@Tobypaws2002 sure...if you're listening for the voices as foreground. Try to adjust your perspective, and instead expect to be listening to a saxophone piece, with the voices as accompaniment, you'll hear a totally different effect. Plus it's Jan Garbarek, what else did you expect?
@Tobypaws2002 Perhaps the muddled sound you are hearing is due to the recording equipment or the acoustics of the room or position of the listener. I completely agree with @snillocgrom's comments. If you want to be stuck in the same old same old classical music, feel free. But let the rest of us go along with the natural evolution of the music. I'm sure it is what the composer would have wanted.
Omg, the title totally reflects what I feel when my husband listens to this stuff.
The four guys sing a song and Garbarek does some totally random stuff on the sax, that not only has nothing at all to do with the melody or rhythm of the song, but is also played so loudly that it overpowers the voices.
It just sounds so random and uncoordinated. Like Jazz.
@janeyanna Jazz is not random or uncoordinated. It's the fact that you do not understand what is going on that you think it is random or uncoordinated.
The important thing is that art (musical or otherwise), challenges, confronts, confounds and causes debate. Otherwise it is so much wallpaper or background noise.
The original poster of this piece felt compelled to ridicule it in public and just look at the response.
For what it's worth I have followed the career of JG since the late seventies, I have not loved all his work but I always listen to him, he is original and experimental and occasionally sublime. He is Norwegian by the way.
indeed.. a structured and organized sound destroyed by the into of the 'jazzy sax'.. I assume the producer was trying to juxtapose vocal structure with an 'unstructured' instrumental component. FAIL.
"How To Destroy a Magic Moment With a Sax: Hilliard Garbarek"
Ca ne serait pas plutôt votre enregistrement qui est très mauvais, en plus de votre esprit fermé et votre ironie ridicule ?
Il n'y aurait pas des musiques qui s'adressent plus aux gens qui ont de l'imagination ?
Qu'il y ait des petits esprits réactionnaires on le sait, cela existe depuis toujours, mais pourquoi toujours ce besoin compulsif de l'exprimer ????? Détendez-vous un peu...
When you saw the advert for the show did you think Garbarek was a guest vocalist? Assuming you know who JG is, when he walked out on stage with a saxophone did that give you some kind of heads up as to what might happen during the concert?
Heard them live this year, sounded perfect, the atmosphere and the performance {e.g.walking around the hall etc.]added to the experience.May be it is the recording,making it sound too mixed.
j an garbarek est le deuxieme meilleur saxophoniste le premier etant un montois qui etait prof au conservatoire royal de mons et ayant etudier avec les plus grand
@ThatsnewsTV it really doessound like a battle. I think there must be a lot wrong with the vid or the live balance. Some things which sound great after hours in a studio and re-mixing just do not work live. On here, with the poor quality and no studio fireworks, this made for hard, hrash listening.
Jan Garbarek is Norwegian. He is also one of the most exquiste saxophonists alive today. Garbarek & The Hilliard Ensemble have produced a coupole of albums together, albums I believe you might treasure forever once you've had a listen. - Don't be fooled by the bad sound recording in this clip: it's terrible, but that's not because of the performers! :-)
aren't you destroying their moment with your comment? and am I not trying to destroy your comment with mine? and won't you try to destroy my comment with rebuttle? why don't you go buy a book you don't like and burn it.
try and listen to the CD's brought out by the Hilliard Ensemble in collaboration with Garbarek... they are truely excellent, the combination of the ancient chants and modern saxofone brings you into extacy. Then I am sure you will not give it a title as for this video
How did it destroy anything? I liked it. Sounded pretty good, and I bet it'd sound better live. You know how recorded saxophones usually have a really abrasive sound.
Why anyone feels compelled to write nasty hatefull comments is beyond my comprehension. Are you of that small a mind that you cannot accept and leave well enough alone? I hope that you (all) feel better now that you have spread your bitterness just a little bit further.
I honestly feel very sorry for all of you that your life consists of having to mock and ridicule that which you don't understand,cannot appreciate or cannot do.
I saw this paring live...it is brilliant!!! Don't judge the sound quality...judge the music!
Garbarek just might be the most original sounding known sax player on the planet. Yet he is essentially ignored within the american jazz community...wonder why??? ;o)
you are right. that's often the problem with non-professional clips. at the end you are not doing a favore to anyone... i heard this quintett in zurich, grossmünster and it worked fine.
oh yeah no! u r right, vocalists singing in a tenoro alto style, and that being the foundation of fugue is not at all baroque!!! its romandinc!no i think its metal!! didn;t they have done it too? for your information that kind of musical stracture of 3 voices is around before baroque era. do your history lessons.
in fack i liked it a lot, and i am a composer of both baroque and rock music.. i dont think its something done in a night, the musicality is corect, the sax player is a good one, the voices are great and it doesn't sound bad, just diffrent.. so all the principals of art are satified i cannot understand why is it a disaster? i think your main argument is the diffrent kinds of musiv mixed together, but remmber, we live in our time and mysic is about going forward.
Yesterday I was on a Hilliard Garbarek concert that was in a basilica when the voice of the singers and the sax had place to mix and fade. Like wine tastes best from a wine glass not from a shot. As Garbarek improvises to the songs it depends on his mood and the circumstances how it succeeds so sometimes it might not meet the taste of the audience. But it is not fair to judge him based on this short video. The concert was pure wonder.
lol, i thought it sounded awesome, but i can see what some people would be saying.
seriously, look up some of the original recordings of jan garbarek with the hilliard ensemble, this recording dosn't do it justice, the sax is way too loud
Garbarek è un grande sassofonista, ma in questa operazione (che io trovo sostanzialmente commerciale) è francamente insopportabile. La purezza della polifonia e la pasta di suono dell'Hilliard Ensemble vengono fortemente disturbate da articolazioni strumentali estranee al contesto.
