David Bohm

[quidproquo2004]

I wish I could have met Dr. Bohm.

[JG129]

Seemed like such a gentleman , Would loved to have discussed the world with him !

[vijayanand875]

@dschager I think I agree with you, but the human thousands of year human raised up by to feel longing for something that we can't explain, I think we need spiritual science, because the questions will never end It could be anything, what we know is from our scientist small circle of our planets but what is happening outside the universe?

[ModernPlague]

I've read that Krishnamurti was a real hypocrite-----even having an affair with a married woman (and i think she might have been married to a friend of his!----not sure, I'll have to look it up again).

But I've read that was one of the reasons for David Bohm's disillusionment/depression; this "spiritual master" he'd trusted for years turned out to be a selfish, rude jerk (apparently he'd always talk down condescendingly to Bohm) who couldn't live up to his own talk.

That would be depressing!

[JG129]

@ModernPlague I've watched their talks they did a few times and I enjoyed them ( Mainly when Bohm is talking) But you're right because whenever bohm responds to Krishnamurti you can tell that he is somewhat fearful and nervous around him. Which makes me quite sad to think a pure genius such as Bohm would let a so called Spiritual guru talk down to him.

[tomasviola7]

@JG129 Krishnamurti was exactly the opposite to a "spiritual guru" and bohm understood that very well, if you really listen to Krishnamurti without prejudice you'll see that's very clear. Precisely because Bohm is a genius you should not underestimate his sincere admiration to K

[quidproquo2004]

I've been very slowly reading through "Wholeness and the Implicate Order" and I'm already wondering how many physicists understand what he meant.

What I've enjoyed most about his book so far is the implied philosophy "United we stand, divided we fall."

[Zee96969696]

somehow I get the feeling that this guy is very smart, but the way he talks is a little weird, it's as if he's listening and enjoying a really good nice song but at the same time thinking really well and explaining something, and never stops talking, but never loses focus of what he wants to say, he gotto lose that smile and talk without smiling, looks like he's on drugs or something

[quidproquo2004]

@Zee96969696 He lost the smile 18 years ago.

[SteveDutchy]

david bohm + krishnamurti = GOLD

[Awhiffofsuspicion]

mm, wholeness or incompleteness, wonderfully succinct Mr Bohm...

[HurricaneHeidi]

Elegant, rational, and consciously connected.

[gennaro8gattuso]

I wonder how David Bohm understood everything about thought and the "me" and how it runs your life and wrote a book about it, called "Thought as a System", but still he wasn't able to dissolve it in himself.

He is said to have suffered from depression during his life and he was also depressed before he died, and it seems to me that he wasn't at ease with himself, as interviews show.

So how come he wasn't able to deal with it in himself? Was it because he only understood it intellectually?

[swarup26]

As Bohm himself makes clear in Thought as a System, having an insight into Thought is not as easily come by for anybody...this is due to the very nature of the process itself which acts very rapidly and traps one into well worn patterns in the very act of considering it- that Bohm was unable to deal with it in himself does not in any way discredit what he had to say about the nature of Thought which is still quite relevant for all interested people.

[fntime]

@swarup26 interesting point. Have you a suggestion

how to avoid 'traps of well worn patterns?'

Thank you!

[swarup26]

There is no ready made answer. Bohm makes clear in his book that the system of Thought is so all encompassing and pervasive that any effort to avoid such traps will only lead to further entrapment. He suggests that some kind of insight is necessary although he himself does not claim that he knew what the real nature of that insight may be....

[khmerraps]

@fntime that's the wrong question. there are traps. you can't avoid them. especially if you are the trap. so there are traps. now, when you get trapped, just remember that you're the trap and then you'll be free. but to avoid the trap is to avoid the problem and essentially avoid yourself. you're as dynamic as can be and it's always been that way. so then i think the question is how to approach the trap.

[phobosx12]

to come to a fuller understanding of oneself....

