I have deliberately read hundreds of comments, and there is no question, many of the negative commentators and some of the positive ones have real ego problems. I make no apologies for my comment. Sorry if I have over generalised. You write, "She doesn't do it for me. And that's ok." I agree completely. So relax, find those you really love and enjoy.
Do yourself and everyone else a favour, not wasting time on her videos.
Each of us dislikes lots of music. Irrational to go there!
(2)Not found one opera singer that has maintained perfect accuracy and technique over all their available recordings. Compare Anna's worst recordings against the best of another great singer, and no doubt she will come out worse for the comparison. Many are recorded and edited, while anything Anna sings live, somebody immediately puts on the internet. Some admit they post her recordings just to point out faults!!!
In a fair statistical comparison, Anna would rank among the best!
@operafan0anegnd I think it's great when people feel strongly about particular performers. I will always love Fleming, and some people hate her singing. I do not find Netrebko's acting or interpretations to be especially compelling. But that's my opinion. What I take issue with is the notion that just because they don't like her it's somehow a reflection of their inflated ego. I've heard her recordings, heard her live and seen many videos of her. She doesn't do it for me. And that's ok.
Have been an opera fan for 45 years, have heard, love many of the old singers.
However my ears and brain tell me that Anna ranks amongst the best.
She portrays characters beautifully and I feel elated hearing her.
But we will never agree. To me overall artistic effect is paramount,
while perfection of technique and perfect accuracy, while great as goals and desirable, are of secondary importance. I do read musical scores. Disagree as to the importance of your metric. All the best.
@PopoliDiTessalia There is no mystery. They do not only pick on Anna Netrebko.
It is her great fame that attracts them. They pick on all the other great singers as well. The ones they claim to like are almost always dead. Full of feelings of lack of self worth, they think they can elevate their wretched egos, by putting down the truly great people. If the great are bad, they think their criticism makes them superior to them. Can but feel sorry for them!
@operafan0anegnd Netrebko has/had a world class instrument, but lacks a world class vocal technique. Her huge career has been much more the result of clever marketing than of the artistry of her vocalism.Image and pubic appeal have always mattered, but at one point the popularity of opera singers used to center around the quality of their singing. Perhaps you should spend a little more time listening critically to these "dead singers" and then you'll understand what people are taking issue with.
And just in case: Manon is supposed to sing "Et si Manon devait jamais mourir, ce serait, mes amis, dans un ECLAT DE RIRE"; not "(...) dans un orgasme".
@operafan0anegnd You are totattly right: virulent critics always criticise big name singers. They'd rather be thousand to criticise totally unknown singers.
But perhaps the main question remains: why do people criticise Anna Netrebko? Because they are silly? Because they are stupid? Or just... because they like Bel Canto, perhaps?! :-D
This dress looks ridiculous on her. It is ill fitted on her current body type. She saw this dress in the store, loved it and decided to get it even though it did not favor her. As for the singing, too/so much has been said about AN singing coloratura roles when she neither has the faculty nor facility to do so. but alas, the more people speak out, the more she goes for it. Anna Bolena, not a role for her and so is Manon. She cannot handle the role and is brazenly ducking notes.
Thanks, you're right about Manon, but I don't agree with what you write about this particular performance. But this "super star" has such a legion of fans, that I prefer to shut up.
I'm not a big fan of her but I think that it was a good performance...of course, she misses the coloratura trills, stacattos etc.. but she's not coloratura; her high notes are fine here (maybe not very secure); and the style...first of all, Manon is not a nun; Anna tries to interpret the character, not only to sing it...btw I don't find her vulgar...
mmmmmmmm...it seems there is a little sync problem...take in account that De Billy does it between 4:45 and 4:55...however the dedication is still valid LOL!
I'm sorry but Manon IS vulgar. So Anna Netrebko does it vulgar here, that doesn't mean she's a vulgar artist. It's like to say that Mahler is vulgar because the Landler of the First Symphony is vulgar. Congratulation for the intelligence!
On the contrary, "someone else" (I don't say names) can be vulgar even in pieces like Casta Diva. This is the vulgarity of the artist. Simple!
Terribly VULGAR: stop making AN a star, which is not! Open your ears! Since the very 1st notes, she's out of character and style (she has no style in French romantic opera by the way.) Manon is NOT a common, cheap, glittering operetta character. Poor enunciation, bad or non-existent phrasing, wrong dynamics, erratic coloratura, vulgar posture and attitude. Poor thing. Is THIS opera?
@GoldenAgeSunshine Your shitting fest wil not do! Put your bloody analysis into your ass and keep it there until you can digest all your negative shit.The morons like you are not welcome here. Just FUCK OFF, understand dude ?
