Is Islam a Religion of Peace - Andalusi and Seymour vs. Qureshi and Wood - 02 - Rebuttals

[allahisacont]

andalusi was totally owned by Nabeel and David. well done guys....

Andalusi was giving dumb answers

[campbellnova]

WOW how can they blame christians for what the rulers of countries do?

[shabirmansour]

I = i

S= steal

L= lie

A = and

M = mueder

the time is coming we will exterminate all muslims

from earth they have nothing except BEANS and LIES to offer the time of charity is almost up. the social aid is running out for you.

we will help in a short time to go for your orgy heaven in yout PIMP of allah.

[shabirmansour]

this muslim guys believe by screaming their dream become truth.

look at him just lies in any angle.

[gotherealex]

islam is a malignant cancer...

[naved555]

read all my comments that i send before.. dont come and start useing bad word.. if u dont have knowaldge of ur religion then stop leaveing comment for no reason..

[naved555]

dear... do u even believe in jesus or not.. do u think jesue will say anything wrong..do u believe that jesue was send by god alimight.. if u do . then.. i give u so many refreance from ur on bible.. that jesue pbuh .. talks about muhmmad pbuh him.. that he will come after him.. if u believe in jesue pbuh then u should believe in muhmmad pbuh. if u dont ur love is falls.. if u think christion mean's a person who follows teaching of jesus pbuh then. we muslaim r more chrstion then christion's.

[naved555]

i hope that today all those peopel that against muhmmad pbuh him they will understiand and read all my comments and i pray that may allah swt.. Godalimight guied you all to the right path.....inshallah,,ameen

[naved555]

The Sprit of Truth, spoken about in this prophecy referes to none other than Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)

NOTE: All quotations of the Bible are taken from the King James Version.

[naved555]

I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth is

come, he will guide you unto all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me".

[naved555]

4. Gospel of John chapter 16 verse 12-14:

[naved555]

Holy Spirit was already present on earth before and during the time of Jesus (pbuh), in the womb of Elizabeth, and again when Jesus (pbuh) was being baptised, etc. Hence this prophecy refers to none other than Prophet

Muhammad (pbuh).

[naved555]

Some Christians say that the Comforter mentioned in these prophecies refers to the Holy Sprit. They fail to realise

that the prophecy clearly says that only if Jesus (pbuh) departs will the Comforter come. The Bible states that the

[naved555]

Paracletos is the warped reading for Periclytos. Jesus (pbuh) actually prophesised Ahmed by name. Even the

Greek word Paraclete refers to the Prophet (pbuh) who is a mercy for all creatures.

[naved555]

"Ahmed" or "Muhammad" meaning "the one who praises" or "the praised one" is almost the translation of the

Greek word Periclytos. In the Gospel of John 14:16, 15:26, and 16:7. The word 'Comforter' is used in the English translation for the Greek word Paracletos which means advocate or a kind friend rather than a comforter.

[naved555]

3. Gospel of John chapter 16 verse 7: 

"Nevertheless I tell you the truth; it is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not

come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you".

[naved555]

. Gospel of John chapter 15 verse 26:

"But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which

proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me."

[naved555]

All the prophecies mentioned in the Old Testament regarding Muhammad (pbuh) besides applying to the Jews also hold good for the Christians.

1. John chapter 14 verse 16: "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever."

[naved555]

In the Hebrew language im is added for respect. Similarely im is added after the name of Prophet Muhammad

(pbuh) to make it Muhammadim. In English translation they have even translated the name of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) as "altogether lovely", but in the Old Testament in Hebrew, the name of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is yet present.

[naved555]

4. prophet Muhammad (pbuh) mentioned by name in the old testament:

Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is mentioned by name in the Song of Solomon chapter 5 verse 16:

"Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh wa Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem."

"His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is altogether lovely. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters

of Jerusalem."

[naved555]

3. Muhammad (pbuh) is prophesised in the book of Isaiah:

It is mentioned in the book of Isaiah chapter 29 verse 12:

"And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned."

When Archangel Gabrail commanded Muhammad (pbuh) by saying Iqra - "Read", he replied, "I am not learned".

[naved555]

iv) Both brought new laws and new regulations for their people. Jesus (pbuh) according to the Bible did not bring any new laws. (Mathew 5:17-18).

2. It is Mentioned in the book of Deuteronomy chapter 18:19

"And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not harken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him."

[naved555]

iv) Both besides being Prophets were also kings i.e. they could inflict capital punishment. Jesus (pbuh) said, "My kingdom is not of this world." (John 18:36).

v) Both were accepted as Prophets by their people in their lifetime but Jesus (pbuh) was rejected by his

people. John chapter 1 verse 11 states, "He came unto his own, but his own received him not."

