Just a question as to why you believe you swing the club differently depending on the typ of club?? IF this is reality, then you must have a driver swing, a fairway wood swing, a hybrid swing, an iron swing and a wedge swing??
With the video....i am not sure why he seems to believe that by simply swinging down on the inside path you will not hit a slice/pull? From the inside line, which the majority of amateurs struggle with you can turn a slice in a devastating push slice.
So many amatures like me searching for a sollution to a slice. Well i hit my irons so well i have given up on all other clubs. Id rather master my iron play & always be in the fairway, i see my friends playing thier drivers/hybrids and getting frustrated like i did. The fact is if you dont play golf nearly everyday you will not master each swing that each club type calls for. Get a grip
He's pulling/slicing because he's spinning the hips from the top of the swing. Yet again this joker isn't giving a fix and confusing the general public even more. His tip should have been squat and load the left heel before turning the hips. His face annoys me too.
The only club I have a problem with currently is my driver. I slice or fade the heck out of the ball. I don't know why as my swing is the same as with my other clubs. My 3-wood is fine and it sometimes fades slightly, but I still hit it around 220yd-240yd.
great tip. I will work on this. First heard it in Manchester England in early 1980s and had forgotten it over the years thanks man!! Pull shots have cost me 1- 3 shots a round for decades and fighting it is my personal Sisyphus and the Rock story. Too old to believe in magical elixirs, but appreciate the concept (4 handicap,Sri Lanka).
Your coach is a fool. Take some masking tape....Apply it to your clubface... Then hit a draw......Then tell me where the ball impacted the clubface. The path determines where the ball starts and clubface determines where the ball ends up. Pro's aim to the flagstick has nothing to do with it. Pro A aims to the right of the flagstick and the ball starts on the target (right of flagstick). Then it spins to the left ; this is called a draw.
@justinp766 Dude you are talking about the old ball flight laws the old ball flight laws are wrong watch this video write this "Ball Flight Laws from Golf Evolution" YOU START THE GOLFBALL WITH THE CLUBFACE AND YOU CURVE IT WITH THE PATH!
......"The new ball flight laws" is just someone else's theory. Good luck with golf , because you obviously dont understand how a draw impacts the inside of the clubface and a fade impacts the near the outside of the club face.
@justinp766 Your an idiot I know exactly how to hit a fade and a draw but the clubface determines the ball's initial take off direction and you curve the golfball with the path why do you think when you are hitting a fade/slice your path is going so much to the left. Sean Foley said this "You start the golfball with the clubface and curve it with the path" We have learned the newball flight laws watching trackman results etc.
Of your and mine explanation which one seems the most likely?
@justinp766 For starters your ignorance is killing me you are such an idiot. I don't have a horrible swing the swing you watched was my swing when I was praticing indoors have changed it now. I believe and my swing teacher belives that I actually have a good golfswing I have alot of lag and I create alot of power. My golfswing is better and more efficient than yours I can say this without having watched yours. I know how to play golf I shot 68 -4 on my homecourse I drove a par 4 today 356.
@nikepumps123 Nope it does not anyone who plays golf and it's a great golfer would not that you start the ball with the clubface and curve it with the path. Lets say my clubface is very closed at impact and my swing path is in to out where will the ball start and where will it end up? It will start way left because the clubface is open then it will hook of the planet.
No one likes you because you are obviously a arrogant prick.
@f0cusen well thanks buddy. i was more reffering your last two sentences. your an idiot. also what you just said doesnt make sense. can you speak english please? first you say the clubface is closed, then its open? an in to out path with a open club face is a push. it goes straight. thats why what your saying makes sense. if you reply please do so with proper grammer. i dont feel like rereading your argument over and over to try and understand what you are saying. and yeah your swing sucks.
@nikepumps123 Correction No one likes you because you are an arrogant prick maybe you are just a retard who does not understand english because I used proper grammar.
The thing is that you don't know the ballflight laws If your clubface is really open the ball will start to the right and if your swingpath is out to in you will hit a push slice. Like I said before you start the golfball with the clubface and curve it with the path. Watch "The golf fix ball flight laws"
@f0cusen you used proper grammer? this is why they shouldnt let retards on youtube. quote-" it does not anyone who plays golf and it's a great golfer would not that you start the ball with the clubface". what is that shit??
what you say doesnt even make sense. if your swingpath is out to in you are pulling it not pushing it. if your club is 5 degrees open and you come from the inside your ball by 5 degrees it will go dead left. end of story. no curving, nothing. its going straight left.
