You're speaking all of this "Gospel truth," but I don't see how this fits in in any way with the part of the Gospel that says love your enemy; pray for those who curse you. Bless and do not curse. Rob Bell is simply asking questions that a lot of people have asked, just not out loud. I don't necessarily agree with his conclusion, but you can't just bash him. Love is still a part of the Gospel, and this video seems very unloving.
@phssoccer24 yes but Rob Bell is saying everyone will be saved even after they die -_- This video isn't hateful. It is just showing the sheep where the wolves are.
Yes, Rob Bell, Ghandi is in hell if he did not repent! Yes, Rob Bell, Jeus said MANY will go the way of destruction and FEW will find the way that leads to life! Who does Rob Bell think he is? What an arrogant man calling into question God's word!
To me, this video illustrates the point well. Why do people find Todd Friel condescending?
He have to look at the Bible for truth. Questioning it's principles, as a pastor, seems irresponsible. The questions are tough to answer, but can we not trust in God? Do we need to provide an alternative to what God says? Let us read the Bible and study, then we will see.
Jesus asks us to be ready when the master comes. You, Me, Todd, Rob, John MacArthur: Let us strive to enter. Forget speculation
"The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, 'Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!' " (John 1:29) For all of you who enjoyed this comedy routine that ridicules and misrepresents the view of Christian Universalism, I urge you to actually investigate it for yourself. Just because a guy yells into a constantly moving camera on a fancy studio set doesn't mean he's right.
Your condescending style is shameful. You spout your dogma, but never bother to investigate the views you criticize. The straw men you construct are too many to count. This "heresy" you talk about was the dominate view of Christians for the first 4 centuries, till the Latin theologins started preaching the eternal torment doctrine. "And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world." (1 John 2:2)
It's all about Jesus. The story of the world, the meaning of life, the path to eternal joy... Jesus. Sure there are religious extremists who attack all those who oppose their view, but let's not take that out on Jesus. His message is far too valuable. I love you all... why? Because Jesus loved you enough to die for you, so if He loves you then so do I. God bless.
This guy seems to have a huge superiority complex, in contrast to the humility to which the bible calls all of its believers. It's written all over his face and in his body language. Do you see his swagger? The tone in his voice is disgusting! Who can follow a man like this? If his bible is right, he's goin' down for his excessive pride! I'm through wasting my time on this fool!
NO ONE knows just how many will end up in hell, but they most certainly WILL NOT burn forever, the Bible DOES NOT teach this. Here is what it actually says, "For behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch" (Malachi 4:1). Does this say anything about burning 'forever'??
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks this Todd guy is ignorant and childish.
The wages of sin is death. Therefore by dying one's debt is paid. Jesus died for all sins, past and present, pre-baptism and post-baptism. This notion of eternal punishment is indoctrinate and just wishful thinking amongst Catholics and prejudice, uneducated preachers.
A blatant atheist I work with read Love Wins and told me he really liked the message. I had to re-explain the entire gospel from the beginning to him; he decided I didn't even know my own religion.
Yes, we took down Rob Bell! Well, that ended up being easy. Now, let's take down the candidates that seek Christian votes who only say they are Christian and pro-life. Just as Rob Bell, they also want to be followed.
Rob Bell is dreadful..and yet, his products are filling Christian book shops, which looks to me like selling illegal drugs to Christians. I was even recommended by a shop keeper at Wesley Owen but after watching his DVD for 10minutes I smelt heresy and said no to the shopkeeper. It is so sad. I rarely come across Christians who know and talk the Bible message properly.
@shreddakj I guess we all have our own places where we fail. I disagree with you, but I will grant this one failure. Next time, fail in a more graceful manner. ;)
@KoyanTheWanderer Fail in a more graceful manner? I fail (rofl) to see how calling him a dickhead equals failing. Failing is usually attempting something and getting it wrong. I attempted to call him a dickhead, and I succeeded. You called my success a failure, and in doing so, failed yourself. You sir/ma'am, fail.
@gilbert4321 Look I'm not a Rob Bell fan. His videos are, too, wishy-washy for me, and he does have bad theology. However, sixhand's right (minus the cursing). You do need to read somebody's work before you talk negative about them. You need info to back up one's claim. Otherwise, it's just being judgmental.
Todd's done this before such as with Ayn Rand. He didn't read her work, but refuted her with only somebody else's opinion. Todd needs to read the book or keep his mouth shut.
Rob Bell put into words something I've long suspected in my heart-- the Good News is WAY better than what I learned back in Sunday School. I dance with incredible JOY now in a way I never could before-- God knows EXACTLY what He's doing!! He's made a way that blows away whatever you THINK you've heard. READ it, man-- READ IT!
I just love Todd's straw man show. This snake oil salesman doesn't have the spine to take on people like Rob Bell because he knows he would be completely owned. So instead he resorts to using strawman tactics. The sooner this smuck gets off television the better.
@barbiquearea Well actually Rob Bell is too big of a wuss to answer Emails or take phone calls or accept debate offers, challenging his piss poor theology. Rob Bell won't face people that are theologically astute because he only like the mindless, drooling drones that show up on sunday morning at his "church" and swallow his garbage hook, line and sinker.
Wow, this guy is super quick to make assumptions about Rob and is flat out calling him a universalist when he hasn't even read the book to understand the context. All I see is questions being asked. No claims about the bible being wrong or anything blasphemous.
Jesus too was a fundamentalists. He would be murdered much more quickly today and once again the religious leaders would be shouting, "Give us Barabas!"
The Bible does not teach eternal punishment. God's love and mercy endures forever. Does it really endure forever or only in this life? How can it be Good News if it doesn't translate to the afterlife?
1 Timothy 4:10- This is why we work hard and continue to struggle, for our hope is in the living God, who is the Savior of all people and particularly of all believers.
I've just written a book about Hell & eternity and what the Scriptures actually teach about the subject. Enough with the talking points Mr. Friel, study the original language and you'll see something far different than this view of Hell you hold.
Bell's problem is that he doesn't care what the word of God says. It's easy to see. Almost every verse he uses in his book is taken out of context and made to say something God never intended the verse to say. If you'd like to read a review that shows Bells errors and the deception behind his work, visit... Hells Bell Dot..... Net
@theflarpus are you serious. If you watch the Love Wins promo video, Bell is talking from the perspective of people that *aren't* Christian. This guy is saying all these things are Bell's beliefs - he's so wrong!! It's from the perspective of someone who doesn't know much about Christianity!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Goodness me - it's so painfully obvious.
@jaydenlawson - Do you believe Jesus the only way to be right with God? Do you believe in hell/eternal punishment? What do you believe Jesus has come to save us from?
@theflarpus a) Yes, if you have heard of him. b) Yes, eternal in effect (ie - instant), not an eternal, ongoing punishment. c) Sin.
This was a response to what this guy is actually saying about the Rob Bell Love Wins Promo Video. Watch it again if you can't remember how incredibly and amazingly wrong he gets basically EVERYTHING. The Love Wins video is mainly about non-Christian's perspective's of Christianity. I'm honestly shocked he drew so many INSANELY stupid conclusions from it. Shame.
@jaydenlawson What does Todd Friel get wrong and yes I am serious. I am talking about Todds theology. And please explain your non-belief in eternal punishment and the if they have heard of him.
@jaydenlawson Friend, I have watched an interview of Rob bell on cnn. I have listened to a couple of critiques on his book and this promo does seem to be explaining his view of God and salvation. And please try and keep this civil. You and I may be on two opposite ends of the spectrum where both of us cannot be right and be saved. i have a feeling this is the case but I hope it is not. We are all bad and need a savior God owes us nothing.
@gimarr I'm not trying to impress you. I'm trying to demonstrate to you that I have "read the Bible," and that there's a very good chance that I've delved very deeply into it, including learning the original languages of the originals.
@brgulker So what!! I'm not impressed! You've obviously haven't read it in a while if you're going to defend someone like Rob Bell!! Degree or no degree!!
@brgulker He wasn't talking about Rob Bell's book, he was talking about what he said in his video promo for the book. There is enough garbage in that video to see that he's teaching a false Gospel message. He's a heretic plain and simple. Read the Bible! You clearly haven't !