Tomorrow I will dedicate the "conducting" gesture of De Billy at 4:51 to this block-head. Body language is ever the most intelligible for jackasses like this one.
Now I'm too much sweet due to the youngest Netrebko fan I discovered, a 2,5 yo little child! ...children understand true art better than any other!
@spqrmor First of all, U should remain polite. Easy to write such horrors and stay anonymous. It's because of people like U that there's so much filth around. Hope U know you can be sued for what you write, I hope U'll be. If AN is your treasured icon, respect others' objective criticisms: she has a reputation within serious musical circles, and not the one you may believe. She's an excellent artist, yes, no doubt. But in the wrong repertoire, that's it. It closes the matter.
@GoldenAgeSunshine To be polite with unpolite one is nonsense! I will advise to the attorneis of Anna Netrebko to trace you down and start a lawsuit against such shamless slandering asshole like you.If I see any of you bloody comments around be sure I will.
@spqrmor Oh! I'm terrified, really! Everybody is entitled to make artistic statements and issue opinions. However, words like the ones you use show the mediocre level of understanding of that repertoire and style. A lawsuit against me? That would be soooo funny, actually! Chapter closed.
@GoldenAgeSunshine You wished for proof of expertise from Spqrmor. Well the names are proof of expertise from within the more than pleased audience wouldn't you say?? I am sure the credentialed list is to your satisfaction. If so, it closes the matter.
@GoldenAgeSunshine Such pathos! It's bad for your body and mainly mental health! LOL YOU are this POOR THING! Have you had YOUR ears checked long ago? Obviously they are plugged with soot if you can't hear all the beauty of Netrebko's singing! You need a chimney-sweep as soon as possible! LOL It doesn't matter what nonsense you write here, nobody is MAKING Anna Netrebko a star! If you like it or not she is already the BRIGHTEST STAR! If you want to find REAL VULGAR ATTITUDE check BARTOLI, PRINA!
@serenaluce Your kind comments are sooo illuminating and purposeful to the esteemed YouTube musical community. According to what U write, U must be indeed such a revered expert. Yes, U R an expert on voice, style, and phrasing: I can see that! Thanks: I'm so delighted to have learned such a great lesson from U. U want class? As Laleyla wrote: listen (if U can) and watch Moffo.
@GoldenAgeSunshine Actually I agree, Moffo is a great singer and I enjoy listening to her. She is CLASS! But she is already a giant of the past. What about new stars? You think we should only live in the past? You think that all CLASS is left there? There is NO more class in any singers of modern times? You again make the same mistake as all those ignorant people who compare Netrebko with Callas. The only difference is that you compare her with Moffo now. What about her contemporaries?
@serenaluce Thanks for your comments. No, of course not, we shall not live in the past. I mentioned Moffo cuz somebody did. And I certainly do not compare A.N. to M.C.! I was saying that A.N. does not sing the scene of Cours-la-reine as it should be sung. Problems with enunciation, dynamics, P and PP, very poor phrasing, no care of the prosody (do you understand French?) And she over-acts, which is not necessary, esp. in concert. That's all! Being a beautiful charmer is not enough, I'm afraid.
@GoldenAgeSunshine Well, you seem to have a lot of work today to reply to Netrebko's fans!:-) I don't want to make your life more difficult that it's now:-), but I have to disagree with you. For me just to be "a beautiful charmer" is not enough either. Anna is great! She is a new bright star for a reason! Her good looks could help her only in the beginning but to be that successful for many years without talent and hard work is impossible! Also, she doesn't over-act, she is just NATURAL ON STAGE
@serenaluce I'm NOT questioning her artistry & amount of hard work. I'm saying that THIS PARTICULAR RENDITION OF MANON IS VULGAR. AN is a great artist, but what I hear here, under a STRICT MUSICAL point of view, is not NOT MANON! Other singers that night were better. But you are right that she has got TALENT, no doubt! Other colleagues on that evening score better results musically. And the PUBLIC APPLAUDING 2X right in the middle of the scene show their total IGNORANCE. FOOD FOR THOUGHT.
@GoldenAgeSunshine -- If Manon is not vulgar, however "innocently", she is not a good Manon. The character is a courtesan in the making; witness that by the end of the opera she has already sold her charms to one man, while supposedly caring for another. For me, even if she's not a Marchesi pupil, I think at last I have found a Manon whom I would "walk across the street" to hear and see. ...and her technique seems to keep improving...
Placido Domingo, Simon Keenlyside, Ferruccio Furlanetto, Stefania Bonfadelli, Barbara Frittoli, Natalie Dessay, Michael Schade, Stephen Gould, Thomas Quasthoff, Ramon Vargas, Thomas Hampson, Diana Damrau, Waltraud Meier, Johan Botha, Piotr Beczala, Angela Denoke, Genia Kuhmeier, Adrianne Pieczonka, Krassimira Stoyanova, Simone Young, Bertrand de Billy, Franz Welser- Möst, Fabio Luisi, Zubin Mehta and Antonio Pappano.
