@SuperMosara при чём тут Батла??? КА-50, по сравнению с Апачем практически бессмертен, учитывая многочисленное бронирование и дубляж почти всех систем. Кроме того, если "Апач" сбивают - лётчику хана. Пилот КА-50 же может катапультироваться. И если уж на то пошло, одного выстрела из 2А42 достаточно чтобы угробить "Апач" на раз-два.
ATLEAST THE AH-64 IS PROVING IT SELF VERY EFFECTIVE IN THE BATTLE FIELD, THE KA 50 IS JUST A POOR QUALITY TIN CAN THE RUSSIANS PUT TOGETHER JUST FOR SHOW, THE AH-64 CAN TAKE FOUR HITS FROM A RPG AND SURVIVE HAPPENED IN KUNAR PROVINCE LAST YEAR, GREETING FORM HOLLAND.
@k4n3n1 those rpg rockets were broken.) and also Ka50 don`t allow to hit itself by 4 rockets (!) than slow and "effective" ah64 (the ah64 pilot were drunk and very drunk I suppose or he was a noob).
@k4n3n1 If serious I mean that even one rpg rocket able to destroy ah64 and anything tupe of helicopters. That is the question of luck. Moreover rpg is anti-ground =) it doesn`t have an auto aim rockets, It has rocket grenades!!! So I mean don`t voilent your keyboard and put off caps lock. And read more a lot. Greetings from poor quality tin can making country.
@Trizonchik u right. RPG is anti-nak weapion(or infantry). Against the helicopters we have Стрела 2М, ЛУК atm, etc.It's portable, I have listed.There is no portable-thousands of them ....БУК(BUK), ТОР(TOR), Панцирь С1(2) , С300(400) (s-300-400).A verbatim statement of the Minister of Aviation YOUR COUNTRY: - "The level of development and equipping of a modern Russian air defense does not allow the existence of the U.S. Air Force"
@k4n3n1 1. KA 50 still needs to prove itself, and how can a KA-50 prove itself against a RPG, which is very unlikely to happen as the RPG is Russian and Russia isn't as retarded as the US to mind the countries fallign apart, 2. Apache isn't stealth, KA-50 is, can't hit wat you can't see. 3. YOU FUCKING RETARD, YOUR COUNTRY IS NOT HOLLAND, IT'S THE NETHERLANDS, YOU ARSFUCKING WANKER. en ik ben nederlands, dus ja ik weet wat ik zeg, zwakbegaafde
@7777chugun first of all, we'll never live in a pax americana if people like you and any other redneck are around, second of all, it's funny, you call me a moron while you have the worsdt grammar possible, are you american, could explain alot. and finally, I'm Dutch, my army has no actual strength whatsoever, but I don't think we would ever need to as 9 out of 10 times the US needed more oil or something
omg. are you an idiot? redneki is only in the U.S. because they are uneducated illiterate animals. And I, though with numerous grammatical errors, but I can speak another language (English and partly in French). And the fact that the Bundeswehr is not your strong I know so. My grandfather killed a German in 1941-1945 in considerable quantities. And the fact that you are stupid idiots, it's a fact. The Bundeswehr floor
By the way ... For a complete conquest of Europe to the Russian military is given 14 days. To do this, have the means and forces. Takchto your Bundeswehr only for show. And it's not just words, really have plans to th General Staff of Russia. just for information .....
The Ka-50 may be superior to the Longbow in everyway, there is really no way to prove it. But here is what cannot be disputed: The US has the ability to produce far more attack helicopters than Russia. The US has much higher standards of quality and research, at least as far as defense is concerned. Example: The German Tiger tank was FAR superior to the US's Sherman tank. But, the US could produce the Sherman at a much faster rate. If you can't produce enough of something, you lose in the end.
@MrJtr1888 T-34, most produced tank in the world, Russian, just pointing it out there, but it's true, Russia isn't spending 2 billion dollars on their defenses everyday!
@01101111omg 10? 2006 they had allready 16... what do you think where they are gone to? 2011 they had 92 pieces and about 70 ka52
and a threat to who? to threat the us they have the strategic intercontinental rockets... and to handle situations like in 2008 that ammount is more than enough
@TheKdh1990 its TATU - "Perfect Enemy" the band consists of 2 Russian lesbian girls, they have other songs in both English and Russian pretty good to....
The round it hits counts - there is a reason why you need so many in Apache. Perhaps there is few other reasons why US Apache pilots kill unarmed civilians and friendly forces rather than engaging armed enemies. It could be they are just dam idiots who think it is a videogame or they are too scared they will get shot down in a real combat. In Ka50 u have at least proper protection and you can get out of the thing in a hurry if you get hit. AH64 is a flying coffin
@tzahry ka-50 sucks. it has 480 rounds Apache has DU rounds with are better and it has 1200, Apache has radar guided missile while ka-50 has shit laser missiles. apache is the only digital chopper in the world ahaha ka-50 sucks
@nick74178ify the ka 50 is a far better helicopter especially in monuverbilty. the apache is getting old and the only reason why u probably like it is be
ka-50 has a 480 round set of ammo while apache has 1200 rounds plus apache 30mm has longer range and can rotate unlike the ka-50 witch is fixed The apache rockets will soon have a laser guidance and a rocket giving them a longer range and more accurate then russian rockets, as for missiles the apache has a radar fire and forget missile witch the ka-50 lacks the ka-50 has a laser missiles with means the ka-50 has to expose its self to fire and cant move till its target is dead apache is better
@nick74178ify Ka-50 can fire Vimpel R73M (AA -11 Archer) Missiles , which is Fire-and-forget type. It's similar to AIM-9X missiles that fighters are using in a dogfight. It can be targeted by a helmet-mounted sight (HMS) allowing pilots to designate targets by looking at them and Ka-50 pilot has this kind of helmet. Plus 30 mm Ka-50 round is 30x165mm whereas Apache is 30x113mm round. Ka-50 muzzle velocity is 20-25% higher
@cmhonsu33 You are out of touch. The KA-50 was designed in the early 80's and became operational in the mid 90's, its just as old as the Apache, and it hasnt been upgraded like the Apache has. The Apache would win hands down (and I love the blackshark), Yeah the ka50 is more manouverable due to its coaxial design, but the apache can outrange it using missiles and has radar, which the ka50 lacks. later ka50s were fitted with FLIR but it still has to expose itself, the apache doesnt
@cmhonsu33 add to that, if you get into cannon range, the apache holds 3 times the ammo capacity, and has a turreted cannon, the sharks cannon is fixed on one side with limited manouverability giving it a blind side. With equal pilots and cover the apache would down the ka50 before it even knew it was there (the ka50 doesnt have warrning of itself being radar locked either, only laser locked). I would like the ka50 to win, but its sadly just outclassed.
@roadsweeper1 uhum... the KA 50 has a 4 to 5 times more accurate cannon because it is mounted more towards the center of gravity. It can easily turn towards the target in less than a second. Oh and did I mention the cannon of the KA50 has 1km more effective range?
You live in films Boy, those patriotic shit "B" movies of hollywood shows what Americans HAVE to see. If they would know the truth, they would never get in a fight with other russian helis.
I can almost see the picture, how an american Trainer try to tell the pilots "If you see a Shilka, or a Ka-50, make a 180 turn and stay as low as possible!"
Thats really true, that apache prooved much in war, but its still overrated, and their pilots made some HUGE mistakes, atacking own troops. I think thex blamed the heli's sensors or somthing :)
@nick74178ify rounds of 2A42 cannon has 30x165mm caliber. Rounds of m230 - 30x113mm. Soviet cannon twice more powerfully and also can punch "Apache" through . By one shot.
@SovietWarryor not twice the power but apache gun can rotate with 2a42 lacks plus it only has 480 rounds and shorter range and the apache uses DU shells with makes it more powerful then the armour percing rounds on 2a42 look it up
@nick74178ify You are an idiot? Cartridges of gun М203 twice have less propellant powder and the trunk is twice shorter. It CAN not shoot on большее distance, than 2А42.
The minus 2А42 - its installation onboard that is a consequence of its big capacity. The mobile tourist's fur-tree won't sustain return 2А42. But Ka-50 is very quickly developed round an axis, therefore the given minus isn't of great importance.