This guy is a big jackass. He should run for public office - I could see him as a politician. Smug, self-righteous and completely arrogant. Anyone who actually says he knows the mind of God, who goes to heaven and who goes to hell, doesn't deserve the time of day. And for the record, the hyper arm flailing, bouncing around and yelling schtick doesn't make you look hip; it just makes you look like the idiot you actually are.
I am so glad Todd answered the question is Gandhi in hell with: "nobody truly knows..." Because no one does, but we know the criterion for going to heaven. Good job Todd.
Thank you so much for your video. Many of us are trying our best to refute the heresy that Rob Bell is selling, but I agree with you that we waited too long. May the true gospel be proclaimed throughout the world!
Rob Bell needs to repent from sending people to hell. He 's a danger to himself & all who follow his erroneous belief. GOD is LOVE who sent His Son Jesus to die for all of us! There is no love to be experienced w/o HIM! Otherwise, the sacrifice on the cross was in vain & we'd all be lost. JESUS lives in pure love, receive Him!
I think Todd's doctrinal assertions here are right on, and for the record, I do believe Rob Bell, while still loved of Jesus, is preaching false doctrine. My only caution would be found in these two passages; Ephesians 4:15 & 16 "...speaking the truth in love" and I Corinthians 13: 5. "Love does not behave rudely". I don't think there was any biblical or spiritual leading to mock Rob Bell's appearance or clothing. We lose our credibility as contenders of the faith when we engage in ridicule
@ninasju Why do you think Bell is loved of Jesus, which I cannot know, only God can, but why would you tell Bell that or would you refer him to Jude as show him the "false teachers" : 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. " Wretched is right - Bell is on the road to hell and leading others there. I pray for him.
@1aliveinchrist Why do I think Bell is loved of Jesus? Because Scripture says he is. God loves us when we're in rebellion and steeped in sin. I believe with all my heart He wants Bell to repent and come to a true faith in the true Christ. Romans 5:8 "But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us." / 2 Peter 3:9 "The Lord is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance."
@ninasju A good question to consider is who the "US" is that Paul referred to in Romans. Was that "US" every person on the planet, or was Paul writing to believers? Believers clearly. And, if Paul thought EVERYONE were going to be saved no matter what they believed, no matter their doctrine, then why would he spend so much effort to correct the "foolish Galatians" and warn us about false gospels. I hope you will consider these questions carefullly. Sound Doctrine is vital and biblical. God Bless
@1aliveinchrist I think I may have miscommunicated something. I believe Hell exists and people have been going there for years and years when. I believe Rob Bell is teaching heresy, and he, along with the people who are buying his teachings need to repent and turn to true doctrine of repentence and substitutionary atonement. I also believe that as long as he has a pulse, he has time to repent and so do they. God loves them and does not want them to be lost. Does that clear things up?
@ninasju We are agreed up until the end of what you said, but I'm glad you cleared that up. I see that Scripture teaches us that anyone who is of the elect of God will repent, and will be saved. We can never know who these are, so in that sense, yes, he has his entire life to repent. If he does not, then he will be in hell. As far as God "loving" everyone, I cannot agree scripturally, though this is not something those outside of the reformed understanding want to hear. (Cont.)
@ninasju (Cont. 2) God loved Jacob but hated Esau, and Paul uses this in Romans 9 to also show that "not all of Israel are Israel." Only those who are the "spiritual seed" of Abraham will be saved. Jesus looked at the pharisees who were accusing him and said they did not know him (John 8) because they were not of him. They were "of their father the devil." We also know from scripture that some are turned over to Satan for a while to teach them about how to be humble. Could this be the case for
@ninasju (Cont 3) ...could this be the case for Bell? Maybe. If he repents and denounces all of his heresy, then Praise God for the mighty work that God wrought in him (Eph 2:10 - For we are God's workmanship created unto good works -- but remember that the "we" in this verse is to beleivers.) So, I hope that clears up my position for you. Thank you for responding, and God BLess.
Praise God that Todd is willing and able to share the truth of the Gospel! Rob Bell is truly a wolf in sheep's clothing. Why has no one stepped up earlier and confronted Bell? I can't wait to listen to more of Todd, he is truly a man of God who only wants to share the good news of the Gospel....the REAL news of the Gospel!
God Bless Todd Friel! In my circles I'm one of the only guy's who's been telling my pastor Rob Bell is messed up. Since he questioned how important the virgin birth is, I knew there was no more need, no more time to waste. Who would ask "is the Bible the best that God can do?" He should have been sniped for that statement alone! He was out of the closet then! ? Why have we been kicking a dead moose? (I'm Canadian) Farewell Rob Bell.
@longs2bfree Definition of love, John 3:16, laying down your life for someone who you care about that is love. No person has ever done this truly as He, (Jesus) has and the Father accept him. Only one was perfect in thought, word, and deed, and this is the one who was accepted, Jesus. The proof is the resurrection. Also where does it say that "All men will be saved?" In Timothy it reads that He desires all men to be saved, how many will reject Jesus, cause they want to do it their way?
Todd Friel: "Paul said, let them be anathema, let them be cursed if they preach any other gospel." He implicitly adds: "than the one preached by the Reformed".
Jesus said, I am the way the truth and the life...No one comes to the Father except through Me. There ya go. So you must accept Jesus as your savior to go to Heaven. You can't get there just by being good.
@piiinnk11 ::If you really believe that. More and more do not. Was that just put there to give the church leadership more power? Carlton Pearson had a revelation that no one goes to hell for unbelief. He left the Pentecostal church and became a 'new thought' preacher.
Pretending that the bible is the 'word of God' is a dying belief. The bible is just too full of contradiction and error.
@k0smon So Carlton Pearson's "revelation" is equivolent to God's word? How do I know that he really did hear from God? I mean maybe he just ate some bad pizza?
@Truthunderfire21 ::: Did God write a book? I don't think so. By their fruits ye shall know them. It was a life changing decision for him. I agree at least in part with his decision.
@Truthunderfire21 ::: What is God's word? The bible? There is plenty of reason to discount the 'inerrancy" of the scriptures. Any book that describes a perfect God as having human frailties such as anger, wrath, or hatred cannot be correct. And it goes on to describe the same perfect God as sending people to hell forever. Even you would not do that to people. I believe that Carton did hear from God, to correct erroneous beliefs resulting from the mis-statements in the bible.
@Truthunderfire21 ::: If it works for you, then work it. Everyone is on their own level of understanding,. I hope you will not be afraid of spiritual growth.
@Truthunderfire21 :::Sorry, your research is faulty. There is more and more rationality coming into being regarding the Christian religion. Thanks to people like Bart Ehrman and Carlton Pearson who are not afraid of the consequences of revealing the truth as they understand it, more and more people are beginning to reexamine 'the old time religion'. There is the old question about the Trinity being examined. The bible is a quagmire of truth and fiction and cannot be taken literally.
@k0smon Actually, thanks to me, everything that you say concerning God and spirituality is a quagmire of truth and trith and fiction and you can't be taken literally. In fact, you have no objective standard of what truth even is ergo no one should even regard what you say.
@Truthunderfire21 :::God and spirituality is understood differently by different people. If you are stuck in fundamentalist Christianity, so be it. What is good for me definitely would not be understood by you. My basic understanding of God comes from a book called Oahspe, which you have never heard of. Since you have little maturity, no one should regard what you have to say either (unless it makes good sense to them). Adios !
@k0smon I don't really care to understand whatever it is that you think because it's totally made up by you and has zero basis or objectiveness to at all.
@k0smon See, my "maturity" level isn't really the issue here it's just that you have no basis for anything you say therefor ad-hominems are all you have left.
@bgoodheyhey I'm friends with Todd!!! He doesn't YELL. This is him at work. He doesn't talk like this when you're face-to-face! He is amazingly gifted by God in these days to bring about the truth and the gospel to those who have ears to hear!
Dear dear friends. It is not what we do or don't do. It is who we are. What is our heart condition. Are we in Christ (Christ in nature and will) or we are not. Only those who are in Christ/God nature will survive. And Rob Bell is point on. There is no place of torture. Those who are not in pure heart/Christ will just die. Never to exist again. Jesus said "I will say I NEVER knew you". So simple it is complecated. This man in this video is just full of fear. But he chooses it.
linda.grateful1 @jwissick&JMcH you seem to be missing the real message. It is NOT about Ghandi, it is about Jesus. My husband & I were missionaries in India for 9 yrs. It's easy to romantise Ghandi & India. In truth it is not Romantic. It is a country in poverty because of their belief, their treatment of their fellow countrymen (caste system). Their disreguard for life, believing that you deserve whatever you get; no compassion, no sacrifice for their fellow man. That is not the real Gospel.
