I would like to see the 2005-2006/2007 Kobe, go up against the 1990-1991-1992/1996 Jordan...THAT would exciting cuz both players were at their primes at those points
seriously... look at all the countless clutch shots hits in this game... what a true testament of how great he is... he did this on a nightly basis especially when he had a horrible team.
no one in the league through Kobes era can put up numbers like these and shoot like this... Honestly no guard in the history of the game other than MJ can shoot like this... Kobe on countless occasions has had 20 point quarters... even 30 point quarters... several 50 point games some 60's and even an 81 point game... When he had a soft team he totally put the team on his back scoring 8-9 points in a row at times because his team was so horrible. People saying lebron is better then Kobe is sad
Who said otherwise? That's not what I said or implied.
My argument is that he's not what his fans are ALWAYS trying to make him out to be when "compared" to MJ. This is a comparison, and in them, somebody's gonna come up short....in this case, it's kobe.
@blackadam06 he is the closest thing we've ever seen to mj... Whats wrong with that??? MJ changed the game and Kobe is the only player we have seen able to perform like MJ.. Of course mj is better.
"We did that (scoring) when you could hand check and [aggressively defend]. I just couldn't imagine what I'd be able to do [today] if you [couldn't touch me]. As far as guys like kobe, melo, lebron and wade, with the [old] rules they could be [slowed down], but with these [new rules] you have [no chance]."
-- Dominique Wilkins; The Starting Five: "Nique was more than just a highlight" April 20, 2010
Are guys "more athletic" today? Not really...just playing under EASIER rules.
@blackadam06 have you seen the shots he takes? I'm pretty sure no matter what rules you make be it hand check/ no hand check etc...a midrange shot's going down regardless. You think the hand check rule will make the defender better at midrange defense? Son, you got some basketball fundamentals to learn. It ain't as easy as you make it sound to score. FYI, players today are more athletic and a lot bigger in size than players in past. Do me a favor...stop being a sheep to what other people say.
"Our rules are [focused] on [keeping] the middle [open] to offer [more opportunities] for players to [cut & penetrate] to the basket. When we [disallowed] the use of the [hand] & [forearm] to the [body], the [defensive 3-second rule] in [conjunction] with the [hand check] interpretation, [gave] offensive players on the [perimeter], [more] offensive [freedom]."
-- Stu Jackson; NBA Exec. VP of Operations; "Season Review with Stu Jackson", May 5, 2007
"players today are more athletic and a lot bigger in size than players in past"
SMH..god U dumb ass kids today are so CLUELESS
1986-90
avg height = 6'8.72 -- avg weight = 220.46 lbs
1992-00
avg height = 6'6.20 -- avg weight = 212.67 lbs
2003-10
avg height = 6'5.48 -- avg weight = 210.00 lbs
FACT: this is currently the SMALLEST & LIGHTEST yrs on file since the 70's due to teams drafting more wing players to capitalize on the new rules that FAVORS them.
And your claims of today's players being "more athletic" are EQUALLY as DUMB.
U idiots act like some x-men type of mutation in athleticism took place in Y2K, that caused the difference in athleticism in today guys vs the 90s, to radically change SO MUCH that it's now to the point of disjuncture, when it CLEARLY hasn't.
There's NOT 1 so called athletic freak from today that I can't name AT LEAST 2 from MJ's era that EASILY bests or matches them in athleticism..
82games . com exposed that MYTH several years ago, about how U dumb kobe homers cling to this ridiculous notion that he scores the "majority" of his pts on jumpers..
U kobe homers are ALWAYS trying to assess a player's offensive talents by what they've done in 1 or a "few" games, but NEVER judge them by what they CONSISTENTLY per season, like any other sane, rational, logical, intelligent & normal fan does.
NEWSFLASH: a 50 pt half & 81 pts IS NOT indicative of what he consistently does U idiot!
And BTW, there's SEVERAL guards that have had 30 pt qtrs, like: MJ. Vernon Maxwell & Gervin to name a few.
@blackadam06 you fuckin kidding me? lebron james? dwight howard? stop being so fuckin close minded you fool and look at what the players are doing today versus the past. I've been watching nba hardwood classics being played on nbatv this summer and I've not seen much offered by these "greats" of the past. I bet you haven't even seen a single dam game of the classics have you? Don't lie and say you have just cause you've seen some highlights.
1999-10 (this era), only 11 different guys have avg'd:
27-28ppg 8 times
28-29ppg 11 times
30+ppg 9 times (5 different guys..4 by A.I. alone)
So genius, which is better?
If U have any kinda common sense at all (and that's a stretch), it's CLEARLY 27-28ppg.
Since U say you've "[not seen] much offered by these "greats" of the past", here you've have "15" DIFFERENT guys who avg'd 27ppg or more, 36 times during MJ's era, so why can't U SHOW ME something like that from today?
Yeah...keep being the typical idiot kid who says that because he KNOWS he doesn't have a FACTUAL response to disprove it.
U mention D-Howard & LBJ, so what!!
U just reveal how much of an idiot (or young..maybe both) U are, because U OBVIOUSLY didn't see a PRIME Dominique Wilkins, Shaq, Shawn Kemp or guys of their ilk..
U dumb kids today have the ULTIMATE "prisoner of the moment" mentality. U think everything "now" is unique, and hasn't ever been seen B4.
"there weren't a lot of 6'6, 6'7 players with 46 inch verticals in Mike's prime"
There aren't many of 'em now, so what's your point?
U say Joe D and G.P. "aren't overly athletic" like Trevor Ariza or Shawn Marion"?
What the hell would U call guys like Stacey Augmon, Michael Finley, Sean Elliott, Ron Harper; Clyde Drexler, Sprewell, Allan Houston, Kendal Gill, Nick Anderson, J.R. Rider, Michael Cooper, Laphonso Ellis etc.?
So what's Andre Iguodala, Rudy Gay, Trevor Ariza, Gerald Wallace, Corey Brewer, Shane Battier, Brandon Roy, Jeff Green, Tayshaun Prince, and others? Most of those guys are athletic highflyers that can challenge shots and possess verticals of 42 inches or higher.
Most of those guys(Finley, Augmon, Sprewell, Houston, Rider) weren't in Mike's prime.
SEAN ELLIOTT??!!! ALLAN HOUSTON???!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Get serious!
So at 6'7, he's able to gets up THAT HIGH, but isn't athletic or can challenge shots?!! You're trying to imply that guys like J.R. Rider (who WON the dunk contest) and Sprewell weren't athletic or high flyers?!!
GTFOH!!
And U wanna laugh at Allan Houston, but what's the difference between him or a Ray Allen? Allan Houston also busted kobe's ass for 50+ pts while guarding him!
U kids today are the ULTIMATE prisoners of the moment. It's like U morons think that big, athletic players didn't exist until MJ retired & kobe arrived...SMH
As far as athleticism, For EVERY Trevor Ariza, Rudy Gay, Gerald Wallace, Jeff Green, Tayshun Prince, Brandon Roy of today, there was a Clyde Drexler, Steve Smith, Glenn Rice, Nick Anderson, Laphonso Ellis, a PRIME Grant Hill & Penny Hardaway, Derrick McKey etc., that could EASILY match or best ANY of 'em in athleticism!!
@blackadam06 Let's not get it twisted. It's not that the players now are better than the players from yesteryear. It's just they're more athletic and just a little more skilled.
Ray Allen was better than Allan Houston. Better shooter, better scorer. He doesn't show it at Boston, but he was a top 5 scorer at Seattle. watch?v=2Pg5udqMUto&feature=fvsr
That's not a fair comparison. Dominique was a better scorer but Iguodala's better all around. I can't say who's the better athlete.
You say Steve Smith, I say Joe Johnson. You say Allan Houston, I say Kevin Martin. You say Tim Hardaway, I say Monta Ellis. All of the former are better than the latter, but the latter 3 are just as good. And probably better athletically. Athletic players have been around since the 60's and 70's. The point i'm tryintg to make is that they REALLY started showing up in the 2000's.
"The [new rules] definitely [changed] the game. If we could hand check [now], the game would be [totally different]. If they [couldn't] hand check back in the day, there's some guys that would've been [even better] than they [were]. It would've been [nuts] for the [big-time perimeter players] from the 80s & 90s. Can you imagine what [Jordan] would've done in a league where you [couldn't] hand check?"
-- Joe Johnson; "NBA's new rule paves way for two steps", Oct 23, 2009
No..the new rules ALLOW for more showcasing of athleticism than in years past.
"The [elimination] of the [hand check] has been a [boon to scoring], especially to players such as [Bryant]. Since defenders [aren't allowed] to [impede his progress], opponents have [often] found themselves at [his mercy].."
-- Steve Kerr: "Next up, 100? Strategies, rule changes make it a possibility"; by David DuPree, USA TODAY, Jan 24, 2006
@blackadam06 Don't twist my words. I never said Latrell Sprewell wasn't athletic. JR Rider is just as athletic as Sprewell. Some of the guys you said aren't athletic enough to pose a threat to Mike. When did you ever see Steve Smith, Glen Rice, or Allan Houston put anyone on a poster on a consistent basis or just fly by anyone?
@blackadam06 He's the best offensive player of the past 10 years. He's had 10 of his 15 years where he's averaged 25+ points a game, 82 30+ point playoff games, and 8 years where he's averaged 25+ a game in the playoffs. Some of the folks that have better records than him succeeded in an era where the game wasn't as developed and understood as it is now, a la Wilt Chamberlain, Jerry West, Oscar Robertson.
"Our rules are [focused] on [keeping] the middle [open] to offer [more opportunities] for players to [cut & penetrate] to the basket. When we [disallowed] the use of the [hand & forearm] to the [body], the [defensive 3-second rule] in conjunction with the [hand check] interpretation, [gave] offensive players on the [perimeter], [more] offensive [freedom]."
