Andrew Neil on Murdoch's proposed Sky TV purchase (22Dec10)

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Haha how times change! A week is a long time in politics.

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People who blame the BBC for being Left wing well heres an example, the Good Life vs the Young Ones ...It's not their fault that Ben Elton was funnier but you cant say the BBc does'nt cater for all.

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@THESTAFFIECHANNEL ???? The Good Life was obviously the better show.

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@0muffins0 Wellthereyou go someone who manages to learn the wisdom of Clarkson and the valuesof the goodlife allbefore the watershed.Maybe you might wanna ask anyone in America wether they often catch the Goodlife on BBC America...No oh well thats because it'snot shown... Look ok embrace the right wing its all cool.But be under no illusion... class war is coming.We are gonna have onealmighty fight its just deciding on what side you feel comfortable with.

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@THESTAFFIECHANNEL Why would I care what the BBC is showing in the US? The question is why are they in the US at all? Why is BBC tax money being spent on entertaining Americans? Answer those questions.

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@0muffins0 BBC America is a paying sevice like HBO I was highlighting what was popular.

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@THESTAFFIECHANNEL ... but it still required BBC tax money to be invested in setting up that *commercial* operation. Why is the BBC in America at all? It's way beyond its remit.

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@0muffins0 Nope it is a commercial one Peep Show, inbetweeners and Ground force is shown over there too, its a comercial venture.

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@THESTAFFIECHANNEL A commercial venture using programmes created with BBC tax money extorted from the British public.

Maybe the BBC should go commercial here, abandon the BBC tax and become subscription based only.

lol They'd collapse within a week because no-one would pay £150 a year for garbage.

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@0muffins0 Well where is your evidence that money is not ploughed back into the BBC? It is a pay channel after all and shows programmes from various channells from bbc ch4 and itv.? And I may like to point out won thhe ratings over christams for this Christmas.

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@THESTAFFIECHANNEL TV is for the simple minded.

Our fiat monetary system has allowed fractional reserve banking to reach it's absolute mathematical limit - complete state, corporate and personal debt saturation. The entire Western banking system, and most of the states, are bankrupt ...

... and all you care about are TV ratings?

Keep chugging the propaganda.

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@0muffins0 Get lost .Up until the lehmen brothers went under in 2007 this country had the 2nd lowest debt in the G8.So thatargument is so done with.Im a socialist and I have never had a credit card if I cant afford it I dont buy it.It's you tories that wanna pretend yer summin that you aint.You Tory bankers caused this and I aint paying.

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@THESTAFFIECHANNEL The banking bailouts were under Labour. Labour added to national debt, which we the workers have to pay off, so that the bankrupt bankers could be saved. Such irony! Then the rapid increase in our debt levels (under Labour) happened because the tax base collapsed (recession) and Labour wanted to keep spending wildly.

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@0muffins0 Right so why are you not supporting Students NHS Police and everyone else who are getting cut why are you supporting the Tory cuts?...Ive already shown prior to the bank collapse there is no evidence that Labour spent anymore than the previous government.And what was spent was voted through by the Tories 100% un opposed.why do the Tories let off Phillip Green wiith tax bills like Voda phone like Lord ashcroft?

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@0muffins0

There's a great website called "positivemoney" with a video explaining how fractional reserve banking works.

Any who read this comment, please go check it out.

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@RockofEngland LOLbirds of a fascist feather flock together.

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Cuba..... Remember... Your socialist Paradise.. I asked why you don't go back there if you love it so much?

Still waiting for an answer..

Assimilate or be demonised by SWP propaganda...... You'd make a great Borg.

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@RockofEngland Why dont you go to America to inbdulge in your Rigth Wing paradise?...

Thing is I have lived in other Country's unlike the virtual ones you live in.

I have served in the British army and have seen the countrysyou only see in video games.

In short You know FUCK ALL other than what you are told on here and if Sky news has its way its all you will ever know...Cuba is a great country and we are told complete lies.US citizens can backpack in Iran but not in Cuba why is that?..

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"US citizens can backpack in Iran but not in Cuba" Because Cuba is a Dictatorship and it's not a free Country. It's even less free than Iran.

I'm English, proud to be so, and want the culture and traditions of England (the Country I love) to continue. Unlike you who wants to turn it into a corrupt, poverty stricken Country like Cuba. Something Nu Labour have done a good job in doing, leaving Britain £1 trillion in debt.