@jwissick,@JMcH ..you seem to be missing the real message. It is NOT about Ghandi, it is about Jesus. My husband and I were missionaries in India for 9 years. It is 'easy' to romantise Ghandi and India...in truth it is not Romantic. It is a country in poverty because of their belief, their treatment of their fellow countrymen (caste system). Their disreguard for life, believing that you deserve whatever you get...no compassion, no sacrifice for their fellow man. That is not the real Gospel.
@lindagratefulone1 Ghandi acheived a country for his people invoking non violent resistence which sounds very close to the basic principles of Christianity. No matter what your personal feelings are for him and other religions. You can't take anything away from Ghandi.
If love wins, as Bell portrays it, then holiness and justice lose.
Ken Silva at Apprising Ministries is reviewing an advance copy of the book. So far it's clear Bell is advocating "universal reconciliation," in which unbelievers do go to hell, but will eventually be reconciled to God.
I always say, "Rob Bellion" is as the sin of witchcraft!
@jdchitty But isn't the very notion that God would forgive even the most "wretched of sinners" the biggest injustice of all? Technically Hitler could have been saved if he repented and gave his life to Jesus, even after killing 6 million Jews. What gets me about Christians is that they want mercy for themself but justice for everyone else.
Love on the other hand isn't about being fair or just, it is about over coming it so that evil would have no place to hide. Greatest of virtues is it not
@souldude81 "What gets me about Christians is that they want mercy for themself but justice for everyone else." Ad hominem--what this Christian wants is glory for a holy God who not only forgives, but is also just. See Scripture passage in next reply...
@jdchitty It isn't an "ad hominem" because from my experience it's the truth. Pardoning isn't justice it's compassion. It transends religion because it is part of human nature. Hence I suppose I should not have said that; just Christians, but really the entire human race.
@souldude81 The "justice" and righteousness of Christ's death is in the fact that, if Christ had not died for sin, then God would've been unrighteous and unjust to have failed to justly mete out judgment for the sins that had taken past since the creation of the world (Rom. 3:25). Once the just sentence for sin has been served in Christ, forgiveness is available for all who will believe. Whosoever will may come in repentance and faith and will receive forgiveness by God's mercy. Why not you?
@jdchitty I don't believe in such a thing. What you call sin is what I call human nature. Your second point is wrong. The act of Jesus dying on the cross isn't just. If it were just it would have been you up on the cross instead of Jesus. The guilty pay the price not the innocent, that's the CORRECT definition of justice. If we make the assumption God died for your sins, that part is unjust. As I said before it was compassion "passion of the Christ" that you were saved not justice.
@souldude81 If you don't believe, then I can only pray for you. As for the definition of "justice," consider the New Testament Greek word which is being translated in Romans 3:26 as "just." The word is transliterated into English as dikaios, and is used in many senses, it's not locked in to the 21st century sense you're trying to restrict our English translation of the Greek New Testament into. A valid alternate translation is "righteous." Righteousness is biblically faithfulness to a covenant.
@jdchitty No. But I refuse to play the semantical game with you, because I think if we are both speak and THINK in comtemporary North American english (albet I am from Canada) then the words we use SHOULD be also. I know what just means, what compassion and passion means. I don't need a latin lesson on their origins because it has little impact on my point. Now if the bible uses these words in another context, then please adapt them so that I can understand what you mean. Thanks.
@jdchitty Pray away, but praying is a way for Christians to feel like they have control over something they have no control over. This is why I think you guys need to believe n an after life. You guys fear death. You have no control.
Anyways at this juncture millions are praying for Japan, but their prayers I sincerely doubt are having an impact on how the events are playing out. I don't think the out come would be any different if no one was praying for Japan.
@souldude81 As for "passion" and compassion. The word passion in the sense of the passion of Christ is from the Latin "passio" which means to suffer. "Compassion" is to suffer with. We agree that Christ was compassionate for sinners as he propitiated (rendered the wrathful God favorable toward the sinner on whose behalf the offering is made) God the Father as he righteously/justly kept his promise first spoken in Gen. 3:15 and unpacked throughout the entire OT and fulfilled in Christ's death.
@souldude81 You will say to me then, “Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?” But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?” Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? ... (see next reply)...
@jdchitty I am an individual who can think for himself and I don't ask such questions, because for me they are irelevent. To answer your hypothetical/ retorical question, my answer is no. I'm not a slave.
@souldude81 According to Jesus, ur a slave to sin (John 8:34). "Thinking" for yourself, without the aid of divine revelation will result in your only ever suppressing what you know instinctively about your omnipotent Creator, in order to worship that which he created instead of him (Rom. 1:18-23). Besides, it wasn't my rhetorical question, but the Apostle Paul's (Romans 9:19-24). Just in case you missed that fact. All my previous replies were actually one long reply, in part quoting this passage
@jdchitty According to the bible the world is flat, and the earth goes around the sun, the mustard seed is the smallest of all seeds, there is a ferminent in the sky, and Jesus second coming was suppose to occure before ever last witnessed died. None of this is true, and neither is your belief in sin. IMHO of course. Yes it was your rhetorical question because you weren't sincerely asking me because you answered it yourself. U used scripture to express your opinions. Very much your words.
@souldude81 You need to read the Chicago Statement on Biblical Inerrancy to learn how conservative evangelical Christrians really (or ought to, some are admittedly and willfully ignorant, as are many skeptics) understand the concepts of literalism and inerrancy of Scripture. Link to my blog from my YouTube page and find my page called "Creeds, etc." to read the statement. Ever heard of phenomenological language?
@jdchitty I haven't met one Christian that took the bible literally from cover to cover. Every Christian picks and chooses what to believe and what is simply "Biblical inerrancy". Also, if Christians take the teachings of Jesus to heart at verbatim, Christians would actually have faith in the Holy Spirit to speak truthfully through them. But, they don't, this is why they site scripture instead of speak in their own words; no chance for error. That is a sign of lack of faith in the Holy Spirit.
@souldude81 On the second coming, liberal theologians can treat the text just as hyper-literally as we all love to lampoon the most backwoods fundamentalist, only they do it to criticize the Bible, as you are doing now. On the Second Coming, I think you're alluding to Matthew 24:30 re: Son of Man coming in clouds--This most clearly is end-time language that recalls Daniel's prophecy (Dan. 7:13–14) and points to Jesus' return at the end of the age (cf. 2 Thess. 1:7–10; Rev. 19:11–16)
@souldude81 As for my quoting Paul's rhetorical question and thus making it my own: fine. It's no secret that I agree with the Bible that ungrateful sinners who would suppress their inherent knowledge of the God of the Bible will accuse him of being unfair in how he decides to dispense his justice and grace. The exception to the rule is those he graciously awakens to new life and love for him by his Spirit (Eph. 2). It's a miracle of God illuminating his Word to the sinner.
@jdchitty Sometimes I ask myself why would a God who has everything, knows everything, and can do anything would feel jealous over people who do not give him their undivided attention? It's like me getting jealous over ants living out their ant lives. It sounds strange that God is willing to depart with any of his creation if everything is already his. If most people are going to hell, then alot of God's essence will be done there too. Hmm, unless maybe Christians perception of hell isn't true?
@souldude81 You didn't create the ants, and they aren't obligated to obey you because of the fact that you are it's creator, nor because you redeemed them from eternal punishment. But God created you, put his law in your heart, and on tables of stone, entered into covenant with Adam who represented you therein, failed to obey God's command and was confirmed in sin, therefore his guilt was imputed to those he represented (all of us) and a nature bound to sin was inherited by him...
@souldude81 ...you are obligated to obey God, but can't and won't (Rom. 8:7), and God decreed that the person that sins must die, so now, if they don't, then he's waffling on his own decree. A consistent God who does what he says is better than a permissive God who threatens judgment and then lets sinners go free without the sentence being served. Christ volunteered to serve the sentence for sinners, so that God's patience with sinners doesn't impugn his integrity. Thus ...