-- Stu Jackson; NBA Exec. VP of Operations; "Season Review with Stu Jackson", May 5, 2007
Like all kobe's fans on here, your comment makes 0 sense, especially since this is a era where the rules are DESIGNED to FAVOR guys like him, yet he STILL can't consistently lead the league in scoring; avg 30ppg; or shoot over 46% 1 season.
And given the fact that he consistently has the HIGHEST usage rate, meaning he has the ball in his hands MORE than anyone else in the NBA, on top of consistently being in the Top 3 EVERY YEAR in total missed shots, U REALLY sound stupid LOL!!
@blackadam06 As I mentioned earlier, there weren't a lot of 6'6, 6'7 players with 46 inch verticals in Mike's prime. Jordan said the toughest defenders he ever faced were Joe Dumars (6'3) and Gary Payton(6'3), 2 guards that are very skilled but aren't overly athletic like a Trevor Ariza or a Shawn Marion, some of Kobe's "tougher matchups".
@blackadam06 Allen Iverson, Vince Carter and Dwyane Wade(2 of whom have won scoring titles) had higher usage ratings and lower career field goal percentages than Kobe. But they're better scorers, though? Please!!! Haha.
@blackadam06 Please, just because hand checking was taken away doesn't mean there was suddenly a DRAMATIC improvement in scoring. The Lakers from the '80s had 5 years where they averaged 115 points a game or more. Compare that to the Phoenix Suns from 2005 to the present, who never even cracked 110 a game. And they're the prototypical "run and gun" team. Like I said, this era is more developed athletically and structurally.
There were ONLY 3 wing players B4 the rules changed that avg'd at least 23ppg, but AFTER the change, that # JUMPED to 11 and there was a 23% INCREASE in scoring and 4% INCREASE in FG% amongst the Top scorers in the league.
Steve Nash played his 1st 8 yrs under the old rules and not 1 season did he ever avg more than 9ppg, make 1st or 2nd Team All NBA or shot 50%. IMMEDIATELY after the change, his scoring INCREASES, wins 2 MVPs & has shot 50% EVERY SEASON since!!
Do U REALLY think this is just a damn coincidence?!!
6'1 Tony Parker has led the NBA in pts scored in the paint TWICE!!
Deny..deny..deny...that's all U kobe homers do!
You fools have made an ART FORM out of denial...SMH
"It’s [definitely] a [perimeter player’s] league [now]. That’s [not good] for me, but the league wanted [more scoring]."
-- Tim Duncan: "Since hand-check rule change, NBA has become a perimeter player’s league"; by Mike Baldwin, staff writer for the Oklahoman, Mar 10, 2010
I mean damn dude, how much MORE EVIDENCE do U silly ass, ignorant kobe homers NEED B4 U start realize just what has happened to the NBA?
The rules FAVOR perimeter scoring now...that's obvious!
@blackadam06 Oh my GOD. It's BEEN a perimiter player's league. Dominique Wilkins, Larry Bird, Karl Malone, and Bernard King had multiple seasons where they averaged 30 a game in the "handcheck" era. And you're saying it JUST became a scorer's league. COME ON.
"If you are [athletic] and can put the ball [on the floor], the new rules [benefit you]. It's that simple, and [no one] takes [more advantage] of that than [Kobe]."
-- Dr. Jack Ramsay: "Next up, 100? Strategies, rule changes make it a possibility"; by David DuPree, USA TODAY, Jan 24, 2006
@blackadam06 Steve Nash averaged double digits before the rule change in 2001-02, so that point is moot.
I'm not disputing that the rules have changed to adjust scoring. I'm just saying they were scoring about as much then as they are now. Even the best run and gun team now, the Phoenix Suns, couldn't average over 115 a game like the Lakers or the Nuggets of the mid '80s-early '90s.
@blackadam06 What? Every year until the rule change in 2001-02, there's been at least 4 wing players that have averaged 22 points a game or more a year.
99-00 for example: Allen Iverson(28.4), Grant Hill(25.8), Vince Carter(25.8), Gary Payton(24.2), Michael Finley(23.6).
"Referees have been [ordered] to [emphasize] what often is called ["the no-touching rule"] on the [perimeter], as the league continues its battle to [keep scoring up] and focus on [perimeter contact] as [never] before."
-- Ira Winderman: "Look, no hands! The NBA's no-touching police are patrolling the perimeter, with offensive results" April 14, 2006
If the NBA today is SO MUCH more advanced & "developed" as U claim, there'd be NO NEED to make such DRASTIC & radical changes to its rules, in order to achieve the levels of success its predecessors had.
No league makes its game EASIER for guys who are allegedly "better", UNLESS they see that its product ISN'T as good as its been in years past, and we all know it!
That's WHY ALL of the NBA's best reg season, playoffs & finals ratings EVER, are ALL from the mid 80s-90s..
Prime Kobe 2004-2007 basically played with a bunch of scrubs and wasted 4 years of dominant. He wasted away those good years where he average 30 ppg a game and had multiple streaks of 40, 50 point games. Had Shaq stay with Kobe. They would have won more than just 3 rings. And Kobe would have had at least 7 or 8 rings by now
@gryd999 if you're referring to the commentator, that's Steve Kerr saying that. Kerr played and won championships with Michael Jordan, so who are you to say any different?
Its crazy how these jordan fanatics stay putting kobe's name in there mouth either on a kobe video or a jordan video.They can't stand the fact that somebody else is also great at the GAME.When kobe retires Jordan STANS gonna start hating on Lebron,Durant,Melo and D-Wade watch.Right now kobe's the only guy they can hate on now because he's the only one at this point who can challenge jordan in RINGS and SKILL.When those other guys start to win there gonna come for them WATCH.
@blackadam06 Yo you are a HATER if you love jordan so much why are u on kobe videos?Jordan and kobe are two players from to diferent ERA's and in different situations.When jordan was drafted he was handed the keys to score as much as he wanted because they had nobody else to go to,Kobe on the other hand had to work his way to the top on his own team let alone the league.Thats why i kobe's the best nothing wasn't handed to him he earned it.So get a new hobby and stop living in the past its over
Who was it that went to READY MADE Title Team from Day 1, and after wards, was "handed" a team after Phil & Shaq left to INDEED: "score as much as he wanted because they had nobody else to go to"?
I could've sworn that applies to kobe, not MJ..
U really should put more intelligent thought into these dumb ass comments B4 posting them. U just make yourself look like the idiot that we all know U are.
@blackadam06 Listen you clown ass nigga no matter what you say kobe is great HATE it or LOVE IT.You know exactly what the fuck i'm talking about when i said kobe earned it and if you don't know do your research DICKHEAD!!!!!!!!!.BTW stop tryna get tough over the internet because i don't have a problem fucking u up thats if u feeling tough CLOWN!!!!!!!!!!!.If you love jordan so much go watch his fucking videos and get off of kobe's dick BITCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! JORDAN don't play NO MORE!!!!!!!!
@ebags18 just ignore that clown blackadam06. I had a few back and forth conversation with him too. He always goes into Kobe videos on youtube and bring in the bullshit Jordan argument to start shit.
@Kenny1984 I been done with that HATER i can't argue with someone who's clearly bias.Isee arguing with a couple of clowns yourself lol it seems to me jordan fans feel threatened by kobe.
@ebags18 Haha he's a Kobe hater for real. I exposed him though. His stats on Kobe were inaccurate and some of the stats were pulled out of his ass. The Jordans fanatics are def threatened by Kobe greatness
@Kenny1984 : " I exposed him though. His stats on kobe were inaccurate"......i know you're not talking about me or blackadam06
"threatened by Kobe greatness"?........he FAILED you guys..he let you down, jordan = 3 peat twice, kobe = 3peat never...even if he did 3 peat he still wouldn't be any where near jordan, but now it looks even worse.
@imsljr420 LOL do you even watch basketball those years ? Kobe play a crucial part to those championships. He had huge games against Portland, Kings and Spurs, Philly . If it wasn't for Kobe. Shaq won't even sniff 3 rings. Kobe bailed out Shaq and the Lakers several times when they were down against Indiana and Spurs too
@Kenny1984 : against portland, are you talking about 2000 their 1st championship run where they went to game 7?...it was kobe's fault they went 7 games lakers could've won it in 5 but thanks to kobe they lost game 5 & 6....( he did great in gm 7 though)...shaq would've 3 peat with allen, miller, iverson, t-mac, or any other perimeter star...during that time name me a superstar player that kobe could've teamed up with & 3peat but kobe has to be better than this player so no KG or duncan.
@imsljr420 You don't know for sure that Shaq would have 3-peated with any of those guys. Kobe was excellent on BOTH ends of the court, he was athletic and he was clutch.
Kobe's career shits on all those guys you mentioned and he went on to do things they couldn't even dream of.
@peterdabest94 : ok well maybe not 3-peat but he would've won at least 1 or 2 with another perimeter all-star player, especially the 1st where kobe shot 36%......kobe's career is only better than iverson or miller because he's had better help than them & miller had to go up against jordan & the Bulls when they dominated the league.....BTW ask your leader KB42PAH to unblock me, i guess he got tired of me always talking shit about his hero kobe so he blocked me lol.
@peterdabest94 : pau gasol will be a HOFer.....was pippen consider a HOF player in 92 after Bulls only had 2 championships?...gasol & bynum are 2 giants that protect the basket making it hard for players to get lay ups or high percentage shots & they can also rebound kobe's bricks (which he puts up a lot)...he also had a DPOY winner ron artest with him...not to mention the 6th man & phil jackson.
@imsljr420 Gasol will not be a Hall of Famer. Lamar sucked in the 2011 playoffs, Lakers had no bench help whatsoever. Ron Artest was DPOY in his prime, he is not in his prime anymore. Kobe's supporting cast was very weak and overrated at times. He had help but he had no Hall of Fame help with him like Jordan had with Pippen in ALL his 6 championships. He also had Rodman, another Hall of Famer. Not to mention, when Jordan left, Bulls won 55 games without him!
@peterdabest94 : back in 1992 was anyone considering pippen a Hall of Famer?....lakers can also win 55 or more without kobe as well, were the Bulls only supposed to win 10 games just because jordan was gone?....they had a playoff team & a great coach.