Socialism works..... At destroying Nations..

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@RockofEngland Well have you been to Cuba ? Even Sky News Advertises Cuba. DURRR you didnt know that did you.!

Prior to the Lehmen Bros collpase in 2007 this country had the 2nd lowest debt in the G8 we had to sell everything to pay off the Banks.Every country did it.So your sussed on that one. And English? I am British,..Im Irish Italian and my peoplewere here centuries before a load of German speaking saxons decided to call a slab of britain Angloland...So whos destroying nations?

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The first Naton State in Europe was England. How little you far left militant Trots know of the history of Britain... The Anglo Saxons made England. I knew you militant Torts were stupid but you take the biscuit.

Look at the facts not the Labour spin machine that has led Britain in to over 10 years continued war. £1 triilion in debt and one of the worst pension systems in Europe. With 9 pensioners dying evry hour last winter.

Welldone Nu Labour

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@RockofEngland Erm what does that prove about England you tit.If the Anglo saxons made England what did Normandy do to it in 1066? LOL Man what the fuck are you on about? ..And you wanna use the warthat 139 labour Mps voted against but the Tories infact voted through...LOL you reallyt wanna use that WAHAHA brilliant I know im dealing with a thicko now...You cant have it both ways on pensions either we spend to much or too little .What say you on pensions im dying to know pardon the pun.

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One minute you say that the Anglo Saxons destroy Nations than you skip a beat when I dispel your bullshit.. Nevermind. At least now you realise what bullshit you speak.

Which War are you on about.. Bosnia? Aghanistan.. or the lie told by your beloved Party on WMD? You don't expect your PM to lie to the Country, but what can you expect from Labour... It's all they've ever done.

Making light of the deaths of British pensioners really shows what you're about.

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@RockofEngland Im pointingout ignoramous that this is Britain not England.The word England is a nod to the factthat we were invaded by Germans which you celebrate.My beloved Labour? I voted Lib dem last election because I have a conscience.Despite WMD's 139 labour mps voted against war as did 59 lib dems but the Torys were all for it thus they voted taht war through.Why did 139 labour and 59 lib dems kniow summin the tories didnt? Ay answer that right winger cos u lot wanted WAR the most!

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And you Irish invaded Scotland, your point is? Or is it just another excuse to bash the English?

I'm against the war, not only in Bosnia and Afghanistan but also Iraq. I marched in London against the War so get your facts right for a change.

The person who wanted the War was Labours most "succesful" ever leader.. Tony Blair. You helped put the Warmongering child killer in power not me.

Welldone. I hope it helps you sleep at night.

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@RockofEngland Erm NO! you are wrong If the Tories voted with the 139 and 59 lib dems they would have defeated the government.And as for Bosnia I served their twice and it was right we was there because that was pure evil that was going on .It was also John Major who sent us to Bosnia in the first place not Blair. Iraq could have been so easily avoided if the Tories backed the rebel ammendment.I question your stance on the iraq war given the tone of your channel.I think you are a liar.

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Tony Blair lied to people and convinced them with his lies to back the war in Iraq. You agree with Bosnia? Why not then goto war in Darfur?

You cant blame the Tories for Iraq when Tony Bliar was in power, lying to the Country, you should be calling for him to be held to account in the Hague

Why does the "tone of my channel" make you call me a liar? That's about as dumb as you saying "Cuba is a Paradise" and Tories are responsable for Iraq when Labour were in power lol

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@RockofEngland The Tories are just as responsible as those in labour who voted for the war.Every stinking Tory wanted that war where as Labour Mp's were resigning over it.A tory supporter shgould really shut the fuck up on that one.Any Tory at a stop the war coalition meet would be asked to fuck off.A lib dem or a labour mp who voted against would not. Your friends list are all people with BNP logos on their profile.its obvious to which whom you subscribe to.

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The root cause of Iraq? The lie over WMD. Why are you not calling for Tony Blair to be tried in the Haque. you are the typical far left socialist, blaming everybody else for the actions of your dear leader..

Not all my friends are BNP and only one has a BNP logo, so why lie? Something you far left socialists do with ease, just like Tony Bliar and the Stalinist Gordon Brown do with such regularity.

On the BNP... They were against the War.

