"The Magnificent Marble Machine" cleverly took advantage of a 1970's pinball resurgance as new digital counters, themed sound effects, and layouts providing more speed, action and challenges came to a new generation of Bally, Midway and Williams, a long way in just two short years from the old bells, spinning counters, and only one or two flippers at the base of the table course. The cost of reassembling the pinball table and some rule changes forced by NBC that killed ratings doomed the show.
Not too surprising a creation from Merrill Heatter and Bob Quigley, who were known for occasionally coming up with game show sets on the grand scale. A huge town square ("Video Village," still the largest game show set ever constructed in the U.S.; the original "$ale of the Century" ran a close second), and a huge tic-tac-toe scaffold with celebrities ("The Hollywood Squares"). The original "Gambit" set may very well have been the smallest of any Heatter-Quigley game show.
I loved this show...just the pinball part, but no one ever really won much, as far as I remember. Here's some cool trivia for you: In the movie "CHINA SYNDROME", there is a clip of this show in the movie, toward the end! No, I'm not lying...I have the movie saved in my DVR, and it's right there, when Jane Fonda is reporting from the tragedy at the nuclear sight.
I loved this show...just the pinball part, but no one ever really won much, as far as I remember. Here's some cool trivia for you: In the movie "CHINA SYNDROME", there is a clip of this show in the movie, toward the end! No, I'm not lying...I have the movie saved in my DVR, and it's right there, when Jane Fonda is reporting from the traged at the nuclear sight.
The main thing I remember is that when I was a kid, I had a pinball machine, and even before this show came out, I made up a pretend game show with it. (I cut out magazine pictures of cars, etc.; those were the prizes.) So this show stole my idea! LOL! I still liked this show, though
Does anyone else remember the lousy show " Fun Factory" that replaced MMM? IT was a real STINKER!! Nbc never gave Magnificent Marble Machine a chance!!
Thanks for the memories! I could only see this on my days off school...in those days before VCR's existed. (well, affordable ones, anyways). What I wouldn't give for those days to go back and tape...everything!
@2005dave Oops, my bad. Art James was the host. Alex was, however, a celebrity guest on the show. And I'm looking at a picture in my 1987 edition of "The Encyclopedia of Television Game Shows" that proves it.
I remember the strange sound effects as the letters came across the marquee. There were about 3 different versions of the sound used throughout the series. The other two were a bass-like dum-dee dee-dum-dee dee-dum, and the other sound a high pitched squirmey, squishy sound from a synthesizer.
Wow! Like so many others, I thought I would never see this show again. I watched a lot of the episodes. I remember when the ball would roll out (drain) behind the lower flippers, especially if you tried to trap it.. Thanks again.
This show was on when I was in kingergarten. This was the first pinball machine I ever saw. Because of this show, when I did see an actual pinball machine in a game room for the first time, I hollered "Hey - a marble machine!" Also, I called a slot machine a "joker machine". This was my life during my headstart days (and a little later).
Two teams of a contestant and a celebrity partner attempt to solve word puzzles shown on a flashing marquee above them (the number of letters in the word with a clue sentence moving above in the marquee). 5 correct answers enabled the winning team to play the pinball machine. Each team member operated each flipper. Bumpers lighted up represented prizes won. Bumpers 2 and 3 may represent halves of prizes in which both need to be lit to win the full prize. 60 seconds is given to play 2 balls.
If a ball falls into a hole, the clock stops and the 2nd ball is played with the time remaining. The goal is to hit all 7 bumpers to win prizes corresponding to the bumper number. When 60 seconds are up, the flippers go dead but the ball is in play until it drains.
If a certain point total is hit (15,000 points with each bumper hit equalling 200 points and anything making noise as 100 points) during 60 seconds with two balls played, only 1 gold ball is played for points converted to cash.
If the two balls fall in the hole before 60 seconds, the pinball play ends and the contestant wins the prizes corresponding to the lit bumpers. If the one gold ball falls in the hole before 60 seconds, the contestant wins the cash/point total and returns to play the next marquee word guessing game against a new opponent.
1) it was probably an expensive show to produce. 2) It had a terrible time-slot- the competition was The Young and The Restless 3) The mid-70's had some weird game show- this doesnt hold a candle to the Money Maze.