@souldude81 ...repentant believers r doubly obligated to obey God, not only because he created them, but also because he redeemed them. Just as the preamble to the 10 Commandments has God declaring "I'm the LORD who brought you out of the house of bondage," and has them to therefore keep the 10 Commandments, so r believers to respond to spiritual salvation in grateful, loving obedience. Jesus said, "If you love me, you will keep my commandments." John wrote "we love because he first loved us."..
@souldude81 ...thus, he's not some touchy God who gets his feelings hurt by tiny ants, but a God who reveals himself to his creatures through covenantal relationships. If we violate these covenants, the sanctions of the covenant must be administered. That's why he's "a jealous God." It helps to know the context, unless folks just like throwing darts at God without caring to know why the Bible says what it says. Just looking for excuses to criticize him.
@souldude81 "...What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory— even us whom he has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles?" (Romans 9:19-24 ESV) What Christians want is mercy for all as it has been revealed by his Word to be received--through explicit faith in Christ...
@jdchitty Then not only is your God compassionless but he also isn't just.; to use human beings with a sort of indifference a clay maker would have for his clay pots would support that notion. And if the latter point you made were true, such horrible atrocities like the spanish inquisuition or the crusades would not have occured. In theory what you believe is an absurd generalization of what actually plays out in societies across the globe.
@souldude81 I'm not here to correct the modern criticism of the crusades or inquisition. Christ called Christians to preach the gospel, baptize repentant believers and teach them to confess, trust and obey Jesus. The fact that we often fail to do so, and otherwise contradict real obedience to that call is a criticism of Christians, not the religion itself. ur Creator, as the Potter, has greater rights than u. U sinned in Adam and deserve death, but haven't. That's merciful (Rom. 5:15-21)...
@jdchitty No, it's simply the many instances where Christians has been the source of evil. Today Christians are more concerned about "being saved" then about being reformed as people. You site scripture because you do not trust the Holy spirit to speak through you. Although Jesus never said the bible would be your counciler but the Holy spirit Himself. And BTW if your potter analogy were true, your parents would have rights over you. What you advocate is slavery. There was a war foughtover that?
@souldude81 All Scripture is breathed out by God (2 Timothy 3:16-17 ESV). Scripture is the product of the breath of God. The Greek for breath is also the Greek for Spirit. The Holy Spirit speaks through his Word proclaimed and uses it alone to save sinners who repent and believe (Rom 10:17). "Therefore put away all filthiness and rampant wickedness and receive with meekness the implanted word, which is able to save your souls" (James 1:21 ESV).
@jdchitty Well if Jesus was telling the truth about the Holy Spirit then virtually any thing that some one says under the influence of the Holy spirit is also the breath of God. The only difference is one's on paper and the other not. But once again, people site scripture because they are too afraid to listen to the voice of the Holy spirit. Anybody can read the bible and memorize scripture and through it around when something agrees with their political or social views. Your no different.
@souldude81 Skeptics love to point out that anyone can make the Bible say whatever they want it to. How much more can they make the Holy Spirit "say something" just because they said he said it, without backing it up with the Word which he inspired? What you advocate is a mysticism that sanctifies one's own imagination. Appealing to Scripture as my authority on what I believe about God and what my duty to him and you is, is much more objective than such subjective mysiticism.
He may be a bit annoying but his points are 100% spot on. This guy Rob Bell sounds like has lost his way.
surrealist2k 6 days ago
Rob (Dumb)Bell
MrMfloor 1 week ago
Where's the repentance? Only love? Okay we can keep living our sinful lifestyle and God won't judge us!!!! WRONGGGGGGGG!
MrMfloor 1 week ago
Rob Bell is scaring me......if we don't have a code(the bible) what do we believe?
MrMfloor 1 week ago
You're speaking all of this "Gospel truth," but I don't see how this fits in in any way with the part of the Gospel that says love your enemy; pray for those who curse you. Bless and do not curse. Rob Bell is simply asking questions that a lot of people have asked, just not out loud. I don't necessarily agree with his conclusion, but you can't just bash him. Love is still a part of the Gospel, and this video seems very unloving.
phssoccer24 2 weeks ago
@phssoccer24 yes but Rob Bell is saying everyone will be saved even after they die -_- This video isn't hateful. It is just showing the sheep where the wolves are.
3BALL4 1 day ago
Yes, Rob Bell, Ghandi is in hell if he did not repent! Yes, Rob Bell, Jeus said MANY will go the way of destruction and FEW will find the way that leads to life! Who does Rob Bell think he is? What an arrogant man calling into question God's word!
rolysantos 2 weeks ago
To me, this video illustrates the point well. Why do people find Todd Friel condescending?
He have to look at the Bible for truth. Questioning it's principles, as a pastor, seems irresponsible. The questions are tough to answer, but can we not trust in God? Do we need to provide an alternative to what God says? Let us read the Bible and study, then we will see.
Jesus asks us to be ready when the master comes. You, Me, Todd, Rob, John MacArthur: Let us strive to enter. Forget speculation
E0Kell 3 weeks ago
@E0Kell Amen, my friend!
catlyana13 3 weeks ago
"The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, 'Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!' " (John 1:29) For all of you who enjoyed this comedy routine that ridicules and misrepresents the view of Christian Universalism, I urge you to actually investigate it for yourself. Just because a guy yells into a constantly moving camera on a fancy studio set doesn't mean he's right.
nrolett 1 month ago
Your condescending style is shameful. You spout your dogma, but never bother to investigate the views you criticize. The straw men you construct are too many to count. This "heresy" you talk about was the dominate view of Christians for the first 4 centuries, till the Latin theologins started preaching the eternal torment doctrine. "And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world." (1 John 2:2)
nrolett 1 month ago
I just LOVE it when John Macarthur comes on at the end
3BALL4 1 month ago
I just LOVE it when John Macarthur comes on at the end
3BALL4 1 month ago
It's all about Jesus. The story of the world, the meaning of life, the path to eternal joy... Jesus. Sure there are religious extremists who attack all those who oppose their view, but let's not take that out on Jesus. His message is far too valuable. I love you all... why? Because Jesus loved you enough to die for you, so if He loves you then so do I. God bless.
cdklassen2 1 month ago
Todd "Gandhi is in Hell" Friell. All you need to know.
ddrninjette 1 month ago
@ddrninjette i'd say, unless there was a deathbed repentance, he is 100% right
RGraw 1 month ago
@RGraw Exactly.
ddrninjette 1 month ago
i love how he makes robs point .
luvdady 1 month ago
@luvdady why? Rob is WRONG!
3BALL4 1 month ago
This guy seems to have a huge superiority complex, in contrast to the humility to which the bible calls all of its believers. It's written all over his face and in his body language. Do you see his swagger? The tone in his voice is disgusting! Who can follow a man like this? If his bible is right, he's goin' down for his excessive pride! I'm through wasting my time on this fool!
Ray77063 1 month ago
You haven't READ the book yet? lol!
nursewriter 1 month ago
NO ONE knows just how many will end up in hell, but they most certainly WILL NOT burn forever, the Bible DOES NOT teach this. Here is what it actually says, "For behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch" (Malachi 4:1). Does this say anything about burning 'forever'??
jebeja 1 month ago
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks this Todd guy is ignorant and childish.
The wages of sin is death. Therefore by dying one's debt is paid. Jesus died for all sins, past and present, pre-baptism and post-baptism. This notion of eternal punishment is indoctrinate and just wishful thinking amongst Catholics and prejudice, uneducated preachers.
codyhill06 1 month ago
A blatant atheist I work with read Love Wins and told me he really liked the message. I had to re-explain the entire gospel from the beginning to him; he decided I didn't even know my own religion.
jayjaygee123 2 months ago
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@jayjaygee123
Here's a great quote from AW.Pink:
"The very fact that universalism is so popular with the wicked is proof irresistable that it is not the system taught in the bible"
Blessings.
gtrjunky 2 months ago
Yes, we took down Rob Bell! Well, that ended up being easy. Now, let's take down the candidates that seek Christian votes who only say they are Christian and pro-life. Just as Rob Bell, they also want to be followed.
exiled30 2 months ago
Rob Bell is dreadful..and yet, his products are filling Christian book shops, which looks to me like selling illegal drugs to Christians. I was even recommended by a shop keeper at Wesley Owen but after watching his DVD for 10minutes I smelt heresy and said no to the shopkeeper. It is so sad. I rarely come across Christians who know and talk the Bible message properly.
skippy3737 2 months ago
what do I think of this guy and of rob bell? . . .they are both in need of God's grace.
