Vermont Independence Convention 2008: Gerald Celente-Part 1

[sdegroot1]

3:03 Yep he's definitely Italian. LOL He reminds me of Joe Pesci a little.

[Paragon0fVirtue]

It will take the people to make this change. More and more people everyday are starting to wake up and understand that making a drastic and risky change is necessary. We have been seeing this in West Virginia long before the turn of the century. Once prosperous towns are now only half-inhabited leaving many homes abandoned. As soon as the outsourcing started in the 90s, we took a big dive here. We knew it would spread and it has. We seriously need to be together on this. The system has failed.

[ourearthhome]

The future will be decided on how we handle the monetary system as Celente alludes to at the end. In addition it will depend on questioning and reforming the system that allows some few of our kind to "own" the earth and charge the rest of us for access to our own planet. It is called the "land question". The clue to understanding this resides in the fact that all land value is created by humanity, society, the community as a whole and not by individual owners of land and natural resources.

[EntouchNetwork]

nobody owns the land or the resources....

this is what we must understand...

we are only STEWARDS...and must become this...

and we must SHARE...as we do not own.

[ourearthhome]

Nobody can truly own the land, yes, but we need to have the right of exclusive use of land which is for the purpose of allowing the sower to reap what he sows. This is a protection to labor and to the investor of real capital, users of land. The way to accommodate the necessity of exclusive use of land with stewardship/sharing is to collect the full rental value of land every year from land "owners" to pay for public services all of which make land more valuable and to prevent land speculation.

[EntouchNetwork]

no; it creates the same system with greed, power issues etc....you just said it "protect the investor of real capital"...you will get the same exact games we've had...

the native indians didn't do it this way, and given we 'supposedly have too many people'...it commands (as we can see) the elimination of the game....the 'rental value of land' is man's mind game...it's ALL a LIE.

it'll be a much different world than we can imagine.

[ourearthhome]

And your plan for sharing the earth as long as we stay in the third dimension is what? You've just dismissed something you haven't bothered to understand. I am all for a different world we can't imagine but will it include the total solution to poverty and environmental abuse that the idea of sharing community created land values does?

[EntouchNetwork]

have you lived in an era where sharing community has created poverty and envt'l abuse? please enlighten me...

LOL! from my observtn evnt'l abuse has more been created from Big Bros/Big Business than any other entity? nobody OWNS the LAND or the RESOURCES and the continued consciousness would create the same agendas..as we can see by the upcoming regimen/policies

Land has value whether it is worked or not as it EXISTS..

tho i would agree a vast majority of us will not stay in 3rd dimension.

[ourearthhome]

Are you one of those who say don't worry your pretty little head about things as they are because they will all be fixed when we get to...(fill in your version of the promised land). If we move out of the 3rd dimension I will be glad to apologize and have a laugh with you. Until then I guarantee that even the spiritually minded will remain deeply committed to the practice of owning mother earth and charging the rest of us for access to her. Sharing community created land value is merely fair.

[EntouchNetwork]

why define 'are you'....you'll imagine whatever you want anyhoo?

i would say, 'worry' only creates that which you give power to....focus upon.

the 1st and more powerful way is simply to not enter your competitors field~possession i believe that is what Ghandi was attempting to sayits notabout moving outof 3rddimension.

it's about a quantum shift\movingto12+

that deserves the applause if not attenion in and of itself

we NEVER OWN Mother Earthwe are ASKED to Steward if we truly desire Harmony

[EntouchNetwork]

and the Energy Transfer which is happening... i believe the manifested subject/concept is as 'Money/Possession' well Simply Enjoy the Ride.... as it will be a ForeTold Story... of Ancient Moons ago... were we talking about painted pieces of paper call fiat which has no value and is 'conceptual'. None of Us EVER POSSESS ANYTHING... its an Illusion why then don't pay4it? can u manifest without ownership? paper games...leave trails of historical bullshit. Possessions do not exist

[ourearthhome]

Would you vote against a proposal to share the earth by taxing the community created value of land in all its forms while at the same time untaxing labor and real capital investment in all their forms? Or if you do not vote would you recommend that others vote against this proposal? Or do you think that there will be no need to fund community services and that it is OK for some few of us to continue to charge the rest of us for access to our own planet because the conversation irrelevant?

[EntouchNetwork]

the clue to understanding...

Land does not have Value in terms of Money...

it has VALUE ...'simply' because it Exists...

and that 'Value' is Determined and ForSeen by everyone...~in a different Way

and She speaks to us all ...when She rocks Her Waves...or Splits Open in Birthing

thus, then VALUE goes out the window

as it is "Defined Perceptual Value thatday/week/manipulated DowBow System

it's a NUMBERS GAME Boyzand Gals

Notthe Same as the FlowoftheMother

She is the Creata/Destroya

[SDavalon]

Celente and Schiff have been extremely accurate!

[mouljran7]

Gerald Celente s prdictions are priceless...

[florgat91]

Viva Vermont - most likely to Secede !