It's not your fault gang videos aren't well received. It's CCP's, the combat is just much harder to grasp, and it's almost impossible to figure out who is doing what.
Great stuff, really liked it and can derffinitely see jur's influence, should be a bit more careful with your overlay though it was slightly miss aligned.
In the middle fight the opposing fleet should have spread the ECM to the dps rather than the logi and then focused on each dps knocking them out one by one. Nice work though, you guys seem to work very well in a fleet.
I'm curious: I think a lot of people would look at fleets like the ones you run and accuse you of low/no risk pvp - how would you describe your relationship with risk? Do you guys lose much? ever? Do you get fights often? Rarely?
I'm so curious about what its like in organizations like yours.
People say that we go no or low risk pvp is just "stupid". Deploying sometimes ships that are beyond the billion is always a risk and rolling along with guardians is normal. Everybody would do it. What everybody doesn't do is engage outnumbered in fights where ECM even dominates. These same people are often rolling with falcon alt themselves or are carrier camping at station. Who is being the no/low risk pvp-er here?
Snuff is getting enough fights, don't worry about that
@DaniSang that was an awfully angry response. I wasn't being critical. I've never done that kind of pvp and I'm genuinely curious about how often you get good fights and how often you actually lose. I'm interested because I often don't use the kinds of fleets you are using because I'm worried that it would be too hard to find enemy gangs willing to engage us. I understand that pvp is always a risk and that lots of people use logistics...if you don't want to answer me seriously thats ok...
@jampyzero wasn't meaned or is a angry response. Sorry for that. Snuff box was like any other corporation in eve in the beginning. Bunch of members enjoying pirating. Eventually we got blobbed and blobbed over again. At that moment snuffbox decided to upgrade instead of getting more members. Logistics are a force multiplier like Ecm and falcons. New problem is that people actually start to bring 10 logistics or multiple triages for just for the 20 of us.
@jampyzero its all about perspective, we could argue someone running a cheap battlecruiser gang was no risk because it's worth next to nothing, someone has to only kill 1 of us and we've lost the isk war usually. We have recently been trying a cane fleet to look more engagable, and still been successful, but then people who accuse us of hiding behind expensive ships come out with new excuses not to fight us. We try more than most people to engage in unfavourable situations.
@likalaka24 Yeah, maybe I phrased my question badly. I really am not trying to discuss whether or not your pvp contains risk, it obviously does, what I want to know is how your method of managing risk pans out. You're absolutely right that someone flying cheap stuff isn't risking much, thats the way I've always managed risk. Originally that was out of necessity I think, but now with more resources I'm curious about the way the other side lives.
@jampyzero Really what I'm curious about is how often you can get the sort of engagements you show here. I've always had so much more trouble getting fights when I step up my hardware that I always wind up going back to cheap stuff.
Do you guys get good fights often? How often do your fights feel challenging? That kind of thing.
@jampyzero no absolutely, I understand what your asking and enjoy watching your vids myself to see your style of pvp. When we downgraded to the cane fleet, we still found the same level of hesitence to fight us as before (to the point of rupture gangs being mentioned on the forums) and we would have happily welped a fleet of canes for the sake of a fun fight. So personally I don't feel it really limits the fights we get significantly. We're very much a weekend corp atm tbc...
@jampyzero due to lots of our corp being busy with rl currently (we're a small corp) but we generally get at least 1 good scrap a weekend, an example would be the past 2 weekends we've fought the gallente, the first was 5 of us, some of your guys, and a few members from several other corps fighting a gallente gang, and i'm sure your guys will agree it was a damn fun fight, which we were losing until we deployed triage. The following weekend we took on a bigger gal fleet who had (tbc)
@jampyzero to batphone shadow cartel/tuskers to come save them, at which point we were far to outnumbered to continue. We landed up losing 2 triage carriers. So yes the fights we get are challenging, and it may look simple in videos what we do, but it needs to be seeing most people are boxing. But in some ways you are right, people generally won't engage us without a significant edge, be it numbers, logi, ewar, a backup fleet or whatever.
This is a perfect video which shows that numbers aren't always everything; when you have competent pilots who have the ability to execute well-organised plans.
Props to you and your corp, Snuff Box, for taking on much larger gangs and coming out victorious, that's what EVE is all about!
Nice vid, good music
Martin161272Lyd 2 weeks ago
It's not your fault gang videos aren't well received. It's CCP's, the combat is just much harder to grasp, and it's almost impossible to figure out who is doing what.
cthulify 2 weeks ago
what i find most astonishing about the last fight is the following:
the caption says: 6 BS and 3 Guarians. Teamspeak overlay says: 5 People
nice multiboxing!
zapdecom 2 weeks ago
Nice Vid, (kinda wanna go back to low sec now) :D
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EveOnline1000 3 weeks ago
about as good as it gets when it comes to small gangs! gj
RamblinRichard 1 month ago in playlist EVE Online PvP Compilations [Solo, Small Gang & Narrative]
Great stuff, really liked it and can derffinitely see jur's influence, should be a bit more careful with your overlay though it was slightly miss aligned.