First of all I am almost positive that this piece was written for the Ensamble by a contemporary composer. They were hitting some pretty jazzy chords. Just because they sing with two tenors and a countertenor doesn't make it liturgcal or chant.
But the voice leading and overall tonality does. You can tell that the chords are not completely using tertian harmony, which does make it chant. The only jazz oozing out of any of this is the soprano sax.
To be oh-so-purist and down and declare it a shame about this rather beatiful combination has been old 10 years ago...actually, more than 10 years. Go watch some 'pure' classical music, and let Hillard (who apparently thought it was a terrific idea, just like a lot of people including me) decide what they do.
I don't get what's wrong with jan's playing... maybe volume levels are a bit screwed up but he plays in tune and adds nice touches here and there and that's what you ask from your musicians...
i dont know about what you want from musicians, but surely there are some off tune notes and the saxo spirit he is using can only be insulting for the moment created by the choir, maybe its meant to be like that, in that case good JOB! :D try jazz punk later ; )
Jan Garbarek has an incredible sax sound that any sax player would be envious of. However, don't shoot Jan, it's the fault of the sound recordist that it just drowns out the Hilliard Ensemble!
Jan Garbarek's sax sounds absolutely great! Always! I suggest you to buy "Officium": it's the album by Hilliard Ensemble and Jan Garbarek.. and you'll get rid of what MAGIC SOUNDS are! And next time I suggest you also to think once again over what you're gonna write befrore doing it!
This sounds really awful, water and oil, those cheesy tunes on the sax... Maybe it was a bad day for Garbarek, and the ensemble gets a smoother mix with other pieces, but this one sounds like shit, and it has nothing to do with the recording.
Garbarek is a genius as are the Hilliards, the comments on this video pay testament to just that, the trouble here is someone has taken a poor recording and tried to sensationalise it in a shallow attempt to gain high viewing figures onYouTube.
¿Destroy a magic moment? You can not record music in this quality!! THIS is the problem. You should record proffesional musiciens with profesional stuff. Fair play man.
I agree with 100 %. He should change the headline. I love Jan's music and I go to his concerts whenever I have the opportunity. His music is an enrichment to my soul. Headlines like this make Jan angry about posting his music at Youtube, understandable. Jan: Consider it as a good publicity!!
never heard anything it. this video must either be of garbarek's worst day ever or what ever device was used for recording just is crap. they are on tour right now and I can only recommend seeing them.
I have watched Jan Garbarek and Hilliard Ensemble live in Votivkirche church (Wien 2001), and this sax of Jan Garbarek is abosolutely phantastic and in accordance with Hilliard Ensemble. This clip is bad recorded with lowcost camera or mobile phone with built in compression, and you can't judge this Garbarek/Hilliard project only on that amateur record. Buy Officium or Mnemosyne and listen this great mustic professionally recorded.
I think exactly like YOUZURK, but unfortunately this is one of the things that it's necessary to make at our days, to enlarge the audience of such beautiful musics: cover up them with the unfounded banalities of our days'sounds. It brings business, first of all.
Say that this sax is stupid, I think is also stupid.
I mean, the sensibility must be enough open, for example to understand Picasso, or something it goes trough the common traditional taste.
I mean there can (better must) be a dicernment about apreciation of beauty. Otherwise you put your mind very narrow, and hear always the same music, like animals in a farm eat the same meal every day. Humans have a creative potencial mind to develop, not the opposite.
Yes, I agree ! But what I think about this video, is that the acoustic is very bad. It's maybe in a church or something like that. More sincer I must say. I hear normaly jazz and clasic music. I know Jan Garbarek, since many years. The first time I heard him, it sound me strident, but, with little time and listening more I "learned" to aprecciate it. Because I think it's sound is not common, but doesn't mean bad. It's just very good !! Hear this video with Ali Khan, it's just pure beauty:
I own dozens of ECM recordings. My least favorite moments are the Garbarek solos. I think Manfred mixed him too damn loud, and I do think he is too smooth and noodley most of the time. I wonder what Wayne Shorter thinks of him...
me too. i like this very much. the sound quality of this is quite bad but i still like it! great sound, great accoustic there, great mix of saxophone and gregorian choral!
Why is this moment ruined? Dude, if you don't like the song, then don't listen to it. There's a lot of music that I could go around saying was ruined because of one instrument or something. But I don't, because I'm not ignorant and I'm not the ultimate judge of what's good in music. Get over yourself.
"...and I'm not the ultimate judge of what's good in music."
But you are the ultimate judge of what you, personally, like or dislike in music. Everybody has a right to their own taste in music, and also a right to express said taste in front of others.
psychicSnow; Just because you don't like a particular performance doesn't mean it's bad you ignorant f*#@wit. Try keeping your ears open and your mouth shut you might actually learn something.
mr. paedo1690, while I understand that your limited musical experience might preclude your being able to realise the utter worthlessness of such a presumptive and arrogant a musical experiment as this (even less interesting or beautiful than even John Cage's experiments in 'simultaneous performance'); I find your rudeness and piss-poor attempts at being insulting less excusable. Don't comment on things you know nothing about, you nauseatingly stupid cock-sucking witch.
and by the way, there is no such thing as arrogant musical experimentation. experimentation is just to see if something works.. clearly you dont think this does, but you are one of the few.
arrogance is present however, all through your rant.
i'm issuing a fatwa against jan garbarek. he is the epitome of naff smoothness, here clumsily stuck on top of the hiiliards in their most automatic, we've-really-started-to-lose-interest mode of performance. why oh why oh why?