SterlingTate 2 months ago
This is an incredible video message. Why aren't more preachers warning and contending? Why are they discouraging and even chasing out their watchmen?
Standup4theTruth 2 months ago
This guy is a dickhead.
shreddakj 3 months ago
@shreddakj You sir/mam, fail. Yes he is rather blunt, no he is not a "Dickhead."
KoyanTheWanderer 2 months ago
@KoyanTheWanderer No he's actually an arrogant dickhead.
shreddakj 2 months ago
@shreddakj I guess we all have our own places where we fail. I disagree with you, but I will grant this one failure. Next time, fail in a more graceful manner. ;)
KoyanTheWanderer 2 months ago
@KoyanTheWanderer Fail in a more graceful manner? I fail (rofl) to see how calling him a dickhead equals failing. Failing is usually attempting something and getting it wrong. I attempted to call him a dickhead, and I succeeded. You called my success a failure, and in doing so, failed yourself. You sir/ma'am, fail.
shreddakj 2 months ago
"Well, now, we haven't read the book..."
Well, ok, go read it before you talk about it!
sixhand 3 months ago 2
@sixhand "We" as in second person... not me or us. he is saying "we", as in all of you.
KoyanTheWanderer 2 months ago
@KoyanTheWanderer ...... "We" as in first person plural.
sixhand 2 months ago
@sixhand are you brainwashed? he talked about the promo not the book
gilbert4321 2 months ago
@gilbert4321 Right, but he needs to read the book before he talks about someone like that.
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@gilbert4321 Look I'm not a Rob Bell fan. His videos are, too, wishy-washy for me, and he does have bad theology. However, sixhand's right (minus the cursing). You do need to read somebody's work before you talk negative about them. You need info to back up one's claim. Otherwise, it's just being judgmental.
Todd's done this before such as with Ayn Rand. He didn't read her work, but refuted her with only somebody else's opinion. Todd needs to read the book or keep his mouth shut.
exiled30 2 months ago
Rob Bell put into words something I've long suspected in my heart-- the Good News is WAY better than what I learned back in Sunday School. I dance with incredible JOY now in a way I never could before-- God knows EXACTLY what He's doing!! He's made a way that blows away whatever you THINK you've heard. READ it, man-- READ IT!
frithar 3 months ago
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You are full of it!!! You are the only Wretched thing here....
TheMichael197513 3 months ago
What a load of crap. Sooo many assumptions.
garethralfe 3 months ago
I just love Todd's straw man show. This snake oil salesman doesn't have the spine to take on people like Rob Bell because he knows he would be completely owned. So instead he resorts to using strawman tactics. The sooner this smuck gets off television the better.
barbiquearea 4 months ago
@barbiquearea Well actually Rob Bell is too big of a wuss to answer Emails or take phone calls or accept debate offers, challenging his piss poor theology. Rob Bell won't face people that are theologically astute because he only like the mindless, drooling drones that show up on sunday morning at his "church" and swallow his garbage hook, line and sinker.
cYberNiNja08 3 months ago
Is this show just about attacking Rob Bell?
iMentieth 4 months ago
Wow, this guy is super quick to make assumptions about Rob and is flat out calling him a universalist when he hasn't even read the book to understand the context. All I see is questions being asked. No claims about the bible being wrong or anything blasphemous.
irhugo22 4 months ago
Jesus too was a fundamentalists. He would be murdered much more quickly today and once again the religious leaders would be shouting, "Give us Barabas!"
bcuzbro 4 months ago
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The Bible does not teach eternal punishment. God's love and mercy endures forever. Does it really endure forever or only in this life? How can it be Good News if it doesn't translate to the afterlife?
1 Timothy 4:10- This is why we work hard and continue to struggle, for our hope is in the living God, who is the Savior of all people and particularly of all believers.
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whatthehellbook 5 months ago
Has this guy even seen any of rob bells other videos they are.... Inspiring
marioreshiram 5 months ago
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I've just written a book about Hell & eternity and what the Scriptures actually teach about the subject. Enough with the talking points Mr. Friel, study the original language and you'll see something far different than this view of Hell you hold.
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alyssafaithbaer 6 months ago
This was such a turn-off. Talk about hypocrite.
OfficialJTC 6 months ago
@OfficialJTC Yea, truth has never been popular.
N2truth7 5 months ago
Bell's problem is that he doesn't care what the word of God says. It's easy to see. Almost every verse he uses in his book is taken out of context and made to say something God never intended the verse to say. If you'd like to read a review that shows Bells errors and the deception behind his work, visit... Hells Bell Dot..... Net
PreachingJesus 7 months ago
WOW THis guy has lost it!
fourpattens 8 months ago
Universlaism is a satanic lie designed to give false hope to lost people.
cqqrzgth 8 months ago
Amen Todd Friel, well said.
theflarpus 8 months ago
@theflarpus are you serious. If you watch the Love Wins promo video, Bell is talking from the perspective of people that *aren't* Christian. This guy is saying all these things are Bell's beliefs - he's so wrong!! It's from the perspective of someone who doesn't know much about Christianity!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Goodness me - it's so painfully obvious.
jaydenlawson 8 months ago
@jaydenlawson - Do you believe Jesus the only way to be right with God? Do you believe in hell/eternal punishment? What do you believe Jesus has come to save us from?
theflarpus 8 months ago
@theflarpus a) Yes, if you have heard of him. b) Yes, eternal in effect (ie - instant), not an eternal, ongoing punishment. c) Sin.
This was a response to what this guy is actually saying about the Rob Bell Love Wins Promo Video. Watch it again if you can't remember how incredibly and amazingly wrong he gets basically EVERYTHING. The Love Wins video is mainly about non-Christian's perspective's of Christianity. I'm honestly shocked he drew so many INSANELY stupid conclusions from it. Shame.
jaydenlawson 8 months ago
@jaydenlawson What does Todd Friel get wrong and yes I am serious. I am talking about Todds theology. And please explain your non-belief in eternal punishment and the if they have heard of him.
theflarpus 8 months ago
@jaydenlawson Friend, I have watched an interview of Rob bell on cnn. I have listened to a couple of critiques on his book and this promo does seem to be explaining his view of God and salvation. And please try and keep this civil. You and I may be on two opposite ends of the spectrum where both of us cannot be right and be saved. i have a feeling this is the case but I hope it is not. We are all bad and need a savior God owes us nothing.
theflarpus 8 months ago
Yeah right, I was talking about Bell, because he's more concerned about how he'd look in a muscle pose down...
pworam68 9 months ago
preach it Todd
cinderella1976 9 months ago
Rob Like the Pharaoh is the Judgment of God on false believers
demonsmasher2 10 months ago
@gimarr I'm not trying to impress you. I'm trying to demonstrate to you that I have "read the Bible," and that there's a very good chance that I've delved very deeply into it, including learning the original languages of the originals.
brgulker 10 months ago
@gimarr Actually, I have read the Bible. I have a Bachelor's degree in Religion, and a Master's in Divinity. I know Greek and Hebrew.
Care to compare resumes?
brgulker 10 months ago
@brgulker So what!! I'm not impressed! You've obviously haven't read it in a while if you're going to defend someone like Rob Bell!! Degree or no degree!!
gimarr 10 months ago 2
@gimarr rob bell is an universalist....he don't believe in Jesus
cinderella1976 9 months ago
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ditto @brgulker "Fire your camera man, dude. That is some awful mid-90's work right there. Also, read Rob's book. You clearly haven't. "
ETpops 10 months ago
Fire your camera man, dude. That is some awful mid-90's work right there. Also, read Rob's book. You clearly haven't.
brgulker 10 months ago
@brgulker He wasn't talking about Rob Bell's book, he was talking about what he said in his video promo for the book. There is enough garbage in that video to see that he's teaching a false Gospel message. He's a heretic plain and simple. Read the Bible! You clearly haven't !
gimarr 10 months ago 2
@brgulker rob bell is a sham
cinderella1976 9 months ago
This guy is a big jackass. He should run for public office - I could see him as a politician. Smug, self-righteous and completely arrogant. Anyone who actually says he knows the mind of God, who goes to heaven and who goes to hell, doesn't deserve the time of day. And for the record, the hyper arm flailing, bouncing around and yelling schtick doesn't make you look hip; it just makes you look like the idiot you actually are.
pworam68 10 months ago
@pworam68 you talking about rob bell right?
cinderella1976 9 months ago
I am so glad Todd answered the question is Gandhi in hell with: "nobody truly knows..." Because no one does, but we know the criterion for going to heaven. Good job Todd.
bella50008 10 months ago
the new inquisitors now have videos on youtube and are so funny.