Rediculous comparing the Apache with the Blackshark. I'd rather compare the Apache and the Havoc instead because the Blackshark is lacking efficient sensors.
esta muy bueno tu video de verdad...! Y SI AMI me pondrian a elegir entre un ka-50 y un ah-64 apache definitivamente elijo el ka-50 por su maniobrabilidad puede atacar y defenderse ademas tiene haciento eyectable es mucho mas seguro que el apache... y disculpa me puedes decir de quien es la cancion y como se llama? GRACIAS...!
@TATARSTAN59500 That is tough to say. They both carry very similar amounts of munitions but the AH-64D has a higher top speed, longer range, higher ceiling; while the Mi-28N has a higher rate of climb.
Both are comparable in terms of survivability but if you want to get technical the AH-64D is a smaller target. It just depends how the Mi-28N fares in combat.
The avionics & sights are also better in the Apache so it is really just tough to say.
@franknbeans4761 The AH64D has big heat problem. Old AntiAir systems like Stinger and Strela can take it down. The IR supressing system on the AH64 is only to reduce the heat to an normal exhaust temperature like other helicopters about 160-80 degrees.The Mi-28 has free fall ejection seats, has better armor can hold 40mm explosive rounds and the cockpit like the engine can hold RPG shells,Mi-28 can carry to crashed pilots in backside. AH64D and Mi28N can both shoot with bordcanon to 8km range.
@Talshet The IR supressing system on the MI-28, reduce the exhaust temperature to 80-23 degrees in tropical conditions. It can not be tracked from the most IR seeking Anti Air systems. It has the lowest exhaust temperature of any other Helicopter. The weaponary of the Mi-28 including the big sized thermobaric rockets wich produced in mass and can carry about 12 of them it can penetrate bunkers and can destroy tanks of range of 12 meters.The AA-10 Karen with 90kg warhead can destroy 2tanks behind
Apaches in combat have sustained unbelievable amounts of damage & still returned to base. Until the Mi-28 actually is fully battle tested in a major conflict, I cannot say that much about it's survivability.
@franknbeans4761 Yes the Apache carried crashed pilots or wounded soldiers, but it has not a special space or seats to carry them safety. They must fly very slow and cannot do maneuvares to avoid attacks because the carried soldiers would fall off. The Mi-28 survivability is efficienct through much systems and it can hold bigger calibre than the old systems like the Apache.Both engines are protected against 80mm RPG rounds. Pilots of Mi-8 in Afghanistan was shot over 200 times and no dmg result.
@Talshet I am not doubting the survivability of the Mi-28, I just know that the Apache does in fact have a good combat record to prove it's effectiveness. As for the Apache carrying special ops, what you said was not true. They have special straps for inserting them into the area. It wasn't part of the design just more of an upgrade. And I know that the Apache Block III will be fully coming out the same time the Mi-28 is fully coming out so that will be a much better comparison.
@franknbeans4761 i do not know caracteristics of these helicopters but i know you dont eather, if one choper has faster climb rate(what you said) that means that he has stronger engins, if we say that aerodynamics(foward flight) of ah64 and mi28 is similar that could only means that mi28 must be faster, or you gonna say that russian engeniers only forgot to put biger moving angle of his main rotor blades (after they constructed such great helicopter)... GO FUCK A GOAT BILI BOY
@kerber52 The Apache has more power to it's own weight. That is what I said and that is true. The Mi-28 has engines that give off more horse power but in terms of it's weight and the proportions, it doesn't help much.
@franknbeans4761if you say :when climbing mi is faster than ah, it has to be faster when is flying fowards, i dont care how much power his engine has and power to kilogram ratio, i do not go into real techical capabilities of military planes because probably no one knows exactly how much are they, i am only tryin to prove ,from your one text, that you dont know eather, but that is not stoping you to write here what ever you want. Honestly i dont care which plane is faster.
@kerber52 Neither do I really, I was mainly pointing out that the AH-64 has better power to weight ratios than that of the Mi-28, allowing for better overall performance.
Just to tell the uploader... The heli at 1:20 to 1:47 is the KA-52 Allegator, which is a 2 seat chopper based of the KA-50, but they arn't the same...
Do not expect that you will come to bomb us, Russian, as small countries. Will simply end, and we will not, but from you and there is nothing left! While the Russian bear is asleep, he will not touch anyone, but if you wake up, we have always something for you to destroy the world chto.Ves.
That's what I tell you, you are proud of your soldiers, rastrelivayut to the nines, a small Libya, Iraq and Afghanistan. Video of your killer, spread to others, so all you jackals boyalis.Tolko and panties, you do not see a serious opponent in 43 years, Americans went to war with Germany, and in 2 weeks, your troops are on the brink of disaster, and you then cry that you won in the 2nd World War))) Laughter, read the story.
Ka-50 is an exceptional machine. Nothing like it has ever been built. This attack chopper combines outstanding maneuverability and highly advanced avionics, Russia has by far developed throughout the last decade. Although it's superior to any analog in world concerning most aspects, in my opinion the best counterpart of Ah-64 is the Ka-52 which adds 1 more pilot and uses same technological achievements like Ka-50. Ka-52 is definitely the best attack chopper in world by far.
@KINO2x kaneshno-je parvet eto je rysski vertalet)----vot patamu i parvet tolko y rosii nety ix pocht nety da i vriatli xarakteristiki luchshe y ka-50- chem u apachi
@KINO2x tak mojet bit ia ni sporiy shto luchshe no vi nigogda ni vipustite serino mnogo etix vertaletov togda vi astanites galodnimi ,shtob imet naveishie texnologii kak eto meit USA nado bit vilikoi =bogatoi -ni korumpirovanoi stranoi kak USA i drygie zapadnie strani, ponimaish ia kak znaiy ka-50 drygie strani bolshe imeiyt chem rosiia nety y rossi $-shtob dlia sebia ix vipusat etokasaitsa ni tolko ka-50 a vsevo vaaryjenia,1-raz sezdi v USA-i sam poimesh shto ia xochy tebe skazat
@KINO2x ia viros v SSSR i pomniu kak nam mozgi promivali pro vsex zapadnix shto tam mitingi galadovki tam nishie i td i tp. kak zanaves jilezni groxnyl mi yvidili kto nishi i kto bagati no rysskix opat vzali v jileznie rykavici i promivaiyt mozgi shto USA vrag kavkazci vrag......skrivaia na samom dele kto vrag RYSSKOVO naroda .kstati v USA bolshe vsex narod v otlichii ot rysskix yvajaiyt i lybat rysskix a rysskie so svoim kompleksom pered luchshim i prodvinytim ninavda
@koxre1 А так и есть сейчас... митинги у вас есть, нищие тоже, да и было это все и раньше, конечно не так как нам преподносили, но было. А это дурацкое понятие железный занавес )) он как раз сейчас есть)) А то что у нас нищие это спасибо USA которая свойми грязными деньгами развалила союз и рассорила страны бывшего СССР и которая от их избытка денег лезит куда не надо через океан и устраивает войны убивая людей и навязывая свою так наз. ДЕРМОКРАТИЮ. Возомнили себя хозяевами земли!
@KINO2x Не просто развалили, а ещё и постебались над нами, когда слали консервы, с надписью "fodder"(корм скоту) и дешёвые завтраки для нигеров - "uncle Bens" из США, мыло для мертвецов из Англии и запрещённые на западе "полароиды" с радиоактивными кассетами. Скинули своё барахло и унизили по полной перед всем миром, а мы этим пользовались и приняли как дружеский жест.
@ALXBLK94 Именно! Доверять Америнской верхушке которая говорит одно, а делает совсем другое, это сейчас уже будет по меньшей мере не по детски наивно. Они всегда хотели нас уничтожить любыми средствами и путями, вплоть до кинематографа который только и пестрил о злых агентах КГБ желавших уничтожить мир)) Сейчас нас вновь пытаются втянуть в гонку вооружений, но не тут то было. Эти идиоты вроде Буша и Обамы+еще и старпер Маккеин, маячит на горизонте, все пытается отыграться за Вьетнам
@KINO2x НАТО с США во главе на слово доверять нельзя, хотя они даже официальные соглашения нагло игнорируют.