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@RockofEngland I am calling for Blair to be tried at the Hague but im not using it as some shallow opportunit ploy like you.

And you are friends with the BNP.BNP DAVE , BNP CRUSADER and BNP Prenaissance are among a few..Shall I go on? And your favourited videos are also quite colourful including the "begining of the EDL".

Hey I havnt even begun to look at some of the comments you have put on em.Do you want me to go on.feel free to look at mine ofcourse...But you are deffo a Racist.

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So you think I shouldn't have friends who are BNP? Then you call me a fascist.. The irony, the irony.. You then call me a racist when you worship Che, who was a racist..

I'm also anti Islam, that's why I choose some BNP friends, they do cover Islam... That's why I befriend and favour EDL videos too.. Make sense.

You call me shallow, but never adress my points, and even change the subject to my friends list.

The BNP were against the War, were they wrong or right?

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@RockofEngland Lol Che a racist i like this one! my favourite argument with racists who look up the internet for help with regards to Che.Bring it on you wanna use something he said when he was 24 and not even a marxist.Fact remains he went to congo to fight against white people against imperilaism and his body guard was black.But hey lets hear you googled quotes ive heard it all before. you are a racist i type this shrugging my shoulders , your channel says it all.

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Avoided the question again. I'll ask again

Was the BNP right for opposing the Iraq war? You seem to have a problem with answering straight questions, I'll make it easy for you. YES/NO will suffice.

Neither am I racist. Perhaps when you looked through my frineds list you didn't see my black friends and my Indian friends. Typical left winger. You make things up as you go along. Avoid having a debate and resort to insults. Not very bright is the hallmark of you lefties

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@RockofEngland Hahaha Typical EDL BNP comment "look im not racist ive got black friends" LOL I hear that so many times on the radio.I dont care what stance the BNP took on the war,because i dont care about the BNP.I dont care about a party that has a non black membership policy and promotes repatriation of non whites.

 Yer Fascists and by your pro tory comments on here has just proven that the EDL and BNP is just a militant wing for the Conservative Party.

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Again you avoid the issue whether the BNP were right or wront to oppose the War. Avoidance of the issues are typical lefty tactics You say you don't care about what the BNP think, then why did you bring them up? Again you lie, otherwise why did you bring them up?

Untied Nations Declaration of Rights for Indigenous Peoples gives rights to Indigenous people, rights you seem to ignore, by doing so you deny the British peope the right to an identity. You hate Brits. Admit it

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@RockofEngland I am British I served in her army for 6 years.As did my dad and grandad.I dont hate what I am.I hate Racist scum and you are it admit it.It's irrelevent what the BNP think on the war, when they preach ant islamic rhetoric its so easy to see that their stance on the war was born out of exploitation of a movement against the war for political gain.

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You've been arguing about the War all night, blaming the Tories for Labours decision to take Britain in to a foreign field on a lie perpetrated by Tony Bliar. Of course, when you bring up the BNP it's relevent to ask if you think the BNP were right to oppose the War. You are stupid for saying it's not relevent.

Islam is a religion not a race. A child knows the difference between the colour of somebodies skin and a religion.

Like I said. You're not that bright

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BNP - Leftist economics + hatred towards certain groups (non-whites). Authoritarian.

Labour/Communists/Leftists - Leftist economics + hatred towards certain groups (wealthy/Tories). Authoritarian.

National Socialists - Leftist economics + hatred towards certain groups (Jews/Roma). Authoritarian.

They're all the same. Just different shades of Leftism.

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@THESTAFFIECHANNEL "If the Anglo saxons made England what did Normandy do to it in 1066? LOL"

The Anglo-Saxons under the Kingdom of Wessex CREATED England by absorbing the other old Saxon Kingdoms. The Normans just CONQUERED an already existing England. They did not create it.

Epic facepalm.

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@RockofEngland Chris Martenson's Crash Course is excellent too. It's amazing that so few people understand exactly where the money that we use comes from.

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@THESTAFFIECHANNEL ... as for your 'class war'. a) Typical Leftist brown-shirted hatred. b) You have NO IDEA what is coming. The smart money is getting out - gold has gone from $250 to $1400 for a reason - and the last people who will find out, as ever, will be the people on the street, like yourself, once the ATM's stop working. Greece and Ireland are only mild tasters to what is coming.