Just because you don't like a particular performance doesn't mean it's bad you ignorant f*#@wit. Try keeping your ears open and your mouth shut you might actually learn something.
1- Jan Garbarek is one of the most important and purhaps one of the best experimentalist musicians actually;
2- those who argue against this kind of experimentalism are retarded conservatives... who must know the whole work of Jan Garbarek and The Hilliard Ensemble joined together!
tell me mr Hugosax, as i am such a "retarded conservative" and unable to figure it out for myself, how is this "experimentation"? They have taken 600-year-old intricate vocal harmonies and dumped dull, ultra-smooth-edged sax playing over the top, with (seemingly) no attempt made to actually marry the two together. Seems more like the most crass, bland commercialism to me.
If you think Garbarek is "ultra-smooth-edged sax" one can only conclude you have very little knowledge of the instrument, or are ignorant. It is true to say that some of the Hilliard / Garbarek collaborations did not entirely work, but some of it was actually incredible. That is characteristic of experimentation, the very thing you are claiming this is not.
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dolphy/coltrane/ayler/brotzmann/parker: experimentation. garbarek: what the fuck is he even thinking? boring boring licks. LICKS for fuck's sake. aren't we past that by now? but this point is subjective, we could argue 'til the cows come home. Your second point, however, is just plain dumb.
Have you heard any of Garbarek's early '70s stuff? It's much more aggressive, and very Ayler-inspired. It didn't hurt that he was working with Terje Rypdal and Jon Christensen, too, though.
If I make a video of two CD players, one playing Dunstable's Veni sancte spiritus, the other Louis Armstrong's Potato head blues, no-one would say "My, what an interesting and worthwhile musical experiment!" they'd say "You're an idiot". That is, except for you. You're an idiot.
psychicSnow: Your "Licks" remark is perhaps the ultimate cliche. You have placed yourself firmly beyond reason. Nice to know I won't be dealing with your sorry ass next time I go see Jan Garbarek.
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nope, just you and a few other pretentious ECM-worshipping assholes who actually believe Garbarek makes interesting music. The ultimate cliche, by the way, is actually 50 Cent's awesome video to "I get money". But I'm sure you already knew that, if not, you obviously have very little knowledge of hip-hop, or are ignorant. Tell me, are you facetious because you're self-opinionated, or the other way round?
psychicsnow - You're coming across as musically misguided, as well as basically a rude dude with personal problems. One of those people who play America's favorite YouTube Game: Exhibit Your Symptom! If you'd stop trashing artists and listeners and just listen, you might make some progress, as well as grow some class.
thanks for the advice. what i had failed to realise is that youtube is a place for serious discussion of even the most mediocre of music. I only hope it is not too late for me and that i can make some progress, and one day be as classy as you and less misguided.
Don't worry so much about being as classy as I am. You can find your own simple, decent path. Just make sure to listen to good music, love generously, kill only when necessary, and get plenty of soluble fiber. Oh, yeah, and try not to ramble mean-spiritedly and ignorantly on YouTube.
You keep referring to me as behaving/writing "ignorantly". What is it that I am supposedly ignorant of? Perhaps the reason that anyone could be pretentious enough to actually feign enjoyment of music as trashily and pompously pseudo-"highbrow" as this. I will happily remain so. Your class is in your head, kiddo
If only i had known that to disagree with other people's taste when it comes to "arty" music is incorrect, and that the reason i don't like this is because i am stupid, not because of the music itself.
Yours in deference to your infinite arrogance, psych
You're not saying much about the music. Just hurling bitter words. Damn, you're mad! By the way, my class isn't only in my head. I have thighs that have been described as "regal" and "please stop that".
And Cecil Taylor. And fine wine. The suppleness of tender thighs. Grilled cheese. Freedom, compassion and self-determination. Ren and Stimpy. South and North. Controlled, consensual violence, and big hugs. Taunting the foolish, then buying them a beer if they can hang in, give back and not lose it. Live well, dude. Be a better person this year.
I like this: Guy walks into a bar, followed by President Bush, a donkey, two nuns and a rabbi, a blind chimp, a talking duck, and three hookers carrying a rubber chicken. The bartender says (drum roll): "what is this...a joke?!?"
kid, I don't care how many Adiemus CDs you were swindled into buying, and I'm not trying to defend whether or not you enjoy this rubbish. Only that it is not "experimentation", by any definition of the word, and that there is much better performed (Orlando Consort for one, except for the Perotin) and less lazily imagined (see: modern music) music out there.
The only thing that has destroyed this magic moment is the recording (not having ago it is great to see a vid of this up) not the sax. This is one of the greatest collaborations there has been in music and anyone saying they dont like it is simply lying. i want to see it done live so badly! i can go and see the Hilliard ensamble though which is nice. thanks for the vid by the way.
YouTurk, thanks for the post. When and where was this performed? I presume at the time of either Officium or Mnemosyne. You chose a provocative title so petefrancisco's response was, indeed, predictable. The collaboration certainly did annoy many jazzers and early music evangelists. Me, I think the albums are wonderful.
The title you chose for your video: "How To Destroy a Magic Moment With a Sax: Hilliard Garbarek," is quite mean spirited. Jan Garbarek is aknowledged by Manfred Eicher to be a musical genius, but, as Einstein so aptly said of the kind of mentality that posts such a comment as yours "Great spirits have always encountered opposition from mediocre minds. The mediocre mind is incapable of understanding the man who refuses to bow blindly to conventional prejudices..."
Petefrancisco, let me say that your post was predictable. Everybody knows that Garbarek is great, a genius ect. Firstly, I mean to joke about this title, then I'm just expressing my point of view. I'm as that child who shouts ingenuously " the king is naked!". Anyway, I thank you for your post, maybe you could have appreciated what you have seen and listenned, so this video is also for you.
