Chomsky - Perle Debate - Part 16

[zzzzzz2408]

Perle was impressed. So was I.

[Rogercopythat1]

Owned!!!

[skegnetty]

Interesting, the sycophancy of some towards Chomsky here - Perle was basically not permitted to speak, with Chomsky (true to form) hijacking the discussion in his usual style - suffocating people with an input flood of decontextualised, spliced and blow-dried quotes/stats from dubious sources, semantic convolution and monotonous piety. Seems very convincing to easily over-awed pseudo-intellectuals, many of whom could be heard guffawing with feigned amusement in the background.

[Redcarpet01]

@skegnetty It was very contextualised. Perle was the one that dodged the issues. And had no citations whatsoever.

[SkyGuySunny]

@skegnetty Excellent example of the kind of comment someone would make when the debater apologetic to his worldview gets dominated by the opponent by any intellectual or scholastic standard imaginable. It's easy for someone without the intelligence and/or will to grasp a certain thesis to dismiss academic superiority as suffocation (implying people are too stupid to follow a sustained argument) and "blow dried quotes" and statistics, as if documentation is irrelevant to making a point.

[skegnetty]

@SkyGuySunny What does 'academic superiority and intellectual/scholastic dominance' actually mean - that he speaks the truth? Such a condescending fawning towards Chomsky and the academic bubble he inhabits (has he ever been to Vietnam/Somalia/Iraq, for example?) encapsulates the reason why his opinions resonate as much among the 'normal' population as the beliefs of, say, the Church Of Scientology or the Branch Davidians.

[skegnetty]

@SkyGuySunny If his conspiratorial arguments had any genuine political credentials, he would have stood for office long ago. Alas though, his 'beliefs' have as much authority and popular support as David Irving's anti-holocaust ramblings.

[skegnetty]

@SkyGuySunny As regards this particular debate, Perle is a laid back political dinosaur/oaf and was the wrong person to be selected; someone of Christopher Hitchen's ilk would have challenged Chomsky's autistic digressions appropriately. Without doubt, Chomsky is supremely intelligent, but then again, many other dysfunctional nutjobs throughout history were too. That does not mean they have a monopoly on the truth - to believe so is irresponsible and dangerous in the extreme.

[voltairian3]

That bell going off in the background indicates every time Perle is totally obliterated by Chomsky

[doston1]

What is with that worthless bell? lol

[hrmIwonder]

To describe what Chomsky did to Perle, I think the word is Pwned.

[gjsterp]

SecretTroll...:

Search google zionism-israel + timeline, and see just how long the Jews owned the area they call Israel. The Italians had control of the area longer than the Jews, as did the Muslims.

How is it that Jews can claim this land they owned for such a short time as their own.

Because their Book tells them that God promised this land to them?

PURE HorseSHIT!

[TBlake34]

Yep, that's what makes me unable to fully support Israel (despite their obvious social superiority).

If we took a single year of our defense budget, $680 billion, we could literally build an Israel anywhere we wanted. We have a shitton of basically open area in the USA. If we put the Jewish state somewhere in the US, maybe on the Gulf Coast, Israel would be safe and it would be a huge economic boon.

Why not? Old book says they need THAT desert.

[gjsterp]

TBlake34: They already have a state in the US.

It's called New York City.

They also own enough of Hollywood...

But, if they want some of the desert that the indians don't want, they are welcome to it.

[doston1]

Because we have to have them in place for the second coming. Like Bill Maher said while clapping: "Places!! Where are my Jews! Places!!" You can't just go moving them all over, we need them destroyed there. Per biblical prophecy!

Places!! Where are my Jews! Places everyone!

[abrakkadabra]

and this moron pearl)(is deciding on the destiny of the whole world...he was so high in the beginning on his empty rhetorics...chomski owned him completely..i was just waiting when pearl was going to start begging for help...he should have run...run forest run..

[Lawlow1978]

Perle is a Zombie.

[gjsterp]

I still consider the formation of Israel ilegal.

How can we expect the Palistinians, the ones who lost their homes, to consider it a legal country?

Israel is a state held by force. They can hold it no other way, and they know it.

If they let down their guard they are dead.

I say they should all migrate somehwere else, and give Palistine back, with the right to visit their sacred sites.

[SecretTrollAccount1]

we just wait till all you clapped out hippies die from LSD overdoses and then we move on.

And if you think its an injustice for the Palestinians you might consider working on your American Indian question with renewed vigor give em plenty of Viagra and tell them all your earthly possesions are theirs.

[johnnycon]

Perle can do nothing but churn out the Pro-Israel rhetoric without looking at the facts.

[icedoutstreetgangsta]

Chomsky kills it. Perle is the perfect dummy to bounce off.

[johnnycon]

It was pointless having Perle there. He contributed absolutely nothing.

[ericbar1984]

while i side with Chomsky, it must be said that Perle provides the best arguments for his side (and they of course fall short). he is a good rival debater, but yes, Chomsky has a much wider, more inclusive, and morally just viewpoint. He also is a stickler for facts.

[Canada1953]

Isn't prof Chomsky's statement on the Palestinians not being permitted to pick their own negotiaters amazing. This is 20 years ago and they still can't.