[naved555]

Words in the mouth:

Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was unlettered and whatever revelations he received from Almighty God he repeated them verbatim.

"I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him."

[Deuteronomy 18:18

[naved555]

iii) Both died natural deaths. Jesus (pbuh) has been raised up alive. (4:157-158)

Muhammad (pbuh) is from among the brethren of Moses (pbuh). Arabs are brethren of Jews. Abraham (pbuh) had two sons: Ishmail and Isaac (pbut). The Arabs are the descendants of Ishmail (pbuh) and the Jews are the descendants of Isaac (pbuh).

[naved555]

However, it is Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) who is like Moses (pbuh):

i) Both had a father and a mother, while Jesus (pbuh) was born miraculously without any male intervention.

[Mathew 1:18 and Luke 1:35 and also Al-Qur'an 3:42-47]

ii) Both were married and had children. Jesus (pbuh) according to the Bible did not marry nor had children

[naved555]

If these two are the only criteria for this prophecy to be fulfilled, then all the Prophets of the Bible who came after

Moses (pbuh) such as Solomon, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea, Joel, Malachi, John the Baptist, etc. (pbut) will

fulfill this prophecy since all were Jews as well as prophets.

[naved555]

The Christians say that this prophecy refers to Jesus (pbuh) because Jesus (pbuh) was like Moses (pbuh). Moses (pbuh) was a Jew, as well as Jesus (pbuh) was a Jew. Moses (pbuh) was a Prophet and Jesus (pbuh) was also a Prophet.

[naved555]

. MUHAMMAD (PBUH) PROPHESISED IN THE BOOK OF DEUTERONOMY:

Almighty God speaks to Moses in Book of Deuteronomy chapter 18 verse 18:

"I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and I will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him."

[naved555]

The Qur’an mentions in Surah Al-Araf chapter 7 verse 157:

"Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (scriptures) in the law and the Gospel".

[naved555]

before you say anything U should go re search dont follow this fool.. and read all my comments i wan to clarify something about muhmmad pbuh him.. from bible.. U guys dont even read ur bible and come here start commetning wiht bad minner's come on peopel wake up..

[dontletithappen]

04:00 "He got crucified of His own fault because He criticized the Pharisee's." Because He criticized the Pharisee's?

I know Islam teaches Jesus was never crucified so ...

I thought this Muslim debater would have some correct knowledge of what occurs in the New Testament, for example,  why Jesus was crucified.

[starwave1967]

if islam was a religion of peace, it would be clear and there would be no need for such a debate

[Ni1234ckA]

AFTER WATCHING THIS:IF ANY MUISLIMS DARES TO TELL ME IN THE FACE THAT MOHAMMED WAS A PEACEFULL PERSON - I 'LL SPIT HIM IN HIS FACE.

[quranresponse]

Deuteronomy-ch-21-vs-12

12- You must then bring her into the mist of your house. She must now shave her head and attend to her nails, 13- and remove the mantle of her captivity from off her and dwell in your house and weep for her father and her mother a whole lunar month; and after that you should have relations with her and you must take possession of her as your bride and she mush become your wife. 14- And it must occur that if you have found no delight in her, you must then send he

[dane18owen]

i cant understand a word skullcap says....

[enzoslr]

Yes, Islam is a religion of peace. I can guarantee you that. Come to Islam, come to Prophet Muhammad. we Muslims welcome you with open arms! ~peace

[ADAJ3]

@enzoslr did you watch the whole debate? the last revealed surah tells muslims to fight people who don't believe in allah. 098.006 Those who reject (Truth), among the People of the Book (Jews and Christians) and among the Polytheists, will be in Hell-Fire, to dwell therein (for aye). They are the worst of creatures.

[jamestrekky]

i've so many things to say..but here's just one. The muslim says the caravans they raided contained objects stolen from them, so it was ok.......so is this a religion of peace???

be careful of mulsims, if you steal from them, they can kill you becayse it's ok according to Islam.

[exposemyfoes]

@jamestrekky EYE FOR AN EYE U STEAL FROM US WE'LL WHOOP YOUR ASS AND WHAT

[RockStudioLive]

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[friendofsina]

Is it me or it seems that all Muslim apologetic are nothing my bumbling fools? I have yet to listen to a debate involving a Muslim and being convinced by him! If I had to pick one the two religions after many debates I would choose Christianity for sure.