Ведь мы, когда только США отделились от Британии отправили для их поддержки 3 эскадры кораблей к берегом Америки, за копейки продали Аляску. Откуда такая ненависть со стороны их правительства непонятна.
@Dembel97 In WW II that was all because of Stalin scaring citizens into joining the army. Most of them didn't want to be in it. They were made, and they had the most casualties, but the most deployed and the worst deployed/dead ratio of any country in the war because they weren't trained well. The U.S. has better trained soldiers, and FAR better technology. And the Apache is far better than the Ka 50, any expert on attack heli's says so, doesn't matter what idiots on youtube say.
@BlindBusDrivr The U.S also joined in late for WW2, and Russia was the only country fighting the Nazis in the east, while many countries were fighting the Nazis in the western front.
@VNSki They also helped supply Russian and the U.S. took the brunt in the Pacific. I respect the Russian army, but the US just has superior technology, and being American doesn't make you a pussy.
@BlindBusDrivr Soviet Union had no choice in the matter. Unlike americans, who could safely pick well trained soldiers (and not many of them btw) and send them across the ocean, soviets had enemy invading deep into their homeland, killing and destroying their people and cities. And unlike americans, who together with allies oppoused already exhausted and minor part of German army, soviets had to fight from the beginning the major and prepared force of invasion. Also, unlike USA, USSR had
@Durmanstainer ... had to protect their infrastructure and industrial objects, not only defeat their foes. In the end, the role of USA in WW2 was not deciding - Great Britain contributed more. That is, while Soviet Union single-handedly took on the main force of the Third Reich, fighting the largest battles with the biggest armies involved on both sides. And by the end of the war the Soviet Union had better soldiers than USA - just had millions of conscripted common folks also.
@Durmanstainer And the USSR recieved help from the US in WW II, and ALL allied countries in Europe had the same problems as Russia, yet they still did not end up with their soldiers slaughtered nor did they take every man that could fight, and put them in the army.
@BlindBusDrivr AHH FUCK WITH 2ND FRONT,RUSSIANS TO MOMENT OF OPENING OF 2ND FRONT JUST ALREADY KEPT FINISHING NAZIS THEIRSELVES......90% OF NAZIS' ARMY FOUGHT WITH RUSSIANS SOOO JUST ALL WHO OPENED 2ND FRONT MADE WAR SHORTER HEHE BUT RUSSIANS EVEN WITHOUT ANY HELP COULD CLEAN WHOLE NAZI EMPIRE FROM NAZIS HEHE...USA EVEN SHOULDNT START WAR WITH JAPANESE HEHE....RUSSIANS COULD JUST TAKE TOKYO AND ALL WOULD B OVEER HEHE...NOBODY SHOULD START REAL WAR WITH RUSSIANS HEHE BECAUSE THEY'LL ALWAYS WIN...
@BlindBusDrivr BUT NOT IN REAL WAR RUSSIANS WILL B LOSING FOR EVER......REAL WAR IS WHEN DYING EVERYONE EVERYWHERE,INSANITY AND DEATH EVERYWHERE HEHE.....BUT IN NOT REAL WAR WHEN NEED MORE WORK WITH ONLY BRAINS,RUSSIAN WILL ALWAYS LOSE....BECAUSE LAZIER.......BUT IFFF WHERE BRAINS+POWER,RUSSIANS WILL ALWAYS WIN HEHE..BECAUSE NO MATTER HOW MUCH RUSSIANS DYING,RUSSIANS WONT STOP UNTIL EVERYONE DEAD OR VICTORIOUS..HEHE...SO IF USSR COULD B DEFEATED IN WW2,USA+BRITAIN WOULD B FRIENDS WITH NAZIS.....
@BlindBusDrivr BECAUSE EVERYBODY IN USA AND EUROPE COULD THINK ABOUT HITLER SAVED WORLD FROM JEWS AND RUSSIANS......ANNDD BECAUSE OF NAZIS REALLY AFRAID RUSSIANS MORE THAN DEATH,THEY PREFERRED GIVEUP TO SATELLITES INSTEAD OF RUSSIANS....HEHE....ANDDD THAT HESS IN 1941 UNDERSTOOD THAT NAZIS WILL B DOOMED AND TRIED UNITE NAZIS AND BRITAIN+USA AGAINST RUSSIANS HEHE..........
SOO FO REAL WAR BETTER RUSSIAN WEAPON BECAUSE IT IS FOR REAL INSANE WAR AND USA'S WEAPON IS FOR WHAT USA DOES.............
either your a troll of just stupid. You barely made any sense there.
And the USA's weapons are made to be the best there is, which is the case with their vehicles, the M16 just needs to be replaced by the SCAR or hk416 by now.
Well... many things need to be replaced in the us army. m1a2, bradley, patriot, humvee, styker, m109... there are much better vehicles available today.
Haha, The constructor of Apache is hurry to shake hands of constructor of KA-50 and says: Man, go to USA, they pay very well, yeah I know that your baby is cool and advanced, but nowadays we should cover basic needs, lets contruct smth hybrid), constructor of KA-50 says: you have money, but in Russia money is not in 1st or even 2nd place, I love my country and I will surve as unknown soldier which gave all to his country... So take ur money back, oh, by the way U r from?
i LOVE choppers, they are the most deadly aircraft against ground targets,, and NO!!!! A-10 30mm vulkan gun and JDAMS wount match the effectivness of my choppahs..
Apache take 3 days used in ground operation of Iraq. In one day from 35 heli was sanded ,eight came back with one fulure engines,26 from all which was sanded was demaged, after this apache DON'T use in active phase. Only in last days it was limited used. In operation where it's wasn't possibly dirrect contact with ENEMY ground forces. ....
Ka-50 better as in speed. Moboility. Apache=Technology. more stable 50.cal machine gun.
id go for a Apache. IDK why because it; for me atleast; would be easier to use and basicly Apache's better. But i like the ka50 better. Apache=more dominant, Ka50=Cooler
Flying a plane is like learning to drive an automatic car, Flying a helicopter is like learning to ride a unicycle.
You can give the controls of a trimmed plane to someone whos never flown before & they can do basic manouvers. Do the same with a helicopter & they'll most likely crash if the instructor doesn't take command.
@witchdrs I know that flying helicopters actually takes more concentration for both crew members(for 2 seated helicopters),but flying planes ain't easy either.Still,even though helicopters require constant attention from their pilot,the helicopter's firing accuracy,maeuverability,performance and armour ensure that the helicopter will survive in the battlefield.It can go fast avoiding possible incoming bullets and its armour protects the pilot.
@witchdrs rofl hit the reply button N00B. And whats the AH50? Maybe you are trying to say KA-50... And yes, I do agree that the AH-64 is the better attack helicopter.
@witchdrs 1.In which part of my comment did I say it never went into production?
2.The AH-64 was actually found insufficient during the Iraq war,and all wars America carried out in the Middle East.US Troops themselves say they overappreciated its power and performance.
3.You say it is proven.Against what?Disorganized fanatic muslim militaries whose only guns are a few AAs,AK-47s,grenades and 40 year old tanks?Come on,even the african rooivalk can destroy such things.
Proven against the Iraqi military. Heavy armour, air force, heavy SAM's & SSM'. It's the heaviest fighting that's been done in generations. Lets hope there's never a proper clash between modern & well equiped armies.
The Mi24 Hind is a flying tank & has more protection than any other helicopter. Didn't stop the mujahideen shooting a couple of hundred down.
When used as designed (tank killing) then they're great. In asymetric operations all helicopters are vunerable.
@witchdrs Heavy armour,air force?As I said,their tanks were like 30-40 years old,I don't even want to know how few and old planes/helicopters their air force had.And SAMs shoot down anything,both planes and helicopters.The Ka-50 has better performance,larger take off weight (400kg more),a single crew member,minimizing casualties in case of a crash,a very intelligent ejecting mechanism,much better cannon accuracy,and a much better price than the AH-64A (Ka-50: 15 million AH-64A: 20 million)
Weapons payload = loaded weight - empty weight. An empty KA50 is 2 tonnes heavier than an apache.
KA50 = 9.8t - 7.7t = 2.1t
AH64 = 8t - 5.2t = 2.8t
1 crew cannot do the job as well as 2. flying & shooting puts more stress on crew & drops performance & accuracy.