@orewa14 Thanks for this great list. I don't know what you mean by that. I was referring to A.N. She should indeed be included but what I heard at that specific moment, the way she sang it, was not good. One should stop keep saying all the time that that's beautiful when it's not! Like Dessay was not in shape at all, do you agree? But Urmana (Forza) was very good ... So, we're both experts, that's great. Have a nice day in music ....
@GoldenAgeSunshine Here is what I mean. The listed people were all there that night, It is their applause which you can hear. The applause of many of those famous opera singers and orchestra conductors in the list. So ask yourself, would musicians such as those, give such an ovation, to a singer in the wrong repertoire ??
@orewa14 This mr.Golgen..Shit is real philistine.Just look what he wrote on her CD several months ago:"OMG there she's again,the little mouse who wants to move mountains.....The dullest, emptiest singing I've ever heard. She is a light lyric, nothing more, nothing less. Stick to that repertoire, Miss Glamorous b***m. Should she dare sing Norma, what will be next? Abigaille, Turandot? She's giving the wrong example to younger generations.
@spqrmor Abolutely and this is shared by many, but obviously not by you. If you think that she can tackle (or should sing) NORMA ... I fear for her future career and for the public (for those who know opera, the serious opera buffs, not the others) Your opinion is subjective. Mr Expert: according to you, what is AN's vocal color, what's the true nature of her voice? Mimi, Norina, Liu, Gilda, to some extent, Violetta and Nedda! Singing Casta Diva DOES NOT make AN a NORMA! End of the story.
@GoldenAgeSunshine You said it was period last time!?Unlike of you I never try to sound like an expert. Everybody's already got that you tremendous hater of Anna just looking for a drawbacks not seeng the beauty of her art.And all your negative reactions are mostly unpleasant for the people to read.What the hell are you sitting on her pages then?Don't make a fool of yourself , just quit.
@orewa14 Singing the wrong repertoire during a concert happens more often that it should, alas. However, I recognize that AN is a great artist, no doubt. But NOT in this scene, for many reasons, too long to list here (musical, style, interpretation, rythm)! Others score a far better result (Urmana, Hampson, Keenlyside: that was great stylish singing.!) And the public did NOT ONLY applaude because of appreciation: they clapped in the wrong place, believing the Cours-la-Reine scene had ENDED!
@orewa14 SPONTANEOUS APPLAUSE? !!!! YES, TWICE AT THE WRONG PLACE IN THE COURS-LA-REINE SCENE !!!! Good, very good: excellent indeed. That shows how expert are A.N. fans! How they know the repertoire! Living proof of what I've said before. So end of the story.
Hint: read the list. Now do you still say they are inexpert and ignorant of suitable repertoire ?? Do you say the Pope is not a Catholic or that the Sun is cold??
@orewa14 The listed artists were participants and were not present in the hall to applaud "la prima". Some of them for sure were not happy to share the stage with her. "Sold out" and Art are not categories of the same level (although I'm sure the event would be sold out even w/o AN but my remark was general).
@amlirco Then my source must be mistaken. Who did the cheering is important, considering that whoever they were, they have been denigrated as collectively possessing an uneducated palate. You are right about Waltraud Meier, she is second to no one.
Do you know that some of the artists were not happy to share the stage with
Anna Netrebko ?? If so, you will be able to name them.
@orewa14 Look, I don't want to enter this discussion. For me it's clear and neither you nor any expert could convince me AN was not highly overestimated in any sense and I'm surprised that she was brought forward by people who must have substantial background and musical education but evidently "sold out" appeared to be >>...>> significant than the Art.
I simply suggested participants were not clapping fervently in the hall after AN's perfomance. And no, I have no evidence someone was unhappy.
@Laleyla Sorry but you're unfair to Anna. Of course Anna Moffo was beautiful, talented and full of charm and musicality. But with every your damn click you always return to AN's pages to listen to her, so I guess she also has the above degnities as well as composer's level standing and extraordinary charisma.
Excellent performance! She's maturing in the role, especially in the nuances of the music, and even sang some very good trills (despite one rough high note)! Her voice seems to get thicker and larger every day, but mantains the lyricism and creamy youthful sound that still allows her to sing these girlish roles. I see nothing vulgar about her, because we all know she's not the first Manon to focus more on the character's sensual, "carpe diem" aspects. Manon isn't a saint, and this IS a recital.