@imsljr420 ''NOPE...that was shaq's 3 peat not kobe's...you have to be team captain for it to count'' Possible the dumbest thing i've heard in sport.
@imsljr420 So I guess The 5 Kareem won wit LA don't count because Magic was the Captain huh?
I guess we forgetting How Shaq couldnt win wit Penny huh? I guess we forgetting how Jordan didn;t win until Pippen joined? seems like someone has selective memory........last but not least if you hate kobe so much Why tha fuck you watching his videos? If you really hated somebody you wouldnt give them attention.
@AndreRedd1Empire : no kareem's do count plus he got finals MVP unlike kobe & in 80 even though magic got finals MVP that should've gone to kareem (according to many laker fans)....shaq & penny only played 3 season & were coached by a bum named brian hill not a phil jackson. plus had to go up against the Bulls who dominated that decade....who was team captain & won finals MVP jordan or pippen?
@Kenny1984 haha dude, I've had many back and forths with that blackadamn bitch. Since fucking 2009! Can you believe the hate from this guy? Dude is on Jordan's dick harder than anyone I've ever seen! Even worse than Jordan's own gf!
@locd2death lol same here. He follow me around try to shoot me with his wack stats that were pull from his ass. Dude even have a youtube channel and profile dedicated to protect Jordan and will argue against anyone if they talk about JOrdan
"Dude even have a youtube channel and profile dedicated to protect Jordan"
Well where is it?
Anyone who looks at my profile can CLEARLY see that isn't true..
Like all stupid ass kids, U just make up shit as U go along and hope others are like U: too stupid (and childish) to look up things themselves, and will accept that wack ass comment on face value..
@blackadam06 Dude i went to your profile before. On your profile it said your mission is to debunk today sport fans if they ever compare today players to past players etc. Look like you just edit your profile lol too. You know what you wrote.
@blackadam06 Shit homeboy, we wouldn't be talking about that if you weren't doing it!! Get ya fucking self together. You the only fag here. Jordan's Jordan.. but dayum, quit slapping yourself all over Jordan's cock. You ain't going nowhere with that.
Like I said, only homos constantly talk about 1 man sucking another's dick or ridin' his nuts...
Don't no real men talk like that, just U bitch boys & fags! These kinda homo-erotic references are said those who have those kinda' thoughts down in their subconscious to begin with...SMH
I bet U wear pink shirts & skinny jeans, and think that that shit is cool too huh? LOL!!
@blackadam06 ready made title my ass. if that was the case, they would have won the first year when Kobe was there or even the 2nd year but NO, it took them until 2000 to win a championship. Why you ask? Because thats when Kobe developed his game. How about the last 2 championships? No future Hall of Famers on that team except for Kobe himself. Nothing was handed to him. Kobe has worked for everything. Stop spitting out bullshit.
@peterdabest94 : no they won because phil jackson took over....if they kept eddie jones as a starter & kobe on the bench they would've won as long as phil was coaching them....shaq started dominating more once phil became the coach & that was the major difference not kobe.....well ok he did help...btw say hi to your leader pah for me....who loves kobe more you or pah?
Try going to 27 win lottery team that hadn't seen the playoffs since '81, and having to build that up from the ground, versus a 50+ win playoff team with All Stars on it already as a rookie, then talk to me about who's team is "ready made" vs who's isn't.
@blackadam06 Yeah and I'm sure having Smush Parker, Kwame Brown, Brian Cook, Chris Mihm, Luke Walton and all the other scrubs on the team was a blast for Kobe. I mean, where the fuck are these guys today? Nowhere to be seen. Kobe went from bottom to the top as well. He went from no playoffs to playoffs to finals and then championships.
@blackadam06 Ok so what he had 3 rings by then. Still, he started at the bottom when he had that shit team and ended up getting 2 more rings and maybe he'll get more, who knows....
@blackadam06 Kobe was coming up in that 3 peat while Shaq was in his prime and yet, Kobe was still a crucial part to their playoff success. Stats? How about around 26 ppg 6 rpg 5 apg for 3 post-seasons in his early 20's.
Gasol, a dominant big? During those 3 post-seasons where Lakers went to the Finals, Kobe averaged 30 ppg 5.5 rpg 5.5 apg during the ENTIRE playoffs for 3 years straight and also became the only player in NBA HISTORY to score over 600+ points in 3 straight post-seasons.
"How about around 26ppg 6rpg 5apg for 3 post-seasons in his early 20's"
For starters, it's about 23ppg 5rpg 5apg during those 1st 3 title runs.
Secondly, U doubt Gasol's impact on LA?
Go check their record B4 & after him, and while you're at it, go check & see who LED 'em in Win Shares, which tracks from an individual standpoint, who won MORE games for them, and PER, not to mention, who led 'em in offensive rating vs Top 10 defenses.
U ALWAYS bring up his 600+ pts in 3 straight playoffs, but NEVER mention that the 1st rd of the playoffs was INCREASED from a best of 5, to a best of 7, which gives him MORE games to score. I mean damn, where's the perspective on that feat?!!
MJ's had playoff runs of:
759 pts in 22 games
666 pts in 19 games
680 pts in 21 games
Put a prime MJ under this format, he'd shatter that record LOL!!
@blackadam06 Lol what kind of mumbo jumbo is that? Kobe 30/5.5/5.5 in 3 straight post-seasons, 600+ points, closed out games for the Lakers, Finals MVP, thats what matters
They're called FACTS, something kobe homers have a BIG problem with when they're not in his favor.
"30/5.5/5.5"
Ok..MJ's career avg is better than that
And when it comes to "close out games", get real kid!
Since 2004, he's shot 34% in 8 elimination playoff games, so spare me..
For his CAREER in "elimination/close out games", he only avg's 21ppg 1apg on 36% shooting, and his team only has a 8-9 record, so GTFOH with that bullshit kid..SMH
@blackadam06 Yes and I gave you facts and stats as well. Lol way to bring MJ in to this. We weren't even talking about him. We were talking about Kobe and Pau. But its a typical response from someone like you. Kobe is 2nd all time in playoffs in 30 point games (behind MJ) so I'm sure some of those he has closed out games with a 30+ point effort.
"Kobe is 2nd all time in playoffs in 30 point games (behind MJ)"
SMH...U just don't (or refuse) to get it huh?
If we're talkin' about him in relation to MJ, U can't just bring 1 or a FEW game totals to the discussion, and think that's a valid argument.
You're talkin' about comparing a FEW playoff games of 30 pts on his part, to someone who avg'd 33ppg in the playoffs (34ppg in the finals) for his career!
@blackadam06 Where did you get 23 ppg from? The 3 post seasons in which the Lakers 3-peated, his avg's were 21.1, 29.4, 26.6 which averages out to 25.7 (I rounded it) and for rebounds it was 4.5, 7.3, 5.8 which averages out to 5.86 (I rounded it). Around 26/6/5 dude. Those are some goddamn decent numbers. I'm not sure about the averages but Kobe had more points in the 4th quarter than Shaq during that 3-peat as well. Shaq dominated the Finals but Kobe was during work throughout the entire po's.
"Shaq dominated the Finals but Kobe was during work throughout the entire po's"
SMH...kobe from 2000-04, avg'd MORE shots & mins per game than Shaq in the reg season, playoffs & finals, and still couldn't outscore him, so get outta here with that garbage..
Go check their missed shot totals in the span as well.
That'll REALLY tell U just how big of a JOKE your comment is...
@blackadam06 The team MJ "led" to the playoffs with a "garbage" team had a 30 win season, a 38 win season, and a 40 win season. Kobe with a "garbage" team had a 34 win season, a 45 win season, and a 42 win season. Kobe did more with less. Not to mention that if Jordan would have had those 1st 2 records in today's East, he wouldn't have made the playoffs.
"Not to mention that if Jordan would have had those 1st 2 records in today's East, he wouldn't have made the playoffs"
That's just more if's & coulda shoulda wouldas..spare me.
There were only 23 teams in the league at that time not 30 like today, so their record regarding playoff eligibility was a VALID one, so don't even try it.
U kids today kill me with ALWAYS trying to discredit something/someone that U know VERY LITTLE about..SMH
Kobe played 66 games in '05 & shot BELOW 41% in 25 of 'em, and that's with the new rules, which makes for MORE EASIER & efficient scoring for wing players. The next year ('06), he had 30 games with BELOW 41% shooting!
That's your MVP? LOL!!
Dirk was shooting 40+% from 3's while Kobe was ONLY shooting in the mid 40% with his ENTIRE shot selection LOL!! Nash was putting up double-doubles EVERY NIGHT & shooting 40+% in 3ptrs & 50% in 2ptrs, not to mention, their teams were BEATING kobe's LOL!!
No they're not. Even if U did, kobe's # 's are STILL inferior to MJ's, and if U removed MJ's Wizard yrs (which brought down his career # 's), it's EVEN MORE embarrassing LOL!!
MJ's career playoff PER is 28.6 and his BEST playoff PER for a season is a 32.0. Both are JAW DROPPING considering he's a guard! Kobe's career playoff PER is 22.4 with his BEST playoff PER for a season being 26.8.
MJ's CLEARLY more dominant!
His LOWEST playoff PER rating (24.8), is BETTER than 10 seasons of kobe's LOL!!
@blackadam06 lol maybe MJ shoould have had Per and Average of Kobe if that got him more rings? MJ more dominant yet he retired twice he walked away from Game, that will come back to hunt him, you say remove his wizards years yet you will not remove Bench years of Kobe when he was polishing his Game..lol you sore loser
you can not see game beyond numbers, you can not comprehend that different situations will produce different stats, but end result what matters..Kobe seems to have better result
Your post makes NO SENSE at all. MJ CONSISTENTLY put up better # 's than kobe with or without "help", and WON titles as the UNDISPUTED LEADER of his teams. It can be argued that kobe's been a GLORIFIED SIDEKICK in ALL 5 of his titles LOL!!