I don't remember "Say When" but I remember the "Who, What and Where game" and "Blank Check". It's a shame many of the game show hosts of the 1970's have passed on, but the memories still remain..
MMM may have been the corniest gameshow according to some, but I absolutely loved this show when I was a kid and was glued to the TV anytime it was on. I've searched high and low for years for copies of any of the MMM episodes with no luck. Tonight, I searched YouTube as I do once or twice a week and there it was. THANK YOU ever so much for sharing this and allowing me the opportunity to relive a part of my childhood!!!
I think there was a episode of the Magnificent Marble Machine (I think it might be this one) at the Museum of Broadcast Communications website. It's a shame that due to the high cost of videotape, only a few if any episodes of most 1970's game shows exist..
Thank you!!!! I was about 5 when I was watching this back in the day of half-day kindergarten.
A couple of years ago, all of my friends wanted to commit me to an institution for they did not believe my story of the MMM. I have been looking for footage for a while.
A very ambitious attempt here to make Pinball into a game show. The machine looks beaufiful and reminds me of todays bingo sphere on Bingo America. The opening speil is not the same without a good announcer and just shows off the fundementals of the machine; "you'll love it trust me" well we didn't at the time. While Art James and the contestants interact well with the celebraties I don't feel they were really needed; it worked on pyramid because of the different roles. This is weird so far.
The show was WAY ahead of its time. It should've waited until the 1980's. The main part of the game was pointless and stupid. The bonus round was impressive. I rather have partners like brother/sister or husband/wife as oppose to celebrity/contestant. Art James done a good job, including on "Catch Phrase" ten years later.
By the 1980s the pinball craze was dwindling, as video games were becoming all the rage in arcade entertainment. The 1970s was probably the best era for this show.
As far as the atomosphere of the show, as Press Your Luck encapsulates the 80's culture, this show cencapsulates the 70's culture, with it's theme song, electronic dotted scorebords, and the light prism filters (as seen in 0:22 ). the Gameplay is not the best, but the huge production design was very top notch, along with the jump cuts in the opening themes, for 70's standards.
As a kid growing up a short drive from NBC Burbank, I used to go to a lot of tapings. I, too, remember being in the audience when the ball broke. My memory is that David Brenner pulled the plunger, it broke and they had to stop tape. He also make a comment like, "I just broke my balls!." The set really looked great in person. I remember Johnny Gilbert was really nice and took time to talk with me. I still have an autographed photo from Art James in my collection! Nice find!
WOW WOW WHEE! I never thought I'd ever see this again! I grew up with TV game shows as a kid in the 70's; the Heatter-Quigley games were my faves, especaially Hollywood Squares, High Rollers, Gambit, and the Magnificent Marble Machine. Although MMM wasn't as popular as the other HQ games, it was a smash hit to me because I was also into the pinball machine craze of the 70's. BRAVO to you NV for bringing back this part of my childhood memories.
You did it!! You finally gave me an outlet back to my early teen years. This game show tried to take advantage of the pinball craze. The concept just did not quite take a hold. We miss you Art James!!
I'm going to be perfectly honest with you and I might get beat up for this, but I like it. I saw the whole episode and I love it. It had excitement, great hosting, and gameplay, which is what every gameshow is suppose to have. Everytime the contestant or Roddy McDowall hit a bumper, I got excited and hoped they'd hit them all, which they did.
I was in the audience in 1975 for this show. Ruta Lee was one of the celebs and the gold money ball broke at the seam after she pulled back the plunger. The tape was stopped and Art James came out and said: "This isn't the first time Ruta Lee has broken someone's balls."
I have a question. If you remember that day, did they ever stop tape to repair the machine since from what I know the machine had numerous technical problems.
@freeeemo1 wow - you were actually THERE? i guess it was taped in los angeles? did you have to buy a ticket, or was the audience let in for free (some shows i think would do that to get bodies). was it a long taping? were you instructed to laugh on cue?
There's actually another HQ game show not announced by Kenny Williams-- 1967's "Temptation" on ABC (Carl King was announcer). Coincidentally, Art James hosted that show, too.
@tcidolfan Here's the reason: Kenny Williams, the voice of H-Q, was SO busy with CBS' "Gambit" and NBC's "High Rollers" and the top-rated original "Hollywood Squares" (17 hours total) that Johnny Gilbert had fill that spot.
