Hatsumi Bujinkan Takagi Yoshin ryu

[DancesWithGhosts]

silent kill.

[niloneske]

Bujinkan has seen the ocatgon. Only once and it was ban. I am not saying that Bujinkan is the be all and end all but it is by no means something to be snuffed at.

[Nordrian]

One thing people don't understand: real fights don't happen in a ring, you don't warm up before a real fight, you don't expect it to happen, you don't have time to draw back so you are at the right distance, and your opponent doesn't expect moves such as those shown above, but well, as always, Hatsumi shows good techniques in my eyes, so I wont say more.

[robertocalor]

im sure aheavy weight boxer is difucult to fight but that is not im portant is about the philosofy and art

[nerfraider]

@MAfanatic, where he is griping contains both nerve clusters and major arteries. The purpose isn't to cause pain but to stop the brain from transmitting signals to the body

[Obiwan198]

Nagato (1st Tori) did the technique like it was all about timing etc, but Hatsumi (small ninja) didn't give the guy much space to move... or think.

[Peekingduck]

to each his own.

What's with the 'mine is bigger than yours attitude'.

First it was BJJ, Then MMA... it's all good... it changed

a lot of stuff in the martial arts world and that's worth a lot.

The classical martial arts have their place too, naturally !

Find the good points you have in common and drop the

bickering. It'll be a whole lot more productive, right.

[Tjaresh]

And the wheel turns round and round...

Another fruitless discussion about the effectiveness of a martial art. Judged by a someone who never studied it by just looking some youtube videos of a low Kata or a small training lesson.

Nobody would judge the effectiveness of Karate by looking at the Heian Nidan or the Kihon. Nobody would discuss the bad footwork of a Boxer punching the sandbag. But everybody expects, that the Bujinkan training is always like the real fight. Its just training.

[bizitch71717]

epic LARP

[KenshinRyuichi]

Soke destroys, watch out for your own finger nails.

HE'LL GIVE YOU A TEARING PAIN THAT LAST'S mentally...

[MAfanatic]

If you look at MMA champions you will find that 95% have traditional martial arts backgrounds that they expanded by looking outside the box (not like MOST - not all - traditionalists). They incorporated western boxing, Muay Thai, submission grappling, wrestling, etc. into their arsenal. They didn't hide behind stories of ancient masters and 500 old battles. They didn't play with rubber ninja stars. They had the WARRIOR COURAGE to test themselves through action not just talk.

[ninjutsucom]

And MMA's do not train with knives, guns, sticks and other weapons in the ring.

So what is you REAL point?

[MAfanatic]

Once again, MMA is a sport. Nothing can really simulate a fight. But they test their stricking and grappling skills, as well as conditioning and ability to take a blow in real time. No MMA champ would say he's a street fighter. But calling Ninjitsu street fighting or even effective self defense is also wrong. Most MMA guys have had some self defense training (japanese jiujitsu, krav maga, bjj self defense, etc.) I'd also put my money down on an mma champ than a ninjitsu master in a 'fight.'

[isl04033222]

@ninjutsucom If you feel safe with Knifes you don’t need to study MA you can just carry a kitchen knife or a gun with you in the streets (real as it gets baby).

If you study Martial Arts to defend yourself against a knife or a gun during self defense you are bound to get hurt/killed - ugly fact!

Street fighting is not is not choreographed/rehearsed, don’t believe me? Go and find out for yourself or better yet find a good MMA school!

[ravenwitch1]

@MAfanatic that´s right, i almost break the knee of a "black belt ninja" with a lover kick cause he was telling me his posture was "unbetable", he just fell down with full power i should have break her leg.

I studied some time in BJK but their techniques lack efectivity, they are just fantasy stuff that can´t be applied in combat, its sad to see teachers deceiving kids that by those ridiculous trainnings now they can become "ninjas"

[niloneske]

@MAfanatic While I know there is a reason behind Bujinkan being ban from MMA and all other competitive martial arts. This is possibly the first truely inteligent response and arguement that holds some validation over every other i have seen on youtube, and for that I comend you. 

[MAfanatic]

It is interesting that whenever one makes a critical comment about effectiveness of technique, he/she on traditional threads is always critically said to be an MMA fan. I love MMA because i love all combat. I'm sure REAL fighters (ninjitsu included) love watching MMA. MMA is not street fighting. NO MMA fighter would claim that it is. It's a sport. BUT - IT IS THE ONLY SPORT outside Brazil with minimal rules. So anyone can test himherself and see if "deadly" techniques work. Above move wont.