@SarSuch Explain it to me, then.
janeyanna 1 month ago
What a racket ! the sax drowned out the voices...
result : muddled sound...
didn't like it.
Sure, experiment, but in my humble opinion,
this was a mistake and doesn't add anything, it's more of an intrusion,
like someone trying to get in on the act.....
Tobypaws2002 6 months ago
@Tobypaws2002 sure...if you're listening for the voices as foreground. Try to adjust your perspective, and instead expect to be listening to a saxophone piece, with the voices as accompaniment, you'll hear a totally different effect. Plus it's Jan Garbarek, what else did you expect?
snillocgrom 4 months ago 2
@Tobypaws2002 Perhaps the muddled sound you are hearing is due to the recording equipment or the acoustics of the room or position of the listener. I completely agree with @snillocgrom's comments. If you want to be stuck in the same old same old classical music, feel free. But let the rest of us go along with the natural evolution of the music. I'm sure it is what the composer would have wanted.
chrishildebrant 3 months ago
Omg, the title totally reflects what I feel when my husband listens to this stuff.
The four guys sing a song and Garbarek does some totally random stuff on the sax, that not only has nothing at all to do with the melody or rhythm of the song, but is also played so loudly that it overpowers the voices.
It just sounds so random and uncoordinated. Like Jazz.
janeyanna 9 months ago
@janeyanna Jazz is not random or uncoordinated. It's the fact that you do not understand what is going on that you think it is random or uncoordinated.
SarSuch 1 month ago
The sax sounds too loud, that's all
lector06t 11 months ago
The important thing is that art (musical or otherwise), challenges, confronts, confounds and causes debate. Otherwise it is so much wallpaper or background noise.
The original poster of this piece felt compelled to ridicule it in public and just look at the response.
For what it's worth I have followed the career of JG since the late seventies, I have not loved all his work but I always listen to him, he is original and experimental and occasionally sublime. He is Norwegian by the way.
noelcardew 11 months ago
indeed.. a structured and organized sound destroyed by the into of the 'jazzy sax'.. I assume the producer was trying to juxtapose vocal structure with an 'unstructured' instrumental component. FAIL.
hwoods01 1 year ago
"How To Destroy a Magic Moment With a Sax: Hilliard Garbarek"
Ca ne serait pas plutôt votre enregistrement qui est très mauvais, en plus de votre esprit fermé et votre ironie ridicule ?
Il n'y aurait pas des musiques qui s'adressent plus aux gens qui ont de l'imagination ?
Qu'il y ait des petits esprits réactionnaires on le sait, cela existe depuis toujours, mais pourquoi toujours ce besoin compulsif de l'exprimer ????? Détendez-vous un peu...
iamwhatiamification 1 year ago
When you saw the advert for the show did you think Garbarek was a guest vocalist? Assuming you know who JG is, when he walked out on stage with a saxophone did that give you some kind of heads up as to what might happen during the concert?
silvi01977 1 year ago
Maybe he expected JG to play *with* the singers, not *over* or *against* them.
janeyanna 9 months ago
Heard them live this year, sounded perfect, the atmosphere and the performance {e.g.walking around the hall etc.]added to the experience.May be it is the recording,making it sound too mixed.
goodstorylover 1 year ago
j an garbarek est le deuxieme meilleur saxophoniste le premier etant un montois qui etait prof au conservatoire royal de mons et ayant etudier avec les plus grand
juju0797 1 year ago
It seemed to be a battle between voice and sax. Could be faulty mixing.
ThatsnewsTV 1 year ago
@ThatsnewsTV it really doessound like a battle. I think there must be a lot wrong with the vid or the live balance. Some things which sound great after hours in a studio and re-mixing just do not work live. On here, with the poor quality and no studio fireworks, this made for hard, hrash listening.
pianomags 1 year ago
The only serious problem is volume. If he muffled it the whole time it would be tolerable.
BaronVonLichtenstein 1 year ago
youzurk si ntesya di cazzu
gioseminerio 1 year ago
YES! YES! That is what I am thinking every time I hear the Hilliard Ensemble with Garbarek!!! And I thought I was the only one!!!
Antisthenes1 1 year ago
The next thing I expect to see when hearing this Sax is naked girls dancing.
Don't get me wrong I like Garbarek. But I prefer his old stuff, like Afric Pepperbird .
Antisthenes1 1 year ago
Jan Garbarek is Norwegian. He is also one of the most exquiste saxophonists alive today. Garbarek & The Hilliard Ensemble have produced a coupole of albums together, albums I believe you might treasure forever once you've had a listen. - Don't be fooled by the bad sound recording in this clip: it's terrible, but that's not because of the performers! :-)
ArifJD 2 years ago
There`s plenty of good recordings by H.E. to choose from, why bother listening to this one you hate?
k1ltro 2 years ago
Ridiculous Title....
NiniClarineta 2 years ago
Strange fusion...
luc137 2 years ago
aren't you destroying their moment with your comment? and am I not trying to destroy your comment with mine? and won't you try to destroy my comment with rebuttle? why don't you go buy a book you don't like and burn it.
nagoyago 2 years ago 2
try and listen to the CD's brought out by the Hilliard Ensemble in collaboration with Garbarek... they are truely excellent, the combination of the ancient chants and modern saxofone brings you into extacy. Then I am sure you will not give it a title as for this video
FrankRebers 2 years ago 13
I totally agree with the title of this video!
Fader45 2 years ago
I liked it. Great.
Guinizelli777 2 years ago 2
that was in fact pretty good
the sound was a bit harsh in the end but it could just be the record
Mast3rchief 2 years ago 3
How did it destroy anything? I liked it. Sounded pretty good, and I bet it'd sound better live. You know how recorded saxophones usually have a really abrasive sound.
gradster1 2 years ago 5
No wonder our world is in such decline.
