Sonic 3k PC "Ice Cap act 1" Music "General MIDI"

[theHouseCat]

Finally! I've been looking for this version. I had the PC version of Sonic 3 & Knuckles, and this was the music. I personally like this better than the "real" version.

[AustinOnSugar]

Why do I feel like this was a major inspiration for - what was it called? - Ice Paradise from Sonic Advance 2?

[ZNemerald]

1)goes to pcversion and say genesis is better for no reason

2)???

3)profit

[FalzarZ]

I like this version better. It fits with the morning snow with the endless water.

[BlueHylton7]

@FalzarZ

your in a ice cave most of the time

[FalzarZ]

@BlueHylton7 a beautiful and shiny ice cave

[Matheus29001]

The best version of Ice Cap!

[TheLeon1408]

i think that tune fits better to sonic than the sega genesis version! genesis version is good too but this one is a bit better XD

[Adam060756]

This pisses all over Jacko's Ice Cap.

Much better in my opinion and it fits more with an icy cold feel.

[Jami393]

@Adam060756 I think it's shit compared to the original. The original is better.

[Adam060756]

@Jami393 That was a quick reply!

I uploaded a true 16-bit FM-YM2612 version of this tune and it sounds 100x times better than the shit MJ and his crew did in Sonic 3 on Mega Drive.

[Jami393]

@Adam060756 What have you got against Michael's original version of the song, when Sega did this Midi version of the song it just sounds horrible. And I wouldn't mind hearing this 16 bit version of yours.

[Adam060756]

@Jami393 I don't hate him, just his awful music in Sonic 3.

There shouldn't be any voice sampling in Sonic music.

[Jami393]

@Adam060756 I thought it was a good idea and worked really well.

[Adam060756]

@Jami393 But the voice sampling is a bad idea to put in a limited sound chip as it interferes with the main drum track.

[Jami393]

@Adam060756 But in my opinion Michael and his sound team did prove one thing and that is, you don't need drums all the time make a good song. Too bad Michael didn't like it much though.

[lilmattere]

@Adam060756 what would launch base zone sound like without the HEY and the GO sounds and the mini boss theme with the COME ON sounds. Thats the only time I like the voice idea

[lilmattere]

i love this!

[SOUTHWESTENZ]

why did they make a new sountrack for pc?

[WaddleDee105]

I don't get why people think this doesn't "fit" Ice Cap. It still sounds like it belongs in a Winter Wonderland zone, but it's just more upbeat. Theo original Genesis track is an overall better piece, but I love hearing this one, too. :)

[SonicSuperDash]

We all know the orignal one is better people, but this one is awesome..you have to admit it!

[nesbroslash]

Not bad, but it doesn't seem very Sonic-y to me. Maybe if it was a higher tempo it would be better.

[UNLOVEDisBACK]

They had legal issues, because the originals sounded like MJ songs (as they were intended to) he PC version of things are WAY different from originals, but hey they still tried :/

[ReallyRandomMovies1]

put this in snes games

[MNW413]

No offense to pc owners but the genesis version is WAY better.

[4methyst]

No.

[megamanfreak321]

sounds like somthin from one of the megaman x games

[wschmrdr]

Remember, back in 1997, two wave files could not play at the same time. Therefore, instead of using a CD soundtrack and thereby giving people the music to easily play in a CD player (a la Interstate 76) and because you couldn't easily put it on a loop, they used MIDI. MIDI follows a score, and therefore you can't have vocals, and so the music had to be changed. Scandal or no scandal.

[NTxC]

Abomination....

Genesis version ftw.

[Matrix803]

OMG! I used to love humming along with this tune when I played it on my laptop! 8D

[LOUMAYN]

this is more like ice crap. original one is greattttt :)

[Sixcorby]

I actually like this over the genesis version.

I think the genesis is just too much.

[TheUltimateMario9]

I prefer this to the genesis version, the

Genesis version is too dark for me,

plus i grew up listening to THIS instead,

so it's weird hearing that version, as i never knew it exsisted untill i played the

original version.

[BuzzsawtheHedgehog]

TheClarinetThief is right. We shouldn't bash BOTH versions of the Sonic 3 soundtrack. The only reason why the original tracks were replaced in the S3&K Collection for Carnival Night, IceCap, Launch Base, the Sonic 3 Credits, and a few other themes is because of the Michael Jackson scandals that broke out. They're both great, and I could care less if M.J. made the Genesis music, because it is great music. So to the Sonic Fanboys, QUIT WHINING ABOUT WHICH MUSIC IS BETTER!!! Is that so hard to ask?

[FireStarw]

That and launch base and miniboss S3 use a lot of voice samples.

[BuzzsawtheHedgehog]

True dat. But who cares if they had voice samples, it still was great. And the whole Sonic music debate started since Sonic CD, which pisses me off. They're both great, and I wish people would just STOP ARGUING about music. Personally, I enjoy the Genesis music more, but the PC version has my favorite track, Launch Base Zone Act 1.

