Hugh criss-cross Chemtrails seen from Palm Springs, CA today - does anyone know the time lapse before dramatic change in weather or seismic activity occur?
The British government AND NASA have just admitted to using Sculthorpe airfield /watch?v=QLeEeiLNp8w for chemical test spraying into the atmosphere.
In October 2011 the airfield is to be used for spraying chemicals into atmosphere. Please see this article w.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-14916451
What's sad is that are still many people who no longer know what real clouds look like and when you tell them that the sky stripes are chemtrails, they laugh and label you a 'conspiracy theorist'!
It's not HAARP that causes the clouds, it's the chemtrails... the chemtrails help make the atmosphere more conductive for HAARP, though. Everyone must search and see the chemtrail documentary "Don't talk about the weather". I've spread about 200 DVDs around my city so far and recorded some chemtrails myself (my chan). Cya, TD
I am contacting as many people who are aware of this as possible b/c I have been ill from the toxic crap they spray and dont know how long Ive got. So keep me on your list...
Help heal the planet, google 'orgonite'. It's a simple compound anyone can create in their backyard with fairly inexpensive, widely-available materials which balances ambient energy by turning the negative energy into positive energy, with many easily-confirmed effects. Orgonite does this continuously, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, without electricity.
dont think the chem trials are vital to all applications of H.A.A.R.P. but H.A.A.R.P. does need a focus point,say a ...mobile phone maybe.large elctromagnetic pulse of charged super heated ions would make a neat pile of ash.or maybe a a billion piles of ash.just a paranoid scarey thought.
High Altitude Aerial Research Project I think mate, from what i can gather is an aray of ariels on the ground, that when combined with the chem trails ,just one application, can harness and focus the ionosphere or one of the parts of our atmosphere that contains positively charged particles in an unlimited but small amount,focus and useas a beam,either towards or away from the aerial aray, charge/heat/electromagnetise. not sure if Im confusing or helping .good luck lol
And what does the superimposed black circle prove? That there are some people with a lot of free time wanting to play Agent Mulder? Thanks for adding to the confusion with your fake video man, you really help us all.
use small pieces of quartz and quartz themselves to create CRYSTALBUSTER (a jar full of small pieces of quartz, those ones you can use for the bottom of your aquarium, plus the quartzes to shoot out the orgone energy)
ORGONITE WITH RESIN AND METAL IN IT, ARE BAD BECAUSE AFTER A COUPLE OF WEEKS THEY LOOSE POWER AND THEN CREATE CAOTHIC ENERGY- TRY THE CRYSTALBUSTERS AND THEN SPREAD THE WORD
This issue is more important than anything the human race has ever seen before. I sincerely believe that as the public becomes informed about this issue, there will be protests, and with the help of the I C C(international criminal courts) we can hope for help from the world. I have to believe that our country will do the right thing, and shut it down...I have to believe that because I have children. For those of you unfamiliar with this issue, please read Nich Begich's book, Angels don't play
you believe all you want but your country can't stop anything the world court is your enemy . MAssive revoultion won't destabalize the wealth accuired by so few through over 300 years of weakening the human race by reaping the land and all mankind.
Great comment tcmitton, I just happened to read it now. Not too many people realize what you stated... but your statement is an absolute fact. I am honored to see and read posts like yours. Please keep spreading the words as they are a benefit to humanity. Thanks. Massive revolution is what they want... only then can they really express their true power.
@tcmitton you believe all you want. if everyone had this attitude we definitely don't stand a chance. we have many brilliant minds with brilliant resources that we've never had before.
That sh%$ is Scalar Energy saturation! Dudes ! Check out the Jicamarca HAARP array in the heart of South America, Peru. Friggin creepy. The video is up under "Visita tecnica a Jicamarca".
The main bit I thought looked artificial is how the clouds form overhead with mackerel-sky patterns and ripples from 10 seconds into the video to about 30 seconds - the ripples are particularly obvious at about 20 seconds. Compare to my other videos and the Flickr photos mentioned in the video description.
I have posted some observations about chemtrails (and why I believe that's what they are) in the comments on my other video "Chemtrails time-lapse 18-06-2006" (which shows them more clearly BTW).