FreshClipMedia 1 month ago
In the middle fight the opposing fleet should have spread the ECM to the dps rather than the logi and then focused on each dps knocking them out one by one. Nice work though, you guys seem to work very well in a fleet.
haydenjc3 1 month ago
Excellent Video, Well done!
Covert0ne 1 month ago
good vid, awesome fights
DonaldRMichael 1 month ago
I enjoyed this, thanks for posting.
I'm curious: I think a lot of people would look at fleets like the ones you run and accuse you of low/no risk pvp - how would you describe your relationship with risk? Do you guys lose much? ever? Do you get fights often? Rarely?
I'm so curious about what its like in organizations like yours.
gl
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jampyzero 1 month ago
@jampyzero
People say that we go no or low risk pvp is just "stupid". Deploying sometimes ships that are beyond the billion is always a risk and rolling along with guardians is normal. Everybody would do it. What everybody doesn't do is engage outnumbered in fights where ECM even dominates. These same people are often rolling with falcon alt themselves or are carrier camping at station. Who is being the no/low risk pvp-er here?
Snuff is getting enough fights, don't worry about that
DaniSang 1 month ago
@DaniSang that was an awfully angry response. I wasn't being critical. I've never done that kind of pvp and I'm genuinely curious about how often you get good fights and how often you actually lose. I'm interested because I often don't use the kinds of fleets you are using because I'm worried that it would be too hard to find enemy gangs willing to engage us. I understand that pvp is always a risk and that lots of people use logistics...if you don't want to answer me seriously thats ok...
jampyzero 1 month ago
@jampyzero wasn't meaned or is a angry response. Sorry for that. Snuff box was like any other corporation in eve in the beginning. Bunch of members enjoying pirating. Eventually we got blobbed and blobbed over again. At that moment snuffbox decided to upgrade instead of getting more members. Logistics are a force multiplier like Ecm and falcons. New problem is that people actually start to bring 10 logistics or multiple triages for just for the 20 of us.
DaniSang 1 month ago
@jampyzero its all about perspective, we could argue someone running a cheap battlecruiser gang was no risk because it's worth next to nothing, someone has to only kill 1 of us and we've lost the isk war usually. We have recently been trying a cane fleet to look more engagable, and still been successful, but then people who accuse us of hiding behind expensive ships come out with new excuses not to fight us. We try more than most people to engage in unfavourable situations.
likalaka24 2 weeks ago
@likalaka24 Yeah, maybe I phrased my question badly. I really am not trying to discuss whether or not your pvp contains risk, it obviously does, what I want to know is how your method of managing risk pans out. You're absolutely right that someone flying cheap stuff isn't risking much, thats the way I've always managed risk. Originally that was out of necessity I think, but now with more resources I'm curious about the way the other side lives.
to be continued...
jampyzero 2 weeks ago
@jampyzero Really what I'm curious about is how often you can get the sort of engagements you show here. I've always had so much more trouble getting fights when I step up my hardware that I always wind up going back to cheap stuff.
Do you guys get good fights often? How often do your fights feel challenging? That kind of thing.
Again, no criticism, just curiosity.
jampyzero 2 weeks ago
@jampyzero no absolutely, I understand what your asking and enjoy watching your vids myself to see your style of pvp. When we downgraded to the cane fleet, we still found the same level of hesitence to fight us as before (to the point of rupture gangs being mentioned on the forums) and we would have happily welped a fleet of canes for the sake of a fun fight. So personally I don't feel it really limits the fights we get significantly. We're very much a weekend corp atm tbc...
likalaka24 2 weeks ago
@jampyzero due to lots of our corp being busy with rl currently (we're a small corp) but we generally get at least 1 good scrap a weekend, an example would be the past 2 weekends we've fought the gallente, the first was 5 of us, some of your guys, and a few members from several other corps fighting a gallente gang, and i'm sure your guys will agree it was a damn fun fight, which we were losing until we deployed triage. The following weekend we took on a bigger gal fleet who had (tbc)
likalaka24 2 weeks ago
@jampyzero to batphone shadow cartel/tuskers to come save them, at which point we were far to outnumbered to continue. We landed up losing 2 triage carriers. So yes the fights we get are challenging, and it may look simple in videos what we do, but it needs to be seeing most people are boxing. But in some ways you are right, people generally won't engage us without a significant edge, be it numbers, logi, ewar, a backup fleet or whatever.
likalaka24 2 weeks ago
nice vid.
legionofsatav 1 month ago
look like snuff is still going then
timejamie 1 month ago
I thought this was awesome to watch!
This is a perfect video which shows that numbers aren't always everything; when you have competent pilots who have the ability to execute well-organised plans.
Props to you and your corp, Snuff Box, for taking on much larger gangs and coming out victorious, that's what EVE is all about!
H-E-R-O-I-C
eveonline247 1 month ago in playlist EVE Online PvP Compilations [Solo, Small Gang & Narrative]