[nypad5]

megadrive music ALL SOUNDS THE SAME. every game...uses the same freaking sounds and sound effects. It all sounds so crappy.

[chaoshouse]

Just to point out: Play the original LEVEL, THEN play this, you will realise the genesis fits in more with a more cold tune.

[jjbjjohn]

Michael JAckson composed the MD/ Genesis version for Ice Cap

[TheClarinetThief]

Ugh, quit bashing the PC music! I bet if this music was in the Genesis and the other music on the PC, I bet you would just bash the PC music because it's "different."

I like them both, but this is more nostalgiac because I grew up with the PC version. -_-

[jedihunter176]

Me too! I grew up with the S3&K collection...ah, good times...

[Sega8891]

Both versions have great music but I will always like the Genesis/Mega Drive version of the music better!

[mclace]

THANK YOU! everyone know the new PC version of this song is better thant the original.

[footbigmike]

I looked it up. You're wrong. The same ROM was used for all regions. The Japanese ROM has identical music to the other versions.

[footbigmike]

watch?v=j08_U8iURzU

SEE WHAT YOU MADE ME DO!

[CobaltBW]

Shut up, hippie.

[HerbyHippie]

Oh why, oh why did I pick this username?

I failed to realise that it was such an insult!

Peace ;D

[Maymona13]

When I first heard the Genesis version, it made me move my hips and it still makes me move me hips. When I first heard the PC version it made me cringe, and it still makes me cringe.

[Pageboy72]

Let's get this straight, the ORIGINAL (good) Ice Cap tune had too many similarities with a Michael Jackson (long controversial story) song, so it was removed and replaced with this song.

[HerbyHippie]

This is the original one. It's the original Japanese version!

[manuelschi]

its incredible the diference between the original and this!

[HerbyHippie]

This is the original Japanese version.

[greengreen31]

Uh! This is just dreadful compared to the original!

[HerbyHippie]

THIS IS THE ORIGINAL!!!

[greengreen31]

No, it really isn't. The PC version was released in 1997 while this was released in 1993 - 94. This music was created for the PC (in 97) when they found that they could not process some of the music from the ---original--- game onto PC and so made new tunes such as this one.

[shadow524951]

@greengreen31 Actually in the US the PC version was released in late 1996. If you have the Sonic and Knuckles collection on your computer check the help file.

[wschmrdr]

@shadow524951 That could have been when the build was compiled.

[RedLink27]

@greengreen31 Well, this tune was specificaly made for the PC version, however, it's more of a remix. Listen to Crystal Egg Zone from S2 on the Game Gear and you'll see what I mean.

[footbigmike]

This is not Ice Cap.

[WockesZero]

it is

[WockesZero]

Still Ice Cap, but for the PC

[footbigmike]

OK, well, technically it's the music that plays during Ice Cap Zone. But it's just not good. It doesn't capture the atmosphere that the Megadrive version does, it's completely different. All of the original Megadrive tunes are far better than the PC version's.

[MonictheDemon777]

i liked this UP BEAT FAST PACED more than that depressing slow motion

Sonic the Werehog speed song.

this was a epicly AWESOME song!

[sonikku1011]

The original is much better, but this one isn't that bad! And I already know why they had to replace the original song, one it sounded like Michael Jackson's "Who Is It?" and at the time the sound cards in PC's couldn't properly play the right MIDI and WAV sounds they used for the original tune, so they had to replace it with an original piece.

[pokerockmario123]

MJ is death : (

[sonikku1011]

I know. :( RIP MJ your moonwalking your way up to heaven.

[Alignn]

@sonikku1011

Most of the tracks are the same barring new instruments though, I think there was some other reason for changing the tunes completely like they did with Ice Cap and Launch Base zone.

[wschmrdr]

@Alignn yes: vocals cannot be placed into a MIDI.

[Alignn]

@wschmrdr

Ah, that explains it rather neatly.

[Cupcom5]

@WockesZero

i was just about to say why it sound different, never played the pc version, but its pretty catchy!

[BLEAHGames124365]

@WockesZero No. It's not. It's sega's lame attempt at covering the original Michael Jackson music up so that nobody would complain.

[TheVideoGameFreak100]

@WockesZero No It's not RETARD

[ToushiroHikaru]

To Me This Theme Sounds Like Something That Would Come Out Of A Mini-Game Of Some Sort

[fanoultimate]

Ice cap, Launch Base, Carnival Base, Knuckles theme, Minor Boss theme, and the Credits theme was composed by Michael Jackson.