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@0muffins0 Oi wanker answer my last 4 points on why it is you that is a fascist cunt and not me.

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@THESTAFFIECHANNEL Calling a Libertarian a fascist ... funny.

Look up the word ... I'll wait.

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@0muffins0 Dickhead..You think I aint come acroos your sort before.Some call themselves Libertarian Socialists and others call them sleves Libertarian Republicans then iteventually leads off into anti immigration and pro gun laws then yer all over the place.but you all end up being self opinionated fascist unwilling to nail your colours to the mast.And you always protest to the max that you are not racist,...jog on.

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@THESTAFFIECHANNEL Lib Dems are fascist racists now? People who believe in personal freedoms are fascists now?

lol

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@0muffins0 SEE YOU ARE SCRAPING THE BARREL NOW!..I have never called Lib dems fascists , and recent news shows they maybe liars with self interests but they know they secretley have made it known to others thatthey have made a pact with the devil.I think Vince cable has redeemed himself in a round about way cos he HATES TORIES.

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@THESTAFFIECHANNEL ".I have never called Lib dems fascists"

I am a Lib Dem voter ... you called me a fascist. I am a supporter of the Libertarian wing of the Lib Dems.

For you, anyone who disagrees with your bizarrely warped world view is a 'fascist'.

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@0muffins0 I voted Lib Dem also..And I regret it and I have the balls to say so.And their antics has made me more left wing than ever far beyond labour which is why I am on the streets.Now what the fuck do you do?!..Nothing just pretend you did the right thing.

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@THESTAFFIECHANNEL You obviously voted for the old SDP wing of the Lib Dems.

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@0muffins0 Yeah and what is coming is not going to be to your liking ..we are gonna bring down this tory scum.

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I wouldn't take too much notice to STAFFIE, he thinks Cuba is Paradise on Earth, Clarkson is Hitler reincarnated and anybody who disagrees with him wants to send him to Auschwitz..

STAFFIE's channel nickname is THEDAFTIECHANNEL...

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@RockofEngland It's amazing how a propaganda can change a person's perceptions and turn them into unthinking automatons.

:)

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I notice you are having a very similar debate to DAFTIE that I had a while ago... You'll notice that he labels people rather than debating the issues. "racist" "fascist" nazi" the usual neruolynguistic programming.

He's a lost cause.

Have you ever watched Star Trek? The Borg springs to mind......

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@RockofEngland LO You sad idiots STAR TRECK. 0mffins0 lol you are a nred whgo lives in what ever PV dungeons and dragons world that you have uploaded.You chose to mock my channel on CUBA.Well I have lived in cuba I was in the army for 6 years and I was atthe Student demo's.You live in a dream world.

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In English please, that commment's so littered with errors it's unitelligable, just like you. I can forgive the odd mistake, but you making mistakes so often, I'd be forgiven in thinking that it's your profession. Then again you're a far left commie. Say no more.

If Cuba was so great then what did you come back to this Country for? You weren't missed...

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@RockofEngland Ahaha typical Right winger ..Patronising.and Avoiding the Point.

Well when Britain was under 13 years of tyranical Labour why were you not living in a right wing Utopia like Arkansas texas USA...Nuff Said on that one.bring it on.

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Avoiding the point?

Where we... Yes Cuba... Still waiting for an answer....

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@THESTAFFIECHANNEL I don't play "dungeons and dragons". In fact, I just don't play games anymore.

"I was atthe Student demo's" ... a bunch of people demanding free stuff from a bankrupt state.

Absolutely ... comical.

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@0muffins0 lol well your uploads beg to differ since you chose to asassinate my channel..

I put my money where my mouth is and that is why i joined the students.

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@THESTAFFIECHANNEL "lol well your uploads beg to differ" - check the dates on those vids.

"since you chose to asassinate" - I've done no such thing.

"I put my money where my mouth is" - You just want free money and stuff, as all Leftists do, and that only ever leads to the bankruptcy of the state in all cases.

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@0muffins0 Have never bought anything I cant afford not even a car and I am not in debtand I live in a 4 bedroom house with my wife who is a staffe Nurse.so i dont know where your going with that one.

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@THESTAFFIECHANNEL The state is bankrupt. Leftists always want free stuff. Free money (benefits), free housing (council), free education, free healthcare etc. Most of which should be done, but Leftists just want more and more, then they get violent when the state has no more money.