Then I suggest you do some research regarding this so-called "perfectly normal situation". There are plenty of scientific facts out there. Yes, possibly weather modification but if that is so then why are they spraying at only 15-18,000 feet??????
interesting you say theres no haarp... this might be disinformation as i've heard from several sources the government is trying to write chemtrails off as weather modification... hehe.. i wish =[
Chemtrails: Persistent lines of chemical-infused aerosol spray dispersals from typically unmarked planes which are now seen in the sky all over the world. Unlike normal jet contrails formed from water vapor, chemtrails spread to form a thick blanket of cloud cover, held together by polymer fibers until they reach the ground, contaminating crops, water supplies and humans with radioactive soft metals and dessicated red blood cells which contain active human pathogens.
Personally, I think your remark is quite ignorant. This is a real issue and is truly happening globally. I suggest you do some research online about this. You'll be amazed at what you'll find. Mass population reduction my friend. Dig it. It's REAL!
RISE WITH ME, RISE WITH ME RISE WITH ME! THESE BASTARDS ARE SERIOUS! THEY ARE KILLING US WITH A WEAPON OF MASS DESTRUCTION (HAARP) causing ALL EARTHQUAKES, HURRICANES, TYPHOONS, TORNADOS and all DROUGHTS! They ARE DUMPING GERMS/NASTY POISONS and DEPLETED URANIUM DUST in CHEMICAL TRAILS! THEY are poisoning our water, food and AIR!
We are sprayed night,early mornings,all day long! These are not contrails. Open your eyes and see this for what it really is. There are more of us on this planet than the elitists, Bildergers, Illuminati, etc. They're already nervous because people are finally realizing what's really happening on a global scale. We can and must stop them. They plan a full scale deadly influenza epidemic to be fully in place by 2012 I suggest the non-believers do their homework on this one!
perfect PEACE is coming before the 2008 ELECTIONS! it is not coming in the form of ALIENS! it will come from the Great Spirit BRINGING THE WORLD TRUTH ABOUT who DID 911 to the world(us government,nwo,bush REGIME) and ron paul(not A LIZARD) will be THE FIRST TRULY ELECTED PRESIDENT IN YEARS!
Please if there is anyone out there ready to RISE UP WITH ME CALL ME! The NWO is here and they MEAN BUSINESS! They ARE GOING TO CAUSE WW3 if we DON'T RISE UP AGAINST THEM. If they GET AWAY WITH IT it will KILL 5.5 BILLION OF US! THE REST of us that live will be rounded up and put in prison camps!
anyone who thinks that they are just contrails is just willfully ignorant. watch how they spray, and then hours later the chemtrail expands and blankets the sky. look here on youtube for clifford carnicom. he is a scientist and explains what he has found in the shit they are spraying
the case with chemtrails is just like with the 9/11. You wont see the difference within 5 min. You need to dig the topic. Just one thing to think about. A small cloud can weight 550 ton, bigest ships can take 250 ton of fuel. Water that makes the visible effect of contrails is only part of the engine exhaust. Its impossible to make this long "clouds" with only water from fuel. There are other arguments of course, dig for yourself.
Route625, is this really truth? I don´t live in the UK, but in Brazil. I never had heard about chemtrails before, but few days ago I saw really strange trails in the sky so I searched and asked people about it. I ended up watching this video. The weird thing about what happened here is that the day after I saw this we had a VERY thick fog, wich is abnormal for this area/weather. But the most strage about it is that no one talks about this... no one realized what happened.
this video reminds me of what happens here in CT, because the forcast will be for clear skies all day and then the planes come and the sky ends up completely covered, proof enough for me, I may not be the shinest fork in the draw but I still have a brain enough to see reality
the wind direction is something close to west to east...the 'chemtrails'...appear in the eastern (left section) of the shot...wouldn't then, (if there is a causal link between overcast and 'chemtrails') overcast develop...out of the shot...further to the east?
and what evidence is there to suggest this isn't typical meteorological activity?
sun goes black - is this not a feature in the camera to avoid burning out the iris, is this a webcam or camcorder? older cameras would have had a streek across the screen from the sun, newer cameras are built to protect the iris
Your "mackerel clouds" are simply wave clouds. Due to their nature, they tend to appear "out of nowhere", especially in time-lapse photography with five minute gaps.
you've get also different lenghs of the trail because the planes flying in different flightlevels. different layers means in many cases different water vapour capacity of the airmasses.
