Kyokushin vs K-1 challenge fight 7 (part 1)

[kukhufvud]

Hokkide Pridoga

[lordofzeapes]

never buy winavi video converter...

[yimmiytube]

........Filho Kyukushin guy is training Muaythai for the competition.

........Remy Muaythai guy is not training Karate for the competition...????

[Sevra87]

@yimmiytube probaby why Remy lost

[Caca51m]

Lyoto Machida wins fights because of his ground fighting he's not the best stand up fighter

[Caca51m]

Sorry I was just saying shit about something i didn't know. I only saw one of his fights and i just said some things that i've heard from someone who didn't knew more than i about him.

[Ljenkins9000]

Okay, that's cool. Props for being an honest person.

[FinArkal]

are u an idiot? vice versa!

[6CENOURA9]

yeah i respect all forms of martial arts,but kyokushin is more a fighting martial art than Shotokan/Shotokai,shotokan has more and different katas,yes,but kyokushin worries more about aplicating the knowledge of the Kata into a fight than only practicing katas without putting them into a "real" fight..Respect all martal arts,its not the martal art that counts,but the one who practices it!

[VicTakk]

bonjasky=gay....

[fanils]

yup hes the great fighter!! :p

[lunersoul]

Francisco Filho = One of the Greatest fighters

[lunersoul]

Go talk shit somewhere else

[prophetezekiel]

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha­hahaha

[RydenLOW]

shotokan is best? For point system tournaments?. . .A shotokan practitioner would be brutally beaten by a Kyokushin fighter if they were ever to face each other.

[CarlitoJohnson]

@RydenLOW i doubt that, majorly

ithink u are underestimating the power of shotokan.

it may not look at powerful, but its 1000 times smarter than kyokushin for sure, way better timed. as for there are also punches tothe face in shotokan. go to some shotokan tournaments or watch them on youtube.

u will be stunned by the speed and timing...

[ArdemashRED]

@RydenLOW That said its weird to thing why the military practices shotokan and not kyokushin huh..... >_>

[PortMourant2008]

@ArdemashRED The military practices Shotokan for discipline. I doubt they use it largely for defensive tactics. Kyokushin does not emphasize strategy that much..its more about body conditioning and pain endurance. Shotokan also teaches the later but it is not as much emphasized.

[Ljenkins9000]

@PortMourant2008 Until just recently he was primarily training at Blackhouse with Anderson Silva, the Noguiera brothers and others. I believe they moved to Florida and then to LA, not sure if Machida is still with them now though. Yes, the Muay Thai in Brazil is apparently really good. I'd still go to the Netherlands or Thailand for it first though.

[joncobber]

@RydenLOW ,, Amen to that, (from a Shodan/1st.Dan in Shotokan!)

[choubdabibi]

shotokan karate is useless and not strong anymore...

real karate is kyokushin, shukokai, gojuryu...

[MrCrazyFou]

I just started kyokushin! its awesome, though i did shotokan till i got my black belt and, let me tell you, outside of competition its pretty power full, its no more point ranked, its like if i would say"hey man kyokushin fighters are pussies, they dont even hit in the face" so its not stronger than shotokan, though i prefer kyokushin

[ahmednabil]

by the way ,not hitting in the face in kyokushin makes the fight extremely hard , for you to even think about that as a disadvantag , tells m you never yet been in real kumite , at leas when you wrote the comment . when you be in a real kyokushin kumite , you will know how vast the difference between it and shotokan

[MrCrazyFou]

I stopped Kyokushin to start Shotokan again...In fact it's pretty hard without hitting in the face, but Kyokushin is still is not stronger than shotokan, it's pretty different, until you try both, you can't tell otherwise... Shotokan got diffrent disantance, precision striking and better timing, just look at Lyoto Machida in UFC...I'm not stupid enough to say Shotokan is better, Kyokushin got great conditioning, nice close combat and a lot more advantages but don't say Kyokushin is better..

[ahmednabil]

osu . true .

the only thing i have against shotokan is the one point sparring.

i know that the one point sparring is what made timing in shotokan of such importance but its just not my kind of kumite.

osu!