And the most terrible of all is that there are Christians who say amen to these guys. Todd did not even bother to read the book ...
This video shows how low we can fall.
djdiaz7 11 months ago
Thank you so much for your video. Many of us are trying our best to refute the heresy that Rob Bell is selling, but I agree with you that we waited too long. May the true gospel be proclaimed throughout the world!
1aliveinchrist 11 months ago
Rob Bell needs to repent from sending people to hell. He 's a danger to himself & all who follow his erroneous belief. GOD is LOVE who sent His Son Jesus to die for all of us! There is no love to be experienced w/o HIM! Otherwise, the sacrifice on the cross was in vain & we'd all be lost. JESUS lives in pure love, receive Him!
Odettesharesherheart 11 months ago
I think Todd's doctrinal assertions here are right on, and for the record, I do believe Rob Bell, while still loved of Jesus, is preaching false doctrine. My only caution would be found in these two passages; Ephesians 4:15 & 16 "...speaking the truth in love" and I Corinthians 13: 5. "Love does not behave rudely". I don't think there was any biblical or spiritual leading to mock Rob Bell's appearance or clothing. We lose our credibility as contenders of the faith when we engage in ridicule
ninasju 11 months ago
@ninasju Why do you think Bell is loved of Jesus, which I cannot know, only God can, but why would you tell Bell that or would you refer him to Jude as show him the "false teachers" : 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. " Wretched is right - Bell is on the road to hell and leading others there. I pray for him.
1aliveinchrist 11 months ago
@1aliveinchrist Why do I think Bell is loved of Jesus? Because Scripture says he is. God loves us when we're in rebellion and steeped in sin. I believe with all my heart He wants Bell to repent and come to a true faith in the true Christ. Romans 5:8 "But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us." / 2 Peter 3:9 "The Lord is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance."
ninasju 11 months ago
@ninasju A good question to consider is who the "US" is that Paul referred to in Romans. Was that "US" every person on the planet, or was Paul writing to believers? Believers clearly. And, if Paul thought EVERYONE were going to be saved no matter what they believed, no matter their doctrine, then why would he spend so much effort to correct the "foolish Galatians" and warn us about false gospels. I hope you will consider these questions carefullly. Sound Doctrine is vital and biblical. God Bless
1aliveinchrist 11 months ago
@1aliveinchrist I think I may have miscommunicated something. I believe Hell exists and people have been going there for years and years when. I believe Rob Bell is teaching heresy, and he, along with the people who are buying his teachings need to repent and turn to true doctrine of repentence and substitutionary atonement. I also believe that as long as he has a pulse, he has time to repent and so do they. God loves them and does not want them to be lost. Does that clear things up?
ninasju 11 months ago
@ninasju We are agreed up until the end of what you said, but I'm glad you cleared that up. I see that Scripture teaches us that anyone who is of the elect of God will repent, and will be saved. We can never know who these are, so in that sense, yes, he has his entire life to repent. If he does not, then he will be in hell. As far as God "loving" everyone, I cannot agree scripturally, though this is not something those outside of the reformed understanding want to hear. (Cont.)
1aliveinchrist 11 months ago
@ninasju (Cont. 2) God loved Jacob but hated Esau, and Paul uses this in Romans 9 to also show that "not all of Israel are Israel." Only those who are the "spiritual seed" of Abraham will be saved. Jesus looked at the pharisees who were accusing him and said they did not know him (John 8) because they were not of him. They were "of their father the devil." We also know from scripture that some are turned over to Satan for a while to teach them about how to be humble. Could this be the case for
1aliveinchrist 11 months ago
@ninasju (Cont 3) ...could this be the case for Bell? Maybe. If he repents and denounces all of his heresy, then Praise God for the mighty work that God wrought in him (Eph 2:10 - For we are God's workmanship created unto good works -- but remember that the "we" in this verse is to beleivers.) So, I hope that clears up my position for you. Thank you for responding, and God BLess.
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ninasju 11 months ago
Praise God that Todd is willing and able to share the truth of the Gospel! Rob Bell is truly a wolf in sheep's clothing. Why has no one stepped up earlier and confronted Bell? I can't wait to listen to more of Todd, he is truly a man of God who only wants to share the good news of the Gospel....the REAL news of the Gospel!
blueicequeen19 11 months ago
I will so go far as to question whether or not Rob Bell is actually a Christian.
Outrider74 11 months ago
@Outrider74 Agreed.
jmprov356 11 months ago
spirit of ANTIchrist
MrAltizer3 11 months ago
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Creationcreed 11 months ago
God Bless Todd Friel! In my circles I'm one of the only guy's who's been telling my pastor Rob Bell is messed up. Since he questioned how important the virgin birth is, I knew there was no more need, no more time to waste. Who would ask "is the Bible the best that God can do?" He should have been sniped for that statement alone! He was out of the closet then! ? Why have we been kicking a dead moose? (I'm Canadian) Farewell Rob Bell.
androcracy 11 months ago
@longs2bfree Definition of love, John 3:16, laying down your life for someone who you care about that is love. No person has ever done this truly as He, (Jesus) has and the Father accept him. Only one was perfect in thought, word, and deed, and this is the one who was accepted, Jesus. The proof is the resurrection. Also where does it say that "All men will be saved?" In Timothy it reads that He desires all men to be saved, how many will reject Jesus, cause they want to do it their way?
Shoots1978 11 months ago
Todd Friel: "Paul said, let them be anathema, let them be cursed if they preach any other gospel." He implicitly adds: "than the one preached by the Reformed".
Hrugnir 11 months ago 2
Jesus said, I am the way the truth and the life...No one comes to the Father except through Me. There ya go. So you must accept Jesus as your savior to go to Heaven. You can't get there just by being good.
piiinnk11 11 months ago 14
@piiinnk11 sounds easier than just "being good."
ktrigg2 10 months ago
@piiinnk11 ::If you really believe that. More and more do not. Was that just put there to give the church leadership more power? Carlton Pearson had a revelation that no one goes to hell for unbelief. He left the Pentecostal church and became a 'new thought' preacher.
Pretending that the bible is the 'word of God' is a dying belief. The bible is just too full of contradiction and error.
k0smon 5 months ago
@k0smon So Carlton Pearson's "revelation" is equivolent to God's word? How do I know that he really did hear from God? I mean maybe he just ate some bad pizza?
Truthunderfire21 5 months ago
@Truthunderfire21 ::: Did God write a book? I don't think so. By their fruits ye shall know them. It was a life changing decision for him. I agree at least in part with his decision.
k0smon 5 months ago
@k0smon Ok...the question was...Is Pearson'e "revelation" equivolent to God's word and how do you know that he really heard from God?
That's the question.
Truthunderfire21 5 months ago
@k0smon Just in case you didn't understand the question, I'll repeat it a 3rd time...
Is Pearson's "revelation" equivolent to God's word and how do you know that he actually heard from God?
Truthunderfire21 5 months ago
@Truthunderfire21 ::: What is God's word? The bible? There is plenty of reason to discount the 'inerrancy" of the scriptures. Any book that describes a perfect God as having human frailties such as anger, wrath, or hatred cannot be correct. And it goes on to describe the same perfect God as sending people to hell forever. Even you would not do that to people. I believe that Carton did hear from God, to correct erroneous beliefs resulting from the mis-statements in the bible.
k0smon 5 months ago
@k0smon How do you know that he heard from God? Maybe he smoked something and thought he heard from God?
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k0smon 5 months ago
@k0smon Well I rely on what I say and prayer and I say he's wrong therefor my opinion is just asgood as yours.