Why anyone feels compelled to write nasty hatefull comments is beyond my comprehension. Are you of that small a mind that you cannot accept and leave well enough alone? I hope that you (all) feel better now that you have spread your bitterness just a little bit further.
I honestly feel very sorry for all of you that your life consists of having to mock and ridicule that which you don't understand,cannot appreciate or cannot do.
drilldmc 2 years ago 4
They intentionally let the saxophonist play? On purpose?
...
planetar4564 2 years ago 3
i love the title!
barbarabarbi 2 years ago 3
I saw this paring live...it is brilliant!!! Don't judge the sound quality...judge the music!
Garbarek just might be the most original sounding known sax player on the planet. Yet he is essentially ignored within the american jazz community...wonder why??? ;o)
chauntzu 2 years ago
polish name
videographerr 2 years ago
poland?
chazums1898 2 years ago
@chazums1898 just Polish name Garbarek, he is from I believe New Jersey
videographerr 2 years ago
HAHAHAHAHA! That sax cut in like a rusty knife.
rogermoore27 2 years ago 2
Don't forget that sax sounds terrible on cheap recording devices.
Also why bother putting this vid up... surely if you went to see Jan and the Ensemble you knew exactly what the style was?
Go listen to the original composer and take this video down
wang4squeem 2 years ago
you are right. that's often the problem with non-professional clips. at the end you are not doing a favore to anyone... i heard this quintett in zurich, grossmünster and it worked fine.
gsaxy 2 years ago
oh yeah no! u r right, vocalists singing in a tenoro alto style, and that being the foundation of fugue is not at all baroque!!! its romandinc!no i think its metal!! didn;t they have done it too? for your information that kind of musical stracture of 3 voices is around before baroque era. do your history lessons.
nursien 2 years ago
I think this is a master piece ahd garbarek it's one of the best sax player of the world
escagad 2 years ago
in fack i liked it a lot, and i am a composer of both baroque and rock music.. i dont think its something done in a night, the musicality is corect, the sax player is a good one, the voices are great and it doesn't sound bad, just diffrent.. so all the principals of art are satified i cannot understand why is it a disaster? i think your main argument is the diffrent kinds of musiv mixed together, but remmber, we live in our time and mysic is about going forward.
nursien 2 years ago 3
You don't compose Baroque music, because that was early 18th-century style at the latest.
DonVueltaMorales 2 years ago
music is personal ? well, to a certain degree, there must be a certain degree of intelligence and good taste to appreciate Pierre de la rue
and this is just a modern rape of divine music that was never intended to be like this
albertcorn 2 years ago
There are two kinds of people.
Lovers and Haters....
If you hate this...fine.
If you love this ...fine.
Please keep your opinions to yourselves. We really don't care what anybody thinks.
Your opinion doesn't change the music.
Music is so personal, can't we agree to disagree and all get along. I'm glad the original poster took the time to post this.
Art is subjective to the audience.The real problem is it's a bad recording... End of discussion. Comments closed.
kingkoeller 2 years ago 3
Yesterday I was on a Hilliard Garbarek concert that was in a basilica when the voice of the singers and the sax had place to mix and fade. Like wine tastes best from a wine glass not from a shot. As Garbarek improvises to the songs it depends on his mood and the circumstances how it succeeds so sometimes it might not meet the taste of the audience. But it is not fair to judge him based on this short video. The concert was pure wonder.
SaxmanFish 2 years ago 5
lol, i thought it sounded awesome, but i can see what some people would be saying.
seriously, look up some of the original recordings of jan garbarek with the hilliard ensemble, this recording dosn't do it justice, the sax is way too loud
madworld111 2 years ago 2
Destroyed indeed! !
NiallMS 2 years ago
Garbarek è un grande sassofonista, ma in questa operazione (che io trovo sostanzialmente commerciale) è francamente insopportabile. La purezza della polifonia e la pasta di suono dell'Hilliard Ensemble vengono fortemente disturbate da articolazioni strumentali estranee al contesto.
sernipan 2 years ago 3
First of all I am almost positive that this piece was written for the Ensamble by a contemporary composer. They were hitting some pretty jazzy chords. Just because they sing with two tenors and a countertenor doesn't make it liturgcal or chant.
Wally773MTG 2 years ago 2
But the voice leading and overall tonality does. You can tell that the chords are not completely using tertian harmony, which does make it chant. The only jazz oozing out of any of this is the soprano sax.
jaschweigert 2 years ago
how could anybody pull this album down,next you will be saying that you prefer the spice girls hang your head in shame
rothman999 2 years ago
its with the whole contemporary thought of mixinf high art with low art.
low art being the medevil monks chant mixing with high art of the jazz saxophone two compleatly different styles and ganre's and mixing them together,
thats whats modanistic music is about challenging the norm, so
why not
mikeycraigsluman 2 years ago 2
Pesima combinacion ....
MarioAColmenares 2 years ago
...still, I think his playing is normally sublime, and I love mnemosyne
SenaraBlenethwyn 3 years ago 2
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SenaraBlenethwyn 3 years ago
lol it should be "how to destroy [any] magical moment: with a sax."
...kidding.
aawhiterabbit 3 years ago
how to destroy a great sax sound with a medieval moment :)
anugraha7 3 years ago 5
Very good title, that's exactly what I think as well.
alinacembalo 3 years ago
To be oh-so-purist and down and declare it a shame about this rather beatiful combination has been old 10 years ago...actually, more than 10 years. Go watch some 'pure' classical music, and let Hillard (who apparently thought it was a terrific idea, just like a lot of people including me) decide what they do.
