a hypocrite.
humhum26 8 months ago
@HUMHUM6 : Those places that I mentioned were INDEED COUNTRIES, SOME OF THEM WITH EMPIRES. The countries of Edom and Moab never had empires.
NECHOII 8 months ago
@NECHOII The idea of a country back then was not the same as it is today. Sovereign, independent states with borders and a nation is a fairly recent idea in human history. The countries that exist today in Africa, the Middle East, and other parts of the world were only established in the past one or two hundred years. The point is that there never had to be a Palestinian country for our demands to be legitimate. The existence of a Palestinian country in the past is irrelevant.
humhum26 8 months ago
@NECHOII It has no bearing on what's happening there. The Palestinian people owned the land in what became Israel in 1948. Whether there was a sovereign state in that area has nothing to do with it. They owned the land and lived on the land. Does that give Israel the right to expel them?
humhum26 8 months ago
@HUMHUM26 : Gee ! The way you write it sure sounds like you don't support U.N. Resolution 181 to me. This Resolution divided the Holy Land and created an Israel and a Palestine to take effect on May 15, 1948. The Jews ACCEPTED this Resolution. The Palestinians and other Arab countries solution was NO SOLUTION - DESTROY THE LAND OF ISRAEL AND EXPEL ALL JEWS WHO ARRIVED ON OR AFTER DEC. 9, 1917 !
NECHOII 8 months ago
@NECHOII I'm just stating the facts. Resolution 181 violates the UN Charter. This is a fact. If Palestinians accepted the resolution, that's totally fine with me because Israel wouldn't have existed for long due to the numbers of Palestinians within the Jewish state. So, you gonna answer my question about 194 or just admit to being a hypocrite.
humhum26 8 months ago
@HUMHUM26 : What are you talking about ? In ancient times DURING THE TIME OF THE TWO ANCIENT ISRAELI KINGDOMS THERE WERE MANY INDEPENDENT COUNTRIES IN THE MIDDLE EAST ! For example, Egypt, Moab, Mesoptamia, Assyria, Syria, Phoenicia, Persia, Edom, Nubia and more.
NECHOII 8 months ago
@NECHOII Those were not "countries" in the sense that we understand them today. "Countries" or "the nation state" as a territory with borders and a nation started with the Treaty of Westphalia in 1648. And that was only in Europe. It took a whole era of colonialism of spread that idea to the rest of the world. "Independent countries" were carved up in Africa and the Middle East and elsewhere. The places you mentioned were not "states", they were empires, which is very different.
humhum26 8 months ago
@NECHOII There didn't have to be a "Palestinian Empire" to legitimize the existence of a Palestinian society and culture. There was a Muslim Empire that took over the region and that's when Palestinians became Arab by mixing with the Arabs who arrived there.
humhum26 8 months ago
@ HUMHUM26 : You are STILL missing the point. There was a Arab community in the Holy Land when the the Zionists started arriving late in the 19th century. BUT THE LAND WAS OCCUPIED AND GOVERNED BY THE OTTOMAN TURKS ! There NEVER was an independent country called Palestine.
And YOU are a hypocite for supporting U.N. Resolution 194 and not supporting U'N. Resolution 181.
NECHOII 8 months ago
@NECHOII You dumbass, I already told you this twice: there didn't have to be an "independent country called Palestine" - independent countries did not exist in the whole of the Middle East and most of the world at that time! But the land was owned by Palestinians - through the Ottoman Land Registry Law. It was owned by Palestinians until Israel expelled them from their homes in 1948.
humhum26 8 months ago
@NECHOII I didn't say I don't support resolution 181. I said it violated the UN charter - and it did. It violates the right to self-determination. It's a very unusual resolution as the UN isn't mandated to divide territories into different countries. I don't really care if resolution 181 passed or not. So, do you support resolution 194? I asked you the question. Find me a UN document that says 194 is invalid.
humhum26 8 months ago
@ HUMHUM26 : The ancient Canaanities, with the sole exception of the Hebrew Canaanities, evolved into the PHOENICIANS.
You haven't answered my question. NAME ME AN ANCIENT PALESTINIANS KING WHO RULED FROM JERUSALEM ! HOW LONG DID HE RULE ? WHAT DID HE BUILD ? ALSO, SHOW ME PAPYRUS THAT HAS ANCIENT PALESTINIANS WRITING ON IT.