[exposemyfoes]

@friendofsina U LIKE CHRISTIANITY BECAUSE U AINT GOT TO DO ANYTHING ITS A LAZY RELIGION THAT WORSHIPS A MAN CARRY ON SINGING IN THE CHURCH

[wellhard11]

once again the muslim losses the debate the non muslims quote fact and teachings of the hadith and quran but yet the muslims are rabbling on about lies.

[hawklanzs]

too bad those Muslims who crashed the planes into the twin towers doesn't agree with you Seymour. Too bad.

[HaligonianType1]

Does everyone just simply forget the Q'uran was written 600 years after the Bible? Doesn't this negate the whole Christianity vs Islam issue? How is one faith valid over another one that came about centuries before??

[ShubanRajim]

man wood brings up these arguments and every single debate and gets a logical explanation for all of them and a great rebuttal and he just keeps asking to refuted over and over again the guy is just so inconsistent!

[pakiporks]

u muslims are full of nonsense and lies.

[AllahsCreation]

mashallah lovely answers & the point about caravans is getting realy played out now.

bringing this up just imbarreses christians..

why bring something up when is so easy to understand, so simple, so just.. if someone takes something of yours by force, do you just do nothing about it & hope holy spirit will bring it back one day? the answer is NO.. you have every right to take your belongings back..

i cant belive christians take David & Qureshi Serious

Peace

[Dynaverse]

you mean why we take honesty serious?

its quite self explanatory.

Christians are honest!

[KickIslamOutofWest]

@AllahsCreation the only ones there were embarssed here were the Muslims.

You are so brainwashed and stupid not to see how you Muslims have been crushed .

Islam is a death cult of violence

[xandras711]

Dirka dirka muhamed jihad!

[bennySoldier]

i knew of about a dozen, realy good arguments against Islam, but i think the fact that mohammad raped a woman after the battle of khybar, is one of the strongest.

[penkallli]

Yes o cross worshippers keep proving my point

[yahya2006]

I've never met a Christian who worships the cross.

But you worship the black stone, don't you?

[penkallli]

We didnt take a symbol that prophet Muhamed didnt take when did Jesus make the sign of the cross in his life, or celbrate easter, prophet Muhamed did haj and we do as he did !

[bennySoldier]

Luke 9:23

And He was saying to them all, "If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross daily and follow Me.

thats very different to  Mohammad kissing the black stone

the pagans kissed the black stone and performed the Hajj, and we find these pagan practices Soaked all through out Islamic traditions

why is that?

is it because Mohammad didn't receive revelations from god? is it because Mohammad was grew up in pagan Mecca?

what seems to be the logical conclusion?

[penkallli]

Again speaking without knowledge, Kaba was built by Abraham and Ismael, the hajr rituals were sanctioned by God in quran and hadith by the prophet, while the cross, easter and what not wasnt sanctioned by Jesus; as I said u take Pauls letters to people to be words of God, or a biography with clear contradictions, and Jesus wasnt there to sanction them, by comparison we have Quran recited by prophet Muhamed himself, we dont take his letters let alone letters of others be divine..

[penkallli]

As for a book called Injeel, again speaking without proper islamic understanding, Quran is recital in english, its called book too, but the quran is the recital not only a written version; so it doesnt mean there was a book written, it was what Jesus said, what was revealed to him

[bennySoldier]

we have absolutely no evidence of Abraham and Ishmael building the kaba, in fact Sarah told Hagar and her wild donkey of a son(gen 16:12) to get the hell away from her family over 600 years before the pagans built anything like the kaba in mecca.

Mohammad is probably the worse source for historical data you could ever use.

you say Pauls letters were not sanctioned by god, Ummm who told Uthman to burn all the Qurans? did Mohammad? did Allah?

besides was kissing theHijre Aswad sanctioned by god?

[Tchado1000]

Nor do we have evidence that a bunch of dead saints came out of the graves and walked the streets of Jerusalem,or that Nebuchadnezzar destroyed Tyrus, in fact if you go to occupied Palestine and check the ruins , there is no evidence of the kingdom of Solomon,according to the Israelis, and don't forget the over whelming historical mistakes and contradictions of the bible

So i think the bible is a worse case for historical info.

So Ishmael is a "wild donkey" , I'm not seeing what this has to do

[penkallli]

Where the book Assumption of Moses mentioned in the Old Testament, and many other books, the bible doesnt record everything what happened,

wild donkey of a son is exactly-such words are exactly evidence of the bible not being a divine book, Ismael was a prophet even the language is better in the quran it doesnt distinguish between prophets,

Again Uthman didnt burn qurans he burnt manuscripts, and he was a companion of prophet Muhamed so were all of the collection comission, unlike Paul

[bennySoldier]

this debate was settled 200 years ago when Jesus resurrected.

you can argue all you want, the fact remains...