[kubikmaster]

the situation reminds me of Mein Kampf by herr Adolf Hitler, who said he was not concerned about the intellectuals, it is the masses he had to convince and seduce, the accademics are always condemned to live in their Ivory towers ( I am an accademician and do hate that,...I wish I could change the politics of my country, which are ruled by politicians, i.e. neanderthals)...I am not trying to offend the neanderthals, just trying to make a point

[4ourthofjuly]

imagine our political system under the duress of germany in that era.

[SecretTrollAccount1]

it would be a wonderland of happiness and sharing and caring. Imagine it now, stalin is off cleaning your toilets, you have the unbiased news reporting of the 3rd Riech, you get to drink real beer insted that gnat piss you yanks brew and call pilsner, women would all have those sexy Princess Liea danish pastry hairstyles.

It would be awsome!

[gjsterp]

SecretTroll...:

I never tried LSD. Mary Jane yes. I was too busy working during the 60s to join the hippie movement.

You write as if you are eating some sacred mushrooms.

I think if the leaders on both sides of the Isreal/Palistine issue sat down and had a joint together they would settle their differences in one afternoon.

It would be awesome if we could get you Zionists to come out of the closet and admit you were and are really the organization behind the Nazi movement.

[SecretTrollAccount1]

Not me, I havent sat down in someone elses home and said, gimme dat. Gimme ya'll food, gimme dis, getchame dat shiney, make me happy,....you get the picture. Im wasting away watching little cocknosed faggots like you watch two kikes of enourmous proportions debate little Israels problem.

Theres something else that narks me but wont rant about it because weak little kikepuppets like you Americans wont lift a finger while Pissrael is a smear on your saintly names.

[gjsterp]

SecretTroll: Test your intelligence.

Search Jay walking and view the Leno question.

Did you get any right?

Sad wasn't it? And yes, we have some very ignorant Americans. Not stupid mind you, just didn't pay attention in school and now they are working with pea brains. Like you.

My friend you have not ruffled me at all. Your comments show your immaturity and lack of respect and I figure you have a lot to learn.

So, stay in school, and pay attention.

[SecretTrollAccount1]

study if you have so much free time on your hands, and if you geniunely care about settlement rights, persecution and the like history of the sudentland Germans, and ask yourself why they were ethnicly cleansed and Americans who were involved did nothing.

Israel has to determin itself, American intelectuals are part of the problem.

[SecretTrollAccount1]

scrub that, American Kikes are part of the problem.

[SecretTrollAccount1]

Zionist = Nazi?

You need to go back into your closet and hide from the real world that you clearly cannot understand. Zionism is a totaly Jewish idea, Zionists will approach any party for support to furfill the desire of creating, maintaing a Jewish state of Israel. It remains the only settlement of the Jewish question that results in non persecution of Jews.

The Israel today is unpopular due to location. That and uneducated scum who want the world to bend to thier demands.

[gjsterp]

Didn't the Nazis want to create a German State?

A German state or a Jewish state, it all boils down to the same thing. One race in or in control and all others out.

It all sounds like Nazism to me.

So Yes, Zionist = Nazism...

[SecretTrollAccount1]

The germans or nazi's reclaimed land that had belonged to them, and the war was brought on by Poland and the allies.

Zionists want to CREATE a state.I dont believe in Bibles etc so its not my problem. Jews can settle in Greenland for all I care.

[D0g63rt]

I will defend to the death the right of the indigenous people's of Greenland's right to exist as a nation free from foreign aggression!

[SecretTrollAccount1]

Vikings founded Greenland.

Finders keepers.

[romodel]

well, unfortunately for him, fruglescot, he was blessed with practical knowledge that merely permits him to lead a successful career of affecting real world politics, whereas that 800 lb gorilla is blessed with the ability to talk a lot and provide solutions that are strangely never adopted tho he makes them sound so clear and obvious (because they are simple unrealistic solutions that make us forget about weaker-stronger relationships).

[gotgatGIT54]

What practical knowledge? He showed not a trace of it. And if the 800 lb gorilla is blessed with only 'the ability to talk', you are unconscionably dismissing the staggering scholarship he displayed. Perle showed no lack of speechifying powers. It's just that this evening didn't work for his brand of absolutely hollow talk with no substance.

[Dalambam]

What about 'lynching'? lol

[fruglescot]

Puzzling !

What ever could have prompted Pearl to accept an invitation to engage with Chomsky in a debate over the ethics of American foreign policy. Did he not do his due diligence regarding professor Chomsky's intellectual

superiority? He inadvertently stepped in the ring with an 800 lb gorilla!

[overmind25]

How can anyone listen to Perle and not feel like vomiting?

[annarboriter]

The only affirmative point that Perle can offer is a simpler, reassuring interpretation of US foreign policy. We all want to believe that we are the good guys. It's an essential element of creating the national myth. One of Perle's few arguments is that US foreign policy is based on idealism, which he remarkably fails to define. His ultimate dissembling is to put forth the notion that people in power do not act on their own selfish interests. Please, somebody revoke his academic credentials.

[vicnameless]

Just read your statement and wholeheartedly agree. Couldn't have said it better myself.