RalfMBecker 3 years ago 7
I don't get what's wrong with jan's playing... maybe volume levels are a bit screwed up but he plays in tune and adds nice touches here and there and that's what you ask from your musicians...
ArthurGanate 3 years ago 2
i dont know about what you want from musicians, but surely there are some off tune notes and the saxo spirit he is using can only be insulting for the moment created by the choir, maybe its meant to be like that, in that case good JOB! :D try jazz punk later ; )
babylonliar 3 years ago
Jan Garbarek has an incredible sax sound that any sax player would be envious of. However, don't shoot Jan, it's the fault of the sound recordist that it just drowns out the Hilliard Ensemble!
ricmalclew 3 years ago 2
i disagree...it's not just the volume, it just doesn't fit with the metre, the flow of the vocal parts
SenaraBlenethwyn 3 years ago
sounds odd :))
really destroied. :P
anushca100 3 years ago
I already know this piece hehe
geheimnisvolle 3 years ago
Jan Garbarek's sax sounds absolutely great! Always! I suggest you to buy "Officium": it's the album by Hilliard Ensemble and Jan Garbarek.. and you'll get rid of what MAGIC SOUNDS are! And next time I suggest you also to think once again over what you're gonna write befrore doing it!
ceboz 3 years ago 4
Poster got owned by most viewers leaving comments. I'm happy.
mordecaibe 3 years ago
LOL. Sounds like Kenny G stormed the performance.
rogermoore27 3 years ago
Janny G
sutchsteve 3 years ago
This sounds really awful, water and oil, those cheesy tunes on the sax... Maybe it was a bad day for Garbarek, and the ensemble gets a smoother mix with other pieces, but this one sounds like shit, and it has nothing to do with the recording.
Faaip0de0oiad 3 years ago
Garbarek is a genius as are the Hilliards, the comments on this video pay testament to just that, the trouble here is someone has taken a poor recording and tried to sensationalise it in a shallow attempt to gain high viewing figures onYouTube.
isleofwightinsider 3 years ago 3
To the poster: If yo have nothing to say, next time consider NOT saying it.
marmaj 3 years ago
all that this does is show how difficult it is to record a vocal quartet and a saxophone (a much louder instrument) together
sutchsteve 3 years ago
Pshh the sax didn't ruin it, it made it better; the vocals ruined it.
cptlulz 3 years ago
Lmaos. I like it! The sax was ace, both together sound so odd though!
RedRosa1992 3 years ago
¿Destroy a magic moment? You can not record music in this quality!! THIS is the problem. You should record proffesional musiciens with profesional stuff. Fair play man.
But it´s your opinion anyway.
I love ALL Garbarek-Hilliard works.
soancar 3 years ago 5
I agree with 100 %. He should change the headline. I love Jan's music and I go to his concerts whenever I have the opportunity. His music is an enrichment to my soul. Headlines like this make Jan angry about posting his music at Youtube, understandable. Jan: Consider it as a good publicity!!
Charline1888 3 years ago
Saw them perform live...and they were brilliant.
never heard anything it. this video must either be of garbarek's worst day ever or what ever device was used for recording just is crap. they are on tour right now and I can only recommend seeing them.
f2509p 3 years ago
I have watched Jan Garbarek and Hilliard Ensemble live in Votivkirche church (Wien 2001), and this sax of Jan Garbarek is abosolutely phantastic and in accordance with Hilliard Ensemble. This clip is bad recorded with lowcost camera or mobile phone with built in compression, and you can't judge this Garbarek/Hilliard project only on that amateur record. Buy Officium or Mnemosyne and listen this great mustic professionally recorded.
crx1vtec 3 years ago 5
I think exactly like YOUZURK, but unfortunately this is one of the things that it's necessary to make at our days, to enlarge the audience of such beautiful musics: cover up them with the unfounded banalities of our days'sounds. It brings business, first of all.
lojundolo 3 years ago
It's funny that you think that this is stupid....the hilliard ensemble shure doesn't...
jjoaopaulo 3 years ago
I have to agree...and Garbarek is too loud all the time. He thinks he's always the star of the show.
Adian00 3 years ago
Say that this sax is stupid, I think is also stupid.
I mean, the sensibility must be enough open, for example to understand Picasso, or something it goes trough the common traditional taste.
I mean there can (better must) be a dicernment about apreciation of beauty. Otherwise you put your mind very narrow, and hear always the same music, like animals in a farm eat the same meal every day. Humans have a creative potencial mind to develop, not the opposite.
Best Regards
Iloveofrahaza87 3 years ago 4
I like your comment
but I also think that not all the experiments are good...
youzurk 3 years ago
Yes, I agree ! But what I think about this video, is that the acoustic is very bad. It's maybe in a church or something like that. More sincer I must say. I hear normaly jazz and clasic music. I know Jan Garbarek, since many years. The first time I heard him, it sound me strident, but, with little time and listening more I "learned" to aprecciate it. Because I think it's sound is not common, but doesn't mean bad. It's just very good !! Hear this video with Ali Khan, it's just pure beauty:
Iloveofrahaza87 3 years ago
the acoustic of the church is perfect for the voices
(maybe too much for sax)
I also like "Ragas and Sagas"
youzurk 3 years ago
@Iloveofrahaza87 Where is the link? :D
orboksanci 6 months ago
hey sorry to bug u but what sax was he playing it looked so small that i thought it was a soprillo
furrycrittr 3 years ago
soprano ricurvo (made by Santoni Paré)
youzurk 3 years ago
shut the hell up stupid sax!!!