Jesus rose from the dead and there is absolutely no evidence for Islam

[Tchado1000]

WHAT FACTS ??? Show me the facts that he rises from the dead .

No evidence for Islam , do some reading....

[bennySoldier]

well we have the early creed that has been dated no later then five years from first Corinthians 15, we have martyres who gave their lives proclaiming that the had seen him risen, the empty tomb is a historical fact i could go on and on...

we have biblical prophecy that was fulfilled, Isaiah 53, psalms 22, zechiria12:10, Isaiah 9.6.... i could go on all day about messianic prophecies....

but what do we have for islam? umm a bunch of completely flawed arguments like scientific insights, Garbage

[Tchado1000]

"the early creed"...not an argument since there were other unitarian churches at the time preaching other messages like Jesus not being God or getting crucified

martyrs....thats according to "Acts" , a book written by an unknown writer that claims people died preaching the resurrection , but once looked in history it doesn't seem likely , for example peter was killed for "defiling the temple" , and others for other charges , not because they were preaching trinitarian christianity.

[Tchado1000]

biblical prophecy...thats just a load of crap ! for real

I just finished watching some lectures by Jews debunking christianity from the point of OT prophecy , and I gotta say , they are right !!! you people are ridicules !

Not one of those prophecies actually refers to Jesus , thats just your imagination , 300 prophecies my ass.

Many of the alleged fulfilled prophecies aren't prophecies in the first place !!! and some are distorted and misquoted in NT , therefore proving its not the word of god

[Tchado1000]

1- Fabricating prophecies

a small example (there are dozens of these scattered around the NT) :

a challenge to any christian....1000$

Mathew 2:23

"and he went and lived in a town called Nazareth. So was fulfilled what was said through the prophets: "He will be called a Nazarene."

WHERE DOES ANY PROPHET IN THE OT PROPHECIES THE MESSIAH BEING A NAZARENE ???

Let me save you your time , it doesn't exist , who ever wrote Mathew has no knowledge of the Hebrew scriptures.

[bennySoldier]

i will give a Muslim One Million dollars if they give me one argument for Islam that isn't flawed.

I leave the challenge for you.

[Tchado1000]

Ok how about this Islamic argument "Jesus is not God" , if I prove this I get a million bucks ???

[MirroringTruth]

I don't have a "million" nor do I bet, but this statement doesn't suprise me as Islam appeals to ones "carnal" nature, but fire away, start your argumentation. In stead of coping and pasting a billion items at one time that you consider proof, just allow us to address each one and have a civil conversation.

[Tchado1000]

Sure thing , I believe in civil conversation , not coping and pasting , I'll send you a msg tomorrow since I'm kinda busy today , the Isiah 53 points I'm going to make needs at least 10 these boxes.

and we will discuss the divinity of Christ , and other matters.

and don't take me to be an close minded person , if you actually make a logical argument and it turns out to be the truth , I might become christian.

[bennySoldier]

isaiah 9.6....

no, why should i reject early testimony...

give a single argument for Islam that works.

every single argument for Islam is horribly flawed in someway or another.

so i have no reason to accept what an Ishmaelite rapist wrote down in a diary of poetry, 600 years later.

[MirroringTruth]

You're not understanding the prophecies does not mean the Jews of the time didn't. Christ was often called " בן נצר, "Ben Netzer" because of residing and being taught in Nazareth, and Netzer also meaning "rod or branch" which is a reference to Isa_11:1- " A shoot will come up from the stump of Jesse; from his roots a Branch will bear fruit." Instead of writing a check, simply make a donation at mahomettube

[Tchado1000]

More fabricated prophecies....

Luke 24:46 vs. The Entire Old Testament

He told them, "This is what is written: The Christ will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day"

Can somebody find me that scripture please ??? because 61 times in NT , when ever a writer writes "This is what is written" means a quotation from the OT , and I'm not giving Luke an exception .

[bennySoldier]

well if you new anythinag about the old testament you would know it was written in Hebrew and about 12 chapter of the book of Daniel in Aramaic, and the new testament in Greek so the words translate differently....

and yes it is written that the messiah will suffer... read Isaiah 53,

[Tchado1000]

Isaiah 53 is not a messianic prophecy in the first place ! and its a GENERAL (not specific) prophecy referring to the children of Israel.

the OT written in Hebrew has nothing to do with the argument I made , I proved that the NT is not inspired because whoever wrote it (definitely not the holy spirit)was misquoting to the OT , fabricating prophecies ,and LYING !