[ninjutsucom]

MMA has its place and can be very rewarding to study, watch and practice. So does traditional martial arts.

A person studies an art for what it brings to them. Sometimes this is for a soft inner power, Sometimes it is for gladiatorship. Sometimes it is for war.

It is all good and not that one is better than another.

Sometimes I drive my Sports Infinity and sometimes I drive my SUV.

[MAfanatic]

Traditional martial arts are excellent for many reasons. I agree. I would want my kids to practice traditional martial arts. If they ever want to change training methodolgy and try MMA (I would be upset because I dont want them to get hurt), it would be their choice. My only problem is when techniques are passed along as being 'lethal' when they would only get the practitioner badly hurt. Full contact fighters at least have an avenue of testing themselves.

[Balthamell]

The reason people react that way is because in many many cases the person making such comments turns out to be an mma fan and most often the kind that denounces TMA and praises MMA (as seen in UFC) as being superior...in a real fight. About testing "deadly techniques" in MMA, most techniques labeled as such outside of BJJ and other grappling/locking arts won't be touched by strict MMA fighters as MMA seems to be mostly about that these days (with a flavouring of Muay Thai)

[MAfanatic]

The problem is, too many people who follow MMA are teenagers who have their own little UFC fights in their backyards. It's terrible. But it's nothing new. In 70s Kung Fu was popular and teens were beating one another. Karate was 60s (same thing). We had ninja boom in 80s with people saying that all martial arts suck and ninjas would kill everyone. TKD hit the 90s with Olympics. BJJ was late 90s early 2000s. Now it's MMA.

[isl04033222]

@MAfanatic Just because MMA is a sport, dose not mean it is ineffective as self defense, I have come form a traditional MA and I have personally found MMA has been the most rewarding self defense for the streets, however I have gained some knowledge form my traditional MA which people in MMA find hard to understand.

[MAfanatic]

The irony about most traditional martial artists is that they would rather convince themselves of their DEADLINESS and the AWSOMENESS of their techique instead of saying, "HMM? Maybe there is some truth to the fact that this would fail. Lets try our ninjitsu against boxing, wrestling, mma, bjj, judo, etc. Maybe we can actually pick up some good, effective, battle tested techniques?" No. That would never happen.

[ninjutsucom]

In fact it does happen. All the time. Each dojo has it's own method for approaching the training of Budo Taijutsu. Just as there are many ways to drive a car. You cannot judge an entire art on a few youtube clips. What is share is training ideas not real combat. I can assure you real combat the game is stepped up.

[shotojojo1986]

@ninjutsucom dude. Whoever the hell you are, your like a Master of comebacks. LOL. Im a Karateka guy by the way. Its funny really, you learn all these techniques in many other martial arts. But what pisses me off is that no one wants to recognize them, yet when they do a similar variation they say it is correct. Ive trained and fought for 12 years. I plan to excel at my art and sport.

[ninjutsucom]

@shotojojo1986 All Budo is great and each person needs to find what fits them. From your experience you know for a fact you must do what works in the moment of the fight. I also studied Karate for about 9 years. The one great lesson it taught me was respect. Something many young martial artists no longer have.

[MyoushinRyuNinjutsu]

I have no formal training in Budo Taijutsu. I just learn from videos. But even so, I have used the techniques very well against other arts (including one time where I accidentally kicked the groin of my cousin using Hicho no Kata). I even asked my dad to spar with me (he's an MMA type fighter. I was able to block 97% of his attacks and counter 20%, but I lost patience and went for a takedown and ended up losing because duh). I spar with my Karateka friend every after class, kicked his leg hicho.

[MAfanatic]

Keep in mind, you could be a naturally gifted fighter and athlete. Majority are not and follow techniques blindly that the master demonstrates. That can get you killed. I'd get some formal training and you'll see your skills sky rocket. Don't fight your dad. lol Just see if you can join a gym.