"you can not see game beyond numbers"
Sure I can. I use 'em to VALIDATE, not create my position on the matter. U like ALL kobe homers, use your opinions about kobe to do that, which is WHY your arguments consistently get CRUSHED & why U DESPISE stats so much
And for the record dumb ass, we can remove kobe's 1st 3 yrs & compare them up until age 31 (which is how old he currently is) and MJ still BLOWS HIM AWAY LOL!!
It's not even a contest!!
And what's really sad is that kobe has the ADVANTAGE of currently playing in a era where the perimeter defensive rules FAVOR guys like him, and he STILL can't consistently put up better # 's than MJ LOL!!
Kobe went to a title ready team from jump, MJ went to a lottery team & helped BUILD them into champions..
You really think Kobe is out there to put up better numbers than MJ? He just led the Lakers to back 2 back titles...that not enough for you? If he wanted to score more, rebound more, pass more, he would...But he's not out there to get better stats then MJ, he's out there to win titles and that's exactly what he's doing. Even MJ said this was the Kobe Era and he would love to play against him prime VS prime. MJ was the greatest of his time, arguably the greatest ever, but Kobe is right there too.
"You really think Kobe is out there to put up better numbers than MJ?"
No, but the point is he consistently DOESN'T & in this comparison, that's the point I was making.
"If he wanted to score more.."
Stop..
U kobe fans are ALWAYS trying to state as fact, what U "think" he could do, but consistently NEVER has. The NBA changed the rules 1 year AFTER Shaq left, leaving him as "the man", yet he STILL never consistently avg'd more ppg than MJ in ANY of those seasons, so U can keep that B.S LOL!!
Jordan Came In Chicago Almost Like Jesus-Christ, Kobe Came in L.A. As a Skinny Kid Fresh Outta High School......Jordan Had The Green Light For EVERY Plays, Kobe Had To Fight 'n Battle To EARN a Lil Bit Of Respect Comin From His Teamates.......Jordan is The Most Adulated Player Ever, Kobe is The Most Hated Player Ever....... In Spite Of All These Handicaps Kobe is The Greatest By HIMSELF
No he didn't, he came in under coach Loghery, he didn't even expect much from him. The damn video of him literally saying that is right here on YouTube..U don't know WTF you're talkin' about..
"Jordan is The Most Adulated Player Ever"
Because he EARNED it on the court..
"Kobe is The Most Hated Player Ever"
Hey why don't U go read pg 94 of Phil Jackson's book titled: "The Last Season: A Team In Search Of Its Soul", to see WHY that's so LOL!!
@WeStSiDeBL00DZ1 This was the yr we traded Peja for Artest we made the playoffs and took the Spurs to 6 games had it not been for Brent Barry's 3 we could of pulled off the upsett. What did we do we cut Addlemen loose that was our last season we made the playoffs. Kobe played an unbelievable game as he does most of the time.
Kobe's more badass than Lebron. He beat the CRAP out of out of some dude yesterday night in NYC after he called him a nigger , the guy was demolished. TMZ posted the video at tmzfight
why in the fuck did odom take the last shot.. im still pissed off
badazz509 5 months ago 4
whats that poll at 1:04
daveminhas 6 months ago
why does most of the games kobe does 40-50 points the Lakers still lose?
lakersalltheway2011 6 months ago
@lakersalltheway2011 because even with kobe the lakers were still barely a winning team. they were that bad.
dontmissabeat 6 months ago
@lakersalltheway2011 Cause they had only Kobe scoring 75% of the time.
PasterOfMuppets7410 5 months ago
I would like to see the 2005-2006/2007 Kobe, go up against the 1990-1991-1992/1996 Jordan...THAT would exciting cuz both players were at their primes at those points
Rahulrocks1569 7 months ago
seriously... look at all the countless clutch shots hits in this game... what a true testament of how great he is... he did this on a nightly basis especially when he had a horrible team.
Power2People59 7 months ago
no one in the league through Kobes era can put up numbers like these and shoot like this... Honestly no guard in the history of the game other than MJ can shoot like this... Kobe on countless occasions has had 20 point quarters... even 30 point quarters... several 50 point games some 60's and even an 81 point game... When he had a soft team he totally put the team on his back scoring 8-9 points in a row at times because his team was so horrible. People saying lebron is better then Kobe is sad
Power2People59 7 months ago
@Power2People59
"Honestly no guard in the history of the game other than MJ can shoot like this"
Comments like that only expose your ignorance & immaturity...
U kids today are SO ignorant that's it's laughable at times...SMH
blackadam06 7 months ago
Dumbass.. Keep on being a lebron fan watching Kobe videos.
Power2People59 7 months ago
@Power2People59
I'm a fan of the "game" 1st & foremost..
Why don't U keep being the TYPICAL dumb ass kobe homer who doesn't know anything about anyone not named kobe..
blackadam06 7 months ago
@blackadam06 i watch everything... study the game... and see easily that kobe and mj are two of the best guards in the history of the game.
Power2People59 7 months ago
@Power2People59
Who said otherwise? That's not what I said or implied.
My argument is that he's not what his fans are ALWAYS trying to make him out to be when "compared" to MJ. This is a comparison, and in them, somebody's gonna come up short....in this case, it's kobe.
Sorry, it is what it is....deal wit the facts..
blackadam06 7 months ago
@blackadam06 he is the closest thing we've ever seen to mj... Whats wrong with that??? MJ changed the game and Kobe is the only player we have seen able to perform like MJ.. Of course mj is better.
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@Power2People59
"he is the closest thing we've ever seen to mj... Whats wrong with that?"
Nothing....
"Kobe is the only player we have seen able to perform like MJ"
Only "style wise", not in consistently great substance from an individual standpoint..
blackadam06 7 months ago
@Power2People59 Like i told the other dude don't argue with that guy he always on kobe videos hatin he's a hater don't pay him no mind
ebags18 7 months ago
@blackadam06 name a guard who averaged 27-29ppg and the majority of those points coming from jump shots.. Don't worry I'll wait.
Power2People59 7 months ago
miller for the tie!!! OOOOOOOOOHHH!!!! Kings won :) hehe. That is a very tainted 51. And a very tainted 02' title
zakeness 7 months ago
@clutchcity25
"We did that (scoring) when you could hand check and [aggressively defend]. I just couldn't imagine what I'd be able to do [today] if you [couldn't touch me]. As far as guys like kobe, melo, lebron and wade, with the [old] rules they could be [slowed down], but with these [new rules] you have [no chance]."
-- Dominique Wilkins; The Starting Five: "Nique was more than just a highlight" April 20, 2010
Are guys "more athletic" today? Not really...just playing under EASIER rules.
blackadam06 7 months ago
@blackadam06 have you seen the shots he takes? I'm pretty sure no matter what rules you make be it hand check/ no hand check etc...a midrange shot's going down regardless. You think the hand check rule will make the defender better at midrange defense? Son, you got some basketball fundamentals to learn. It ain't as easy as you make it sound to score. FYI, players today are more athletic and a lot bigger in size than players in past. Do me a favor...stop being a sheep to what other people say.
themantien 7 months ago
@themantien
"Our rules are [focused] on [keeping] the middle [open] to offer [more opportunities] for players to [cut & penetrate] to the basket. When we [disallowed] the use of the [hand] & [forearm] to the [body], the [defensive 3-second rule] in [conjunction] with the [hand check] interpretation, [gave] offensive players on the [perimeter], [more] offensive [freedom]."
-- Stu Jackson; NBA Exec. VP of Operations; "Season Review with Stu Jackson", May 5, 2007
Guess he has a lot to learn too?
blackadam06 7 months ago
@themantien
"players today are more athletic and a lot bigger in size than players in past"
SMH..god U dumb ass kids today are so CLUELESS
1986-90
avg height = 6'8.72 -- avg weight = 220.46 lbs
1992-00
avg height = 6'6.20 -- avg weight = 212.67 lbs
2003-10
avg height = 6'5.48 -- avg weight = 210.00 lbs
FACT: this is currently the SMALLEST & LIGHTEST yrs on file since the 70's due to teams drafting more wing players to capitalize on the new rules that FAVORS them.
blackadam06 7 months ago
@themantien
And your claims of today's players being "more athletic" are EQUALLY as DUMB.
U idiots act like some x-men type of mutation in athleticism took place in Y2K, that caused the difference in athleticism in today guys vs the 90s, to radically change SO MUCH that it's now to the point of disjuncture, when it CLEARLY hasn't.
There's NOT 1 so called athletic freak from today that I can't name AT LEAST 2 from MJ's era that EASILY bests or matches them in athleticism..
blackadam06 7 months ago
@blackadam06 name a guard who averaged 27-29ppg and the majority of those points coming from jump shots.. Don't worry I'll wait.
Power2People59 7 months ago
@Power2People59
That's a lie..
82games . com exposed that MYTH several years ago, about how U dumb kobe homers cling to this ridiculous notion that he scores the "majority" of his pts on jumpers..
blackadam06 7 months ago
@blackadam06 name a guard who has had 50 point half's... 81 point games... 30 point quarters... You cant...
Power2People59 7 months ago
@Power2People59
U kobe homers are ALWAYS trying to assess a player's offensive talents by what they've done in 1 or a "few" games, but NEVER judge them by what they CONSISTENTLY per season, like any other sane, rational, logical, intelligent & normal fan does.
NEWSFLASH: a 50 pt half & 81 pts IS NOT indicative of what he consistently does U idiot!
And BTW, there's SEVERAL guards that have had 30 pt qtrs, like: MJ. Vernon Maxwell & Gervin to name a few.
U idiot kobe homers are utter morons..SMH
blackadam06 7 months ago
@blackadam06 you fuckin kidding me? lebron james? dwight howard? stop being so fuckin close minded you fool and look at what the players are doing today versus the past. I've been watching nba hardwood classics being played on nbatv this summer and I've not seen much offered by these "greats" of the past. I bet you haven't even seen a single dam game of the classics have you? Don't lie and say you have just cause you've seen some highlights.
themantien 7 months ago
@themantien
SMH..typical dumb ass kid response..