Where do we get the money from if we don't cut?

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@0muffins0 LOL this all you come up with.hehe ok.look all these things you talk about we have been able to afford for years. Even after World war 2 we were able to set up an NHS and a Welfare State.Cuba can afford 200 dollars per person per year and still afford free university education and dental/healthcare.They have more doctors and teachers per capita than anyone in the world and they work all over the world.If ashcroft or phillip Green wont pay then neither shall we.

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@THESTAFFIECHANNEL Are you arguing that we should cut the NHS budget to Cuban levels? $200 a head was it?

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@0muffins0 Im proving that what ever the Condems tell you they can save , is absolute bollocks when they can find money to bail out other countries and let vodafone , boots and BHS off with 120 billion pounds worth of tax.I dont buy your bullshit one bit .

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@THESTAFFIECHANNEL So your answer to the budget deficit is to tax everything to death when the government already makes up 53% of the economy ... and has to be supported by the other 47% (which is EVERYTHING that is not government) via taxation?

Can't be done. Beyond a certain point, the higher the tax rate, the less you actually bring into the coffers.

The glorious Soviet Union collapsed comrade!

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@0muffins0 If you think seriously that all this bullshit debt can be payed off by cutting down on school pencils and bog roll and making 10 nurses look after an Aand E in hackney rather than 15 nurses whilst whilst at the same time telling Phillip Green and Lord Ashcroft and any other tory peer to forget the billions that they owe in Tax..If you really thgink that..Well dont hear it from me just watch at the mass demos in March onwards.Your blinkered because you want to be.

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@THESTAFFIECHANNEL We were bankrupt after WW2 yet we managed to get on top of our debt load and pay it down. It was painful, but the alternative way to get rid of the debt would have been to inflate it away via hyperinflation ... which would have been MORE painful.

You seem to think that an economy with a finite size can pay infinite taxation, even though taxation is already at historic highs.

Ireland or Zimbabwe ... choose.

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@0muffins0 Oh my god you know fuck all do you.Our World war 2 debt was paid on the drip and was only just paid off in 2008.No one was banging on our door between then.We had a tory recession in the 90's whilst we was still paying that debt off.Tell me why this mythical bank cares not for the 3rd world debt for decades but yet shits itself over the worlds 5th richest country's ability to pay off a debt? Oh and give us credit to bail out Ireland as well..tell me..I sincerely wanna know.

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@THESTAFFIECHANNEL It took from 1945 to the 1970's to get UK debt down from 240% of GDP to under 50%. You fail to understand that paying off debt makes the debt smaller.

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@RockofEngland lol ... The Borg! That made me laugh! It describes this kind of automaton exactly.

Assimilate ... or be destroyed.

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If BBC is left wing (which it definately is) and Murdoch is right wing (debatable) then here's the difference between left and right..

The BBC charges you with the threat of prison.

Sky charges you through freedom of choice..

One is totalitarian, Orwellian (BBC)

The other (Sky) is pro choice.. At a price.

Will the BBC presenters now stop championing the free market? Which their organisation is the example of the total opposite..

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@RockofEngland LOL oh Fuck off!...The BBC and the Hutton report and Andrew Gilligan amongst many others....The BBC's next director will be a Tory there is no doubt about it.Where as SKY will always be right wing orientated.you are deliberatley avoiding the point that Blair followed Murdochs right wing agenda which led to support. You are making the assumption that Left Wing always means Labour which in the case of Blair it does not.

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Nope.............. Never mentioned any political party..... Don't forget to take your meds before you go to bed....

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@RockofEngland hahaha take my meds..hahaha I have hustread your England my England bulshit..what have you personally done for England..?.

Real world outthere..Log off of You tube stop watching sky news and poke yer head out of the window.

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@RockofEngland Well said. The BBC's sickeningly blatant left-wing bias in their 'news' is the reason why I stopped paying the BBC tax, and why they shall never get a single penny from me again.

The BBC pushes out propaganda and drivel and then *demands* that you pay for your indoctrination? No thanks.

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@0muffins0 Well your obviously a fucking liar or a criminal.The BBC pays for freeview and radio signals of which Sky and other comercial channels run through.And how on earth do you Nazi's ever get to watch you idol Clarkson without paying the liscence.Man!...Bring it on 0muffins0 I do love fighting with rightwing twats...