[MyoushinRyuNinjutsu]

Yeah, you're right. I have seen some who are too engrossed on technique and fail to dig deeper.Most of the time they fail miserably. I'll keep your words in consideration. thanks :D

[superdruid999]

@MAfanatic "The irony about most traditional martial artists is that they would rather convince themselves of their DEADLINESS and the AWSOMENESS of their techique instead of saying" actually that is becoming rare. of cource there always be a handfull of teenage nerds who forget that these traditional styles are martial arts, not the ultimate tools of awesome pure deadlyness...haa watch out im gonna go for the onetouchmurderdeathkill technique!!! O_O

[ravenwitch1]

@superdruid999 jaja the onetouchdeathtechnique jaja yeah that´s right. When a trained in a BJK dojo the class ended in some kind of "i know a purer form of hiragana than you" and "i know a lot of useless jap terms to name that". Traditionalism isn´t good all the time, it tends to make people single minded and put them to compete in who knows more instead in WHO DOES MORE

[Gargamelim]

@MAfanatic I cannot test eye gouging technics, or do I want to. mma is a game, one of the biggest things that are not allowed: hitting the balls, is one of the most useful technics in REAL battle.

[MAfanatic]

It's not only useless, it's idiotic. It teaches bad habbits. These guys actually believe that if this technique wont work, they'll chain it into another technique. But if the OPPONENT fights back, they're gone. This is the same silly, story book, fantasy fighting that lands martial artists in hospitals. I saw a 5th dan in Ninjitsu (who trained in Japan) try to place his arm on a puple belt in BJJ, he was destroyed. BY A PURPLE BELT.

[Ryanshinobi]

Last time I was there, I think it cost $20 US to train with Nagato. There is always room at his dojo, since most people are afraid to train with him. Usually, no more than 4 or 5 people there, so you'll get lots of hands on experience.

[Ryanshinobi]

Taijutsu happens in 3-d and it moves through time. Thats why you can't learn waza from video, you're only seeing about 1/3 of what is happening. When you feel Nagato touch you, its feels like a machine, totally irresistable, totally unescapable. You live because he allows it, thats all. You're a chew-toy and he's the pit bull. Tickets are cheap, go to Noda Shi and find out your own truth.

[Ryanshinobi]

You guys all talk big, so go to Noda Shi and let Nagato put his hands on you and see if you can escape. I garentee that you will come back with a different story. I have felt the man's hands on me, and I can assure you that there is no escape. You'll have to come to the uncomfortable conclusion that the only reason you survived is because he allowed it.

[furlong08857]

i have to aggree 100%, my friend mark is a black belt with a red stripe he studied under Jabaz spence, he touched me durning a sparing match and i couldnt move, no pain just my body stopped, pretty freaky

[Ryanshinobi]

I'd give you $10,000 if you could escape from ANYTHING Nagato does.

[MAfanatic]

This move would take any highschool wrestler a second to get out of.

[eigononinja]

hes actually locking the spine putting you off balance so you cant move and cutting off blood to the brain all at once. some one whos higher than me could explain better.

[MAfanatic]

I can assure you, if you try that move on ANYONE with even a couple months wrestling training, they would get out and reverse you. Just give it a try.

[flybyguitar]

the whole concept on ninjutsu is to adapt so when they go for a reversal, you dont cling to your original technique you adapt and use what they are giving you

[eigononinja]

exactly

[MAfanatic]

That is the philosophy behind every single martial art (judo, boxing, kickboxing, tae kwon do, bjj, jeet kune do, karate, etc. etc. etc.). Nothing NEW about this at all. But this technique will fail because before any choking and/or strangulation technique is applied, the apponent's body has to be secure. I assure you, this technique (assuming the apponent is consious) will fail.

[Balthamell]

Learn to spell opponent.

[MAfanatic]

So I made a typo. So what? I can make hundreds of typos. It doesn't make this silly technique any more effective. I'm trying to help you guys from learning what real combat is all about the hard way. Sherikan stars, tonfas, sai, and rubber swords wont get you far. And these silly techniques would be EASILY countered by any Judoka, wrestler, just a strong guy, etc. You can claim that you can chain these these techniques, but your OPPONENT would be tossing you around like a rag doll.

[Balthamell]

Lemme guess, you're into MMA? *rolls eyes*

[MAfanatic]

I have studied kung fu for many years. Then when school moved, I went trained in Tae Kwon Do and Hapkido. Took me 5 years to get BB in TKD and 7 in Hapkido. Yes, I did get curious about grappling and went to train in BJJ academy where Muay Thai was also taught. I'm still training there (10 years now) today. Hapkido locks look similar to the ones demonstrated. Kung Fu was too into forms that would never work. Also took seminars in Kyoshu. Yes, I love MMA. But I love all combat.

[Balthamell]

Though I do not agree with some of what you have been saying I admit that you do not sound like the type of person I assumed you were and I respect your opinions on the topic of martial arts a little more now.