Hardwood classics? LOL!!!
I've been watching the game longer than you've been alive probably..
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@themantien
Total # of guys avg'n 27+ppg per era
MJ's era = 15 > Kobe's = 11
Total # of times 27+ppg was avg'd per era
MJ's era = 36 times > kobe's 28
1984-98,15 different guys avg'd:
27ppg or better 13 times
28-29ppg 19 times
30+ ppg 4 times (3 different guys)
blackadam06 7 months ago
@themantien
1999-10 (this era), only 11 different guys have avg'd:
27-28ppg 8 times
28-29ppg 11 times
30+ppg 9 times (5 different guys..4 by A.I. alone)
So genius, which is better?
If U have any kinda common sense at all (and that's a stretch), it's CLEARLY 27-28ppg.
Since U say you've "[not seen] much offered by these "greats" of the past", here you've have "15" DIFFERENT guys who avg'd 27ppg or more, 36 times during MJ's era, so why can't U SHOW ME something like that from today?
blackadam06 7 months ago
@themantien Hey don't argue with that guy he's a hater he always on kobe videos hatin and looking for victims to argue with.So pay that clown no mind
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@blackadam06 yeah...keep quoting what other people say you sheep.
themantien 7 months ago
@themantien
Yeah...keep being the typical idiot kid who says that because he KNOWS he doesn't have a FACTUAL response to disprove it.
U mention D-Howard & LBJ, so what!!
U just reveal how much of an idiot (or young..maybe both) U are, because U OBVIOUSLY didn't see a PRIME Dominique Wilkins, Shaq, Shawn Kemp or guys of their ilk..
U dumb kids today have the ULTIMATE "prisoner of the moment" mentality. U think everything "now" is unique, and hasn't ever been seen B4.
You're an idiot...
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blackadam06 7 months ago
@clutchcity25
"there weren't a lot of 6'6, 6'7 players with 46 inch verticals in Mike's prime"
There aren't many of 'em now, so what's your point?
U say Joe D and G.P. "aren't overly athletic" like Trevor Ariza or Shawn Marion"?
What the hell would U call guys like Stacey Augmon, Michael Finley, Sean Elliott, Ron Harper; Clyde Drexler, Sprewell, Allan Houston, Kendal Gill, Nick Anderson, J.R. Rider, Michael Cooper, Laphonso Ellis etc.?
WTF are U talkin' about?!!
clutchcity25 = utter moron
blackadam06 7 months ago
@blackadam06
So what's Andre Iguodala, Rudy Gay, Trevor Ariza, Gerald Wallace, Corey Brewer, Shane Battier, Brandon Roy, Jeff Green, Tayshaun Prince, and others? Most of those guys are athletic highflyers that can challenge shots and possess verticals of 42 inches or higher.
Most of those guys(Finley, Augmon, Sprewell, Houston, Rider) weren't in Mike's prime.
SEAN ELLIOTT??!!! ALLAN HOUSTON???!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Get serious!
And you say I'm a moron.
clutchcity25 7 months ago
@clutchcity25
The point is, those guys U named are NO MORE athletic than the one's I named, so get real...
"Most of those guys are athletic highflyers that can challenge shots and possess verticals of 42 inches or higher."
PROVE it...
Show me a link that lists their vertical that's been DOCUMENTED.
"Most of those guys(Finley, Augmon, Sprewell, Houston, Rider) weren't in Mike's prime"
For arguments sake, lets say that's true....if he wasn't & was past his prime, he STILL killed them!
blackadam06 7 months ago
@clutchcity25
/watch?v=ELrBX1lkN04 <--- Sean Elliot 0:06
So at 6'7, he's able to gets up THAT HIGH, but isn't athletic or can challenge shots?!! You're trying to imply that guys like J.R. Rider (who WON the dunk contest) and Sprewell weren't athletic or high flyers?!!
GTFOH!!
And U wanna laugh at Allan Houston, but what's the difference between him or a Ray Allen? Allan Houston also busted kobe's ass for 50+ pts while guarding him!
U say Andre Iguoldala, I say Dominique Wilkins!
blackadam06 7 months ago
@clutchcity25
U kids today are the ULTIMATE prisoners of the moment. It's like U morons think that big, athletic players didn't exist until MJ retired & kobe arrived...SMH
As far as athleticism, For EVERY Trevor Ariza, Rudy Gay, Gerald Wallace, Jeff Green, Tayshun Prince, Brandon Roy of today, there was a Clyde Drexler, Steve Smith, Glenn Rice, Nick Anderson, Laphonso Ellis, a PRIME Grant Hill & Penny Hardaway, Derrick McKey etc., that could EASILY match or best ANY of 'em in athleticism!!
blackadam06 7 months ago
@blackadam06 Let's not get it twisted. It's not that the players now are better than the players from yesteryear. It's just they're more athletic and just a little more skilled.
Ray Allen was better than Allan Houston. Better shooter, better scorer. He doesn't show it at Boston, but he was a top 5 scorer at Seattle. watch?v=2Pg5udqMUto&feature=fvsr
That's not a fair comparison. Dominique was a better scorer but Iguodala's better all around. I can't say who's the better athlete.
clutchcity25 7 months ago
@blackadam06
You say Steve Smith, I say Joe Johnson. You say Allan Houston, I say Kevin Martin. You say Tim Hardaway, I say Monta Ellis. All of the former are better than the latter, but the latter 3 are just as good. And probably better athletically. Athletic players have been around since the 60's and 70's. The point i'm tryintg to make is that they REALLY started showing up in the 2000's.
clutchcity25 7 months ago
@clutchcity25
"The [new rules] definitely [changed] the game. If we could hand check [now], the game would be [totally different]. If they [couldn't] hand check back in the day, there's some guys that would've been [even better] than they [were]. It would've been [nuts] for the [big-time perimeter players] from the 80s & 90s. Can you imagine what [Jordan] would've done in a league where you [couldn't] hand check?"
-- Joe Johnson; "NBA's new rule paves way for two steps", Oct 23, 2009
blackadam06 7 months ago
@clutchcity25
"they REALLY started showing up in the 2000's"
No..the new rules ALLOW for more showcasing of athleticism than in years past.
"The [elimination] of the [hand check] has been a [boon to scoring], especially to players such as [Bryant]. Since defenders [aren't allowed] to [impede his progress], opponents have [often] found themselves at [his mercy].."
-- Steve Kerr: "Next up, 100? Strategies, rule changes make it a possibility"; by David DuPree, USA TODAY, Jan 24, 2006
blackadam06 7 months ago
@blackadam06 Don't twist my words. I never said Latrell Sprewell wasn't athletic. JR Rider is just as athletic as Sprewell. Some of the guys you said aren't athletic enough to pose a threat to Mike. When did you ever see Steve Smith, Glen Rice, or Allan Houston put anyone on a poster on a consistent basis or just fly by anyone?
clutchcity25 7 months ago
God, this is the greatest offensive player that ever lived.
clutchcity25 7 months ago
@clutchcity25
So the "greatest offensive player that ever lived" in 15 seasons, STILL doesn't even rank Top 5 All Time in ppg?
That's EXACTLY what I meant when I said: "his fans tend to make ABSURD & ridiculous claims about him in relation to others".
And then U guys wonder why you're constantly getting called out...
blackadam06 7 months ago
@blackadam06 He's the best offensive player of the past 10 years. He's had 10 of his 15 years where he's averaged 25+ points a game, 82 30+ point playoff games, and 8 years where he's averaged 25+ a game in the playoffs. Some of the folks that have better records than him succeeded in an era where the game wasn't as developed and understood as it is now, a la Wilt Chamberlain, Jerry West, Oscar Robertson.
clutchcity25 7 months ago
@clutchcity25
"Our rules are [focused] on [keeping] the middle [open] to offer [more opportunities] for players to [cut & penetrate] to the basket. When we [disallowed] the use of the [hand & forearm] to the [body], the [defensive 3-second rule] in conjunction with the [hand check] interpretation, [gave] offensive players on the [perimeter], [more] offensive [freedom]."
-- Stu Jackson; NBA Exec. VP of Operations; "Season Review with Stu Jackson", May 5, 2007
This era's "more developed"? LOL!!
blackadam06 7 months ago
@clutchcity25
Like all kobe's fans on here, your comment makes 0 sense, especially since this is a era where the rules are DESIGNED to FAVOR guys like him, yet he STILL can't consistently lead the league in scoring; avg 30ppg; or shoot over 46% 1 season.
And given the fact that he consistently has the HIGHEST usage rate, meaning he has the ball in his hands MORE than anyone else in the NBA, on top of consistently being in the Top 3 EVERY YEAR in total missed shots, U REALLY sound stupid LOL!!
blackadam06 7 months ago
@blackadam06 As I mentioned earlier, there weren't a lot of 6'6, 6'7 players with 46 inch verticals in Mike's prime. Jordan said the toughest defenders he ever faced were Joe Dumars (6'3) and Gary Payton(6'3), 2 guards that are very skilled but aren't overly athletic like a Trevor Ariza or a Shawn Marion, some of Kobe's "tougher matchups".
clutchcity25 7 months ago
@blackadam06 Allen Iverson, Vince Carter and Dwyane Wade(2 of whom have won scoring titles) had higher usage ratings and lower career field goal percentages than Kobe. But they're better scorers, though? Please!!! Haha.
clutchcity25 7 months ago
@blackadam06 Please, just because hand checking was taken away doesn't mean there was suddenly a DRAMATIC improvement in scoring. The Lakers from the '80s had 5 years where they averaged 115 points a game or more. Compare that to the Phoenix Suns from 2005 to the present, who never even cracked 110 a game. And they're the prototypical "run and gun" team. Like I said, this era is more developed athletically and structurally.
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@clutchcity25
There were ONLY 3 wing players B4 the rules changed that avg'd at least 23ppg, but AFTER the change, that # JUMPED to 11 and there was a 23% INCREASE in scoring and 4% INCREASE in FG% amongst the Top scorers in the league.
