@smashchamps77 You fail to realise that we are capable of eating meat, yet you call my info illogic and rediculous? Is your head really that far up your ass that you cant see the truth? Another thing, if humans are not able to eat meat, then how did it ever happen? By saying we evolved to eat meat is like saying a horse might one day chase down, kill and eat a cow or something. Your the one not making any scence. Then you add cattle are fed remains of other animals? Are you really that stupid?
@smashchamps77 If you need even more info, if humans are not ment to eat meat, then why do we produce the acids in our stomach to break down meat, but not celulose found in plants? You can keep on going with your theory with we dont have the claws and the teeth like a carnivore and be able to eat meat raw bullshit. Again, thats bullshit because humans are not carnivores. We are omnivores. You cant deny reality. Vegans just make things up because they dont like killing animals. Thats all it is.
@gf3030 You've gone off on a tangent. Did you not know that true herbivores like cattle are fed the remains of other cattle on factory farms? Did you not realize that even true carnivores like cats may eat grass? The statement that humans are omnivores because we are capable of eating meat is plain illogical.
Your "evidence" is very weak. Humans have little in common with an archetype omnivore; we are likely frugivorous. I tried to state this respectfully, but you're being ridiculous.
@smashchamps77 Ok, your evidence is bullshit because you simply say humans are not ment to eat meat. But we do, how are we able to eat meat if we are not ment to? For example, would a horse eat another animal? Thats right, no because a horse is a herbivore. Now would a lion eat a carrot? Again, no because a lion is a carnivore. Humans are capable of eating both meaning we are omnivores. We simply would not eat meat if we were not designed to.
@smashchamps77 Eskimos have shorter life spans because they dont have doctors like we do. Also, there is no evidence that cavemen ate mostly fruits.
If you want to get into the biology terms, there is nothing that rejects humans as being omnivores. You cant just say we are not because you dont like the fact that we kill for food. Were ever you get your information from, its bullshit.
@gf3030 I think we can both agree to disagree. I never said that cavemen ate mostly fruits, nor do I think that it is appropriate for us to emulate an eskimo lifestyle. I've done my research, and quite frankIy I've found plenty which supports my anti-omnivore argument. I'm not just saying this because I "dont like the fact that we kill for food." After all, I could very well claim that your evidence is bullshit as well.
@gf3030 Eskimos live in extreme weather conditions, and they don't eat typical Western meats. Furthermore, their life-spans are shorter on average. As for cavemen, keep in mind that all our ancestors up to Homo erectus ate mostly fruits; it's doubtful that cavemen ate only meat.
It is futile to use eskimos and cavemen as a defense of our meat eating culture. Dietary classification is based on biology, and I can assure you that there is a preponderance of evidence which rejects human omnivorism.
we are biologically omnivores because of how our teeth are shaped how ever we along with other omnivorous animals can and some do survive on souly on meat or veggies
@TheMangetsuhozuki Our teeth are not built for meat consumption. For one thing, there is no space between our teeth, therefore meat will get stuck there and rot (unless you brush). Furthermore, our teeth are flat and dull; our "canines" are only called as such, they are certainly not the same as the true canines of a carnivore, nor do they serve the same function.
It is impossible for any human to live solely on meat. If someones claims as such, most likely that person is on their deathbed.
A man generally treats other people to maintain an image, for politics, for profit, for pleasure and fear. It's hard to tell what he is up to when he treats other humans a certain way. You want to know 100% what a man is? His character and heart, his mind and spirit, his intelligence? Look at they way a man treats lower animals, you will get a deep sense of his soul and either the glory or potentially the sickness therein.
Also I don't torture animals. I wouldn't hurt an animal at all, just because I eat meat doesn't mean I'm a psychopath. I'm eating it because it is perfectly normal, vegetables are no perfect either ass hole.
Probably the biggest delusion, at the most base level, to which flesh eaters cling is the idea of personal happiness. See, it seems fine on the surface: I am in a rich country, I got me some money, I eat whatever I want for pleasure, I don't care who gets hurt, I am happy. Right? Wrong! Why? There's no such thing as personal happiness, especially not derived from pleasure. How can you be happy in the scenario above if our water is sewage and our air is toxic? You can't! We share this planet!
Chimps have protein because they exercise alot and it is just the way they are.
We don't have muscles like Chimpanzees, a chimp can tear our arms off. Even if we exercise alot we won't match them.
Also chimps do actually eat meat, mostly more vegetables though so they are technically omnivorous.
Why should you be so ashamed about eating meat when animals list: Lions, Tigers, Sharks, Crocodiles, Chimps, Dogs, Cats, Bears, Penguins and many other animals?
@TurtwigValley We have gone all over this. I am no more ashamed to eat meat than you are to stick your fingers in a light socket. It is not good for your health. It is not food. It is dead. It is rotting death. I eat and live healthily, and I do not torture animals nor pollute the planet to do it. Why does that threaten you so? Is it because I and millons of others (500 millon in India alone) prove every day that humans can have healthy lives without ingesting rotting flesh?
The meat I eat mate is good for you, I eat mackerel and I have very little problems. I used to eat alot of vegetables back then but I started considerably getting ill so I have now cut down a little bit, I realized that balancing out my diet is more important then being a hypocritical veggie. Also grow up and stop being such a sissy pussy. You kill Polar bears by using electricity, your farmers who make your vegetables kill rabbits, insects and bugs. Grow up you stupid hypocrite.
@TurtwigValley We are going in circles. You torture animals for food. Good for you. Meat is poisonous, but you derive pleasure from it. Good for you. That is your concern. That you pollute our planet by doing it is my concern. That you are not concerned about that is a tragedy. So...how does one get another to see that they are destroying multiple peoples' lives with their selfish behavoir? Got any ideas? Or would you rather continue on the childish merry-go-round...weeeeeeee?