How is the cannon more accurate? It can shoot further but it's almost fixed so you have to point the whole helicopter. Still needs decent optics/NVG A sniper rifle is accurate but without a scope can't make use of it.
@witchdrs 2 crew members need to be able to operate as one,while the Ka-50 has only 1 user,which can do what he has to do without having to tell the pilot "go here,go there,etc etc".As for the performance and accuracy decrease,I don't think that's really a good point.If it was,many companies should have considered making 2 seated fighters/ground attack aircraft long ago..It is true that gunships such as the AC-130 need like 5 people,but planes like the A-10 seem to be very good,even with 1 pilot
@witchdrs Oh and I forgot to ask you what you mean by saying that it needs decent optics.The Shkval targeting system and the Shkval-N (Nochvoy=Night combat version) seem to be pretty satisfying
That's my point. The KA-50 never got the chance to prove itself. It probably would have been a great helicopter with development. but we'll never know. The AH64 is proven. Talking about the KA-50 being more reliable & survivable is silly as it can't be compared.
Without a good optic's package & range finder how is it going to calculate elevation to calculate trajectory loss? It's then limited to battle sights or walking/leading bullets to target.
For decent optics, the Shkval targetting system is a good start.
So take a KA50. add targetting systems, night capability, radar, a weapons officer to split the workload, armour around a bigger crew cabin. That's a LOT of weight added which kills performance.
The KA52 was the 2 seater version & the performance was poor. The Mi28 was better.
An attack helicopter needs all these to perform well on the modern battlefield & the Mi28 has all these things.
У апача обзор лучше из-за больших окон.
В игре батлфилд апач более послушен в управлении.
SuperMosara 1 day ago
@SuperMosara при чём тут Батла??? КА-50, по сравнению с Апачем практически бессмертен, учитывая многочисленное бронирование и дубляж почти всех систем. Кроме того, если "Апач" сбивают - лётчику хана. Пилот КА-50 же может катапультироваться. И если уж на то пошло, одного выстрела из 2А42 достаточно чтобы угробить "Апач" на раз-два.
LarsRino 1 day ago
Thx your upload,my favourite is:KA-50.
Tom8035 1 week ago
ka50
mishkav18 1 week ago
хуй говно и муравей .... Муравей побеждает)))
h0ochiMan 2 weeks ago
Ka-50
ThePocik777 2 weeks ago
Не те вертолёты сравниваете. Апач надо сравнивать с Ми-28
SuperMosara 2 weeks ago
@SuperMosara Почему?
ThePocik777 2 weeks ago
I want both helicopters in my back yard with two homemade helipads
billyjackphillips132 2 weeks ago
ATLEAST THE AH-64 IS PROVING IT SELF VERY EFFECTIVE IN THE BATTLE FIELD, THE KA 50 IS JUST A POOR QUALITY TIN CAN THE RUSSIANS PUT TOGETHER JUST FOR SHOW, THE AH-64 CAN TAKE FOUR HITS FROM A RPG AND SURVIVE HAPPENED IN KUNAR PROVINCE LAST YEAR, GREETING FORM HOLLAND.
k4n3n1 3 weeks ago
@k4n3n1 those rpg rockets were broken.) and also Ka50 don`t allow to hit itself by 4 rockets (!) than slow and "effective" ah64 (the ah64 pilot were drunk and very drunk I suppose or he was a noob).
Trizonchik 2 weeks ago
@k4n3n1 If serious I mean that even one rpg rocket able to destroy ah64 and anything tupe of helicopters. That is the question of luck. Moreover rpg is anti-ground =) it doesn`t have an auto aim rockets, It has rocket grenades!!! So I mean don`t voilent your keyboard and put off caps lock. And read more a lot. Greetings from poor quality tin can making country.
Trizonchik 2 weeks ago 3
@Trizonchik u right. RPG is anti-nak weapion(or infantry). Against the helicopters we have Стрела 2М, ЛУК atm, etc.It's portable, I have listed.There is no portable-thousands of them ....БУК(BUK), ТОР(TOR), Панцирь С1(2) , С300(400) (s-300-400).A verbatim statement of the Minister of Aviation YOUR COUNTRY: - "The level of development and equipping of a modern Russian air defense does not allow the existence of the U.S. Air Force"
7777chugun 1 week ago
@7777chugun sry anti-tank*
7777chugun 1 week ago
@k4n3n1 1. KA 50 still needs to prove itself, and how can a KA-50 prove itself against a RPG, which is very unlikely to happen as the RPG is Russian and Russia isn't as retarded as the US to mind the countries fallign apart, 2. Apache isn't stealth, KA-50 is, can't hit wat you can't see. 3. YOU FUCKING RETARD, YOUR COUNTRY IS NOT HOLLAND, IT'S THE NETHERLANDS, YOU ARSFUCKING WANKER. en ik ben nederlands, dus ja ik weet wat ik zeg, zwakbegaafde
Teewan100 1 week ago
@Teewan100
U fuckin retard.Do you think you live in a pax americana? Kill yourself pls fuckin moran
7777chugun 1 week ago
@7777chugun first of all, we'll never live in a pax americana if people like you and any other redneck are around, second of all, it's funny, you call me a moron while you have the worsdt grammar possible, are you american, could explain alot. and finally, I'm Dutch, my army has no actual strength whatsoever, but I don't think we would ever need to as 9 out of 10 times the US needed more oil or something
Teewan100 1 week ago
@Teewan100
omg. are you an idiot? redneki is only in the U.S. because they are uneducated illiterate animals. And I, though with numerous grammatical errors, but I can speak another language (English and partly in French). And the fact that the Bundeswehr is not your strong I know so. My grandfather killed a German in 1941-1945 in considerable quantities. And the fact that you are stupid idiots, it's a fact. The Bundeswehr floor
7777chugun 1 week ago
@7777chugun I can speak multiple languages; Dutch, German, French, a little Russian, Latin, Greek and English, so I can speak german too...
Ich spreche auch deutsch, verstehst du das?
Je parle francais, en ik spreek ook nederlands, Dico Latinum, legoo Graichos
Teewan100 1 week ago
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@Teewan100 ah you just lieve balls
FUCKAMERISCUM666 3 days ago
@Teewan100
By the way ... For a complete conquest of Europe to the Russian military is given 14 days. To do this, have the means and forces. Takchto your Bundeswehr only for show. And it's not just words, really have plans to th General Staff of Russia. just for information .....
7777chugun 1 week ago
@Teewan100
delete windows pls.
7777chugun 6 days ago
@7777chugun U mad retard?
Teewan100 6 days ago
@Teewan100
By the way, do you really think that your army to fight against Mauger really developed a complex enemy? You are naive girl ...
7777chugun 1 week ago
@k4n3n1
what are you a sheep? If Russia does not attack at all in a row, unlike the U.S. it means that Apache is better?? Committed suicide, please.
7777chugun 1 week ago
@7777chugun commit*
Teewan100 6 days ago
This thing is a beast!!!
Gigler43 3 weeks ago
ка-50
600koba 3 weeks ago 6
The Ka-50 may be superior to the Longbow in everyway, there is really no way to prove it. But here is what cannot be disputed: The US has the ability to produce far more attack helicopters than Russia. The US has much higher standards of quality and research, at least as far as defense is concerned. Example: The German Tiger tank was FAR superior to the US's Sherman tank. But, the US could produce the Sherman at a much faster rate. If you can't produce enough of something, you lose in the end.
MrJtr1888 3 weeks ago
@MrJtr1888 T-34, most produced tank in the world, Russian, just pointing it out there, but it's true, Russia isn't spending 2 billion dollars on their defenses everyday!
Teewan100 1 week ago
the ka-50 has the looks but there is only 10 which barley makes it a threat
01101111omg 1 month ago
@01101111omg 10? 2006 they had allready 16... what do you think where they are gone to? 2011 they had 92 pieces and about 70 ka52
and a threat to who? to threat the us they have the strategic intercontinental rockets... and to handle situations like in 2008 that ammount is more than enough
Weisswurstesser 1 month ago
i prefer the blackshark, somebody knows the name song? =)
TheKdh1990 1 month ago
@TheKdh1990 its TATU - "Perfect Enemy" the band consists of 2 Russian lesbian girls, they have other songs in both English and Russian pretty good to....
theHun56 1 month ago
all americans think that ah64 becouse it american )))
4elovek1899349 2 months ago
@4elovek1899349
Which is a complete back of bullshit.