JAYJAY1000000 3 years ago
I own dozens of ECM recordings. My least favorite moments are the Garbarek solos. I think Manfred mixed him too damn loud, and I do think he is too smooth and noodley most of the time. I wonder what Wayne Shorter thinks of him...
zetetic23 3 years ago
lmfao
DrUK2008 3 years ago
I disagree. I like this.
lightfunk 3 years ago 3
me too. i like this very much. the sound quality of this is quite bad but i still like it! great sound, great accoustic there, great mix of saxophone and gregorian choral!
Dougles152 3 years ago
fatycnie coś ciutuszke niepasuje, nagranie studyjne pewnie brzmi zupełnie inaczej:)
gggrzesiek 3 years ago
它是什麼我並且總認為
youzurk 3 years ago
... I'm still waiting to hear it ruined... seems pretty tight to me.
theJazzJedi 3 years ago 5
Why is this moment ruined? Dude, if you don't like the song, then don't listen to it. There's a lot of music that I could go around saying was ruined because of one instrument or something. But I don't, because I'm not ignorant and I'm not the ultimate judge of what's good in music. Get over yourself.
kitesflyhigher 3 years ago 16
"...and I'm not the ultimate judge of what's good in music."
But you are the ultimate judge of what you, personally, like or dislike in music. Everybody has a right to their own taste in music, and also a right to express said taste in front of others.
janeyanna 9 months ago
Garbarek er kongen!!!!!!!!
Garbarek is the king!!!!!
modalboy2 4 years ago 2
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this is shit
psychicSnow 4 years ago
its SHIT what YOURE TALKIN' man!!
Dougles152 3 years ago
i've been to their gig in UK and trust me it sounds much better than this. i think this has been recorded badly that's all...
tjrizing 4 years ago
I liked it...would have been better without those mouthists getting in Jan's way :P
Kidding (slightly)
carmenodgie 4 years ago
pretty nice
:-)
..you wonna see/hear something realy innovative - how to improvise classical music ?!
look for video : "bach sarabande jazz guitar"
or go to renatorozic dot com /audio/bach or audio/mozat..
..you ll be nicely surprised ..
:-)
doublearejazz 4 years ago
psychicSnow; Just because you don't like a particular performance doesn't mean it's bad you ignorant f*#@wit. Try keeping your ears open and your mouth shut you might actually learn something.
thanks for the great clip.
pedro
pedro1690 4 years ago
mr. paedo1690, while I understand that your limited musical experience might preclude your being able to realise the utter worthlessness of such a presumptive and arrogant a musical experiment as this (even less interesting or beautiful than even John Cage's experiments in 'simultaneous performance'); I find your rudeness and piss-poor attempts at being insulting less excusable. Don't comment on things you know nothing about, you nauseatingly stupid cock-sucking witch.
psychicSnow 4 years ago
dude, you need to lay off the acid..
and by the way, there is no such thing as arrogant musical experimentation. experimentation is just to see if something works.. clearly you dont think this does, but you are one of the few.
arrogance is present however, all through your rant.
so vent you unfulfilled anger somewhere else.
notMrThoms 4 years ago
oh.. that was directed toward psychicsnow..
but being psychic you probably already know that...
notMrThoms 4 years ago
i'm issuing a fatwa against jan garbarek. he is the epitome of naff smoothness, here clumsily stuck on top of the hiiliards in their most automatic, we've-really-started-to-lose-interest mode of performance. why oh why oh why?
psychicSnow 4 years ago
Just because you don't like a particular performance doesn't mean it's bad you ignorant f*#@wit. Try keeping your ears open and your mouth shut you might actually learn something.
thanks for the great clip.
pedro
pedro1690 4 years ago
This does mean two things:
1- Jan Garbarek is one of the most important and purhaps one of the best experimentalist musicians actually;
2- those who argue against this kind of experimentalism are retarded conservatives... who must know the whole work of Jan Garbarek and The Hilliard Ensemble joined together!
HugoSax 4 years ago
tell me mr Hugosax, as i am such a "retarded conservative" and unable to figure it out for myself, how is this "experimentation"? They have taken 600-year-old intricate vocal harmonies and dumped dull, ultra-smooth-edged sax playing over the top, with (seemingly) no attempt made to actually marry the two together. Seems more like the most crass, bland commercialism to me.
psychicSnow 4 years ago
The "retarded conservative" was about some arguments posted here, not about the music!
HugoSax 4 years ago
If you think Garbarek is "ultra-smooth-edged sax" one can only conclude you have very little knowledge of the instrument, or are ignorant. It is true to say that some of the Hilliard / Garbarek collaborations did not entirely work, but some of it was actually incredible. That is characteristic of experimentation, the very thing you are claiming this is not.
herrkaliyuga 4 years ago
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dolphy/coltrane/ayler/brotzmann/parker: experimentation. garbarek: what the fuck is he even thinking? boring boring licks. LICKS for fuck's sake. aren't we past that by now? but this point is subjective, we could argue 'til the cows come home. Your second point, however, is just plain dumb.
psychicSnow 4 years ago
Have you heard any of Garbarek's early '70s stuff? It's much more aggressive, and very Ayler-inspired. It didn't hurt that he was working with Terje Rypdal and Jon Christensen, too, though.
pjustusxi 4 years ago
If I make a video of two CD players, one playing Dunstable's Veni sancte spiritus, the other Louis Armstrong's Potato head blues, no-one would say "My, what an interesting and worthwhile musical experiment!" they'd say "You're an idiot". That is, except for you. You're an idiot.
psychicSnow 4 years ago
psychicSnow: Your "Licks" remark is perhaps the ultimate cliche. You have placed yourself firmly beyond reason. Nice to know I won't be dealing with your sorry ass next time I go see Jan Garbarek.