@nikepumps123 Well, I was really tired when I made that comment so I made some stupid misstakes. The thing is if your swingpath is out to in you can still push it if the club face is open relative to the targetline did you get that? Think about putting if your putter is shut you will pull the ball left of the hole and if the clubface of the putter is open the ball will start right the same system/laws applies to your long game.
@f0cusen okay lets break this down. i swing on a path of in to out by just slightly. the ball will start right of my target everytime, this is just simple physics. the ball is a circle and the club is flat. think about it, then reply.
@nikepumps123 Okay listen to me very carfully now if your path is in to out the ball can still start left if the clubface is closed because you start the golfball with the clubface and the path determines the curvature of the ball why do you think when you are hitting a draw you use a in to out path and when you are trying to hit a fade you use more of a out to in path? PATH=CURVATURE CLUBFACE=where the ball starts Sean Foley said this in his instructional video. Use a trackman!
@f0cusen your understanding of golf ball flight is simplistic. the club face and swing path work together to determine both where the ball starts and where is finishes. to prove this in a way that can not be denied, even by you, take this situation. The club travels over the top and the face is closed. the ball flies straight. by your method the ball would have to start left and curve to the right. the ball is round and will not spin in a linear pattern. this is why you are wrong. ur grammer sux
@nikepumps123 The clubface and the clubpath work together to determine how much the ball will curve if the gap between the clubface and the clubpath is big the curvature of the ball will be extended the ball will curve really much. That's why the clubface has to match the clubpath to hit a ball that does not curve that can either be a ball that starts on the targetline and doesent curve or a ball that just starts left and right (pull, push). And my grammar does not suck I'm from Sweden btw.
@f0cusen jesus you piss me off so much. your grammer sucks, you dont understand the golf swing and your swing looks like shit. you wont admit any of this so whats the point talking with you. what you wrote above contradicts everything you have said and agrees with me. geeeeeze
@nikepumps123 I understand the golfswing more than you will ever know and my grammar does not suck I have a B maybe I'm getting an A in my english class. And watch this video season foley says "You start the golfball with the clubface and curve it with the path" It's on the pga tours site instructional section your fucking idiot.
@f0cusen and i speak english fluently you dumbass. your grammer sucks. you keep repeating the same thing despite all the example i show you to contradict you. this is a waste of time. youre 11 with a shitty swing and a bad understanding of golf. if you swing out to in with an open clubface at the right specifics, you will always hit it straight. this disproves what you are saying. think for a second before you reply., if what you are saying is true than pushs and pulls would not exist
@nikepumps123 First of all my english does not suck and I keep explaining the same thing over and over again because you are so ignorant that you can't understand what I'm saying. The pull shot is basically a straight shot but the shot is to the left of the target this shot happens when the swingpath and the clubface match eachother though they are both pointed to the left of the target the push is just the opposite. Watch this video it's about the ball flight laws /watch?v=Wnq6TiXw7wU
@f0cusen okay all star. youre. english. sucks. i would know better than you. dont disagree because you will be wrong. next, i realise what you keep explaining. it is wrong. for your argument to make sense the ball would not have sidespin coming off an open or closed clubface, only on an out to in or in to out path. this is not true. therefore what you are arguing is factually incorrect. the clubface and swing path work with oneanother. not seperately. think about my reasoning than reply.
@nikepumps123 Did you even watch the link I sent to you? Your comments make me laugh. Read this "According to the traditional ball flight laws that have been taught through the years, the initial direction of the ball is dictated by the club path," said TrackMan CTO and co-founder Fredrik Tuxen. "However, TrackMan now tells us even more. As a rule of thumb, the horizontal launch angle is only 15 percent determined by the club path and 85 percent determined by the face angle. Source Trackman.dk
the clubface dictates where the ball finishes...if your clubface is square at adress and you hit an outside/in swing path i promise 100% of the time you'll hit a pull cut that starts left and slices back right. opposite is true with inside/out
@BadAssDrummer001 The ball does not always start right with an inside/out swing path it's like saying the ball always start left with and out to in swing path. The clubface determines where the ball starts and the path creates the side spin.