BTW...I think the episode at 4:48 already did the history of music, especially the gesture of the conductor LOL. Thank you Mr. De Billy, we really need that, these times. I dedicate this candy to all "opera aficionados" over the world. I hope everyone catches the irony ;-)
She shows us that under the pleasant surface of this music there is all EXCEPT a conciliatory and reassuring meaning. Like in Baudelaire poetry: all is beautiful, but under that there is a scandalous thought that could make blush every docker. Massenet is French, the Maudits are coming, Rimbaud is going to find The Beauty "bitter" and many French literature masterworks of the time remained on the Index a lot of years. Anna could go even further in that but for the moment it's OK.
@amlirco Absolutely you are right! Ma guardi i commenti antipatici e osceni che mi sono preso per aver osaaaaato criticare la A.N.: volgare, pessimo gusto, musicalità fuori posto per il Cours-la-Reine. Trasforma questa scena in un operetta, nella quale sarebbe eccellente del resto! Gioca con il fisico per compensare .... Un robot cantante senza nessuna anima: il francese 6/10, l'italiano 7/10. Ma chiaramente vende CD e DVD perché gli ignoranti non conoscono il repertorio. Saluti.
@GoldenAgeSunshine Veramente, pochi osano a criticare ciò che è ampiamente accettato come normale e di valore nelle cosi dette "alte" sfere. Ma ti saresti dovuto essere preparato per una reazione simile.
A me personalmente non m'interessa di sapere chi sono stati presenti a questa festa popolare. Mi fa schifo che AN puo' essere considerata la prima nella presenza di una Meier per esempio.
Qualsiasi tipo d'arte si puo' trasformare in volgarita quando non si rispettono certi limiti.
Manon suits her.
lisamayavonB 1 week ago
@PopoliDiTessalia
Not matter of silly or stupid.
Some critics may be very intelligent and knowledgable.
Bel Canto just means beautiful singing.
There are more restricted definitions specifically designed
to restrict what they allow to be considered beautiful music.
They do not like music that does not conform to their constraints.
OK!
They have no right to look down on, sneer at those, who find Anna's singing extremely beautiful.
What constitutes beauty is a matter of taste! No one is superior!
operafan0anegnd 2 months ago
@Operaboy1986
18Dec(2) I have often listened to 40 sec of a video, not for me, get out,
listen to something else, never bothering to even click dislike.
Hey some will enjoy. Leave them to it!
Ego problems are not the worst. Many behave like childish brats,
who have never learned the most basic of decent adult behaviour.
That is truly very sad. Vocabulary sounds adult, but psychological state
definitely requires serious psychiatric attention.
Enjoy that which you really like!
Regards.
operafan0anegnd 2 months ago
@Operaboy1986
I have deliberately read hundreds of comments, and there is no question, many of the negative commentators and some of the positive ones have real ego problems. I make no apologies for my comment. Sorry if I have over generalised. You write, "She doesn't do it for me. And that's ok." I agree completely. So relax, find those you really love and enjoy.
Do yourself and everyone else a favour, not wasting time on her videos.
Each of us dislikes lots of music. Irrational to go there!
operafan0anegnd 2 months ago
@Operaboy1986
(2)Not found one opera singer that has maintained perfect accuracy and technique over all their available recordings. Compare Anna's worst recordings against the best of another great singer, and no doubt she will come out worse for the comparison. Many are recorded and edited, while anything Anna sings live, somebody immediately puts on the internet. Some admit they post her recordings just to point out faults!!!
In a fair statistical comparison, Anna would rank among the best!
operafan0anegnd 2 months ago
@operafan0anegnd I think it's great when people feel strongly about particular performers. I will always love Fleming, and some people hate her singing. I do not find Netrebko's acting or interpretations to be especially compelling. But that's my opinion. What I take issue with is the notion that just because they don't like her it's somehow a reflection of their inflated ego. I've heard her recordings, heard her live and seen many videos of her. She doesn't do it for me. And that's ok.
OperaBoy1986 2 months ago
@Operaboy1986
Have been an opera fan for 45 years, have heard, love many of the old singers.
However my ears and brain tell me that Anna ranks amongst the best.
She portrays characters beautifully and I feel elated hearing her.
But we will never agree. To me overall artistic effect is paramount,
while perfection of technique and perfect accuracy, while great as goals and desirable, are of secondary importance. I do read musical scores. Disagree as to the importance of your metric. All the best.
operafan0anegnd 2 months ago
@PopoliDiTessalia There is no mystery. They do not only pick on Anna Netrebko.
It is her great fame that attracts them. They pick on all the other great singers as well. The ones they claim to like are almost always dead. Full of feelings of lack of self worth, they think they can elevate their wretched egos, by putting down the truly great people. If the great are bad, they think their criticism makes them superior to them. Can but feel sorry for them!