But...a lot of idiots and unknown suckers walking through this world and believe any fucking shit...
Through the cooling of the engines emissions the emission air is cooling down under the dewpoint. If the surounding air has lot of water vapour, the trails getting longer ones through the mixing with these airmasses and the emission. BryanMorton has absolutly right.
And why you don't see your "chemtrails" at dry atmospheric conditions, for example at a high pressure area? You've get lots of Cirrus clouds through the exhaust of the airplanes when a warmfront is moving to you. The emissions of the engines contains water vapor and lots of condensationparticles.
Contrails, the temperature difference between the ambient air and the leading edges of aircraft wings causes condensation to form. The condensation rolls outboard and comes off the wingtips as visible water vapor.
Hugh criss-cross Chemtrails seen from Palm Springs, CA today - does anyone know the time lapse before dramatic change in weather or seismic activity occur?
pspcraft 3 months ago
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The British government AND NASA have just admitted to using Sculthorpe airfield /watch?v=QLeEeiLNp8w for chemical test spraying into the atmosphere.
In October 2011 the airfield is to be used for spraying chemicals into atmosphere. Please see this article w.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-14916451
terrencejones 5 months ago
Som1 tell me what haarp is plz
Dodge94z 6 months ago
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What's sad is that are still many people who no longer know what real clouds look like and when you tell them that the sky stripes are chemtrails, they laugh and label you a 'conspiracy theorist'!
jackinla8 1 year ago
It's not HAARP that causes the clouds, it's the chemtrails... the chemtrails help make the atmosphere more conductive for HAARP, though. Everyone must search and see the chemtrail documentary "Don't talk about the weather". I've spread about 200 DVDs around my city so far and recorded some chemtrails myself (my chan). Cya, TD
TrutherD1 2 years ago
watch my haarp playlist for the ufo haarp chemtrail connection
acedagaiin 2 years ago
I am contacting as many people who are aware of this as possible b/c I have been ill from the toxic crap they spray and dont know how long Ive got. So keep me on your list...
iggy6 2 years ago
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Help heal the planet, google 'orgonite'. It's a simple compound anyone can create in their backyard with fairly inexpensive, widely-available materials which balances ambient energy by turning the negative energy into positive energy, with many easily-confirmed effects. Orgonite does this continuously, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, without electricity.
nrgstream 2 years ago
Any news about this crime is worthy of my time
Yoetah 2 years ago
very mediocre video, i am somewhat unimpressed and demand remuneration for the megabytes that i have waisted by downloading this video.
captiankickarse 2 years ago
OH NO! Calm morning sky! get down!
DogAmongMen 2 years ago
dont think the chem trials are vital to all applications of H.A.A.R.P. but H.A.A.R.P. does need a focus point,say a ...mobile phone maybe.large elctromagnetic pulse of charged super heated ions would make a neat pile of ash.or maybe a a billion piles of ash.just a paranoid scarey thought.
Daisycutt3r 3 years ago
Excellent video exposure!!!
lidiasasha 3 years ago
can someone explain what
HAARP
is with normal non- big words
please??
=/
TypsyMickey 3 years ago
High Altitude Aerial Research Project I think mate, from what i can gather is an aray of ariels on the ground, that when combined with the chem trails ,just one application, can harness and focus the ionosphere or one of the parts of our atmosphere that contains positively charged particles in an unlimited but small amount,focus and useas a beam,either towards or away from the aerial aray, charge/heat/electromagnetise. not sure if Im confusing or helping .good luck lol
Daisycutt3r 3 years ago
HAARP is interpritation and I don't know how we can ever really prove it without access to EVERYTHING! We will never get that!
The Chemtrails however are real! We absolutly have to make the public aware of Chemtrails! It is rapidly intensifying year by year.
Soupdragoon 3 years ago
Looks like a weather front moving in. GAY GAY GAY
ericgrimm22 3 years ago
Your right, that's all the video is showing.
ciscokid670 3 years ago
And what does the superimposed black circle prove? That there are some people with a lot of free time wanting to play Agent Mulder? Thanks for adding to the confusion with your fake video man, you really help us all.