@justinp766 Dude you are so wrong watch the ball flight laws. The clubface determines where the ball start and the path creates the sidespin on the golfball period! So when you are gonna hit a draw the clubface should be open to the target line at impact so the ball with start right of the flag but the clubface will also be closed to the path that creates a nice little draw. The wider the gap is between the clubface and the path the more the ball will curve.
A draw starts on target and turns left , that is why all the pro's aim to the right of the target if they are playing a draw. For a right handed golfer.
Have you ever hit a draw with an open clubface.....highly unlikey.......I dont even think Iron Byron could do that.
It goes against physics laws.
You are obviously not a very good golfer either from what I can tell.
@justinp766 It's hard to take you seriously since you are so wrong. Dude I brought up this discussion with my coach today he said the clubface determines where the ball starts and the path creates the side spin on the ball he also showed me slowmotion videos at impact he said stuff like look at this clubface it points to the left of the target and the swingpath goes out to in what shot did he hit? Look at this video "Golf ballflight laws" for the record I have 4 in HCP.
@justinp766 There is a diffrence between an open clubface relative to the swingpath and the targetline. Because the clubface determines where the ball start and when you are hitting a draw you want to start the ball right of the flagstick RIGHT? To achieve that your clubface has to be a little bit open to the targetline but the clubface is slightly closed relative TO THE SWINGPATH! Sean said in his video you start the golfball with the clubface and you curve the golfball with the swingpath.
@justinp766 an open clubface relative to what? Open to the target line, or open to the path? You can draw the ball with a clubface that is open to the target line, as long as it's closed to the path. In fact, most professionals don't aim right to play a draw. When playing a standard draw shot, say 5 yards, they'll aim straight where they want the ball to finish. Their swing will cause the ball to start a little right and move back towards the target. No, Iron Byron can't do it.
@f0cusen thank you, sir. I try. Seems like the 'new' ball flight laws have some people twisted up in mental knots. At the end of the day, ball flight is a result of the 'marriage' of the two elements - face angle, and path. It's not like guys couldn't hit draws and fades effectively BEFORE the 'D-Plane' logic came in vogue. If you're grip is appropriate for your swing pattern, and you're 'on plane', you'll come close enough to good Trackman numbers. Just go play.
@earthshine2k Yeahh, you are absolutely right this is what I've been trying to say to "nikepumps123" and justin.
The draw is hit with an open clubface relative to the targetline but the clubface is closed in relation to the swingpath this is what gets everyone confused. people think in order to hit a draw the clubface has to be closed. An open clubface does not exist to them when you are hitting a draw.
@f0cusen no doubt. the 'target line' is irrelevant to the ball flight physics. it is merely a point of reference. absolutely. the ball flight that everyone seems to be in love with (so am I) is really a little push-draw, relative to the ball-target line. Nicklaus' pattern was for a little baby draw, but he kept the face from closing with his aggressive leg drive. Thus, he combined the power of the draw with the control of a fade. Pure genius.
@f0cusen oh, absolutely. Nicklaus played a fade. At his best, it was a slight push straight ball / fade. He lined up left of his ultimate target, and swung from the inside. He released the heck out of the club with a draw action, but his face was square to just a hair open at separation, so he got the powerful, towering shots that fell just slightly to the right. He definitely didn't pull it, but a low pull, which he termed 'blue darter', was his nemesis shot when he wasn't just right.
@f0cusen yeah, nicklaus' shot was a 'power fade', but he didn't 'pull' it in the traditional sense of swinging from 'out to in'. He swung from the inside which produced the power, and his aggressive leg drive kept the club face square to, maybe 1 degree open. He just set up left, and ripped it, knowing he wouldn't double cross himself. In fact, Nicklaus says on his 'Golf My Way' video, that he 'doesn't mind if a fella is a little outside, as long as he aims left' and plays for a slight fade
@f0cusen I hit a shot called a super power fade. I average 375 yards off the tee-most courses are way too short for me. I shopt 62 yesterday round bethpage black
@f0cusen You're clearly an American with absolutely no sense of humour. You make yourself look a complete dumbo arguing about ball flight laws with strangers. Wow, you understand the ball flight laws-so do I nobhead, I don't need to go round telling the world.