Do not like? Listen to something else!
operafan0anegnd 4 months ago
@operafan0anegnd Netrebko has/had a world class instrument, but lacks a world class vocal technique. Her huge career has been much more the result of clever marketing than of the artistry of her vocalism.Image and pubic appeal have always mattered, but at one point the popularity of opera singers used to center around the quality of their singing. Perhaps you should spend a little more time listening critically to these "dead singers" and then you'll understand what people are taking issue with.
OperaBoy1986 2 months ago
And just in case: Manon is supposed to sing "Et si Manon devait jamais mourir, ce serait, mes amis, dans un ECLAT DE RIRE"; not "(...) dans un orgasme".
PopoliDiTessalia 4 months ago
Brava!
cheshire188 4 months ago
FLAT.
REBECCAtheSOPRANO 5 months ago
Anna is great!!!
Advice to critics. If you do not like something, abort listening the first time,
and look for something you can appreciate!
You have to be mentally defective to listen again just to make negative comments.
I notice the virulent critics always criticise big name singers.
Stroking your poor insecure egos, you think you elevate yourselves above
the great singers, when actually you show what vile, miserable specimens you really are! Improve yourselves. Comment on what you like!
operafan0anegnd 6 months ago
@operafan0anegnd You are totattly right: virulent critics always criticise big name singers. They'd rather be thousand to criticise totally unknown singers.
But perhaps the main question remains: why do people criticise Anna Netrebko? Because they are silly? Because they are stupid? Or just... because they like Bel Canto, perhaps?! :-D
PopoliDiTessalia 4 months ago
that's bad, can not hear you. please rehearse at least ten times, mrs. netrebko ....
ricalucas2 6 months ago
Absolutely beautiful performance by Anna Netrebko!
shayrobbins 7 months ago
This dress looks ridiculous on her. It is ill fitted on her current body type. She saw this dress in the store, loved it and decided to get it even though it did not favor her. As for the singing, too/so much has been said about AN singing coloratura roles when she neither has the faculty nor facility to do so. but alas, the more people speak out, the more she goes for it. Anna Bolena, not a role for her and so is Manon. She cannot handle the role and is brazenly ducking notes.
royalbattle 8 months ago
nice dress.
thefashionair 8 months ago
super netrebko...class
fantasrix 8 months ago
She looks pretty in that pink dress.
yngtxtopetro 8 months ago
Sublime!
yngtxtopetro 8 months ago
her voice could move a mountain.
sweettyo 9 months ago
@sweettyo ... of stiropor...
amlirco 9 months ago
et vive la "brutalité" !!!!!
louisdep1 10 months ago
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VinylToVideo 1 year ago
I think her high notes could have been more full and richer than thin :/
classicalgal14 1 year ago
Thanks, you're right about Manon, but I don't agree with what you write about this particular performance. But this "super star" has such a legion of fans, that I prefer to shut up.
GoldenAgeSunshine 1 year ago
I'm not a big fan of her but I think that it was a good performance...of course, she misses the coloratura trills, stacattos etc.. but she's not coloratura; her high notes are fine here (maybe not very secure); and the style...first of all, Manon is not a nun; Anna tries to interpret the character, not only to sing it...btw I don't find her vulgar...
andreideathboy 1 year ago 2
охмарялка))))
ElenMone 1 year ago
Manon of Paris (Hilton)
sidhartafriedchicken 1 year ago
@sidhartafriedchicken For your level...maybe,
spqrmor 1 year ago
mmmmmmmm...it seems there is a little sync problem...take in account that De Billy does it between 4:45 and 4:55...however the dedication is still valid LOL!
ad80ad 1 year ago
@GoldenAgeSunshine
I'm sorry but Manon IS vulgar. So Anna Netrebko does it vulgar here, that doesn't mean she's a vulgar artist. It's like to say that Mahler is vulgar because the Landler of the First Symphony is vulgar. Congratulation for the intelligence!
On the contrary, "someone else" (I don't say names) can be vulgar even in pieces like Casta Diva. This is the vulgarity of the artist. Simple!
ad80ad 1 year ago
I dedicate the gesture of De Billy at 4:51 to all ball breakers around here.
TAKE A BREAK, RELAX YOURSELF and accept that this is pure genius.
ad80ad 1 year ago
she's a great performer. i love the way she interacts with the text, with the conductor, and the audience.
asdfopera 1 year ago
Terribly VULGAR: stop making AN a star, which is not! Open your ears! Since the very 1st notes, she's out of character and style (she has no style in French romantic opera by the way.) Manon is NOT a common, cheap, glittering operetta character. Poor enunciation, bad or non-existent phrasing, wrong dynamics, erratic coloratura, vulgar posture and attitude. Poor thing. Is THIS opera?