[FinArkal]

i totally agree

[KankuPitbull]

Why you put Machida in all comment about shotokan? Machida is a diamond, pure talent, not meter what he's train, even swiming. Who else? Before or now, kyokushin have lot of k1 fighters, Andy Hug, Francisco Fihlo, Globe Feitosha, Andrew Nakahara, GSP, you need more, ? And do not tell anyone you move from kyokushin to shotokan bcrs of not face punch.

[shuriken86]

no but machida proves that through training and hard work u can use anything

[GetDamage]

You should tell Lyoto Machida that shotokan karate is useless.

[FinArkal]

Machidas karate is not typicAL SHOTOKAN which we see in western countries(I mean one point sparrin) Machidas karate is full figthing karate and machida himself has trained a lot of other martial arts while his main style still remains machidas karate. for exemple he has trainde sumo, wrestling, bjj and muay thai...so u cant seriously say that he has his skill from ur kind stupid "lucky point sparring"

[Ljenkins9000]

"Machidas karate is not typicAL SHOTOKAN which we see in western countries(I mean one point sparrin) Machidas karate is full figthing karate"

Not true. Machida's karate is point sparring. He and his brothers are point sparring champions. It is, in fact, his point sparring which makes him completely different from everyone else. It's his timing, distancing and countering. Unlike other point sparring karate guys who have utterly failed in MMA, Machida has mastered Muay Thai and BJJ as well.

[FinArkal]

u are an idiot. dont try to make ur shitty point sparring playing karate better.

[CarlitoJohnson]

@Ljenkins9000 machida hasnt mastered muay thai.

he has added elements to his striking, mainly the lowkicks.

but 90% of his standup is purely adapted mma shotokan karate. hisfocus is on punches and sweeps & kicks, not elbows and knees.

and what do u mean with shotokan karatekas utterly failed in mma.

there are not alot anyways who get into mma competition.

i have done 3 years shotokan, now in mma. my striking is excellent, i surprise everybody with my unique timing. itake very few shots.

[Ljenkins9000]

"and what do u mean with shotokan karatekas utterly failed in mma."

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Watch the early UFCs. They all did terrible. However, yes, Shotokan can work extremely well alone as stand-up if the practitioners do full contact continuous sparring most of the time while mixing it up with full contact point sparring (forms and other stuff maybe 10% of the time). However, is this generally the case? No. 95% of the time it's 90% forms, 10% little-to-no contact point sparring.

[Ljenkins9000]

"there are not alot anyways who get into mma competition."

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There used to be. It was pretty ugly.

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"machida hasnt mastered muay thai. he has added elements to his striking, mainly the lowkicks."

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Fact is, Machida has been training constantly with Muay Thai practitioners since he went to Thailand. After Thailand, he has been training at MMA places where almost everybody's stand-up is MT. You can debate whether or not this means he has been training MT or not, but it's just a semantic argument.

[Ljenkins9000]

"i have done 3 years shotokan, now in mma. my striking is excellent, i surprise everybody with my unique timing. itake very few shots"

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I hope more people like you start showing up in MMA competition. We need more Machidas.

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"shotokan karatekas dont get hit a lot. they often only hit each other once, which is the knockout"

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That's the thing. Without full contact experience, they just can't fight. Youtube Fred Ettish UFC2 for an example of what happens when you put a pure point fighter in MMA.

[Ljenkins9000]

"u are an idiot. dont try to make ur shitty point sparring playing karate better."

And you are ignorant of things you can easily google and find video footage of on youtube. Machida was a point sparring champion. He moves like karate point sparring guys do. Does this mean point sparring alone will teach you how to fight well? No. And nobody is saying that. But added in with years of Muay Thai/Boxing and ground fighting and it can seriously improve your distancing and countering.

[CarlitoJohnson]

@Ljenkins9000 neither is the full contact sparring of agressive styles like muay thai.

ugo for the knockout, okay. but the way u position urself is away to get hit A LOT.

shotokan karatekas dont get hit a lot. they often only hit each other once, which is the knockout.

u can call it pussyfighting and running from ur opponent.

once u get frustrated, and not hit the opponent, u slowly get mentally broken.

its punishing, more for the mind than the body.

u can be beaten before u even got hit once.

[CarlitoJohnson]

@FinArkal stupid and lucky?

lol, are u saying that all shotokan karatekas win by luck?

LOL

[6CENOURA9]

shotokan is only good to introduce kids into martial arts..kyokushin,gojuryu definitely better!

[synkronyk]

BAHAHAHAHA.. All shit.