PS I Hit a 376 yard push fade, with a zig zag draw check spin today-and it got me a hole in one. Now fuck off
@cockywatchman1976 you call that humour and I'm not an american I'm from Sweden and I'm just trying to convince the other guy that does not know the ballflight laws
@cockywatchman1976 Does cockywatchman see that, though he claims to hate it, he's the one acting like an aggressive scumbag? And he definitely doesn't seem ashamed of it. Even his moniker testifies to this shamelessness. He's totally conformed to exactly what he claims to hate. Speaking of conformity, he no doubt has at least one tattoo, as every member of today's herd of "individuals" must.
@Jitpring The US did not start WWII you idiot. Read a history book. Germany initiated WWII with the invasion of Poland in 1939. The US did not get involved until after Pearl Harbor (Dec 7, 1941). And yes I'm an American who knows his history you douche bag.
@smokebudda11 Oh my Lord, are you so unbelievabley stupid. They did start the second world war-they attacked Poland because they were Jewish. And then invaded Germany. Did you not do history?
@smokebudda11 well your telling the wrong guy. it looks like cockwatchman1976 was the one to say us started wwii not jitpring. and cockwatch needs to go and watch some more cocks while reading his nazi published history books. cheers
When you do this drill you will find that not only will it help with the pulls and slices but for those who have trouble understanding the downswing sequence they are always talking about (from the ground up); it is clear with this. It gives you instant feedback and makes you sequence correctly. Get the feel and feel the drill and ball compression with ease.
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xMarshmallow1 1 week ago
@UniversityofPacific thats why, sir : /watch?v=KyDHaKtROZo
FullTimeHypocrite 3 weeks ago 2
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FullTimeHypocrite 3 weeks ago
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Just a question as to why you believe you swing the club differently depending on the typ of club?? IF this is reality, then you must have a driver swing, a fairway wood swing, a hybrid swing, an iron swing and a wedge swing??
With the video....i am not sure why he seems to believe that by simply swinging down on the inside path you will not hit a slice/pull? From the inside line, which the majority of amateurs struggle with you can turn a slice in a devastating push slice.
jamegabee 1 month ago
is it possible for him to talk any faster ? such an annoying high pitch tone of voice !
QNH1013 1 month ago
don't like anything about this guy.. his annoying voice, smart ass attitude or that ugly swing! nothin
Facetube49 1 month ago
farmer's tan
alambify 1 month ago
good practice (hand under hand) for when your in the office or warm up before playing
MrPedrogolf 1 month ago
The only reason why the golf ball slices is the clubface is open.
golsbygolf 2 months ago
So many amatures like me searching for a sollution to a slice. Well i hit my irons so well i have given up on all other clubs. Id rather master my iron play & always be in the fairway, i see my friends playing thier drivers/hybrids and getting frustrated like i did. The fact is if you dont play golf nearly everyday you will not master each swing that each club type calls for. Get a grip
TheRonronronron 2 months ago
@UniversityofPacific because over half the folks that visit here are intellectually challenged!
DaveK1944 3 months ago
He's pulling/slicing because he's spinning the hips from the top of the swing. Yet again this joker isn't giving a fix and confusing the general public even more. His tip should have been squat and load the left heel before turning the hips. His face annoys me too.
Tourswing 3 months ago
Like this chanel very straight forward and simple explanation down to earth instead of long winded. appreciate and thanks very much
georgeting2009 4 months ago
i feel your pain what was that voice
superscootkid 4 months ago
you hit solid shots everytime its amazing
Devils4Ever30 4 months ago
The only club I have a problem with currently is my driver. I slice or fade the heck out of the ball. I don't know why as my swing is the same as with my other clubs. My 3-wood is fine and it sometimes fades slightly, but I still hit it around 220yd-240yd.