GoldenAgeSunshine 1 year ago
@GoldenAgeSunshine Your shitting fest wil not do! Put your bloody analysis into your ass and keep it there until you can digest all your negative shit.The morons like you are not welcome here. Just FUCK OFF, understand dude ?
spqrmor 1 year ago
@spqrmor
Well done spqrmor!
Tomorrow I will dedicate the "conducting" gesture of De Billy at 4:51 to this block-head. Body language is ever the most intelligible for jackasses like this one.
Now I'm too much sweet due to the youngest Netrebko fan I discovered, a 2,5 yo little child! ...children understand true art better than any other!
ad80ad 1 year ago
@spqrmor First of all, U should remain polite. Easy to write such horrors and stay anonymous. It's because of people like U that there's so much filth around. Hope U know you can be sued for what you write, I hope U'll be. If AN is your treasured icon, respect others' objective criticisms: she has a reputation within serious musical circles, and not the one you may believe. She's an excellent artist, yes, no doubt. But in the wrong repertoire, that's it. It closes the matter.
GoldenAgeSunshine 1 year ago
@GoldenAgeSunshine To be polite with unpolite one is nonsense! I will advise to the attorneis of Anna Netrebko to trace you down and start a lawsuit against such shamless slandering asshole like you.If I see any of you bloody comments around be sure I will.
spqrmor 1 year ago
@spqrmor Oh! I'm terrified, really! Everybody is entitled to make artistic statements and issue opinions. However, words like the ones you use show the mediocre level of understanding of that repertoire and style. A lawsuit against me? That would be soooo funny, actually! Chapter closed.
GoldenAgeSunshine 1 year ago
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orewa14 1 year ago
@GoldenAgeSunshine You wished for proof of expertise from Spqrmor. Well the names are proof of expertise from within the more than pleased audience wouldn't you say?? I am sure the credentialed list is to your satisfaction. If so, it closes the matter.
orewa14 1 year ago
@GoldenAgeSunshine Such pathos! It's bad for your body and mainly mental health! LOL YOU are this POOR THING! Have you had YOUR ears checked long ago? Obviously they are plugged with soot if you can't hear all the beauty of Netrebko's singing! You need a chimney-sweep as soon as possible! LOL It doesn't matter what nonsense you write here, nobody is MAKING Anna Netrebko a star! If you like it or not she is already the BRIGHTEST STAR! If you want to find REAL VULGAR ATTITUDE check BARTOLI, PRINA!
serenaluce 1 year ago
@serenaluce Your kind comments are sooo illuminating and purposeful to the esteemed YouTube musical community. According to what U write, U must be indeed such a revered expert. Yes, U R an expert on voice, style, and phrasing: I can see that! Thanks: I'm so delighted to have learned such a great lesson from U. U want class? As Laleyla wrote: listen (if U can) and watch Moffo.
GoldenAgeSunshine 1 year ago
@GoldenAgeSunshine Actually I agree, Moffo is a great singer and I enjoy listening to her. She is CLASS! But she is already a giant of the past. What about new stars? You think we should only live in the past? You think that all CLASS is left there? There is NO more class in any singers of modern times? You again make the same mistake as all those ignorant people who compare Netrebko with Callas. The only difference is that you compare her with Moffo now. What about her contemporaries?
serenaluce 1 year ago
@serenaluce Thanks for your comments. No, of course not, we shall not live in the past. I mentioned Moffo cuz somebody did. And I certainly do not compare A.N. to M.C.! I was saying that A.N. does not sing the scene of Cours-la-reine as it should be sung. Problems with enunciation, dynamics, P and PP, very poor phrasing, no care of the prosody (do you understand French?) And she over-acts, which is not necessary, esp. in concert. That's all! Being a beautiful charmer is not enough, I'm afraid.
GoldenAgeSunshine 1 year ago
@GoldenAgeSunshine Well, you seem to have a lot of work today to reply to Netrebko's fans!:-) I don't want to make your life more difficult that it's now:-), but I have to disagree with you. For me just to be "a beautiful charmer" is not enough either. Anna is great! She is a new bright star for a reason! Her good looks could help her only in the beginning but to be that successful for many years without talent and hard work is impossible! Also, she doesn't over-act, she is just NATURAL ON STAGE
serenaluce 1 year ago
@serenaluce I'm NOT questioning her artistry & amount of hard work. I'm saying that THIS PARTICULAR RENDITION OF MANON IS VULGAR. AN is a great artist, but what I hear here, under a STRICT MUSICAL point of view, is not NOT MANON! Other singers that night were better. But you are right that she has got TALENT, no doubt! Other colleagues on that evening score better results musically. And the PUBLIC APPLAUDING 2X right in the middle of the scene show their total IGNORANCE. FOOD FOR THOUGHT.