Meat is not poisonous, that's the stupidest thing I've heard. You are selfish as well, if you want to be a true veggie cry baby. Get rid of all your elecrticity, get rid of your house and car and be an animal. Go and live with your little chimpanzee friends and shit around with them. You cry baby.
I just found another source that estimates 1500 pounds a year. So I guess it varies somewhat. That source didn't say % either even though it was very detailed.
Chimps rarely even eat meat though. 95% of their diet is fruit and plant, then the rest of the 5% is termites, and the mammals which you listed. Most of that 5% is termites. They really only eat approximately 1% of birds, pigs, and antelopes etc. So even if we are omnivores you cant use the chimp comparison seeing as how meat doesn't make up their primary diet.
"So even if we are omnivores you cant use the chimp comparison seeing as how meat doesn't make up their primary diet."
Actually you can use the chimp comparison.
Nutrition-wise, humans shouldn't eat a lot of meat. The most we're supposed to eat is 3 ounces to 6 ounces. Most humans eat more than that. We're supposed to eat more fruits and veggies and grains than we are supposed to eat meat.
@Bluebelle9289 "Nutrition-wise, humans shouldn't eat a lot of meat. The most we're supposed to eat is 3 ounces to 6 ounces. Most humans eat more than that. We're supposed to eat more fruits and veggies and grains than we are supposed to eat meat."
True
"I highly doubt you've met much less know Paul Watson."
True but he is fat. The Gladiators used to fatten up on a barley diet with little or no meat. It is possible to get fat on a high starch diet.
While chimps don't eat much meat, they are some of the most violent primates. It's a gruesome thing to see the aftermath of a chimp attack on one of their own kind - the face is literally destroyed, limbs are missing and the genitals have been ripped off. In some cases it's been observed that the chimps carrying out this attack take pleasure in it.
Also, I highly doubt that the plant-based part of a chimp diet is 95%. That sounds like an exaggeration. Their diet is mostly plants but it's probably a little lower than 95%.
@Bluebelle9289 actual % I haven't been able to find. However I was able to find that on average chimps eat 2,000 pounds of animal meat a year (a bit less for females) and they also eat a large quantity of insects like termites and ants. (a bit more for females)
"Females spend twice as much time eating insects as males do. Birds are occasionally eaten. Mammals such as monkeys, pigs and antelope are also eaten, particularly by males, but along with termites only account for about 5% of their diet."
@Bluebelle9289 The thing that bothers me is when fanatics try to change facts to fit their religious view of the world. All religions do it from time to time and to some degree, some more than others. Vegans are no different than any other.
That's why you get ignorant quotes like this:
"At the start, the human was a herbivore(when africa was greener), then we had to adapt by eating meat in adition."
Totally untrue but it makes Vegans feel somehow more "in tune with nature".
@Bluebelle9289 This was thoroughly documented for many years by Dr. Jane Goodall. Not only that, she documents what small amount of protein in the chimps' diet came from animal life was unnecessary, as they derived very little protein from it. She began to observe that the killing rituals (occasionally the victim would even be a baby chimp of their own which they would all devour) were more out of tradition, revenge, pleasure and anger than they were diet.
@Bluebelle9289 Good then they probably also indicated that other than insects, which are very seasonal and provided little to no protein in their diets, the animal actual flesh consumption was less than 2%. Of that 2%, observed Goodall, very little of it was ever swallowed, chimps would wrap it in leaves, chew on the leaves and spit out the flesh with the leaves. Perhaps even lower primates knew, as do many including scientists at the National Institute for Cancer, eating flesh causes disease.
Eating meat doesn't cause disease unless the meat is diseased, has parasites or is injected with chemicals and hormones. Do your research and get the full story first before you start showing your ignorance and distorting facts.
@Bluebelle9289 Not according to the National Institute of Cancer. If your're interested in your health, check out cancerDOTgov and search for HCAs and PAHs - carcinogens in meat (chicken, pork, fish, beef) formed when it's cooked over flame or in a skillet. The liver is unable to remove and they change the DNA in your body's cells, causing all sorts of disease. Scientists have proven that our risk of nearly every form of cancer decreases when we eliminate rotting flesh from our diet. Peace.
'It is not food, it is dead'. Then why the hell do Sharks, Lions, Cats, Dogs and Penguins eat meat? And don't give me the shitty evolved excuse because they already evolved.
Look this up on you tube see what our closest living relatives eat. PREDATORS Meat Eating Chimps. I choose deliciousness cajun gumbo. BBQ sauce. Yum Yum.
My point of view on this matter(just personal opinion btw)is that we're omnivores. On the other hand it doesn't mean people can't be vegan by any means and that you can't get everything you need from a plant based diet. You definitely can. Does it agree with everyone? Of course not. Does that mean you should eat meat because of this? Of course not. I'm not sure but, I think at some point down the line we were possibly herbivores, carnivores, omnivores... honestly,... I don't see why people hate.
@SaMyZeR Also, just to clarify. For lack of a better word than omnivore. I think humans are very adaptable. So, me at first saying I believe we're omnivores is just my way of saying we can adapt to any diet. There is a missing link between us and chimps. What did the missing link eat? I honestly think it doesn't matter. What matters is we can eat whatever we want we just have to be smart about it and eat healthy.
@kevinmichael AH, there's no missing link between us an the chimp, as the chimp is as evolved as we are, we just broke away from that line so many millions of years ago into our own genus. Those species ate what was available to them, sometimes more meat, sometimes more plants. The more northern climes probably ate much more meat. Really, it varies from person to person what is ideal to them. Balance it and have respect for whatever ends up on your plate.