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@THESTAFFIECHANNEL Too many Leftists like yourself are only able to retort with insults. Typical of the whole Leftist movement where hatred is at the very core.

1 - I am neither a liar or a criminal ... a TV licence is only required for watching or recording live television broadcasts, which they have to prove that I'm doing.

2 - I'm a Libertarian, not a 'rightwinger', and Clarkson is a retard on the Socialist Broadcasting Corporation ... which I don't watch.

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@THESTAFFIECHANNEL 3 - The Nazis were Leftists ... your bedfellows. The hint is in their name - "National Socialists". Their economic policies were Leftist. They were authoritarian like all Leftists are, whether communist, socialist or national socialist. And they were filled with hatred.

It is that reason why Labour Leftists keep screaming about the threat of the BNP ... because that party takes votes away from Labour, not the Tories or Libs.

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@0muffins0 #1The Nazis imprisoned Trade Unionists and put Communists in Conentrationn camps.

#2. the KKK are Fascists who hat Communists and idolize Adolf Hitler (you thick cunt)

#3 Nelson Mandela is a Communist is he a Racist?

#4 The Fascist EDL has threatened to help the police against the socialist students at the next mass demo. You are the fascists dont Lie to Youtube.....

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@THESTAFFIECHANNEL OI answer those questuions



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@THESTAFFIECHANNEL "Nazis imprisoned Trade Unionists and put Communists in Conentrationn camps" - All three have Leftist economic policies, run authoritarian, statist governments, and are filled with hatred of some ethnic or social group or other. The communists also put trade unionists, and fellow communists, in concentration camps (gulags), but that is the thing with these Leftist authoritarian regimes ... they don't tolerate any deviation to their own pet brand of stupid.

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@0muffins0 Hitler was chucked out of the Communist paty for his beliefs.Why would Russia even ally with Churchill to get rid of him.Fact remains that right wing KKK and Tea baggets in America have pictures of Hitler on their wall and accuse Obama of being Socialist....Your logic does not add up..ON PURPOSE..Mandela is a Communist!

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@THESTAFFIECHANNEL "Why would Russia even ally with Churchill to get rid of him." ... er ... because Germany was at war with both Britain and Russia?

*rolleyes*

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@0muffins0 Durrr well following your logic i was disproving your ideaology that Communsism was the same as Hitlers polotics when it was Hitler who was putting Communists in Concentration Camps with Jews and Roma.

Hey sorry to put my historical facts fly in your ointment.

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@THESTAFFIECHANNEL The communists and national socialists both had Leftist economic policies and hatred of certain population groups. They also hated each other because Leftists are authoritarians by nature and hate being told that they are wrong.

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@0muffins0 that doesnt make any sense whatsover....

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@0muffins0 Fact remains that when Thatcher was callin Mandela a terrorist in the 80s Castro was sending Cuban trops to Africa to fight apartied in South african Namibia and Angola ...Mandela is a communist and the Tories have that as a stain upon their History as their is a statue of Mandela thanks to Labour in Westminster,Right wingers are racist.

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@THESTAFFIECHANNEL "Right wingers are racist." - Neither the Right or the Left has a monopoly on Stupid™ or Hate™ ... however the less intelligent tend to flock to those ideologies that either feed or try to justify people hate. Leftist, hate-based ideologies like communism, socialism and national socialism.

Also ... look how Leftism has kept people impoverished in the states that they control, like Cuba, North Korea and the Soviet Union.

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@0muffins0 I cant speak for North Korea But I can speak for Cuba and you are takling bollocks and Bosnia where I was in 98 and 2000 is a lot worse off since the capitalists moved in circa 92...

Cuba is a victim of the US blockade that excludes it fromthe IMF.

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@THESTAFFIECHANNEL "Cuba is a victim of the US blockade that excludes it fromthe IMF" - So your argument is that Cuba is a failed state because it can't get free money from the IMF?!?

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@0muffins0 Nope The US blocks trade deals that allow the IMF to oversee loans.Example Ecuador was blocked from sending its oil to be refined in Cuba by the americans who control the IMF.Equador was threatened with it's loans and the deal was off.yet America wouldnt dare pull that shit with Communist China because America is a Bully.And when I was in Cuba i have seen evidence that China has started to trade with Cuba big time

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@THESTAFFIECHANNEL China abandoned communism/socialism/leftism. China's people are now becoming more affluent. Cuba did not abandon Leftism. Cuba's economy is thus at a great disadvantage. North Korea holds onto Leftism with both hands. The people of North Korea still get the occasional famine.