Providence932 2 days ago
The round it hits counts - there is a reason why you need so many in Apache. Perhaps there is few other reasons why US Apache pilots kill unarmed civilians and friendly forces rather than engaging armed enemies. It could be they are just dam idiots who think it is a videogame or they are too scared they will get shot down in a real combat. In Ka50 u have at least proper protection and you can get out of the thing in a hurry if you get hit. AH64 is a flying coffin
tzahry 2 months ago
Ka50 is everything what the AH64 is pretending to be :-)
tzahry 2 months ago
@tzahry ka-50 sucks. it has 480 rounds Apache has DU rounds with are better and it has 1200, Apache has radar guided missile while ka-50 has shit laser missiles. apache is the only digital chopper in the world ahaha ka-50 sucks
nick74178ify 2 months ago
@nick74178ify the ka 50 is a far better helicopter especially in monuverbilty. the apache is getting old and the only reason why u probably like it is be
cause its in the films.
cmhonsu33 2 months ago
ka-50 has a 480 round set of ammo while apache has 1200 rounds plus apache 30mm has longer range and can rotate unlike the ka-50 witch is fixed The apache rockets will soon have a laser guidance and a rocket giving them a longer range and more accurate then russian rockets, as for missiles the apache has a radar fire and forget missile witch the ka-50 lacks the ka-50 has a laser missiles with means the ka-50 has to expose its self to fire and cant move till its target is dead apache is better
nick74178ify 2 months ago
@nick74178ify Ka-50 can fire Vimpel R73M (AA -11 Archer) Missiles , which is Fire-and-forget type. It's similar to AIM-9X missiles that fighters are using in a dogfight. It can be targeted by a helmet-mounted sight (HMS) allowing pilots to designate targets by looking at them and Ka-50 pilot has this kind of helmet. Plus 30 mm Ka-50 round is 30x165mm whereas Apache is 30x113mm round. Ka-50 muzzle velocity is 20-25% higher
DENSF 1 month ago
@cmhonsu33 You are out of touch. The KA-50 was designed in the early 80's and became operational in the mid 90's, its just as old as the Apache, and it hasnt been upgraded like the Apache has. The Apache would win hands down (and I love the blackshark), Yeah the ka50 is more manouverable due to its coaxial design, but the apache can outrange it using missiles and has radar, which the ka50 lacks. later ka50s were fitted with FLIR but it still has to expose itself, the apache doesnt
roadsweeper1 1 month ago
@cmhonsu33 add to that, if you get into cannon range, the apache holds 3 times the ammo capacity, and has a turreted cannon, the sharks cannon is fixed on one side with limited manouverability giving it a blind side. With equal pilots and cover the apache would down the ka50 before it even knew it was there (the ka50 doesnt have warrning of itself being radar locked either, only laser locked). I would like the ka50 to win, but its sadly just outclassed.
roadsweeper1 1 month ago
@roadsweeper1 say what you want but the black shark is better so FUCK OFF
cmhonsu33 1 month ago
@roadsweeper1 uhum... the KA 50 has a 4 to 5 times more accurate cannon because it is mounted more towards the center of gravity. It can easily turn towards the target in less than a second. Oh and did I mention the cannon of the KA50 has 1km more effective range?
muzeklijstje 3 weeks ago
@nick74178ify
You live in films Boy, those patriotic shit "B" movies of hollywood shows what Americans HAVE to see. If they would know the truth, they would never get in a fight with other russian helis.
I can almost see the picture, how an american Trainer try to tell the pilots "If you see a Shilka, or a Ka-50, make a 180 turn and stay as low as possible!"
Muckytuja 1 month ago
@Muckytuja or shhot it down with a aim-9 ahahah
nick74178ify 1 month ago
@nick74178ify
:D maybe!
Thats really true, that apache prooved much in war, but its still overrated, and their pilots made some HUGE mistakes, atacking own troops. I think thex blamed the heli's sensors or somthing :)
Muckytuja 1 month ago
@nick74178ify rounds of 2A42 cannon has 30x165mm caliber. Rounds of m230 - 30x113mm. Soviet cannon twice more powerfully and also can punch "Apache" through . By one shot.
SovietWarryor 1 month ago
@SovietWarryor not twice the power but apache gun can rotate with 2a42 lacks plus it only has 480 rounds and shorter range and the apache uses DU shells with makes it more powerful then the armour percing rounds on 2a42 look it up
nick74178ify 1 month ago
@nick74178ify You are an idiot? Cartridges of gun М203 twice have less propellant powder and the trunk is twice shorter. It CAN not shoot on большее distance, than 2А42.
The minus 2А42 - its installation onboard that is a consequence of its big capacity. The mobile tourist's fur-tree won't sustain return 2А42. But Ka-50 is very quickly developed round an axis, therefore the given minus isn't of great importance.
SovietWarryor 1 month ago
Ка 50 не боеспособна.КА 52 и МИ 28 рулит
Nepal802 2 months ago
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smotri AH-64D "Apache" vs K-50 "Акула" ничуть не страшно
MrSapadlo 3 months ago
Rediculous comparing the Apache with the Blackshark. I'd rather compare the Apache and the Havoc instead because the Blackshark is lacking efficient sensors.
TheCabal 3 months ago
ah-64
gtamodman122 3 months ago
great song and great helicopters !
creativeprojects720 3 months ago
esta muy bueno tu video de verdad...! Y SI AMI me pondrian a elegir entre un ka-50 y un ah-64 apache definitivamente elijo el ka-50 por su maniobrabilidad puede atacar y defenderse ademas tiene haciento eyectable es mucho mas seguro que el apache... y disculpa me puedes decir de quien es la cancion y como se llama? GRACIAS...!
MrSystemrammstein 3 months ago
AH-64 the helicopter fine, which it can be to shoot an AK-47)))
DOLGgenerals 4 months ago
What is the song?
Please do tell me :)
RomanBelvedere 4 months ago
Ka-50
Vyun1969 4 months ago 38
compare to mi-28ne good luck ah-64d no have any chance
ka-50 and ka-52 is reco helicopter
TATARSTAN59500 5 months ago
@TATARSTAN59500 That is tough to say. They both carry very similar amounts of munitions but the AH-64D has a higher top speed, longer range, higher ceiling; while the Mi-28N has a higher rate of climb.
Both are comparable in terms of survivability but if you want to get technical the AH-64D is a smaller target. It just depends how the Mi-28N fares in combat.
The avionics & sights are also better in the Apache so it is really just tough to say.
franknbeans4761 4 months ago
@franknbeans4761 you say nothing but you prefer ah-64
avionic of mi-28ne is looks like jet cockpit and mi-28 have more than 300km/h speed max
and have more armor than ah-64
TATARSTAN59500 4 months ago
@TATARSTAN59500 It is really hard to say which aircraft is better protected. A lot of AH-64's have been shot apart in Iraq but still returned to base.
I would say the Ka-50/52 & Mi-35 are not comparable to the AH-64D at all. None of them have mast mounted sights which is a major advantage.
They may be good for some close air support but even then so is the AH-64.
And the AH-64D Block III will enter service in 2012 & will have a lot of upgrades including being able to control UAV's.
franknbeans4761 4 months ago
@franknbeans4761 mi-28ne mi-28mn mi-35m and ka-52 Hokum-a enter in service in 2010-2011
TATARSTAN59500 4 months ago
@franknbeans4761 mi-28ne mi-28mn mi-35m and ka-52 Hokum-a enter in service in 2010-2011
TATARSTAN59500 4 months ago
@franknbeans4761 and avionic is not important the most important is pilots
ka-50 mi-35 is more simple but is not bad helicopter
and mi-28ne is bigger than ah-64d
so the equivalent of ah is ka-50 and mi-24 mi-35 only
TATARSTAN59500 4 months ago
@franknbeans4761 The AH64D has big heat problem. Old AntiAir systems like Stinger and Strela can take it down. The IR supressing system on the AH64 is only to reduce the heat to an normal exhaust temperature like other helicopters about 160-80 degrees.The Mi-28 has free fall ejection seats, has better armor can hold 40mm explosive rounds and the cockpit like the engine can hold RPG shells,Mi-28 can carry to crashed pilots in backside. AH64D and Mi28N can both shoot with bordcanon to 8km range.