@SaMyZeR very good video, I have actually got here while searching some video that shows how we are closest to chimps, and that they are omnivores, hence, by our nature, we are too. When I see those slaughterhouses, I really get to consider hunting your food as more human way to be omnivores (I like the bond Indians had with their kill). So, my point, animal rights activists are right about slaughterhouses, but vegans are wrong about human herbivorios nature. Thanks for effort and upload.
Isn't it strange that vegans CONSISTENTLY LIVE LONGER than Omnivorous populations?!?!? Seriously, the next time you meet a vegan who has a heart attack, (1 in 4.2 people you know will) think of this comment. Apart from our thumbs, human LOGIC is what helps us differ other species. We could argue that no other species drives cars, so by that logic, humans should not drive, humans should what is best for themselves, the earth, and the beings of this earth. It is simply our responsibility.
@calico992 So insted of living in are world we have now a vegan would rather live in the world in witch we have no to cures for disease and would have to fight for food just to eat . Plus humans were made to be omnivore just like apes . In fact humans are in fact smart chimps have you ever seen a chimp witch just eat meat? if you haven't then vegan human can just eat a little meat or fish and beside people would love to be able to not cure their family and live in huts made of grass and mud.
Heart Disease, Stroke, Cancer, According to census statistics 1999-2010 these are three of the four killers of AMERICANS. I want to ask you, have you ever known a Vegan who has had a heart attack, a stroke, gotten cancer, or had diabetes? Have you ever known a fat vegan? You talk about what is and is not natural. Seriously dude, is driving a car natural? These arguments could go back and forth all day. Incisors could be used to tear the husks off coconuts!
@calico992 Americans do consume alot of meat, to much to be good, and on top of that, they eat alot of fat (wich is a killer). Vegeterians, Vegans, Fruitivores, etc do LOOK at what they eat. If most people would look at what they ate, and think before they ate, their life would most likely be longer.
@SaMyZeR That sounds like an excuse. The fact is that if you cut out meat from your diet, you cut out by default an awful lot of cholesterol and fats. Most vegetarians do what they do for ethical reasons....(i know not all). The majority do it because they feel they don't need to indirectly slaughter animals for greed. Its an added bonus that its a healthier diet.
It may sound like an excuse, but not eating meat, results into the loss of your (idk the english word)"zenuwen", nerves acording to my translate machine. The required amount of meat is max. 50 to 100g a day, NOT more. (Most people eat to much).
"ethical reasons"
Then you better be a fruitarier, they do NOT eat anything wich made an animal die or suffer, or made a plant die or suffer. But you can be vegeterian because of ethical reasons, but....
... other people might have another opinion. Some people do not drive a car, because they see it as a murder machine.
And then you have the people who hate hate. Vegeterians who ate omnivores, and omnivores hating vegeterians. While it is just a choice. There is no law against being vegeterian or not. Sometimes vegeterians VS "meat" eaters reminds me of creationists against evolutionists. They start to argue, somtimes insult, and both still have the same opinion, but...
... they are pissed. So what did both achieve? Absolutely nothing, they did both lose. I myself considerd being a vegeterian, nevertheles, they did not allow it. Because if i dont pay attention to what i eat, i will have an unhealthy life. I wish more people cared what they eat.
It's funny, though. Herbivores are actually not true vegans, either, when you think about it. Most herbivores will eat insects and other incidental small lifeforms as they eat vegetation. Even a Rabbit will eat an infested head of lettuce over one that is not, for the extra nutrients.
@Joeykm1972 This doesn't help anyones argument though....vegetarian or not. This is irrelevant. We know that herbivores can eat meat, as farms throughout the world feed animal scraps to cows and they live. Humans eat a lot of meat, and live....but the cows and humans that don't directly eat meat....tend to survive longer and healthier lives.
@Computergeew Its curious how lots of "pro meat" people also seem to follow all the vegan/meat arguments around as well.
What am i trying to achieve? I am trying to help dispell the ridiculous myths levied against vegetarianism/veganism. I am passionate about this subject, and feel its an extremely important one. I don't go about arguing about trivial issues such as football or beer (even though i could!).
@CompassionateChap But I am not "pro-meat", im just an average person who isn't vegan, and eats meat, though also eats vegtables. Anyway, these "myths" can sometimes be true, nothing is perfect...
@Computergeew No, they are myths, and outdated ones which have long been proved as myths. The meat and dairy industry for decades have tried to claim that milk and meat are healthy, and that not eating them is unhealthy - these are myths.
@Computergeew Simply not true. Eating meat not only causes numerous diseases, but is also the source of food poisoning. Over 90% of food poisoning incidents, including salmonella, are down to meat or dairy.
@CompassionateChap Had you ever heard of "physical activities"? Probalby not. And food poisoning? Thats the company, not the meat. I dont feel like typing something long, since you seem to reject everything....
@Computergeew Physical activities? You mean exercise? Whilst its good to do, you can still suffer from diabetes, heart disease and cancers due to consuming animal protein, regardless of how much exercise you have.
Food poisoning seems to happen an AWFUL lot more with meat than plants.
@CompassionateChap Physical activities, since the indians go hunting, and that isn't counted as exercise. Learn that first, and probalby I would be willing to talk to you, as right now you deny everything, even the words "Physical Activities".
well put! i was harassed not to long ago by a vegan who told me i was wrong for eating the way i do. even after i told her that i respected her choice to be a vegan! i brought up all of these points about human biology to her when she claimed that eating meat causes cancer! how absured!
@SheepGo2Hell2 Meat can cause cancer. But NOT eating any meat, will result in dying muscles (after 5 years). To be healthy, you should eat 100 gram of meat a day.