Notice the spike in scoring after the change:
Tony Parker: 12ppg to 18ppg
Steve Nash: 9ppg to 19ppg
Gilbert Arenas: 18ppg to 26ppg (B4 his injury)
Ray Allen: 20ppg to 25ppg (B4 joining BOS)
Kobe, 24ppg (as a starter) to 29ppg
blackadam06 7 months ago
@clutchcity25
Steve Nash played his 1st 8 yrs under the old rules and not 1 season did he ever avg more than 9ppg, make 1st or 2nd Team All NBA or shot 50%. IMMEDIATELY after the change, his scoring INCREASES, wins 2 MVPs & has shot 50% EVERY SEASON since!!
Do U REALLY think this is just a damn coincidence?!!
6'1 Tony Parker has led the NBA in pts scored in the paint TWICE!!
Deny..deny..deny...that's all U kobe homers do!
You fools have made an ART FORM out of denial...SMH
blackadam06 7 months ago
@clutchcity25
"It’s [definitely] a [perimeter player’s] league [now]. That’s [not good] for me, but the league wanted [more scoring]."
-- Tim Duncan: "Since hand-check rule change, NBA has become a perimeter player’s league"; by Mike Baldwin, staff writer for the Oklahoman, Mar 10, 2010
I mean damn dude, how much MORE EVIDENCE do U silly ass, ignorant kobe homers NEED B4 U start realize just what has happened to the NBA?
The rules FAVOR perimeter scoring now...that's obvious!
blackadam06 7 months ago
@blackadam06 Oh my GOD. It's BEEN a perimiter player's league. Dominique Wilkins, Larry Bird, Karl Malone, and Bernard King had multiple seasons where they averaged 30 a game in the "handcheck" era. And you're saying it JUST became a scorer's league. COME ON.
clutchcity25 7 months ago
@clutchcity25
"It's BEEN a perimiter player's league"
SMH..wow...unbelievable
"If you are [athletic] and can put the ball [on the floor], the new rules [benefit you]. It's that simple, and [no one] takes [more advantage] of that than [Kobe]."
-- Dr. Jack Ramsay: "Next up, 100? Strategies, rule changes make it a possibility"; by David DuPree, USA TODAY, Jan 24, 2006
blackadam06 7 months ago
@blackadam06 Steve Nash averaged double digits before the rule change in 2001-02, so that point is moot.
I'm not disputing that the rules have changed to adjust scoring. I'm just saying they were scoring about as much then as they are now. Even the best run and gun team now, the Phoenix Suns, couldn't average over 115 a game like the Lakers or the Nuggets of the mid '80s-early '90s.
clutchcity25 7 months ago
@clutchcity25
"Steve Nash averaged double digits before the rule change in [2001-02]"
That's EXACTLY the year they started tweeking the rules, finally making them "official" in '05
blackadam06 7 months ago
@blackadam06 And he averaged 15 in 2000-01, the year BEFORE they started tweaking the rules.
clutchcity25 7 months ago
@blackadam06 What? Every year until the rule change in 2001-02, there's been at least 4 wing players that have averaged 22 points a game or more a year.
99-00 for example: Allen Iverson(28.4), Grant Hill(25.8), Vince Carter(25.8), Gary Payton(24.2), Michael Finley(23.6).
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@clutchcity25
"Referees have been [ordered] to [emphasize] what often is called ["the no-touching rule"] on the [perimeter], as the league continues its battle to [keep scoring up] and focus on [perimeter contact] as [never] before."
-- Ira Winderman: "Look, no hands! The NBA's no-touching police are patrolling the perimeter, with offensive results" April 14, 2006
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@clutchcity25
If the NBA today is SO MUCH more advanced & "developed" as U claim, there'd be NO NEED to make such DRASTIC & radical changes to its rules, in order to achieve the levels of success its predecessors had.
No league makes its game EASIER for guys who are allegedly "better", UNLESS they see that its product ISN'T as good as its been in years past, and we all know it!
That's WHY ALL of the NBA's best reg season, playoffs & finals ratings EVER, are ALL from the mid 80s-90s..
blackadam06 7 months ago
Prime Kobe 2004-2007 basically played with a bunch of scrubs and wasted 4 years of dominant. He wasted away those good years where he average 30 ppg a game and had multiple streaks of 40, 50 point games. Had Shaq stay with Kobe. They would have won more than just 3 rings. And Kobe would have had at least 7 or 8 rings by now
Kenny1984 7 months ago
MJ is the greatest ever but Kobe is right up there . Two best shooting guard to ever play the game. Kobe and MJ
Kenny1984 7 months ago
Man the Lakers have no one but Kobe and Lamar that year. They basically playing Kobe isolation on every play cuz his teammates were trash
Kenny1984 7 months ago
haha the bottom of the screen! 1. Kobe Bryant 2. Allen Iverson 3. Lebron James
sargefalconman 8 months ago
You got to be shitting me. He scores 51 and they still lose? Shows how bad that roster was.
kikeazul70 8 months ago
Absolute poetry in motion. I actually have this game on tape. I hate that the Lakers lost though.
TBryant20 8 months ago
I think the lakers need this Kobe tonight vs the Mavs game 3 is a MUST WIN
Gremlin212332 9 months ago
@ Rustaveli2k7 get off kobe's dick asshole
superhedgehog100 11 months ago
When one of LeBrons shots hits the rim it's a good thing
Indianbrkdncer 1 year ago
Kobe is my Favorite player of all time but PLEASE dont compare him to Jordan....Thats ridiculous
gryd999 1 year ago
@gryd999 if you're referring to the commentator, that's Steve Kerr saying that. Kerr played and won championships with Michael Jordan, so who are you to say any different?
DonCorleone87 8 months ago
Its crazy how these jordan fanatics stay putting kobe's name in there mouth either on a kobe video or a jordan video.They can't stand the fact that somebody else is also great at the GAME.When kobe retires Jordan STANS gonna start hating on Lebron,Durant,Melo and D-Wade watch.Right now kobe's the only guy they can hate on now because he's the only one at this point who can challenge jordan in RINGS and SKILL.When those other guys start to win there gonna come for them WATCH.
ebags18 1 year ago
Kobe's the best jordan is great to but i like kobe a little better though lol
ebags18 1 year ago
@ebags18
Then where's the consistently better individual on-court results to PROVE it?
Stil struggling to come up with plausible excuse huh?
I'll give ya some more time to think of one..
blackadam06 1 year ago
@blackadam06 Yo you are a HATER if you love jordan so much why are u on kobe videos?Jordan and kobe are two players from to diferent ERA's and in different situations.When jordan was drafted he was handed the keys to score as much as he wanted because they had nobody else to go to,Kobe on the other hand had to work his way to the top on his own team let alone the league.Thats why i kobe's the best nothing wasn't handed to him he earned it.So get a new hobby and stop living in the past its over
ebags18 1 year ago
"you are a HATER"
Yeah..of morons like yourself..
"nothing wasn't handed to him"
Oh really?
Who was it that went to READY MADE Title Team from Day 1, and after wards, was "handed" a team after Phil & Shaq left to INDEED: "score as much as he wanted because they had nobody else to go to"?
I could've sworn that applies to kobe, not MJ..
U really should put more intelligent thought into these dumb ass comments B4 posting them. U just make yourself look like the idiot that we all know U are.
blackadam06 1 year ago
@blackadam06 Listen you clown ass nigga no matter what you say kobe is great HATE it or LOVE IT.You know exactly what the fuck i'm talking about when i said kobe earned it and if you don't know do your research DICKHEAD!!!!!!!!!.BTW stop tryna get tough over the internet because i don't have a problem fucking u up thats if u feeling tough CLOWN!!!!!!!!!!!.If you love jordan so much go watch his fucking videos and get off of kobe's dick BITCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! JORDAN don't play NO MORE!!!!!!!!
ebags18 1 year ago
@ebags18 just ignore that clown blackadam06. I had a few back and forth conversation with him too. He always goes into Kobe videos on youtube and bring in the bullshit Jordan argument to start shit.
Kenny1984 7 months ago
@Kenny1984 I been done with that HATER i can't argue with someone who's clearly bias.Isee arguing with a couple of clowns yourself lol it seems to me jordan fans feel threatened by kobe.
ebags18 7 months ago
@ebags18 Haha he's a Kobe hater for real. I exposed him though. His stats on Kobe were inaccurate and some of the stats were pulled out of his ass. The Jordans fanatics are def threatened by Kobe greatness
Kenny1984 7 months ago
@Kenny1984 : " I exposed him though. His stats on kobe were inaccurate"......i know you're not talking about me or blackadam06
"threatened by Kobe greatness"?........he FAILED you guys..he let you down, jordan = 3 peat twice, kobe = 3peat never...even if he did 3 peat he still wouldn't be any where near jordan, but now it looks even worse.
imsljr420 7 months ago
@imsljr420 Kobe had a 3 peat . You just got owned by your own words
Kenny1984 7 months ago
@Kenny1984 : NOPE...that was shaq's 3 peat not kobe's...you have to be team captain for it to count
imsljr420 7 months ago
@imsljr420 LOL do you even watch basketball those years ? Kobe play a crucial part to those championships. He had huge games against Portland, Kings and Spurs, Philly . If it wasn't for Kobe. Shaq won't even sniff 3 rings. Kobe bailed out Shaq and the Lakers several times when they were down against Indiana and Spurs too
Kenny1984 7 months ago
@Kenny1984 : against portland, are you talking about 2000 their 1st championship run where they went to game 7?...it was kobe's fault they went 7 games lakers could've won it in 5 but thanks to kobe they lost game 5 & 6....( he did great in gm 7 though)...shaq would've 3 peat with allen, miller, iverson, t-mac, or any other perimeter star...during that time name me a superstar player that kobe could've teamed up with & 3peat but kobe has to be better than this player so no KG or duncan.
imsljr420 7 months ago
@imsljr420 You don't know for sure that Shaq would have 3-peated with any of those guys. Kobe was excellent on BOTH ends of the court, he was athletic and he was clutch.