GoldenAgeSunshine 1 year ago
@GoldenAgeSunshine -- If Manon is not vulgar, however "innocently", she is not a good Manon. The character is a courtesan in the making; witness that by the end of the opera she has already sold her charms to one man, while supposedly caring for another. For me, even if she's not a Marchesi pupil, I think at last I have found a Manon whom I would "walk across the street" to hear and see. ...and her technique seems to keep improving...
Randidan 1 year ago
Spontaneous applause at 2.43. Audience included;
Placido Domingo, Simon Keenlyside, Ferruccio Furlanetto, Stefania Bonfadelli, Barbara Frittoli, Natalie Dessay, Michael Schade, Stephen Gould, Thomas Quasthoff, Ramon Vargas, Thomas Hampson, Diana Damrau, Waltraud Meier, Johan Botha, Piotr Beczala, Angela Denoke, Genia Kuhmeier, Adrianne Pieczonka, Krassimira Stoyanova, Simone Young, Bertrand de Billy, Franz Welser- Möst, Fabio Luisi, Zubin Mehta and Antonio Pappano.
Expert enough for you ??
orewa14 1 year ago
@orewa14 Thanks for this great list. I don't know what you mean by that. I was referring to A.N. She should indeed be included but what I heard at that specific moment, the way she sang it, was not good. One should stop keep saying all the time that that's beautiful when it's not! Like Dessay was not in shape at all, do you agree? But Urmana (Forza) was very good ... So, we're both experts, that's great. Have a nice day in music ....
GoldenAgeSunshine 1 year ago
@GoldenAgeSunshine Here is what I mean. The listed people were all there that night, It is their applause which you can hear. The applause of many of those famous opera singers and orchestra conductors in the list. So ask yourself, would musicians such as those, give such an ovation, to a singer in the wrong repertoire ??
orewa14 1 year ago
@orewa14 This mr.Golgen..Shit is real philistine.Just look what he wrote on her CD several months ago:"OMG there she's again,the little mouse who wants to move mountains.....The dullest, emptiest singing I've ever heard. She is a light lyric, nothing more, nothing less. Stick to that repertoire, Miss Glamorous b***m. Should she dare sing Norma, what will be next? Abigaille, Turandot? She's giving the wrong example to younger generations.
spqrmor 1 year ago
@spqrmor Abolutely and this is shared by many, but obviously not by you. If you think that she can tackle (or should sing) NORMA ... I fear for her future career and for the public (for those who know opera, the serious opera buffs, not the others) Your opinion is subjective. Mr Expert: according to you, what is AN's vocal color, what's the true nature of her voice? Mimi, Norina, Liu, Gilda, to some extent, Violetta and Nedda! Singing Casta Diva DOES NOT make AN a NORMA! End of the story.
GoldenAgeSunshine 1 year ago
@GoldenAgeSunshine You said it was period last time!?Unlike of you I never try to sound like an expert. Everybody's already got that you tremendous hater of Anna just looking for a drawbacks not seeng the beauty of her art.And all your negative reactions are mostly unpleasant for the people to read.What the hell are you sitting on her pages then?Don't make a fool of yourself , just quit.
spqrmor 1 year ago
@spqrmor A "fool of myself": don't worry about that! I can see that you are such an expert, so Good-bye Mr Expert! Have a great day.
GoldenAgeSunshine 1 year ago
@GoldenAgeSunshine Good bye and you mr/ms. Pseudo-expert and Hater. I wish you to hear Netrebko live.Have a good day too!
spqrmor 1 year ago
@orewa14 Singing the wrong repertoire during a concert happens more often that it should, alas. However, I recognize that AN is a great artist, no doubt. But NOT in this scene, for many reasons, too long to list here (musical, style, interpretation, rythm)! Others score a far better result (Urmana, Hampson, Keenlyside: that was great stylish singing.!) And the public did NOT ONLY applaude because of appreciation: they clapped in the wrong place, believing the Cours-la-Reine scene had ENDED!
GoldenAgeSunshine 1 year ago
@orewa14 SPONTANEOUS APPLAUSE? !!!! YES, TWICE AT THE WRONG PLACE IN THE COURS-LA-REINE SCENE !!!! Good, very good: excellent indeed. That shows how expert are A.N. fans! How they know the repertoire! Living proof of what I've said before. So end of the story.
GoldenAgeSunshine 1 year ago
@GoldenAgeSunshine Who do you think was in that audience ??