[phobosx12]

well alan watts said "to understand something intellectually is to see it all the way through" now im not sure that this is entirely true but in academia this seems to be the general consensus, and I can see how David Bohm could have been depressed if he was a beleiver in such a view because then he might suffer from the "I understand too much" syndrome, which is a very terrifying feeling indeed. in my experience with Bohm it seems not unlikely that he could have thought that way..quite a genius

[ModernPlague]

@gennaro8gattuso

Probably a simple imbalance in brain chemistry. Some people's brains easily produce the right balance of chemicals to make the person feel happy; but with something as complicated as a brain, and especially the brains of creative people, things can get out of whack.

It's no moral or spiritual failing on Bohm's part----it's more akin to having diabetes, or epilepsy, etc. You can't *will* your pancreas to make insulin, nor can you will your mind to feel happy.

[KevinLowe123]

The thing people never take for granted is that as someones knowledge increases the perception of that cannot be explained through dialogue. So evidently we just get more distance aslong as we understand we are smarter than the rest. Bohm just tapped into how large the difference was between people ''acting'' compared to himself. I also think he just saw the deeper meaning behind was funny - which would be the control factor.

[reivenlocke]

Dr. Bohm always wanted to seem to laugh every time he would explain anything. I wonder why that was.

[alanstarkie2001]

He reminds me of Kurt Vonnegut - he spoke in the same kind of way.

[superfunnyman123]

this stuff makes my head hurt

[DDMazerolle]

Thank you.

[MrM0j0Risin666]

EPR experiment & 'spooky' action at a distance:-

Subject to as many revisions as required what I'm thinking now is that as far as the electrons are concerned, one is a reflection of the other. However, unlike with a looking glass they have an independent existence in a mirror universe. If you can take the spin out or some other polarisation characteristics then it might be possible to obtain a space warp.

[REAL88E]

for what purpose?

[MrM0j0Risin666]

My take on fragmentation in the physical world is that it may apply by analogy to personality fragmentation too. However I am referring to personality on a scale that one is normally unconscious to.

[MrM0j0Risin666]

So I've got hold of a copy of "Wholeness and the implicate order" from my local library at the second attempt. I've been reading bits of it and now I've read Chapter 7 (the last) in almost its entirety. It is not mysticism after all at least for the most part. I'm interested by the way he want to remove space & time out of the equation altogether as this is something of a radical step to take.

[MrM0j0Risin666]

However, the reason is down to the basic incompatibility of quantum mechanics with relativity and the need for a 3rd theory. It has to be said that no solid propositions about a new theory ever arise as speculation takes over from physical fact. That is not however the same as mysticism, for example a statement such as: the knowable universe(s) is only as complex to the extent that consciousness is evolved.

[MrM0j0Risin666]

If you are subject to expansion of consciousness, albeit for a brief time, then it may well be that the personality is as a more cohesive whole. However, nowhere in that experience does the consciousness of any other individual play a part - I'm referring to other people. The possibility of differentiated forms of consciousness aiding & abetting such states remains an open one, but I would tentatively propose such occurrences as real.

[MrM0j0Risin666]

I've read a decent synopsis of "Wholeness and the implicate order" and based on that I agree you can accuse him of mysticism. What is disappointing is the lack of foundation in quantum mechanics or other scientific grounds for a proposed cosmology. The connections are unclear. Maybe I'll revise my view later on as I might try to obtain a copy.

[neiloneil]

Scientifically clever chap, but sounds slightly anthropomorphic with it.

= mysticism?

[SonOfFreedom]

Check out Abraham-Hicks?

[salvadorsalvona]

he called his first son hydrogen and his daughter smart...

[arifhkhan]

I and ma fren pratik have been bloging in deeper to knw "who am I" 4 last 2 years..

And we have been also reached to this conclution that "your thought is your way"..it is just not 2 years but we have been feeling d same since long and 2 years back our implict orders gathered us to eternal way to know "who am i"..

And Sir David markable reach to depth of thought will help us in many wayz.. N will help us to move further...

Finaly hats of 2 u..

[santiagueri]

Hermoso conocimiento, muchas gracias !