Many of the claims in the NT begins with "as in the scripture" or "as the prophets of old said"...etc

BUT we are not finding them !

[MirroringTruth]

This is incorrect. From the beginning of 53 it talks of one person, and no matter whom you think this "one person" is, it certainly isn't talking about the "children of Israel(plural)"

I showed that the prophecies did exist and some of the Jews of the time recognized this. There's always going to be those that remain blind, like the Pharisees of the time, and the Muslims of today.

Your inability to "find" them means you have a closed heart. And sadly that will be your eternity.

[bennySoldier]

so when it says

"he was pierced for our transgressions" that refers to the children of Israel?

i can see why you are so highly skeptical, because you believe what a what Mohammad wrote, this is circular reasoning with eternal consequences

[Tchado1000]

Actually it does

the problem with the christian understanding is that they take Isiah 53 as a whole CHAPTER out of its context.

Isiah 53 is one of 4 writings about the suffering servant , that begins with Isiah 41.

then try reading Isiah 52 , 53 , 54 in a row and see what understanding you will get , where does Jesus fit in ???

Why do I say its a reference to the children of Israel , one must ask , who is the servant ??? you then you read in the OT

"Israel , Thou art my SERVANT"

[Tchado1000]

I'm not highly skeptical , I just read scripture as it is in its context , if it was a prophecy for Jesus , I would've accepted it.

as for the singular , Israel and Judah as a nation are referred to in the singular form many times in the OT , I'm not seeing any difference in Isiah 53.

Read the scripture then come back with a comment

[bennySoldier]

i have read Isaiah many times....

i am also interested in what you think of Isaiah 9.6, (written 1300 years before sura 112)

please enlighten me on how i am misunderstanding this verse

[Tchado1000]

Isaiah 9:6 , nice prophecy , unfortunately is DOESN'T point out that Jesus is God , once you check the Hebrew text .

and the fact it was 1300 years before sura 112 doesn't mean shit really , since humans wrote whatever they want in the bible , and you people actually think they were inspired !

[bennySoldier]

well, i think i am going to trust Isaiah who was actually in the prophetic line instead of some seventh century ishmaelite caravan trader pedophile who had absolutely no idea about the Jewish and christian scriptures.

[Tchado1000]

Bla Bla Bla....Go follow your racist God who has a bunch of chosen people and a prophetic line...which I can never understand....

Actually whoever wrote the Christian scriptures has no idea of the Jewish scriptures ! which is hilarious once you consider how many miscitations and false prophecies you find the NT that claim to be from the OT

Check out Rabbi Asher Meza and Rabbi Singer as the DESTROY the NT using the OT

[bennySoldier]

show me a verse....

ill point out clear proof that the Koran was from a man, sura 5:116 Mohammad thinks the trinity is made up of God, Jesus and Mary....

what is he talking about? its not Christianity.

besides, your not going to deny that Mohammad raped little girls, then why should i believe he was the greatest prophet of god,

you haven't even tried to explain this...

please try in your next comment.

[Tchado1000]

I can show a LIST of verses !

first of all Sura5:116 has nothing to do with the trinity , the trinity is condemned somewhere else in the Quran and verse doesn't speak about the trinity , it condemns taking Jesus and Mary as Gods in the first place

hmmm Muhammad as a rapist , nope , non of my sources say that , unless you are going to use the fake Safya story and the concubine myth

some recommended reading :

What Safya (and every wife of the prophet) has to say about the Prophet .

[Tchado1000]

as for verses , lets start with these simple ones:

Acts 7:15-16 stats that Abraham is burried in Shechem...WTF ??? Every 5 year old Jew or Muslim knows he's buried in Hebron , read it for yourself in Genesis 23 , how come whoever wrote Acts doesn't know?

Acts 7:14 , the number of people is 75 , but every jew knows according to Genesis 46:27, Exodus 1:5 & Deuteronomy 10:22 that the number is 70 ! what kind of inspiration is this that cant even get historical facts correct ??

[Tchado1000]

Here are some verses which I hope you can help me with , referring to the scriptures (OT):

John 7:38 "Whoever believes in me, as[a] the Scripture has said, streams of living water will flow from within him."

Luke 24:46"He told them, "This is what is written (in the scriptures): The Christ will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day"

DO YOU MIND SHOWING ME WHERE IN THE OT DO THESE QUOTATIONS EXIST ???

an extra challenge

Matthew 5:43 . where does "hate your enemy" exist in the OT?