Hint: read the list. Now do you still say they are inexpert and ignorant of suitable repertoire ?? Do you say the Pope is not a Catholic or that the Sun is cold??
orewa14 1 year ago
@orewa14 The listed artists were participants and were not present in the hall to applaud "la prima". Some of them for sure were not happy to share the stage with her. "Sold out" and Art are not categories of the same level (although I'm sure the event would be sold out even w/o AN but my remark was general).
amlirco 1 year ago
@amlirco Then my source must be mistaken. Who did the cheering is important, considering that whoever they were, they have been denigrated as collectively possessing an uneducated palate. You are right about Waltraud Meier, she is second to no one.
Do you know that some of the artists were not happy to share the stage with
Anna Netrebko ?? If so, you will be able to name them.
orewa14 1 year ago
@orewa14 Look, I don't want to enter this discussion. For me it's clear and neither you nor any expert could convince me AN was not highly overestimated in any sense and I'm surprised that she was brought forward by people who must have substantial background and musical education but evidently "sold out" appeared to be >>...>> significant than the Art.
I simply suggested participants were not clapping fervently in the hall after AN's perfomance. And no, I have no evidence someone was unhappy.
amlirco 1 year ago
vulgar...
pappappero0o 1 year ago
Cheap and tacky as always. For class and musicality see Moffo at the Bing gala 1972.
Laleyla 1 year ago
@Laleyla Sorry but you're unfair to Anna. Of course Anna Moffo was beautiful, talented and full of charm and musicality. But with every your damn click you always return to AN's pages to listen to her, so I guess she also has the above degnities as well as composer's level standing and extraordinary charisma.
spqrmor 1 year ago
Brava great singing, fabulous acting. Anna maintains not only "youthful sound " but also her youthful body is back !!! She looks gorgeous.
09avenger 1 year ago
@09avenger
yes, i noticed the body too, she's back!
asdfopera 1 year ago
Excellent performance! She's maturing in the role, especially in the nuances of the music, and even sang some very good trills (despite one rough high note)! Her voice seems to get thicker and larger every day, but mantains the lyricism and creamy youthful sound that still allows her to sing these girlish roles. I see nothing vulgar about her, because we all know she's not the first Manon to focus more on the character's sensual, "carpe diem" aspects. Manon isn't a saint, and this IS a recital.
Homoclassicus 1 year ago
That's always awkward when the audience applauds in the middle of your performance.... twice
vivsters96 1 year ago
Errata corrige...seems that Rimbaud taught us that The Beauty is bitter BEFORE this Gavotte was written.
Une saison en enfer = 1873, Manon = 1884.
Fantastic...go on Anna!
ad80ad 1 year ago
BTW...I think the episode at 4:48 already did the history of music, especially the gesture of the conductor LOL. Thank you Mr. De Billy, we really need that, these times. I dedicate this candy to all "opera aficionados" over the world. I hope everyone catches the irony ;-)
ad80ad 1 year ago
She shows us that under the pleasant surface of this music there is all EXCEPT a conciliatory and reassuring meaning. Like in Baudelaire poetry: all is beautiful, but under that there is a scandalous thought that could make blush every docker. Massenet is French, the Maudits are coming, Rimbaud is going to find The Beauty "bitter" and many French literature masterworks of the time remained on the Index a lot of years. Anna could go even further in that but for the moment it's OK.
ad80ad 1 year ago
Su voz está cafda vez mejor.
reinadegrillos 1 year ago
This is GREAT! Anna's singing is much better here than I have ever heard in this song.
operagirlify 1 year ago
I saw her do this at The Royal Opera House, She is fantastic! It was a wonderful evening!
Carolynnhall 1 year ago
Il clou della serata di festa popolare con Anna Netrebko: off pitch and bad taste, as always.
amlirco 1 year ago
@amlirco Absolutely you are right! Ma guardi i commenti antipatici e osceni che mi sono preso per aver osaaaaato criticare la A.N.: volgare, pessimo gusto, musicalità fuori posto per il Cours-la-Reine. Trasforma questa scena in un operetta, nella quale sarebbe eccellente del resto! Gioca con il fisico per compensare .... Un robot cantante senza nessuna anima: il francese 6/10, l'italiano 7/10. Ma chiaramente vende CD e DVD perché gli ignoranti non conoscono il repertorio. Saluti.
GoldenAgeSunshine 1 year ago
@GoldenAgeSunshine Veramente, pochi osano a criticare ciò che è ampiamente accettato come normale e di valore nelle cosi dette "alte" sfere. Ma ti saresti dovuto essere preparato per una reazione simile.
A me personalmente non m'interessa di sapere chi sono stati presenti a questa festa popolare. Mi fa schifo che AN puo' essere considerata la prima nella presenza di una Meier per esempio.
Qualsiasi tipo d'arte si puo' trasformare in volgarita quando non si rispettono certi limiti.
amlirco 1 year ago
Una maravillosa Manon, gracias por compartirla ;)
leporello89 1 year ago