NECHOII 8 months ago
@NECHOII The Palestinians are descendants of Canaanites, Jebusites, Philistine tribes, and even Hebrews. All those people mixed and eventually became the Palestinian Arab when the Arabs settled in Palestine. The Ghassanids arrived early on and ruled the region. They had many Kings, look it up yourself. You can do your own research. Also, stop using CAPS. It's rude. And you sound like a baby crying for his bottle.
humhum26 8 months ago
@NECHOII We are getting way ahead of ourselves, anyway. The history beyond 1800's is irrelevant. By the time the Zionists arrived in Palestine, there was a thriving Arab population already there. In a free and democratic vote, the UN voted that refugees have a right to return. You are a hypocrite to support resolution 181 but deny 194. Show me a UN document that denies the right of return for refugees.
humhum26 8 months ago
HUMHUM26 : The Canaanities were long gone by the time the Yemenite Ghassanids arrived in the Levant between 250 A.D. - 300 A.D. They settled mostly in Syria. The Palestinians were desert nomads in the Negev area, seperate from the Ghassanids. Show me some ancient Palestinian writings.
NECHOII 8 months ago
@NECHOII The Canaanites may have been "long gone" as a culture, but the people themselves were integrated into those who settled in the region over the centuries, including the Ghassanids. Palestine was part of Syria up until Sykes-Picot.
humhum26 8 months ago
lol I'm not here to impress you.
humhum26 8 months ago
@HUMHUM26 : You may have " answered " every logical argument that I have made, but you have yet to write anything that impresses me even in the smallest detail.
NECHOII 8 months ago
lol yeah you tell yourself that. I answered every argument you wrote. Good luck.
humhum26 8 months ago
@ HUMHUM26 : The reality is you ARE just repeating yourself. The difference between you and me is that I REMIND you of what I have previously written and which you chose to skimp over without giving it due care and attention.
NECHOII 8 months ago
HUMHUM26 : On November 29, 1947, in a free and democratic vote, the United Nations MEMBER NATIONS INCLUDING ARAB NATIONS PARTICIPATED IN, voted Israel into existance. The Arabs could not accept the FACT that they lost the vote so FIVE ARAB NATIONS ATTACKED ISRAEL IN A DETERMINED EFFORT TO WIPE IT OUT ! THEY LOST AGAIN and now must live with their foolish actions ! ISRAEL, NOW A NUCLEAR POWER IS HERE TO STAY !
NECHOII 8 months ago
@NECHOII I already responded to your UN argument twice. You are blinded by your stubborness and emotions. I don't need to repeat myself, you are capable of scrolling down. Come on, now. Yes, good boy.
humhum26 8 months ago
@HUMHUM26 : GHASSANIDS and PALESTINIANS are NOT one and the same. Recent genetic research shows Palestinians are descendeants of a core population that has lived in the Mediterranean area since PREHISTORIC TIMES. The ancient Palestinians were bedouins. The GHASSANIDS emigrated from Yemen and arrived in the Levant ( mostly Syria ) between 250 A.D. - 300 A.D.
The ancient Israelites were one of 30 Canaanite tribes.
NECHOII 8 months ago
@NECHOII haha, well at least you admit that Palestinians have been there since prehistoric times. But what do you think happened to the Ghassanids when they arrived in Palestine? They mixed with the Palestinians/Canaanites and became Palestinian. They ruled Palestine as a Roman vessel (ally). So, Palestinians have a history, and they had kings or notable and powerful leaderships. You admit it yourself when you said that they were there since "prehistoric times".
humhum26 8 months ago
@ HUMHUM26 : What are you talking about ? The GHASSANIDS were a group of Christian Arab tribes who originally came from YEMEN ! They were Yemenities, NOT Palestinians.
NECHOII 8 months ago
@NECHOII They settled Palestine and became Palestinian, just like the Jews settled Canaan and made it into Israel and Judah. If you want to go even further in history, before the Jews lived the Canaanites who are the ancestors of many Palestinian families.
humhum26 8 months ago
HUMHUM26 : Before December 1917, the OTTOMAN TURKS RULED PALESTINE. It is they that were the government in Palestine. Then the BRITISH WERE THE GOVERNMENT OF PALESTINE.
As for private ownership of land ( which by the way ANY GOVERNMENT IN THE WORLD has the right to expropriate land, including Canada ) Jewish immigrants ALSO OWNED LAND DEEDS.
NECHOII 8 months ago
@NECHOII I was talking even earlier than that. 3rd century. There were kings. But all of that is irrelevant, as I said. I'm not going to repeat it to a child like yourself. No country has the right to expropriate land from another people. It's in the UN charter of rights and freedoms. I guess you also think Canada has a right to expropriate Native land and that must mean you believe Hitler had a right to expropriate European land, which makes you a rabbid, disgusting anti-Semite. HAHAHA.
humhum26 8 months ago
@NECHOII Jews only owned 5-7% of the land in land deeds by 1947.
humhum26 8 months ago
Do the research on your own, I think you're old enough. By the way, Palestinians did have "kings" like the Ghassanid Dynasty, with an ancient history of course. you're just in denial because you can't stand it. go do your research, it's all there. You pose statements without backing them up. Back up your statements you insignificant fool.
humhum26 8 months ago
@ HUMHUM : NO , BRITISH MASTERS is NOT subjective and NO, not at any time did the land legally belong to the Palestinians. Palestinians had NO Kings, NO ancient monuments, NO ancient cities, NO ancient history, NO inventions, NO writings and contributed NOTHING to the country. SHOW ME the documents which says ALL the land belongs to Palestinians.