Truthunderfire21 5 months ago
@Truthunderfire21 ::: If it works for you, then work it. Everyone is on their own level of understanding,. I hope you will not be afraid of spiritual growth.
k0smon 5 months ago
@k0smon In addition to that, why should anyone listen to you? What makes your ideas and standars of how God "ought to be" correct?
Truthunderfire21 5 months ago
@k0smon Actually it's man made ideas such as your that are "dying". It's people like you who are full of contradiction and error.
Truthunderfire21 5 months ago
@Truthunderfire21 :::Sorry, your research is faulty. There is more and more rationality coming into being regarding the Christian religion. Thanks to people like Bart Ehrman and Carlton Pearson who are not afraid of the consequences of revealing the truth as they understand it, more and more people are beginning to reexamine 'the old time religion'. There is the old question about the Trinity being examined. The bible is a quagmire of truth and fiction and cannot be taken literally.
k0smon 5 months ago
@k0smon Actually, thanks to me, everything that you say concerning God and spirituality is a quagmire of truth and trith and fiction and you can't be taken literally. In fact, you have no objective standard of what truth even is ergo no one should even regard what you say.
Truthunderfire21 5 months ago
@Truthunderfire21 :::God and spirituality is understood differently by different people. If you are stuck in fundamentalist Christianity, so be it. What is good for me definitely would not be understood by you. My basic understanding of God comes from a book called Oahspe, which you have never heard of. Since you have little maturity, no one should regard what you have to say either (unless it makes good sense to them). Adios !
k0smon 5 months ago
@k0smon I don't really care to understand whatever it is that you think because it's totally made up by you and has zero basis or objectiveness to at all.
Truthunderfire21 5 months ago
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@Truthunderfire21 :: The real problem is that you do not think.
k0smon 5 months ago
@k0smon See, my "maturity" level isn't really the issue here it's just that you have no basis for anything you say therefor ad-hominems are all you have left.
Truthunderfire21 5 months ago
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@Truthunderfire21 ::::Perhaps the real problem is that you have no maturity.
k0smon 5 months ago
Todd should stop doing these "Christian" videos and apply for a job with:
Zaboomafoo, or The Wiggles
His silly, childish style would be more fitting for this genre!
brystu 11 months ago
Does Todd Friel have any friends? I don't know how someone who yells this much can have any friends.
bgoodheyhey 11 months ago
@bgoodheyhey I'm friends with Todd!!! He doesn't YELL. This is him at work. He doesn't talk like this when you're face-to-face! He is amazingly gifted by God in these days to bring about the truth and the gospel to those who have ears to hear!
TheJewelmom 11 months ago 2
This video makes me dizy.
jpatrickhill 11 months ago
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bcvikingman 11 months ago
Dear dear friends. It is not what we do or don't do. It is who we are. What is our heart condition. Are we in Christ (Christ in nature and will) or we are not. Only those who are in Christ/God nature will survive. And Rob Bell is point on. There is no place of torture. Those who are not in pure heart/Christ will just die. Never to exist again. Jesus said "I will say I NEVER knew you". So simple it is complecated. This man in this video is just full of fear. But he chooses it.
celticlady653 11 months ago
Todd,
It's interesting your comment "who get into hell?" Not "who gets into heaven?"
This is awfu and full of presumptions.
kevinolenick 1 year ago
"He's literally a mighty oak..." I don't think I can take spiritual advice from someone who doesn't know what "literally" means! That's just me...
octobersgift1 1 year ago
Rob Bell's demeanor is insulting. What kind of pastor mocks dissent to promote a new book?
absoluteblock 1 year ago
sooo calling out a wolf:
Wretched Network.
Guitaraddict127 1 year ago
this is the most retarded thing i have ever heard
Guitaraddict127 1 year ago
linda.grateful1 @jwissick&JMcH you seem to be missing the real message. It is NOT about Ghandi, it is about Jesus. My husband & I were missionaries in India for 9 yrs. It's easy to romantise Ghandi & India. In truth it is not Romantic. It is a country in poverty because of their belief, their treatment of their fellow countrymen (caste system). Their disreguard for life, believing that you deserve whatever you get; no compassion, no sacrifice for their fellow man. That is not the real Gospel.
lindagratefulone1 1 year ago
@jwissick,@JMcH ..you seem to be missing the real message. It is NOT about Ghandi, it is about Jesus. My husband and I were missionaries in India for 9 years. It is 'easy' to romantise Ghandi and India...in truth it is not Romantic. It is a country in poverty because of their belief, their treatment of their fellow countrymen (caste system). Their disreguard for life, believing that you deserve whatever you get...no compassion, no sacrifice for their fellow man. That is not the real Gospel.
lindagratefulone1 1 year ago
@lindagratefulone1 Ghandi acheived a country for his people invoking non violent resistence which sounds very close to the basic principles of Christianity. No matter what your personal feelings are for him and other religions. You can't take anything away from Ghandi.
souldude81 11 months ago
Funny, because when I heard "love wins" I heard "Jesus wins." Is Jesus not love?!
bblande 1 year ago
If love wins, as Bell portrays it, then holiness and justice lose.
Ken Silva at Apprising Ministries is reviewing an advance copy of the book. So far it's clear Bell is advocating "universal reconciliation," in which unbelievers do go to hell, but will eventually be reconciled to God.
I always say, "Rob Bellion" is as the sin of witchcraft!
jdchitty 1 year ago
@jdchitty But isn't the very notion that God would forgive even the most "wretched of sinners" the biggest injustice of all? Technically Hitler could have been saved if he repented and gave his life to Jesus, even after killing 6 million Jews. What gets me about Christians is that they want mercy for themself but justice for everyone else.
Love on the other hand isn't about being fair or just, it is about over coming it so that evil would have no place to hide. Greatest of virtues is it not
souldude81 11 months ago
@souldude81 "What gets me about Christians is that they want mercy for themself but justice for everyone else." Ad hominem--what this Christian wants is glory for a holy God who not only forgives, but is also just. See Scripture passage in next reply...
jdchitty 11 months ago
@jdchitty It isn't an "ad hominem" because from my experience it's the truth. Pardoning isn't justice it's compassion. It transends religion because it is part of human nature. Hence I suppose I should not have said that; just Christians, but really the entire human race.
souldude81 11 months ago
@souldude81 The "justice" and righteousness of Christ's death is in the fact that, if Christ had not died for sin, then God would've been unrighteous and unjust to have failed to justly mete out judgment for the sins that had taken past since the creation of the world (Rom. 3:25). Once the just sentence for sin has been served in Christ, forgiveness is available for all who will believe. Whosoever will may come in repentance and faith and will receive forgiveness by God's mercy. Why not you?
jdchitty 11 months ago
@jdchitty I don't believe in such a thing. What you call sin is what I call human nature. Your second point is wrong. The act of Jesus dying on the cross isn't just. If it were just it would have been you up on the cross instead of Jesus. The guilty pay the price not the innocent, that's the CORRECT definition of justice. If we make the assumption God died for your sins, that part is unjust. As I said before it was compassion "passion of the Christ" that you were saved not justice.
souldude81 11 months ago
@souldude81 If you don't believe, then I can only pray for you. As for the definition of "justice," consider the New Testament Greek word which is being translated in Romans 3:26 as "just." The word is transliterated into English as dikaios, and is used in many senses, it's not locked in to the 21st century sense you're trying to restrict our English translation of the Greek New Testament into. A valid alternate translation is "righteous." Righteousness is biblically faithfulness to a covenant.
jdchitty 11 months ago
@jdchitty No. But I refuse to play the semantical game with you, because I think if we are both speak and THINK in comtemporary North American english (albet I am from Canada) then the words we use SHOULD be also. I know what just means, what compassion and passion means. I don't need a latin lesson on their origins because it has little impact on my point. Now if the bible uses these words in another context, then please adapt them so that I can understand what you mean. Thanks.
souldude81 11 months ago
@jdchitty Pray away, but praying is a way for Christians to feel like they have control over something they have no control over. This is why I think you guys need to believe n an after life. You guys fear death. You have no control.