W4lly16 7 months ago
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great tip. I will work on this. First heard it in Manchester England in early 1980s and had forgotten it over the years thanks man!! Pull shots have cost me 1- 3 shots a round for decades and fighting it is my personal Sisyphus and the Rock story. Too old to believe in magical elixirs, but appreciate the concept (4 handicap,Sri Lanka).
dodgychipper1 8 months ago
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dodgychipper1 8 months ago
y shd he tell u where he's from?
undertaker2325 9 months ago
Your coach is a fool. Take some masking tape....Apply it to your clubface... Then hit a draw......Then tell me where the ball impacted the clubface. The path determines where the ball starts and clubface determines where the ball ends up. Pro's aim to the flagstick has nothing to do with it. Pro A aims to the right of the flagstick and the ball starts on the target (right of flagstick). Then it spins to the left ; this is called a draw.
justinp766 9 months ago
@justinp766 Dude you are talking about the old ball flight laws the old ball flight laws are wrong watch this video write this "Ball Flight Laws from Golf Evolution" YOU START THE GOLFBALL WITH THE CLUBFACE AND YOU CURVE IT WITH THE PATH!
f0cusen 9 months ago
@f0cusen
......"The new ball flight laws" is just someone else's theory. Good luck with golf , because you obviously dont understand how a draw impacts the inside of the clubface and a fade impacts the near the outside of the club face.
justinp766 9 months ago
@justinp766 Your an idiot I know exactly how to hit a fade and a draw but the clubface determines the ball's initial take off direction and you curve the golfball with the path why do you think when you are hitting a fade/slice your path is going so much to the left. Sean Foley said this "You start the golfball with the clubface and curve it with the path" We have learned the newball flight laws watching trackman results etc.
Of your and mine explanation which one seems the most likely?
f0cusen 9 months ago
@f0cusen
You have a horrible swing by the way, I just watched it on your crappy channel.
Learn how to play golf.
justinp766 9 months ago
@justinp766 For starters your ignorance is killing me you are such an idiot. I don't have a horrible swing the swing you watched was my swing when I was praticing indoors have changed it now. I believe and my swing teacher belives that I actually have a good golfswing I have alot of lag and I create alot of power. My golfswing is better and more efficient than yours I can say this without having watched yours. I know how to play golf I shot 68 -4 on my homecourse I drove a par 4 today 356.
f0cusen 9 months ago
@f0cusen na your swing sorta sucks. anyone who really plays oglf would laugh at what you just wrote. keep trying buddy
nikepumps123 9 months ago
@nikepumps123 Nope it does not anyone who plays golf and it's a great golfer would not that you start the ball with the clubface and curve it with the path. Lets say my clubface is very closed at impact and my swing path is in to out where will the ball start and where will it end up? It will start way left because the clubface is open then it will hook of the planet.
No one likes you because you are obviously a arrogant prick.
f0cusen 9 months ago
@f0cusen well thanks buddy. i was more reffering your last two sentences. your an idiot. also what you just said doesnt make sense. can you speak english please? first you say the clubface is closed, then its open? an in to out path with a open club face is a push. it goes straight. thats why what your saying makes sense. if you reply please do so with proper grammer. i dont feel like rereading your argument over and over to try and understand what you are saying. and yeah your swing sucks.
nikepumps123 9 months ago
@nikepumps123 Correction No one likes you because you are an arrogant prick maybe you are just a retard who does not understand english because I used proper grammar.
The thing is that you don't know the ballflight laws If your clubface is really open the ball will start to the right and if your swingpath is out to in you will hit a push slice. Like I said before you start the golfball with the clubface and curve it with the path. Watch "The golf fix ball flight laws"
f0cusen 9 months ago
@f0cusen you used proper grammer? this is why they shouldnt let retards on youtube. quote-" it does not anyone who plays golf and it's a great golfer would not that you start the ball with the clubface". what is that shit??
what you say doesnt even make sense. if your swingpath is out to in you are pulling it not pushing it. if your club is 5 degrees open and you come from the inside your ball by 5 degrees it will go dead left. end of story. no curving, nothing. its going straight left.
nikepumps123 9 months ago
@nikepumps123 Well, I was really tired when I made that comment so I made some stupid misstakes. The thing is if your swingpath is out to in you can still push it if the club face is open relative to the targetline did you get that? Think about putting if your putter is shut you will pull the ball left of the hole and if the clubface of the putter is open the ball will start right the same system/laws applies to your long game.
f0cusen 9 months ago
@f0cusen okay lets break this down. i swing on a path of in to out by just slightly. the ball will start right of my target everytime, this is just simple physics. the ball is a circle and the club is flat. think about it, then reply.