@SaMyZeR A lack of protein in general can lead to dying muscles. Meat isn't ever necessary. There are plenty of professional athletes (NFL, MMA, body builders) that are strictly vegan and perform extremely well and have larger and much healthier muscles than most people. Bruce Lee was vegan :D ... But yeah everyone has a choice and should never under any circumstances be harassed.
We are Omnivores (used to be fruitatians). We adapted. So now we have the choice of eating meat. The difference between the age of Vegeterians and Meat-eating people is that Vegeterians, DO know what they eat. If people who eat meat would look at what they eat, they would live longer as well. But i like meat, and actualy need it to be healthy. I eat 50g a day.
According to whom? Seafood is meat but it is high in protein, packed full of omega 3's - which makes it anti-cancer and heart healthy - as well as minerals. The only thing you have to watch out for is the mercury content and, with shellfish, the cholesterol.
Also, Bruce Lee was not a vegan. Do some research before you start making false claims.
@Bluebelle9289 Meat isn't ever necessary according to those professional athletes who are strictly vegan, maybe. Oh and according to anyone who is strictly vegan. Protein and any mineral deficiency can be taken care of with supplements.
@Bluebelle9289 This seems like a rationalization to continue to torture animals for pleasure, but in case you're interested... Some facts: 1) you do not need to take protein supplements to eat healthy, all you need are the amino acids in fruits, veggies, nuts, beans and grains, look up Dr. Van Romer article "Do Cows Eat Elephants for Protein?" if you want to learn, 2) there are certainly non animal based and non animal-tested supplements of B12. I take a 100% vegan b12 everyday.
Meat does not cause cancer. The hormones and chemicals injected into the meat and dairy are what causes cancer. Another thing that will cause cancer is not getting proper nutrition. If you eat a balanced diet - whether you're omnivore or vegan - and you exercise and do other things, like not smoke and stay away from harmful chemical and so on, you can avoid cancer.
@SheepGo2Hell2 Yea, I have some female doing the same to me. Told me that eating meat is the leading cause of Diabetes and Cancer. I laughed my a$& off. The leading cause of Diabetes is High Fructose Corn Syrup that comes from a vegetable. I'm an omnivore myself.
I love it how aggressive vegans are. Like true predators :D
Teranex 2 weeks ago
@smashchamps77 You fail to realise that we are capable of eating meat, yet you call my info illogic and rediculous? Is your head really that far up your ass that you cant see the truth? Another thing, if humans are not able to eat meat, then how did it ever happen? By saying we evolved to eat meat is like saying a horse might one day chase down, kill and eat a cow or something. Your the one not making any scence. Then you add cattle are fed remains of other animals? Are you really that stupid?
gf3030 3 months ago
@smashchamps77 If you need even more info, if humans are not ment to eat meat, then why do we produce the acids in our stomach to break down meat, but not celulose found in plants? You can keep on going with your theory with we dont have the claws and the teeth like a carnivore and be able to eat meat raw bullshit. Again, thats bullshit because humans are not carnivores. We are omnivores. You cant deny reality. Vegans just make things up because they dont like killing animals. Thats all it is.
gf3030 3 months ago
@gf3030 You've gone off on a tangent. Did you not know that true herbivores like cattle are fed the remains of other cattle on factory farms? Did you not realize that even true carnivores like cats may eat grass? The statement that humans are omnivores because we are capable of eating meat is plain illogical.
Your "evidence" is very weak. Humans have little in common with an archetype omnivore; we are likely frugivorous. I tried to state this respectfully, but you're being ridiculous.
smashchamps77 3 months ago
@smashchamps77 Ok, your evidence is bullshit because you simply say humans are not ment to eat meat. But we do, how are we able to eat meat if we are not ment to? For example, would a horse eat another animal? Thats right, no because a horse is a herbivore. Now would a lion eat a carrot? Again, no because a lion is a carnivore. Humans are capable of eating both meaning we are omnivores. We simply would not eat meat if we were not designed to.
gf3030 3 months ago
@smashchamps77 Eskimos have shorter life spans because they dont have doctors like we do. Also, there is no evidence that cavemen ate mostly fruits.
If you want to get into the biology terms, there is nothing that rejects humans as being omnivores. You cant just say we are not because you dont like the fact that we kill for food. Were ever you get your information from, its bullshit.
gf3030 3 months ago
@gf3030 I think we can both agree to disagree. I never said that cavemen ate mostly fruits, nor do I think that it is appropriate for us to emulate an eskimo lifestyle. I've done my research, and quite frankIy I've found plenty which supports my anti-omnivore argument. I'm not just saying this because I "dont like the fact that we kill for food." After all, I could very well claim that your evidence is bullshit as well.
smashchamps77 3 months ago
@smashchamps77 "It is impossible for any human to live solely on meat"
That is bullshit. What about eskimos, indians? Meat is just about all they eat, and back in the old days, the cavemen.
gf3030 4 months ago
@gf3030 Eskimos live in extreme weather conditions, and they don't eat typical Western meats. Furthermore, their life-spans are shorter on average. As for cavemen, keep in mind that all our ancestors up to Homo erectus ate mostly fruits; it's doubtful that cavemen ate only meat.
It is futile to use eskimos and cavemen as a defense of our meat eating culture. Dietary classification is based on biology, and I can assure you that there is a preponderance of evidence which rejects human omnivorism.
smashchamps77 4 months ago
humans are carnivores.
we have a (small cecum), so we cannot digest as much fiber from plant food. So our diet should mostly consist of meat.