Anyways at this juncture millions are praying for Japan, but their prayers I sincerely doubt are having an impact on how the events are playing out. I don't think the out come would be any different if no one was praying for Japan.
souldude81 11 months ago
@souldude81 As for "passion" and compassion. The word passion in the sense of the passion of Christ is from the Latin "passio" which means to suffer. "Compassion" is to suffer with. We agree that Christ was compassionate for sinners as he propitiated (rendered the wrathful God favorable toward the sinner on whose behalf the offering is made) God the Father as he righteously/justly kept his promise first spoken in Gen. 3:15 and unpacked throughout the entire OT and fulfilled in Christ's death.
jdchitty 11 months ago
@souldude81 You will say to me then, “Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?” But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?” Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? ... (see next reply)...
jdchitty 11 months ago
@jdchitty I am an individual who can think for himself and I don't ask such questions, because for me they are irelevent. To answer your hypothetical/ retorical question, my answer is no. I'm not a slave.
souldude81 11 months ago
@souldude81 According to Jesus, ur a slave to sin (John 8:34). "Thinking" for yourself, without the aid of divine revelation will result in your only ever suppressing what you know instinctively about your omnipotent Creator, in order to worship that which he created instead of him (Rom. 1:18-23). Besides, it wasn't my rhetorical question, but the Apostle Paul's (Romans 9:19-24). Just in case you missed that fact. All my previous replies were actually one long reply, in part quoting this passage
jdchitty 11 months ago
@jdchitty According to the bible the world is flat, and the earth goes around the sun, the mustard seed is the smallest of all seeds, there is a ferminent in the sky, and Jesus second coming was suppose to occure before ever last witnessed died. None of this is true, and neither is your belief in sin. IMHO of course. Yes it was your rhetorical question because you weren't sincerely asking me because you answered it yourself. U used scripture to express your opinions. Very much your words.
souldude81 11 months ago
@souldude81 You need to read the Chicago Statement on Biblical Inerrancy to learn how conservative evangelical Christrians really (or ought to, some are admittedly and willfully ignorant, as are many skeptics) understand the concepts of literalism and inerrancy of Scripture. Link to my blog from my YouTube page and find my page called "Creeds, etc." to read the statement. Ever heard of phenomenological language?
jdchitty 11 months ago
@jdchitty I haven't met one Christian that took the bible literally from cover to cover. Every Christian picks and chooses what to believe and what is simply "Biblical inerrancy". Also, if Christians take the teachings of Jesus to heart at verbatim, Christians would actually have faith in the Holy Spirit to speak truthfully through them. But, they don't, this is why they site scripture instead of speak in their own words; no chance for error. That is a sign of lack of faith in the Holy Spirit.
souldude81 11 months ago
@souldude81 On the second coming, liberal theologians can treat the text just as hyper-literally as we all love to lampoon the most backwoods fundamentalist, only they do it to criticize the Bible, as you are doing now. On the Second Coming, I think you're alluding to Matthew 24:30 re: Son of Man coming in clouds--This most clearly is end-time language that recalls Daniel's prophecy (Dan. 7:13–14) and points to Jesus' return at the end of the age (cf. 2 Thess. 1:7–10; Rev. 19:11–16)
jdchitty 11 months ago
@souldude81 As for my quoting Paul's rhetorical question and thus making it my own: fine. It's no secret that I agree with the Bible that ungrateful sinners who would suppress their inherent knowledge of the God of the Bible will accuse him of being unfair in how he decides to dispense his justice and grace. The exception to the rule is those he graciously awakens to new life and love for him by his Spirit (Eph. 2). It's a miracle of God illuminating his Word to the sinner.
jdchitty 11 months ago
@jdchitty Sometimes I ask myself why would a God who has everything, knows everything, and can do anything would feel jealous over people who do not give him their undivided attention? It's like me getting jealous over ants living out their ant lives. It sounds strange that God is willing to depart with any of his creation if everything is already his. If most people are going to hell, then alot of God's essence will be done there too. Hmm, unless maybe Christians perception of hell isn't true?
souldude81 11 months ago
@souldude81 You didn't create the ants, and they aren't obligated to obey you because of the fact that you are it's creator, nor because you redeemed them from eternal punishment. But God created you, put his law in your heart, and on tables of stone, entered into covenant with Adam who represented you therein, failed to obey God's command and was confirmed in sin, therefore his guilt was imputed to those he represented (all of us) and a nature bound to sin was inherited by him...
jdchitty 11 months ago
@souldude81 ...you are obligated to obey God, but can't and won't (Rom. 8:7), and God decreed that the person that sins must die, so now, if they don't, then he's waffling on his own decree. A consistent God who does what he says is better than a permissive God who threatens judgment and then lets sinners go free without the sentence being served. Christ volunteered to serve the sentence for sinners, so that God's patience with sinners doesn't impugn his integrity. Thus ...
jdchitty 11 months ago
@jdchitty you took romans 8:7 out of context reread and start at verse 5 you cannot do one liners without knowing the context of what was taken.
tfrIrate 11 months ago
@souldude81 ...repentant believers r doubly obligated to obey God, not only because he created them, but also because he redeemed them. Just as the preamble to the 10 Commandments has God declaring "I'm the LORD who brought you out of the house of bondage," and has them to therefore keep the 10 Commandments, so r believers to respond to spiritual salvation in grateful, loving obedience. Jesus said, "If you love me, you will keep my commandments." John wrote "we love because he first loved us."..
jdchitty 11 months ago
@souldude81 ...thus, he's not some touchy God who gets his feelings hurt by tiny ants, but a God who reveals himself to his creatures through covenantal relationships. If we violate these covenants, the sanctions of the covenant must be administered. That's why he's "a jealous God." It helps to know the context, unless folks just like throwing darts at God without caring to know why the Bible says what it says. Just looking for excuses to criticize him.
jdchitty 11 months ago
@souldude81 "...What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory— even us whom he has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles?" (Romans 9:19-24 ESV) What Christians want is mercy for all as it has been revealed by his Word to be received--through explicit faith in Christ...
jdchitty 11 months ago
@jdchitty Then not only is your God compassionless but he also isn't just.; to use human beings with a sort of indifference a clay maker would have for his clay pots would support that notion. And if the latter point you made were true, such horrible atrocities like the spanish inquisuition or the crusades would not have occured. In theory what you believe is an absurd generalization of what actually plays out in societies across the globe.
souldude81 11 months ago
@souldude81 I'm not here to correct the modern criticism of the crusades or inquisition. Christ called Christians to preach the gospel, baptize repentant believers and teach them to confess, trust and obey Jesus. The fact that we often fail to do so, and otherwise contradict real obedience to that call is a criticism of Christians, not the religion itself. ur Creator, as the Potter, has greater rights than u. U sinned in Adam and deserve death, but haven't. That's merciful (Rom. 5:15-21)...
jdchitty 11 months ago
@jdchitty No, it's simply the many instances where Christians has been the source of evil. Today Christians are more concerned about "being saved" then about being reformed as people. You site scripture because you do not trust the Holy spirit to speak through you. Although Jesus never said the bible would be your counciler but the Holy spirit Himself. And BTW if your potter analogy were true, your parents would have rights over you. What you advocate is slavery. There was a war foughtover that?
souldude81 11 months ago
@souldude81 All Scripture is breathed out by God (2 Timothy 3:16-17 ESV). Scripture is the product of the breath of God. The Greek for breath is also the Greek for Spirit. The Holy Spirit speaks through his Word proclaimed and uses it alone to save sinners who repent and believe (Rom 10:17). "Therefore put away all filthiness and rampant wickedness and receive with meekness the implanted word, which is able to save your souls" (James 1:21 ESV).
jdchitty 11 months ago
@jdchitty Well if Jesus was telling the truth about the Holy Spirit then virtually any thing that some one says under the influence of the Holy spirit is also the breath of God. The only difference is one's on paper and the other not. But once again, people site scripture because they are too afraid to listen to the voice of the Holy spirit. Anybody can read the bible and memorize scripture and through it around when something agrees with their political or social views. Your no different.
souldude81 11 months ago
@souldude81 Skeptics love to point out that anyone can make the Bible say whatever they want it to. How much more can they make the Holy Spirit "say something" just because they said he said it, without backing it up with the Word which he inspired? What you advocate is a mysticism that sanctifies one's own imagination. Appealing to Scripture as my authority on what I believe about God and what my duty to him and you is, is much more objective than such subjective mysiticism.
jdchitty 11 months ago