[Tchado1000]

Here are some other MISQUOTATIONS you can check out proving whoever wrote the NT has no idea what Jewish scripture is....

Hebrews 8:7-9 vs. Jeremiah 31:32

Ephesians 4:8 vs. Psalm 68:18

Luke 4:17-19 vs. Isaiah 61:1-2

Romans 9:25 vs. Hosea 2:23

Romans 10:5-9 vs. Deuteronomy 30:10-14

Romans 3:10 vs. Psalm 14:1-3

[Tchado1000]

Your NT from the VERY FIRST PAGE of Mattew and Luke disqualifies Jesus as the Messiah ! No wonder No Jews believes in Jesus as the messiah (except Jews for Jesus , what a bunch of idiots)

according to 2 Sam 7:12-13 the Messiah has to come through the seed of David through Solomon.

In Matthew 1:11 , you find Jeconiah , this man's seed is CURSED according to OT , wtf is he doing here ??

In Luke's genealogy , it uses David's other son Nathan , not Solomon , therefore Jesus isn't the Messiah

[Tchado1000]

Now as a Muslim , I believe Jesus is the Messiah , the anointed servant of GOD , so either the NT got their genealogies wrong , or the OT got the idea of who the Messiah is wrong , in both cases , what kind of inspiration is this ??? clearly whoever wrote these alleged inspired books of the NT has no knowledge of Jewish scripture , or the Jewish scripture which you base the NT on is a corrupted text.

In any case I believe the whole christian bible , OT & NT are corrupted texts , so I don't care

[Tchado1000]

and here are the verses from the Quran condemening the trinity , as you see if the quran comments on the trinity,it actually mentions it,sura 5:116 is condemning take Jesus and Mary as gods in the first place.

"Say not Trinity.. ...Allah is only one God" Surah 4:171

"They surely disbelieve who say: Allah is the Messiah, son of Mary" 5:72

"They have truly disbelieved those who say God is one of a trinity" Surah 5:73

Say not three! (Trinity) ..." 4:171

[bennySoldier]

i still have not heard any reason why i should reject or the early eyewitness testimony about the life of Jesus and listen to what some Arabic man living 600 years later, who enjoyed having sex with little girls had to say abpout jesus,

Please give me a reason.

you seem to be dancing around this issue, if it is that embarrassing, why are you a Muslim?

[Tchado1000]

All i presented and you still want to take their testimony ??? Fine with me , I ain't the one losing here .

No I didn't dance around it , I just said its not recored in my sources and I asked you for some if you don't mind , unless you don't have any....

[MrGrandDragon]

Who said he enjoyed anything? It was not perverse in fact it was necessary especially in those conditions in the same way it was necessary for him to marry a lady many years older than him during his younger age. This debate has NOTHING to do with the Bible, the topic is about Islam.

[MrGrandDragon]

Oh by the way you want to know why we should take the Bible seriously?

Sure thing, go to MuslimByChoice his Youtube channel and search his database. You will come across an IPCI event where a Muslim man gives an entire lecture as to how weak the Bibles are.

[aheartoflion]

@bennySoldier What you are saying about Muhammad (PBUH) is not correct?? Your sources are incorrect, or you are just buying here says. If you want to learn about Muhammad (PBUH) or Jesus (SA) please read Quran. This is the only book Muslims believe in. It

[MrGrandDragon]

Yes of course it was a reality by the time this verse was revealed. The Christians would worship three or take them as worship

[MirroringTruth]

No problem. Christ paraphrases a bunch of verses from the Torah in this verse.The Messiah suffering Isa 50:6, Isa 53:5-11 and God taking 3 days to 'raise us up" in Hos 6:2. As well as making reference to the time it would take for Him to rise, he also makes reference to him being God by referring to this verse, as the Jews would have known this was "God" that would do these things in Hos for us.

[Tchado1000]

This argument can backfire at you easily,breaking bread and drinking wine has been invoked with pre christian pagan cults as well,so does the belief in the trinity and a savior God who comes to die for the sins of the world.....so why do I find all these in the christian traditions and faith??

Islam makes it clear that it is the corrector of all faiths , hajj can trace itself back to the Sabians (people who followed god) ,not just to the Pagans who perhaps stole it from them,I don't know really

[smokeybirdman]

@yahya2006 Bless you for being honest and searching for truth. Also for clarifying that Christians dont worship the cross.

[urfriend98]

@yahya2006 ahah good point brother .we worship Yeshua the risen savior Jehovah

[Nazam44]

@yahya2006 The Black Stone has had an interesting history during the Islamic period. In 930 AD a ruler of Bahrain - who belonged to a branch of Ismailism known as the Karmatians - sacked Makkah and carried the Black Stone away for some 70 years until it was ransomed. In the process, the Black Stone was cracked. It is now held together by a silver band.