NECHOII 8 months ago
@NECHOII I have to say this again because you're a stubborn fool. "Masters" is subjective, it's your own term with your own meaning for it. Palestinians owned it legally through the Ottoman land registry law, which the British allowed the Palestinians to keep the land deeds. The land deeds still survive today. The records all exist today. If you don't want to believe it, then that's your own problem, so get over it and stop wasting our time by repeating your dumbass arguments.
humhum26 8 months ago
@HUMHUM26 : Oh, but the British were MASTERS of Palestine. After the first two and a half years of occupation in which the British military ran Palestine, British High Commissioners were the SUPREME AUTHORITY in the country. The first High Commissioner was SIR HERBERT LOUIS and the last High Commissioner of Palestine was SIR ALAN CUNNINGHAM. YOU need to brush up on your Palestinian history.
NECHOII 8 months ago
@NECHOII "masters" is subjective. I can say the US is master of Iraq and Afghanistan. It's your own subjective term. Point is, it doesn't matter if the British were there or not, the land belonged to the Palestinians - LEGALLY. I know my history better than you and your whole family ever could, so stfu.
humhum26 8 months ago
You misunderstood me. I was being sarcastic. Of course the Iraqis are "masters of their own house". I was arguing that you can't say the British were masters of Palestine. Britain occupied Palestine the same way that the US occupies Iraq. Britain did not intend on staying and eventually left, just as the Americans are leaving Iraq. You made my point. You are ignorant of Palestinian history and I urge you to read up on it; you'd be surprised at how rich it is.
humhum26 8 months ago
@ HUMHUM26 : The Iraqis ARE MASTERS of their own house. The Americans are leaving that country at the end of this year. You deny the vital and essential importance of a people being the master of their own house to have their own country ?! You are saying that doesn't matter ?! Then I have a question for you - HEY MAN, WHAT ARE YOU SMOKING ?!
NECHOII 8 months ago
HAHAHA yeah like the Americans are "masters" of Iraq, right? WTF does that mean? LOL Being a "master" of your own house is irrelevant. They lived there, they farmed there, they raised families and a society, culture and history there. Yes, the Lord's new covenant applies to EVERYONE, that's the point. Therefore, the old covenant is obsolete.
"Masters of their own house" hahahahahahaha
humhum26 8 months ago
@ HUMHUM26 : The Palestinians may have owned 94 % of the land, during the British Mandate, but the Palestinians were NOT " masters of their own house " THE BRITISH WERE. The Palestinians NEVER were masters of there own house, BUT THE ISRAELIS WERE ON TWO OCCASIONS. During the time of KINGS OMRI AND AHAB and during the time of the HASMONEANS . THE LAND BELONGS TO ZION.
The Lord's new Covenant will apply to EVERYONE !
NECHOII 8 months ago
I will put my laws in their minds and write them on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people. No longer will a man teach his neighbor, or a man his brother, saying, 'Know the Lord,' because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest. For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more." St. Paul comments: "By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear."
humhum26 8 months ago
"The time is coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah. It will not be like the covenant I made with their forefathers when I took them by the hand to lead them out of Egypt, because they did not remain faithful to my covenant, and I turned away from them, declares the Lord. This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after that time, declares the Lord.
humhum26 8 months ago
HUMHUM26... in the West Bank. I write again, there NEVER was an independent country called Palestine, so it is not there land !
Now, in Cairo Egypt, FATAH, HAMAS and 16 other Palestinian factions have all united into one. ALL except FATAH have vowed to totallt destroy Israel and expell any Israelis who arrived or were born after December 9, 1917. There is NO HOPE now for a country called Palestine.
NECHOII 8 months ago
@NECHOII There never had to be an independent country called Palestine for it to be their land. There weren't independent countries in most of the world at that time anyway. Does that mean that the majority of the world's people were not owners of their lands? The concept of "independent countries" - or the nation state, is a new one. Palestinians possessed land deeds and still do today. The British figures put Arab ownership at 94% of the land in 1947. So - you're wrong.
humhum26 8 months ago
HUMHUM26 : .......Old Testament. I have NO INTEREST in reading Sizer's book. This man has no qualms about appearing on SYRIAN and IRANIAN television to peddle his beliefs.
Actually the Israeli economy today is doing fine compared to the vast majority of other countries economies, so economic reasons would not really be a reason for Jews not wanting to emigrate to Israel.
As far as apartment and home building by Israelis
NECHOII