[AlphaSigma10]

bohm made (among others, such as Karl Jung)the connection between science and spirit/consciousness, guiding science onto the right (unifying) track; science has since indeed since grown a good deal,(particularly quantum mechanics), in "unfolding" (as bohm sais)the core essence of what runs the universe, which is (the eternal and unified)Mind Consciousness; he achieved this by being true to himself and resisting fear/denial, peer pressure and other related obsticles; what a bright light he was

[IntentionalDreams]

David Bohm made some fascinating points, and I feel that if we are to truly understand what this universe is about, we would do well to consider what he said.

[dschager]

I have a feeling - and I say feeling I am not stating anything - without being very familiar with Bohm, that he might be longing for solving some question of of his own being, some lacking or sadness in himself with his science here.. And that is not something science can do.

[Ohgimmeabreakwillya]

I've just finished "Wholeness and the implicate order",a true masterpiece. Finally someone that pushes forward the frontiers of Physics...reductionists will be strongly deluded after reading this book though,as much as their religious counterparts when they engage any scientific dibate.

[Michkuty]

Hmm quite interesting, i'll spend some more time researching this

[physics1philosophy]

Hi Everyone,

This is a great video, as Bohm makes clear that the discrete and separate particle conception of matter is incomplete and deceptive (which causes humanity many problems).

At the start he says;

"you may think of this wave as coming from outside, from the universe, which converges to a point and then diverges again" ...

This is exactly right, search on the 'Wave Structure of Matter' (WSM) for more information - it explains a lot of things very simply and sensibly.

Geoff Haselhurst

[mountainmystic9]

I just love this man.

[Harpakhrad11]

Bohm's example of nations is true,but what clear-headed person could think otherwise. Nations are, after all, legal fictions.

[umamac8]

i accidentally discovered "wholeness and the implicate order" and haven t been the same since....what an enlightening book...i carried it around all through college...gave me great hope to know the mind could produce such a serene work.

thank you mr bohm

[dan020350]

interesting, but yet we people are still fragmented. Description can be a thousand, and useless but good to observe if one has not heard it yet

[jeshualovesme]

I Love Love Love This Man!

[letsif]

What this world needs is more people like David Bohm, humanitarian, spiritual- feeling intellectual, mystical appreciator, original thinker.

[homeborn]

poor chap

[artmanack]

Go and enjoy his dialogues with Krishnamurti..what Bhom says here about how nations fragment and try to behave independantly whin in fact they are in relationship and are dependant on each other finds voice in his dialogues with krishnamurti..I am over simplifying but go and take a peek!

[trevcaru]

This man is the most intelligent man i have ever came across. He was so ahead of his time, its sick. I think maybe he was not so popular only because there arent many intelligent minds> im not talking smart minds, theres plenty of those. But he was smart and intelligent at the same time! fukin amazing to me. DSGL, i recomend reading 'wholeness and the implicate order', a book he wrote.

[patternsinchaos]

Agreed. The way he describes what's happening is with highly uncommon insight.

[DSGL]

The folding and unfolding can surely be related to the modes we observe strings taking in string theory?

[dswex]

David Bohm is my hero. thanks for posting this!

[laotsu3]

if you like bohm look up J. Krishnamurti. great vid. any more?

[indulf]

Bohm believes there is life and consciousness in all matter. New evolutionary developments do not happen in a random fashion.

[dylanotto]

Sounds more like psychosis than science.

[panickingjuggler]

or perhaps science;/understanding/observa­tion can help us understand more about "psychosis" as an experience of consciousness rather than an "illness" to be medicated.... in terms of the pharmaceuticals we have at the moment at least. not sure how you meant your comment. wether it was derogatory or not.

[patternsinchaos]

David Bohm is considered by most of his contemporaries to by one of the greatest scientist's of his generation. There are two Quantum effects named after him, and what he's saying in this video is a bridge between science, cognition, and spirituality. A genius. A jewel. An exceptionally rare intellect.... And you study... what... pot roast? lol

[Psyanide0395]

Yes. Loving it. Thanks for the vid.

[craig18cass]

He seems quite anxious.

[panickingjuggler]

he always does, it's quite strange.

[jerpag]

very rare vid of prof david bohm has anyone any more to share thanks i love this site

[cototomiguel]

WHOWW, Bigs ideas, i'd end it, just like in 'What the bleep do we Know?': Ponder that for a while!