herrkaliyuga 4 years ago
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nope, just you and a few other pretentious ECM-worshipping assholes who actually believe Garbarek makes interesting music. The ultimate cliche, by the way, is actually 50 Cent's awesome video to "I get money". But I'm sure you already knew that, if not, you obviously have very little knowledge of hip-hop, or are ignorant. Tell me, are you facetious because you're self-opinionated, or the other way round?
psychicSnow 4 years ago
the closest you would get to "dealing" with me is crying into the toilet. you are a fucking tool
psychicSnow 4 years ago
psychicsnow - You're coming across as musically misguided, as well as basically a rude dude with personal problems. One of those people who play America's favorite YouTube Game: Exhibit Your Symptom! If you'd stop trashing artists and listeners and just listen, you might make some progress, as well as grow some class.
mortcola 4 years ago
thanks for the advice. what i had failed to realise is that youtube is a place for serious discussion of even the most mediocre of music. I only hope it is not too late for me and that i can make some progress, and one day be as classy as you and less misguided.
psychicSnow 4 years ago
Don't worry so much about being as classy as I am. You can find your own simple, decent path. Just make sure to listen to good music, love generously, kill only when necessary, and get plenty of soluble fiber. Oh, yeah, and try not to ramble mean-spiritedly and ignorantly on YouTube.
mortcola 4 years ago
You keep referring to me as behaving/writing "ignorantly". What is it that I am supposedly ignorant of? Perhaps the reason that anyone could be pretentious enough to actually feign enjoyment of music as trashily and pompously pseudo-"highbrow" as this. I will happily remain so. Your class is in your head, kiddo
psychicSnow 4 years ago
If only i had known that to disagree with other people's taste when it comes to "arty" music is incorrect, and that the reason i don't like this is because i am stupid, not because of the music itself.
Yours in deference to your infinite arrogance, psych
psychicSnow 4 years ago
You're not saying much about the music. Just hurling bitter words. Damn, you're mad! By the way, my class isn't only in my head. I have thighs that have been described as "regal" and "please stop that".
mortcola 4 years ago
mortcola, I just had a peek at your profile and realised you're a genesis fan. there's nothing else to say, really
psychicSnow 4 years ago
And Cecil Taylor. And fine wine. The suppleness of tender thighs. Grilled cheese. Freedom, compassion and self-determination. Ren and Stimpy. South and North. Controlled, consensual violence, and big hugs. Taunting the foolish, then buying them a beer if they can hang in, give back and not lose it. Live well, dude. Be a better person this year.
mortcola 4 years ago 2
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will you have sex with me?
psychicSnow 4 years ago
not yet
mortcola 4 years ago
I want to hear more about stuff you like. Really. You sound like such an interesting person. Then again, maybe not.
psychicSnow 4 years ago
I like this: Guy walks into a bar, followed by President Bush, a donkey, two nuns and a rabbi, a blind chimp, a talking duck, and three hookers carrying a rubber chicken. The bartender says (drum roll): "what is this...a joke?!?"
mortcola 4 years ago
In the meantime, altogether: I cant dance, I cant talk. Only thing about me is the way I walk... they really mean it.
psychicSnow 4 years ago
you are hilarious
prodigy24 4 years ago
you are aphrodite
psychicSnow 4 years ago
PLEASE shut up..
Dougles152 3 years ago
kid, I don't care how many Adiemus CDs you were swindled into buying, and I'm not trying to defend whether or not you enjoy this rubbish. Only that it is not "experimentation", by any definition of the word, and that there is much better performed (Orlando Consort for one, except for the Perotin) and less lazily imagined (see: modern music) music out there.
psychicSnow 4 years ago
oh, wait, it's just a video website. with comments to say if somethings shit. my bad.
psychicSnow 4 years ago
Absolutely jazz! I like it! More videos please ;-)
killerkater666 4 years ago
what - jazz? not a chance...
doesnt mean you cant still enjoy it
utviklingssang 4 years ago
The only thing that has destroyed this magic moment is the recording (not having ago it is great to see a vid of this up) not the sax. This is one of the greatest collaborations there has been in music and anyone saying they dont like it is simply lying. i want to see it done live so badly! i can go and see the Hilliard ensamble though which is nice. thanks for the vid by the way.
fffaaannn 4 years ago
Yeah I agree, its pretty discordant, there is some Hilliard / Garbarek that I've heard that blends both very beautifully but this jarring.
peletonkambing 4 years ago
YouTurk, thanks for the post. When and where was this performed? I presume at the time of either Officium or Mnemosyne. You chose a provocative title so petefrancisco's response was, indeed, predictable. The collaboration certainly did annoy many jazzers and early music evangelists. Me, I think the albums are wonderful.
daegrant 4 years ago
The show was performed in december 2005 in Bari (South Italy). Thank for your post.
youzurk
youzurk 4 years ago
pleasure and sorry for spelling your name incorrectly
daegrant 4 years ago
Hello, Thanks. More videos please.
arredor 4 years ago
The title you chose for your video: "How To Destroy a Magic Moment With a Sax: Hilliard Garbarek," is quite mean spirited. Jan Garbarek is aknowledged by Manfred Eicher to be a musical genius, but, as Einstein so aptly said of the kind of mentality that posts such a comment as yours "Great spirits have always encountered opposition from mediocre minds. The mediocre mind is incapable of understanding the man who refuses to bow blindly to conventional prejudices..."
petefrancisco 4 years ago 3
Petefrancisco, let me say that your post was predictable. Everybody knows that Garbarek is great, a genius ect. Firstly, I mean to joke about this title, then I'm just expressing my point of view. I'm as that child who shouts ingenuously " the king is naked!". Anyway, I thank you for your post, maybe you could have appreciated what you have seen and listenned, so this video is also for you.
youzurk 4 years ago
Stop arguing with everyone who is somewhat critical towards you!
astat1 4 years ago