[THESTAFFIECHANNEL]

@0muffins0 look its obvious you two are googling and wikipedia ing every thing and im getting tired but I will resume in the afternoon.China is Communist and they are beating the U.S at their own game.Cuba is the subject of cinese interest and pretty soon cuba wont give a shit about the blockade.I dont condone North korea atall. and neither does china.

[0muffins0]

@THESTAFFIECHANNEL a) I have not needed to refer to wikipedia/google because the level of debate has been appallingly low.

b) China abandoned communism economically in the 1980's. Only a retard would look at today's China and claim that their economy is NOT capitalistic, but instead communist in nature. "Capitalism with Chinese characteristics" is what the Chinese spout over there. In many ways Europe/UK are more socialist than China since we provide things for our people that the Chinese don't.

[THESTAFFIECHANNEL]

@0muffins0 LOLno you pay the Capitalist game by outsourcing your labour to chinese Sweatshops hence you are the subject of your own greed and thats why china has won.

So you do admit you google for debates.I read the guardian and i did history A level but at 530 am i'll let you off.

[RockofEngland]

@THESTAFFIECHANNEL

Did you do history before or after you joined the Army, and why didn't they teach you about British History? From the little exchange I had with you about British History, I's say you either failed, or you're a liar.

From reading your comments thus far, I'd say you're a liar.

[THESTAFFIECHANNEL]

@RockofEngland hahaha I joined in 95 and i dont see your point atall.And you can question my service all you want its your luxury on here to call me a liar, it's an easy target since i am not going to divulge specefic info.But i've got the confidence to say it because I know im right. I did European History at Alevel and I have been fortunate to travel to quite a few interesting countys.And I didnt just wake up with an opinion from reading books.I have learned through real life experince.

[0muffins0]

@THESTAFFIECHANNEL What part of 'European History' did you study. Back in 1990 the A-Level choice was between the French Revolution and WW2.

[RockofEngland]

@THESTAFFIECHANNEL

So you joined when you were 19, after you did your A levels, and then you tell me you've lived? What a joke..

I call you a liar because you are a liar, testiment to the comments you've written in this comment section. You call Islam a race, you say it was the Tories who took Britain in to Afghanistan, you call Cuba a Paradise, you won't answer simple questions regarding issues that you raise. You're a joke/

Did you do your travelling in a circus?

[THESTAFFIECHANNEL]

@RockofEngland Haha look end of the day I have travelled broadened my mind and expericed both highs and lows in my life doing so.And to come back home to listen to your right wing bile does make me beg the question...What the FUCK HAVE YOU DONE!?!

[0muffins0]

@THESTAFFIECHANNEL Yeah ... open minded ... sure ... that's what we're all thinking when you insult people who don't agree with you ...

[THESTAFFIECHANNEL]

@RockofEngland Your a BNP EDL supporting Fascist ..But i thank you coming on here and proving that most Tory supporters who come out of their shell actually always were.

Just like the EDL have stated that they intend to come out in support of the Police atthe next Student Protests.

[0muffins0]

@THESTAFFIECHANNEL Take a National Socialist, redirect his vile hatred away from different races or nationalities and point it towards those who are more successful than this Neanderthal could ever be ... and you've got a typical Labour party supporter/member.

[THESTAFFIECHANNEL]

@0muffins0 Ahha ! a typical Glenn beck tactic...Listen you right wing Fascist...Hitler put Trade unionits in prison and Communists in concentration camps.You use the national socuilaist tag as some sort of mandate well let me tell you history does not allow you or Glenn Beck one....Hitler is a right wing fascist..one of your boys son.

[0muffins0]

@THESTAFFIECHANNEL a) Glen Beck is a retard, and he is not shown in the UK. b) I'm a Libertarian, which is the polar opposite of Fascism, Communism, and other authoritarian Leftist flavours. c) Hitler's policies consisted of Leftist economic policies, Leftist pro-statist policies, typical Leftist authoritarianism and above all, hatred.