Kobe's career shits on all those guys you mentioned and he went on to do things they couldn't even dream of.
peterdabest94 7 months ago
@peterdabest94 : ok well maybe not 3-peat but he would've won at least 1 or 2 with another perimeter all-star player, especially the 1st where kobe shot 36%......kobe's career is only better than iverson or miller because he's had better help than them & miller had to go up against jordan & the Bulls when they dominated the league.....BTW ask your leader KB42PAH to unblock me, i guess he got tired of me always talking shit about his hero kobe so he blocked me lol.
imsljr420 7 months ago
@imsljr420 The last 2 championships, Kobe had no future Hall of Famers on his team except for himself so talk about all this help he had.
peterdabest94 7 months ago
@peterdabest94 : pau gasol will be a HOFer.....was pippen consider a HOF player in 92 after Bulls only had 2 championships?...gasol & bynum are 2 giants that protect the basket making it hard for players to get lay ups or high percentage shots & they can also rebound kobe's bricks (which he puts up a lot)...he also had a DPOY winner ron artest with him...not to mention the 6th man & phil jackson.
imsljr420 7 months ago
@imsljr420 Gasol will not be a Hall of Famer. Lamar sucked in the 2011 playoffs, Lakers had no bench help whatsoever. Ron Artest was DPOY in his prime, he is not in his prime anymore. Kobe's supporting cast was very weak and overrated at times. He had help but he had no Hall of Fame help with him like Jordan had with Pippen in ALL his 6 championships. He also had Rodman, another Hall of Famer. Not to mention, when Jordan left, Bulls won 55 games without him!
peterdabest94 7 months ago
@peterdabest94 : back in 1992 was anyone considering pippen a Hall of Famer?....lakers can also win 55 or more without kobe as well, were the Bulls only supposed to win 10 games just because jordan was gone?....they had a playoff team & a great coach.
imsljr420 7 months ago
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@imsljr420 ''NOPE...that was shaq's 3 peat not kobe's...you have to be team captain for it to count'' Possible the dumbest thing i've heard in sport.
Kenny1984 7 months ago
@imsljr420 So I guess The 5 Kareem won wit LA don't count because Magic was the Captain huh?
I guess we forgetting How Shaq couldnt win wit Penny huh? I guess we forgetting how Jordan didn;t win until Pippen joined? seems like someone has selective memory........last but not least if you hate kobe so much Why tha fuck you watching his videos? If you really hated somebody you wouldnt give them attention.
Kobe's Life> your life
AndreRedd1Empire 7 months ago
@AndreRedd1Empire : no kareem's do count plus he got finals MVP unlike kobe & in 80 even though magic got finals MVP that should've gone to kareem (according to many laker fans)....shaq & penny only played 3 season & were coached by a bum named brian hill not a phil jackson. plus had to go up against the Bulls who dominated that decade....who was team captain & won finals MVP jordan or pippen?
imsljr420 7 months ago
@Kenny1984 haha dude, I've had many back and forths with that blackadamn bitch. Since fucking 2009! Can you believe the hate from this guy? Dude is on Jordan's dick harder than anyone I've ever seen! Even worse than Jordan's own gf!
locd2death 7 months ago
@locd2death lol same here. He follow me around try to shoot me with his wack stats that were pull from his ass. Dude even have a youtube channel and profile dedicated to protect Jordan and will argue against anyone if they talk about JOrdan
Kenny1984 7 months ago
@Kenny1984
"Dude even have a youtube channel and profile dedicated to protect Jordan"
Well where is it?
Anyone who looks at my profile can CLEARLY see that isn't true..
Like all stupid ass kids, U just make up shit as U go along and hope others are like U: too stupid (and childish) to look up things themselves, and will accept that wack ass comment on face value..
blackadam06 7 months ago
@blackadam06 Dude i went to your profile before. On your profile it said your mission is to debunk today sport fans if they ever compare today players to past players etc. Look like you just edit your profile lol too. You know what you wrote.
Kenny1984 7 months ago
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@Kenny1984
"On your profile it said your mission is to debunk today sport fans if they ever compare today players to past players"
???
U have to be 1 of the DUMBEST, and biggest liars I've ever run across here on YouTube...SMH
blackadam06 7 months ago
@locd2death
All U kobe homers are some undercover fags..
U bitch made ass clowns are always talkin' about 1 man suckin' on, or on the nuts of another man.
Real men don't talk like that...SMH
blackadam06 7 months ago
@blackadam06 Shit homeboy, we wouldn't be talking about that if you weren't doing it!! Get ya fucking self together. You the only fag here. Jordan's Jordan.. but dayum, quit slapping yourself all over Jordan's cock. You ain't going nowhere with that.
locd2death 7 months ago
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blackadam06 7 months ago
@blackadam06 favored practice by homos? So you have a lot of knowledge about the practices of homos.. I don't doubt that.
locd2death 7 months ago
@locd2death
Like I said, only homos constantly talk about 1 man sucking another's dick or ridin' his nuts...
Don't no real men talk like that, just U bitch boys & fags! These kinda homo-erotic references are said those who have those kinda' thoughts down in their subconscious to begin with...SMH
I bet U wear pink shirts & skinny jeans, and think that that shit is cool too huh? LOL!!
blackadam06 7 months ago
@blackadam06 Oh yeah, definitely dude. Keep talking about what you wear all day in your mom's attic.
locd2death 7 months ago
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blackadam06 7 months ago
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@locd2death
That aint something my generation brought into vogue.
Your generation is responsible for that..
blackadam06 7 months ago
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@locd2death
No U wouldn't be talkin like that if wasn't down in your subconscious to begin with LOL!!
That's a favored practice of closet homos...
blackadam06 7 months ago
@blackadam06 ready made title my ass. if that was the case, they would have won the first year when Kobe was there or even the 2nd year but NO, it took them until 2000 to win a championship. Why you ask? Because thats when Kobe developed his game. How about the last 2 championships? No future Hall of Famers on that team except for Kobe himself. Nothing was handed to him. Kobe has worked for everything. Stop spitting out bullshit.
peterdabest94 7 months ago
@peterdabest94 : no they won because phil jackson took over....if they kept eddie jones as a starter & kobe on the bench they would've won as long as phil was coaching them....shaq started dominating more once phil became the coach & that was the major difference not kobe.....well ok he did help...btw say hi to your leader pah for me....who loves kobe more you or pah?
imsljr420 7 months ago
@peterdabest94
Try going to 27 win lottery team that hadn't seen the playoffs since '81, and having to build that up from the ground, versus a 50+ win playoff team with All Stars on it already as a rookie, then talk to me about who's team is "ready made" vs who's isn't.
blackadam06 7 months ago
@blackadam06 Yeah and I'm sure having Smush Parker, Kwame Brown, Brian Cook, Chris Mihm, Luke Walton and all the other scrubs on the team was a blast for Kobe. I mean, where the fuck are these guys today? Nowhere to be seen. Kobe went from bottom to the top as well. He went from no playoffs to playoffs to finals and then championships.
peterdabest94 7 months ago
@peterdabest94
Go look at the lineup MJ had for the 1st 4 1/2 yrs of his career, yet took 'em to the playoffs EVERY YEAR as the "leader".
And how the hell can U claim kobe "started at the bottom", when as a rookie, he went to a 56 win playoff team with All Stars from jump?
Get outta here with that garbage kid...SMH
blackadam06 7 months ago
@blackadam06 Ok so what he had 3 rings by then. Still, he started at the bottom when he had that shit team and ended up getting 2 more rings and maybe he'll get more, who knows....
peterdabest94 7 months ago
@peterdabest94
He was just a sidekick during the 1st 3 titles, and didn't win another one until another dominant Big showed up.
Noticing a trend?
MJ led CHI to the playoffs EVERY YEAR B4 Pippen arrived, and had Pippen on his team for 4 yrs, and STILL never made a finals or won a title.
He was the MAIN cog behind ALL of their success and ALL the #s PROVE it, so that ALONE tells U that their success hinged on him not Pippen.
LA went to the finals the yr Gasol arrived, so what's that tell ya?
blackadam06 7 months ago
@blackadam06 Kobe was coming up in that 3 peat while Shaq was in his prime and yet, Kobe was still a crucial part to their playoff success. Stats? How about around 26 ppg 6 rpg 5 apg for 3 post-seasons in his early 20's.
Gasol, a dominant big? During those 3 post-seasons where Lakers went to the Finals, Kobe averaged 30 ppg 5.5 rpg 5.5 apg during the ENTIRE playoffs for 3 years straight and also became the only player in NBA HISTORY to score over 600+ points in 3 straight post-seasons.
Hmm?
peterdabest94 7 months ago
@peterdabest94
"How about around 26ppg 6rpg 5apg for 3 post-seasons in his early 20's"
For starters, it's about 23ppg 5rpg 5apg during those 1st 3 title runs.
Secondly, U doubt Gasol's impact on LA?
Go check their record B4 & after him, and while you're at it, go check & see who LED 'em in Win Shares, which tracks from an individual standpoint, who won MORE games for them, and PER, not to mention, who led 'em in offensive rating vs Top 10 defenses.
blackadam06 7 months ago
@peterdabest94
"During those 3 post-seasons where Lakers went to the Finals, Kobe averaged 30 ppg 5.5 rpg 5.5"
If you're referring to the 2nd 3-peat run, it took him 26 shot attempts to do it, so what's that tell ya?
Why do U think he's TWICE set the record for the MOST MISSES in a finals?
He didn't accomplish that for no reason!
blackadam06 7 months ago
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@peterdabest94
U ALWAYS bring up his 600+ pts in 3 straight playoffs, but NEVER mention that the 1st rd of the playoffs was INCREASED from a best of 5, to a best of 7, which gives him MORE games to score. I mean damn, where's the perspective on that feat?!!