@1cpw Here's the reason: Kenny Williams, the voice of H-Q, was SO busy with CBS' "Gambit" and NBC's "High Rollers" and the top-rated original "Hollywood Squares" (17 hours total) that Johnny Gilbert had fill that spot.
"We're out of time for now folks..." I remember Art James making the same joke on Catch Phrase when a contestant gave a long description of his career.
HIP-HIP HOORAY!!! I first heard of this game show a few years ago, and always wondered if any episodes existed. I'm glad to see this one posted here. In my honest opinion, they ought to make a new version of this show. You got any other surprises?
An awful game show in an equally awful quality.
SAIL4323 2 months ago
"The Magnificent Marble Machine" cleverly took advantage of a 1970's pinball resurgance as new digital counters, themed sound effects, and layouts providing more speed, action and challenges came to a new generation of Bally, Midway and Williams, a long way in just two short years from the old bells, spinning counters, and only one or two flippers at the base of the table course. The cost of reassembling the pinball table and some rule changes forced by NBC that killed ratings doomed the show.
Noveltooner 2 months ago
Not too surprising a creation from Merrill Heatter and Bob Quigley, who were known for occasionally coming up with game show sets on the grand scale. A huge town square ("Video Village," still the largest game show set ever constructed in the U.S.; the original "$ale of the Century" ran a close second), and a huge tic-tac-toe scaffold with celebrities ("The Hollywood Squares"). The original "Gambit" set may very well have been the smallest of any Heatter-Quigley game show.
Noveltooner 2 months ago
I loved this show...just the pinball part, but no one ever really won much, as far as I remember. Here's some cool trivia for you: In the movie "CHINA SYNDROME", there is a clip of this show in the movie, toward the end! No, I'm not lying...I have the movie saved in my DVR, and it's right there, when Jane Fonda is reporting from the tragedy at the nuclear sight.
pocodfe 4 months ago
I loved this show...just the pinball part, but no one ever really won much, as far as I remember. Here's some cool trivia for you: In the movie "CHINA SYNDROME", there is a clip of this show in the movie, toward the end! No, I'm not lying...I have the movie saved in my DVR, and it's right there, when Jane Fonda is reporting from the traged at the nuclear sight.
pocodfe 4 months ago
@ artytoons: I remember you from YL. I went by my first name, Laura, on YL and many of its spinoff sites.
psykdiva 6 months ago
The main thing I remember is that when I was a kid, I had a pinball machine, and even before this show came out, I made up a pretend game show with it. (I cut out magazine pictures of cars, etc.; those were the prizes.) So this show stole my idea! LOL! I still liked this show, though
psykdiva 6 months ago
@LeotheTiger1776
The gold money ball was not as tough as the regular chrome silver ball
and had weak seams. They were homemade affairs and were prone to splitting.
freeeemo1 6 months ago
did florence actually shove that woman?!
jas22 6 months ago
Does anyone else remember the lousy show " Fun Factory" that replaced MMM? IT was a real STINKER!! Nbc never gave Magnificent Marble Machine a chance!!
BobsFriendGary 8 months ago
this was a great game show! and yes a great theme song! thanks for the post.
BobsFriendGary 8 months ago
WOW!!!! I have never seen or heard of this show, and I am a BIG fan of the obscure game shows. I even know about PHEW! and Dream House.
pika23 8 months ago
when did this air
lightdog100 9 months ago
This show was so bad, it was good!
Probably the ultimate example of a "cult classic" game show!
altfactor 11 months ago
This was one stupid show. No wonder it wasn't around long.
tritonrocks 1 year ago
@tritonrocks What was unique, is that NBC kept promoting this failure. i would take The Price Is Right over this failure.
MrBennetzen 1 year ago
Thanks for the memories! I could only see this on my days off school...in those days before VCR's existed. (well, affordable ones, anyways). What I wouldn't give for those days to go back and tape...everything!
SchizoidMan100 1 year ago
Seems like the only network in the 1970's saving these shows was CBS.
MrBennetzen 1 year ago
First I find "The Big Showdown". Then I find an episode of Tattletales with William and Marcy Shatner. Now I find this!
This has been the greatest YouTube day of my life!!!
smoothpants 1 year ago
This is a pilot episode. Alex Trebek became the host during the rest of the short-lived season.