nikepumps123 8 months ago
@nikepumps123 Okay listen to me very carfully now if your path is in to out the ball can still start left if the clubface is closed because you start the golfball with the clubface and the path determines the curvature of the ball why do you think when you are hitting a draw you use a in to out path and when you are trying to hit a fade you use more of a out to in path? PATH=CURVATURE CLUBFACE=where the ball starts Sean Foley said this in his instructional video. Use a trackman!
f0cusen 8 months ago
@f0cusen your understanding of golf ball flight is simplistic. the club face and swing path work together to determine both where the ball starts and where is finishes. to prove this in a way that can not be denied, even by you, take this situation. The club travels over the top and the face is closed. the ball flies straight. by your method the ball would have to start left and curve to the right. the ball is round and will not spin in a linear pattern. this is why you are wrong. ur grammer sux
nikepumps123 8 months ago
@nikepumps123 The clubface and the clubpath work together to determine how much the ball will curve if the gap between the clubface and the clubpath is big the curvature of the ball will be extended the ball will curve really much. That's why the clubface has to match the clubpath to hit a ball that does not curve that can either be a ball that starts on the targetline and doesent curve or a ball that just starts left and right (pull, push). And my grammar does not suck I'm from Sweden btw.
f0cusen 8 months ago
@f0cusen jesus you piss me off so much. your grammer sucks, you dont understand the golf swing and your swing looks like shit. you wont admit any of this so whats the point talking with you. what you wrote above contradicts everything you have said and agrees with me. geeeeeze
nikepumps123 8 months ago
@nikepumps123 I understand the golfswing more than you will ever know and my grammar does not suck I have a B maybe I'm getting an A in my english class. And watch this video season foley says "You start the golfball with the clubface and curve it with the path" It's on the pga tours site instructional section your fucking idiot.
f0cusen 8 months ago
@f0cusen and i speak english fluently you dumbass. your grammer sucks. you keep repeating the same thing despite all the example i show you to contradict you. this is a waste of time. youre 11 with a shitty swing and a bad understanding of golf. if you swing out to in with an open clubface at the right specifics, you will always hit it straight. this disproves what you are saying. think for a second before you reply., if what you are saying is true than pushs and pulls would not exist
nikepumps123 8 months ago
@nikepumps123 First of all my english does not suck and I keep explaining the same thing over and over again because you are so ignorant that you can't understand what I'm saying. The pull shot is basically a straight shot but the shot is to the left of the target this shot happens when the swingpath and the clubface match eachother though they are both pointed to the left of the target the push is just the opposite. Watch this video it's about the ball flight laws /watch?v=Wnq6TiXw7wU
f0cusen 8 months ago
@f0cusen okay all star. youre. english. sucks. i would know better than you. dont disagree because you will be wrong. next, i realise what you keep explaining. it is wrong. for your argument to make sense the ball would not have sidespin coming off an open or closed clubface, only on an out to in or in to out path. this is not true. therefore what you are arguing is factually incorrect. the clubface and swing path work with oneanother. not seperately. think about my reasoning than reply.
nikepumps123 8 months ago
@nikepumps123 Did you even watch the link I sent to you? Your comments make me laugh. Read this "According to the traditional ball flight laws that have been taught through the years, the initial direction of the ball is dictated by the club path," said TrackMan CTO and co-founder Fredrik Tuxen. "However, TrackMan now tells us even more. As a rule of thumb, the horizontal launch angle is only 15 percent determined by the club path and 85 percent determined by the face angle. Source Trackman.dk
f0cusen 8 months ago
the clubface dictates where the ball finishes...if your clubface is square at adress and you hit an outside/in swing path i promise 100% of the time you'll hit a pull cut that starts left and slices back right. opposite is true with inside/out
BadAssDrummer001 11 months ago
its not a slice its and inside/out swing path the ball always starts right
BadAssDrummer001 11 months ago
@BadAssDrummer001 The ball does not always start right with an inside/out swing path it's like saying the ball always start left with and out to in swing path. The clubface determines where the ball starts and the path creates the side spin.
f0cusen 11 months ago
@f0cusen
Wrong....
The path determines where the ball starts and the clubface determines where/how the ball will spin.