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use small pieces of quartz and quartz themselves to create CRYSTALBUSTER (a jar full of small pieces of quartz, those ones you can use for the bottom of your aquarium, plus the quartzes to shoot out the orgone energy)
ORGONITE WITH RESIN AND METAL IN IT, ARE BAD BECAUSE AFTER A COUPLE OF WEEKS THEY LOOSE POWER AND THEN CREATE CAOTHIC ENERGY- TRY THE CRYSTALBUSTERS AND THEN SPREAD THE WORD
doddoso 3 years ago
I notice this going on alot here.I dont like the trails one bit.
NewJerseyPwns 3 years ago 2
In the province of the mind, what one believes to be true either is true or becomes true.
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QuotesandQuotables 3 years ago 3
This issue is more important than anything the human race has ever seen before. I sincerely believe that as the public becomes informed about this issue, there will be protests, and with the help of the I C C(international criminal courts) we can hope for help from the world. I have to believe that our country will do the right thing, and shut it down...I have to believe that because I have children. For those of you unfamiliar with this issue, please read Nich Begich's book, Angels don't play
ColectvIndvidulism1 4 years ago
you believe all you want but your country can't stop anything the world court is your enemy . MAssive revoultion won't destabalize the wealth accuired by so few through over 300 years of weakening the human race by reaping the land and all mankind.
tcmitton 3 years ago
Great comment tcmitton, I just happened to read it now. Not too many people realize what you stated... but your statement is an absolute fact. I am honored to see and read posts like yours. Please keep spreading the words as they are a benefit to humanity. Thanks. Massive revolution is what they want... only then can they really express their true power.
stillnessONtheWAY 2 years ago
@tcmitton you believe all you want. if everyone had this attitude we definitely don't stand a chance. we have many brilliant minds with brilliant resources that we've never had before.
sweepswoop 1 year ago
new article "Aerosolized Powder Contrails?" at Dandelion Salad (wordpress)
gnoseologist 4 years ago
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That sh%$ is Scalar Energy saturation! Dudes ! Check out the Jicamarca HAARP array in the heart of South America, Peru. Friggin creepy. The video is up under "Visita tecnica a Jicamarca".
RideMyBMW 4 years ago
The black thing poking through the clouds towards the end is just the sun; the camera makes things black when they're too bright.
nimbus186 4 years ago
The main bit I thought looked artificial is how the clouds form overhead with mackerel-sky patterns and ripples from 10 seconds into the video to about 30 seconds - the ripples are particularly obvious at about 20 seconds. Compare to my other videos and the Flickr photos mentioned in the video description.
nimbus186 4 years ago
I have posted some observations about chemtrails (and why I believe that's what they are) in the comments on my other video "Chemtrails time-lapse 18-06-2006" (which shows them more clearly BTW).
nimbus186 4 years ago
Then I suggest you do some research regarding this so-called "perfectly normal situation". There are plenty of scientific facts out there. Yes, possibly weather modification but if that is so then why are they spraying at only 15-18,000 feet??????
dnuciforo1 4 years ago
Ok first of all that was just a video of a sun rise and second that black thing you see moving.... is the sun.
xxdamonxx77 4 years ago
There are no HAARP places in the Farnham area. What place do you think it is? As I probably know what its real use is
sexygirlsamantha 4 years ago
interesting you say theres no haarp... this might be disinformation as i've heard from several sources the government is trying to write chemtrails off as weather modification... hehe.. i wish =[
GodSaveThePres 4 years ago
that black round thing looks like ball lightning. I saw it once when I was a kid in Oklahoma.
sethzky 4 years ago
There is an excellent report on chemtrails from a US TV station. Search chemtrails news barium in YouTube!
gordonblimey66 4 years ago
I must agree with all of jazzroc's posts here and declare that the rest of you are simply loons!!!
Thuno 4 years ago
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Chemtrails: Persistent lines of chemical-infused aerosol spray dispersals from typically unmarked planes which are now seen in the sky all over the world. Unlike normal jet contrails formed from water vapor, chemtrails spread to form a thick blanket of cloud cover, held together by polymer fibers until they reach the ground, contaminating crops, water supplies and humans with radioactive soft metals and dessicated red blood cells which contain active human pathogens.