CBasie2856 4 months ago
baboons have canines, they are omnivores
no meat no brains
live0day 5 months ago
we are biologically omnivores because of how our teeth are shaped how ever we along with other omnivorous animals can and some do survive on souly on meat or veggies
TheMangetsuhozuki 6 months ago
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smashchamps77 4 months ago
@TheMangetsuhozuki Our teeth are not built for meat consumption. For one thing, there is no space between our teeth, therefore meat will get stuck there and rot (unless you brush). Furthermore, our teeth are flat and dull; our "canines" are only called as such, they are certainly not the same as the true canines of a carnivore, nor do they serve the same function.
It is impossible for any human to live solely on meat. If someones claims as such, most likely that person is on their deathbed.
smashchamps77 4 months ago
@TheMangetsuhozuki If u got the teeth, then go to nearest jungle and hunt some animal with ur teeth & enjoy eating it!
NasimATBird 3 months ago
@NasimATBird i have b4
TheMangetsuhozuki 3 months ago
A man generally treats other people to maintain an image, for politics, for profit, for pleasure and fear. It's hard to tell what he is up to when he treats other humans a certain way. You want to know 100% what a man is? His character and heart, his mind and spirit, his intelligence? Look at they way a man treats lower animals, you will get a deep sense of his soul and either the glory or potentially the sickness therein.
FathomlessJoy 6 months ago
@FathomlessJoy
Also I don't torture animals. I wouldn't hurt an animal at all, just because I eat meat doesn't mean I'm a psychopath. I'm eating it because it is perfectly normal, vegetables are no perfect either ass hole.
TurtwigValley 6 months ago
Probably the biggest delusion, at the most base level, to which flesh eaters cling is the idea of personal happiness. See, it seems fine on the surface: I am in a rich country, I got me some money, I eat whatever I want for pleasure, I don't care who gets hurt, I am happy. Right? Wrong! Why? There's no such thing as personal happiness, especially not derived from pleasure. How can you be happy in the scenario above if our water is sewage and our air is toxic? You can't! We share this planet!
FathomlessJoy 6 months ago
@FathomlessJoy
Chimps have protein because they exercise alot and it is just the way they are.
We don't have muscles like Chimpanzees, a chimp can tear our arms off. Even if we exercise alot we won't match them.
Also chimps do actually eat meat, mostly more vegetables though so they are technically omnivorous.
Why should you be so ashamed about eating meat when animals list: Lions, Tigers, Sharks, Crocodiles, Chimps, Dogs, Cats, Bears, Penguins and many other animals?
TurtwigValley 6 months ago
@TurtwigValley We have gone all over this. I am no more ashamed to eat meat than you are to stick your fingers in a light socket. It is not good for your health. It is not food. It is dead. It is rotting death. I eat and live healthily, and I do not torture animals nor pollute the planet to do it. Why does that threaten you so? Is it because I and millons of others (500 millon in India alone) prove every day that humans can have healthy lives without ingesting rotting flesh?
FathomlessJoy 6 months ago
@FathomlessJoy
The meat I eat mate is good for you, I eat mackerel and I have very little problems. I used to eat alot of vegetables back then but I started considerably getting ill so I have now cut down a little bit, I realized that balancing out my diet is more important then being a hypocritical veggie. Also grow up and stop being such a sissy pussy. You kill Polar bears by using electricity, your farmers who make your vegetables kill rabbits, insects and bugs. Grow up you stupid hypocrite.
TurtwigValley 6 months ago
@TurtwigValley We are going in circles. You torture animals for food. Good for you. Meat is poisonous, but you derive pleasure from it. Good for you. That is your concern. That you pollute our planet by doing it is my concern. That you are not concerned about that is a tragedy. So...how does one get another to see that they are destroying multiple peoples' lives with their selfish behavoir? Got any ideas? Or would you rather continue on the childish merry-go-round...weeeeeeee?
FathomlessJoy 6 months ago
@FathomlessJoy
Meat is not poisonous, that's the stupidest thing I've heard. You are selfish as well, if you want to be a true veggie cry baby. Get rid of all your elecrticity, get rid of your house and car and be an animal. Go and live with your little chimpanzee friends and shit around with them. You cry baby.
TurtwigValley 6 months ago
@FathomlessJoy
Are you stupid?
Lets do a food chain.
A Rabbit eats a poisonous vegetable, the toxins spread to it. The fox eats the rabbit and gets poisoned.
Where did the poison originally come from? The vegetable.
Meat isn't going to be poisonous unless the toxins spread to it from the vegetable.
TurtwigValley 6 months ago
@FathomlessJoy
"Or would you rather continue on the childish merry go round? weeeeeeeeeee?"
Are you 6 years old?
TurtwigValley 6 months ago
4 people are PETAtards who never had much of a education.
Trolovski 7 months ago
I just found another source that estimates 1500 pounds a year. So I guess it varies somewhat. That source didn't say % either even though it was very detailed.
rosepetal108 8 months ago
Humans are omnviores. Anyone who doesn't get that needs to read up on human evolution.
Bluebelle9289 8 months ago
Chimps rarely even eat meat though. 95% of their diet is fruit and plant, then the rest of the 5% is termites, and the mammals which you listed. Most of that 5% is termites. They really only eat approximately 1% of birds, pigs, and antelopes etc. So even if we are omnivores you cant use the chimp comparison seeing as how meat doesn't make up their primary diet.
DaseyFan 9 months ago
@DaseyFan
"So even if we are omnivores you cant use the chimp comparison seeing as how meat doesn't make up their primary diet."
Actually you can use the chimp comparison.
Nutrition-wise, humans shouldn't eat a lot of meat. The most we're supposed to eat is 3 ounces to 6 ounces. Most humans eat more than that. We're supposed to eat more fruits and veggies and grains than we are supposed to eat meat.
Bluebelle9289 8 months ago
@Bluebelle9289 "Nutrition-wise, humans shouldn't eat a lot of meat. The most we're supposed to eat is 3 ounces to 6 ounces. Most humans eat more than that. We're supposed to eat more fruits and veggies and grains than we are supposed to eat meat."