MountainHawkPYL 1 year ago
@MountainHawkPYL No, this aired. Alex never hosted this show; he was busy with "High Rollers" at the time.
2005dave 1 year ago
@2005dave Oops, my bad. Art James was the host. Alex was, however, a celebrity guest on the show. And I'm looking at a picture in my 1987 edition of "The Encyclopedia of Television Game Shows" that proves it.
MountainHawkPYL 1 year ago
Wow, this show was an abomination. The music is annoying.
MatchGameDude74 1 year ago
@MatchGameDude74 I got one word for this show: TILT!!!!!!!
MrBennetzen 1 year ago
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waukee321 1 year ago
I remember the strange sound effects as the letters came across the marquee. There were about 3 different versions of the sound used throughout the series. The other two were a bass-like dum-dee dee-dum-dee dee-dum, and the other sound a high pitched squirmey, squishy sound from a synthesizer.
waukee321 1 year ago
Wow! Like so many others, I thought I would never see this show again. I watched a lot of the episodes. I remember when the ball would roll out (drain) behind the lower flippers, especially if you tried to trap it.. Thanks again.
waukee321 1 year ago
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waukee321 1 year ago
This show was on when I was in kingergarten. This was the first pinball machine I ever saw. Because of this show, when I did see an actual pinball machine in a game room for the first time, I hollered "Hey - a marble machine!" Also, I called a slot machine a "joker machine". This was my life during my headstart days (and a little later).
MrSammyReed 1 year ago
I remember this show. What a cheap gimmick.
cagwa 1 year ago
Who did the animation- Dolphin Productions?
Ian16545 1 year ago
The Magnificent Marble Machine, I've never seen it. How do you play it?
eddieguy123 2 years ago
Two teams of a contestant and a celebrity partner attempt to solve word puzzles shown on a flashing marquee above them (the number of letters in the word with a clue sentence moving above in the marquee). 5 correct answers enabled the winning team to play the pinball machine. Each team member operated each flipper. Bumpers lighted up represented prizes won. Bumpers 2 and 3 may represent halves of prizes in which both need to be lit to win the full prize. 60 seconds is given to play 2 balls.
artytoons 1 year ago
If a ball falls into a hole, the clock stops and the 2nd ball is played with the time remaining. The goal is to hit all 7 bumpers to win prizes corresponding to the bumper number. When 60 seconds are up, the flippers go dead but the ball is in play until it drains.
If a certain point total is hit (15,000 points with each bumper hit equalling 200 points and anything making noise as 100 points) during 60 seconds with two balls played, only 1 gold ball is played for points converted to cash.
artytoons 1 year ago
If the two balls fall in the hole before 60 seconds, the pinball play ends and the contestant wins the prizes corresponding to the lit bumpers. If the one gold ball falls in the hole before 60 seconds, the contestant wins the cash/point total and returns to play the next marquee word guessing game against a new opponent.
artytoons 1 year ago
i've only heard about this recently from a co-worker who is a game show fan.
figment1988 1 year ago
Never thought I'd see this again (especially in Color!)
I used to fake being sick to stay home from school and watch this and the Money Maze.
Great memories!
LakeRatDan 2 years ago
Absolutely Brilliant!!!
I'm from the UK and have never heard of this show, never mind seen it...WOW!!!
WHY was this cancelled?
OK the 1st part was pointless but Bonus Game using the Marble Machine itself is amazing!!!
It's a real shame only a couple of episodes exist on tape.
KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK!!!
gbgameshows 2 years ago
1) it was probably an expensive show to produce. 2) It had a terrible time-slot- the competition was The Young and The Restless 3) The mid-70's had some weird game show- this doesnt hold a candle to the Money Maze.
Freenbean 2 years ago 2
... or Diamond Head which I believe had contestants trying to grab catch being blown around them in a plexiglass volcano.
staytunedfor 2 years ago
It's always heartwarming to see Art James in any of of his many shows. Does anybody out there remember "Say When?"
PolkRidgeAesthete 2 years ago
@PolkRidgeAesthete
I don't remember "Say When" but I remember the "Who, What and Where game" and "Blank Check". It's a shame many of the game show hosts of the 1970's have passed on, but the memories still remain..
runnerduck 1 year ago
0:34 "You'll Love It, Trust Me"??? That just strikes me as hilarious.
barnztormre 2 years ago 2
I liked TV better when they did a stopset early in the show, instead of a huge opening segment, followed by too many too-long commercial clusters.