GenuineBull 4 years ago
Why do you people believe this kind of shit? Is your last name Gulliver?
69HemiGTX 4 years ago
Personally, I think your remark is quite ignorant. This is a real issue and is truly happening globally. I suggest you do some research online about this. You'll be amazed at what you'll find. Mass population reduction my friend. Dig it. It's REAL!
dnuciforo1 4 years ago 3
RISE WITH ME, RISE WITH ME RISE WITH ME! THESE BASTARDS ARE SERIOUS! THEY ARE KILLING US WITH A WEAPON OF MASS DESTRUCTION (HAARP) causing ALL EARTHQUAKES, HURRICANES, TYPHOONS, TORNADOS and all DROUGHTS! They ARE DUMPING GERMS/NASTY POISONS and DEPLETED URANIUM DUST in CHEMICAL TRAILS! THEY are poisoning our water, food and AIR!
DOUGLASBICKFORD99 4 years ago
We are sprayed night,early mornings,all day long! These are not contrails. Open your eyes and see this for what it really is. There are more of us on this planet than the elitists, Bildergers, Illuminati, etc. They're already nervous because people are finally realizing what's really happening on a global scale. We can and must stop them. They plan a full scale deadly influenza epidemic to be fully in place by 2012 I suggest the non-believers do their homework on this one!
dnuciforo1 4 years ago 6
perfect PEACE is coming before the 2008 ELECTIONS! it is not coming in the form of ALIENS! it will come from the Great Spirit BRINGING THE WORLD TRUTH ABOUT who DID 911 to the world(us government,nwo,bush REGIME) and ron paul(not A LIZARD) will be THE FIRST TRULY ELECTED PRESIDENT IN YEARS!
DOUGLASBICKFORD99 4 years ago 3
cause hes leading the primaries now right?
jdhinds1234 4 years ago
hahaha
mmurdock77 4 years ago
Please if there is anyone out there ready to RISE UP WITH ME CALL ME! The NWO is here and they MEAN BUSINESS! They ARE GOING TO CAUSE WW3 if we DON'T RISE UP AGAINST THEM. If they GET AWAY WITH IT it will KILL 5.5 BILLION OF US! THE REST of us that live will be rounded up and put in prison camps!
DOUGLASBICKFORD99 4 years ago
what he hell is that?!?? weird!! man i heard this lady on talk radio talking about "toxic skies" this is it huh? damn
dayetripper 4 years ago
anyone who thinks that they are just contrails is just willfully ignorant. watch how they spray, and then hours later the chemtrail expands and blankets the sky. look here on youtube for clifford carnicom. he is a scientist and explains what he has found in the shit they are spraying
shutdownthefed 4 years ago
the case with chemtrails is just like with the 9/11. You wont see the difference within 5 min. You need to dig the topic. Just one thing to think about. A small cloud can weight 550 ton, bigest ships can take 250 ton of fuel. Water that makes the visible effect of contrails is only part of the engine exhaust. Its impossible to make this long "clouds" with only water from fuel. There are other arguments of course, dig for yourself.
kondrix 4 years ago
28 secs into it, did you catch a plasma EM field?
58 secs Sensor Orb alert. and 1.01 too? You can see the Quantum Cryptography as the clouds
morph into smaller images that form another image
altogether thruout the video. Happens to tree leaves too, like dot pixels.
dbootsthediva 4 years ago
Fizzy pop is the aerosol carbon coenzyme that helps
create the catalyst so the chemtrail can expand
instead of dissipating No stratus or cirrus cloud formations without the
help of the synthetic plasma field. We are not in Kansas anymore, and those are not
real clouds. They are the ultrafine powders &
transparent liquids of multi layered metallic silica
oxides varieties, bacteria, and chemicals to create
different catalysts for different cryptography
effects
dbootsthediva 4 years ago
Check my videos
Marrykate8 4 years ago
Route625, is this really truth? I don´t live in the UK, but in Brazil. I never had heard about chemtrails before, but few days ago I saw really strange trails in the sky so I searched and asked people about it. I ended up watching this video. The weird thing about what happened here is that the day after I saw this we had a VERY thick fog, wich is abnormal for this area/weather. But the most strage about it is that no one talks about this... no one realized what happened.
satortenet 4 years ago
All I know is the skies aren't as blue as they were just a few years back. Makes one wonder.