Depending on severity of how many degrees open / closed the clubface is , its looks like this.
Inside of the clubface = draw / pull
Outside/ of the clubface = Fade / Slice
Watch , put some masking tape on your clubfaces and hit draws and fades.
justinp766 9 months ago
@justinp766 Dude you are so wrong watch the ball flight laws. The clubface determines where the ball start and the path creates the sidespin on the golfball period! So when you are gonna hit a draw the clubface should be open to the target line at impact so the ball with start right of the flag but the clubface will also be closed to the path that creates a nice little draw. The wider the gap is between the clubface and the path the more the ball will curve.
f0cusen 9 months ago
@f0cusen
Wrong again.
A draw starts on target and turns left , that is why all the pro's aim to the right of the target if they are playing a draw. For a right handed golfer.
Have you ever hit a draw with an open clubface.....highly unlikey.......I dont even think Iron Byron could do that.
It goes against physics laws.
You are obviously not a very good golfer either from what I can tell.
justinp766 9 months ago
@justinp766 It's hard to take you seriously since you are so wrong. Dude I brought up this discussion with my coach today he said the clubface determines where the ball starts and the path creates the side spin on the ball he also showed me slowmotion videos at impact he said stuff like look at this clubface it points to the left of the target and the swingpath goes out to in what shot did he hit? Look at this video "Golf ballflight laws" for the record I have 4 in HCP.
f0cusen 9 months ago
@justinp766 There is a diffrence between an open clubface relative to the swingpath and the targetline. Because the clubface determines where the ball start and when you are hitting a draw you want to start the ball right of the flagstick RIGHT? To achieve that your clubface has to be a little bit open to the targetline but the clubface is slightly closed relative TO THE SWINGPATH! Sean said in his video you start the golfball with the clubface and you curve the golfball with the swingpath.
f0cusen 9 months ago
@justinp766 an open clubface relative to what? Open to the target line, or open to the path? You can draw the ball with a clubface that is open to the target line, as long as it's closed to the path. In fact, most professionals don't aim right to play a draw. When playing a standard draw shot, say 5 yards, they'll aim straight where they want the ball to finish. Their swing will cause the ball to start a little right and move back towards the target. No, Iron Byron can't do it.
earthshine2k 9 months ago 3
@earthshine2k finally someone who knows what he is talking about.
f0cusen 8 months ago
@f0cusen thank you, sir. I try. Seems like the 'new' ball flight laws have some people twisted up in mental knots. At the end of the day, ball flight is a result of the 'marriage' of the two elements - face angle, and path. It's not like guys couldn't hit draws and fades effectively BEFORE the 'D-Plane' logic came in vogue. If you're grip is appropriate for your swing pattern, and you're 'on plane', you'll come close enough to good Trackman numbers. Just go play.
earthshine2k 8 months ago
@earthshine2k Yeahh, you are absolutely right this is what I've been trying to say to "nikepumps123" and justin.
The draw is hit with an open clubface relative to the targetline but the clubface is closed in relation to the swingpath this is what gets everyone confused. people think in order to hit a draw the clubface has to be closed. An open clubface does not exist to them when you are hitting a draw.
f0cusen 8 months ago
@f0cusen no doubt. the 'target line' is irrelevant to the ball flight physics. it is merely a point of reference. absolutely. the ball flight that everyone seems to be in love with (so am I) is really a little push-draw, relative to the ball-target line. Nicklaus' pattern was for a little baby draw, but he kept the face from closing with his aggressive leg drive. Thus, he combined the power of the draw with the control of a fade. Pure genius.
earthshine2k 8 months ago
@earthshine2k Yeah, I love the push draw that is pretty mush my stockshot Was'nt Nicklau's shotpattern a pullfade?
or atleast a fade
f0cusen 8 months ago
@f0cusen oh, absolutely. Nicklaus played a fade. At his best, it was a slight push straight ball / fade. He lined up left of his ultimate target, and swung from the inside. He released the heck out of the club with a draw action, but his face was square to just a hair open at separation, so he got the powerful, towering shots that fell just slightly to the right. He definitely didn't pull it, but a low pull, which he termed 'blue darter', was his nemesis shot when he wasn't just right.