Talshet 4 months ago
@Talshet The IR supressing system on the MI-28, reduce the exhaust temperature to 80-23 degrees in tropical conditions. It can not be tracked from the most IR seeking Anti Air systems. It has the lowest exhaust temperature of any other Helicopter. The weaponary of the Mi-28 including the big sized thermobaric rockets wich produced in mass and can carry about 12 of them it can penetrate bunkers and can destroy tanks of range of 12 meters.The AA-10 Karen with 90kg warhead can destroy 2tanks behind
Talshet 4 months ago
@Talshet I wouldn't say it is a big heat problem, but it is for sure greater than the Mi-28.
And AH-64D's have carried crashed pilots & special operations troops in case of emergencies too.
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Apaches in combat have sustained unbelievable amounts of damage & still returned to base. Until the Mi-28 actually is fully battle tested in a major conflict, I cannot say that much about it's survivability.
franknbeans4761 4 months ago
@franknbeans4761 Yes the Apache carried crashed pilots or wounded soldiers, but it has not a special space or seats to carry them safety. They must fly very slow and cannot do maneuvares to avoid attacks because the carried soldiers would fall off. The Mi-28 survivability is efficienct through much systems and it can hold bigger calibre than the old systems like the Apache.Both engines are protected against 80mm RPG rounds. Pilots of Mi-8 in Afghanistan was shot over 200 times and no dmg result.
Talshet 4 months ago
@Talshet I am not doubting the survivability of the Mi-28, I just know that the Apache does in fact have a good combat record to prove it's effectiveness. As for the Apache carrying special ops, what you said was not true. They have special straps for inserting them into the area. It wasn't part of the design just more of an upgrade. And I know that the Apache Block III will be fully coming out the same time the Mi-28 is fully coming out so that will be a much better comparison.
franknbeans4761 4 months ago
@franknbeans4761 i do not know caracteristics of these helicopters but i know you dont eather, if one choper has faster climb rate(what you said) that means that he has stronger engins, if we say that aerodynamics(foward flight) of ah64 and mi28 is similar that could only means that mi28 must be faster, or you gonna say that russian engeniers only forgot to put biger moving angle of his main rotor blades (after they constructed such great helicopter)... GO FUCK A GOAT BILI BOY
kerber52 2 days ago
@kerber52 The Apache has more power to it's own weight. That is what I said and that is true. The Mi-28 has engines that give off more horse power but in terms of it's weight and the proportions, it doesn't help much.
franknbeans4761 21 hours ago
@franknbeans4761if you say :when climbing mi is faster than ah, it has to be faster when is flying fowards, i dont care how much power his engine has and power to kilogram ratio, i do not go into real techical capabilities of military planes because probably no one knows exactly how much are they, i am only tryin to prove ,from your one text, that you dont know eather, but that is not stoping you to write here what ever you want. Honestly i dont care which plane is faster.
kerber52 12 hours ago
@kerber52 Neither do I really, I was mainly pointing out that the AH-64 has better power to weight ratios than that of the Mi-28, allowing for better overall performance.
franknbeans4761 2 hours ago
Кто поет? Что за песня??
11111Vancu 5 months ago
@11111Vancu тату поёт,как именно называется не вспомнить.
popapkasuper 5 months ago
Just to tell the uploader... The heli at 1:20 to 1:47 is the KA-52 Allegator, which is a 2 seat chopper based of the KA-50, but they arn't the same...
zenny1329 5 months ago
USA Fuck you... pigs... что вас всех в рот на оборот ))) я истенный патриот )))
8xxxxxxxx8xxxxxxxx8 5 months ago 2
vot tak rossia vpered
snake230685 5 months ago
Do not expect that you will come to bomb us, Russian, as small countries. Will simply end, and we will not, but from you and there is nothing left! While the Russian bear is asleep, he will not touch anyone, but if you wake up, we have always something for you to destroy the world chto.Ves.
skikgda 5 months ago
That's what I tell you, you are proud of your soldiers, rastrelivayut to the nines, a small Libya, Iraq and Afghanistan. Video of your killer, spread to others, so all you jackals boyalis.Tolko and panties, you do not see a serious opponent in 43 years, Americans went to war with Germany, and in 2 weeks, your troops are on the brink of disaster, and you then cry that you won in the 2nd World War))) Laughter, read the story.
skikgda 5 months ago
KA50 4ever best helikopter in the world
MyMcMichael 6 months ago
Ah-64 pwns completely Ka-50 over battlefield.
Boberrosini 6 months ago
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kolianlt 6 months ago
@Boberrosini Ka-50 can use diesel and vodka as fuel!
kolianlt 6 months ago 43
@kolianlt Well, I guess drinking choppers are forbidden in Russian Federation :P
Boberrosini 6 months ago
@kolianlt diesel for the engine - vodka for the pilot
MrRammsteinKicksAss 5 months ago
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@kolianlt diesel for the engine - vodka for the pilot
MrRammsteinKicksAss 5 months ago
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@kolianlt diesel for the engine - vodka for the pilot
MrRammsteinKicksAss 5 months ago
@kolianlt водка у тя в штанах
vadimvideo12345 1 month ago
@kolianlt dont forget bear shit! YES WE USE THAT AS FUEL TOO!
cccpredarmy 1 month ago
Ka-50 is an exceptional machine. Nothing like it has ever been built. This attack chopper combines outstanding maneuverability and highly advanced avionics, Russia has by far developed throughout the last decade. Although it's superior to any analog in world concerning most aspects, in my opinion the best counterpart of Ah-64 is the Ka-52 which adds 1 more pilot and uses same technological achievements like Ka-50. Ka-52 is definitely the best attack chopper in world by far.
EminidisMike 6 months ago
Apache wins....
MrAKAGermanOUTLAW 6 months ago
@MrAKAGermanOUTLAW no pache lol ka 50 wins
nanokrysis 5 months ago
what's the song?
VNSki 6 months ago
Respect to Russian Army. ]
Brother in USA
whata86 6 months ago 3
They both look really sexy. Would be awesome to fly both.
whata86 6 months ago
Ка-50, порвет Ан-64 на мелкие конфетти:))
KINO2x 7 months ago 36
@KINO2x kaneshno-je parvet eto je rysski vertalet)----vot patamu i parvet tolko y rosii nety ix pocht nety da i vriatli xarakteristiki luchshe y ka-50- chem u apachi
koxre1 3 months ago
@koxre1Возможности КА-50. больше и он технически совершенней Апача.. Просто как нибудь почитай о Ка-50 ..
KINO2x 3 months ago
@KINO2x tak mojet bit ia ni sporiy shto luchshe no vi nigogda ni vipustite serino mnogo etix vertaletov togda vi astanites galodnimi ,shtob imet naveishie texnologii kak eto meit USA nado bit vilikoi =bogatoi -ni korumpirovanoi stranoi kak USA i drygie zapadnie strani, ponimaish ia kak znaiy ka-50 drygie strani bolshe imeiyt chem rosiia nety y rossi $-shtob dlia sebia ix vipusat etokasaitsa ni tolko ka-50 a vsevo vaaryjenia,1-raz sezdi v USA-i sam poimesh shto ia xochy tebe skazat
koxre1 3 months ago
@koxre1 Ну если ты меня приглашаешь в USA, то.... так уж быть приеду, посмотрю на незапятнаную Американскую демократию....
KINO2x 3 months ago
@KINO2x ia viros v SSSR i pomniu kak nam mozgi promivali pro vsex zapadnix shto tam mitingi galadovki tam nishie i td i tp. kak zanaves jilezni groxnyl mi yvidili kto nishi i kto bagati no rysskix opat vzali v jileznie rykavici i promivaiyt mozgi shto USA vrag kavkazci vrag......skrivaia na samom dele kto vrag RYSSKOVO naroda .kstati v USA bolshe vsex narod v otlichii ot rysskix yvajaiyt i lybat rysskix a rysskie so svoim kompleksom pered luchshim i prodvinytim ninavda
koxre1 3 months ago
@koxre1 А так и есть сейчас... митинги у вас есть, нищие тоже, да и было это все и раньше, конечно не так как нам преподносили, но было. А это дурацкое понятие железный занавес )) он как раз сейчас есть)) А то что у нас нищие это спасибо USA которая свойми грязными деньгами развалила союз и рассорила страны бывшего СССР и которая от их избытка денег лезит куда не надо через океан и устраивает войны убивая людей и навязывая свою так наз. ДЕРМОКРАТИЮ. Возомнили себя хозяевами земли!