Route625 4 years ago
this video reminds me of what happens here in CT, because the forcast will be for clear skies all day and then the planes come and the sky ends up completely covered, proof enough for me, I may not be the shinest fork in the draw but I still have a brain enough to see reality
ScreaminMeemes 4 years ago
If you blink your eyes at exactly 132 blinks per minute you can see the subliminal message the plane left.
utkonos313 4 years ago
the wind direction is something close to west to east...the 'chemtrails'...appear in the eastern (left section) of the shot...wouldn't then, (if there is a causal link between overcast and 'chemtrails') overcast develop...out of the shot...further to the east?
and what evidence is there to suggest this isn't typical meteorological activity?
thehun184 4 years ago
He probably had trails all around and those clouds coming in are the effects, when you find a camera that can shot 360 view, let me know.
ScreaminMeemes 4 years ago
yeh that looks stodgy, mate
veltpak6 4 years ago
Did all of you miss how the sun's rays became distorted and the sun got covered by a gas vapor field
then completely covered it and we couldn't even see a ray of the sun? To most people the sun can appear as
a black object because of the screen that is superimposed over it to cause global warming.
Also it affects the ozone layer and all those UV EM
spectrum colors could very well be UV Radiation, which also is known to cause whiteout in pictures and
photographic film.
dbootsthediva 4 years ago
sun goes black - is this not a feature in the camera to avoid burning out the iris, is this a webcam or camcorder? older cameras would have had a streek across the screen from the sun, newer cameras are built to protect the iris
factsnow 4 years ago
It is a newer camera. This image in this video is
almost black from the beginning. This feature you speak of is when a photographing device is aimed directly at the sun. This is suppose to be the sun
rising. Everybody also miss the fact it is not rising,
it is traveling horizonitally and not rising vertically.
dbootsthediva 4 years ago
The sun rides low on the horizon in winter. The video was shot in december, if you notice the date.
thediscocowboy 4 years ago
Where does organite put all the noxious chemicals, fungi and filaments?
johnlvs2run 4 years ago
music? where?
Tsingkong911 4 years ago
Your "mackerel clouds" are simply wave clouds. Due to their nature, they tend to appear "out of nowhere", especially in time-lapse photography with five minute gaps.
Makyui 5 years ago
"What about the black flying object?"
That mysterious orb is what we call, "the Sun."
BryanMorton 5 years ago
you've get also different lenghs of the trail because the planes flying in different flightlevels. different layers means in many cases different water vapour capacity of the airmasses.
But...a lot of idiots and unknown suckers walking through this world and believe any fucking shit...
Brieselanger 5 years ago
Through the cooling of the engines emissions the emission air is cooling down under the dewpoint. If the surounding air has lot of water vapour, the trails getting longer ones through the mixing with these airmasses and the emission. BryanMorton has absolutly right.
Brieselanger 5 years ago
And why you don't see your "chemtrails" at dry atmospheric conditions, for example at a high pressure area? You've get lots of Cirrus clouds through the exhaust of the airplanes when a warmfront is moving to you. The emissions of the engines contains water vapor and lots of condensationparticles.
Brieselanger 5 years ago
Contrails, the temperature difference between the ambient air and the leading edges of aircraft wings causes condensation to form. The condensation rolls outboard and comes off the wingtips as visible water vapor.
BryanMorton 5 years ago
contrails are NOT so long!!! these are chemtrails... what about the black flying object? Nimbus, can you tell me something?
JavieraI 5 years ago
Of course they are, when the atmosphere is moist enough to prevent the condensation from evaporating. Just like cirrus clouds.
What "black flying object"? The round orb rising over the horizon? That's a camera artifact caused by the brightness of the sun.
Makyui 5 years ago
There is nothing at all unusual here. Clouds actually do "appear out of nowhere", especially at 1 second = 5 minutes
Epoxynous 5 years ago