Proof

info(.)sonicretro(.)org/Michae­l_Jackson

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en(.)wikipedia(.)org/wiki/Soni­c_the_Hedgehog_3#Music_controv­ersy

[manuelschi]

actually not "made" but yes stolen the base of the music and make it with some differences

[bigpowa]

to be honest, i enjoyed the PC version of the song alot more than the oringinal. it was such a happy cheerful feeling snowboarding to this music

[GmelMkII]

I remember playing through the PC version, because I didn't have a Genesis, to find this song instead of the original Ice Cap music I loved. I was disappointed, and I actually called the manufacturer or whatever to ask what the deal was. I don't think I got a decent answer, but looking back, I guess this song is alright. I like both versions.

[brainstewX]

The answer has to do with issues with Michael Jackson. He worked on Sonic 3's music, but he was dropped from the project cause of molestation allegations. So they changed some of the music in other ports of the game.

[Rael0505]

Wrong. They changed the music because MIDI can't handle the the voice samples such as the "go" in Launch Base and other various voice sounds in Ice Cap and Carnival Night. There is no legitimate proof Michael Jackson had anything to do with Sonic 3, and I'm inclined to believe he didn't.

[brainstewX]

Voice sounds in Ice Cap? When?

And no, they would have just left the voice sounds out when re-writing the song to MIDI instead of creating an entirely new song.

Thanks for telling me what you 'believe', as if your beliefs are legitimate proof. There is evidence MJ worked on Sonic, so save it.

[Rael0505]

Just because a couple of songs are similar in style doesn't mean it was composed by the same person at all. That kind of music was extremely popular in the early 90s and Michael Jackson became a bit of a bandwagoner anyway. Also, Mr. credible-sounding-sophisticate­d-accent in the video doesn't know jack **** about music theory. He totally spat out BS about the chord progressions (aka lying).

[Rael0505]

Another thing - I am an admin at Sonic Fangames HQ, and we held an interview with Howard Drossin, one of the actual music composers listed in the credits. He said he has never heard of Michael Jackson having any involvement with Sonic 3.

[brainstewX]

Rael0505, there is a sound clip in the ROM of Sonic 3 taken directly from Jam. watch?v=qRtEZ3c3EJM&feature=re­lated

Starts at 39 seconds.

[Rael0505]

Ice Cap and Who Is It really aren't that similar. Just because two songs share somewhat similar chord progressions does NOT mean they are composed by the same musician. There are millions and millions of songs that share similar chord progressions but were made by entirely different artists. If you don't know that, then you must not understand how music works.

Also, the "Jam" sound is just an orchestral hit. I've heard it in countless 90s pop songs. It does NOT belong to Michael Jackson.

[brainstewX]

I do understand how music works and I never mentioned anything about chord progressions. Talk to me and stop arguing with that straw man, little boy.

Countless 90s pop songs eh? Be so kind as to name one.

[Rael0505]

If you're not talking about chord progressions, then how are Ice Cap and Who Is It similar? And if you've never heard an orchestral hit in music, especially 90s pop music, then you must really know nothing about music. Just check out the bucketheads.

Looking for similarities between video game songs and Michael Jackson songs is the complete wrong way to go about things anyway. Songs can be completely stylistically similar and be composed by different artists. I'm done with this conversation.

[brainstewX]

When did I say anything about Ice Cap and Who Is It? Again with the straw man arguments I see.

Which Bucketheads song has an orchestral hit with the word Jam in it? If you can't name one I'll just assume you made it up, but we both know you did anyway.

Yes, please be done with this conversation. You've only been putting words in my mouth and simply saying "you must really know nothing" as your 'proof'.

[Varukiri]

Michael Jackson's personal sound production team (Brad Buxer, Doug Grisby III, Bobby Brooks, Darryl Ross and Geoff Grace) are also composers for sonic 3's team. is that a coincidence too?

after the controversy of jackson's sound team, drossin and Jun Senoue finished the remaining tracks. so that may be why he never heard of it.

[dnlhern]

Agreed.

[amozy]

This is abit too happy for such an evil level. lol

[dnlhern]

Nah, Ice cap zone is not evil...

[Xaragon64DS]

I liked PC carnival Night better than GEN.

This...*belch* ugn...why?

It's happy annoying snow land! Not "You're half way there! Don't turn into Super Sonic, or else the music can't be heard!" land.

[SusakeKes]

what happend to the awesome ice cap zone music?????

[jedihunter176]

@SusakeKes It's right here!

[MrChimpburger]

Ah, Michael Jackson. If you didn't screw up, the terrible music of the PC version would not have existed.

[jomon324]

I actually heard both, and I lean a little more towards this version, because it has more variation in it. Just my opinion, but yeah. I also think I might like this one better because I heard this one before I heard the other one.

(I have been a sonic fan since I was 4, and I am in high school, so no, I did not just jump on the bandwagon if someone was going to say that.)

[ShadowtailsFmafan17]

wow thats the ice cap hidden song!????

[glooper01]

No, it's a version found only in the PC version.