KINO2x 3 months ago
@KINO2x Не просто развалили, а ещё и постебались над нами, когда слали консервы, с надписью "fodder"(корм скоту) и дешёвые завтраки для нигеров - "uncle Bens" из США, мыло для мертвецов из Англии и запрещённые на западе "полароиды" с радиоактивными кассетами. Скинули своё барахло и унизили по полной перед всем миром, а мы этим пользовались и приняли как дружеский жест.
И как после этого им доверять?
ALXBLK94 2 months ago
@ALXBLK94 Именно! Доверять Америнской верхушке которая говорит одно, а делает совсем другое, это сейчас уже будет по меньшей мере не по детски наивно. Они всегда хотели нас уничтожить любыми средствами и путями, вплоть до кинематографа который только и пестрил о злых агентах КГБ желавших уничтожить мир)) Сейчас нас вновь пытаются втянуть в гонку вооружений, но не тут то было. Эти идиоты вроде Буша и Обамы+еще и старпер Маккеин, маячит на горизонте, все пытается отыграться за Вьетнам
KINO2x 2 months ago
@KINO2x НАТО с США во главе на слово доверять нельзя, хотя они даже официальные соглашения нагло игнорируют.
Ведь мы, когда только США отделились от Британии отправили для их поддержки 3 эскадры кораблей к берегом Америки, за копейки продали Аляску. Откуда такая ненависть со стороны их правительства непонятна.
ALXBLK94 2 months ago
@Dembel97 In WW II that was all because of Stalin scaring citizens into joining the army. Most of them didn't want to be in it. They were made, and they had the most casualties, but the most deployed and the worst deployed/dead ratio of any country in the war because they weren't trained well. The U.S. has better trained soldiers, and FAR better technology. And the Apache is far better than the Ka 50, any expert on attack heli's says so, doesn't matter what idiots on youtube say.
BlindBusDrivr 7 months ago
@BlindBusDrivr The U.S also joined in late for WW2, and Russia was the only country fighting the Nazis in the east, while many countries were fighting the Nazis in the western front.
VNSki 6 months ago
@VNSki They also helped supply Russian and the U.S. took the brunt in the Pacific. I respect the Russian army, but the US just has superior technology, and being American doesn't make you a pussy.
BlindBusDrivr 6 months ago
@BlindBusDrivr Soviet Union had no choice in the matter. Unlike americans, who could safely pick well trained soldiers (and not many of them btw) and send them across the ocean, soviets had enemy invading deep into their homeland, killing and destroying their people and cities. And unlike americans, who together with allies oppoused already exhausted and minor part of German army, soviets had to fight from the beginning the major and prepared force of invasion. Also, unlike USA, USSR had
Durmanstainer 6 months ago
@Durmanstainer ... had to protect their infrastructure and industrial objects, not only defeat their foes. In the end, the role of USA in WW2 was not deciding - Great Britain contributed more. That is, while Soviet Union single-handedly took on the main force of the Third Reich, fighting the largest battles with the biggest armies involved on both sides. And by the end of the war the Soviet Union had better soldiers than USA - just had millions of conscripted common folks also.
Durmanstainer 6 months ago
@Durmanstainer If I recall, the USSR wasn't in it until the Germans broke the agreement and attacked them.
BlindBusDrivr 6 months ago
@Durmanstainer And the USSR recieved help from the US in WW II, and ALL allied countries in Europe had the same problems as Russia, yet they still did not end up with their soldiers slaughtered nor did they take every man that could fight, and put them in the army.
BlindBusDrivr 6 months ago
@BlindBusDrivr AHH FUCK WITH 2ND FRONT,RUSSIANS TO MOMENT OF OPENING OF 2ND FRONT JUST ALREADY KEPT FINISHING NAZIS THEIRSELVES......90% OF NAZIS' ARMY FOUGHT WITH RUSSIANS SOOO JUST ALL WHO OPENED 2ND FRONT MADE WAR SHORTER HEHE BUT RUSSIANS EVEN WITHOUT ANY HELP COULD CLEAN WHOLE NAZI EMPIRE FROM NAZIS HEHE...USA EVEN SHOULDNT START WAR WITH JAPANESE HEHE....RUSSIANS COULD JUST TAKE TOKYO AND ALL WOULD B OVEER HEHE...NOBODY SHOULD START REAL WAR WITH RUSSIANS HEHE BECAUSE THEY'LL ALWAYS WIN...
robotnikkkk 6 months ago
@BlindBusDrivr BUT NOT IN REAL WAR RUSSIANS WILL B LOSING FOR EVER......REAL WAR IS WHEN DYING EVERYONE EVERYWHERE,INSANITY AND DEATH EVERYWHERE HEHE.....BUT IN NOT REAL WAR WHEN NEED MORE WORK WITH ONLY BRAINS,RUSSIAN WILL ALWAYS LOSE....BECAUSE LAZIER.......BUT IFFF WHERE BRAINS+POWER,RUSSIANS WILL ALWAYS WIN HEHE..BECAUSE NO MATTER HOW MUCH RUSSIANS DYING,RUSSIANS WONT STOP UNTIL EVERYONE DEAD OR VICTORIOUS..HEHE...SO IF USSR COULD B DEFEATED IN WW2,USA+BRITAIN WOULD B FRIENDS WITH NAZIS.....
robotnikkkk 6 months ago
@BlindBusDrivr BECAUSE EVERYBODY IN USA AND EUROPE COULD THINK ABOUT HITLER SAVED WORLD FROM JEWS AND RUSSIANS......ANNDD BECAUSE OF NAZIS REALLY AFRAID RUSSIANS MORE THAN DEATH,THEY PREFERRED GIVEUP TO SATELLITES INSTEAD OF RUSSIANS....HEHE....ANDDD THAT HESS IN 1941 UNDERSTOOD THAT NAZIS WILL B DOOMED AND TRIED UNITE NAZIS AND BRITAIN+USA AGAINST RUSSIANS HEHE..........
SOO FO REAL WAR BETTER RUSSIAN WEAPON BECAUSE IT IS FOR REAL INSANE WAR AND USA'S WEAPON IS FOR WHAT USA DOES.............
robotnikkkk 6 months ago
@robotnikkkk
either your a troll of just stupid. You barely made any sense there.
And the USA's weapons are made to be the best there is, which is the case with their vehicles, the M16 just needs to be replaced by the SCAR or hk416 by now.
BlindBusDrivr 6 months ago
@BlindBusDrivr
Well... many things need to be replaced in the us army. m1a2, bradley, patriot, humvee, styker, m109... there are much better vehicles available today.
natsplit 5 months ago
ка-52 великий вертолет!
KeNnkaaaaa 7 months ago
Haha, The constructor of Apache is hurry to shake hands of constructor of KA-50 and says: Man, go to USA, they pay very well, yeah I know that your baby is cool and advanced, but nowadays we should cover basic needs, lets contruct smth hybrid), constructor of KA-50 says: you have money, but in Russia money is not in 1st or even 2nd place, I love my country and I will surve as unknown soldier which gave all to his country... So take ur money back, oh, by the way U r from?
Mrbizguru 7 months ago
i LOVE choppers, they are the most deadly aircraft against ground targets,, and NO!!!! A-10 30mm vulkan gun and JDAMS wount match the effectivness of my choppahs..
THUMBS UP FOR ATTACK CHOOPAHS
PILUPACKSXXX 7 months ago
КА 50 и КА 52 лучшие вертолеты в мире
SlayCamperEarl 8 months ago
watch?v=vGfZX0oPKAM&feature=related
watch?v=ZyPR6uL6NBI&feature=related watch?v=_hvZ5lU0MA0&feature=related
watch?v=2uWmpGS7PZo&feature=related
Ka-50 could equiped whith this.