MJ's had playoff runs of:
759 pts in 22 games
666 pts in 19 games
680 pts in 21 games
Put a prime MJ under this format, he'd shatter that record LOL!!
blackadam06 7 months ago
@blackadam06 Lol what kind of mumbo jumbo is that? Kobe 30/5.5/5.5 in 3 straight post-seasons, 600+ points, closed out games for the Lakers, Finals MVP, thats what matters
peterdabest94 7 months ago
@peterdabest94
"what kind of mumbo jumbo is that?"
They're called FACTS, something kobe homers have a BIG problem with when they're not in his favor.
"30/5.5/5.5"
Ok..MJ's career avg is better than that
And when it comes to "close out games", get real kid!
Since 2004, he's shot 34% in 8 elimination playoff games, so spare me..
For his CAREER in "elimination/close out games", he only avg's 21ppg 1apg on 36% shooting, and his team only has a 8-9 record, so GTFOH with that bullshit kid..SMH
blackadam06 7 months ago
@blackadam06 Yes and I gave you facts and stats as well. Lol way to bring MJ in to this. We weren't even talking about him. We were talking about Kobe and Pau. But its a typical response from someone like you. Kobe is 2nd all time in playoffs in 30 point games (behind MJ) so I'm sure some of those he has closed out games with a 30+ point effort.
peterdabest94 7 months ago
@peterdabest94
"Kobe is 2nd all time in playoffs in 30 point games (behind MJ)"
SMH...U just don't (or refuse) to get it huh?
If we're talkin' about him in relation to MJ, U can't just bring 1 or a FEW game totals to the discussion, and think that's a valid argument.
You're talkin' about comparing a FEW playoff games of 30 pts on his part, to someone who avg'd 33ppg in the playoffs (34ppg in the finals) for his career!
Your comparing a tom cat to a lion kid..SMH
blackadam06 7 months ago
@blackadam06 Where did you get 23 ppg from? The 3 post seasons in which the Lakers 3-peated, his avg's were 21.1, 29.4, 26.6 which averages out to 25.7 (I rounded it) and for rebounds it was 4.5, 7.3, 5.8 which averages out to 5.86 (I rounded it). Around 26/6/5 dude. Those are some goddamn decent numbers. I'm not sure about the averages but Kobe had more points in the 4th quarter than Shaq during that 3-peat as well. Shaq dominated the Finals but Kobe was during work throughout the entire po's.
peterdabest94 7 months ago
@peterdabest94
"Shaq dominated the Finals but Kobe was during work throughout the entire po's"
SMH...kobe from 2000-04, avg'd MORE shots & mins per game than Shaq in the reg season, playoffs & finals, and still couldn't outscore him, so get outta here with that garbage..
Go check their missed shot totals in the span as well.
That'll REALLY tell U just how big of a JOKE your comment is...
blackadam06 7 months ago
@blackadam06 The team MJ "led" to the playoffs with a "garbage" team had a 30 win season, a 38 win season, and a 40 win season. Kobe with a "garbage" team had a 34 win season, a 45 win season, and a 42 win season. Kobe did more with less. Not to mention that if Jordan would have had those 1st 2 records in today's East, he wouldn't have made the playoffs.
clutchcity25 7 months ago
@clutchcity25
"Kobe did more with less"
That's a lie...
"Not to mention that if Jordan would have had those 1st 2 records in today's East, he wouldn't have made the playoffs"
That's just more if's & coulda shoulda wouldas..spare me.
There were only 23 teams in the league at that time not 30 like today, so their record regarding playoff eligibility was a VALID one, so don't even try it.
U kids today kill me with ALWAYS trying to discredit something/someone that U know VERY LITTLE about..SMH
blackadam06 7 months ago
The real 05-06 season mvp.
Salva46 1 year ago
Kobe played 66 games in '05 & shot BELOW 41% in 25 of 'em, and that's with the new rules, which makes for MORE EASIER & efficient scoring for wing players. The next year ('06), he had 30 games with BELOW 41% shooting!
That's your MVP? LOL!!
Dirk was shooting 40+% from 3's while Kobe was ONLY shooting in the mid 40% with his ENTIRE shot selection LOL!! Nash was putting up double-doubles EVERY NIGHT & shooting 40+% in 3ptrs & 50% in 2ptrs, not to mention, their teams were BEATING kobe's LOL!!
blackadam06 1 year ago
@blackadam06 learn to read, stupid bitch. I'm talking about the 05-06 season, not 04-05.
Salva46 1 year ago
@Salva46
U learn to read U fuckin' idiot. So was I..
As anyone can CLEARLY see, I said: "The next year ('06).."
Damn, are U blind as well as ignorant? LOL!!
blackadam06 1 year ago
I like how steve kerr laughs everytime kobe scores :P
crabsinthepools 1 year ago
i miss this kobe :(
laker24fam 1 year ago
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if you take away kobes first 3 years where he wasnt a starter his numbers are right there with mj 29.1pts 6.1 rbs 5.7ast per game
thug8200 1 year ago
No they're not. Even if U did, kobe's # 's are STILL inferior to MJ's, and if U removed MJ's Wizard yrs (which brought down his career # 's), it's EVEN MORE embarrassing LOL!!
MJ's career playoff PER is 28.6 and his BEST playoff PER for a season is a 32.0. Both are JAW DROPPING considering he's a guard! Kobe's career playoff PER is 22.4 with his BEST playoff PER for a season being 26.8.
MJ's CLEARLY more dominant!
His LOWEST playoff PER rating (24.8), is BETTER than 10 seasons of kobe's LOL!!
blackadam06 1 year ago
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@blackadam06 man dont reply to me
thug8200 1 year ago
@blackadam06 lol maybe MJ shoould have had Per and Average of Kobe if that got him more rings? MJ more dominant yet he retired twice he walked away from Game, that will come back to hunt him, you say remove his wizards years yet you will not remove Bench years of Kobe when he was polishing his Game..lol you sore loser
you can not see game beyond numbers, you can not comprehend that different situations will produce different stats, but end result what matters..Kobe seems to have better result
Rustaveli2k7 1 year ago
Your post makes NO SENSE at all. MJ CONSISTENTLY put up better # 's than kobe with or without "help", and WON titles as the UNDISPUTED LEADER of his teams. It can be argued that kobe's been a GLORIFIED SIDEKICK in ALL 5 of his titles LOL!!
"you can not see game beyond numbers"
Sure I can. I use 'em to VALIDATE, not create my position on the matter. U like ALL kobe homers, use your opinions about kobe to do that, which is WHY your arguments consistently get CRUSHED & why U DESPISE stats so much
blackadam06 1 year ago
And for the record dumb ass, we can remove kobe's 1st 3 yrs & compare them up until age 31 (which is how old he currently is) and MJ still BLOWS HIM AWAY LOL!!
It's not even a contest!!
And what's really sad is that kobe has the ADVANTAGE of currently playing in a era where the perimeter defensive rules FAVOR guys like him, and he STILL can't consistently put up better # 's than MJ LOL!!
Kobe went to a title ready team from jump, MJ went to a lottery team & helped BUILD them into champions..
blackadam06 1 year ago
You really think Kobe is out there to put up better numbers than MJ? He just led the Lakers to back 2 back titles...that not enough for you? If he wanted to score more, rebound more, pass more, he would...But he's not out there to get better stats then MJ, he's out there to win titles and that's exactly what he's doing. Even MJ said this was the Kobe Era and he would love to play against him prime VS prime. MJ was the greatest of his time, arguably the greatest ever, but Kobe is right there too.
xsalvioutlawx 1 year ago
"You really think Kobe is out there to put up better numbers than MJ?"
No, but the point is he consistently DOESN'T & in this comparison, that's the point I was making.
"If he wanted to score more.."
Stop..
U kobe fans are ALWAYS trying to state as fact, what U "think" he could do, but consistently NEVER has. The NBA changed the rules 1 year AFTER Shaq left, leaving him as "the man", yet he STILL never consistently avg'd more ppg than MJ in ANY of those seasons, so U can keep that B.S LOL!!
blackadam06 1 year ago
that hesi he did at 1:36 was sick
yourfan24 1 year ago
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yourfan24 1 year ago
Jordan Came In Chicago Almost Like Jesus-Christ, Kobe Came in L.A. As a Skinny Kid Fresh Outta High School......Jordan Had The Green Light For EVERY Plays, Kobe Had To Fight 'n Battle To EARN a Lil Bit Of Respect Comin From His Teamates.......Jordan is The Most Adulated Player Ever, Kobe is The Most Hated Player Ever....... In Spite Of All These Handicaps Kobe is The Greatest By HIMSELF
KreolaBoy 1 year ago
"Jordan Came In Chicago Almost Like Jesus-Christ"
No he didn't, he came in under coach Loghery, he didn't even expect much from him. The damn video of him literally saying that is right here on YouTube..U don't know WTF you're talkin' about..
"Jordan is The Most Adulated Player Ever"
Because he EARNED it on the court..
"Kobe is The Most Hated Player Ever"
Hey why don't U go read pg 94 of Phil Jackson's book titled: "The Last Season: A Team In Search Of Its Soul", to see WHY that's so LOL!!
blackadam06 1 year ago
hey dude show us some Kings highlights geez! I mean we did win the game. Two highlights ain;t enough bro
paydog23 1 year ago
crappy ass kings
WeStSiDeBL00DZ1 1 year ago
@WeStSiDeBL00DZ1 This was the yr we traded Peja for Artest we made the playoffs and took the Spurs to 6 games had it not been for Brent Barry's 3 we could of pulled off the upsett. What did we do we cut Addlemen loose that was our last season we made the playoffs. Kobe played an unbelievable game as he does most of the time.
apeters38 1 year ago
simply the best ever
dzahu 1 year ago
Everyone stfu cuz everyone compared MJ to Julius Erving
TheKobe24mamba 2 years ago
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Kobe's more badass than Lebron. He beat the CRAP out of out of some dude yesterday night in NYC after he called him a nigger , the guy was demolished. TMZ posted the video at tmzfight