True
"I highly doubt you've met much less know Paul Watson."
True but he is fat. The Gladiators used to fatten up on a barley diet with little or no meat. It is possible to get fat on a high starch diet.
rosepetal108 8 months ago
@rosepetal108
Yes he is quite portly. I've been watching the new season of "Whale Wars" though and he looks like he's lost a little weight.
Bluebelle9289 8 months ago
@DaseyFan
While chimps don't eat much meat, they are some of the most violent primates. It's a gruesome thing to see the aftermath of a chimp attack on one of their own kind - the face is literally destroyed, limbs are missing and the genitals have been ripped off. In some cases it's been observed that the chimps carrying out this attack take pleasure in it.
Bluebelle9289 8 months ago
@DaseyFan
Also, I highly doubt that the plant-based part of a chimp diet is 95%. That sounds like an exaggeration. Their diet is mostly plants but it's probably a little lower than 95%.
Bluebelle9289 8 months ago
@Bluebelle9289 actual % I haven't been able to find. However I was able to find that on average chimps eat 2,000 pounds of animal meat a year (a bit less for females) and they also eat a large quantity of insects like termites and ants. (a bit more for females)
rosepetal108 8 months ago
@rosepetal108
And how is that compared to the amount of plants they eat a year?
Bluebelle9289 8 months ago
@Bluebelle9289 I have not found that statistic yet LOL seems strange but true
rosepetal108 8 months ago
@Bluebelle9289 OK found a source.
"Females spend twice as much time eating insects as males do. Birds are occasionally eaten. Mammals such as monkeys, pigs and antelope are also eaten, particularly by males, but along with termites only account for about 5% of their diet."
So it looks like DaseyFan was right after all.
rosepetal108 8 months ago
@rosepetal108
Indeed.
Bluebelle9289 8 months ago
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@Bluebelle9289 The thing that bothers me is when fanatics try to change facts to fit their religious view of the world. All religions do it from time to time and to some degree, some more than others. Vegans are no different than any other.
That's why you get ignorant quotes like this:
"At the start, the human was a herbivore(when africa was greener), then we had to adapt by eating meat in adition."
Totally untrue but it makes Vegans feel somehow more "in tune with nature".
rosepetal108 8 months ago
@Bluebelle9289 This was thoroughly documented for many years by Dr. Jane Goodall. Not only that, she documents what small amount of protein in the chimps' diet came from animal life was unnecessary, as they derived very little protein from it. She began to observe that the killing rituals (occasionally the victim would even be a baby chimp of their own which they would all devour) were more out of tradition, revenge, pleasure and anger than they were diet.
FathomlessJoy 6 months ago
@FathomlessJoy
Someone already answered the chimp question here on the thread. I'm also very familiar with Dr. Goodall's work and have a few of her books.
Bluebelle9289 6 months ago
@Bluebelle9289 Good then they probably also indicated that other than insects, which are very seasonal and provided little to no protein in their diets, the animal actual flesh consumption was less than 2%. Of that 2%, observed Goodall, very little of it was ever swallowed, chimps would wrap it in leaves, chew on the leaves and spit out the flesh with the leaves. Perhaps even lower primates knew, as do many including scientists at the National Institute for Cancer, eating flesh causes disease.
FathomlessJoy 6 months ago
@FathomlessJoy
Eating meat doesn't cause disease unless the meat is diseased, has parasites or is injected with chemicals and hormones. Do your research and get the full story first before you start showing your ignorance and distorting facts.
Bluebelle9289 6 months ago
@Bluebelle9289 Not according to the National Institute of Cancer. If your're interested in your health, check out cancerDOTgov and search for HCAs and PAHs - carcinogens in meat (chicken, pork, fish, beef) formed when it's cooked over flame or in a skillet. The liver is unable to remove and they change the DNA in your body's cells, causing all sorts of disease. Scientists have proven that our risk of nearly every form of cancer decreases when we eliminate rotting flesh from our diet. Peace.
FathomlessJoy 6 months ago
@FathomlessJoy
'It is not food, it is dead'. Then why the hell do Sharks, Lions, Cats, Dogs and Penguins eat meat? And don't give me the shitty evolved excuse because they already evolved.
TurtwigValley 6 months ago
@FathomlessJoy
Meat does not cause cancer, meat does cause heart problems which is true but causing cancer is the biggest heap of shit I've heard.
Eating too many vegetables can lead to bad teeth and over exposure of the pesticides in vegetables can lead to Alzheimer dissease
TurtwigValley 6 months ago
At the start, the human was a herbivore(when africa was greener), then we had to adapt by eating meat in adition.
Poodleinacan 9 months ago
answer: free choice havers
chiave1983 10 months ago
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Look this up on you tube see what our closest living relatives eat. PREDATORS Meat Eating Chimps. I choose deliciousness cajun gumbo. BBQ sauce. Yum Yum.
JeremyKilroy 1 year ago
My point of view on this matter(just personal opinion btw)is that we're omnivores. On the other hand it doesn't mean people can't be vegan by any means and that you can't get everything you need from a plant based diet. You definitely can. Does it agree with everyone? Of course not. Does that mean you should eat meat because of this? Of course not. I'm not sure but, I think at some point down the line we were possibly herbivores, carnivores, omnivores... honestly,... I don't see why people hate.
kevinmichael 1 year ago 2
@kevinmichael
Thats what i want to show everyone with this video actualy :)
SaMyZeR 1 year ago
@SaMyZeR Also, just to clarify. For lack of a better word than omnivore. I think humans are very adaptable. So, me at first saying I believe we're omnivores is just my way of saying we can adapt to any diet. There is a missing link between us and chimps. What did the missing link eat? I honestly think it doesn't matter. What matters is we can eat whatever we want we just have to be smart about it and eat healthy.
kevinmichael 1 year ago
@kevinmichael AH, there's no missing link between us an the chimp, as the chimp is as evolved as we are, we just broke away from that line so many millions of years ago into our own genus. Those species ate what was available to them, sometimes more meat, sometimes more plants. The more northern climes probably ate much more meat. Really, it varies from person to person what is ideal to them. Balance it and have respect for whatever ends up on your plate.