earthshine2k 8 months ago
@earthshine2k Okay but a pullfade is a good shot you and it will go a little longer than the normal fade it's a powerfade.
f0cusen 8 months ago
@f0cusen yeah, nicklaus' shot was a 'power fade', but he didn't 'pull' it in the traditional sense of swinging from 'out to in'. He swung from the inside which produced the power, and his aggressive leg drive kept the club face square to, maybe 1 degree open. He just set up left, and ripped it, knowing he wouldn't double cross himself. In fact, Nicklaus says on his 'Golf My Way' video, that he 'doesn't mind if a fella is a little outside, as long as he aims left' and plays for a slight fade
earthshine2k 8 months ago
@f0cusen I hit a shot called a super power fade. I average 375 yards off the tee-most courses are way too short for me. I shopt 62 yesterday round bethpage black
cockywatchman1976 7 months ago
@cockywatchman1976 why did you write that comment it only makes you look like an idiot.
f0cusen 7 months ago
@f0cusen You're clearly an American with absolutely no sense of humour. You make yourself look a complete dumbo arguing about ball flight laws with strangers. Wow, you understand the ball flight laws-so do I nobhead, I don't need to go round telling the world.
PS I Hit a 376 yard push fade, with a zig zag draw check spin today-and it got me a hole in one. Now fuck off
cockywatchman1976 7 months ago
@cockywatchman1976 you call that humour and I'm not an american I'm from Sweden and I'm just trying to convince the other guy that does not know the ballflight laws
f0cusen 7 months ago
@f0cusen you are an american, everyone knows that the ball starts on club path and finished where the club points. It's obvious. Ok yanky boy
cockywatchman1976 7 months ago
@cockywatchman1976 Your anti-Americanism is very fashionable. Congratulations. You run with the herd.
Jitpring 6 months ago
@Jitpring Im not anti American, I just think they should appologise for starting world war 2 and for the twin tower bombing thing
cockywatchman1976 6 months ago
@cockywatchman1976 I see.
Jitpring 6 months ago
@Jitpring Yeah, and now ytou shoot all those people in Norway. The US are scum. Just scum bags and aggressive, I hope ur ashamed
cockywatchman1976 6 months ago
@cockywatchman1976 Does cockywatchman see that, though he claims to hate it, he's the one acting like an aggressive scumbag? And he definitely doesn't seem ashamed of it. Even his moniker testifies to this shamelessness. He's totally conformed to exactly what he claims to hate. Speaking of conformity, he no doubt has at least one tattoo, as every member of today's herd of "individuals" must.
O age, thou art shamed.*
O shame, where is thy blush?**
-Shakespeare, Julius Caesar,* Hamlet**
Jitpring 6 months ago
@Jitpring The US did not start WWII you idiot. Read a history book. Germany initiated WWII with the invasion of Poland in 1939. The US did not get involved until after Pearl Harbor (Dec 7, 1941). And yes I'm an American who knows his history you douche bag.
smokebudda11 6 months ago
@smokebudda11 Oh my Lord, are you so unbelievabley stupid. They did start the second world war-they attacked Poland because they were Jewish. And then invaded Germany. Did you not do history?
cockywatchman1976 6 months ago
@smokebudda11 well your telling the wrong guy. it looks like cockwatchman1976 was the one to say us started wwii not jitpring. and cockwatch needs to go and watch some more cocks while reading his nazi published history books. cheers
lafontaineadam 5 months ago
if the drill is so good why did you slice the ball??
eddiebutt1 11 months ago
@eddiebutt1 maybe he wanted to hit a cut?
f0cusen 9 months ago
fuck's sake Michael can't you upload you vids properly so that they don't take ages to download anything on the hips? good show by the way
eddiebutt1 11 months ago
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FitFast8 1 year ago
When you do this drill you will find that not only will it help with the pulls and slices but for those who have trouble understanding the downswing sequence they are always talking about (from the ground up); it is clear with this. It gives you instant feedback and makes you sequence correctly. Get the feel and feel the drill and ball compression with ease.
MrDoobie834 1 year ago
the one on the screen was slicy
kachunski 1 year ago
@kachunski started right not a slice the screen doesnt know how much the ball is spinning
camondrums 1 year ago
@kachunski he just cut it
f0cusen 9 months ago