[MAfanatic]

If you look at bio of every MMA champion (in legit events, Vale Tudo Brazil, Pride, UFC, etc.), most have traditional backgrounds and respect traditional martial arts. But so many UFC fans are teens who just want to kick eachothers ass in back yards. They don't last long in MMA schools and they wouldn't last in traditional schools. Any school requiring hard work and training is not what they want. But in US martial arts had its share of thugs. karate60s, kungfu 70s, ninja80s, etc. etc.

[pacificimporters]

Correct. You go for choke A, he reverses it with B, you immediately go for C. Works just the same in wrestling. Anything a wrestler can attempt, I can reverse, no sweat.

[MAfanatic]

In reality, you'll go for a Choke 'A' that is as sloppy as this one, and get KOed. NONE of these techniques would work because your OPPONENT would be working to submitt you as well. Please try this on any grappler and learn the truth. In recent Fight Quest a 6th dan in Ninjitsu tried grappling with a Purple Belt in Brazilian Jiujitsu and got beaten down.

[pacificimporters]

I have NO fear of highschool or Greco-Roman wrestling. They have no finished techniques and no strikes. Jujutsu has throw, holds, pins, chokes, punches, kicks, knees, elbows, strangles, dislocations, gouges, fishhooks, and trains for all situations, regardless of environment, weight-class or rules, and there are no cups or mouthpieces or headgear in jujutsu - just the real thing. As for boxing, it was my first art, and I still do it, but as a stand-alone art? No match for jujutsu.

[eigononinja]

not if you do it right.

[flybyguitar]

i am not going to argue with someone on the internet i respect your opinion but if the technique is taught it must have some merit in my opinion

[eigononinja]

I like your path of least resistance, thumbs up from me. Safety and peace man. :)

[flybyguitar]

thank you, and to you : 0

[owenspence]

That is actually the carotid artery, which lead straight to the brain.

[MAfanatic]

It is, but for the carotic choke to work, you have to secure the apponent's body. In this case, the apponent can remove your hands and escape in a second. The pinch may hurt, but it's not solid and the apponent is NOT secure at all. He'll escape easily.

[owenspence]

If the technique is properly executed, then the will simply shut down and will not need to be secured. I have techniques like this, done to me and they work.

[swiss7800]

cool

^_^

[nicktheone118]

gd video, i love the outfits at the start !!

[Bangashira]

I love them too.. so beautiful.. so beautiful.

[fox4488]

what do you know about pressure points, ever hit your ankle on a chair or something, on the side between the foot and that bump on the inside of your foot, if you have then you know how much it hurts, that's what a pressure point is, that's basically what he's using against the opponent up there...

[masterdimsen]

And there are lethal points too, like in the side of the throat, hit the right spot and the brain signals to your heart that its beating to fast which will make it go slower or even stop.

[fox4488]

yes your right, ah I wish I could take Ninjitsu, I love that art so much.... but alas I do not have a school near where I live, someday maybe...

[masterdimsen]

Its great, i do it twice a week

[MyoushinRyuNinjutsu]

is that the jugular vein?

[DoomscytheHarvester]

Hatsumi is amazingly in shape, as said by almost any martial artist (including very accomplished ones) that has met him.

Guns won't do you much when he gets to you, sorry to say.

If he were to get within arms reach of you, it's over.

[kensen]

Doesn't matter how strong or even how fast are you, if the opponent push his fingers into your neck or any nervious point in your body, you'r going to scream like a pig...

[kensen]

If something it's true, any human die if get shot, or bleeds if get cut with a knife... Masaaki Hatsumi it's in fact an old man, and any young guy can knocking down if reach a punch to him... but that's the real problem, get to him... There`s nothing that you can do, if the gun you have it`s pointing your head or the hand that hold the knife it`s turned against your neck (next post)

[DoomscytheHarvester]

I love how Hatsumi just hops around the student and uses both the momentum from the movement, aswell as the pressure point, to bring down the opponent.

[Olwe1992]

yes, to keep moving is very important, it will help you very much to get your opponent off balance, and when he's off balance, its over.

[Dru1dM4N]

yeah? just because he's old doesn't mean that Hatsumi's out of juice, he's fast. But the chances of hitting him are like missing a spot on a PBJ sandwich.

[thesplin]

awesome!!

[pantzertank]

fantastic

[chrisyugiorion]

Excelente!!