[Nazam44]

@yahya2006 The fact that Islam was able to function without the Black Stone for 70 years is one of the best illustrations that it is but a marker for Tawaaf - and NOT an object of worship.

[Nazam44]

@yahya2006 Umar came near the Black Stone and kissed it and said "NO DOUBT, I KNOW THAT YOU ARE A STONE AND CAN NEITHER BENEFIT ANYONE NOR HARM ANYONE. Had I not seen Allah's Apostle kissing you I would not have kissed you." BUKHARI: Volume 2, Book 26, Number 667:

[williamveen]

Israel is one example of how Islam is NOT the religion of peace!

[williamveen]

Summing up why would any woman follow a false prophet who calls himself prophet muhammad when he clearly was a pedophile. he committed murder, he raped, he married his daughter in law and did other sickly deeds. Do you follow a sinner? Or do you repent and follow somebody who was sinless like Jesus Christ??? Ask me 4 a document I have on comparing Christianity with Islam. Is Islam the religion of peace? Since the prophet muhammad, Islam has been forever at war.

[exposemyfoes]

@williamveen how do u know jesus was sinless u aint got no reliable documentation on jesus and please dont even try to call the gospels a real account of his life and arab christians must also worship the moon god because they believe in allah

[starwave1967]

@williamveen your double deluded,

[penkallli]

False prophet ? Look whos talking, compare prophet Muhamed and others in the bible and see who is a prophet ! thats why ur a kafir, a disbeliever, dont try to teach us our religion PERIOD

[bennySoldier]

umm, some Ishmaelite, who had sex with a nine year old girl is your true prophet?

forget it.

[williamveen]

Read first about the life of Jezus Christ and then compare it with the life of muhamed.

[williamveen]

There are 2 doors. Behind DOOR NUMBER 1 is the Son of God, Jesus Christ, that lived a perfect sinless life. Jesus is the closest thing to God. In DOOR NUMBER 2 is a man called the prophet Muhammad who had sex with children, raped, murdered, stole and committed acts of war. Now choose a DOOR that reflects the person you are, and the person you want to be.

[penkallli]

Jesus is the closest thing to God ?! Jesus was a man first and foremost a prophet, as for being the closest thing to God, well calling the samaritans dogs, (which I doubt) is not so close,

As for prophet Muhamed murdering, raping and other allegations its just propaganda against him, I really wonder how christians who supposedly have to be honest, lie

[penkallli]

Muhamed was like Moses not like Jesus every prophet had their mission, one of the things christians fail to comprehend

[exposemyfoes]

@williamveen u worship a man who used to sit on a toilet HOW PATHETIC

[bennySoldier]

mohammads mission was from satan, to deliver an anti-Gospel.

Jesus didnt die, Jesus didnt resurrect and Jesus wasn't divine... those things happen to be the gospel, and Mohammad denied all three... the new testament repeatedly states that false prophet will come into the world and change the gospel... and what did Mohammad do?

you will confess Jesus is lord, in heaven or hell, your choice.

[penkallli]

We believe in the Gospel sent down to Jesus, not anonymous books,

Jesus is a prophet not God, this is what ur going to answer before Allah not us

[bennySoldier]

can you please provide evidence of any book called the gospel that was sent down??

no you cant, that's because Mohammad had no clue what the gospel was, he thought it was a single book.

don't exchange bad theology for historical fact.

[penkallli]

The Quran specifies what gospel is and tora is, not anonymous books on the life of their prophets; Torah sent down to Moses or Gospel sent down to Jesus, thats what we believe, what u have today is mostly lifebiography of Jesus, and many contradictions, if u take letters of Paul to a congregation to be word of God, we dont take letters of prphet Muhamed to Byzantium to be words of God, thats the difference

[bennySoldier]

once again i ASK for evidence of a book that was sent down called the Ingeel (gospel),

....No response

Mohammad was ignorant of what the Good news was.

Regardless this debate is over, it was settled 2000 years ago when Christ rose from the dead, confirming The true gospel and proving Mohammad to be nothing but a false deluded spiritually unstable Liar!

But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! (gal 1.8)

[Tchado1000]

"it was settled 2000 years ago when Christ rose from the dead"

No , not really , that myth hasn't proven as fact 'till this day.

I recommend you read a book called "The Myth Maker" , its about Paul and his letters.