FMorris308 8 months ago
Who is win?
Кто есть победить?
LADruss 8 months ago
@LADruss Кто победит. You have sad uncorrectly
FMorris308 8 months ago
@FMorris308 Я перевёл правильно, а вот написано неправильно. Надо "Who wins?" или "Who will win?".
LADruss 8 months ago
@LADruss Спроси меня и поймем толко мы .че сказать хотели. но какосы вроде говорят второй врянт.
FMorris308 8 months ago
delate_www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-IXbVGSGU0&feature=channel_video_title
Video Mi-28 vs somthing small calliber.
It make holl on it's light armour with diammeter, bigger than thiknes of any covering of apache armor.
but cockpit have save it from penetration
FMorris308 8 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Apache take 3 days used in ground operation of Iraq. In one day from 35 heli was sanded ,eight came back with one fulure engines,26 from all which was sanded was demaged, after this apache DON'T use in active phase. Only in last days it was limited used. In operation where it's wasn't possibly dirrect contact with ENEMY ground forces. ....
Ill try to make video That ll help.
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FMorris308 8 months ago
Ka-50 better as in speed. Moboility. Apache=Technology. more stable 50.cal machine gun.
id go for a Apache. IDK why because it; for me atleast; would be easier to use and basicly Apache's better. But i like the ka50 better. Apache=more dominant, Ka50=Cooler
eigdf 8 months ago
@eigdf AH-64 doesn't have a 50 cal... It has a 30mm cannon
TEHGROUND 8 months ago
@eigdf And the KA-50 has a 30 mm too...
TEHGROUND 8 months ago
@Dembel97 ejection seat? dont need one were not Russian pussies.
eigdf 8 months ago
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FMorris308 9 months ago
KA-50 is the best it looks awesome
gerry7man555 10 months ago 9
APACHE IS THE BEST!!!
KnoppiX0011 10 months ago
@KnoppiX0011 ha ha
Roofius2 9 months ago
APACHE MADE IN CHINA NO CHANCE!!
Maximalnoob 10 months ago
WHO CARES? SERIOUSLY!!!!!!
America= Likes to tell everybody and show off their military equipment. i.e. Glorify themselves...
Russia= Focus more attention into developing and preparing rather than telling everybody...
Both are great, and it's not like they're gonna go to war with each other or anything, far out...
PraiseEducation 11 months ago
Song name?
WR1ck1e 11 months ago
@WR1ck1e TATU -Perfect enemy
Kostet91 11 months ago
song name please
EminidisMike 11 months ago
The best example I've heard is:
Flying a plane is like learning to drive an automatic car, Flying a helicopter is like learning to ride a unicycle.
You can give the controls of a trimmed plane to someone whos never flown before & they can do basic manouvers. Do the same with a helicopter & they'll most likely crash if the instructor doesn't take command.
witchdrs 1 year ago
The A-10 is an airplane & a lot easier to fly than a helicopter.
If you've every flown a helicopter & a plane you'll know there's a world of difference.
Helicopters require a *lot* of attention to fly. The accident rates for helicopters is massivley higher than planes.
Planes have mature FBW systems but Helicopter FBW is still problematic.
Spending time aiming weapons takes away your attention & your more likely to crash the helicopter & lose situational awareness.
witchdrs 1 year ago
@witchdrs I know that flying helicopters actually takes more concentration for both crew members(for 2 seated helicopters),but flying planes ain't easy either.Still,even though helicopters require constant attention from their pilot,the helicopter's firing accuracy,maeuverability,performance and armour ensure that the helicopter will survive in the battlefield.It can go fast avoiding possible incoming bullets and its armour protects the pilot.
gtamodman122 1 year ago
@witchdrs Planes have mature FBW systems but Helicopter FBW is still problematic.- In Russia it's Aktay, Ka-52 ... Which problem
FMorris308 8 months ago
@witchdrs no Aktay,but Ansat, both tatarian made,)confusing
FMorris308 8 months ago
Ка 50 это машина смотреть приятно
Vovant70 1 year ago
@ gtamodman122.
How can you prove that when the KA50 never went into production?
The AH64 is proven & reliable. THe AH50 has no reliability or survivability metrics.
Accuracy = Weapons system & targeting systems, training & workload.
The AH64 has the TADS/PNVS & Firecontrol radar. AH50 has none.
Flying & weapons control/targeting are done by different crew giving better performance.
The AH64 is proven dealdy accurate at night & bad weather.
Any video's of AH50 at night?
witchdrs 1 year ago
@witchdrs rofl hit the reply button N00B. And whats the AH50? Maybe you are trying to say KA-50... And yes, I do agree that the AH-64 is the better attack helicopter.
TEHGROUND 1 year ago
@witchdrs 1.In which part of my comment did I say it never went into production?
2.The AH-64 was actually found insufficient during the Iraq war,and all wars America carried out in the Middle East.US Troops themselves say they overappreciated its power and performance.
3.You say it is proven.Against what?Disorganized fanatic muslim militaries whose only guns are a few AAs,AK-47s,grenades and 40 year old tanks?Come on,even the african rooivalk can destroy such things.
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gtamodman122 1 year ago
@gtamodman122
Proven against the Iraqi military. Heavy armour, air force, heavy SAM's & SSM'. It's the heaviest fighting that's been done in generations. Lets hope there's never a proper clash between modern & well equiped armies.
The Mi24 Hind is a flying tank & has more protection than any other helicopter. Didn't stop the mujahideen shooting a couple of hundred down.
When used as designed (tank killing) then they're great. In asymetric operations all helicopters are vunerable.
witchdrs 1 year ago
@witchdrs Heavy armour,air force?As I said,their tanks were like 30-40 years old,I don't even want to know how few and old planes/helicopters their air force had.And SAMs shoot down anything,both planes and helicopters.The Ka-50 has better performance,larger take off weight (400kg more),a single crew member,minimizing casualties in case of a crash,a very intelligent ejecting mechanism,much better cannon accuracy,and a much better price than the AH-64A (Ka-50: 15 million AH-64A: 20 million)
gtamodman122 1 year ago
@gtamodman122
Weapons payload = loaded weight - empty weight. An empty KA50 is 2 tonnes heavier than an apache.
KA50 = 9.8t - 7.7t = 2.1t
AH64 = 8t - 5.2t = 2.8t
1 crew cannot do the job as well as 2. flying & shooting puts more stress on crew & drops performance & accuracy.
How is the cannon more accurate? It can shoot further but it's almost fixed so you have to point the whole helicopter. Still needs decent optics/NVG A sniper rifle is accurate but without a scope can't make use of it.
witchdrs 1 year ago
@witchdrs 2 crew members need to be able to operate as one,while the Ka-50 has only 1 user,which can do what he has to do without having to tell the pilot "go here,go there,etc etc".As for the performance and accuracy decrease,I don't think that's really a good point.If it was,many companies should have considered making 2 seated fighters/ground attack aircraft long ago..It is true that gunships such as the AC-130 need like 5 people,but planes like the A-10 seem to be very good,even with 1 pilot
gtamodman122 1 year ago
@witchdrs Oh and I forgot to ask you what you mean by saying that it needs decent optics.The Shkval targeting system and the Shkval-N (Nochvoy=Night combat version) seem to be pretty satisfying
gtamodman122 1 year ago
@gtamodman122
That's my point. The KA-50 never got the chance to prove itself. It probably would have been a great helicopter with development. but we'll never know. The AH64 is proven. Talking about the KA-50 being more reliable & survivable is silly as it can't be compared.
Without a good optic's package & range finder how is it going to calculate elevation to calculate trajectory loss? It's then limited to battle sights or walking/leading bullets to target.
witchdrs 1 year ago
@gtamodman122
For decent optics, the Shkval targetting system is a good start.
So take a KA50. add targetting systems, night capability, radar, a weapons officer to split the workload, armour around a bigger crew cabin. That's a LOT of weight added which kills performance.
The KA52 was the 2 seater version & the performance was poor. The Mi28 was better.
An attack helicopter needs all these to perform well on the modern battlefield & the Mi28 has all these things.
So Russia ordered Mi28.
witchdrs 1 year ago