DarkMuu666 11 months ago
@SaMyZeR very good video, I have actually got here while searching some video that shows how we are closest to chimps, and that they are omnivores, hence, by our nature, we are too. When I see those slaughterhouses, I really get to consider hunting your food as more human way to be omnivores (I like the bond Indians had with their kill). So, my point, animal rights activists are right about slaughterhouses, but vegans are wrong about human herbivorios nature. Thanks for effort and upload.
derokojohn 3 months ago
Isn't it strange that vegans CONSISTENTLY LIVE LONGER than Omnivorous populations?!?!? Seriously, the next time you meet a vegan who has a heart attack, (1 in 4.2 people you know will) think of this comment. Apart from our thumbs, human LOGIC is what helps us differ other species. We could argue that no other species drives cars, so by that logic, humans should not drive, humans should what is best for themselves, the earth, and the beings of this earth. It is simply our responsibility.
calico992 1 year ago
@calico992 So insted of living in are world we have now a vegan would rather live in the world in witch we have no to cures for disease and would have to fight for food just to eat . Plus humans were made to be omnivore just like apes . In fact humans are in fact smart chimps have you ever seen a chimp witch just eat meat? if you haven't then vegan human can just eat a little meat or fish and beside people would love to be able to not cure their family and live in huts made of grass and mud.
jimexmore 1 year ago
Heart Disease, Stroke, Cancer, According to census statistics 1999-2010 these are three of the four killers of AMERICANS. I want to ask you, have you ever known a Vegan who has had a heart attack, a stroke, gotten cancer, or had diabetes? Have you ever known a fat vegan? You talk about what is and is not natural. Seriously dude, is driving a car natural? These arguments could go back and forth all day. Incisors could be used to tear the husks off coconuts!
calico992 1 year ago
@calico992 Americans do consume alot of meat, to much to be good, and on top of that, they eat alot of fat (wich is a killer). Vegeterians, Vegans, Fruitivores, etc do LOOK at what they eat. If most people would look at what they ate, and think before they ate, their life would most likely be longer.
SaMyZeR 1 year ago
@SaMyZeR That sounds like an excuse. The fact is that if you cut out meat from your diet, you cut out by default an awful lot of cholesterol and fats. Most vegetarians do what they do for ethical reasons....(i know not all). The majority do it because they feel they don't need to indirectly slaughter animals for greed. Its an added bonus that its a healthier diet.
CompassionateChap 1 year ago
@CompassionateChap
It may sound like an excuse, but not eating meat, results into the loss of your (idk the english word)"zenuwen", nerves acording to my translate machine. The required amount of meat is max. 50 to 100g a day, NOT more. (Most people eat to much).
"ethical reasons"
Then you better be a fruitarier, they do NOT eat anything wich made an animal die or suffer, or made a plant die or suffer. But you can be vegeterian because of ethical reasons, but....
SaMyZeR 1 year ago
@CompassionateChap
... other people might have another opinion. Some people do not drive a car, because they see it as a murder machine.
And then you have the people who hate hate. Vegeterians who ate omnivores, and omnivores hating vegeterians. While it is just a choice. There is no law against being vegeterian or not. Sometimes vegeterians VS "meat" eaters reminds me of creationists against evolutionists. They start to argue, somtimes insult, and both still have the same opinion, but...
SaMyZeR 1 year ago
@CompassionateChap
... they are pissed. So what did both achieve? Absolutely nothing, they did both lose. I myself considerd being a vegeterian, nevertheles, they did not allow it. Because if i dont pay attention to what i eat, i will have an unhealthy life. I wish more people cared what they eat.
1. Whats inside the food?
2. Is it healthy? Am i supposed to eat this?
3. IF its an animal, did it get treated well?
SaMyZeR 1 year ago
@calico992
"have you ever known a Vegan who has had a heart attack, a stroke, gotten cancer, or had diabetes?"
Have you?
"Have you ever known a fat vegan?"
Have you?
Bluebelle9289 8 months ago
@Bluebelle9289 ===>""Have you ever known a fat vegan?""
Paul Watson?
rosepetal108 8 months ago
@rosepetal108
I highly doubt you've met much less know Paul Watson.
Bluebelle9289 8 months ago
It's funny, though. Herbivores are actually not true vegans, either, when you think about it. Most herbivores will eat insects and other incidental small lifeforms as they eat vegetation. Even a Rabbit will eat an infested head of lettuce over one that is not, for the extra nutrients.
Joeykm1972 1 year ago
@Joeykm1972 This doesn't help anyones argument though....vegetarian or not. This is irrelevant. We know that herbivores can eat meat, as farms throughout the world feed animal scraps to cows and they live. Humans eat a lot of meat, and live....but the cows and humans that don't directly eat meat....tend to survive longer and healthier lives.
CompassionateChap 1 year ago
@CompassionateChap Your on every vegan vs meat video, commenting against meat eaters. What are you trying to achieve?
Computergeew 1 year ago
@Computergeew Its curious how lots of "pro meat" people also seem to follow all the vegan/meat arguments around as well.
What am i trying to achieve? I am trying to help dispell the ridiculous myths levied against vegetarianism/veganism. I am passionate about this subject, and feel its an extremely important one. I don't go about arguing about trivial issues such as football or beer (even though i could!).