I believe this was a Heatter-Quigley show. A guy I used to work with a radio station in east Idaho said they stole his idea.
nickellodeon55 2 years ago
wow i never heard of this show, its insane! if this was around when i was a kid it wouldve overstimulated the hell outta me
badbobbyhughes 2 years ago
I was a kid then, and it worked on me. :)
ccie12933 2 years ago
I just loved the Intro of this Game Show!
Jiltedin2007 2 years ago
Hi!
MMM may have been the corniest gameshow according to some, but I absolutely loved this show when I was a kid and was glued to the TV anytime it was on. I've searched high and low for years for copies of any of the MMM episodes with no luck. Tonight, I searched YouTube as I do once or twice a week and there it was. THANK YOU ever so much for sharing this and allowing me the opportunity to relive a part of my childhood!!!
voyagersfan 2 years ago
I think there was a episode of the Magnificent Marble Machine (I think it might be this one) at the Museum of Broadcast Communications website. It's a shame that due to the high cost of videotape, only a few if any episodes of most 1970's game shows exist..
runnerduck 1 year ago
Thank you!!!! I was about 5 when I was watching this back in the day of half-day kindergarten.
A couple of years ago, all of my friends wanted to commit me to an institution for they did not believe my story of the MMM. I have been looking for footage for a while.
Thanks again.
omahaflush 3 years ago
A very ambitious attempt here to make Pinball into a game show. The machine looks beaufiful and reminds me of todays bingo sphere on Bingo America. The opening speil is not the same without a good announcer and just shows off the fundementals of the machine; "you'll love it trust me" well we didn't at the time. While Art James and the contestants interact well with the celebraties I don't feel they were really needed; it worked on pyramid because of the different roles. This is weird so far.
gamshwfan 3 years ago
The show was WAY ahead of its time. It should've waited until the 1980's. The main part of the game was pointless and stupid. The bonus round was impressive. I rather have partners like brother/sister or husband/wife as oppose to celebrity/contestant. Art James done a good job, including on "Catch Phrase" ten years later.
Rlotpir1972 2 years ago
By the 1980s the pinball craze was dwindling, as video games were becoming all the rage in arcade entertainment. The 1970s was probably the best era for this show.
jhillst 2 years ago
"We're out of time for now, folks..."
Oh, I'm glad he was just joking, considering this is the only existing.
Hondo20132 3 years ago
Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU for posting this! I never thought I would see MMM ever again... NV, you've made my day!
PScooter63 3 years ago
As far as the atomosphere of the show, as Press Your Luck encapsulates the 80's culture, this show cencapsulates the 70's culture, with it's theme song, electronic dotted scorebords, and the light prism filters (as seen in 0:22 ). the Gameplay is not the best, but the huge production design was very top notch, along with the jump cuts in the opening themes, for 70's standards.
scottof83 3 years ago
Gawd but I LOVE this show. It's been so long! Thanks!
UglySean 3 years ago
As a kid growing up a short drive from NBC Burbank, I used to go to a lot of tapings. I, too, remember being in the audience when the ball broke. My memory is that David Brenner pulled the plunger, it broke and they had to stop tape. He also make a comment like, "I just broke my balls!." The set really looked great in person. I remember Johnny Gilbert was really nice and took time to talk with me. I still have an autographed photo from Art James in my collection! Nice find!
wqadreporter 3 years ago
WOW WOW WHEE! I never thought I'd ever see this again! I grew up with TV game shows as a kid in the 70's; the Heatter-Quigley games were my faves, especaially Hollywood Squares, High Rollers, Gambit, and the Magnificent Marble Machine. Although MMM wasn't as popular as the other HQ games, it was a smash hit to me because I was also into the pinball machine craze of the 70's. BRAVO to you NV for bringing back this part of my childhood memories.