[THESTAFFIECHANNEL]

@0muffins0 Bollocks libertarians, tea baggers yer all the same.Marx was not Hitler and das Capital was burnt at the nuremburg rallies not exactley a vote of confidence..if anything sounds nazi like is this New Libertarian Bullshit with its thinky veiled racism...You are the NEW NAZIS ..Fucking glenn beck libertarian Tea baggers who didnt have a problem with bush but all of a sudden had a problem with Obama.

[0muffins0]

@THESTAFFIECHANNEL a) Glen Beck is a retard. b) Your US 'teabaggers' are a wide assortment of folks, that generally believe in small government (the opposite of what Leftists want). c) Obama's healthcare thing forces people to buy healthcare insurance (which is authoritarian - his fault), and the US governmental deficit and national debt has gone batsh*t crazy (implosion of the monetary system in 3 ... 2 ... 1 ...)

[THESTAFFIECHANNEL]

@0muffins0 Obamas healthcare is not what he wanted it is a compromise.Cuba can afford as little as 200 dollars per person and afford them free University education and free dental and health care.And so can venezuala..If poor countries can do it why cant the richest in the world ...simple .greed.

[somename99]

@RockofEngland The only people who think BBC current affairs is left wing are right wing nuts suffering from mental illness.

- Paxman and Humphries go at everyone regardless of party.

- Andrew Neil is a conservative and former Sunday Times editor, to be fair to him he is balanced.

- University studies of Israel / Palestine report the BBC is biased towards Israel.

- Nick Robinson of a former chairman of young conservatives.

and so on...

[THESTAFFIECHANNEL]

@somename99 Thankyou exactly what i was saying.....These Torys Wankers want it all their own way.

[RockofEngland]

@somename99

Tell that to Mark Thompson.. Another "right wing nut suffering from mental illness" lol. who came out not long back and admitted the BBC was biased to the left... I do take it you know who Mark Thompson is?

The only poeple who think that BBC is not biased to the left are militant Trots and Communists like STAFFIE and it seems you.

BBC is biased towards Israel? You're off your trolley...

[THESTAFFIECHANNEL]

@RockofEngland The BBC refused to broadcast a helpline for Palestinian aid it took Left Winger Tony benn to come on and speak out with the address to send money too.So you can fuck off with your left wing bias. Sky is 100% Tory end of,You have heard how many Torie are on the BBC but you cant name any left wing Sky journalists ..thats because they wouldnt even get through the door.

[somename99]

@RockofEngland Yes, I also know having read the article he was talking about when he first joined (1979):

"The organisation did struggle THEN with impartiality... Now it is a completely different generation....there is now an honourable tradition of journalists from the right [working for the corporation]"

Taking people out of context is pathetic.

[somename99]

@somename99 As for Israel / Palestine, Glasgow university regularly release a report into media coverage, the conclusion each time is UK media (including the BBC is pro-Israel).

Whilst the BBC continue to interview Mark Regev (chief Israeli propagandist) after major incidents with no educated, articulate pro-Palestinain equivalent to give their view, the idea that the BBC is anti-Israel is laughable, mush like your posts.

[minteko]

The free press is now bought and paid for. oh the irony. :)

[Burnit700]

free press hahahahahahahahaha! that's a good one.

[liarpoliticians]

@Burnit700 Free press like pay £1 a day for the paywalled Times / Sunday Times website? LOL.

[THESTAFFIECHANNEL]

Well if this means Sky is gonna officially be Tory and that everyone thinks the BBC is Left Wing, then the BBC should straight away sack right wing twats like Chris Moyles, Nick Robinson, Clarkson ,and Giles Brandwith...etc.

[liarpoliticians]

@THESTAFFIECHANNEL Nick Robinson is a lefty.

[ToaJoe]

@liarpoliticians only a completely ignorant Tory like you could actually suggest the BBC is pro-labour. They aren't pro-Tory, but they have been very much anti-labour since 2003.

[THESTAFFIECHANNEL]

@liarpoliticians Hahaha thats a good one.

[0muffins0]

@liarpoliticians He's also very, very, VERY irritatingly smug.

[somename99]

@liarpoliticians No he isn't, he is the former chair of the young conservatives and former president of the Oxford University Conservative Association.

[DystopianUtopia]

@THESTAFFIECHANNEL

Lol... as if they would sack Clarkson. You want Andrew Marr to go to?