[forzaitalia2]

'it was settled 2000 years ago when Christ rose from the dead'

it really has been proven and it hasent been proven other wise. your 'myth maker' means little...as is confirmed in the quran, paul is a prophet sent by Jesus.

you demand Evidence for the bible? I demand Evidence that you have an other Bible that proves the bible flawed!

[Tchado1000]

LOL !!! Ok Paul is confirmed as a sent prophet from Jesus IN THE QURAN ???? I need to see this.....I remember reading a lame refuted article by Sam Shamoun about this , and I know the verse , let me see what your argument is , and I hope its not his .

and "myth maker" is just a recommended reading book , its not what I rest my case upon.

again , I'm not seeing any evidence that Jesus rose from the dead , so please enlighten me .

[forzaitalia2]

you know the argument for Paul being sent By Jesus in the quran...is it the same level argument muslims have as Muhammad in the bible?

[Tchado1000]

I demand evidence that the book called "The Bible" is the Injeel.

I don't believe that a book created by bunch of saints who had the mythical being called the holy spirit helping them,sat down with a bunch UNKNOWN books and manuscripts,and decided which goes in and out of the canon as the inspired word of God

If Jesus comes down now ,and u give him a bible, he might "What the hell is this?"

So it seems like U don't know what the Good news is,its definitely not someone coming to die for your sin

[penkallli]

Its enough to for all to see how these christians bring and twist hadiths, like Prophet Muhamed hitting Aisha ?!?! hahaha, this is old old stuff, and bringing sources disproved by muslim scholars ages, like in Tabarani states Hind was killed when Meca was taken while we know in Buhari and other sources that Hind embraced Islam, incredibly weak weak

[penkallli]

When nonmuslim sneezes Prophet Muhamed taught us to say to them: Yahdikumullahu we Yuslih Balakum-May Allah guide u and improve ur situation--Sahih Tirmidhi

--Why would a muslim pray for a nonmuslim if were to kill them ?!?!?

[ahmalala]

muhammad taught many and contradictory things throughout his life. His teachings where kinder towards non muslims while he was in mecca early on cause he wanted to as many followers as possible. When in Medina he changed and such attitudes where no longer taught.

[bennySoldier]

i think the fact that Mohammad's teaching went from that of peace to that of war, once he had an army fighting for him, is very telling.

I believe that the fact that his revelations always were about justifying his behavior, whether it be about his wives or the battles he fought, is very evident of their human origins.

[penkallli]

Why do u talk without knowledge ?! why do u make fools out of urself and say such stupidity that old orientalists use !! Its amazing when kuffar try toteach us our religion, hehehe, now ur going to tell us tafsir classes, and science of hadith as well

[bennySoldier]

he also taught,

"sneezing is from satan"

its not surprising that seventh century Arabia was full of superstitions and these ended up in the Quran and hathis.

[penkallli]

Where did he say sneezing is from Satan ?! As for fighting just look at the old testament or jesus return, or if ur atheist look at ur secular wars, colonial, world wars,vietnam, Maci, Stalin and list goes on and on, in all battles maybe 1400 were killed while in todays democracies millions are killed, dont talk about who is more peaceful

[bennySoldier]

i will admit openly that the old testament has passages of extreme brutality, yet it starts off violent and becomes peaceful as Christ bring in the new covenant,

Muhammad's teachings went from that of peace to that of war.

I thank God that we don't go backwards like Ishmaelite prophet tries to drag us.

And as for Christ's return being that of violence?. How utterly desperate are you to try and find a reason to make Christianity seem violent, to point to Gods Judgment that he will carry out.

[penkallli]

Jesus didnt abrogate the Law, even the part where Jesus supposedly forgives the whore is proven as later addition to the bible;

Its interesting u as secular democrats whether u will protect us nonchristians from ur "God" when he comes ? How can u justify one killing as just killing and the other as violent, incredible...

[bennySoldier]

you made an assertion to say that this is a later addition,

can you please point to one of the 5,000 Ancient Greek manuscripts that don't include this?

The bible has never been through anything like the Quran, we know as a historical fact the Uthman deleted suras and missed many ayas, when he burnt all the other Quarans.

we have evidence of this even Aisha and ibn misud noticed that Uthman lost parts of it.

what does it matter, Mohammad was a false prophet anyway.

[penkallli]

its known that the story with the whore is a false story of the bible;

AS for Uthman deleting surahs, really just dont speak stupid things

Uthman wasnt accused not even by his own enemies of tampering with the quran let alone IbnMasud haha, where do u get these things, incredible

If Muhamed was a false prophet what about those of the old testament for whom we have no evidence they existed or sleapt with 1000 women like Solomon ?! Again double standards