DRIVEIN101 3 years ago
Thanks for getting this on here...I've been waiting for years...can't believe Video Village made it to YouTube
djstevet 3 years ago
You did it!! You finally gave me an outlet back to my early teen years. This game show tried to take advantage of the pinball craze. The concept just did not quite take a hold. We miss you Art James!!
efrem1 3 years ago 2
I'm going to be perfectly honest with you and I might get beat up for this, but I like it. I saw the whole episode and I love it. It had excitement, great hosting, and gameplay, which is what every gameshow is suppose to have. Everytime the contestant or Roddy McDowall hit a bumper, I got excited and hoped they'd hit them all, which they did.
jeprice08 3 years ago
What a great theme song! Thanks for the memories--I rememember how popular pin-ball machines were in the 1970's!
Bruneye123 3 years ago 4
@Bruneye123 It sounds a little like "Mele Kalikimaka"...
Ian16545 1 year ago
I love the intro. The sayings during the intro reminds me of The Price is Right.
Rollergirl2001 3 years ago
I know we're not supposed to use capital letters, but this deserves a heartfelt THANK YOU FOR POSTING!!!
cr78fan 3 years ago
I was in the audience in 1975 for this show. Ruta Lee was one of the celebs and the gold money ball broke at the seam after she pulled back the plunger. The tape was stopped and Art James came out and said: "This isn't the first time Ruta Lee has broken someone's balls."
freeeemo1 3 years ago 11
I have a question. If you remember that day, did they ever stop tape to repair the machine since from what I know the machine had numerous technical problems.
gamshwfan 3 years ago
that was a great pun.
frankd1965 3 years ago
@freeeemo1 show off. I only got to see it on TV. One of my all time favourites. Awesome that someone could post it. 1970s technology. Gotta love it.
UglySean 1 year ago
@freeeemo1 wow - you were actually THERE? i guess it was taped in los angeles? did you have to buy a ticket, or was the audience let in for free (some shows i think would do that to get bodies). was it a long taping? were you instructed to laugh on cue?
jas22 6 months ago
Hey you've got a good copy of this show!
Nickrj3 3 years ago
Theme music by Mort Garson who composed many electronic music themes for Heatter Quigley ("Baffle", "Runaround", "Gambit")
artytoons 3 years ago
Wow! I can't believe I'm seeing this again after 33 years! Thanks for the memories!
Bruneye123 3 years ago
I remember seeing a bit of this in the movie "The China Syndrome"
Zoomer30 3 years ago
Johnny Gilbert was the announcer of this show. I think GSN should revive this forgotten game show the way they did with Gambit (Catch 21).
Rlotpir1972 3 years ago 2
This was the 4th episode aired.
Hondo20132 3 years ago
I've seen this on another site, but let me tell you, you're in a for a treat!
SuperGamer7 3 years ago
This was the only Heatter=Qigley game show not announced by Kenny Williams.
1cpw 3 years ago
REALLY??? Most H/Q shows were announced by Kenny Williams except this one?? LOL LOL He must be their resident announcer!!!
tcidolfan 3 years ago
There's actually another HQ game show not announced by Kenny Williams-- 1967's "Temptation" on ABC (Carl King was announcer). Coincidentally, Art James hosted that show, too.
BTW, thanks for the clip! :-)
gshowguy 3 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@tcidolfan Here's the reason: Kenny Williams, the voice of H-Q, was SO busy with CBS' "Gambit" and NBC's "High Rollers" and the top-rated original "Hollywood Squares" (17 hours total) that Johnny Gilbert had fill that spot.
tyrese3745 1 year ago
@1cpw Here's the reason: Kenny Williams, the voice of H-Q, was SO busy with CBS' "Gambit" and NBC's "High Rollers" and the top-rated original "Hollywood Squares" (17 hours total) that Johnny Gilbert had fill that spot.
tyrese3745 1 year ago
Wow... this show is um... weird. I don't know which game show is funnier: this or The Money Maze.
someguy23475 3 years ago
"We're out of time for now folks..." I remember Art James making the same joke on Catch Phrase when a contestant gave a long description of his career.
jhillst 3 years ago
Thanks for posting this...I have a copy of this episode on tape, but this looks about 20 times better.
jhillst 3 years ago
We finally get to see it here on YouTube.
BlackwoodCompany 3 years ago
HIP-HIP HOORAY!!! I first heard of this game show a few years ago, and always wondered if any episodes existed. I'm glad to see this one posted here. In my honest opinion, they ought to make a new version of this show. You got any other surprises?
tjm3774 3 years ago