CompassionateChap 1 year ago
@CompassionateChap But I am not "pro-meat", im just an average person who isn't vegan, and eats meat, though also eats vegtables. Anyway, these "myths" can sometimes be true, nothing is perfect...
Computergeew 1 year ago
@Computergeew No, they are myths, and outdated ones which have long been proved as myths. The meat and dairy industry for decades have tried to claim that milk and meat are healthy, and that not eating them is unhealthy - these are myths.
CompassionateChap 1 year ago
@CompassionateChap Not eating them is not unhealthy, but eating them is more better than just eating vegtables alone....
Computergeew 1 year ago
@Computergeew Simply not true. Eating meat not only causes numerous diseases, but is also the source of food poisoning. Over 90% of food poisoning incidents, including salmonella, are down to meat or dairy.
CompassionateChap 1 year ago
@CompassionateChap Had you ever heard of "physical activities"? Probalby not. And food poisoning? Thats the company, not the meat. I dont feel like typing something long, since you seem to reject everything....
Computergeew 1 year ago
@Computergeew Physical activities? You mean exercise? Whilst its good to do, you can still suffer from diabetes, heart disease and cancers due to consuming animal protein, regardless of how much exercise you have.
Food poisoning seems to happen an AWFUL lot more with meat than plants.
CompassionateChap 1 year ago
@CompassionateChap Physical activities, since the indians go hunting, and that isn't counted as exercise. Learn that first, and probalby I would be willing to talk to you, as right now you deny everything, even the words "Physical Activities".
Computergeew 1 year ago
@CompassionateChap And all of what you just said, is not true.
Computergeew 1 year ago
@CompassionateChap
"This doesn't help anyones argument though"
According to whom?
Bluebelle9289 8 months ago
normally omnivore, but im most likely a carnivore, no im not a cannibal
tigurius555 1 year ago
well put! i was harassed not to long ago by a vegan who told me i was wrong for eating the way i do. even after i told her that i respected her choice to be a vegan! i brought up all of these points about human biology to her when she claimed that eating meat causes cancer! how absured!
SheepGo2Hell2 1 year ago
@SheepGo2Hell2 Meat can cause cancer. But NOT eating any meat, will result in dying muscles (after 5 years). To be healthy, you should eat 100 gram of meat a day.
Ofcourse, we all have a choice.
SaMyZeR 1 year ago
@SaMyZeR why does that happen samyzer?.
Ursulocrow 1 year ago
@SaMyZeR A lack of protein in general can lead to dying muscles. Meat isn't ever necessary. There are plenty of professional athletes (NFL, MMA, body builders) that are strictly vegan and perform extremely well and have larger and much healthier muscles than most people. Bruce Lee was vegan :D ... But yeah everyone has a choice and should never under any circumstances be harassed.
DANisduhMAN 1 year ago
@DANisduhMAN
We are Omnivores (used to be fruitatians). We adapted. So now we have the choice of eating meat. The difference between the age of Vegeterians and Meat-eating people is that Vegeterians, DO know what they eat. If people who eat meat would look at what they eat, they would live longer as well. But i like meat, and actualy need it to be healthy. I eat 50g a day.
SaMyZeR 1 year ago
@DANisduhMAN
"Meat isn't ever necessary."
According to whom? Seafood is meat but it is high in protein, packed full of omega 3's - which makes it anti-cancer and heart healthy - as well as minerals. The only thing you have to watch out for is the mercury content and, with shellfish, the cholesterol.
Also, Bruce Lee was not a vegan. Do some research before you start making false claims.
Bluebelle9289 8 months ago
@Bluebelle9289 Meat isn't ever necessary according to those professional athletes who are strictly vegan, maybe. Oh and according to anyone who is strictly vegan. Protein and any mineral deficiency can be taken care of with supplements.
DANisduhMAN 6 months ago
@DANisduhMAN
If you take supplements - which are most likely probably tested on animals - then you're not vegan.
Bluebelle9289 6 months ago
@Bluebelle9289 This seems like a rationalization to continue to torture animals for pleasure, but in case you're interested... Some facts: 1) you do not need to take protein supplements to eat healthy, all you need are the amino acids in fruits, veggies, nuts, beans and grains, look up Dr. Van Romer article "Do Cows Eat Elephants for Protein?" if you want to learn, 2) there are certainly non animal based and non animal-tested supplements of B12. I take a 100% vegan b12 everyday.
FathomlessJoy 6 months ago
@FathomlessJoy
1. Eating too many vegetables can be bad for your teeth.
2. You are being hypocritical about torture because you torture polar bears by using electricity.
3. Vegetables have pesticides, over exposure of these have a chance of killing you and a good chance of causing Alzheimers disease.
4. You are a complete moron.
TurtwigValley 6 months ago
@SaMyZeR
"Meat can cause cancer."
Evidence to back that up?
Bluebelle9289 8 months ago
@SaMyZeR
Meat does not cause cancer. The hormones and chemicals injected into the meat and dairy are what causes cancer. Another thing that will cause cancer is not getting proper nutrition. If you eat a balanced diet - whether you're omnivore or vegan - and you exercise and do other things, like not smoke and stay away from harmful chemical and so on, you can avoid cancer.
Bluebelle9289 6 months ago
@SheepGo2Hell2 Ya she needs help so do pritty much all vegans
gary77777778888888 1 year ago
@SheepGo2Hell2 Yea, I have some female doing the same to me. Told me that eating meat is the leading cause of Diabetes and Cancer. I laughed my a$& off. The leading cause of Diabetes is High Fructose Corn Syrup that comes from a vegetable. I'm an omnivore myself.
southboy99 1 year ago
im an omnivore
awesomniss 1 year ago